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Sarah McCammon
Hey there, it's Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.
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Sam Greenglass
And I'm Sam Greenglass. I cover Congress.
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Sarah McCammon
So, Sam, we're here for our turn at what we're calling Political Mosts. For those of you unfamiliar, the idea is pretty simple. These are short conversations where we each take a turn answering a most or other superlative type questions about what it's like covering politics or our journalism careers. And before I reveal today's question, Sam, let me just welcome you to our first bonus episode.
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Sam Greenglass
Thanks, Sarah.
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Sarah McCammon
Everybody might not know you officially joined NPR as a Congress reporter just a couple months ago, Although you're not really a newcomer to npr. You and I worked together in a previous life when you were a producer, right?
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Sam Greenglass
This feels like a little bit of a homecoming. I started my professional journalism career at NPR as an All Things Considered intern back in the summer of 2016. And then I, I stayed on as a producer for almost six years after that before I headed to Atlanta to cover Georgia politics at the member station there, WABE. And now I'm back in D.C. and slowly getting adjusted to being back in the Capitol.
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Sarah McCammon
Well, we are glad to have you. So let's go to our first most question. When it comes to your reporting beat, what is the biggest thing or things on your radar for next year? Sam, I'll let you go first.
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Sam Greenglass
Okay. Well, I cover Congress, so obviously the midterms are going to be a huge part of my 2026. I was a politics reporter in Georgia, as I mentioned before taking this job, starting with the last midterms in 2022. And there's, you know, a few threads or themes I've been tracking over the last few years and some new ones, but ones that I'll be following headed into the next year. One is the implications of this redistricting arms race that's happening right now not only for who controls the House at the end of next year, but implications for how people are represented and their ability to have issues that they care about voiced in the Capitol in Washington. I'll also be looking for any daylight between Trump and Republicans who are maybe running in tough races now that he's not running again for reelection. I'm really curious to follow how some of these affordability themes play out in races. Democrats focused on health care in 2018 and 2022, and that has really become a part of this affordability conversation. And then I'm also really interested in issues around administering elections, you know, how we vote, will we see efforts again to interfere with election results or, you know, heated political rhetoric about stolen elections? As we saw in past cycles, this is not a presidential election year, so maybe the atmosphere is less intense. But, you know, already some of these Indiana lawmakers considering redistricting have faced threats and harassment and obvious be watching to see if we continue to see that kind of climate headed into next year.
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Sarah McCammon
Yeah. And what the rhetoric looks like from the top coming out of the election. I mean, I think a perennial question now when it comes to elections is whether or not there are any actual problems or complications. Do people trust the results given some of the rhetoric they've heard from people like President Trump? You know, you mentioned affordability. That was, you know, a huge issue, of course, in the 2025 elections, the off off year elections, which we'll talk about in a little bit. President Trump has called this issue of affordability a con job. I mean, he's kind of been all over the place with his messaging on affordability. Right. At times acknowledging or suggesting that things are getting better and at times sort of dismissing the concern altogether. Can he neutralize this issue? I mean, do you think this could be a winning issue for Democrats next year?
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Sam Greenglass
Well, I think Democrats certainly hope it can be a winning issue. In 2024, Democrats were kind of slow to recognize the importance of cost of living for a lot of voters. Meanwhile, Republicans just hammered them on it again and again. And this has now seemed to flip a little bit. You hear Democrats talking a lot about affordability, Trump kind of underplaying how important it might be for voters. And I think we're going to see Democrats really put this in the context not just of the cost of housing and groceries, but also health care. You know, with this subsid debate that we've been seeing playing out in Congress. If these Affordable Care act enhanced subsidies expire at the end of the year, as it's looking like they're likely to do without a deal to extend them, we're going to hear Democrats talking a lot about this issue and hammering Republicans on it. I talked to Senator Alyssa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, a few weeks ago, and she told me that of all the issues about affordability, healthcare is the most personal. And, you know, we've even seen some Republicans start to talk about this and, you know, maybe criticizing their party for not following through on some of their more populous messages. This was a key thing. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia cited when she said that she'll be quitting Congress next year, that the White House hasn't done enough to make life better for people.
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Sarah McCammon
And Sam, when it comes to the midterms, are there particular races, particular states that you are going to be paying especially close attention to?
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Sam Greenglass
So there are always two states that are really close to my heart, both personally and when it comes to politics. One you might be able to guess is Georgia, where I spent the last four years. There's a huge Senate race. Senator John Ossoff is the only incumbent Democrat defending a Senate seat in a state that Trump won. And then also be paying really close attention to Michigan, which is my home state. And it's also a really fascinating place for politics, where there is also going to be a heated Senate and governor's race, as well as several competitive House races as well. Okay, Sarah, how about you? What's the biggest topic on your radar when it comes to your beat in 2026?
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Sarah McCammon
Yeah, you know, it's a little trickier for me to answer because my beat is not as clearly defined as yours. I don't cover the White House or the or Capitol Hill. I cover politics and culture. And so sometimes that means reproductive rights and gender, sometimes it means demographics, sometimes it means other things. But I think all of us are going to be thinking hard about the midterms. Obviously, that is the big political story of next year, both because it matters for control of Congress and because of what it could sign about what's to come two years later in the 2028 presidential election, which is sure to be contentious. You know, so one of the big things on my radar is what's happening with demographics. I was fascinated, looking at the exit polls in 24 and seeing those really surprising demographic shifts almost across the board. Most groups moving to the right, moving toward Trump, including voters of color, especially men of color. We've talked about this a lot this year, but the big question is, does that last? Is that a realignment for the Republican Party or is it a one off? And what will that look like in 26 and beyond? So to try to answer some of those questions, I went to several different communities over the last year or so that represent some of those shifts. One of them was the Dearborn area in Michigan, which, as you know, Sam, is a heavily Arab and Muslim community and a place where a lot of voters were conflicted about how to vote, especially given the war in the Middle east at the time.
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Sam Greenglass
So, Sarah, we often hear from Democrats that demographics are destiny, that this increasingly diversifying nation will vote Democratic and that will, you know, guarantee them elections for a long time. 2024 kind of showed that that conventional wisdom is not true. I'm curious, you know, when you're looking at these conversations you had this year, what themes you're looking for with some of these groups headed into the next cycle?
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Sarah McCammon
Yeah, what was interesting to me, Sam, is as I talked to different groups, so I talked to Arab and Muslim voters in Michigan. I went and spoke to some Asian American voters in Nevada, and right after the election spent some time in Pennsylvania talking to Hispanic voters, most of whom had voted for Trump. So in all these communities, I heard some overlapping issues. I also heard some distinct issues. So, you know, from the Hispanic voters I talked to at a church in Pennsylvania, I heard a lot about cultural issues and a sense that, you know, these were conservative, Christian, Hispanic, who felt that the Republican Party was speaking to their concerns. I heard some similar themes from some of the Arabs and Muslims in the Dearborn area. You know, concerns about LGBTQ rhetoric they were seeing in schools and in their communities, and a sense that the Republican Party perhaps spoke to their cultural and religious values more than the Democrats had. But I also heard, you know, from the folks in the Dearborn area, a lot of concern about Middle east policy and a desire for peace and a sense that maybe voting for Trump would sort of disrupt the current situation. Of course, now there's a ceasefire in place that appears to be holding, but all of these groups will be watched really closely heading into the midterms. The question for Republicans is, can they hold on to this support? Will it be lasting? And so far, there are a lot of signs, Sam, that they can't.
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Sam Greenglass
Yeah. I'm curious, when you look at the couple of off year elections that we've already been through this year, are there any signals about what's to come in 2026, or is it just such a small sample size that there's not a lot of conclusions that we can draw from them?
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Sarah McCammon
Yeah, it's really important to caveat this because these off year elections in places like Virginia and New Jersey that just happened last month represent a really different electorate. You know, the kind of people who come out to vote in a year like 2025 are much more politically engaged than certainly a presidential election year or even a midterm year. That said, these races were closely watched for signs of how voters were feeling and what kind of direction the parties were going. And, you know, we saw Democrats really over perform in, for example, the Virginia governor's race and the New Jersey governor's race with a focus on those issues of affordability. Last month, I met a woman named lashawn Jordan at a rally in Norfolk, Virginia. This was a rally for Abigail Spanberger, who was just elected governor. She's a Democrat, and President Obama was there campaigning with her. Jordan told me that she had voted for Trump last year. For the first time in 55 years she'd ever voted for a Republican because she hoped that Trump would bring about change. She felt concerned about the direction of the country. And she said, you know, at the point I talked to her, this was still during the government shutdown. She was feeling differently about Trump.
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Lashawn Jordan
He talked things that he thought we wanted to hear. You know, we needed to hear those things, but we needed to hear them from a Democratic candidate. And a lot of us were bamboozled. You know, it was a good word.
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Sarah McCammon
So that's just one voter. She. She's an African American woman who went for Trump last year and now says she felt, you know, you heard it bamboozled.
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Sam Greenglass
So, Sarah, I know you have a lot of experience covering politics in Virginia. Is there another place or group of voters that you're excited to talk to in 2026 that you think will help answer some of these key questions about where the country is headed next year?
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Sarah McCammon
I am really curious about the future of the Latino vote. You know, this is an interesting group, of course, within. It's a growing demographic within the Latino vote. There are many different people from different backgrounds, and religion comes into play. Like I said, Latinos tend to be heavily Catholic or evangelical, and so sometimes there's overlap with religious conservative concerns that you might see among white conservatives. And, of course, the big issue this year that I think complicates this whole question is Trump's immigration policy. Now, the folks I talked to at the church I visited in Pennsylvania said at that time that they felt like Trump was going to target only people who were here illegally and had committed crimes, which was one of his messages during the campaign. But given the way this policy has played out, there's a lot of polling that suggests that Latino voters are starting to move away from Trump. So that's one of the groups I'm most interested in.
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Sam Greenglass
Sarah, you're getting me excited to get back out on the trail next year.
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Sarah McCammon
I'm glad to hear it. We're going to be busy.
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Sam Greenglass
Yes.
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Sarah McCammon
We're going to wrap up quickly by answering a most ish question, which came from one of our listeners named Arlo. Arlo asks what person or event was the biggest influence on your decision to become a journalist. Sam, do you want to go first?
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Sam Greenglass
I think this is a pretty easy question for me because I'm going to say my high school journalism teacher, Nikki Shuler at North Farmington High School in Michigan. She was kind of one of the first people who showed me the power of journalism and storytelling, even in small issues like, you know, too many kids packed on a school bus. And she also reminded me the importance of being a good person and a human every time that you're interacting with someone, even if they're a source. Sarah, how about you?
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Sarah McCammon
I love that, by the way, that focus on just connecting with people as humans. It's, it's such an important part, I think, of individual conversations and of political dialogue. And we could we should think about it more for sure. One of the most influential people for me was the editor of the Kansas City Star's teen page called Teen Star. When I was a teenager in the 90s, 100 million years ago, I was really fortunate that my hometown newspaper, the Kansas City Star, had a teen section specifically devoted to issues facing teenagers in Kansas City. And it was written by and for high school students, primarily from all across the metro area. We came in like once a month and had a big meeting and sort of planned out the next few issues. And it was really rigorous. I remember getting articles back with lots of red marks and like crying in my parents basement as I rewrote because I, you know, I hadn't seen those kinds of red marks before on most of my papers.
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Sarah McCammon
And so it was humbling and really, really instructive. And Bill Norton, the editor there, mentored a lot of people, including Juana Summers, our colleague, was part of that project as well. Unfortunately, Bill passed away last year, but he is somebody that I definitely owe my career to. Lots of lessons about how to do journalism, lots of lessons about how to develop a thicker skin and just some basic insights into how, how the process works. So I'm grateful for him.
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Sam Greenglass
Cheers to good journalism teachers and mentors for sure.
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Okay.
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Sarah McCammon
Thanks, Arlo, for submitting your question. If you have a most ish or other superlative type of question you'd like us to answer, email us. The address is npr, politicspr.org we'll be back with another bonus episode for you in a couple of weeks. I'm Sarah McCammon. I cover politics.
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Sam Greenglass
I'm Sam Greenglass. I cover Congress.
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Sarah McCammon
And this is npr.
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