Roundup: Trump Vs. The Fed; Harvard Fights Back

Summary

The NPR Politics Podcast - Episode Summary: "Roundup: Trump Vs. The Fed; Harvard Fights Back"

Release Date: April 18, 2025

In this episode of The NPR Politics Podcast, hosts Ashley Lopez, Danielle Kurtzleben, and Domenico Montanaro delve into two major developments shaping the political and economic landscape: President Donald Trump's ongoing tariff strategies and his administration's escalating confrontation with elite educational institutions, notably Harvard University.

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Trump’s Tariff Policies and Conflict with the Federal Reserve

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of President Trump's persistent push for tariffs, particularly targeting goods from China. Danielle Kurtzleben explains the recent shake-up in tariff exclusions:

Danielle Kurtzleben [02:50]: "The White House came out and clarified that goods now excluded from tariffs are still subject to a 20% tariff on Chinese goods. We are still going to start the process of putting tariffs on semiconductors again from all these overseas markets, as well as pharmaceuticals and critical minerals."

This move has introduced significant uncertainty into the markets. Domenico Montanaro highlights the economic repercussions:

Domenico Montanaro [03:54]: "What it means is higher prices in the short term, which is what the Fed Chairman, Jerome Powell, said is highly likely this week."

The conversation shifts to the friction between Trump and Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. Trump’s public dissatisfaction with Powell’s cautious approach to monetary policy has intensified, sparking speculation about the potential termination of Powell. Ashley Lopez probes into the constitutional ramifications:

Ashley Lopez [06:31]: "Can Trump just up and fire Powell if he wants to? Like, what are the sort of mechanisms available to him here to deal with Powell if he wants to?"

Domenico references the 1935 Supreme Court precedent, Humphreys Executor v. United States, suggesting that any attempt to dismiss Powell without cause may lead to a constitutional showdown:

Domenico Montanaro [06:31]: "Trump is likely to test this at the Supreme Court... That's not generally the spirit of what we're thinking about when we're thinking about what Trump wants, which is control."

Danielle adds that the current Supreme Court majority may be receptive to limiting presidential power over independent agencies, though the outcome remains uncertain:

Danielle Kurtzleben [07:03]: "Existing precedent does seem to be on Powell's side here, but who knows exactly how the Supreme Court would rule."

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Harvard University’s Battle with the Trump Administration

Transitioning from economic policy to education, the hosts examine the Trump administration's aggressive stance against higher education, focusing on Harvard University. Alyssa Nadworny provides a detailed account of the conflict:

Alyssa Nadworny [10:09]: "This stems from a civil rights investigation from the Education Department looking into anti-Semitism... Harvard was given a list of demands to reinstate $2.2 billion in federal funding, which they refused."

These demands include overseeing academic departments more tightly, reducing the autonomy of students and faculty, and reporting misconduct by international students to federal authorities. Harvard's refusal has led to the freezing of substantial research grants, impacting vital studies in health and science:

Alyssa Nadworny [11:01]: "Some of the money went to things like studying ALS, new vaccines for tuberculosis... Harvard Medical School said that this is going to lead to them having to cut jobs and lay people off."

Domenico discusses the broader implications of this confrontation, noting Trump's willingness to leverage the IRS against opponents, a tactic previously criticized by conservatives when used against liberals:

Domenico Montanaro [11:32]: "Trump has shown that he's willing to use the IRS against his enemies... Here we are on the other side of it with it explicitly being done."

Harvard stands out among universities for its decision to fight back, unlike others such as Columbia University, which have opted not to resist the administration's demands. This resistance is partly due to Harvard's prominent status and substantial endowment, providing it with the resources to challenge federal actions.

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Legal and Constitutional Implications

The ongoing battle between Harvard and the Trump administration is set against a backdrop of potential legal confrontations. Alyssa Nadworny emphasizes the legal challenges ahead:

Alyssa Nadworny [16:11]: "I'm watching what Domenico just talked about with that tax-exempt status. And then also two lawsuits to see if the courts are going to weigh in on whether or not this is legal."

Domenico underscores the gravity of these developments, suggesting that they may escalate into a constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules against the administration:

Domenico Montanaro [16:29]: "If the Trump administration defies the Supreme Court, then we're at a point where most people would say we are at a constitutional crisis."

The hosts also touch upon the administration’s attempts to cut funding for programs like Head Start, a critical early childhood education initiative for low-income families, further illustrating the administration's broader agenda to influence educational curricula and policies.

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Can’t Let It Go: Cultural Highlights

Shifting gears to lighter topics, the "Can’t Let It Go" segment features personal reflections from the hosts. Danielle Kurtzleben shares her fascination with Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin rocket flight, which included celebrities like Katy Perry and Gayle King:

Danielle Kurtzleben [18:21]: "It was my soap opera for the week. Can't Let It Go."

Ashley Lopez expresses her excitement about the 20th-anniversary re-release of the 2005 Pride and Prejudice movie, highlighting its enduring popularity and the community of dedicated fans.

Domenico Montanaro discusses the inspiring story of former baseball star Ken Griffey Jr., who has successfully transitioned into a professional photographer, capturing iconic moments like Rory McIlroy’s Masters victory.

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with acknowledgments to the production team and a brief promotion of other NPR podcasts, maintaining the informative and engaging tone characteristic of The NPR Politics Podcast.

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Notable Quotes:

• Danielle Kurtzleben [02:50]: "We are still going to start the process of putting tariffs on semiconductors again from all these overseas markets, as well as pharmaceuticals and critical minerals."

• Domenico Montanaro [07:03]: "Existing precedent does seem to be on Powell's side here, but who knows exactly how the Supreme Court would rule."

• Alyssa Nadworny [10:09]: "Harvard was given a list of demands to reinstate $2.2 billion in federal funding, which they refused."

• Danielle Kurtzleben [18:21]: "It was my soap opera for the week. Can't Let It Go."

This comprehensive summary captures the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the complex political and economic issues at play.

Transcript

[Ashley Lopez]

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[Danielle Kurtzleben]

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[Domenico Montanaro]

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[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah, seriously. Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Ashley Lopez. I cover politics.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

I'm Danielle Kurtzleben. I cover the White House.

[Domenico Montanaro]

And I'm Domenico Montanaro, senior political editor and correspondent.

[Ashley Lopez]

And it's time for our weekly news roundup. There was a lot of big economic news this week from the White House. Let's start with President Trump's ongoing push for tariffs. Danielle, we've talked a lot about tariffs these last few weeks, and even in just those few weeks, things have changed a lot.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

Yeah. So the latest started just after our last Friday news roundup went out. So last Friday, Customs and Border Protection released a list of products that are now being excluded from tariffs on overseas goods. And it turned out it was a lot of electronic stuff. It was semiconductors, laptops and cell phones, among some other more technical things. And this was a real surprise because a lot of those electronic things that are excluded now come from China. And China is where the US has really, really high tariffs of 145% and then some on some goods. So this was a really big deal. But then the White House came out and clarified, those goods that are listed as exempt, they're still subject to a 20% tariff that we've imposed on Chinese goods. And that's not nothing. 20% is still quite a bit, even if it's not over 100, which is just off the map. Then within the next day or two, White House officials came out and said, look, this doesn't get those Chinese goods off the h. We are still going to start the process of putting tariffs on semiconductors again from all these overseas markets, as well as pharmaceuticals and critical minerals. So it was a Lot of whiplash. No one quite knew what to make of it at first.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. Can you tell me what the White House's rationale is for changing this again?

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

Sure. So last weekend, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick went on ABC's this Week. He said, this is not like a permanent sort of exemption. He added that Trump was, quote, just clarifying that these are not available to be negotiated away by countries. These are things that are national security that we need to be made in America. So what Lutnick and Trump seem to have been saying, and the wording that I've seen used, is that they're moving these tariffs from one bucket to another. The idea being that semiconductors, as well as those other things like critical minerals and pharmaceuticals, are about national security. And this is the process that they have set into motion. This week, trade and economic officials are starting an investigation to look at what kind of capacity does the US have for producing those things, and is the US Lack of capacity insofar as there is one, a national security threat? So that is what the White House is saying. But that said, this was all super confusing for anybody watching it.

[Domenico Montanaro]

Yeah. And, you know, I think that what it means is higher prices in the short term, which is what the Fed Chairman, Jerome Powell said is highly likely this week. Of course, that irritated President Trump. He's been irritated with Powell because he's somebody who acts, he says, too slowly because he acts with due diligence on this stuff. And his job is to create certainty. Right. And the last thing that Trump is doing is creating certainty. And I think that's why he was upset, according to a lot of reports internally with Lutnick, because it essentially stepped on the message of saying that these are only temporary and they'll be washed away. And that's why Trump went on social media immediately after that, essentially to say that nothing is temporary. You know, we're just moving this to these different buckets because he wants to be able to use these tariffs as leverage. And that's the big thing here, where he wants to try to negotiate with other countries. But what it's done has created a ton of volatility in the stock market. Things are up and down. Businesses don't know what to expect, and again, prices likely to go higher. The very thing that Trump was arguably elected to do was to bring prices down.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

Tariffs are now just a waiting game. Trump has said, look, I'm talking with all these world leaders, so you're going to hear about deals soon. Okay. But you're going to hear about deals soon, once again is uncertainty. There is nothing definitive about that. That uncertainty has stock markets really jumpy.

[Domenico Montanaro]

And this is all real stuff, right? It means for businesses, small businesses, big businesses, where do I get my stuff from to make the things that need to be made that I want to sell to people, whether you're somebody who's a pottery maker in North Carolina or you're a major auto supplier, you know, in Canada, trying to supply big companies in the United States. So yeah, just a ton of uncertainty at a time when, you know, like Powell said, this is going to potentially create this tension between what the Fed's job is, which is to do one of two things, keep inflation down, keep unemployment down. And those are often at odds with each other. And if both are going in the wrong direction, you don't know what you're supposed to be able to pull on. So Powell says it's going to do nothing right now.

[Ashley Lopez]

Well, I do want to talk a little bit more about Powell on his social media platform, Truth Social. Trump said that, quote, Powell's termination cannot come fast enough. Domenico, I think it's worth talking about the fact that Trump appointed Powell to run the Fed in his first term. And the Fed is supposed to be apolitical by design. I mean, can Trump just up and fire Powell if he wants to? Like, what are the sort of mechanisms available to him here to deal with Powell if he wants to?

[Domenico Montanaro]

Well, Trump is likely to test this at the supreme court. There's a 1935 Supreme Court precedent called Humphreys Executor versus US that basically allows Congress to require presidents to show cause for firing someone. You know, not just, you know, fire them because you don't like them, but because there's malfeasance, corruption, taking bribes, things like that. That's not generally the spirit of what we're thinking about when we're thinking about what Trump wants, which is control. So I think a lot of this is going to come to a head and we're going to see in the few months.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

What I would add to that is that Supreme Court case that Humphreys executor won from the 1930s, the current Supreme Court, at least some of the conservatives on it who do have the majority have shown that they have some appetite to chip away at that in terms of getting rid of some high ranking people at independent agencies. So should this make it to the Supreme Court? Existing precedent does seem to be on Powell's side here, but who knows exactly how the Supreme Court would rule. One other thing that I think is really important to get at here, and that's easy to skate right by, is that Trump this week accused Jerome Powell of playing politics. Now, Federal Reserve chairs work very, very hard to remain apolitical, and the Fed is set up to be independent. And Powell has said just in recent weeks, when asked by reporters about some of Trump's comments about him, he said, as a matter of course, I do not respond to comments made by elected officials. The the idea of the Fed is to sit there and tweak the dials of monetary policy. That's it. And, and some regulation as well. So that is a really big thing to accuse a Fed chair of.

[Ashley Lopez]

Okay, Danielle, feel free to grab a coffee or something, but don't go too far away as we'll see you again for Can't Let It Go. When we come back, a look at the Trump administration's fight with some colleges and universities at Planet Money.

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And we're back. And NPR's Alyssa Nadwarny is here. She covers education. Hey, Alyssa.

[Alyssa Nadworny]

Hi.

[Ashley Lopez]

So you're here because the Trump administration has stepped up its attacks, this time on higher ed. A number of universities, universities have had federal grants and contracts put on hold. Today we're going to focus, though, on Harvard, which has had upwards of $2.2 billion frozen. Alyssa first, why is the government holding this money Back.

[Alyssa Nadworny]

So this all kind of stems from a civil rights investigation from the Ed Department looking into anti Semitism. So basically, a number of colleges the administration said had failed to protect Jewish students on campus. Harvard is among them. In this back and forth, they sent Harvard a list of demands in order to get their federal money reinstated. Some of those demands included overseeing academic departments, giving students and faculty less power, reporting international students to federal agencies if they violated campus conduct. This week, Harvard basically said, no, we're not going to meet those demands. And in response, then the government canceled this $2.2 billion in federal funding.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. And what was that money supposed to be used for?

[Alyssa Nadworny]

Well, these are federal research grants and they're multi year, so they're usually for longer term studies. Some of the money went to things like studying als, studying new vaccines for tuberculosis, mostly in the health and science department. So Harvard Medical School said that this is going to lead to them having to cut jobs and lay people off.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. And this week, President Trump suggested that Harvard might lose its tax exempt status over all this. Domenico, what do you make of that?

[Domenico Montanaro]

Well, I think Trump has shown that he's willing to use the IRS against his enemies, you know, be able to target them. To say that we want to stop you from having this tax exempt status and doing that is something that ironically, the Trump administration and conservatives have accused Democrats of doing to target conservatives more than they did Democratic groups. And they said that that would be a terrible thing to do and no one should ever do it. And here we are on the other side of it with it explicitly being done.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. So far, what have we heard from Harvard about this? How have they responded to the cuts?

[Alyssa Nadworny]

So there is a lawsuit in the works. Harvard faculty, along with the associ of university professors, sued the federal government over this kind of back and forth of withholding funding. And Harvard has really doubled down in its response. If you go to the Harvard Landing page on their website, they list what all of the research funding goes to, they post the letter from their president, and their lawyers are kind of readying for what this ultimately is going to mean for them.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. And Domenico, what's really interesting here is that Harvard has decided to fight back when other universities, Columbia for example, have decided not to. I mean, I know there's some obvious financial calculus that's being done here, but it seems like there's some political calculus too.

[Domenico Montanaro]

Well, I think that, you know, Harvard obviously is one of the biggest names in higher education in the world, not just in the United States.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah.

[Domenico Montanaro]

So I think that There is a degree to which the faculty and staff at Harvard believe that they have to plant a flag and be able to fight back and be able to give some cover to other universities. And look what's happened when it comes to some of these law firms as well. I mean, the Trump administration's gone after some of these law firms. Some of the law firms firms have made deals with the Trump administration, and then the Trump administration has asked for more. So I think that Harvard wants to be able to say, we can't continue to go down this road. And I think that's also interesting. You know, when Alyssa talks about the kinds of research that's done mostly in health and science, you know, this can come across as feeling like blackmail from the Trump administration because these grants are not given because a university, you know, aligns completely with a presidency by the Trump administration saying, hey, we give you this X amount of dollars, we don't like your quote, unquote DEI policies, and therefore we're going to hold these other things that have absolutely nothing to do with any of that over you to be able to get you to do what we want you to do, to change to basically socially engineer how higher education is run.

[Alyssa Nadworny]

And Domenico, like, I've talked to a number of institutions that had grants canceled from the Department of the Defense, NASA. I mean, these are grants that also do research on semiconductors and cybersecurity and, and defense with China. I mean, so it's all kind of related to much larger ideas for the nation.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. And do you actually think, Alyssa, that Harvard providing this kind of COVID for other universities might mean that there might be more universities taking the Harvard route versus the Columbia route?

[Alyssa Nadworny]

Yeah, I think absolutely. A lot of colleges were telling me they were waiting for someone to do it, and if someone was going to do it, it was going to be Harvard with their $50 billion endowment. And I think yes, Harvard absolutely showed other colleges what is possible and where the red lines can be.

[Ashley Lopez]

I also want to talk about some reporting that the administration wants to end funding for Head Start first. What's this program and what's their reasoning for wanting to end funding there?

[Alyssa Nadworny]

So Head Start is early childhood care and preschool for low income families. So it's funded by Health and Human Services. I have done a lot of reporting in Head Start classrooms. And essentially this federally funded program allows parents to work so they have a place for their children to go. The administration wants to cut the funding. And in the document reported by the Washington Post, they said that they didn't want to be in the business of mandating curriculum. And so some of this is, is tied to a lot of what we've seen in their approach to K12. And even with some of the stuff with Harvard kind of wanting the federal government to get out of the business of dictating curriculum. And then on the flip side, of course you have their demands at Harvard to oversee their academic programs. So it's a little bit of both. And.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. Well, before we go, I want to get a sense from y'all about what you will be watching moving forward as these funding fights with universities and education programs sort of continue. Yeah. What are you looking out for?

[Alyssa Nadworny]

Well, I'm certainly watching what Domenico just talked about with that tax exempt status. And then also I'm watching two lawsuits to see if the courts are going to weigh in on whether or not this is legal. I talked to a lot of legal experts who said, yeah, this as Domenico called it, blackmail, like that's actually not following federal law. So we'll see.

[Domenico Montanaro]

Yeah, I think, you know, moving to the Supreme Court is a huge piece of everything that I think that we're watching here as we near what some people think is a constitutional crisis. And if the Trump administration defies the Supreme Court, then I. We're at a point where most people would say we are at a constitutional crisis.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah. Okay. Well, Alyssa, thank you so much for your reporting. You bet.

[Alyssa Nadworny]

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All right, it's time for Can't Let It Go. That's the part of the show where we talk about the things from the week that we just can't stop thinking about, politics or otherwise. Danielle, why don't we start with you? What can't you let go of this week?

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

Okay, so if you missed it, Jeff Bezos blue origin rocket took a space flight on Monday with an all female crew of six. It included pop star Katy Perry, journalist Gayle King, Bezos's fiance, also a journalist Lauren Sanchez, a couple of science scientists slash activists. And I just think this was a mad lib of celebrities and space and Internet weirdness. It was everything. First off, the flight was only 11 minutes, which was shorter than I was expecting, but okay, I think this, like.

[Ashley Lopez]

This stunt was like, built in a lab to annoy me, and it was successful, at least in that way.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

Oh, it was built in a lab to delight me.

[Domenico Montanaro]

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[Danielle Kurtzleben]

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[Ashley Lopez]

Just listen up.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

No, there are these memes of Gayle King, a journalist, looking just less than enthusiastic about the whole affair. There's videos of Jeff Bezos kind of face planting as he runs to meet his fiance, Lauren Sanchez, after they land. It was my soap opera for the week. Can't Let it Go. Thank you for letting me go on for a while.

[Domenico Montanaro]

Ashley's ready to let it go.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

All right. Yes, Ashley, what can't you let go of?

[Ashley Lopez]

So what I can't let go of this week is this weekend is actually a very big weekend for Fans of the 2005 Pride and Prejudice movie featuring Keira Knightley.

[Domenico Montanaro]

We definitely went from low brow to high brow.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah, well, it's like 20 years since that movie first came out. And so they're re releasing it into theaters, and I am so excited. I'm watching it on Saturday. This is the movie that, no joke, I have watched more than any other movie in my life. Even when I was a kid and I was like, mainlining Disney movies a lot still in my adult life, I have not watched a movie more than I have this particular movie. I mean, it's pretty popular. The 2005 Pride and Prejudice.

[Domenico Montanaro]

I don't remember it. I think I saw it at some point, read the books, like, you know, but it's not my thing. But, you know, I understand.

[Ashley Lopez]

Oh, Jane Austen's not your thing.

[Domenico Montanaro]

I mean, you know, I don't dislike it.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

I need to rewatch it. I watched it years and years ago, but now I was a succession super fan. So I need to rewatch it so I can get the Matthew McFadyon whiplash of Mr. Darcy and Tom Wambsgan.

[Ashley Lopez]

Yeah, well, I will say for lovers of this movie, it is like, yeah, I wouldn't even say a cult classic. But there are. There's like a community of folks who are super obsessed with this movie. So, like, they will have viewings of this movie at the estate where they film like Mr. Darcy's House, I believe so. It's like there's a whole like, subculture of people who are obsessed with this movie. I'm a member of that subculture, so I am.

[Domenico Montanaro]

What is the core obsession?

[Ashley Lopez]

It's a perfect movie if you watch it 100 times. I'll tell you this, it becomes cozier every time. I don't know if you want to start that experiment. It's a big deal for me. I'm very excited. All right. Domenico onto you. What can't you let go of this week?

[Domenico Montanaro]

The Masters was last weekend. And this is less about golf because I'm not a huge fan, but I did watch part of it. It was interesting watching Rory McIlroy win the Masters after having missed it several times. But what I was more obsessed with and what I couldn't let go of was Ken Griffey Jr. Being there as a credentialed photographer. And if you're not aware of who Ken Griffey Jr. Is, he is a Hall of fam baseball player who hit 630 home runs. And he was a credentialed professional photographer. And not only that, he wound up getting the shot of the Masters that went viral of Rory McElroy on the green, head down, and that was Ken Griffey Jr's shot. It's amazing.

[Danielle Kurtzleben]

The kid, incredible.

[Ashley Lopez]

It's like a second act.

[Domenico Montanaro]

Totally. And I went down the rabbit hole a little bit of like, where. What other things he's done and he did. He's done a lot of MLB games, He's done NBA games. And he said he started doing this because he would go to his kids games and people were trying to talk to him all the time. And his daughter was getting really annoyed with him looking over in the stands and seeing him not paying attention to the game. And what he noticed was that nobody messes with the camera guy. So he picked up a camera and he just started shooting his kids games. And now he's really gotten very good at it. And apparently this is a hobby others have picked up as well. And it's, it's really fascinating. It's, they're good shots and it was a nice feel good second act story.

[Ashley Lopez]

I love that. That's great. Okay. Well, that's all for today. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi. KC Morrell edits the podcast. Our producers are Bria Suggs and Kelly Wessinger. Special thanks to Krishnadev Kalamer. I'm Ashley Lopez. I cover politics.

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[Domenico Montanaro]

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