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Tomer Cohen
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Jon Stewart
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Paola Pedrosa
Welcome. My name is Paola Pedrosa, a medium and the host of the Ghost Therapy Podcast where it's not just about connecting with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through them and their new perspective. I think God sent me this gift so I can show it to the world. And most of all, I help people every single day. Listen to the Ghost Therapy podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, you are cordially.
Tisha Allen
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Tomer Cohen
Hello everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. New listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in the world, it is so great to have you here back for another episode as we of course break down the psychology of our 20s. Today, we're diving into a topic that I think resonates with about every single one of us, and that is how to care less about what other people think about you. Let us be completely real and trans transparent here. This is a lot easier said than done. We all know that worrying about the opinions of others will rob us of our authenticity. It will make us less happy. It will, you know, disturb our peace of mind. And yet there is this little voice inside our heads whispering things like, what will they think of me? What if they don't like me? Is the world going to end? Will this choice make me look good to others? And it's not our inner critic, it's something else. It's our inner need for approval. Our inner animal, primal version of us who wants to belong and not upset others. And the problem is that it can become a real mental barrier if we let it dominate the choices we make in our 20s, our behavior, our decisions, and ultimately our lives. I think during this decade, it's quite a fragile time where we really are just trying to figure out so many big questions. And sometimes we rely too heavily on what other people think is best or what other people think we should be doing. And when we are fixated on these possible or actual judgments, it's like we have to hold up every life decision to a different light, under a different light, and think, how's this person going to see it? How about this person? Am I still going to have their approval? And this often happens before we do anything, even without us knowing. But deep down, oftentimes we already know who we are. We already know what we want. We just have to fight against this weirdly misplaced instinct to be validated by others before we truly are able to trust ourselves. And I really do think it comes down to a lack of self trust. We don't trust that we know what's right, and we don't trust that we'll be able to survive the potential negative judgments of friends, of family members, of random strangers. So in this episode, I want us to really dig deep into the psychology of why. Why do we care so much in the first place? Where does this instinct come from? And how does it impact our search for self esteem, for purpose, for authenticity, really, in our 20s. And most importantly, most importantly of all, how can we start letting go of this need for approval so that we can live the lives that we truly want? We're going to talk about evolutionary psychology, childhood experiences. I also share, of course, some practical tips to help you Shift your focus inward to trust your own judgment and to really strengthen your sense of self, as well as my famous rule of fives that I swear by. And hopefully by the end of this episode, you feel inspired, you feel equipped to prioritize your own opinion and to truly honour who you are without being weighed down by the noise of others. Really, this is the episode that I wish I had when I was younger. All of this information is things that I've had to learn and that I wish I could tell a past version of myself. But now I get to tell you guys, which is honestly just as good. So, without further ado, let's get into the psychology about why we care and how to care less about what other people think. So this has been on my mind quite a lot recently. And the reason being is because I launched my new podcast, Mantra a couple of weeks ago. And for those of you who haven't listened to it yet, it's basically a weekly show where I dive into some kind of inspiring affirmation or reminder for you to bring with you throughout the week. So the one we did last week was I cultivate peace within, I embrace growth and change, that kind of thing. And it's just a place for me to kind of express wisdom and be a little bit more philosophical and a bit more grounding compared to the psychology of your 20s, which is more science based. And before I announced that show and launched that show, I had this huge fear that so many people were going to look, turn around, look at me doing this and say, oh, we hate it. We hate that you're doing that. That's not what we want. Boo. Like, just stick to what you know, stick to what you're good at. And it really got into my head, I was, is this a good idea? Should I even be doing this? And the thing was, no one even knew that I was, other than, you know, my team and like, my wonderful support network. No one who is a listener of the show, who doesn't know me knew that I was putting this out. And yet I was putting words into their mouth and they were the words that I most feared. That I would be judged, that people wouldn't like it, that I would be criticized. And it got to the point where I was almost like, oh, this is just, this is such a bad decision. Like they already hate it without ever actually even having shown anyone. And it really got me thinking around how many opportunities and how many things in your life have you not done or have you stopped yourself from doing because you were imagining what Other people think before they even have the chance to think it or say it. And that's really the conundrum that we find ourselves in a lot, and it holds us back. Just having that experience made me realize how many other areas of my life I have already been held back by others opinions, real or imaginary, and how I wish that that hadn't been the case. Before we get into how to stop that from happening, I think we need to just know the basics. Which is why? That's the million dollar question, right? Why does this happen? Why do we care? You could know what it's costing you and you still can't ignore it. The reason this voice, the voice of others, the voice of some ambiguous hater or person feels so omnipresent has two really important explanations. The first is a very evolutionary explanation. We are tribal creatures who previously relied on the approval and acceptance of others to survive. And so to make sure we aren't alienated from our social group, which would in the past have ensured immediate certain death, we've become very attuned to what other people think. And this part of us, it really originated and developed way before civilization was as large and expansive as it is today. It originated and evolved and developed when we did live in very small communities where the opinion of your neighbor, the opinion of the person in the hut next door was significant for your life. So those parts of the brain that are responsible for triggering our fear of rejection or of abandonment, they are part of what we call the old brain or the reptilian brain, which is why they feel so almost instantaneous. It's why they feel so out of our control, because they are meant to function almost automatically. The other part of our brain that really plays a role in this is the frontal lobe. These two areas, they have taken a long time to evolve and a long time to take place. And they have also been around for many, many, many generations. And considering how rapidly society has grown and our networks have expanded from maybe 50 people to literally hundreds of thousands that we can access online, and how, you know, that's only been in the last 20 years, basically these old parts of our brain haven't caught up with the context and how easily it is to be judged at basically any given moment online and in a much, much larger society. How I explain it is that the old part of your brain that is used to caring about the judgments of others and being very socially attuned, that is like trying to run a complex computer game on the first ever MacBook. You know, the system is obviously Going to get overwhelmed. And that is your brain trying to manage this hyper social modern context of a thousand opinions on, you know, a system that developed when that wasn't the case. So the second explanation for why we care, which is very much linked to what we just spoke about, it's to do with our self esteem and how our identity in part really is reliant on the opinions and approval of others. Even from a very young age, we sense and we know that if people like us, life will be easier and we will feel good about ourselves because people will be kind to us, they'll want to help us, they won't outright harm us. So, so it's in that way that sometimes our acknowledgement and our fear of other people's opinions is sometimes a protective mechanism. There have been studies showing that from as young as maybe two years old, we are aware that we are being evaluated by others. And by around 5, we actually begin to change our behavior in certain circumstances based on what we think others will like or will be favorable towards. So this interaction, this is called approval seeking behavior. Wanting to be liked, wanting to be seen as good, wanting to be validated and rewarded by another person. In order for that process to kind of take place, in order to seek approval, you have to firstly acknowledge that other people have opinions. And secondly, you have to be able to make a decision as to whether you want to let that opinion dictate your behavior based on what you think the outcome outcome will be for you. And when we become very obsessed with other people's opinions, implicitly we believe that doing so is going to help us more than it will harm us. I don't think that's the case. I also don't think that it will come as a surprise that excessive approval seeking behavior in adulthood is linked to early childhood experiences, particularly what we call adverse childhood experiences. So if you were highly criticized as a child, if you were neglected by those who were meant to love you most, you were ignored, you were bullied. Approval is something you want more than anything else because you know what it feels like and how terrible it is to not have it. You know how cold and solitary and lonely it feels to not be liked and to not be told that you're good. A 2021 paper actually that I found when researching this, it looked at bullying in particular and it linked childhood bullying to greater approval seeking behavior as adults and specifically a lot more people pleasing and self sacrificing behavior as well. Approval seeking as an adult, I should probably tell you what that looks like. It's basically what we would describe as caring too much about what other people's think, what other people think. But. But it's not an inward process, it becomes an outward process. So you end up relying on others opinions to help you make life decisions. So if you are left with a big decision about what you want to study, where you want to move, what job you want to take, what to do in your friendships and your relationships, you may be unable to come to that decision yourself. You have to check with as many people as possible about what they think is right. Your actions also change based on how you think someone will react. You become your emotions in particular about something, become very much dictated by what someone else thinks. First, you may find yourself rejecting opportunities and experiences that you really want because you worry whether others will approve. And you might even feel ashamed or like you need to excessively explain yourself if someone questions or dislikes your work, your actions, your decisions, any of those things. All of this links back to letting the opinions of others dictate your life. I would also like to point out, and I've already mentioned this, that sometimes this is also born from a lack of self trust. Basically, we are no longer able to provide ourselves with validation or approval. We don't trust our opinion on ourselves, so we require other people to be able to confirm or deny our worth. And you know, I really wonder why we get to the point where we are willing to trust a stranger and what they think more than ourselves, more than someone that we have known our whole life, who knows everything about us more than anyone else. At some point though, you do have to make a choice. Would you rather people like you or would you rather like yourself? I think it gets to a point where this is really what it comes down to and actually it's bigger than that. It's Would you rather actually live the life you want? Wouldn't you rather give yourself the space to figure out what's best for you without trying to fit into someone else's box? There was a quote I read the other day that I think captures this perfectly. It said, by being concerned about what other people think, we avoid the short term pain of rejection or the possible loss of status in exchange for the long term loss of missing out on a life truly worth living. So let's talk about what happens when we invest too heavily in other people's opinions at the expense of our own. The first thing we are likely to experience is a dependence on external validation which will make it hard to do things purely for the joy of doing them or because we want to in order to keep up our supply of external validation as well. We kind of become like addicts. So we might develop people, people pleasing tendencies and end up feeling very used, resentful, exhausted. We may avoid conflict or suppress our needs in order to maintain others approval despite feeling worse about ourselves in other areas of our life. This also crucially makes our self worth incredibly unstable. Because the opinions of others, they aren't something that we can rely on. They're fickle. People change their minds all the time. Their approval of us is often based on what they want, not what's best for us. I think about this in the context as well of celebrities who go from being darlings to being hated overnight when public opinion turns because it is incredibly fickle, it is not something to be relied on, but also on a more individual level if you're not a celebrity. When people realize that you rely on their judgment and that you want them to like you, this can also be really in some ways used to manipulate you into saying yes, into overdoing, over giving, just being and giving them too much of yourself at the expense of you. We also end up overanalyzing others perceptions of us and that can lead to really heightened anxiety, particularly in social settings. I feel like caring about other people's opinions is a hallmark of social anxiety anxiety because we imagine there is this big spotlight on our every move and that, you know, one misstep will result in a disaster. And when other people's opinions become a fixation and a main worry, this also slowly erodes our authenticity. Because we want to be liked more than we want to honor ourselves. One of those things feels more important to us and that can lead to a disconnect between your values, your beliefs, your preferences, your likes and your behavior. I don't think I need to tell you that what you're left with is really nothing. You just end up being an amalgamation of what everyone else wants you to be. So there is a distinct feeling of emptiness and a lack of fulfillment that comes along with this. There was a 2017 paper written about this called Authenticity as a Predictor of Mental Health. And it looked at 706 students and it found that those who practiced authentic living, who could name five of their personal values, they reported being not as easily swayed by external influence. They were happier. They were more satisfied with their lives because they just had less noise around whether what they were doing was right. Two more impacts of this, but I'll keep them short and sweet because I want to mainly focus on the solutions, a fear of criticism or rejection specifically. It also might prevent us from taking, taking risks, embracing opportunities, which I think is something that is essential during this decade. And finally, there's been evidence to suggest that it may mean we actually make worse decisions. So we either don't make a decision or when we do, it's not the one we actually want, because we're making decisions that don't align with previously expressed goals or desires. And we second guess ourselves. And it kind of feels like we're being guided by two separate and competing forces. What we want and what others think we want. And I imagine like a tug of war where both sides is equally strong. So the thing in the middle, which is you, remains stagnant. There was a 2012 article, another one that I found, published in the Journal of Human Behavior and Human Decision Making. And it also examined what happens when we let others not just dictate, but make decisions for us through their opinions. And it turns out that when we follow what someone else thinks we can do, we often end up a lot less happy. Because often they don't choose with our interests in mind. They choose what they think is best based on their philosophies, based on their expectations of us and our happiness and their appreciation of our values. And what we want just doesn't matter to them as much we know ourselves. I want you to remember, you know who you are. You have been with you since the beginning. So we have to learn to trust that we will be okay if people don't like us and if we, we don't do things the way that they want us to do them. And there is a real power in that, but there is also real, genuine peace. You know, I'm saying this as someone who used to be so worried about it, especially when I was in uni, I just was changing myself constantly based on who I was around. And I never knew who I was ever. So how do we move past that instinct, even when it feels impossible? What does the psychology tell us about rewiring our opinions and our actions, attitude towards ourselves? Well, we are going to talk about all of that and so much more after this short break. You know, I love having a cheeky drink with friends, post work, or a beer with dinner. But this year I have committed to completing Dry January to start the new year off fresh and to really kind of kickstart the lifestyle I want to have for the next 12 months. Heineken 00 is the perf companion for this journey because it has 0.0% alcohol. So I can still socialize, enjoy myself, get out there without feeling like I'm missing out. Plus, it genuinely actually tastes very, very delicious. My fridge is now stocked with Heineken 00 and friends of mine will even join me for an evening or for an afternoon going alcohol free. If you are also taking part in Dry January this year or just looking for your new Favorite drink drink Heineken 00 is it Heineken 00 is available at your local Heineken retailer or for delivery@heineken.com you must be 21+ to purchase. Enjoy Heineken responsibly and good luck with Dry January.
Katherine Legg
Hey you guys, I'm Katherine Legg. I'm a racing driver who's literally driven everything with four wheels across the planet. And I've got a new podcast. It's called Throttle Therapy. This season I'm gearing, gearing up to make history, competing in some of the world's most notorious racing events, starting at the Indy 500. Join me as I travel from racetrack to racetrack in my quest to continue a memorable career in racing. I'm also going to bring you inside stories with legends of sports, new faces from the next generation of auto racing, and conversations with the people who've supported me throughout my career. We'll be getting into everything from karting to nascar, even Formula one. Whether you dream about being a pro athlete or an astronaut, we're talking about what it takes to make it. Listen to Throttle Therapy with Katherine Legg, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Tomer Cohen
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Reed
Hey y'all, this is Reed from the God's country podcast. We had the one and only Bobby Bones in the studio this week week and we cover everything from his upbringing to his outdoor experiences with a stepdad, AR Keith, to the state of country music. We may even end the episode with a little jam session led by Bobby himself. Y'all be sure and listen to this episode of God's country with Bobby bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Don't go shopping at Target with khaki.
Tomer Cohen
Pants and a red shirt on. Don't go shopping at Target with khaki pants and a red polo shirt on.
Tisha Allen
Switch up song.
Tomer Cohen
An old lady came up to me. She said how much for this Cream of Wheat?
Paola Pedrosa
Welcome. My name is Paola Pedrosa A medium and the host of the Ghost Therapy podcast, where it's not just about connecting with deceased loved ones, it's about learning through them and their new perspective. Join me on the Ghost Therapy podcast.
Tomer Cohen
Whoa. My lights in my living room just flickered. I'm a little nervous. I'm excited. I'm excited nervous. You know, I'm very spiritual person, so I'm like, I'm ready and open.
Paola Pedrosa
That was amazing. I feel so grateful right now. I got to speak to my great grandmother Abuela, and she gave me a lot of really good advice that I'm gonna have to really think about.
Katherine Legg
Wow.
Paola Pedrosa
Okay.
Tomer Cohen
That's crazy. Yes, that is accurate.
Paola Pedrosa
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Tomer Cohen
With all that we're discussing today, I really don't want it to come off like I'm dismissing the sting of being disliked and that I'm saying that it's not painful because it is. Feeling rejected, criticized, even hated, it's an incredibly painful experience. Specifically, it elicits social pain, and I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to avoid that if they could. So if you are someone who is struggling with it, I'm not sitting here being like, be stronger. You're just so weak willed. Grow a spine. Absolutely not. Because I know how insidious that feels. Like that urge to be validated by others feels like it's just so innate in us. And I really struggle with it at times, especially when I get troll comments or negative comments. They're not something that I easily forget, even if I try really hard. So it would be facetious to suggest that it doesn't cross my mind or that I'm perfect, or that there is any one person who doesn't care. Actually, I think someone who doesn't care at all would probably have a slight problem. Because there are times when you should really consider what other people think and feel about a situation. That's how we experience empathy. So not caring at all. It's also not a great thing. But what I would like to remind myself, and you as well, is that people who think truly negative things about others and who then go on to express them, I wouldn't want to live even a day, not even in their mind. In their shoes, I wouldn't want their life. So why in the world would I let them dictate mine? It would be a very dark place to live inside the mind of someone who brings that kind of Negativity to the world who says those things, let alone thinks them. It would be a very hard life to be someone who deliberately tries to tear others down, down. And if they are thinking all of those things about others, what happens when they turn the spotlight back onto themselves? You have probably heard of the saying hurt people, hurt people. There is a lot more truth to that than you may know. The studies support that people who criticize others are often more insecure than you or I. So there was a really amazing paper in 2018 on ostracism and aggression. So aggression, particularly online. And it found that people who have felt excluded or rejected in the past, they are more likely to express negativity and aggression, particularly verbal aggression towards others. And the people they most turn this hatred towards is those they feel have a higher status than them. It's why the age old saying is often proven to be true. People always hate those who they think are doing better than them. And you want to know why? You want to know why they do that? It's because if they can't be where you are, the second best option for them is for you to join them where they are. If they, you know, can pull you down to their level, they can still feel like they've won because at least you're not ahead of them, making them feel any more insecure than they already feel. So these groups of people, these ultimate haters, they make up their own class. I like to call them the insecure critics. But if we want to dive even further into the research, you would also find that the majority of the time, the average Joe, most people aren't really thinking about you at all. So this was revealed in a study by three social psychologists. Their names were Gasconi, Erica Boothie and Mariana Lee. And they did their research on what they call the thought gap. And this explains how we tend to think that we take up more space in someone else's mind than we do. And the reason we think that, the reason we have this thought gap is because we only have direct access to our own thoughts. And what are we thinking about? More than anything else, we're thinking about ourselves. So we naturally, subconsciously, without knowing it, assume that other people must be thinking about us too, and that they must be thinking the same thoughts. They're on the same page as us. Therefore we overestimate how much they truly notice. It's a common cognitive and social bias that brings about a lot of implicit self scrutiny. And there's even more research on this as well. And it shows that we actually tend to implant our own securities onto others thoughts. And we assume that they can see all the things that only we can notice. You may also know this as the spotlight effect. And I had this experience with a friend recently where this was very clear to me. We were looking through pictures from her birthday party and there was this truly beautiful photo of her, like smiling with a bunch of our friends. Her hair was like impeccable. She had a beautiful outfit on. Her makeup was like stunning, everything. I literally saw the photo and gasped because I was like, you just look so great. And she immediately was like, oh my God, no. Can't you see my double chin? And can't you see my arms? Like, don't let anyone post that. And of course I hadn't noticed a single one of these features because others don't search for our insecurities the way that we do. And I want to just say that one more time. Other people do not search for our insecurities the way that we do. So these are just a few reminders if you're in a spiral or you feel bombarded by imaginary or real judgments from the those around you. Let's move on to some more practical tips though. My first big tip, if you struggle with caring too much about what other people's think, other people think, is I want you to make an opinion hierarchy or rank the kind of opinions that you are likely to encounter. So at the bottom of your ladder, at the bottom of your scale, it should be complete strangers. Complete strangers. Their opinions, opinions do not matter. They have no clue who you are. They really aren't invested in you as a person. They don't care about your growth. Your existence means very little to them. So their opinion ranks on the bottom. They are more likely to care about what you can do for them and how making you feel bad can make them feel better than they are to actually want what's best for you. The second tier is acquaintances. Then it's colleagues. Colleagues. Then it's friends. Then we have the Silver Circle, close friends. I'm talking friends that are honorary family members. And then finally, also in that Silver Circle, it's family members who you trust. And also your partner might be included here as well. That's the inner sanctum. That's the Silver Circle. Though we also have the Gold Circle. Who is left to belong in the Gold Circle Circle? It's you, you and you only. I want you to draw out this diagram or this image. However you see it in your mind, I want you to draw it out. Put it on Your mirror somewhere in your car, front page of your diary, whatever it is, as a reminder of how other people's judgments rank compared to your own. I think the big problem with spending too much time thinking about the thoughts of others is that we end up becoming detached or disconnected from our own opinion about something, including ourself. So our intuition becomes injured because we're letting too many voices interrupt. So what I really want you to do is opposite to what your, you know, what your gut feeling is saying. And I want you to actually let yourself acknowledge the opinions of others. Let yourself really lean in. Let yourself really absorb it. Don't ignore it. And then ask yourself, okay, but what do I think? All of this aside, I've listened. I've given you the. I've given you your time. I've listened. Now, what is my opinion, and which one is going to make me happier to listen to? Think about it in the context of an outfit. That's a very simple enough example. You might ask all your friends, what do you think? Think. What do you think about this? Look, 50% of them might say, I hate it. 25% say, yeah, it's fine. 25% say, it's really beautiful. I like it. Let those perspectives sink in and then turn around and say, all right, time to ask myself, what's my opinion? And based on that hierarchy, what do I choose to do here? This also is important because it allows yourself to be. Be exposed to judgment without letting it, you know, kind of penetrate the armor, knowing that you can listen and not be hurt by it. These opinions, through this process will start to feel less and less important to you as your opinion and intuition become louder and louder and louder until you don't need to ask for validation about not just outfit choices, but everything else in your life. That's really what the people who you see who are just crushing it are doing. Those people you see who are so authentic and true to themselves, and they have great style and they've always focused on something and they're deeply committed and they let mean things bounce off them. They have, in some ways, done this exercise in the past, even if they don't realize it. Second, if you want to start turning inwards for validation rather than outwards, it's really important to strengthen your sense of self and your identity and make sure you remind yourself what is important to me. I'm going to ask you right now, what are three things that are really important to you right now? I'll give you a few seconds. The thing is, if you don't know if you can't name them. I think your identity needs a few renovations, it needs a few additions. You want to have that strong personal internal home that you can come back to. Also, I think focus on being a good, authentic person rather than just an agreeable person. You can be someone who is kind, self assured, who has amazing things going for them, and also who can stick up for themselves. You can be someone who still, you know, listens to their family, listens to their, to their friends, does ask for advice and does seek counsel. But also when they have a gut feeling, when they have an instinct, when they like something, they know how to act on it. Really what it comes down to is don't let yourself doubt yourself any further. Like, don't do that to yourself. Don't, you know, second guess yourself. Don't feel like again, the opinion of a stranger is more worthwhile than yours. Instead, I want you to commit deeply and without compromise to what you want and what you want to do and what you care about. And make sure that if someone asked you what do you care about? You would know how to answer. You'd know how to respond. Make an investment in yourself by choosing one goal, one hobby, one passion you want to work at. And make yourself a good life full of things that you care about way more than others and that you could continue to do even if the world, world hated it. You know, I just don't let your life just be, you know, work, come home, watch tv, order takeaway, maybe hang out with your friends on the weekend and let everyone else dictate what you do. I just don't think that's a strong foundation for a good life. I don't think it's a strong foundation for a good sense of self. And it will make you easily swayed. It will make you feel like you don't know how to do things. You don't know what you want, you don't know what you like. But are you giving yourself enough new experiences and external stimulus and excitement to actually give yourself the chance to know what you want? Finally, finally, I want you to adopt the 555 rule. Basically, the 555 rule looks at other people's opinions or thoughts of you. I don't know. I keep using the I don't like your outfit one a lot. It just seems easy, you know, you're not fit enough. You don't look the way you're not attractive. You don't look how I want you to look. Look, you're never going to be successful I don't believe in you. Whatever it is that someone has told you at some point in your life, it looks at the opinions of others and it says will it matter in five days? Will it matter in five months? Will it matter in five years? And crucially, will it matter if I don't listen? Obviously if you take something deeply to heart, it will still matter in five years. But if you just treat someone's opinion with complete neutrality, will it matter? And the rule of five says that the only things we should concern ourselves with are issues or problems that will still be impacting us in five years time. So what I'm talking about, there is genuine feedback that someone is giving you in good faith to help you improve your life. That is what will matter in five years time. A family member saying, I don't think this way of going about your life is harming you. That's an opinion you should listen to to. Or a boss saying, hey, if you have so much potential, but if you don't do this thing, if you don't fix this thing, if you don't expand this part of yourself more, you won't get ahead. That's an opinion you should listen to. But you know, mean snarky criticism from a co worker, strange look from lady on train. Someone on the Internet trolling you opinion of old friend from high school that's not five year worthy so they can be acknowledged and swiftly dismissed. My last tip, and it does kind of link to that one as well, is choose your people wisely. Choose people to be around you, who you aspire to be like, who respect you, who you respect, who will help you. Course, correct. But also who encourage you rather than bring you down. There is no backhanded compliments, there is no worrying what they'll think. We all know the experience of having a friend, friend who you can never quite tell whether they want to see you fail or whether they want to build you up or whether they just want something from you. Like there is some people who are like that and again, I want to remind you, they deserve love, they deserve respect. Because they're probably going through it themselves. Like if your existence brings out that insecurity in them, it's because they were already insecure. So really choose people who you know are going to elevate you, who will never make you question, question what it is about you that is authentic and pure and true to you. And I think that that makes you more confident in your own decisions, more confident in who you are, because you're not worried about the immediate threat or possibility of upsetting someone or disappointing someone. So those are just some of the tips that I wanted to give you today. Honestly, I could give you millions more. Everyone else, everyone really has their own ways of thinking about it. Some people like to imagine a big giant that surrounds them that other people's opinions bounce off of. Some people quite to get like, to get quite existential with it. They like to, you know, really focus on the fact that we get one life. No one's going to remember you. And that is actually a really helpful thought. And it's quite nice to imagine the kind of liberty and peace and freedom that comes with no one really ever being able to remember your actions. So it is really about finding out what works for you, you, but at the end of the day, really building up the parts of you that are going to be strong and that are going to be foundations for you, no matter what anyone else thinks, feels, says, believes, whatever it is. So I hope you enjoyed this episode. Please, if you've made it this far, leave a little cloud emoji in the comment section and leave your thoughts on what you you learned from this episode, whether you think you can apply it to your own life. I love seeing how far people get and it's always really cute to be like, oh, hello, my finishers, my people who are committed to the episode. So again, thank you for listening. Also, if you haven't yet listened to Mantra, if you liked this episode, I really think you're gonna like Mantra. It's basically pep talks for your week that can ground you. So I'll leave a link in the description, make sure you are following along on Instagram @thatpsychology podcast. We do episode summaries, we do polls all the time. I ask you for your opinions on episodes, so it'd be great to see you over there. And until next time, stay safe, be kind and above all else, be gentle to yourself. We will talk very, very soon.
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Episode 269: How to Care Less About Others' Opinions
Release Date: January 24, 2025
Host: Tomer Cohen
Podcast: The Psychology of Your 20s by iHeartPodcasts
In this enlightening episode, Tomer Cohen delves deep into a pervasive challenge faced by many in their twenties: the struggle to care less about what others think. Addressing a topic that resonates universally, Cohen explores the psychological underpinnings, evolutionary factors, and offers practical strategies to overcome the incessant quest for external validation.
Evolutionary Psychology and Social Survival
Cohen begins by tracing the origins of our need for approval to our evolutionary past. "We are tribal creatures who previously relied on the approval and acceptance of others to survive," he explains at [05:30]. This ingrained behavior ensured individuals stayed within the safety of their social groups, a necessity in early human societies.
Modern Society vs. Ancestral Brain Structures
However, the rapid expansion of society and the advent of digital communication have outpaced the evolution of our primal brain regions. The "old brain" or "reptilian brain," responsible for our fear of rejection, struggles to adapt to the vast, impersonal networks of today. Cohen illustrates this mismatch by comparing our ancient brains to "a first-ever MacBook trying to run a complex computer game," highlighting the overwhelm we experience in the modern social landscape ([10:15]).
Self-Esteem and Identity Formation
Further complicating this issue is how our self-esteem is often tethered to others' opinions. Cohen cites a 2021 study linking childhood bullying to heightened approval-seeking behaviors in adulthood, resulting in people-pleasing and self-sacrificing tendencies ([13:45]). This dependence on external validation hampers our ability to make autonomous decisions, leaving our authenticity in jeopardy.
Dependence on External Validation
Cohen discusses how an overreliance on others' opinions transforms our motivations. Instead of pursuing activities for genuine enjoyment, we seek them to maintain our supply of external approval, likening it to an addiction ([16:20]). This leads to feelings of exhaustion, resentment, and a pervasive sense of being used.
Instability of Self-Worth
The fluctuating nature of others' opinions makes our self-worth unstable. Cohen references a 2017 study, "Authenticity as a Predictor of Mental Health," which found that individuals who practice authentic living experience greater happiness and life satisfaction due to reduced external noise ([19:05]).
Fear of Rejection and Stifled Ambitions
A dominant fear of criticism can prevent us from taking necessary risks and embracing opportunities essential for personal growth during our twenties. This fear not only restricts our potential but may also lead to poorer decision-making, as decisions are influenced more by others' expectations than our own desires ([21:50]).
1. Create an Opinion Hierarchy
Cohen introduces the concept of an "opinion hierarchy," urging listeners to rank whose opinions truly matter. He categorizes opinions from strangers (least important) to close family and partners (most important), ultimately placing one's own opinions at the top. "Draw this diagram and place it where you can see it daily as a constant reminder," Cohen advises ([23:10]).
2. Strengthen Your Sense of Self
Building a robust internal identity is crucial. Cohen prompts listeners to identify and articulate their core values and passions, ensuring that personal goals and interests take precedence over external validation ([24:00]).
3. Focus on Authenticity Over Agreeableness
Rather than striving to be liked, focus on being true to oneself. Cohen emphasizes the importance of sticking to one's instincts and values, even when faced with opposition or criticism. "Commit deeply and without compromise to what you want and care about," he encourages ([26:30]).
4. Adopt the 555 Rule
This practical tool helps in evaluating the significance of others' opinions. Cohen explains the 555 Rule: "Will this opinion matter in five days, five months, or five years?" If not, dismiss it. This helps in filtering out trivial judgments and focusing on what truly impacts one's life ([28:15]).
5. Choose Your Circle Wisely
Surround yourself with individuals who uplift and respect you. Cohen warns against people who bring negativity or foster insecurity, advocating for relationships that encourage personal growth and authenticity ([30:00]).
Throughout the episode, Cohen shares personal experiences to illustrate his points. For instance, he recounts launching his podcast Mantra and battling fears of criticism before its release ([15:25]). This vulnerability underscores the universal nature of seeking approval and the courage required to prioritize one's own voice.
He also touches on the emotional toll of negative feedback, acknowledging that feelings of rejection are genuinely painful. However, Cohen distinguishes between constructive criticism and baseless negativity, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the latter as stemming from others' insecurities ([24:50]).
Tomer Cohen wraps up the episode by reiterating the importance of prioritizing one's own opinions over others'. He encourages listeners to implement the discussed strategies, reminding them that building a strong sense of self leads to lasting happiness and fulfillment. "Stay safe, be kind, and above all else, be gentle to yourself," he advises, leaving listeners with a message of self-compassion and empowerment ([40:20]).
"We are tribal creatures who previously relied on the approval and acceptance of others to survive." – Tomer Cohen [05:30]
"The old part of your brain is like trying to run a complex computer game on the first ever MacBook. It's going to get overwhelmed." – Tomer Cohen [10:15]
"People who think truly negative things about others often have more insecurity than you or I." – Tomer Cohen [22:40]
"Commit deeply and without compromise to what you want and what you care about." – Tomer Cohen [26:30]
Episode 269 serves as a comprehensive guide for twenty-somethings grappling with the fear of judgment and the need for acceptance. By blending scientific insights with actionable advice, Tomer Cohen offers listeners the tools to reclaim their authenticity and live lives aligned with their true selves. Whether you're struggling with social anxiety, career decisions, or personal relationships, this episode provides valuable strategies to prioritize your own happiness over external opinions.
If you found this summary helpful, consider listening to the full episode for a more in-depth exploration and personalized anecdotes from Tomer Cohen.