What Trump says to expect of war in Iran

Summary

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The NPR Politics Podcast

Episode: What Trump says to expect of war in Iran

Date: March 2, 2026
Hosts: Miles Parks, Greg Myhre, Mara Liasson

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Overview

In this urgent and timely episode, Miles Parks, Greg Myhre, and Mara Liasson break down the rapidly evolving situation as the United States, led by President Trump, initiates large-scale military operations against Iran. The discussion centers on the stated and unstated objectives of the war, its regional and domestic ramifications, political strategy, and the implications for American and global politics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. U.S. Objectives in Iran: Military vs. Political (00:28–02:57)

• Military Goals:
  Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth described the objectives as destroying Iran’s missile program, navy, and curtailing its ability to develop nuclear weapons.
  • Greg Myhre: “From a military perspective, that’s pretty clear... But the bigger question, though, is what do you want to see politically? How do you want to see this end up in Iran? And that’s always the tricky part.” (01:04)
• Political Goals Unclear:
  The panel notes historic U.S. interventions aimed at regime change have led to protracted conflicts with fuzzy end-states, drawing explicit parallels to Afghanistan and Iraq.

2. Dramatic First Strike—Leadership Decapitation (02:13–02:57)

• Initial strikes, primarily Israeli, killed Iran’s Supreme Leader and dozens of senior officials, expedited due to actionable intelligence.
• Greg Myhre: “Israel hit these leaders while they were meeting and killed 40 or more of them.” (02:13)
• Trump had hinted at having replacements in mind but acknowledged those figures were killed in the bombing—a decision that exposed confusion and chaos in U.S. strategy.
  • Mara Liasson: “It sounded like the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.” (02:57)

3. Trump’s Message to the Iranian People: Implied Regime Change (03:28–05:16)

• Trump’s direct call for Iranians to "take over your government" strongly implies regime change as a goal, yet no U.S. ground troops are planned.
  • Pres. Trump: “This will be probably your only chance for generations.” (03:36)
• Panelists question the realism of regime change via air campaign and civilian revolt, drawing contrasts with Israel’s experience in Gaza.

4. Ambiguity as Strategy (05:16–06:53)

• Trump appears to set up an ambiguous objective—possibly to shield himself from political fallout.
  • Mara Liasson: “Maybe having either no objectives or confusing objectives is smart politics... you can’t be accused of failing to meet your objectives if you say it’s up to the Iranian people." (05:16)

5. Timeline and Confidence—A Short, Decisive War? (06:08–06:53)

• Trump projects a 4–5 week engagement but asserts flexibility.
  • Pres. Trump: "We projected four to five weeks, but we have capability to go far longer than that. We’ll do it..." (06:08)
• Panelists note the unpredictability of war lengths—referring to such estimations as risky.

6. The Communication Gap (06:53–08:09)

• Notably paradoxical: usually rapid White House messaging was absent for the first two days, creating a vacuum filled by Iranian officials and speculation.
  • Mara Liasson: “I was very surprised that the White House had nothing to say at all until today... It was a risk because in the vacuum came other voices about why are we doing this?” (07:06)
  • Greg Myhre: “We were literally hearing more from Iranian officials... than U.S. government.” (07:41)

7. Domestic Political Stakes: Oil and Casualties (08:09–09:17)

• The extent of U.S. casualties and impact on oil prices are seen as critical to domestic political ramifications, especially for upcoming midterms.
  • Mara Liasson: “All that matters to US Voters is what happens to oil prices and are more Americans dying overseas... One thing that’s been interesting and missing is the rally around the flag effect...” (08:17)

8. Escalation and Regional Fallout (09:17–10:47)

• The war has already drawn in up to seven other Gulf states, mostly via defensive actions against Iranian missiles and drones.
  • Examples include Kuwait accidentally shooting down U.S. jets, highlighting confusion and risk of escalation.
  • Greg Myhre: “It just shows you the complications there that the Gulf is being turned upside down.” (10:27)

9. Trump’s Contradiction—Anti-interventionism vs. “Ultimate Sacrifice” (12:26–13:12)

• Trump’s pledge to avoid foreign wars sits uneasily with American casualties in the current campaign.
  • Pres. Trump: “We grieve for the true American patriots who have made the ultimate sacrifice... And sadly, there will likely be more before it ends. That’s the way it is.” (12:26)
• Mara Liasson: “He promised the American people... not to get involved in foreign wars... If oil prices go up because of this war, that’s going to be a problem for voters.” (13:12)

10. Was There an Imminent Threat? (14:13–16:02)

• Trump claims an urgent missile threat from Iran, but experts (and agency reports) find no immediate danger to the U.S.
  • Greg Myhre: “There’s just no evidence that they would be able to build missiles that could come all the way to the U.S.... almost a decade away before they could.” (14:32)

11. Global Reaction—Reluctant “Allies” (16:02–17:40)

• U.S. acts virtually alone, aside from Israel; European nations issue cautious, hedged statements, while Russia and China criticize.
  • Mara Liasson: “He has made it very clear in the past he doesn’t think the US needs allies, that allies are more of an encumbrance than a help.” (17:17)

12. Future Prospects—The Pattern of Interventions (17:40–21:19)

• The U.S. has now toppled two foreign governments in two months. Panelists debate whether this “will continue” as Trump seems emboldened by prior successes.
  • Mara Liasson: “This is the President who ran on no more foreign wars. And I think he’s bombed seven countries.” (17:57)
• Dangers of repeating Libya’s air-only regime change without postwar planning: possible civil war, destabilizing the region further.
  • Greg Myhre: “Libya being the perfect example where the US didn’t send troops on the ground, it bombed from the air... and then left the place and it devolved into civil war.” (20:38)

13. Who Owns the Fallout? (19:56–21:19)

• Trump’s strategy disavows “nation building,” but panelists warn instability could produce regional consequences, even if domestic political costs are muted unless U.S. casualties or economic pain rises.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mara Liasson: “It sounded like the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing. And there wasn’t much of a clear strategy. If you wanted to keep these people alive to be the next rulers, why did you kill them?” (02:57)
• President Trump: “To the great, proud people of Iran... take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” (03:36)
• Greg Myhre: “How is this going to happen? It seems like that may be his wish, his desire, but the president also seems like he’s not going to send ground troops in.” (04:07)
• Mara Liasson: “Maybe having either no objectives or confusing objectives is smart politics. No matter what happens, you can’t be accused of failing to meet your objectives if you say that it’s up to the Iranian people to change the regime.” (05:16)
• President Trump: “We projected four to five weeks, but we have capability to go far longer than that... I don’t get bored.” (06:08)
• Greg Myhre: “We were literally hearing more from Iranian officials... than we were hearing from the U.S. government.” (07:41)
• Mara Liasson: “One thing that’s been interesting and missing is the rally around the flag effect, which usually happens. Presidents usually get a big burst of support right after military effort like this one. That’s really not happening.” (08:17)
• Greg Myhre: “The Gulf is being turned upside down. It’s having a big impact already economically on their airports, on their economies, on the flow of oil through the Gulf.” (10:47)
• President Trump: “We grieve for the true American patriots... And sadly, there will likely be more before it ends. That’s the way it is.” (12:26)
• Greg Myhre: “There’s just no evidence that they would be able to build missiles that could come all the way to the U.S.... almost a decade away before they could.” (14:32)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:28–02:06: U.S. war objectives and initial military moves
• 02:13–02:57: Assassination of Iranian leaders
• 03:36–03:59: Trump’s message to Iranians
• 04:07–05:16: Feasibility of regime change
• 06:08–06:23: Trump on war timeline
• 07:06–08:09: Absence of White House communication
• 08:09–08:17: American casualties and domestic consequences
• 09:17–10:47: Regional escalation—states drawn in
• 12:26–12:57: Trump on fallen soldiers
• 14:32–16:02: Evidence (or lack thereof) of “imminent threat”
• 16:02–17:40: Global reactions and “go it alone”
• 19:56–20:08: Defense Secretary Hegseth and “no nation building”
• 20:38–21:35: Dangers of post-intervention instability

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Closing Thoughts

The hosts conclude with broad uncertainty about the war’s trajectory, underlining how the combination of ambiguous objectives, rapid overseas intervention, and a lack of allied support creates substantial risks both for the region and for domestic U.S. politics. The panel urges careful attention to potential blowback—military, political, and humanitarian—drawing direct lines to past wars and their consequences.

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Transcript

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[Miles Parks]

Hey there. It's the NPR Politics podcast. I'm Miles Parks. I cover voting.

[Greg Myhre]

I'm Greg Myhre. I cover national security.

[Mara Liasson]

And I'm Mara Liasson, senior national political correspondent.

[Miles Parks]

And we are taping this podcast at 1:34pm Eastern Time on Monday, March 2nd. Today on the show, the United States is at war with Iran. As the military action began early Saturday morning, President Trump released this video on his social media site, Truth Social.

[President Donald Trump]

The United States military is undertaking a massive and ongoing operation to prevent this very wicked radical dictatorship from threatening America and our core national security interests.

[Miles Parks]

Greg, has the White House given any more information on the objectives of this military action?

[Greg Myhre]

Yeah, Miles, I would break that into two parts. One part would be the military objectives. And President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth both gave a little more clarity to that today when they said that the US Is seeking to destroy Iran's missile program, its navy, and make sure it doesn't get nuclear weapons anytime now or in the future. So from a military perspective, that's pretty clear and seems something that potentially can be achieved now. The bigger question, though, is what do you want to see politically? How do you want to see this end up in Iran? And that's always the tricky part. You know, previous US wars in the Middle east, in Iraq and Afghanistan, tossing out the leaders, the Taliban in Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein in Iraq. That went pretty quickly. Then came this long, complicated effort to reach some sor political settlement. So the political piece of it still remains to be seen. They're a little fuzzy about exactly what that should look like, Greg, unless Trump

[Mara Liasson]

wants to leave most of the rulers in Iran the same, just like Venezuela, get rid of the lead singer. But the band keeps playing.

[Greg Myhre]

Yeah, I mean, they did. They did with the first strike on Saturday morning was an Israeli strike. Actually. They killed the supreme leader in Iran and about 40 other senior figures. In fact, it turns out that the timing of the attack was sort moved up and done during daylight hours because the U.S. had intelligence that all of these senior Iranian figures were coming together was Saturday is the equivalent of Monday. It's the beginning of the work week in Iran. And once the US Found out that they'd all be meeting, presumably to deal with this crisis, that's when they moved up the beginning of the attacks and Israel hit these leaders while they were meeting and killed 40 or more of them.

[Mara Liasson]

The President was asked by Jonathan Karl of ABC if he had people in mind who could be the next leaders of Iran. And he said yes. I think he said he had three in particular in mind, but they were all killed in the bombing of the Supreme Leader. So it sounded like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And there wasn't much of a clear strategy. If you wanted to keep these people alive to be the next rulers, why did you kill them?

[Greg Myhre]

Well, planning in war is a very fickle beast. You know, rarely. Rarely goes as planned.

[Miles Parks]

I do want to play a little bit more of the sound of President Trump's message on Saturday. This part was directed to the Iranian people.

[President Donald Trump]

To the great, proud people of Iran. I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. Stay sheltered. Don't leave your home. It's very dangerous outside. Bombs will be dropping everywhere. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.

[Miles Parks]

So you have Trump there calling on the people of Iran to take over their government. How much is regime change actually part of the objective here?

[Greg Myhre]

Well, it seems to be based on that statement. It's hard to interpret that any other way. The question is, how do you do that? Iran is a large country, 90 million people. It's got a big military police force. The security forces there are battle hardened. We've seen them crack down brutally on the civilian population when there were mass protests in January. There's not really an armed opposition there. So how is this going to happen? It seems like that may be his wish, his desire, but the president also seems like he's not going to send ground troops in. This is going to be an air campaign by the US And Israel. So it's really hard to see how that would happen. And just very quickly, I would point to Israel and Hamas in Gaza. Israel has bombed Gaza for two years, had troops in the territory. Gaza is a small place with just 2 million people. And after more than two years, Hamas is still effectively in control of the Palestinian population there. So if Israel couldn't, in effect, bring regime change to Gaza, how are you gonna do it in this much larger country of Iran? With a short military campaign and no

[Mara Liasson]

troops on the ground, it's possible that Trump is setting up a situation where he doesn't take blame for whatever happens. He's basically saying it's up to the people of Iran to take back their government. I'm giving them an opportunity. He says it will be yours to taken. It will be your only chance for generations. So maybe having either no objectives or confusing objectives is smart politics. No matter what happens, you can't be accused of failing to meet your objectives if you say that it's up to the Iranian people to change the regime.

[Miles Parks]

So, Greg, this morning, in an unrelated ceremony, President Trump did talk a little bit about the ongoing conflict with Iran. What more did we learn about what's going on or what we can expect in the future?

[Greg Myhre]

Yeah, the President laid out some of the goals he's hoping to achieve again, of going after the missile program and the Navy there. And he also gave us a sense of how long he thinks the war might last.

[President Donald Trump]

We projected four to five weeks, but we have capability to go far longer than that. We'll do it. Whatever somebody said today, they said, oh, well, if the President wants to do it really quickly after that, he'll get bored. I don't get bored.

[Greg Myhre]

And I would just caution. It's very risky to try to predict how long a war is going to last. Things always happen that you don't expect, so we'll have to see about that. But at least it tells you what he's thinking about. He also added that the US Is ahead of its own timeline in the sense that a lot of Iran's leaders were killed. They didn't think that was going to happen right away. So there could be all of these variables that play into this to either shorten or lengthen a conflict, and at least we have some idea about what the President's thinking.

[Miles Parks]

I mean, Mara, were you surprised at all on the messaging? I mean, over the last couple of days? I mean, this is. Today is the first time we're getting clear information about the actual military objectives. Like Greg mentioned, that's two days later after these strikes.

[Mara Liasson]

What surprised me was a big mystery of the communication strategy. Donald Trump moves very fast to control the narrative on almost anything that happens. And his vast empire of media affiliations and supporters also moves fast. So I was very surprised that the White House had nothing to say at all until today. They didn't try to control the narrative, which I don't have an answer for. I just think it's a big mystery. And it was a risk because in the vacuum came other voices about why are we doing this?

[Greg Myhre]

We were literally hearing more from Iranian officials. The foreign Minister of Iran, Abbas, Iraqi, was on most of the cable channels over the weekend talking about the war. And yet you didn't see Trump or other senior officials in his administration. Speaking about the war, what the aims were, how it was going, bits and pieces were dribbling out from the, from the military in brief statements. But, yeah, we were actually hearing more from Iran than we were hearing from the U.S. government.

[Miles Parks]

Well, and the other part of that, Mara, is how the American people are perceiving this. Right, because four US Service members are dead now. And Trump has been explicit, there will

[Mara Liasson]

be more, there will be more. You know, I think that in the end, politically, all that matters to US Voters is what happens to oil prices and are more Americans dying overseas. Those are the things that will actually affect the midterms in terms of public opinion right now. One thing that's been interesting and missing is the rally around the flag effect, which usually happens. Presidents usually get a big burst of support right after military effort like this one. That's really not happening. The public is pretty much split. But I do think it depends on how long it goes. Does it affect people's pocketbooks and are they going to find out about American soldiers dying overseas? That's what really matters. But I think right now it's very possible that if Donald Trump does a kind of long version of his one and done military incursions that he favors, which is just bomb and then get out, leave the basic regime in place, nab one bad guy like in Venezuela, I think it might not have any effect on the midterms. We don't know yet.

[Miles Parks]

I mean, Greg, on Friday, when we were talking about the possibility of the US Going to war with Iran, we talked at length about the possibility of it getting broader and conflicts spreading throughout the region. Are we seeing that play out at all in the days since the strike started?

[Greg Myhre]

Yeah, very much so. This is day three and it's already happened. A lot of the Arab countries in the Gulf near Iran did not want to get involved. They said they did not want the US Using its airspace. They were trying to signal that we're not involved here. Well, Iran chose to hit, I believe it's up to seven countries in the region now. So those countries have had to get involved, if only to defend their own territory and shoot down incoming Iranian missiles and drones. But this of course creates other dynamics. For example, Kuwait, home to a significant US military presence. The Kuwaitis shot down three American F15s fighter jets by mistake. They presumably thought this was incoming Iranian fire. They shot down these three very expensive planes. The six US Crew members all ejected and have survived. But it just shows you the complications there that the Gulf is being turned upside down. It's having a big impact already economically on their airports, on their economies, on the flow of oil through the Gulf. So yes, it's already playing out in the region.

[Miles Parks]

Alright, we can take a quick break and more on all of this in just a moment.

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[Miles Parks]

And we're back. And I want to listen to a little bit more of President Trump talking. This is from a video yesterday Talking about the U.S. service members who have already been killed in this operation.

[President Donald Trump]

As one nation, we grieve for the true American patriots who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation even as we continue the righteous mission for which they gave their lives. We pray for the full recovery of the wounded and send our immense love and eternal gratitude to the families of the fallen. And sadly, there will likely be more before it ends. That's the way it is, Mara.

[Miles Parks]

You know, President Trump ran on this promise to get America out of foreign entanglements, but then you have him essentially saying there will be more people killed because that is the sort of price of these sort of foreign entanglements. How do you square those two things?

[Mara Liasson]

President Trump is a big risk taker and he is taking a humongous risk here. He promised the American people not only not to get involved in foreign wars. He said he'd bring prices down. If oil prices go up because of this war, that's going to be a problem for voters. The same thing with more U.S. casualties. He says that's just the way it is. Well, generally people sour on foreign wars when US Servicemen are dying overseas. Otherwise, it doesn't really cross their minds. So I think it's a big risk. He didn't try to convince the American people or lay out his case for why this war was necessary. He's just hoping he can succeed. It's possible he can walk away at any time, can call it a success because once again, he's degraded Iran's capacity to commit terror acts or to develop a nuclear weapon. So this is Trump's modus operandi. He creates his own reality. He kind of, you know, barrels through and so far it's worked for him. I don't know when that string runs out, Greg.

[Miles Parks]

I do feel like for people to accept a military operation of this volume and this size, they do have to sort of believe that there was some inherent risk to the United States. Has the president or anyone in the administration made that case effectively that Iran posed an immediate risk to the U.S. yeah.

[Greg Myhre]

Trump has said that in particular with missiles, saying that Iran is working on long range missiles that could hit the US Pretty soon. Right now, Iran's missiles can hit Israel or other countries in the Middle east, but there's just no evidence that they would be able to build missiles that could come all the way to the U.S. the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is part of the Pentagon, the Defense Intelligence Agency put out this report last year saying that Iran has begun to work on a space program and system systems that could build intercontinental ballistic missiles, but that they estimated it would take until 2035 before Iran could do something like that. So almost a decade away before they could. They don't have that now. And again, when it comes to the nuclear program, Trump said that it was obliterated last year. Now, that seemed to be a bit of an exaggeration, but it was substantially damaged. And there's been no evidence that the enrichment, which is the real centerpiece of the program, has resumed. There may be some peripheral stuff that's going on right now. So Iran is still a dangerous country. It has missiles, it has been involved throughout the region and has targeted the US And Israel in many places over the years. But to say it is an imminent threat to the US in terms of a major weapon system with a missile or a nuclear weapon there just isn't really evidence right now to substantiate that.

[Miles Parks]

What kind of responses are we seeing in the first couple days now from the rest of the world?

[Greg Myhre]

Yeah, I would say it's a bit mixed. A lot of the Arab Gulf states near Iran didn't want to get involved. They were very wary and they were saying things like the US shouldn't use our airspace. We don't want to be part of this. But then Iran targeted them and has fired missiles and drones at them. So they've had to get involved, if only to protect themselves. So that's one element that that's changed very dramatically. And when it comes to, say, Europe, we've seen countries like France, Germany and Britain, they put out a joint statement saying they might be willing to assist in some capacity against the Iranian regime. They've been critical of Iran for the way it's acted. They talked about proportionate action. So they're kind of hedging a little bit, leaning toward the US but. But not wanting to be full fledged members of the operation. So far, the EU is sort of talking about what their position will be on this. So we've seen sort of a mixed reaction. And of course, there have been some countries like Russia and China, which have come out and been very critical of the US Operation.

[Mara Liasson]

It's very much go it alone. The US Is doing this without any allies except for Israel. And he has made it very clear in the past he doesn't think the US Needs allies, that allies are more of an encumbrance than a help. European leaders applauded the end of the Iranian regime, if that's what we're seeing. But they still didn't want to get involved in the military effort.

[Miles Parks]

I mean, where does this go from here? Mara, I do not want to lose sight of the bigger picture here. We've seen the United States depose the leaders of two countries in the last two months. Is this going to continue? Are we going to see this kind of international intervention more in the rest of the year?

[Mara Liasson]

Well, when you hear administration officials talk about how the President has reacted to these events, the answer probably is yes. They describe him as being on kind of a roll. He really has felt good about his use of military force. He's now used force a number of times. This is the President who ran on no more foreign wars. And I think he's bombed seven countries. So I think we might see more of it. But also we have to see how this plays out. I mean, he says it's gonna take four or five More weeks. We don't know what kind of blowback there's gonna be. We don't know what Iran is gonna look like. And we also don't know what are the repercussions in the United States, repercussions that voters may or may not factor into their decision in the midterms.

[Miles Parks]

Greg, what do you think? What are you watching as this continues?

[Greg Myhre]

Well, I think the political piece of this, how you end it politically is always the key question. The US And IS will be able to keep hitting targets indefinitely in Iran. But at what point do you say we've achieved what we want to achieve, we're ready to call this off. And you could see two things being true where the US And Israel could inflict a lot of damage on Iran and its security forces. But the basic elements of the Iranian government and regime stay in place and don't surrender, don't give up, are still in position and strong enough to prevent an internal uprising by Iranian civilians. So you could get to some sort of standoff in the sense where the US And Israel can't achieve much more in an air campaign and the Iranian government, while very weakened, would still be in full control.

[Miles Parks]

I mean, when Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was talking about this, he really did rule out the idea of the United States being involved after a short amount of time. Let's listen. No stupid rules of engagement, no nation

[President Donald Trump]

building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars.

[Miles Parks]

It makes sense to say that, that you're not, this is not going to be another Iraq or Afghanistan, this 15 year conflict. But if Iran politically devolves into chaos, Mara, is that going to be on President Trump?

[Mara Liasson]

Well, it might be. But if you're asking the political question, I don't think voters will care. Libya descended into chaos. Many countries descended into chaos after the US Deposed a regime there. But if it doesn't affect American voters directly in terms of higher prices at the pump or people that they know having their sons and daughters die overseas, I don't think it's gonna hurt Trump. It will be on him. It will be, certainly, you could argue his responsibility, but you know, he can still walk away from that.

[Greg Myhre]

Mara, I would just add to that. I think you're absolutely right in terms of politics and voting in the midterms. But I do think these things are related. And Libya being the perfect example where the US didn't send troops on the ground, it bombed from the air, helped depose Muammar Gaddafi and then left the place and it devolved into civil war. President Obama said that was his biggest mistake of his presidency at one point. So it does have consequences by destabilizing the Middle East. And the war we're seeing here relates to other wars that we've seen over the past two years. You could draw a pretty direct line from the Israel Hamas war in Gaza to fighting in Yemen.

[Mara Liasson]

Oh, there's no doubt about that.

[Greg Myhre]

Syria. So, you know, if Iran becomes a very unstable place and sinks into civil war, that could lead to further issues down the road, even if it doesn't have a direct impact on elections this year.

[Miles Parks]

All right. We can leave it there for today. The political news changes rapidly, as you all know, but this podcast can help you make sense of it. Don't miss an episode. Hit that follow button button on wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'm Miles Parks. I cover voting.

[Greg Myhre]

I'm Greg Myhre. I cover national security.

[Mara Liasson]

And I'm Mara Liasson, senior national political correspondent.

[Miles Parks]

And thank you for listening to the NPR Politics podcast.

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