694: The Pete and Sebastian Show - EP 694 - IT’S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Pete and Sebastian Show, Episode 694 – "IT’S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE"
Release Date: February 17, 2026
Hosts: Pete Correale and Sebastian Maniscalco

Episode Overview

In this episode, Pete and Sebastian dive into midlife changes, putting one's foot down, generational work ethics, and the current state of customer service and labor. They blend their signature comedic takes with personal anecdotes about skiing, parenting, workplace dynamics, and football fandom, while reflecting on societal shifts and their own families.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Pete’s Skiing Ultimatum (01:40 – 11:06)

• Pete shares a recent family skiing episode where he finally decides he’s done with the sport for good:

  • He recounts the laborious process of gearing up and why he no longer finds joy (or physical safety!) in skiing as he gets older.
  • Quote: “I said, I quit, Jack. I’m never skiing again. I’m done. I’m never skiing.” – Pete (04:13)
  • He talks about the anxiety of potential injuries and how it would've affected his comedy gigs.
  • Pete reflects on the comfort of making a firm decision and setting boundaries: “It felt really good to make an official announcement… Don’t ask me, I’ll go to the lodge, I’ll go on a ski trip, but don’t ask.” (05:09)
  • Comically Googling bone density and referencing aging: “By 30 years old, your bones… start deteriorating… I’m walking around with f***ing bamboo inside me, you want me to ski?” (05:25)

• Sebastian relates, citing his own physical issues—a crooked right leg and reluctance to risk injury—paralleling Pete’s fear of bodily harm.

2. Getting Older and Resilience Compared to Kids (07:49 – 11:06)

• The hosts reminisce about how easy it was to bounce back from falls in their youth versus now:
  • Quote: “Falling down now at this age… it was like, alright, get right back up. Now it’s like cement.” – Sebastian (07:49)
  • Pete paints a comedic analogy about checking your body after a fall like the Titanic’s captain assessing damage (08:28).
• Sebastian describes playing games like "foot drag" with his son, feeling shocked at kids' physical resilience:
  • Quote: “If he throws the ball to me and I have to slightly bend… I don’t know what’s gonna snap off.” (10:10)

3. School and Principal’s Life Lessons (11:19 – 13:22)

• Pete shares how his daughter Sadie is moved by a principal’s assembly speech about self-evaluation in adolescence.
  • The principal challenged kids: “Are you who you want to be? … Now’s the time… to look and evaluate yourself and what you want to be.” (11:55)
  • Pete expresses newfound appreciation for teachers: “It was the first time where I could see why these teachers do what they do… molding my kid.” (12:31)
  • A touching moment as Sadie questions if she’s “nice enough,” prompting Pete’s supportive reassurance.

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4. Modern Workplace Culture and Accountability (17:16 – 29:56)

• Sebastian observes the shift in work culture as a client overseeing ongoing construction at home:

  • Complaints about the relaxed work ethic and seeming lack of accountability or hustle.
  • “There used to be a straightening up of employees when the boss was around. Bro, I’m telling you, that is out the window.” – Sebastian (18:48)
  • Pete pushes back on the idea of the client as "the boss," leading to riffing on who actually holds authority.
  • Discussion on laborers maximizing breaks: “On their lunch break, these guys might as well be f***ing hanging a hammock in the kitchen.” – Sebastian (20:07)
  • Both recall their own experiences taking work breaks "on the sly" vs the openness today.

• Commentary on the Slowdown in Service Jobs:

  • From cashiers to Starbucks, they notice everything is slower now: “There’s no reward for being fast and good, so f*** it.” – Pete (24:42)
  • Sebastian attributes this to different parenting styles and expectations of urgency instilled in previous generations.

• Debate about Workplace Motivation and Advancement

  • They joke about there being nowhere to advance in "meaningless jobs” and wonder about real up-by-the-bootstraps stories at places like Starbucks (29:56).

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5. Generations, Malicious Compliance, & Shark Tank Anecdote (36:31 – 40:53)

• They touch on “malicious compliance”—following orders to the letter to subtly sabotage inefficient management.
  • “This tactic thrives in micromanaged environments, creating plausible deniability while sabotaging…” (36:51)
• Pete tells the story of watching a young entrepreneur on Shark Tank who broke down in tears after tough feedback, interpreting it as a generational comment on grit and resilience.
  • “If that was my son, I’d be like, you’re crying in front of Mark Cuban?” – Pete (39:28)
  • “The title of the show is called Shark Tank, right?… It’s not called Minnow Tank.” – Sebastian (39:57)

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6. Rise of Automation and the Future of Work (42:27 – 46:41)

• Discussion about workers doing the bare minimum, setting the stage for robots to replace them:
  • “The people have made it easy for robots and AI to take over. … I can’t wait … to have seven robots doing everything I need.” – Sebastian (43:54)
  • Pete and Sebastian envision exploitative, tireless robots, and lampoon the modern reluctance to put in hard labor compared to machines.

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7. Football, Fandom, and Family Traditions (47:00 – 59:34)

• Celebrating a Historic Football Play:
  • They relive an epic Chicago Bears game, emphasizing the emotional highs (“That is why NFL football is so freaking great…” – Pete (48:26)) and family traditions (Sebastian describes his son's passion for football as his reason for reconnecting with the sport).
• Seasonal Blues & Sports Cycles:
  • Pete calls post-Super Bowl to March the “dark period in America… just sleeves up. Sucks. It’s cold. Just do it, just get it done.” (50:33)
• Debating Being a ‘Fair Weather Fan’:
  • Both joke about picking up or dropping football depending on team performance, confronting the idea of fair-weather fandom:
    • “I was there when the Bears were 1 in 15 ... Where was I? Hanging out with my family.” – Sebastian (55:34)
    • Pete: "It is hard to not love this Josh Allen, man. I mean, this guy is so easy to root for." (54:24)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On quitting skiing:
  “I quit, Jack. I’m never skiing again. I’m done.” – Pete (04:13)
• On adult injuries:
  “Now it’s like cement… you gotta do an inventory of your body after impact.” – Sebastian/Pete (07:49–08:28)
• On modern laborers:
  “On their lunch break, these guys might as well be f***ing hanging a hammock in the kitchen.” – Sebastian (20:07)
• On slowing down at work:
  “There's no reward for being fast and good, so f*** it.” – Pete (24:42)
• About 'malicious compliance':
  “If ordered to log every minute, including breaks, they do so excessively, bogging down the system…” – Sebastian (36:51)
• On generational differences:
  “If that was my son, I’d be like, you’re crying in front of Mark Cuban?” – Pete (39:28)
• On automation:
  “The people have made it easy for robots and AI to take over… I can’t wait… to have seven robots doing everything I need.” – Sebastian (43:54)
• On fandom loyalty:
  “I was there when The Bears were 1 in 15… Where was I? Hanging out with my family.” – Sebastian (55:34)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:40 – Pete's skiing story and decision to quit for good
• 05:25 – Pete Googles bone density, reluctant about aging
• 07:49 – Falling down as a kid vs. now
• 11:19 – Sadie's principal and life lessons
• 18:48 – Work ethic then vs. now; lunch break observations
• 24:42 – Service job pace, why everything is slower
• 36:31 – “Malicious compliance” at work
• 39:26 – Shark Tank crying entrepreneur
• 43:54 – Rise of robots/AI, future of labor
• 47:00 – Football talk, family Bears fandom
• 50:33 – NFL offseason blues, “dark period in America”
• 54:24 – Loving Josh Allen, choosing fandom
• 55:34 – Defending “fair weather” fans
• 58:41 – Absurdity of fans in freezing stadiums

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Overall Tone and Style

True to form, the episode is a seamless mix of sharp observational humor, candid personal stories, old-school values, and self-deprecating takes on midlife realities. Pete and Sebastian riff off each other, flipping between nostalgia, modern-day frustrations, and touching moments with their families.

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For a hilarious, honest look at generational shifts in recreation, work, and sports, Episode 694 perfectly channels the relatable exasperation and wit of Pete and Sebastian.

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With Pete Corieli and Sebastian Maniscalco. Welcome to the Pete and Sebastian Show. Pete Corelli Sebastian Maniscalco here, broadcasting from New York and Los Angeles. What's happening in the Corioli side of things? Anything happening I with Rochester Living? Yes. What's up?

[A]

I did something recently that I haven't. I haven't done before as far as putting my foot down. It has to do with skiing in a nutshell. Last weekend, Jackie had a friend coming. Jackie and Sadie. Jackie's friends with the mom. Sadie's really close friends with the daughter. They were going to stay over and they were all going to go skiing. Now they got stuck where they were, terrible weather, they couldn't drive. So Sadie and Jackie still wanted to go skiing. Now Sadie was going to try and find the friend in town to go skiing with. And Jackie said if she finds a friend, I'll just drop her off because we now live like a half hour away from skiing. And then I'll pick her up when she's done skiing. If not, I gotta ski with her. And then maybe her friends will show up later. And then I need someone to ski with. So you gotta come. I didn't want to ski. I said, I don't want to ski. I said, I'll come, but I'm not skiing. So the morning comes and things fell through and Jackie's like, you gotta ski with me. I need something to ski with because I gotta ski with Sadie till a friend show up. Then when a friend show up, I envy by myself. So I got all my shit. I have a new helmet and goggles. I put all. I get it all, bro. Huffing puffin. Like they say, where we live now is 25 minutes from the ski resort. I get in the car and I Google it. I'm like 36 and Jackie's like, well, it was 27, Pete, when we went last week. Well, it's 36 now. Like, minutes to get there. Just, you know, and I'm trying. And then I'm like, all right, be the cool guy. Be cool. Go with it. Go with it, go with it. So I get there. I get everything on. It's just. Bro, it's so daunting. It's so daunting. It's freezing. You gotta drop your off, you gotta park, then you gotta grab your. You gotta go in, you gotta pay. You put on the boots. I can barely walk. I get on the lift. I could barely get off the lift because I'm locked in. I go down, bottom line. I go down once, and the whole time I'm like, don't crash this way. Don't crash that way. And I'm fine. I'm fine. But it's tiring and it's not fun. I'm like, I got a big show next week in Long Island. One wipeout. I'm sitting on a stool, like, not moving. Just hug or have a cast on. Oh, my God. You ever see someone perform like that? I don't need any of it. So I get to the bottom, and Jackie still got Sadie with her, and they're flying ahead. And I said to her, I go, I'm done. But I guess she didn't hear me. So now I don't give a shit. I'm done. I'm done for life. I'm done with it. So I get off to the side, I take everything off. She calls me, where are you? We're at the lift. I go, I told you I'm done. What do you mean, you're done? I go, I quit, Jack. I'm never skiing again. I'm done. I'm never skiing. Well, now, Jack, I don't care. I do everything with you. I love you to death. This is the one thing I'm not doing. Not doing it. It's over. And my career is over with. I'm done. Oh, my God. You act like you're 80. I'm. I'm not 80. And then when she comes over later on, like, for that break, I go, look around, man.

[B]

Look around.

[A]

This is a young kid's game. There's not a ton of adults doing this after a certain age, man. It's done for me, you know, you barely like to do it anymore, and you know it through my family. And then I lost my goggles, and Sadie's friends were there, almost to Coryelli. I bet you Lost your goggles? I said, it don't matter. I'm never going to them again anyway. It doesn't matter. And it felt really good to make an official announcement on. On something that I did in my life and to have it be done to no one. Don't ask me. I'll go, I'll park. I'll sit in. I'll sit somewhere with a nice cup of coffee. I'll go to the lodge. Wherever you want to go on a ski trip, I'll do that. But I'm not. Don't ask that. I even googled bone density, bro. By 30 years old, your bones are as they start deteriorating. I'm like. I'm walking around with fucking bamboo inside me. You want me to ski? So what's your take on all that?

[B]

So, damn, can you ski alone?

[A]

That's the thing. It's. It's something to do with someone. I said, jack, we don't even ski together. Like, you're 10ft ahead. I mean, you know, we can't even ski. You're not side by side. It's not like riding a bike and we have helmets on. I go, you just need me for, you know, to hang on the lift for company. And she goes, yeah, so, okay, so.

[B]

Can'T you go up with her on the lift? When it's time to get off, you stay on and you go back down. Just be a lift guy.

[A]

The lift in general is one of the big reasons why I hate skiing and why I never want to ski again. It's. It's scary getting on it. I always wipe out. It's freezing. You're just a dangling piece of meat and wind whipping the whole thing. As you would say, shut it. Shut it down. I don't know why anybody skis.

[B]

And they love it.

[A]

They love it, man.

[B]

I know, I know. We're going through this right now. It's skiing. So they want to. My family wants to go skiing for spring break. And I shut this shit down a long time ago. I said, I ain't skiing. I would like to ski. I really would. But I've noticed my right leg is crooked. And I'm having a physical therapist come over today to work on some stuff to figure out whether or not I could get straightened out. Because if you look in the mirror, it goes in and out. It's looking like. It's like looking like I'm going to be walking like this soon.

[A]

Penguin coming out on the stage. So you. So you feel like this foot problem is one of the reasons why you're not a better skier and you would like to ski. I don't want to wipe out. That's why I don't want to ski. I don't want to. I used to not mind wiping out. Now it's terrifying.

[B]

I know. I know. Like, falling down now at this age, and I'm not saying we're old men, but falling down. I don't know if you fell down within the last two years. Just kind of the impact of the floor, how it feels so much different than it did when you were, like, 21. Like, when I fell down when I was 21, if I was playing basketball and somebody knocked me down, I fe down. It was like, all right, get right back up. You hit the floor. Now it's like cement, right?

[A]

Absolutely. You got to do an inventory of your body after impact. Like when the Titanic hit and the captain's getting a report from the hull and everything. Like, you're going, oh, my Elmo. Hold on. And then you slowly get up in your 20s, you pop right back up. It's unbelievable, man.

[B]

You know, and I'm watching my son now, you know, we're playing football in the house, and he's doing all these different dives, and we do this game called foot drag. And I don't know. I don't know. I'm giving names to games that I don't know if I should be given names to. So we got a variety of different football games that we're playing. One's called foot drag, which I throw him the ball, and he tries to get two feet in bounds. And what I did last night, for the first time, I have a nest camera, and I set it up near the line where it's. It's like. It's like the NFL where they have the camera on the line.

[A]

I love it, man.

[B]

So if we don't know if he was in bounds, we go to my phone and re review in slow motion.

[A]

Oh, he's trying to do the toe catch. I love it.

[B]

Oh, that's phenomenal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. So we're doing all these games. Another one's called balls loose, where I, like, try to get the ball. Like, he loves when the ball comes out like a fumble and there's a scramble towards the ball. So we're doing all these different games and what have you. But I'm watching him. He's. He's hitting the floor. He's bouncing back up. He's like. And doing half the splits when he's catching ball, and I'm like, jesus Christ. If he throws the ball to me and I have to slightly bend to catch it, I don't know what's going to snap off.

[A]

It's crazy how that happened. And that's why I feel fine about my decision, bro.

[B]

No, I've, I'm, I'm, I'm proud of you for putting up a, you know, definite. Listen, you want to go ski, that's your deal. I'll be in the, by the fireplace having a nice hot cup of cocoa, waiting for you guys to come back.

[A]

And it's not an elderly thing either, because I was never in love with the sport. I was always doing it because of my wife and because I love being around her, but I never loved the sport, man, So I don't think I'll be missing that too much. I want to do cross country ski and now my father in law is bringing me a set of those. You look like a freaking weirdo, but I'm going to go out in the woods and do that shit now.

[B]

Oh, God. Brats. That's strange. But what. That's.

[A]

Why bother?

[B]

Go for a walk? What are we doing?

[A]

It's a good exercise. It's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Older people do it, but we'll see. I got one last thing I want to tell you about because I thought this was fascinating. Sadie comes home a couple of weeks back and she's like clearly moved and she's like telling me and Jackie that the principals came. I had them all come into the auditorium, all the seventh graders to speak to them. And she's like. And he made us all sit with a seat in between us so we couldn't talk to whoever around so we'd be totally focused. And for 45 minutes he gave a speech. I've heard this principal speak before at certain things. The guy's like an orator. He's really great. I really like this guy. Young guy. Anyway, he was challenged. He was saying to these kids, you're going from seventh to eighth. This is a big jump. This is when you start to hit high school and you start to be who you're gonna be. And he was questioning them, are you who you want to be? Do you want to change anything about yourself? Are you not this enough or that enough? How are you feeling about yourself? Is it going the route you want? This is a good time to look and evaluate yourself and what you want to be. Because if you want to change it, now's the time. We change it here, this grade. This is a good time that you know. And it, it was Wild to see her come home and like, be influenced. Like, you know, I can see. It was the first time where I really could see why these teachers do what they do and like, doing what they do. I mean, you molded molding my kid. And if it wasn't, I liked what the guy was saying, but if I didn't, I would have had to do a lot of deactivating right there, you.

[B]

Know what I'm saying?

[A]

But he's good. It was good.

[B]

Did she tell you what she wants to change?

[A]

Well, she was questioning if she's nice enough. And I'm like, yeah, listen, it's good to always look into who you are and stuff, but you're plenty nice enough. I mean, listen, I understand everything that they're teaching my daughter, but I can't. You know, you gotta. The kid's gonna flinch she hears something like that. We all are.

[B]

Yeah. You are here for one reason, one reason only. To learn to work for what you want. Do all of you understand me?

[A]

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[B]

I tell you, now that I'm not on the road, I'm getting into a routine at the house and I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing because again with me being around the house, I'm seeing a lot of stuff, you know, primarily with this construction that maybe it'd be better if I just didn't see it. You know what I'm saying? And we talked about this before where I'm in the gym, I noticed the gardeners. I noticed whatever it might be any service that's being Done around the house, I tend to hone in on and what I've noticed and I don't know if it's just the. How comfortable people have become, but you know, there used to be a time where. And listen, everybody screwed off at work, right? I'm sure when you used to work at the hotel and like the. The boss wasn't around, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You'd be maybe goofing around, talking to the guy at the front desk going, you see that Knicks game yesterday? And maybe, of course, you don't have those personal conversations on the floor, right. And then the boss walked in and who straightened up, right? Dave was like, okay, what are you doing? I'm just looking at the. See if the rooms are going to be available today, you know, like. So you make up some. There used to be a straightening up of employees when the boss was around, bro, I'm telling you, that is out the window.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

I walked in and the guys during lunch today, we talk about lunch here on the show.

[A]

You're not their boss. Their boss is the guy, maybe the foreman for them. You're not their boss.

[B]

I'm the boss of the whole fucking thing, bro.

[A]

I don't think you are. You're not. You're the client. You're not the boss. You know, if someone's making you a custom suit and you walk in during their lunch break, is he gonna hop up, put his tuna sandwich down and start selling your suit? Because it's your suit. No, you're a client.

[B]

Put it this way, I come in, the guy's making my suit, and he's at lunch and he's gone over his lunch break. And I come and I go, what are you doing on lunch? I go, you know, that's my suit. Yeah. I go, you want to get paid for making the suit? Put the sandwich down and get back to work. I can't say that.

[A]

You can say that. And then he'll say, get the owner of the sewing shop we're at here, and he's my boss, and if he tells me to get back to work, I will. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know. It's like, listen, I feel whoever's paying the bills, who's ever paying for the service, this is the boss.

[A]

No, no, I, I don't, I can't. Not in this situation. It's too tricky. You think, like they get a. Workers are going to be able to always decipher, oh, here comes the owner of the house. Grab the hammer and fake Bang. Nah, it just doesn't work that way with that kind of job, bro.

[B]

Okay, maybe. Maybe you're right in the sense that I'm not directly associated with their day to day, but it's more of an attitude and being comfortable than anything else. I mean, on their lunch break, these guys might as well be fucking hanging a hammock in the kitchen.

[A]

Well, I mean, bro, bro.

[B]

To be. They're laying.

[A]

I mean, they're rest. I know I'm resting.

[B]

I'm resting, bro.

[A]

It's.

[B]

And I don't know how long they get for lunch where they, they have time to eat, knock out an episode of, of a Netflix show, and then cap it off with a coffin. I mean, it's not like normal labor. And I've done labor. I was a janitor for years during the summer. Right. If you wanted to catch a couple of Z's, you know what I would do? I would go in the handicap stall in the bathroom at the school and just. And just put my arm on the thing and catch it a 10 minute, you know. But it was uncomfortable. Like the position that I was in to get a nap didn't allow me to sleep for more than 9, 10 minutes because it was uncomfortable. This is. Bro, I laid out. The guy had his shoes off.

[A]

But I hear what you're saying.

[B]

Took your boots off for lunch. What do you get?

[A]

What do you think they get? 40 minutes, 45.

[B]

It might be two hours. The way these guys are behaving.

[A]

I don't think it's quite that long. But it seems like it because you're seeing it, man. Like my. When I had worked on in my house, this threw me off too. They would leave for lunch. When your workers leave the property, that's, that's. You get this feeling, are they coming back? Holy. Like where they going? But if maybe they go on a nap in the parking lot, wherever they're having a sandwich, it's better. I'm not saying it.

[B]

I'm not saying it. That's what I'm saying. Don't make it come back refreshed. If you want to go and take a nap, go in the car. Put the seat back. This is like. And then when I walk by, it's like. There's no, like, there's no flinching. Not the. Oh, it's the homeowner. Maybe we could should like not act like we're using his covered patio as our master bedroom. Sorry, Primary.

[A]

Well, put a positive spin on it. Be like, these guys are working so hard for me by Lunch. They can barely keep their eyes open.

[B]

I would like to say that, but based on the fact that I haven't had a kitchen since June. Yeah, they ain't working. This is January, right? So what's going on?

[A]

Are walls being knocked down and shit?

[B]

Like, the pace again, this is. The pace in which people move nowadays is so slow, it's mind numbing to see someone work. If you look at someone work, I've seen it. You ever go into a store and you're waiting in line to cash out, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And you're looking. I've seen this at cvs, Walgreens. You're looking at the guy move, right? So it's like you're checking out. There's a notebook, and then you get the. No phone. Dude, Dude. There's no intention behind it.

[A]

It should be.

[B]

It should be. Dude, dude, dude. 6.99. It's just. It's just like. I know. It's like barely. It's a Barely moving, bro. Barely moving, man.

[A]

I saw it at Atlanta Airport on my way home last week. Starbucks does this a lot. If you're in the right ones, it's packed. And nobody behind the counter is moving at a pace that would indicate it's packed. They're just same pace. And here's the problem, bro. Somewhere in between when you and I were growing up and had those kind of jobs until we got into our careers, and now in between there, somebody, somewhere, one of these jobs woke up one day and said, why? Why do we bust our ass? It doesn't lead to anything. We're always just gonna. This is just what the job is. It's all slow down. And the whole industry, it all just slowed down. Every aspect of it, from getting coffee to a gas station to just any mundane thing. Everyone was like, there's no. There was. There's no reward for being fast and good. So fuck it.

[B]

Well, listen, again, I go back to parenting. I'm cursing a lot, too. I've noticed that in the last two episodes. But this goes back to upbringing, okay? When I was doing something with my father in the garage, like, I was helping him, right? And he told me, go inside and go. Give me some water, right? Whatever it was, go inside, go get the scissors, okay? The way it was said, automatically, I knew I better have these scissors back quickly. Just the way it was said, he'll give me the scissors. Like, the way he said it was fast, it wasn't. Hey, son, can you give me the scissors inside? It's in the drawer next to the stove, it was. Give me the scissors. Oh, shit. All right, now, while I was getting the scissors, if I couldn't find the scissors, I knew there was an internal clock in my head that he would come in and open up the door. What a fuck is his scissors? You're like. It would be like there was an intention, right? And that intention bled into whatever I did when I was working, right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

When I was waiting tables. I was fast. I was in on. Because I had that ingrained in me as a kid, that you got to get stuff quick, right?

[A]

But this is what happened along the way. Somebody. Somebody said, I'm not gonna get the scissors quick. Let's see what happens. And nothing happened. And then he told everyone else. Now nobody get. That's. It doesn't matter what. Like. Like, you know, and these. These meaningless job. Meaningless jobs, jobs that don't need skill or blah, blah, blah, or like an education of any kind. You can just be trained to do them. All of a sudden, they also go, and we want more money because someone's got to do it. So. So it's really quite wild, you know? It's like all of a sudden, one day a plumber woke up and said, why is my salary any less than a teacher's or a doctor's or like. Like, you know, and everybody rightfully so, right? I mean, I can't fucking do my own pipes. And then also with that, let's not work as hard too, because let's all just relax a little bit more and the whole world just slowed down.

[B]

Have. Have we failed as far as. Like, again.

[A]

It wasn't really. It's got to be taken out. I don't like to talk in this area. I sound like a goddamn idiot.

[B]

No, I don't. I don't. I think we're going over something that no one's really touching on, because growing up, if you did any job, there was like, all right, there's advancement within the company, right? Like, if you. If I knew when I worked at Fuddruckers, if I did good as a busboy, they would bring me up to expediter. If I did good as an expediter, they would bring me up to cashier, right? There was like a general like, oh, if you do good, you get more pay and more responsibilities within the structure of the company. All right? So now is it just like, I'm making coffee and I don't want to be manager. I'm just happy sitting here pulling the lever every day, making the coffee, going at a pace that I want to go at, right? And if I get an advancement, fine. But I'm not here for that advancement.

[A]

Who's going to advance me? There's nowhere to go, Kathy. Down there, I'm going to work the espresso machine instead of this machine. There's no way to go.

[B]

I would say you become what you start doing. Drive thru. Maybe now you got a headset on and now you're taking order. Drive through, going to go to manager of the store, then maybe then you go to regional manager, then you go to this and then you go to that. No, I don't.

[A]

I want that guest on the cast, the one who started out at Starbucks, you know, doing not much, and then all of a sudden now they own a Starbucks. Is that a true. Is that. Has that happened?

[B]

Well, I mean, I mean that used to be like the success story. They started at the bottom, now they own the company. Where is that? See, I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries, then the grill. A year or two, I make assistant manager. And that's where the big bucks start rolling in.

[A]

Just two years, eh?

[B]

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[B]

Okay, what did you pull up here? Workers comply exactly with instructions, ignoring intended spirit to expose poor management.

[A]

This is called malicious complaints. Compliance.

[B]

This is called malicious compliance. Is this a thing?

[A]

It's a cultural thing, yes.

[B]

Okay. Last two generations is apparently a cultural thing. For instance, if order to log every minute, including breaks, they do so excessively, bogging down the system. This tactic thrives in micromanaged environments, creating plausible deniability while sabotaging. See, this is what I'm saying, bro. You can't even run a business anymore because if you want it done right, they go, oh, you want it done? They'll go above and beyond and write down every freaking thing they did. And yet. And now the coffee's cold.

[A]

Right? Right. I think the best way to get the most out of your work is you got to be working with them. You got to tell them they're doing a good job and just be a part of it, man, and pay them well. I mean, I don't know, bro. Did you see? I don't know if you guys watch this kind of stuff. Do you ever watch Shark Tank? This, this was, this, this was absolutely disturbing. There was a guy on Shark Tank, a young guy, really smart, right? He was played for the Colgate men's basketball team. Colgate Ivy League, right? Smart kid. And this is, like, early 20s, just graduated college. And he was promoting an app where when you're at the airport, he's like, because we travel a lot. And when we would travel, I'd get to an airport, I wouldn't know where to get food. So if we had an app that said you punch in the airport, you're at where to get food, and it tells you how close food is, you know? And me and Jackie are sitting there, like, there's a map at every airport that does that, by the way. You can just do Google Maps. So the people started pointing that out, you know, to all the shock people. They're like, well, there's an app, I really don't think, you know. And the kid's like, I worked. I'm making fun of him because it was on national tv. He was crying.

[B]

I worked.

[A]

He's doing this, right? I worked really hard on this. On the back of the bus and away games and on weekends, I worked. And they're like. And the guy's like, listen, I know you worked really hard on it, but, like, you're a smart kid. And what are we talking, a year? You worked on it. You just graduated college, you're dating. I gave up a lot of my time. It works. Listen, you gotta. And it was getting disturbing. And then when they finally made him leave, he's like crying. Yeah, you gotta see it. It's disturbing. And the one guy is like, to the other sharks, what's going on? They're like, this is how the youth is today. Then he goes in the back room and his mom is there, right? And she's there to hug him. And he cries into her chest. I went really hard. Mommy just don't get it. Oh, you'll.

[B]

Someone will figure out. They don't get.

[A]

And I'm like, you're coddling him. If that was my son, I'd be like, you're crying in front of Mark Cuban.

[B]

You're crying.

[A]

I didn't know Colgate. What am I raising? Like? And it's like, it was just an epiphany of, like, all kids today. Like, they worked really hard for a short period of time and wanted it all and was mad when he was told no. So if you can find that Patrick. It was really. It was eye opening.

[B]

This kid missed the title of the show. The title of the show is called Shark Tank, right? You're swimming with shark. It's not called Minnow Tank.

[A]

Don't feel sorry for yourself. Go get the job done.

[B]

Oh, my God, there he goes. There he goes. There you go. You want a participation trophy.

[A]

I don't want to say that this.

[B]

Is a millennial stereotype, but, see, See.

[A]

Millennial tough love broke down. I'm sorry I had to make you drag it out. But, yeah, he goes. His mom hugs him.

[B]

Yeah. So listen, bro, this is the problem right now. It's like, yeah, I know people put a lot of work in. Maybe they'll. Maybe that avenue don't work out, and maybe they pivot, they do another thing or, you know, that. That failure becomes a success somewhere else. It's.

[A]

It's just.

[B]

That's. This is what I'm talking about, man. No one is willing to put in the work. And is it just that we have so much more lazy people in the world than we do? People who are motivated to succeed? Is that it? What I'm seeing out there is awful. Everywhere I go, it's awful. Whether it be I'm taking an Uber, right? I'm taking an Uber, and the guy is talking on the phone while he's in the Uber or he's, you know, doing. Radio is loud, the windows are down. Like, it's like. It's like nothing is right. Nothing's right.

[A]

That's funny you say that, because when I get in. In an Uber, I have one last week where it was the opposite. Guy kept his car beautiful. He even did that thing with a. Moved the driver's side, front seat all the way forward so you have room. He was wearing driving gloves. His car was spotless. And my thought was, this guy. This is all weird. This is a little weird. You know, Like, I wasn't even. That's appreciative. As I should have.

[B]

Sorry. Interrupt you. That's the. That's the problem. The guy is going above and beyond your expectations, and you're calling him weird. The guy. The guy who's eating a Big Mac in the front seat while he's driving an Uber is all of a sudden that's the norm?

[A]

Basically speaking? Yeah. Oh, God, yeah.

[B]

So Patrick pulled up the right to be lazy in 1883. Socialist. This is what everybody's rebelling against. This is why nobody likes capitalism. Because if you make it to a position where you're fortunate enough to have a business and hire people, those people say, fuck you. We're working bare minimum, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Maybe I'm maybe. Maybe out. No, I'm not. I'm not work.

[A]

Well, then you got to create the.

[B]

Hammock off the hooks get the hammock off the hooks.

[A]

Well, yeah, you gotta, you gotta get down there with a bullhorn, bro. You gotta be like, why is this taking so long? Why aren't you screwing that nail in? Why isn't he. I'm banging that nail in. What's going on? I mean, that Walmart made a ton of money because he designed a business where all I need is the very least you're willing to offer. Like, you ever see someone working at Walmart barely move. He's like, that's all I need.

[B]

Just bail.

[A]

Just, just put the on the shelf and get out of the way. That's it. I don't know what's going to happen to all those people when the AI comes in and takes those jobs. Like then what happens? And then they're going to tax more money at everybody who is working because somebody's got to feed the people that aren't making coffee anymore that are now literally doing nothing.

[B]

The people have made it easy for robots and AI to take over. Right? I can't wait till I have seven robots working here. I can't wait to have seven robots doing everything I need to do. Robot, come here. It comes here. No attitude, no eye roll. Yeah, you know, no. What did you call it? The slowly quitting. What is it?

[A]

Malicious compliance.

[B]

Malicious compliance. Thinking robots. Got that? No man. Robot, come in. It's just east here 24 7.

[A]

That's the thing, even when you're sleeping, you want, you want a room painted while you're asleep. And Lana's like, what's that noise? I programmed the robot to paint the living room. It'll be done according to my app. It'll be done by about 4:30 in the morning so it won't even smell like paint by the time we get up for breakfast. Oh my God. Then it's gonna finish painting, it's gonna put the paint, clean it, and it's just going to turn around, go right out into the backyard and mow the lawn. Just non stop working my robot into the ground. You come over, my robot's going to be hot to the touch at any time, right? Oh my God. Be fantastic, bro.

[B]

Right? They don't take breaks. There's no lunch, there's no I got to go on vacation. I got to put the time in that, that, that, that, that, nothing. Just constantly moving around the house. And then if you want, if you don't want them working, you just unplug them. Ba boom.

[A]

Oh, I think it's, listen, that's like when you grab when your grandmother comes to visit, don't worry, I'll find something for her to do.

[B]

There's always something.

[A]

We used to load her up with knitting. My grandmother would knit. What do you mean your robot's not gonna work? What, are you gonna give it a rest?

[B]

Fucking burn that shit.

[A]

Run it into the ground.

[B]

Everything. It's gonna do everything. Yeah. So. But the people have made it so hard for you to hire people. We have screwed up as a society, and people are like, oh, the robots are going to take my job. Yeah. Have you seen the way you work?

[A]

Have you seen the way? Yeah. Oh, but I love the fact that you're like, listen, the people designing robots, literally, their motivation was like, these people are lazy. We're going to have to make these things ourselves. Like. Like they were coming anyway. You know what I'm saying? No matter how good well we got, we could program a robot to do that, but, you know, Frank is just crushing it. Look at him. We don't need a robot.

[B]

No, I would. I wouldn't mind Frank if he was.

[A]

Sweating at the end of the day. Yeah. But when Frank goes home to eat with his wife, your robot is still at it.

[B]

Still.

[A]

I mean, that's production. That's insane. That's. You can't beat that. So, by the way, before we forget to discuss, that was the greatest football play I have ever seen in my life. I just. I couldn't believe what I saw. I couldn't believe what I saw. Were you guys going nuts?

[B]

So we had people over for the Bears game. I don't know when this is airing, probably two or three weeks after the game. So they played the LA Rams in Chicago. The Bears have been notorious all year for coming back in the fourth quarter. This was their eighth kind of comeback of this, you know, within two minutes of the game. And Caleb Williams was backpedaling at least 20 yards. I think he went to the 40 yard line to throw this thing. He threw this thing. And they scored and they. They went into overtime. And unfortunately, the Bears lost. By the way, a little update on the tickets, because a couple episodes ago, we were talking about me getting denied. We went through a different source, and that source was able to get two tickets in a suite for me and a guest. I had to turn it down because I did not want to watch the game without my family. Okay, so it did get two tiny, beautiful. Here is. Okay, go ahead and play. It's 50 seconds long. This is the end of the game.

[A]

Oh, I gotta see this. Oh, my God. That is Freaking awesome. That is. That is why NFL football is so freaking great, man. You have those moments in your living room. That's a freaking commercial.

[B]

That is a memory we'll never forget. Although I just have to mention the dog is chained to the door. We did not have the roaming policy.

[A]

Can I see that again? Yeah, I gotta see this. Oh, look at this.

[B]

It's chained to the door.

[A]

Oh. Can't even join in in the fun. Oh, my gosh. Is that the Petunia one?

[B]

No, this is Luigi.

[A]

Oh. Luigi's not even full bore off all the time now.

[B]

He can be, but coupled with Petunia, especially when there's food and people jumping around, it's just too much with the dogs. Too much. So we strapped them up. But yeah, it was an unbelievable season for the Bears. Am I a fair weather fan? We've discussed this last time. Yeah, well, I hopped onto the Bears bandwagon mid season, I'd say. And what got me into the Bears is not necessarily the Bears, but my son's passion for football. We watched the national championship game, Indiana, Miami. Did you see that?

[A]

No, I didn't watch that, actually.

[B]

Okay, so he is getting into football and we are consuming a ton of football. All right, now my question to you is, I don't know what we're going to do after the super bowl because he doesn't like real basketball. Hockey. Are we going to get into hockey watching it on tv? Probably not. So basically, between now and the beginning of the season next year, there's a big gap. The World cup is coming up, the Olympics are coming up. There's going to be moments.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's your take on the NFL taking such a big gap of time off in between this? Because the next time we're going to see football is September. Don't you think it's too long of a gap?

[A]

You know, I like the cycle of everything. Because first of all, what you're talking about now, it's like the dark period in America every year. It's like, like you said, football's over. Even college basketball. March, man, this is still about a month and a half away. At least, if not two months. Right? So, like back to your original thing about working hard. I always felt like this is the time in America, like January, especially right after the NFL till. Till at least mid March. Just there's nothing else to do. If you got a job or you're a student, whatever it is you do, just sleeves up. Sucks. It's cold. Just do it. Just get it done. Get it Doing the weather starts getting nice. We'll start to. And as far as the NFL, bro, These guys, two things. One, we watch this shit so intensely, it's got to end. Otherwise, we'll never have a Sunday off. People, like, they're insane, some of these people that watch it. And two, these guys, it's crazy. They need to. Their bodies need to heal. It's unbelievable what they go through. These guys are warriors, Absolute warriors. That guy you like, I can't butcher. His last name is that.

[B]

But by the way.

[A]

It'S feeling more like postseason.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Which is now for them.

[B]

The season's over. He's on the line. Do we have contact with him?

[A]

We have contact with him. Okay, cool, cool.

[B]

We'll get one on. Guy on the show, you bring up. I got the screenshot. One second. I'm a nun guy. Talk about work ethic. Oh, my God, man. Talk about work ethic.

[A]

What was that? What was that?

[B]

Yes. Hamstring. I get these, like, hamstring spasms, bro.

[A]

It's electrolytes. Any more electrolytes?

[B]

Manangai, his parents are from Cameroon, right? Immigrants came to the United States. And the way this guy runs, you could tell he was raised by an immigrant family. The work ethic, the way he hits the hole, the guy don't stop. Right. I think that's directly attributed to his parents ingraining in him. Get the scissors.

[A]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

Right. And when we interview him, we're gonna bring this up. Does he attribute his work ethic to his immigrant parents? Because I guarantee Manangai had a job when he was 12 years old.

[A]

Did he grow up in Cameroon, you think, or. He grew up here.

[B]

He grew up here, from what I understand.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. He'll go through a brick wall. He's unbelievable, man.

[B]

Yeah. They don't tackle the guy. The guy don't go down every time he hits the hole.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's standing like, they have to blow the whistle. It's like, all right, it's over.

[A]

I wanted to ask him about that because I saw that on the first play of the game with the same thing where he did. He just. Still standing, but he stopped going forward. So they blow the whistle. Is that like. Does that make you. As a. As a running back? Are you like, guys can't even get me down, or is that just a coincidence that you didn't. I feel like it's a big thing. It's like a Can't even get me down.

[B]

I feel like when the whistle blows and the entire team is around you trying to get you down. And the referees, they're at a point where it's like, all right, guys, you failed. He's still up.

[A]

Let's blow.

[B]

Still up. Dead right, Right. You can't get as a defender, you got to walk back to the huddle and go, jeez, the guy don't go down.

[A]

It's really. He's a beast, man. He's going to have some career. I tell you, though, I'm not. I'm going deep with my jets next year. I'm getting heavily involved because you're saying about the fair weather thing, and I'm inspired by you with the Bears, but I just decide notes. It is hard to not love this Josh Allen, man. I mean, this guy is so easy to root for. Holy shit, does he put on a show.

[B]

So have you gone full Bills?

[A]

I. It's like, it's like, I can't go full Bills, man. I'm a Jet fan. But, like, when they're not good, like, can you say you're a fair weather fan? When my team is not good, when they're already out of it by Thanksgiving, by Halloween, what am I. What am I supposed to do? Like, when they're one in eight and they have a game on Sunday, I go, go jets for what? So, like, then, when they are good and I cheer for them now. Now I'm back. Well, because now there's something to cheer for. I don't understand why that makes me fair with a fan because I. I don't know what my behavior is supposed to be. When you're not good.

[B]

No, this is. This is how I look at it. These fans that are there through thick and thin. I was there when The Bears were 1 in 15 and I went to the game at the end of the season when there was nothing to cheer for, I was there. There's these people out there, right, that are mad at people like us because. Where were you? When. Where was I Hanging out with my family.

[A]

Yeah, so. And every year I'm. I'm in on the jets beginning. But some years, like, you know, like right now, next year for you, it's exciting. You got a great quarterback. We literally don't even have a quarterback right now. The guy we were going to take with the number two pick, he stayed in college. He's like, I don't even want to be a Jet. I'm going to stay in college and make 6 million in college being a quarterback. So, like, you know, we can't even let college players know we have what pick we have, because then they'll stay in college if they're afraid we'll go to Pickle.

[B]

Well, I know that's what these. A lot of these college players are making more money in college now than they would ever make in the, in the NFL. So my point is here. And yeah, we're coming off a really great season. I tell you what, bears are 1 in 5 next year. Start the season. I'm done. I'm out. Oh, that's how fast. One in five. You're still in.

[A]

You gotta, you gotta, you gotta, bro. It's a clean slate. I'm gonna do it next year with the Jets. You do it with the Bears. No matter what, be in, be in, be in. So that when they make it back and they're in playoffs, they're calling you, they're calling you. We want to come do the coin to us. Bring the kids, bring the wife. We got a skybox for you on the 50. The whole thing. You would add when we were one in six, you would ask, saying, I still believe. Come talk to the team in the locker room. All of it.

[B]

No, there was no. I didn't, I didn't see anybody at the game. They didn't pan anybody in a box. Oh, look at who's here. You know, Harry Carey's son. I mean, nobody was there. They don't do that. The Bears organization apparently doesn't reach out and do any type of public relations with any native Chicagoans who are fans. So it's just the way it's set up over there. And, you know, although I did get a couple of tickets, I don't know where, if it was through NBC or some tickets became available. My dad was upset, and my dad's upset that the stadium is full when it's nine degrees. He's. He can't even wrap his head around who would go and sit in the stadium at nine below zero and pay for pay to do that? Right, That's. Yeah, that's. That's. There are 60,000 people in Chicago that would go outside pay to be there and watch a football game. That's mind boggling to me. No, in nine below weather, I don't.

[A]

Even know what you would wear. I don't know what. It's just insane. You got even your college. You should do that one too, man. Get deep into that one. Root hard for them next year.

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College, bro. Yeah, I'm not getting one. I'm not one of these guys that you go over to his house and he goes, you Know what that is?

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There's.

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There's these guys out there too. You know what that is? No, what's that? That's a seat from the old soldier.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Big fans out there, man.

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