406 – The Longest Time - The Prancing Pony Podcast

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Sean (0:00)

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James (0:02)

Well, that's cool.

Sean (0:03)

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Sean (1:11)

Good evening, little masters, and welcome to episode 406 of the Prancing Pony podcast. Where of this podcast two things are

James (1:18)

said though which is true only those wise could say, who now are gone. Folks, pull up a bench in the common room and join us. I'm James Tauber, the sage of the south, and I'm here with a man of the west who laments that all things must then fade and perish forever. Alan Sisto.

Sean (1:34)

Have a shiny green gem I could borrow? Might help these gray hairs from multiplying or at least from falling out. Something like that. Folks, join us as Celebrimbor gets Friend Zoned. Maybe as we near the end of our six part look at the history of Galadriel and Celeborn.

James (1:50)

I guess Friend Zone is better than Unfriend.

Sean (1:53)

Well, Friendzone is better than poke through with arrows, but yeah, true.

Summary

The Prancing Pony Podcast: Episode 406 – "The Longest Time" (March 29, 2026)

Episode Overview In this in-depth chapter of their ongoing exploration of Tolkien’s legendarium, hosts Alan Sisto and James Tauber delve into the tangled histories of the Elessar—the Elfstone—focusing on multiple variant tales of its origins, powers, and its journey to Aragorn. The episode highlights the labyrinthine nature of Tolkien’s world-building, the shifting backgrounds of characters like Galadriel and Celebrimbor, and offers a linguistic and historical deep-dive into the Sylvan Elves. As always, the hosts deliver erudition with warmth, wit, and the approachable spirit that makes the Prancing Pony feel like a favorite pub.

Main Discussion Points

1. Introduction & Setting the Stage (01:11 – 02:31)

The hosts set out to discuss the convoluted traditions behind the Elessar and its link to Galadriel and Celeborn, noting this is part of a six-episode history arc.
James sets a welcoming tone:
“No matter whether you came to Middle Earth through the books, the films, the TV show, or something else, each of you is welcome here in our common room.” (01:58)

2. Reading Tolkien’s “History of the Elessar” – First Version (02:31 – 07:20)

Sean reads an extensive passage from Tolkien’s notes (as published/edited by Christopher Tolkien) detailing the making of the original Elessar by the jewel-smith Enerthil of Gondolin, its passage to Idril, then to Earendil, and its powers of healing and restoration.
The episode explores the idea that looking through the Elessar lets one see things “as they were in the grace of their youth” and bestows healing.
Debate revolves around whether the Elessar that ends up in Galadriel’s hands is the original returned by the Valar or a second, newly created gem.

“...those who looked through this stone saw things that were withered or burned healed again, or as they were in the grace of their youth, and that the hands of one who held it brought to all that they touched, healing from hurt…” (03:55, Tolkien’s words via Sean)

3. Digression: The Fate of Enerthil and Tolkien’s Shifting Canon (08:06 – 09:36)

Discussion of Enerthil, the one-off jewel-smith, and how often Tolkien would “retcon” his own lore, with Enerthil being supplanted in later versions by Celebrimbor as the Elessar’s maker.

“Tolkien must have changed his mind.” (08:30, James)

4. Parallels with the Silmarils & Elvish Mindset (08:43 – 11:22)

Comparison between Enerthil’s and Fëanor’s crafts: both try to “capture and preserve” beauty.
James: “It’s certainly the mindset of the Noldor, right? To appreciate the beauty, but then want to somehow capture it, preserve it.” (09:14)
The hosts reflect on elvish memory, pondering if elves can remember infancy, and the melancholy of being immortal in a fading world.

5. Variant Tales: How Did Galadriel Receive the Elessar? (14:13 – 24:05)

A. The First Version (the “Returned Elessar”)

Olorin (Gandalf) brings the Elessar, possibly the original, from the West and gives it to Galadriel as a token from Yavanna.
There’s a mix of banishment, longing, and hope.
The language shifts: Galadriel is “not yet permitted” to depart Middle-earth, implying the Ban, versus “unwilling,” showing Tolkien’s vacillation on the point.

“Yet for a little while that might be amended, if the Elessar should return for a little, until the days of men are come…” (21:00, Tolkien’s words via Sean)

Gandalf’s gift is temporary; Galadriel must eventually pass the stone to another (Aragorn), confirming her eventual return to the West.

B. The Second Version (the “Celebrimbor Elessar”) (28:38 – 41:13)

In this alternative, Galadriel receives the Elessar in the Second Age from Celebrimbor, who crafts it out of unrequited love for her.
Celebrimbor’s background is fluid—sometimes a Feanorian, sometimes a smith of Gondolin—but here he’s a talented friend/rival of Enerthil.
The new Elessar is brighter and subtler than the first, but less powerful, as “the sun was not so bright” after the First Age due to Morgoth’s lingering shadow.
Upon acquiring the Three Elven Rings, Galadriel later gifts the Elessar to her daughter Celebrian, and thus it passes to Arwen and—eventually—Aragorn.

“But you know that I love you, though you turn to Celeborn of the trees. And for that love I will do what I can…” (38:03, Celebrimbor via James/Sean, 37:40)

The awkward Celebrimbor-Galadriel-Celeborn possible “love triangle” is explored with much humor and fan punditry.

6. Editorial Unravelings: Christopher Tolkien’s Commentary (47:00 – 55:04)

Christopher Tolkien’s editorial notes are highlighted, tracing how Tolkien’s narrative plans continually shifted post-Lord of the Rings.
Discussion of the inconsistent presence of Celebrimbor, the “ban” on Galadriel, the movement and speech of the Sylvan Elves, and the merging of Sindar and Silvan realms.
The hosts acknowledge that many of these notes are contradictory by Tolkien’s own hand and reflect his lifelong pattern of deep, iterative revision.

7. Appendix A: The Sylvan Elves—Language, Culture, and History (61:42 – 79:46)

The hosts examine a late Tolkien note detailing the Sylvan Elves (“Tawarwaith”)—descendants of the Teleri who didn’t cross the Misty Mountains.
The Sylvan tongue is described as further from Sindarin than the Sindar are from the Teleri of Valinor, with ancient roots and forms.
Discussion of “linguistic substrate:” Sindarin became the dominant language, but regional accents and local words remained (e.g., Amroth, Nimrodel, Caras).
Fun linguistic tangent on borrowed words, phonological shifts, and the difference accent makes—even referencing Frodo’s confusion in Lothlorien.
Notable: The Sylvan Elves had no native script; when they did write, they adopted foreign forms—potentially expediting the loss of their language.

“Tolkien then feigns ignorance of the details. He says that it's not, of course, now known, even though he's the person making this up.” (71:43, James)

8. Appendix B: The Realm of Thranduil, Sylvan/Sindarin Relations, and Aftermath of the Last Alliance (81:24 – 99:10)

Traces the eastward migration of Sindar, including Oropher and Thranduil, who deliberately merge with their Silvan subjects—adopting language and customs.
Tensions with Dwarves and even Galadriel/Celeborn push Oropher’s folk ever more “rustic,” seeking to return to a “simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar.”
The disastrous impact of the Last Alliance on Silvan Elves: huge casualties (up to two-thirds), shaping their insularity and anxiety in later ages.
Reflection on the contradiction between Sindar-adopting Silvan speech and Tolkien’s later notes suggesting Silvan Elvish was no longer spoken by the end of the Third Age.

9. Listener Mail & Notable Lore: The Elven King of The Hobbit as "Thingol" (100:04 – 106:15)

Responding to a question, the hosts demonstrate (using textual and publication history evidence) that the “Elvenking” in The Hobbit is deliberately modeled on Thingol of Doriath—both in physical setting (cave palace with a river and bridge) and in narrative (the dispute over payment with the dwarves).
They cite Tolkien’s own explanation to Christopher Bretherton (Letter 257) and John Rateliff’s History of the Hobbit, showing that the Elvenking and Thingol were functionally the same figure before Tolkien decided to distinguish them.

“...he left his options open as to whether the Elven King was a new character or an old familiar character appearing in a new story, slightly altered to fit his new surroundings.” (104:45, quoted from Rateliff)

Highlights & Memorable Quotes

On Tolkien’s shifting lore:
“What was it, Thursday? You know, it’s different today.” (33:59, Sean)
On Celebrimbor’s unrequited love:
“Wait a minute. Back the truck up.” (37:40, Sean)
On linguistic changes:
“So not much change over the course of a thousand years in an Elvish language.” (79:46, Sean)
On Dwarves and Galadriel being "bad neighbors":
“[Oropher’s] kind of hard to please...one of these grumpy neighbors who lives down a two mile driveway and has the 1700 no trespassing signs...” (87:56, Sean)

Key Timestamps for Reference

01:11 – Show/episode introduction
02:31 – Begin main reading on the Elessar
07:20 – Editorial context & Christopher Tolkien’s introduction
14:13 – Which Elessar? Variant traditions
28:38 – “Second Elessar” story with Celebrimbor
47:00 – Christopher Tolkien’s commentary on the texts and their contradictions
61:42 – Appendix A: The Silvan Elves (origins and language)
81:24 – Appendix B: History of Thranduil’s realm and the cultural mix
100:04 – Listener Mail: The Hobbit’s Elvenking as Thingol
106:18 – Sign-off & Patreon/member acknowledgments

Tone, Approach, and Style

Informal yet deeply informed—scholarly but full of warmth, self-irony, jovial ribbing, and genuine wonder at Tolkien’s universe.
“We’re just a couple of friends chatting at the pub, and we’re glad you’ve joined us.” (02:24, James)
Frequent asides, puns, and Tolkienian digressions: elves in cradles, elvish parents' “years of teething,” and pop-culture references.
Honest engagement with the contradictions, dead-ends, and circularities of Tolkien’s late writings, always emphasizing that the lack of finality is part of the fun.

Conclusion

Alan and James take the audience on a thorough and entertaining tour through the winding roads of Tolkien’s post-Lord of the Rings mythological notes, focusing on the Elessar as a nexus for questions of loss, memory, pride, and the unresolvable “long defeat” of the Eldar. They illustrate how Tolkien’s legendarium is as much a tapestry of revisions as it is a set of fixed tales, and that the inconsistencies themselves reveal a deeper, lived reality to his imagined world.

Listeners leave the episode with a greater appreciation for the intricacies and ambiguities in Tolkien’s sub-creation, the richness of elvish linguistic and cultural evolution, and—perhaps most of all—the enduring, pub-friendly camaraderie of the podcast itself.