Judea Pearl is a Turing Award winner and a pioneer in artificial intelligence and causal reasoning. We talked about how he got into science, his major breakthroughs and his predictions for AI today.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(00:54) How he got into AI

(11:17) Greatest scientist of all time

(20:15) What people thought of AI in the 80s

(26:23) Entering academia and researching AI

(34:52) The invention of Bayesian networks

(46:28) Pioneering work in causality

(55:38) The causal hierarchy

(59:34) LLMs and predictions

(01:20:12) A restless mind pays

(01:24:36) Advice for his younger self

(01:26:37) Outro

Where to find Judea:

• X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/yudapearl

• Website: https://bayes.cs.ucla.edu/jp_home.html

• Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_Pearl

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Referenced in this episode:

• The Book of Why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Why

• Bayesian networks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_network

• Alpha-beta pruning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha%E2%80%93beta_pruning

• Pearl vortex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_vortex

• Graphoid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphoid

• Causality: Models, Reasoning, and Inference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_(book)

• Coexistence and Other Fighting Words: Selected Writings of Judea Pearl, 2002–2025: https://bayes.cs.ucla.edu/COEXISTENCE/