Xavier Leroy (creator of OCaml) is an expert in compilers, formal verification of software and functional programming. This interview should be an approachable resource if you're curious about formal verification of software since I was learning that on the fly during it.

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Podcast links:

• YouTube: https://youtu.be/9Cswiqrq6So

• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835

• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/creator-of-ocaml-functional-programming

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:43) What sets OCaml apart

(04:39) OCaml vs Rust

(07:57) Why is manual memory management more performant

(11:21) Javascript vs OCaml

(14:00) Famous Rob Pike quote

(16:05) Type inference and how it works

(22:12) What is formal verification and how does it work

(40:07) What made multicore support difficult for OCaml

(50:17) How programming languages interface and call each other

(57:41) The danger of almost-correct LLM code

(01:05:39) How LLMs will change programming languages

(01:10:26) Industry vs academia

(01:15:05) Most interesting unsolved problems

(01:18:30) Top book recommendations for engineers

(01:21:17) Advice for his younger self

(01:23:31) Outro

Where to find Xavier:

• Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Leroy

• Website: https://xavierleroy.org/

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Referenced in this episode:

• CompCert verified C compiler: https://compcert.org/

• seL4 microkernel: https://sel4.systems/

• Programming Pearls (book, not an affiliate link): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201657880

• How to Design Programs (book): https://htdp.org/