
On this episode of The Nikki & Brie Show, the twins sit down with their longtime friend and fellow women’s wrestling trailblazer—Saraya! From Total Divas days to headlining pay-per-views, they reflect on the wild ride of the women’s division and what it really means to see WWE Evolution finally return. While Saraya won't be in the ring this time around, her impact is undeniable—and the stories they share? Iconic. They dive into Saraya’s new era—from launching her podcast Rule Breakers (which Nikki loves!) to writing her raw and honest memoir Hell in Boots, and fully embracing single life happiness for the first time in almost a decade. There’s laughter, love, and plenty of behind-the-scenes tea from their most memorable matches and why Total Divas 2.0 needs to happen (but in their grown-woman eras). Plus, the three of them keep it real about rule breaking in a hilarious round of Break It, Keep It, Bend It and wrap with a powerful Inspiration Affirmation on protecting your peace a...
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Nikki Bella
What up everyone? Welcome back to another episode of the Nikki and Bri show. And we wanted to save this interview for last as we've been on the road to evolution. As you all know, we've been talking a lot about evolution, which is this Sunday, July 13th. So make sure to get your tickets in Atlanta. And this is someone who really was a part so much of the evolution with Brie and I and women's wrestling. She's a trailblazer and a voice that can't be silenced. She made history in WWE as the youngest divas champion and the first ever NXT Women's champion. She returned to the ring in aw, capturing the women's world title in front of her home crowd. And now an author and podcast host. She continues to inspire by living boldly and breaking every rule in the book. So everyone please welcome the one and only Saraya. Hey girl.
Saraya
I've missed you so much.
Nikki Bella
It's too long. How are things, by the way?
Saraya
It's so good. You know, I was just having this conversation about, like, 30 minutes ago. It's like, I finally found, like, true happiness. And that makes me so glad because, you know, before, where you feel like you're happy, you know, and I'm like, no, this is the happiest ever been. Like, no, this year has just been so amazing for my mental health and just the way I live my life. I'm just like, man, like, this is the happiest I've ever been. So, yeah, I'm. I'm in a good space. Oh, my gosh.
Natalya
I love that.
Nikki Bella
Your podcast is like, you have to tell us about your podcast, because I've been watching clips of it, and it's just. I love it. You can tell you're in your element in it. Like, you're. You're so good at it.
Saraya
Thank you. Yeah. Dude. Oh, my gosh. So, you know, you guys are a success in the podcast space. You know, other buddies of mine are in a success, but I'm like, okay, well, I don't want to be, like, a copy and paste of the Nicki and Brie show, right? And I don't want to be a copy and paste of someone else's show. So I'm just like, okay, I have to figure out something that kind of makes me just a little bit different to make me stand out just a little bit, you know, because it's hard. This space is so hard to be a success, which congratulations to you guys, because it's so difficult, you know? And so, you know, I love Jackass. I love being a prankster. You know, I love that kind of stuff. Always. I've always been, like, always.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
So I'm like, you know, I want to incorporate kind of my personality into this a little bit. So I was like, why don't we just have fun segments to kind of finish off the show? And that's just to, like, kind of torture the guests a little bit in a fun way. Like, I go easy on the people that don't want to be tortured too hard, obviously. But, yeah, we do a lot of fun segments. You know, people are going to get tattooed, people are going to get zapped, people are going to eat something crazy. Gross. You know, it's just something like that, you know, And I do. It's been so fun, but, you know, it's so tiring. You guys understand more than anybody how tiring this space is. Like, to make sure you get the guests in and then, like, you know, have these long conversations with them and keep the flow going and all that kind of stuff. I didn't realize just how difficult it was until I, like, stepped foot into this world. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I have, like, this newfound respect for, like, everybody that does it. It's. But it's so fun. But I love it, so I wouldn't change it. But my go a lot of work.
Natalya
Oh, for sure. Nikki and I say it every week. We're like, you know, it's so fun. And at times, like, I guess people can think it's easy, but they're like, they don't get to see the behind the scenes part of how much goes into it.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Natalya
So it is exhausting. But congratulations to you because you were just in the top. What is it? Top 50.
Saraya
Yeah. Yeah. In the comedy space. And we've been around now for, like, a couple of months, which is great because, as you know, there's so many podcasts out there, so, like, to just keep cracking, like, you know, the. We were in the top hundred on the first week, like the week before, and then we jumped to, like, 50. And I was like, we're just moving so quickly and rapidly, which is wonderful. Means we're doing something right. But we constantly, like, you know, the behind the scenes stuff of it, we're just like, okay, like, what are we doing right? What are we doing wrong? It's like a lot of work. I was like, oh, my gosh. That's why I have the whole team in. In my house right now, like, doing research and stuff for me. There's a lot that goes into it. I was like, oh, my gosh.
Nikki Bella
Oh, my gosh. I love that. And who's been your favorite guest you've had on so far?
Saraya
Oh, my gosh. Let's see. Actually, I just spoke to this lady today. Her name is Mackenzie, and she's an older lady and she's a comedian. She's not the most known guest I've had on, but I just found her so inspiring, so I'm really excited for people to get to know her. Also, I haven't released it yet, but Gigi Dolan, who used to be Priscilla Kelly in the wwe, you guys, she has one of the most beautiful stories I've ever come across. The whole team was crying. I just can't wait for people to, like, get to know her on a more deeper level. I was just like, thanks for trusting me with your story. But I was like, oh, my gosh. You just broke my heart. The Stuff that she's gone through. And then a funnier episode, I would say, is Brad Williams. You know how funny he can be. He's like. He's such a goof. Yeah. I've loved him all, but those are the ones that stood out for me.
Nikki Bella
I love that. And, you know, before we get into, like, evolution and wrestling, I also want to talk about your memoir, because you. I mean, this has been such a big year for you, Saraya. Like, what made you want to write your memoir? And how has that been since it's been out?
Saraya
Yeah. So, you know, when I. Me and WWE first parted ways, you know, I was like. I was freaking out. I was like, what the hell am I gonna do with my life? You know? Like, wrestling is all I've known. WWE is where I grew up. So that's all I've known since I was 18 years old. And now I'm like, I don't. I'm not with them anymore. And then I didn't have AEW at the time, too. So then, you know, Meech, you know, he's. He was like, well, why don't you take this moment to, like, start writing the book that you've been wanting to do for a long time? And then with that, you know, you don't have companies that are kind of trying to take a percentage of it or whatever it is or be involved in it too much, you know? So I was like, okay, this gives me the freedom to really write what I want to write. And so, like, yeah, I start to do that, and within a couple of weeks, WWE called me, and then aw called me. So I was just like. So then it took me a long time to, like, get it, you know, out there for the world. It took over two years. And you guys, again, understand it because you both wrote a book, too, and it was just. It was beautiful. I have it. And so it just is a lot of work that goes into it. And then I had a ghost writer in the beginning, and bless her heart, I love Bernadette so much. She's amazing, wonderful human being, but it's just the way she wrote it. It was like, it didn't sound like me at all. And then it just made me sound like I was at the cost of Annie in a way. I was like, oh, no, that's not how I sound at all. And then she'd be making up stories, and I was like, we don't need that. We have enough trauma in the book. We don't have to spice it up with just some random Fighting people that. Still alive, by the way, that I see on a weekly basis. I'm like, you know, and so we kind of took that and, like, me and my friend Taylor, who did all the typing for me because I'm useless with typing, but she. She helped me, and we. We rewrote the whole book, and it took a year to do that, too, and then the audio and all that kind of stuff. But it was a. A long process, but I'm so thankful I got it done. It's such a weird feeling, though, right? Like, I feel like our generation, we come from, like, a place where we don't really open up about our feelings to people, you know, where we're just like. We kind of. We don't talk about past traumas or whatever. We just get up, brush ourselves off, and continue.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
So having that moment where you're pretty much releasing your diary to the world is like the most intimidating, scary experience of your life, but you're so grateful that you did it.
Brie Bella
Totally.
Natalya
I felt like when we were reading our book, it was like we were going through therapy again.
Saraya
Yes.
Natalya
Crying. I'm like, going through stuff. Wanted to hide in a room. I'm like, yes, exactly.
Saraya
I was like, oh, there was a one, you know, chapter, and it was about my childhood abuse, which I never spoke about with anybody. And, like, having to write that with Bernadette, which I was crying my eyes out to, then rewrite it again and cry my eyes out. And then doing the audio where you have to read it, and I was like, this is so hard to get through. It's like. It's a lot. It's like therapy, though.
Nikki Bella
Oh, my gosh. So hard. That's how I would feel when we would get another draft. And I'm like, no, I don't want to read this stuff again. I. I've already lived it, read it, and been in therapy for it. Like, I'm. I can't keep doing this. I.
Natalya
Total divas, too.
Saraya
Remember?
Natalya
We'd all have to, like, relive scenes. I would be like, oh, gosh.
Nikki Bella
And Sere has had a movie, too, on her family, so she's really just continues to keep living a lot, you know?
Saraya
Yeah, yeah. Just have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. But yeah, it's like, it's. It's worth it afterwards. But, oh, my gosh, it is a lot. Especially with tall divas, too. That was so exhausting. I had the best time.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
You know, with that. I wish we could re. Not redo it, but I wish we could have, like, another season to see where we all are now.
Nikki Bella
Yes.
Natalya
You know, no, I. I agree. I mean, everyone wants it. And all the girls who were part of Total Divas all want to reboot it. I think it'd be.
Nikki Bella
Yeah, I think it would be huge.
Saraya
Yeah. 100, right?
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So what were your thoughts when you saw them announce that they're going to be bringing back Evolution?
Saraya
Oh, my gosh. You know, it's kind of bittersweet because obviously I'm not there anymore. But then the first one that I did, I couldn't be a part of it because of my neck, but I could do commentary and stuff like that. So I was like, man, I keep missing out on all these, like, big things that are happening for female wrestlers. And I feel like us three, that really helped kind of usher in, you know, I always say it was us, okay? I don't care what people say. We lit the match for them. People to come onto the main roster and be able to do amazing things, right?
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
But we were grinding behind the scenes on the camera. I mean, we worked our asses off to make women's wrestling the way it is today. And then that's not. And that's not discrediting anybody else, right? Because when these ladies came up on the road, they delivered whatever they were given and whatever opportunities they had, they delivered. But they got to go straight into doing that, you know, which is like, I'm so a little bit, you know, jealous of. Because I couldn't do it because of my neck. You know, I couldn't showcase, you know, all the hard work that we just put in. So it can be, like, you know, a little frustrating. But I'm so happy. I'm. I'm kind of annoyed that it took them so long to bring it back. I was like, that's been years now. Like, why have we not done more, you know, more of that? Because I know the girls now, they steal the show every pay per view, in my opinion. And that's not being biased because of my gender. I just feel like they just steal the show. That every female wrestler right now is so incredible, and they all have their own, like, character, you know? Like, they just. It's so special. So I'm just like, damn. Like, I'm so happy that they're finally bringing it back again. And I'm so happy that there's so many freaking female wrestlers that are gonna go on there and absolutely smash it. But there was a part of me being like, man, yeah, I do wish I could be a part of it sometimes, you know?
Nikki Bella
I know. Well, one day I. I was really hoping that. And still I'm hoping. I mean, who knows, that maybe we will get a page surprise appearance. But I definitely think in the future, Evolution will for sure. They like you. Are you, like you said you were a part of that, like a main foundation and fixture in that. And so I think that at one point in the future, it'll only make sense to have you in all of us.
Saraya
Yeah.
Natalya
And hopefully they make it a staple that it's in pay per view every year so that they can have fun with it. I mean, the Last one was 2018. That's crazy. We're 20, 25.
Nikki Bella
Right.
Saraya
Seven years ago. That's bonkers. We could have had. We could have been doing this reoccurring thing every year, which, again, super grateful that the girls are getting the opportunity to do it. But I'm like, man, if only we could have done it, like, every single year, you know?
Nikki Bella
Totally. We need Saray. We need to go back and make our magic happen in that ring.
Saraya
I know. I was just talking about you, Nikki, because they always said, like, who was like, your favorite opponent or whatever. And because we were married to each other for so long.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
Like, we were constantly wrestling, dude. Like, even if it was on live events, if it was on, like, the pre shows main events or whatever, or the. When we got taken off of Mania and we did our Mania match on, like, main event or whatever, it was, you know, we were. We were like married to each other to the point where we went into that ring and we didn't have to plan anything. We were just like, okay, like, we'll do this, whatever, you know, this is the finish. And then we're. It was so easy, and it was always so easy and just never.
Natalya
Right.
Saraya
Stressful. Yeah. And so I always love. Just like, I always say that to people, and everyone got mad at me at one point. They were like, what about aj? And I'm like, you don't understand. I love aj. I loved our storyline. Right.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
But I was with you for so much longer. You know, we had, like, the Bellas against. Against me for a long, long time, you know?
Nikki Bella
Right.
Saraya
Like, it's just different. It's different.
Nikki Bella
I agree. It's. You're just. That's how it is with some people in the industry. Like, Brie and Becky always made magic happen, and those two had their little special thing always when they were. But it. You and I, it was always fun and easy and we brought out the. Each other and our characters.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
And that's like, when it's like, really cool. It's like, yeah, you'll work with some people who are, like, super over and you're close with and you're like, oh, wow, amazing. But it's just different. The Chemistry is different, you know, with people.
Saraya
It is. And we always. We always wanted to, like, like I said, bring the best out in each other. And like, I was. We were never. There was never any push, pull about how the match should go. It's just like, okay, like we. I want to get your in. Like, you know, you'd be like, okay, I'm going over. Let's make you shine a little bit extra today. Or vice versa. You know, it was like. There was never any selfishness there. It was just so. It was so easy, dude.
Nikki Bella
I know.
Saraya
I missed 36. I missed that era, honestly.
Nikki Bella
Me too.
Saraya
It was so fun.
Nikki Bella
It was so fun. That's like. I kind of want to bring, like, those feels back as I return. Just more of like that storytelling where we could get caddy or have fun, like what women can do, what, like, men can't. Because I thought that was always fun with women wrestlers. Like, you can have a badass match, but then the stories we get to tell with it can be like, really catty and fun and. Yeah, part of being a woman, that makes it, like, you know, magical.
Saraya
Makes us different too, you know, I. I love that as well. I love that. I actually recently just watched a match, actually with Bri. Remember when we had that match and then Kane came out of the canvas? I was just watching that recently. I was like, oh, my God, that was such match. It was. Yeah, it was.
Natalya
It was time.
Saraya
I missed that era, too.
Nikki Bella
That was so fun. Oh, my gosh. That's what we got to bring it back. Well, I've said, like, I just see, especially with some of us with the total divas of, like, when you see the success of. And just like that with Sex in the City. Like, so we're all doing so many different things now in our new eras of life. Yeah, that would be so cool to bring it all back together with all of us. It would just be a lot of fun and I think it would be a huge success as well, for sure.
Saraya
100, you know, 100 divas reunion. Let's go.
Nikki Bella
Yeah, let's do it. And even if not, then let's just all meet in Napa or LA and just do our own. Damn. Yes.
Saraya
Yes.
Nikki Bella
We need it. We need. It's been fun, like, being around Natty again more because we'll always keep in touch, like in text. But when it's, you know, Natty in person, there's just nothing like it.
Saraya
So much.
Nikki Bella
I mean, between her and Trin, like, I'm just like, they make me feel like we were all doing what we were doing yesterday. I'm like, they haven't changed. Like, it's the same. It's. It's so fun.
Natalya
So speaking of, like, a new era, how is single life been?
Saraya
Oh, my God, yes. So I love it. I've actually. I was texting Nikki about it earlier this year, you know, because you're both going through, like, similar things and. Oh, my gosh, I really love it. I really do. I, like, because I wasn't single really, for over, like, a decade, you know, because I went from one boyfriend to the other, and I was like, damn. Like this, this year. And I think that is what brought me so much happiness, too. It's just like, I just don't. I don't want to go on dates. Like, I've had guys hit me up, like, constantly, right? Which is nice, you know, like, oh, you feel kind of special, but, like, I haven't, you know, felt any connection to the point where I want to go on a date, you know? Yeah, I have. I was, like, talking. I mean, I still am. I'm talking to, like, this one guy who's always. He's so nice to me and he treats me so well, but I can't really pull that trigger to, like, want to be in a relationship or anything like that, you know, I'm just like, I'm not ready for it. I love being single. I love having my own spa. I love, like, doing whatever I want, you know, because you don't have to worry about someone being like, you know, wanted to take some of your space and your energy. I'm like, oh, no. Like, I don't have to worry. Worry about that anymore. So it's really lovely, and I feel so happy. I think this is the best. I think, really, truly, that is the catalyst of what makes me the most happiest.
Nikki Bella
I love that. And I so agree with you about the space and energy. It's like, I feel the same. I don't want, like, I only want Tayta in that space, and I don't want anyone else in it. I'm, like, so peaceful and happy and zen, and I'm like, I don't need anyone else. Like. Like, I want to give him my energy, myself, my energy, and that's it. I don't need to share. I don't want it.
Saraya
Yeah, you don't. That's the thing. You don't have to. And that's. Oh, my God, it's so magical, dude. Like, I love waking up in the morning. I love going out There with my tea laying with my animals outside, just taking in like this, the sunrise and stuff. I just think it's so magical and like, just. I'm a grump in the morning too. Like I need time to like fully wake up. So I love that I don't have someone next to me just annoying the shit out of me. As soon as I wake up in the morning, I'm like, ah, don't talk to me. You know, I just, I love that space. I love like, and you, you now have a choice of who gets to be in your energy too, you know. And so like I, my circle is very small. Like not a lot of people get to come to my house. Not a lot of people get to have my energy at all. And like, I decided this year I was going to be more selfish like that because I just gave so much of my energy to people that it kind of like it made me miserable. So yeah, I'm just. It's so much better, isn't it? Gosh, it feels so good. I love it.
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Saraya
Well, you guys, I've always said this to you about how you guys inspire me so much, you know, and you guys have always done that. Like, since I came up on the main roster, you've kind of always kind of took me under your wings, you know, and just kind of helped me, like a little pale Bella over here, you know, and. Right. You've just always been so great to me and always been, like, so supportive, and if something's going down, you guys will, like, text me or whatever is, you know. But you. You've just always been so amazing, and you do inspire me. Like, you guys wrote the book. You guys doing podcasts and stuff like that. And I'm inspired by you guys because you're just. I mean, you're fucking badass women. And that's the most inspiring thing about you guys, is that you. You've gone through hell and back through, but, like, separately and together, you know, and you're still coming out the other side, killing it, which I'm so jealous of you, Bri, actually, because you got to host the X Games. And I was like, oh, my God, that's like a dream. I. How cool is that, dude?
Natalya
Yeah, it was unreal. Like, I was telling Selma. I'm like, don't think I'm a groupie or anything, because I was getting so worked up seeing so many of the legends. I'm like, oh, my God.
Saraya
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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All of them, even the retired ones. I'm like, they still look so damn good.
Natalya
I'm like, yes. But also, I think it's all of us, you know, I know they don't call it extreme sports anymore. It's action sports. But for all of us, like, being pro wrestlers, what we do is extreme, and so are all of them. So I feel like it's kind of the same feeling like When I watch them, even though they're crazy risk takers, it's unreal, but blows my mind. Just like watching them, I'm like.
Nikki Bella
You know what?
Saraya
I feel like the perfect host for it.
Nikki Bella
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Natalya
It was.
Nikki Bella
Crushed it. You know what I like about those men, though, in that industry is they're kind of like us. They stay super youthful and like young at heart. Like, they can be such badass career men and the women too. But I'm just saying, because, you know, single ladies right here. But then they just have this thing about them where they have edge and they, they're like a free spirit. And I'm very drawn to that. Like, I, I love that kind of like when you could go like, like be badass in business, but then you still have that free spirit. Young at heart. Edge to you. Like, edge is everything to me. You have to have some edge to you. I'm like, oh.
Natalya
Yeah, yeah. The X Games are fun because even the music, they're blasting the whole day, like with Com. It's like fun music. It's like all these people like the vibe. Like they're just cool ass people. It's like, yeah, okay, fine.
Nikki Bella
We'll all go to the Winter X Games. We'll all be there in Aspen. Yeah, let's just do it.
Saraya
Yeah, sign me up.
Nikki Bella
You know what I mean?
Natalya
Oh, yeah, they do London now too.
Nikki Bella
So, I mean, hey, I'm willing to hit all the countries.
Saraya
Yeah, we have. We'll find on them.
Nikki Bella
Let's go find a bunch of different flavors. I'm definitely down. So I say we play a game. You guys good for a game?
Natalya
Let's do it again.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
Okay. It's called Break It, Keep it or Bend It. That could be taken as so many things.
Saraya
Right now.
Natalya
The men, I'm kind of.
Nikki Bella
All right, Rhea. Well, it's time for a game we call Break It, Keep it or Bend It. We'll throw out some spicy social situations and you tell us if you're breaking it, if you're keeping it, or if you're bending it.
Saraya
Okay. Okay.
Nikki Bella
So, you know, this is all about the rules because everything with you is about breaking rules or so.
Saraya
Yes.
Nikki Bella
So rule number one, always dress for the occasion.
Saraya
Oh, yeah. Keep. Is it keeping?
Nikki Bella
Yeah, keeping. So breaking. Keeping or bending?
Saraya
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would, I would, I would keep that dress for the occasion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, actually, I might put a little spin on it though, because, you know.
Natalya
I felt, I feel like you're a bender in that.
Saraya
Yeah, bender. I would say Bender. Yeah.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. You definitely. That was my first thought, too. Rule number two, never hook up on the first date. Can I just break that for you? What is that?
Natalya
I was like, if you guys are at X Games, I think that would have been broken.
Saraya
Okay.
Nikki Bella
This is my thing. Yeah. Bend. I. I would break it because I'm too damn old to be doing a second and a third. Like, that's wasting time in life. So, like, I would rather hook up and get it over with, knowing, like, if this is gonna continue.
Saraya
Continue.
Nikki Bella
You know what I mean? That's. I'm with you. Right?
Saraya
I'm with you. Yeah.
Nikki Bella
It's like, if it sucks, I'd rather just next Netflix and chill the next time than, like, go get wind and dine.
Natalya
For sure.
Saraya
Exactly.
Nikki Bella
Right.
Saraya
Exactly. Take a walk and then bend me over. All right.
Nikki Bella
Rule number three, don't mix business with personal.
Saraya
Oh, you know, I've done that before, and it's never been good.
Natalya
Yeah, I agree.
Saraya
I mean, it's never again. Yeah.
Nikki Bella
But you know what's hard about it? Because I know they say, like, what is it? Don't where you sleep. Is that the same where you eat? Oh, don't eat. Yeah. But the one thing, though, too, what's hard is I feel like at work is when you really get to know people well and their chemistry builds and connection. That's what I felt like. It's been hard nowadays is meeting people quick, and then they're like, oh, are you gonna go on a date with him? And I'm like, well, I feel like I don't really know this person. Like, I don't know.
Saraya
It's weird.
Nikki Bella
It's hard.
Natalya
It's hard.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
In the industry that we're in, it is really hard. Like, you can't help sometimes with all the time that you spend with someone to, like, grow feelings for them, you know?
Nikki Bella
Totally.
Saraya
So it's kind of tricky. I've done it. We've all done it.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
And then some. And happily, like, Bri, over here. Honestly, for me, sometimes it doesn't. So that's a hard one. Would that be a bend where you're just a bend?
Nikki Bella
Yeah, we'd bend it. Okay.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
You need to be a morning person to be successful. No, no, Yeah, I agree. Because night owls succeed, too. I mean.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
The way the world is now, man. Filter your posts. Keep it curated.
Saraya
No, I don't think so. Yeah, I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nikki Bella
I'm like. Because honestly, there are times when lighting's just not right. I'm gonna do A little touch up. And then also sometimes I'm gonna keep it raw. Like, so bend that. Do what you feel.
Saraya
Is that what it means?
Nikki Bella
Right or no? Am I wrong on that?
Saraya
I thought it meant. No, I didn't know what I thought meant. Like, be careful about what you post.
Nikki Bella
Oh, is that what it is?
Saraya
Shoot, I could be wrong because I'll edit my pictures. I edit every single one. I don't go crazy with it. But that.
Nikki Bella
Maybe that's what you might. Yeah, you might be right. Yeah, you should go 30 days, no contact after a breakup.
Natalya
You know, like being alone.
Saraya
Like in. Huh?
Natalya
Like being alone for 30 days.
Nikki Bella
No, like, don't talk to the person like that just broke up with you or you broke up with.
Natalya
Oh, yeah.
Nikki Bella
I mean, sadly, I'd bend it, but.
Saraya
Yeah, and so did I for a little bit. But then now it's like no contact whatsoever, which is the best thing that could happen.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
So it's like. Yeah, we bet. I feel like it's been. Because sometimes you can't help it, and you get in a routine with someone that you're with for a very long time.
Nikki Bella
Totally.
Saraya
You know, and you have to figure out how to break that, and then eventually you do, but it's always good when you don't talk to them.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. So true. Hey, everyone.
Brie Bella
If you've been listening to the show the past few weeks, you've all heard us talking about the. The Airbnb Original experience we hosted at our speakeasy tasting room. Bonita Bonita. And let me tell you, we had so much fun.
Nikki Bella
Oh, my goodness. So much fun. So, okay, we all were at, as Bri said, the Bonita Bonita tasting room. Speak Easy. And it was so fun because everyone who was a part of the Airbnb Original Experience group started in a private tasting room with Brie and I. Well, of course, we greeted everyone with some champagne, but it was really fun because we all sat into the tasting together and we just chatted. We tasted Bonita Bonita. And then, of course, our next special treat that made it so original and such a fun experience was Brie and I recorded an episode of the Nikki and Brie show live for all of them, which, if you haven't seen on YouTube, you can see it on YouTube. So literally, Bri and I are just doing a normal episode, but we have them set up beautifully right in front of us. And of course, we kept the Bonita Bonita pouring. And you know what I really love about it is if you go, go listen or watch that episode. You get to hear all the laughs and you just realize, like, how interactive it is. And it was just so much fun. I. It felt like a live show for one. I agree. But it was just such a great time to connect with people.
Brie Bella
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Nikki Bella
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Saraya
Rule.
Nikki Bella
Number seven, take the high road every time.
Saraya
Not with me. I've got a lot better at taking the high road. I have, especially this year. But I never used to be. I used to always snap back and you know. Yeah, I guess bend, but.
Nikki Bella
But that's what I've always loved about you. You're so freaking honest.
Natalya
Like you just speak your mind problem sometimes.
Saraya
Yeah.
Natalya
But then sometimes it's so. Yeah, it's like you respect yourself so much that you stand up for yourself. And I.
Saraya
Exactly. I love it.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. I was. We were just talking about this recently with Tren that time before our match on Monday Night Raw and Bri and Eva getting into it. And then like when you got involved, remember we're all at the table. I was like, oh, yes.
Saraya
Oh, my God. Well, I was like, don't be coming upright.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
You know, I did feel kind of bad because there was a lot of us teaming up, you know.
Nikki Bella
Mad.
Natalya
I had very valid reasons. I love you. I love Eva. But I was like, you two, you got. You and Nikki were about to have a two segment match that should have been a Wrestlemania match, right?
Nikki Bella
Well, Bri, we ain't gonna get back into it. Let's not get you all fired up.
Saraya
She's getting hype about it now.
Nikki Bella
She's like, she did send you such a nice text about X Games, which was so. I know.
Natalya
I love Eva. Like, I. I would love to see her soon.
Saraya
Soon.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. We all need to.
Saraya
At that point. She was in trouble.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. Exactly.
Natalya
Like, she got it. She knew.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. Never wear white to a wedding.
Saraya
Ooh. Oh. You know, I do agree with that. And this is a dress code.
Nikki Bella
Yes.
Saraya
And they said, like, everyone has to wear white. I do agree with not wearing white at someone's wedding.
Nikki Bella
100.
Natalya
I've seen people wear white to people's weddings. And I'm like, you know, the damn bride wears white. Like, what are you doing?
Nikki Bella
I feel the same.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
It's so weird. Yeah. You don't do that any other color.
Natalya
And there's a ton of colors.
Nikki Bella
To me, that's such a narcissist move. Like.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
Right.
Natalya
100.
Nikki Bella
Okay.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
Two more. Rule number nine. Don't air out your feelings online.
Natalya
I don't know.
Saraya
I would say. I would say bend on that one because sometimes I've done that in the past too. So if I say anything different, it's kind of hypocritical. So I'd say it just depends what it is. There's some things that should be left behind closed doors. You know, you don't have to tell everybody your business.
Natalya
Right.
Saraya
But if sometimes you slip up and you do it, I'm not going to hold it against you because I've done it, you know.
Nikki Bella
Right. I. I agree with you. 100.
Natalya
That need to be cleared up.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
The.
Nikki Bella
The best way to air out your feelings online is to. To sleep that night and think about it and then go. Air out. Don't ever do it in the moment because.
Saraya
Exactly. Yeah.
Nikki Bella
That's just. Yeah. Last one. Leave the past in the past.
Saraya
Yeah, I think so. I think so. I mean. Yes. I think so. Yeah. Leave it in the past, you know? Yeah. Especially this year. I've been always like, just concentrate on what's ahead rather than what's behind me.
Natalya
Great.
Nikki Bella
Which is so good.
Saraya
Yeah. Yeah. Trying. Trying. It gets a little tricky, though.
Nikki Bella
Oh, yeah, it does.
Saraya
Yeah.
Nikki Bella
I feel you. Oh, yeah.
Saraya
Try and leave the past in the past as much as I can. Yes.
Nikki Bella
I like. I like that. I. I heart. I heart that one too. Of keeping that as much as you can. Well, Saray, before we let you go, we always love to end our episodes with a little bit of Inspiration, affirmation, What do you want to leave us with?
Saraya
So I've always. Which this kind of applies to you guys and why I've always kind of of gravitated to you guys is there's, there's this one quote, and it says, don't listen to people. And this is, this applies to social media, everything, right? And it says, don't listen to people that try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that. But the real greats make you think that you, too, can become great. And so I only surround myself with people who uplift me and want me to do good, because a lot of people on this world. World, right. They want you to do good, but not better than them.
Natalya
Right.
Saraya
And so I live by this quote because I'm like, I'm not going to surround myself with people that belittle what I want to do in my life or, you know, whether that be personal, business or otherwise.
Natalya
Right?
Saraya
And so that was like, one of the most important things. And you guys were a big part of that. And I feel like I may have told you that quote years ago, too, because again, that applies to you guys because you've always just uplifted me and always, like, encouraged me to do wonderful things, you know, and help me achieve wonderful things. Things. So, yeah, like, you guys are real greats because, you know, you do the same thing for the women's division or outside and in business in general, you always want everybody to succeed. And that's so important.
Nikki Bella
Thank you. And I love. I so agree with you on that. It's so true. It's like, I totally live by that. Like, what you do, you should constantly empower, motivate people to. And bring them up with you. And also that brings in a lot of incredible karma into your life. Like, karma is a real thing. And that's like, yeah. And those are the rewards you get, the ones that are intangible that you have all of a sudden these blessings come into your life. And that's like when people say spread kindness or all these things, it's all in those things of, there's enough success for everyone in the world. If everyone wanted to be successful, there's actually enough and.
Saraya
Exactly.
Nikki Bella
Yeah. And I get so blown away by people who think like, like that it has to just be them or they want to shut people out. It's like, no, everyone here can succeed so beautifully. And I never understood the people who wanted to keep people down or didn't want, you know, to bring them up. And so I, I love that. Yeah, I live that.
Saraya
Like the face of that kind of quote, you know? So just want you to know. But yeah.
Nikki Bella
I love you guys so much.
Natalya
I love you.
Nikki Bella
We really need to get together in person.
Saraya
Yes. Yes, please, Please. I would love that. Anytime you guys come down to LA or wherever, you guys, if we end up in the same state, that would be amazing.
Nikki Bella
Yeah.
Saraya
Yeah, Whenever you want. Yeah, we.
Nikki Bella
Will you be in New York, like, around SummerSlam? Are you gonna be around doing anything or, like, maybe I'll.
Saraya
I'll check. Maybe I'll. I'll make it happen just so I can come hang out with you.
Nikki Bella
Yeah, that'd be fun. The city is always a fun excuse, you know what I mean?
Saraya
Summer Slam is always around my birthday, so we'll have to. Yeah.
Nikki Bella
And there'll be so many people like your girls there. You know what I mean?
Saraya
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Nikki Bella
Do you still keep in touch with Naya?
Saraya
Yeah, actually, she only just commented on my stuff today, but, yeah, like, I haven't spoken to her in a hot minute. I've been really busy. But I will text her. She'll text me randomly. You know, those are kind of the best friendships where you don't have to speak to each other every day. Totally check in, like, every couple of months of being like, how's everything going? And then it's like, you don't miss a beat, you know?
Nikki Bella
Oh, I agree. That's our sister wrestlers.
Natalya
I feel like we always pick up where we left off.
Saraya
Yes, exactly. Exactly.
Nikki Bella
I agree. All right, everyone, make sure to check out Sera's podcast, Rule Breakers. Where can we check that out? Anywhere you listen to podcast.
Saraya
Anywhere, anywhere. And then the visual is on YouTube.
Nikki Bella
Okay, awesome. Make sure to check out the YouTube and then also make sure to check out her book, Helen Boots, that you can buy anywhere that books are offered. And where else can we check you out? At Saraya?
Saraya
Just go on to my social media. So it's a surrey across the board on Instagram X and Tick Tock. Just Soraya. That's it.
Nikki Bella
I love that. And also make sure to look for videos on the Nikki and Brie Show, IG page, Tick Tock, Facebook, and the Nicki and Brie show is also on SiriusXM Stars109, YouTube. And of course, again, call us at 833 Garcia 2 and goodness, you're taking us right into evolution. So I hope everyone is tuning in to the ple. WWE Evolution, which you could check out on Peacock and I think Netflix. I need to double check that.
Saraya
Have a good show there. You kill it. Well, you're always gonna kill it, but hopefully you win.
Nikki Bella
Me too.
Saraya
You're gonna win. Yeah. All right.
Nikki Bella
Awesome. Until next time.
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Podcast Summary: The Nikki & Brie Show – "Saraya: Breaking Rules & Finding Joy"
Release Date: July 10, 2025
In the episode titled "Saraya: Breaking Rules & Finding Joy," hosts Nikki and Brie Garcia from The Nikki & Brie Show welcome special guest Saraya—a trailblazing former WWE superstar, author, and podcast host. This episode delves deep into Saraya's journey of personal evolution, her ventures beyond the wrestling ring, and her pursuit of happiness and fulfillment.
Nikki Bella opens the conversation by introducing Saraya, highlighting her monumental achievements in WWE as the youngest Divas Champion and the first-ever NXT Women's Champion. Nikki emphasizes Saraya's influence in women's wrestling and her transition to becoming an author and podcast host.
Notable Quote:
Nikki Bella: “She made history in WWE as the youngest divas champion and the first ever NXT Women's champion.” ([02:10])
Saraya shares insights into her podcast, "Rule Breakers," discussing the unique elements that set it apart from others in the crowded podcast space. She explains her desire to infuse her personality into the show through fun segments that challenge and entertain guests. Saraya acknowledges the hard work behind producing a successful podcast, drawing parallels to the demanding nature of podcasting with the show's hosts.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “I have to figure out something that kind of makes me just a little bit different to make me stand out just a little bit.” ([03:58])
The conversation shifts to Saraya’s memoir, "Helen Boots." She recounts the emotional and challenging process of writing about her personal traumas, including childhood abuse. Initially assisted by a ghostwriter, Saraya felt disconnected from the narrative and took the bold step to rewrite the memoir with a trusted friend to ensure her authentic voice was heard.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “Having to write that with Bernadette, which I was crying my eyes out to, then rewrite it again and cry my eyes out.” ([09:54])
Saraya reminisces about her time on Total Divas, expressing a desire for a reunion or reboot of the series. She reflects on the evolution of women's wrestling, acknowledging the advancements and the remarkable performances of current female wrestlers. Saraya expresses both happiness for the progress and a hint of jealousy for not being able to participate due to her neck injury.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “I'm so happy that they're finally bringing it back again. And I'm so happy that there's so many freaking female wrestlers that are gonna go on there and absolutely smash it.” ([14:21])
Transitioning to her personal life, Saraya discusses the joy and fulfillment she finds in singlehood. She highlights the importance of maintaining personal space, managing her energy, and surrounding herself with uplifting individuals. Saraya shares her contentment with not seeking relationships, emphasizing the peace and happiness it brings her.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “I love having my own spa. I love, like, doing whatever I want, you know, because you don't have to worry about someone being like, you know, wanted to take some of your space and your energy.” ([20:34])
Adding a playful twist to the episode, the hosts engage in a game titled "Break It, Keep It, or Bend It." They present various social rules, and each participant decides whether to break, keep, or bend them, often infusing humor and personal anecdotes into their responses. This segment not only entertains but also offers listeners relatable insights into navigating social norms.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “The best way to air out your feelings online is to sleep that night and think about it and then go. Air out.” ([38:48])
As the episode nears its end, Saraya imparts a powerful message about surrounding oneself with supportive and uplifting individuals. She shares a favorite quote emphasizing the importance of ignoring those who belittle ambitions and seeking out those who inspire greatness. Nikki and Brie echo this sentiment, discussing the significance of spreading kindness and empowering others.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “Don't listen to people that try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that. But the real greats make you think that you, too, can become great.” ([39:48])
The episode concludes with promotional segments where Saraya encourages listeners to check out her podcast and memoir. The hosts share information on where to find Saraya’s work and promote their own platforms, fostering a sense of community and continued engagement.
Notable Quote:
Saraya: “So make sure to check out Sera's podcast, Rule Breakers. Anywhere you listen to podcast.” ([43:25])
This episode of The Nikki & Brie Show offers a heartfelt and insightful conversation with Saraya, blending personal anecdotes with motivational messages. Listeners are left inspired by Saraya’s journey of breaking rules to find genuine joy and fulfillment in her life.