What does it actually mean to love—not just in theory, but in real life?

In this episode, Fr. Michael Trummer is joined by Fr. Christopher Trummer and Mike Nolan for a deep, honest conversation on love (charity) as the greatest theological virtue. Moving beyond clichés and sentimentality, they explore why love is both a gift of grace and something we must actively cooperate with—and why knowing about love is very different from actually living it.

The conversation touches on:

Why love is the only virtue that endures into heaven
How love is fulfilled not by doing more, but by delighting in the other
The difference between Christian love and merely “being nice”
Why loving difficult people is essential for spiritual growth
How unhealed wounds and failure to receive love make loving others so hard
The relationship between agape (self-giving love) and eros (delight and desire)
Why heaven is not a glorified vacation—but perfect communion

This episode challenges listeners to examine whether their love is rooted in busyness, duty, and performance—or in real communion, hope, and grace. It’s a practical, demanding, and deeply hopeful vision of love as preparation for heaven and participation in God’s own life.

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00:00 Introduction to Theological Virtues

00:58 The Paradox of Love and Grace

02:07 Love in the Context of Faith and Hope

03:38 The Uniqueness of Christian Love

08:21 Love as Preparation for Heaven

12:09 The Role of Emotions in Love

22:43 The Challenge of Loving Difficult People

25:55 Integrating Agape and Eros

41:35 Understanding Self-Agreement and Interior Brokenness

42:26 The Difficulty of Receiving Love

42:48 The Trinity and the Nature of Love

44:05 The Impact of Being Loved

44:43 The Heart Magnifies What It Receives

47:36 The Role of Security in Love

48:41 Experiencing True Friendship and Love

54:48 The Importance of Hope in Love

59:19 Patience and the Unveiling of Love

01:06:36 The Impossible Vocation of Love

01:11:55 The Necessity of Gentleness in Love

01:17:04 Closing Thoughts and Prayer