GOATS, Flaws, & Glory: The Unbeatable Debate on Who's Really the Goat!

Summary

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The Power and The Punchline

Episode: “GOATS, Flaws, & Glory: The Unbeatable Debate on Who’s Really the GOAT!”

Hosts: Mick Hunt & Rudy Rush

Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In the fifth episode of “The Power and The Punchline,” hosts Mick Hunt and Rudy Rush bring their signature chemistry to a fierce, hilarious, and thought-provoking debate: Who is the true GOAT—Greatest of All Time—in sports, music, culture, and more? Setting out clear criteria for greatness, they dive into what it means to dominate your era, deliver gravity-defining moments, and have cultural impact. The duo goes well beyond the basketball debates, touching on icons like Serena Williams, Michael Jackson, Muhammad Ali, and even the best TV dads and most memorable song lyrics. Expect laughter, sharp opinions, plenty of stats (“my stats are the truth”—Mick), and the kind of friendly heat possible only among family.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Defining "GOAT": Criteria and Overuse

• Origin and Popularity: The term exploded in hip-hop thanks in part to LL Cool J’s 2000 album “G.O.A.T.” (04:07), and became a cultural shorthand for excellence across fields.
• Criteria Outlined: Mick and Rudy agree that true GOATs set a high bar through
  • Dominating their era
  • Delivering signature 'gravity moments'
  • Longevity and consistency
  • Cultural impact ("do people who never saw you still know your name?") (09:28)
• Quote:
  “We don’t set bars high enough. No rap pun intended.” – Mick Hunt (05:02)

The Basketball GOAT: Jordan, LeBron, Kareem & Beyond

• MJ vs. LeBron vs. Kareem

  • Heated Debate: Both hosts present strong factual and emotional cases for their picks.
  • Jordan’s Impact: Argued as the globalizer of basketball and undisputed 90s king.
  • LeBron: Praised for handling unprecedented expectations and surpassing the all-time scoring record.
  • Kareem: Lauded for dual dominance (NBA and college), and the cultural reasons he may not receive due recognition.

• Quote:
  “Jordan ruled that particular time when he first got in the league in ‘86. But the GOAT—as great as he was—he never even won until the 90s.” – Rudy Rush (15:57)
  “Mike today makes more money off his name, image, and likeness…his mom is the GOAT for negotiating his deal.” – Rudy Rush (15:35)

• Kobe and Dr. J:

  • Kobe’s inclusion as a GOAT debated; Mick calls out posthumous revisionism (11:46)
  • Dr. J’s ABA/NBA legacy gets due, but why he’s overlooked.
  • Memorable Moment: “Dr. J is not in the top 10… but if you use his ABA stats, he’s like number four.” – Rudy Rush (13:18)

• Consensus: Ultimately, Mick picks Jordan (19:00), Rudy leans LeBron/Kareem (19:07)

GOATs in Other Fields

Tennis: Serena Williams

• “No competition. Serena dominates. She checks all the boxes.” – Rudy Rush (05:33)

Boxing: The Ali vs. Tyson Dilemma

• Muhammad Ali: Praised for revolutionary cultural impact, big moments (Foreman fight), and era dominance.
• Mike Tyson: Mick’s personal GOAT (24:47), for terrifying dominance and “changing the game,” but Rudy points out Ali’s story arc and depth.
• Quote:
  “Ali, you know what, that’s something we all agree upon. I like Muhammad Ali being the greatest...because there’s not a perfect resume there. There’s cracks in the armor.” – Rudy Rush (26:13)

Women’s Rap

• Championing overlooked legends:
  • Lil’ Kim tops Rudy’s list for raw lyricism and impact.
  • Missy Elliott, Queen Latifah, Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, Lauryn Hill all get nods.
  • Quote:
    “The number one female rapper of all time…is Lil’ Kim. She had some of the most raw bars and some of the most memorable moments.” – Rudy Rush (28:56)

Female Singers

• Unanimous GOAT: Whitney Houston
  • “Nobody brings it home like Whitney.” – Rudy Rush (31:53)
  • Dolly Parton, Mariah Carey, Gladys Knight get honorable mentions.

Cultural Icons

• Dave Chappelle as the defining GOAT of recent cultural commentary, praised for his multi-layered influence and boundary-pushing comedy (33:40)
• Others considered: Oprah, Mandela, MLK, Malcolm X, Tiger Woods pre-scandal.

Rappers & Lyricists

• GOAT Debates: Biggie, Nas, Ghostface, Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Most Def.
• Lyricism: Mick names Andre 3000 his lyricist GOAT – “Pure art. Just standing with a mic and flow.” (38:09)
• Quote:
  “Unlike basketball, hip-hop, you can pop around the criteria. They pop to different people.” – Rudy Rush (37:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Cultural Impact:
  “If my kids didn’t see Jordan, didn’t see Ali, but everybody know their names…That’s GOAT status.” – Mick Hunt (09:57)
• About Goat Debates:
  “As long as you can defend, explain, and have facts, you could be right.” – Mick Hunt (50:00)
• On TV Dads:
  “Uncle Phil ain’t play that.” – Rudy Rush (43:04)
• Music Mount Rushmore - Song Lines:
  Mick and Rudy build Rushmores of memorable lyrics, from SWV (“Whatever it is that you do...”), to Busta Rhymes (“Look at Me Now”), to Michael Jackson (“Out on the floor, there’s nobody there but us.”) (47:03–49:19)

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Time-stamped Highlights

• Defining GOAT & Criteria: 03:47–10:10
• Jordan vs. LeBron & Other NBA GOATs: 10:13–22:04
• Boxing GOATs (Ali/Tyson): 23:24–27:04
• Female Rapper GOATs: 28:40–31:27
• Cultural GOATs (Chappelle et al.): 32:44–34:06
• Rapper/Lyricist Debate: 35:22–38:41
• Rudy’s Top 5 All-Time GOAT Debates: 39:02–45:19
  • Michael Jackson vs Prince, MLK vs Malcolm X, TV Dads, Hennessy vs Crown Royal, Beyoncé vs Diana Ross
• Mount Rushmore of Song Lyrics: 46:02–49:29
• Concluding GOAT Philosophy: 50:00–50:36

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Conclusion: What Makes a GOAT?

The hosts settle on a few truths: context and criteria matter, there are always flaws in greatness, and “goat” is a term best used for those whose excellence is undeniable AND explainable. As Rudy says, “It’s healthy to have these debates. As long as you can defend, explain, and have facts, you could be right.”

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For anyone who loves firmly-held opinions, sharp humor, and passionate perspectives across sports, music, and culture, this episode delivers a full-court press of both power and punchline.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hey, what's up? Welcome to the Power and the Punchline. This is where the power gets honest and the punchline actually means something. We talk leadership, culture, influence, and real life. No fluff, no filters. I'm Rudy Rush. Let's get powerful.

[C]

Rudy.

[B]

What's up, man?

[C]

We made an episode five, bruh.

[B]

Are you serious?

[C]

Yeah. Episode five. Five. Welcome to the Power of the Punchline. Episode five. We made it. And we're ranking now, too.

[B]

Are we really?

[C]

Yeah. That means y' all like us. Come on. And we appreciate you more than you know. That's what's up. Big conversation, Episode five.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Special conversation.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

The term goat, greatest of all times, and I'm gonna put an emphasis on the word greatest. Not goodest.

[B]

Not.

[C]

One of the young folks there used to say the 6.7est.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

None of that.

[B]

None of that.

[C]

We talk about the greatest. I think a lot of times that term gets overused because we don't think about. Great.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What do you think?

[B]

I think so. I mean, honestly, you know, it's something fun to play with.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's all down to personal opinion now. That's where people get lost in their emotion, in their. You know, they're just their energy towards the debate. Because the debate is just that it's your opinion and people have goats. I'm a goat because I'm just.

[C]

Why are you a goat?

[B]

Because I consider myself that. And that's the beauty of goats. Like, you can consider yourself a goat, and then one person needs to call you that. And I'm gonna go back a few episodes, but you called me that, and I become a goat.

[C]

I called you a goat.

[B]

You did.

[C]

Hey, we gonna delete that.

[B]

You did. And I ain't even flinch. I was like, yeah, true that.

[C]

No, he is my goat because. Yeah. Cause we're gonna debate, probably.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because that's what we do naturally, as friends. We can talk about it. You talk through emotionally, sometimes irrationally. I do. I'm all about stats, though. So we can argue, we can debate. If I don't pull up Numbers you don't know like I do.

[B]

I'm a little afraid because today's a little different. I think today's debate is going to be a little heated because, you know, normally we get to the same place or at least understand, but this is going to be something where you stand on your side and I'll stand on my side because we just totally don't agree on some of these debates that we're going to have about the goat.

[C]

Well, I'm usually right. Because you are.

[B]

Till you're wrong.

[C]

So we're family, right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

And we do debate.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We have fun a lot. We like to argue in a good way. Healthy arguments. Not totally, but I learned from you, the great educator that you are, because, you know, I'll come with stats. I'll be silly a lot of times, and then you just come with wisdom. So sometimes I do got the shit. I can.

[B]

Yeah, you're like, stat. Hope you got all the stats. But you have some interesting stats. Your stats are really staggering. Honestly.

[C]

My stats are the truth.

[B]

They are. But you know what? Some people don't have an idea that those stats exist. Your stats are not the running the mill stats. You get your stats somewhere from somebody on a call in the. In the envelope.

[C]

Hey, so you never took any impression to booking you? No, just me.

[B]

Just you.

[C]

All right, well, Chad. Dp Pookie. No, I'm just joking. So before we start, though, or as we get into it, let's just talk about the term goat. Yeah. Where it became popular.

[B]

Oh, man.

[C]

Song in the late 90s, early 2000. Albumass by New York Song.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Queensbridge.

[B]

Queensbridge. Queens Finest. Queens get the money. Not to be confused with Harlem, by the way. But yeah, Queen's cat definitely made the acronym a popular thing that people still to this day. And we are right now debating.

[C]

The album was called the greatest of all times. It was Goat Cool J. Shout out.

[B]

What up, man?

[C]

Shout out to my team over at FUBU as well. Who I think the guilt when we talk about culture starters.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Who else? Yo, all can.

[B]

I was kind of dope, but you know what? All can. I was important, but Fuku definitely laid the groundwork. And continue.

[C]

And continue to have brief kiss.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[C]

No plural. The greatest of all time.

[B]

Lockaway. The greatest dipset Clothes all the time.

[C]

All right, so. So let's go to the closet then. You got Aqua wearing the closet? Nah.

[B]

No, not much.

[C]

You got.

[B]

You better not.

[C]

But I basically got Fu Wu.

[B]

Yeah, I do have some food.

[C]

Then the debates that's what I'm talking about.

[B]

Shout out to fuwu.

[C]

Yeah. Shout out to you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right, so go. You know, I look at it like this. I think we don't set bars high enough. No rap pun intended.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't think when we set bars high enough, I think we all know what average looks like. And I'm not saying that anything that we call goat is average, but sometimes really, really good. And what hit wonders, whether that's sports, whether that's leadership, whether that's music, whatever. Sometimes we can have a phenomenon and we call that the greatest. And I think for me, great means you set a standard, you raise the bar and you have longevity and consistency.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What about you?

[B]

No. Let me tell you something. There's one goat that comes to mind. And out of all the goat debates, this is a clear cut, no competition. I don't think this person has had any challenges. And that person is Serena Williams. Like in her field, she has dominated for years, been at the top of her game and I mean she just checked all the boxes that you just named and really there's been not one person to rival her in her field, even in women's sports. And she actually enters some of the goat debate when it comes to the men as well. She's considered one of the greatest athletes of all time. So her is a no brainer. But everybody else is open for discussion to me. So no, I think everybody who's in the goat debate has a chance to lose that debate, to lose that crowd, to lose that title. Huh? There's no way.

[C]

I agree. I agree. I also think again, it doesn't matter if it's sports, if it's music, if it's business, if it's culture. I think there are a few things too. Did you truly dominate your era? Right. Did you dominate her? Not have a good run? Dominate? Because again, you can't be the greatest one if you didn't dominate her ear.

[B]

Now, do you have to dominate the entire time? Because, Dave, we're going to talk about some people who actually dominated the whole entire time. They're not even in the goat discussion. I'm going to tell you that right now. So we got some people with some big names that we're going to hear right now that dominated at a point but didn't dominate the entire time that they have been in that particular field. Just keep that in mind as we go forward. I like that.

[C]

So then let's go to this part too. So you dominate an era and then also Think you need to have a big gravity moment. Like, you need to have that moment that everybody can point to in your greatness.

[B]

So now that's going to be a distinction that makes it a little bit easier to kind of judge or give somebody some extra points. Now, all of the people we talk about have moments like that, but some people have just like, unworldly moments that really separate them. And if you using that as the criteria, then they may again, in fact.

[C]

Be the goat dominate your era. Have that big gravity moment. And some of these goats might have had a couple, right? Like some folks, some teams, some people have had moments.

[B]

Well, I think it's just like, wow. I think like, Bobby Brown left New Edition and nobody else could survive that but him. That's a. That's a goat move. But it's either go. When people say it's R. Kelly, they use all different types of people to describe, like, the king, the greatest of all time in R and B. I don't know if Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston said it was and people laughed at her, but sometimes you gotta think. New Edition was a super. One of the best groups of all time still to this day. And Bobby was like, I'm going off on my own. And he made his way. He made it bigger than New Edition. It's either go.

[C]

So I think we need to have a chat with all the new additions. Shout out one of the best to ever do it. But I ate it.

[B]

All of that up. But that was.

[C]

Did Bobby leave?

[B]

Bobby was thrown out.

[C]

Okay, that makes it worse.

[B]

That makes it worse that you had to go and scratch and survive. And I think he kind of left. It was almost a mutual thing. He wasn't happy and they weren't happy. So they parted ways. Either way, he came back and became more popular than the group he was actually headlining tours with them going on before him. Or sometimes and vice versa, he would go longer. It doesn't matter. It was one of the greatest exits other than Michael Jackson, really, by the way, didn't leave the Jacksons still touring with them. People sleep on it. They like, he went solo. Yeah, that's a whole album. Going solo is like, I see y' all later that Jermaine Jackson, the name went so to make his hair. That's the what.

[C]

But no, you're right. Mike was getting checked.

[B]

Yo. People don't understand that.

[C]

I saw that.

[B]

I was like today years old almost when I found out. I looked at it. I said, he never left his family. They was still going on tourists, man. Big shout out To Mike.

[C]

Yeah. And then I think the last part for me when we talk about greatest is did you have cultural impact? People that never saw you?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Do they know your name?

[B]

Well, I'm going to be honest with you. You cannot be in the goat debate today with us and not have that criteria. It's a part of it. So I'm not saying scratch it, but everybody we talk about today is going to have some kind of cultural impact on whatever sport, music, whoever we talk about, they're going to have that because got to have that.

[C]

To me, if, like, my kids didn't see Jordan, my kids didn't see Ali, but everybody know their names.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Right. So I just brought up mj. I think we're going to go ahead and start with the.

[B]

Let's go straight here because that's like.

[C]

Let'S not pull it back.

[B]

Yeah. This was the most popular. Let's start at the top. Get it out the way. Michael Jordan.

[C]

We got to get it out.

[B]

Well, not getting out of the way. We're going to be on and then we can trickle from there. But Michael Jordan is in one of the most heated debate conversations ever about the goat status. He is called the goat. The greatest of all time in basketball and maybe even sports history. But we're going to stick to basketball right now because he does have some competition in that category.

[C]

How do you find competition?

[B]

Well, when people actually have.

[C]

Because he debates.

[B]

One gentleman was just killed over a debate between the man LeBron James and Michael Jordan. So people are getting to the point where it's so heated, where someone's life is taken. You really gotta take that into consideration. Yeah.

[C]

And so I think it's fair to do this when we. When we talk about goats, because we are having debates, right? Yeah. It doesn't mean that the people that we say aren't it. If we debate that doesn't mean that they're trash, that they're wrong. That also means that they are great.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

In my opinion, there can only be one great test because it's not the greatest plural of all time.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[C]

And so I want that to be very, very, very clear up front when I go with fact tonight. And I'm going to win and I'm going to be right whenever we debate, like, some things we're going to agree on and we'll be good, but it doesn't mean that whoever Rudy says is just not good. I mean, they might not be the greatest like my person or people will be, but hey, so MJF LeBron, why are we leaving out Kobe?

[B]

Well, I'm gonna be honest about Cole and I, you know, you know, rest in peace. Cole, he was a great player, but before his. His untimely demise, he wasn't even brought up in the goat debate. He was not even in the top 10 in the league. And you know how we are much like Tupac, when someone passes, they are thrusted into this category. And so I'm not taking anything away from Kobe. Look, Kobe is not and was never considered the goat till after he passed. So I'm gonna keep him out of the goat debate. But you are talking about it. You are. Yeah, I am. But you. You can bring them in and you can give your points and all your little, you know, little anecdoting things to make him seem like, if that's what you want to call it.

[C]

Facts.

[B]

Be careful with them. Facts. There's. There's some facts on a few guys that we're about to talk about that kind of outshine code. So just go ahead with it. Be careful, bro.

[C]

I just say that we not going to bring code in the car, respectfully. If we're going to bring money, I'm not bringing some other names too, right, Because I know. Because we're family, right? Like, we have real conversations, real cool conversations. I know, for not just you, but.

[B]

A lot of people.

[C]

I would even say For Michael Jordan, Dr. J was their goat at that time. Because you talk about ERA domination, you talk about cultural impact, you talk about longevity, ABA and NBA titles. So I think it's fair to bring in a Dr. Jeff, a Kobe, a LeBron, an MJ, a Magic, and a Bill Russell. Oh, my God.

[B]

So now I'm with you 100,000% on the Dr. J point, which people out there need to understand this. Do you know Dr. J is not in the top 10 of all time, scoring in the NBA, but if you use his ABA stats, he like number four. He got over 30,000 points and four championships instead of the one that he won.

[C]

I'm a stat guy. I'm not Hardingwood.

[B]

So any other names? You're absolutely right. He never. And the thing that you're going to be very surprised about, we can debate it first, but maybe I need to throw this other name.

[C]

Out.

[B]

LeBron James has the scoring record. Let's talk about it. See, people don't want to talk until it's time to talk. You see, your boy got quiet.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. Your boy's handling now. Listen, don't confuse quiet with them, Bobby. Getting that.

[B]

Look, check out these pictures of the reason why. I know. See that? See, that's me in high school right there.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? I'll give you another. That's me as well. No, that's me, bro. Up in the air.

[C]

Which your boy?

[B]

The one in the air and the one looking down.

[C]

The one of the best. Oh, you had hair.

[B]

I'm dead flat top.

[C]

But yo, I'm.

[B]

Which means I'm certified. I'm actually able to talk about this subject. And there's people out there who will back me up. So let's talk about it.

[C]

I.

[B]

Who is your goat? Let's talk about that. Because you gave a list.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I just felt like those are people that could and should be in a conversation based on the criteria. Right on the criteria. Now I'm gonna choose my one.

[B]

That's what we asked for. Stop feeding that person. Stop feeding. Oh, my God. There was seriousness.

[C]

Sometimes I dream. Yeah, that he is me.

[B]

Really? I'm going to cry for you right now, man.

[C]

I dream I move, I dream, I groove. You knew Mike could groove too. Like, if I could be like Mike. I mean, you got on a pair of Nikes right now.

[B]

And what's that mean?

[C]

Oh, Bob, did you run track?

[B]

I did.

[C]

Action. Hacky was attraction. We all seen. There we go, man.

[B]

So.

[C]

So here we go. Here, here, here's. Here's what I'm saying. Brock has longevity. Reem had longevity. We had obsession.

[B]

I totally believe that.

[C]

You know, he did this. Mike today makes more money off of his name image than likeness.

[B]

His mom is the goat for negotiating his deal. She should have negotiated everybody else's. Now, listen, Mike didn't get the deal that he got. Who's to say? Because Dr. J honestly had the most popular shoe at the time. But they didn't have one. They didn't have like the engine of the 80s. The 80s was one of the biggest.

[C]

The most popular shoe was a brand Converse Ramp.

[B]

But I'm going to tell you, the 80s, pre viral. Everything was going viral in a different way in the 80s. The 80s was the best time. You had the best movies, the best food, the best inventions, everything. The 80s was a blast. The 80s was a time. And Michael Jordan ruled that particular time when he first got into the league in 86. But the GOAT, as great as he was, as entertaining as he was, he never even won until the 90s. So that right there kind of defeats the ghost.

[C]

That's his fault. Four years, five years.

[B]

Let's go Six. Yeah. First, it took half a year to finally, halfway through his career, he won a Titan. And so what I'm trying to say is Kareem was winning titles in Milwaukee and he was also winning titles in la. He's got one less title than Jordan. Actually. I believe he might have the same amount and he's got as many. He's got. No, listen, he actually has the same amount. He's got the same amount as Jordan. Six titles. He's got five MVPs. But the problem is he actually won three or four college championships and just won college championship freshman year.

[C]

He hit the shot.

[B]

Oh, Jordan. But Kareem has multiple college.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

I'm sorry. Yes. And also high school championship and scoring records and other things of that nature. He just didn't have the demeanor. Plus, you know, in society. I'm going to be honest with y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Y' all acting as if he wasn't crucified because of.

[C]

So you spent of all time.

[B]

No, because the voters wouldn't have given it to him because he's prickly. He's one of those people who doesn't count out to. And not that Jordan did, but Jordan was a really friendly guy. And Jordan was a whole American Pie kind of kid. You know what I'm saying? Coming from the low country. Humble beginnings. Both parents, NC tar hero like Jordan had the smile that was winning people over. He was gracious. He wasn't the friendliest guy, but he wasn't being by far. You never knew what you were going to get with Kareem and the fact that he turned into Islam. It was the whole. And especially at the time that he did it was the most pivotal time in America to do that.

[C]

If you knock this coming.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not this.

[B]

So a lot of people, they're going to change the narrative. They're going to change the stories to kind of dictate. I love Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is great. It's the reason why I went out there and emulated him him and played on the court. He's one of the fantastic players that we've ever seen any very well could be the best.

[C]

Sun Coast. Here's the deal. Would you say you keep breathing hard? It's okay.

[B]

Why you paying attention to my breathing? Because that's when Apple Apple health. Now you apple watch.

[C]

That's what I do. If you were to say because Sports Illustrated did it in the late 90s, the greatest athlete of all time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Athlete. Forget score.

[B]

Athlete.

[C]

Who's number one. Okay. So if we have to, then Go to basketball at that time. If you're going Kareem and mj, who you going?

[B]

Who you picking?

[C]

I'm going mj. That is my goat. And we're not even talking about LeBron, who I think is an amazing player.

[B]

LeBron is one of my goats. I actually have LeBron slightly ahead of Joel. And the reason being is that LeBron was the only player in history. And Maybe even Shaquille O' Neal wasn't highly as touted as LeBron when he came out. Being a number one draft pick himself, he wasn't poised to win a title and actually take his team to the championship. Although he went to the finals and lost to the Houston Rockets, LeBron was actually talented. The king, the chosen one, and he didn't disappoint. No one has come into the NBA with more fanfare, more pressure, more expectation than LeBron James. And he's proven that he is one of the top players of all time, if not the player of all time. All the time.

[C]

One of. I got you, but the goat is it. So 10 scoring titles.

[B]

Chad, don't pass.

[C]

Somebody has to put the ball in the hoop. So the objective of basketball is to be. Is to score more points than the other person. That's. That's the objective. Defensive player of the year.

[B]

As a guard, you know, that's a. That's a fantasy stat.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Defensive Player of the year is something that they pick and they choose. You see, Rudy Gobert just won defensive player of the year and the brother was put on the bench in the finals because on the playoffs because they couldn't utilize him because he wasn't so defensive player.

[C]

So let's take vanity stats out of that.

[B]

Yeah, please.

[C]

Thank you. Argue me and debate me. This.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

This is my long arm movement. So we can change topics so you can have.

[B]

Oh, that's okay.

[C]

Go ahead. Makes you not a grip. Yeah, that Mr. MJ. You know, on Atari, Otis say, you know.

[B]

Oh, man, I forgot about that part.

[C]

Yeah, that's a big part. Change the game to a global brand. Don't m me. Because that is cultural impact. Like that is cultural.

[B]

Did he.

[C]

Yes, he did. Yes.

[B]

Or did the U.S. green team and.

[C]

Who did they need to make sure they solidify for the Dream Team?

[B]

Let me ask you this question and be all in all honesty. In all honesty, really? In all.

[C]

I've been honest with all seconds.

[B]

If they formulated a Dream Team and by chance Michael Jordan said no, thank you.

[C]

Yeah. They still would have won. No, no, no, no.

[B]

They not only would have still won. It would have still pushed the parameters of basketball. Maybe not as high as it went. Because Michael Jordan's presence. I'm not going to. I'm not going to discount him. It helped tremendously. But basketball was well on its way with that dream team. If Mike wasn't on it, actually, he would only be doing himself a disservice. And he would be less talked about as the goat had he not done that. If you think. If Michael Jordan would have passed out and you think he would still be revered as highly as he is.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

That's absolutely false.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

You forget what.

[C]

Who's on drag team, too?

[B]

I have zero idea.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

No, the goat is over.

[C]

It is mj. It is mj. Because I'm giving you facts and facts. Cultural. Cultural icons.

[B]

Hey, I'm with you. I don't want a problem. Mike, I love you. So I think you are definitely goat ish. Like, you're there.

[C]

No, no, no. There is no goat ish.

[B]

He's not the goat man. But go ahead. We can. We can keep it moving.

[C]

He is the goat. All right. But it doesn't mean that the other people are. Are trash or not good or not great. Like, I love LeBron James. Like in this day and age that we're in. In tweets with, Every single person in the world is a journalist. Every single person in the world is their own media company. There is nothing negative you can say about LeBron James.

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

I just saw something.

[B]

Hold on. I'm sorry, folks. I had to do it. So I saw your list of the top five go people. This is in order for this guy. And this will explain everything about our good friend, Mr. Nick Hunt. At number one, you have Michael Jordan.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

And number two on your go list is Vince Carter. Number four is Sam Perkins.

[C]

Number four.

[B]

Number five is Rasheed Wallace. All about North Carolina. He went to North Carolina. And he's in Tar Heel. So, of course, this is a debate that you can't have.

[C]

You want me to say Grant Hill?

[B]

No, Grant Hill is far from that. But Grant Hill should have won that Rookie of the year by itself. Let's just go to that.

[C]

No, Grant Hill was a great. He would have been in the conversation.

[B]

We could do a whole topic on this, a whole show. We gotta move along. Who else have we got goat in the. In the goat world? I mean. Wait, let's do this. And I know I'm gonna throw the curveball your way. Who is the goat as far as boxing? Because the self Proclaim goat the greatest of all time. I am the greatest. Muhammad Ali, is that your goat? Oh, I knew that was gonna get you. Because everybody watching those. That the goat requires you to have certain things, like statistics that say you never lost and all relevant. Loss doesn't mean that you can't lose. It doesn't mean that you can't lose. But at the same time, multiple losses and different things are required to be the goat. Is he the goat to you? Because if it was that easy, you would have just answered, yes. But everyone around the world considers his man a goat. Not only the impact that he had on society, which really puts him in that pantheon, but really does his boxing career put him there.

[C]

So I go to my criteria. Did you dominate your era?

[B]

No.

[C]

Okay. Did you have big moments of.

[B]

Some of the biggest.

[C]

Some of the biggest. When she has cultural impact.

[B]

That is without saying that he created the word or the term cultural impact because of him.

[C]

And so therefore, my goat of boxing has been and will forever be Michael Tyson. Air Mike.

[B]

That was. That was.

[C]

Dominated his hair.

[B]

Oh, that was wild.

[C]

Dominated his hair. Cultural impact.

[B]

I don't know if it's a big, big moment.

[C]

Big, huge.

[B]

But you know what? But his biggest moment wasn't. Wasn't a win. And that's. That's a problem.

[C]

Agree.

[B]

So that you have to take off the board. Now. The person I'm considering his biggest moment was where everybody, including the people in his corner, thought that he could not win and he won. And it plays in a time where that man thought. No man, woman or child thought that he would beat George Foreman. That he did in such a magic.

[D]

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[B]

Today, the faction you keep playing this. How about I'll leave you that little brother that's child of entire west. I'm looking at you all high like, oh, honey.

[C]

I'm not going to lose.

[B]

I don't lose. Oh, my gosh. But Ali, you know what? That's something that we all agree upon. And I like Muhammad Ali being the greatest or being the goat, because there's not a perfect resume there. There's cracks in the armor. So in order to be this goat, that means you have to be scarred. You have to Been through something, come through. You have maybe lost a time or two, and you came back and won again. Like the goat. Means so many different things. And that's one of the things. And I hate to go back to basketball. Basketball really quick, but LeBron James is ridiculed for only winning four titles, but he's been there 10 times. Michael Jordan can't say that the man has 30,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, and over 5,000. Nobody has stats like that. But we're going to move forward because LeBron is not my. I'm with Kareem. I'm just saying that Muhammad Ali, we.

[C]

All know big floor and they like knocking anybody out.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

Right. Who else do you like?

[B]

Oh, so boxing. You know what? I'm a big Bud Crawford fan now, you know, and he. And he snuck up on me because I knew about him, but I really didn't know to what degree until he started these past few years, going up against some of the top competition and winning and, you know, and I met him a few times. Real cool dude. But he's very technically sound. I like Roy Jones Jr. Not as a goat. If he had the potential to be. If he had started losing towards the end of his career, I think he would be highly considered. So there's a few guys that are out there who never lost that I never even knew lost, but I won't even consider that a go. It's only a few. And Floyd Mayweather, I have him on the top five.

[C]

Definitely top five. Oh, yeah, Definitely top five.

[B]

That's a beautiful place to be.

[C]

Tyson just kills again. Fat. Like, I mean, there was so much, so many moments. He's 1A, Ali is 1B for sure. Roy Jones Jr. You ever saw Roy and you can say prime Roy, you can say even late career, like not last few years. Late career boy got prosecuted make.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

You almost forgot. If you know, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, so let's go to another big topic. Big topic. We're gonna go music. I would define it by error or genre because I got a feeling I don't want to step on your top five. Although I don't know what you're talking about.

[B]

You gotta step all in there when you talk about music because there's a few people.

[C]

So let's go here because I want to give people credit that don't get in some goat conversations out these. Okay, so if we go goat. Female rapper.

[B]

Wow, that's a good one. Now, you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you. People are gonna disagree. You have the Queen Latifahs out there. She light is a strong.

[C]

You know who Ryder is?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

It's like brat. Tap, tap, ta. I need to. The next snapback.

[B]

Brad is probably top five or right outside of it at six. No, look, I'm telling you right now, the number one rapper, female rapper of all time, in my opinion, it's Lil Kim. Lil Kim has had some of the most raw bars and some of the most seductive songs or most memorable moments in female rap history. You want to rumble with the beat, huh? Put a hex on your whole family. Money, power, respect. I can love you with Mary J. Block. You've been on your Ninja Honda with Tanisha and Rhonda. What?

[C]

And see, that's one of those things where when we say greatest, it doesn't mean that everybody else is back. No, because there's an argument that can be made. And as long. And this is. This is also why I love these topics, because as long as you can argue, you can be right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? And I think that should be healthy. And that should be.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, I believe that, too.

[C]

So you got Lil Kim.

[B]

Yeah, Lil Kim is up there for me. Foxy Brown is close on the list. You know, Nicki Minaj got to get some respect, too. She's had some moments, but she spits some bars. Latifah's on the list. You know, my, my, my goose is about 10 women that can really, you know, switch positions at any given time. If you put.

[C]

Because we also need to talk about somebody when we talk about dominated an era. Yeah, because, you know, hip hop evolves so quick, and rap evolves so quick.

[B]

Right. Like, yeah, styles change.

[C]

There was an era where Missy Elliott was fired. You were not tough. Like, like, Mitzi Elliott made dudes when they get up and dance.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

Like, Missy Elliott made thugs from Harlem when they go up. No, that's about all Missy Elliott. Harlem want to fight.

[B]

Not so till thug. That's a difference. It's like, all the time, right? We didn't have that, right. No, no. But no, Missy Elliott, for me, was very talented. Had some of the greatest dance songs or, you know, music to kind of get pumped up to. But I just never saw her as a rapper.

[C]

I.

[B]

Because she was sitting so much on the songs and she came from a singing background. I just saw her as a singer who just got some hip hop beats and made them dope. So that's just kind of how I saw Missy Elliott. But she's on the list she could put her on the list for sure. But you could also put someone like Lauryn Hill on the list because of her time with the Fugees, you know what I mean? And so, I mean, she's a beautiful rapper. People gonna put Lauryn Hill in the top 10 goals of female rap, for sure.

[C]

Female singers.

[B]

Oh, man. Hey, man, that's a. That's a tough one. But you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you. Somebody who was bad to the bone and probably could sing circles around anybody. Exactly. Dolly Part. Dolly Hill. No, stop, man. What you talking about? Crystal Gail. Who else, man? You know what I'm saying? Let's do it, man. Since you went over to the other side, you know what I'm saying? Got interracial thing. You just listen to that kind of music or something?

[C]

No, they come up.

[B]

Listen, listen. Oh, my favorite. The top singer of all time, even though Dolly is. She could be on there in some other world, but she could. But honestly, the goat for me, and I think a lot of people out there, and don't be surprised, not really. Whitney Houston, number one. And you got others that fall short and closer to each other, like Aretha, Gladys Knight, there's a few others, but who can sing and bring things home. Like Whitney. I don't think anyone has ever done quite. Mariah's up there, but not quite like Whitney Houston. Not Whitney Houston at all. Yeah, Whitney's my little conversations I'm talking to.

[C]

Because y' all don't even know the conversations we have when we're not in front of you.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

All right, so this one is important. The goat, cultural icon. And when I say culture right here.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm talking about us goats. And I want everybody that's watching, if you listen, I want you to think through this, too. Who is the goat who.

[B]

The culture of the culture right now, period. That's tough. But I'm gonna tell you right now, one of the goats who are. If, you know, you think about this time, then the last 10, 15, maybe even 20 years. I want to say Dave Chappelle, he covers all the bases. The funny, the comedy shows, the specials, the tour, the controversy. Just the mystery of Dave Chappelle, because he's a bit of a mystery. Won the Mark Twain Award. Like, there's a lot that goes along with Chappelle that a lot of people, you know, they. They. They gravitate towards. And he's liked by many people. Not just black, not just white. You know, even people who despise him, they. He brings Something out of people that, you know, you haven't seen in the last 20 years, like, that's it. So, I mean, I think he is. I don't know who was. Donald Trump is a polarizing figure, but he's not well liked amongst most people. And, you know, it's a lot of controversy behind him. Dave. His controversy is what happened during that period where he supposedly went to Africa. And, like, you don't see a lot of things like that. He's not. He wasn't on Epstein Island. Nothing crazy else going on. So I would say Chappelle for sure.

[C]

I like that. I'm sitting here thinking of Rushmore culture icons. Listen, and the pop. Dave Chappelle's face up there with who. Where my hand was going was, is it a Oprah? Is it a Nelson Mandela? Is it a Martin Luther King? Is it a Malcolm X? Is it a Michael Jordan? Dave Chappelle is in that conversation.

[B]

I'm going to tell you this, the person who got their face chiseled off and wouldn't have been nowhere near a debate to have against Tiger woods if Tiger didn't go through the situation. He went through and continued to win and dominate the field like he used to.

[C]

Would he be the greatest?

[B]

He would be not only the greatest, he would be the most cultural guy in the history of this world because he was well liked until that situation happened. And now he's just living in obscurity. You hardly see him. It's always something wrapped around this and that. He was at the top of the mouth. He was eating off the top of the Mount Rushmore and he just fell off. Never seen that type of fall off in the history of cultural sports. He fell off.

[C]

I do lie.

[B]

You do like wine.

[C]

How do you just wake me up?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I learned. I get wisdom. All right. I don't know if this is in your top five, and if it is, we can just go to your top five.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Greatest rapper of all time.

[B]

Greatest rapper all time. That's a real tough one because, you know, that's layered. You know what I mean? And the older we get, the more people fall off that list. You ever notice that? You know, remember there was a time that Eminem was on that list for about five or six years and he just is nowhere to be found right now. Claire Su says, me, I think he's made. He might still make the top 10. He might crack the top 10. But at the same time, he used to be at the top. He was the very top of the pyramid on some People's list for about five, six, maybe even more years than that. Do you agree or do you not?

[C]

Oh, I totally agree. I just don't think he's falling off, though, because we're saying greatest of all time. Like, at some point, everything stops for a person, Right? Jordan doesn't play anymore, and we both know he's the greatest.

[B]

I think Kanye wasn't actually.

[C]

Serena doesn't play anymore.

[B]

I think Kanye west actually surpassed Eminem. And Kanye's not the best. So I'm not saying that, but you do have people, you know, you got to look at. You know, now you have the businessman and Jay Z, and let's say.

[C]

All right, so. So let me reframe that. Yeah. The greatest lyricist.

[B]

Oh, well, Shock, that's still not. It's still not him. But Big Daddy Kane, you have. You have a few others. I like Big Daddy Kane. My list is a little different. It's not even for shows consumption. I like Ghostface Killer and people like that. I like Most Def. People who don't even get mentioned in the top 10. Most def is ill. You know what I mean? So I'm just like, there's a few people here and there, but that's a tough one. But if you go for the favorites, you got Biggie. It's always at the top. Biggie's a great lyricist. I mean, some of those things that he put together gave people who may have the shot hope.

[C]

I don't think it's ever happened.

[B]

I stayed Coogee down to the south rings and watched deal with Roberts. Come on, man.

[C]

Biggie did it again. I'm not saying he was not great.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

The greatest.

[B]

Yeah. Now. And you know the thing about hip hop, unlike the basketball, you could pop around all of the criteria, they pop to different people. Cultural icon. That's every day, all day. Tupac Shakur. But, you know, you got the other thing. Who dominated in their time. Ella's one who dominated 20 years being on top till that one banned episode of CSI Miami. I don't know what's going on. Queen Latifah took herself off the list with that equalizer. I'm like, you're supposed to be doing what with who?

[C]

I'm just gonna. Since you didn't really want to name one, he named, like, Fitz. All happened to be from New York, by the way.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[C]

So I think. I think that Andre 2000, that's what's wrong.

[B]

He could be on the list. He's. Let's talk. Let's Talk.

[C]

So migrate. There's the one B. But I'm gonna just give you my great. And I think, oh, when you look at lyricists, maybe like lyricists, I'm talking about you just standing with a mic and flow. I'm talking about the pure art. Like, I think the racist.

[B]

I can't debate that. It's considered. But some people will say Nas is better. Lyric maker. But I feel like his body.

[C]

So when I said 1A and 1B. Nasir.

[B]

Okay, that was your next.

[C]

That was.

[B]

That was a good one. All right. That was a good one.

[C]

You got the top five, apparently.

[B]

Are you ready for it, brother?

[C]

I am ready for the top five.

[B]

Excuse me. Come grab my.

[C]

One of us is always younger brother.

[B]

You know what? I'm going to get my. This is the young versus the old. This new school versus.

[C]

Wait, you need to change the glasses.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Let's see here. All right, this is Rudy Rush's top five.

[B]

Yes, man.

[C]

So everybody knows when I'm on stage, a lot of times, like, I'm in a fugu suit. And this is a shout out to Fubu Suits. Fubu Suits is representing this top five.

[B]

Okay. Thank you, Fubu very much, Mr. Damon John. I'll be looking in the mailbox this evening for that check.

[C]

Oh, no, it's not that. No, we just need to finish their name.

[B]

Pick that out of it. Edit. Edit that out.

[C]

Okay. Shout out. Coolie suit.

[B]

So listen, today I got y' all hooked up. We talked about all of these goats. Of course, you know, my top five is top line. Top five goat debates of all time. All right, now this is more. This used to get more clicks if there were clicks back then. Okay, Michael Jackson and Prince, absolutely. That was a huge goat debate. And we can just debate that real quick. I honestly feel like Michael Jackson was bigger than Prince, but Prince definitely held him down and was a cultural icon. But man to life, the legend, the myth, all of that stuff. Being a child prodigy and all that stuff. Michael Jackson was just way too much not to be a goat compared to Prince. Prince did his thing. He gave Mike a chance. For people to think of Mike as not the goat. That's the greatest accomplishment that Prince made. You think that Mike could be surpassed and he couldn't. There you go. Stop breathing. Yeah, we were checking mys earlier. Number two. Number two. You're going to like this one because this guy is really into his history. Go debate. Who is better, Malcolm X or Martin Luther King? Martin Luther King Jr. To be attacked. That was always a debate because they both were striving for similar things with different styles. One by any means necessary, the other one peacefully, and, you know, kumbaya. But who's the better?

[C]

So we can't say better.

[B]

Well, who's the goat?

[C]

Who's the goer?

[B]

Out of those two, you gotta pick one.

[C]

I didn't pick the first one.

[B]

Oh, well, I don't pick the first one.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

So I think I thought you agreed on the first one. You was gonna say, president, don't breathe because you're, like, with the butt cut out. Oh, man. Catch up.

[C]

Nah, I was just saying because I had this conversation, and Prince is much more than people not shout out to Marlo Kemp. I got you. Because Marlo and I debated this, and he's Prince all day long, and he gives me all the facts, but I can't unsee the things I saw with him. Jay, when. When you introduce a whole new form of dance moves. Okay, so. So we did agree.

[B]

Yeah. Let me tell you something. What is that? I was working with Sadhguru.

[C]

You were able to talk Tony Khan.

[B]

No, I was working with Sadhguru. She said the funniest thing about Michael Jackson, which was absolutely true. She said, Michael Jackson is the only man that can come out and stand on stage for five to 10 minutes straight. And people just lose their mind while he was just standing. Anybody else? He on drugs.

[C]

Jamie Foxx said in one of his fan notes, yeah, you used to pay back in the 80s, $500 for a ticket to a Michael Jackson concert, and that was your rent money.

[B]

You gave it all up from Michael Jackson. So now we talked about Martin and Malcolm, and I need a little quick, you know.

[C]

Yeah. My answer. I'll be quick because I know it's your top five that I'm gonna dominate. But that's not the same optimism.

[B]

No. The agent, they both equally important.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But at the same time, we got laws changed.

[C]

We got the bill passed.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, you got a whole.

[C]

Street and everything and every. Every violence. Every violent street in America.

[B]

I might want to come back to this one because this one is. I had a fight at a party with a bunch of women about this one. They didn't like my answer.

[C]

The best stripper.

[B]

Nah, nah. I'm gonna come back to it. Okay. I'm gonna skip three and go to four. Uncle Phil and Carl Winslow debate. Who is the best TV dad?

[C]

Man, I don't know. Shout out to my cousin Jackson, to my grandfather if you know. You know, sheriff. But everybody wanted to be a doctor. A Lawyer or something like that.

[B]

So I'm gonna go, Phil.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I'm Uncle Phil. I'm going.

[B]

No, I'm gonna go, Unc. I like Carl, but he used to, like, really, like, he used to be a little goofy.

[C]

Right?

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, not respectable. Yeah, Uncle Phil ain't play that. Now, listen, this is for the hood, because here on this show, we try to take care of everybody.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So the number one debate. Number five debate. Hennessy or Crown Royal? Ow.

[C]

That's not even a debate. No Crown Royal guy should give you a bag, bro. Every time I was worried about, like, if, you know, as a matter of.

[B]

Fact, probably got a sweater made out of Crown World bags.

[C]

Don't judge me. I'm a key. I'm just saying right now. I know 5,000 people watching this episode got Crown World bags. Own them, not know where they're at. Got them own Crown Royal for the win. No, it's not even in the win. No.

[B]

You know what? It is, But I feel you. Crown Royal is winning, but Hennessy in the hood is definitely all good and bad. There's a lot of Henness. All right, this is the number. This is the number three, which I have to wait to the last. And I got into some beef with it, But Beyonce and Diana Ross, who is the goat out of those two? Because those are mirrored careers they both share, which I feel Diana Ross is the best because I feel Beyonce copied everything that she did. Everything that was the blueprint for her was Diana Ross, and Diana Ross was a better actress and so many other things. But what do you think? Beyonce or diagnosis?

[C]

I remember when we were here recording a couple of weeks ago, and somebody sitting to my immediate right said they swore if they had one do over in life, it would have been to tell Beyonce, hey, I'm right here. Well, so if that is the case, the answer is Beyonce. Because you just messed up. If anything were to ever happen with HOV and Beyonce, you just messed up. You can't even go back in time now. So I'm saying Beyonce, before you say.

[B]

This, she can get my attention saying this so I can get her. Beyonce can come back to me. No, no, no. Beyonce is fantastic, but Diana Ross was a stomp. She was a.

[C]

Yes, if you can debate. I like those. I like all of those debates because they're debatable.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Except Hennessy in Crown Royal. You said in Crown Royal, we could argue.

[B]

Who is that? That's somebody who graduated from high school.

[C]

Shark his.

[B]

Oh, man. Man, listen, this is when you partner up with somebody who got too many sponsors. They don't tell you about the checks. Ain't nobody supporting that Shannon Sharp hooch.

[C]

Well, y' all can't see what's over there. But. But if you were to say that versus Crown. We can't have a crown. Everybody's got crown. Go buy a bottle of Crown and pork Elm with Dre. Just for the.

[B]

Okay, well, now we really gotta get to yoga as. Now, to do really yoga, you must have a sit on that.

[C]

Well, no.

[B]

So. Okay, here we go. Mount Rushmore time. What we got?

[C]

Okay. So we talk a lot about music today. Yeah, man, I've really been waiting for this because I have this debate in my head weekly. The Mount Rushmore of music, lines of song. Lines. Like not the whole song.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not a whole bar.

[B]

I'm with you.

[C]

That's Rushmore.

[B]

I'm with that because I like stuff like that.

[C]

Yeah, no, that's. That's like.

[B]

Yeah. Come on.

[C]

I'm just gonna tell you what it is sometimes.

[B]

Yeah, I like that one because I got one. If you allow me to get one in. But I'm gonna let you do yours.

[C]

I'm not gonna ate this one album. And at some point, I would just like to have my own mouth. Rushmore. I don't have a top five. I barely pick up anymore. I can't talk about my favorite drink.

[B]

Do you read the comments from my show?

[C]

I do.

[B]

I've stolen it right there, but go ahead.

[C]

I saw that.

[B]

This is yours. This is all yours. I'm not going into being.

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I love you. All right. Mount Rushmore of Music Office.

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Yeah.

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Let's start with my first SWV week. Whatever it is that you do when you do what you're doing, you know how that makes you feel.

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Okay. Okay.

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That's a good one.

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I like that one. Keep coming. Got three more.

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I got three more. If you think you're long, we not.

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Yeah, that's. That should have been.

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Wait until tonight. Yeah, that's.

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That's a nice one.

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Sorry, Andy. Some of these lives save you places. You just gave me one that was on my list and I was almost gonna have to tell you. They. Quiet. What's that? Heartthrob Netta Black. Ugly as ever.

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However you got to the snobs, Denise. That's a good one. That's a very memorable one.

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And then number four. And I know I'm leaving a lot off and I know you're gonna have more. And this one. This one isn't a lie. This is a whole takeover.

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Okay?

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Busta Rhymes, Heart. And look at me now. Because it's all one breath. So it is all one line to me. Yeah. That. That is what I'm listening to. When I walk out on stage in my head.

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Yeah.

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When it's time for me to close a big deal, I go. And I'm banging on the east, and I'm banging on the west side. I'll never get more because they'll never give you less. Like, that is me. Let's go. That is my Mount Rushmore. If I had five, it was gonna be no Vaseline.

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Oh, wow. That's a good one, bro. That's a good one. I'm with that. You know what I mean? I'm more sensitive type, you know what I'm saying? Wow. You deal with a lot of violence and a lot of dead ants. Yeah, yeah. Vaseline is very violent in so many ways. But no, if I'm up right here, I'm gonna hit my man. Who's the goat of all, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson. I believe it's on the off the Wall Sound album. And basically, out on the floor, there's nobody there but us, Girl, when you dance, it's a magic that must be loved. He's saying to his lady and fellas, you might want to do this. When it's a crowded party. You tell your lady I want the floor. There's nobody there but I said, hey, it's just me.

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Hey, Justine Mania.

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What are you saying? Yeah, what he said. You just see me and somebody else.

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Ladies and gentlemen, you're not.

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That's how women think. You'd be like, yo, Boo, it's just me. Like, I'm talking to Doug. Mike. Hey, yo, it's just me and you out here. Ain't nobody out here but me and you, Ma. You know what I'm saying? You all I see. That's what Mike was telling his lady.

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He was. He was.

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That was a dope line, brother.

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It was okay.

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And the other one I like, since we're doing it.

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Oh. Takeover.

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Yeah. Take over. Wan. Yeah. Mama.

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Mama.

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Booting my. All right, now. Let's get out of here.

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Nickel. This. This went.

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I'm not a musical guy.

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Started great with the Goats. We know that. You were not let go see it.

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No, not.

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You're not Lego secret. Maybe not even Lego.

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Big Dap on Bobby Womack, though. That sucks. He could have put that on there twice.

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Call nine or two.

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Yeah. Let go.

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Yes, sir. And there were a lot of songs. I mean, there were a lot of lies on my songs. I had some internal debates because I could have made a list enough from the tank songs too. Like tanks Take Gotcha.

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Yeah, Ten Cats and Joints.

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Thank God. Thank God. Oh, I guess I'm get you outta here. Is this. Yeah, it's healthy to have these debates. Just make sure that whatever it is you talk about dominated an error. Make sure that there was some cultural impact and make sure that there were big moments. And if you can define that, then have a healthy debate, have a healthy argument. Because as long as you can defend, as long as you can explain, and as long as you have facts, you could be right. So MJ's the goat. As always, thank you for being here. On the power on the punchline. If you like it, let us know. You got a topic you want us to talk about, let us know. Get us out here.

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Hey, listen, see y' all next time. And you can see the go at Rudy Rush and check out this guy watching my page. Yeah, big time. I need some of his share, brother. Share.

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Who put up a shout out to you all like Aya.

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That's the power and the punchline. If this episode hit, do me a favor, rate it, review it, subscribe. That's how we keep these conversations coming. Power moves the room. Punchline makes it stick. I'm Rudy Rush. See you next time.