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Be honest with you all.
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Gemma Spake
It is so great to have you here.
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Host/Announcer
I am personally so excited for this episode and to have this specific guest on the podcast. Being a creative person these days, having an online presence, putting yourself out there can be tough even if you don't have an audience.
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People can be very critical of us.
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Host/Announcer
When we are loud, proud and passionate about our dreams. One of my favorite creators talks about this a lot.
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Gemma Spake
How to manage comparison.
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Host/Announcer
How to let people misunderstand you. How to know when something is meant for you. She is the author of two books about being in your 20s and a content creator who is honestly living her dream capture Carrie Bradshaw life. And today we got to have her on the podcast to really pick her brain about so many interesting things. Without further ado, here she is. Eli Rallo, welcome to the Psychology of your twenties.
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Eli Rallo
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, me too. I feel like obviously we're in the.
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Host/Announcer
Middle of like our December guest month.
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Gemma Spake
And I was like who better to have on the show than another Queen of the 20 somethings? Another Queen of the 20s. If no one has heard about you, which I don't know how they haven't, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you kind of began your career to now being almost.
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Host/Announcer
A three time author?
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Eli Rallo
Yes, I am a content creator and writer. I'm based in New York and also Texas. I'm 27, and I started making content in 2020, and I've sort of been making content ever since. And my new book, Does Anyone Else Feel this way out? October 14th. So I'm in kind of the process of dealing with everything that comes along with, like, pre publication for a book, which has just been so exciting and it's so crazy. Like, I don't know when this is coming out, but when we're recording it, it's gonna be out in a week. So it's been just a whirlwind.
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Gemma Spake
Oh, my gosh. I can relate. Like, when my book came out at the start of the year, it's like.
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Host/Announcer
This huge, huge build up.
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Gemma Spake
And then you kind of just, like, do it. And then everything just. You know what I mean? Like, you reach this, like, pinnacle, and the day that you release the book is often, like, the least exciting day. I don't know if you found that with your last book.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah, with my last book, I definitely did. With this book, I definitely have a lot going on. More than the last one. The last one, I was kind of like, okay, it's just here now, and I'm gonna go see my book in bookstores, which I did. And that was a really special moment. But then I didn't have any, like, huge, I guess I did a book tour that night, but I didn't have huge plans this time. I have a fully packed schedule for the release week, so it's kind of a crazier moment in time. But I think a lot of gratitude because I can compare it. I can compare and contrast both of my book release weeks and feel really grateful for growth and all the steps in the right direction. So it's crazy, but it does really feel kind of anticlimactic emotionally because you're like, here's this thing I've been working on and now it's here.
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Gemma Spake
I know. And it's like, this is the thing that I have given, like, everything to and I've, like, poured my whole heart into. I remember the day I released mine. I, like, went to find it in a bookstore and it wasn't there. And I was, like, just walking around, being like, oh, yeah. And it took me, like, a couple days to find it. Yeah. I was like, yeah.
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Eli Rallo
Sometimes it takes a while for them to, like, get it into rotation. I didn't know this about bookstores.
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Host/Announcer
Yeah.
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Gemma Spake
The things you learn. Okay, this is a question that I've been really enjoying asking people recently, which is what did you want to be when you grew up, now that you are a content creator and an author, what was that always the goal?
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Eli Rallo
I wanted to be a writer and I wanted to be on Broadway. So pretty similar. I'm pretty much the person I've always been, which I guess is quite comforting. Like, I always knew I wanted to be a writer and I always knew I wanted to do, like, theater. So when I was a kid, I really wanted to write fiction. So I think it does feel like a childhood dream, sort of discovered and kind of a welcome home in a way, because that was always the dream and obviously went down a different path first. And I feel really grateful for that path as well. But fiction was definitely always like, where my head was at when I was younger.
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Gemma Spake
Did you feel like there was a point in your life where you were like, maybe this isn't gonna happen? Like, maybe this is just not for me?
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Eli Rallo
No. I honestly thought to myself, if I don't make it, it's gonna be the love of my life forever. Either way, if I don't make it, I'm always going to write. And I'll self publish. If I don't make it with Broadway, I'll do what I can to make enough money that I could donate to Broadway shows or donate to children's theater. I just knew I would always be involved in the arts even if I didn't make it. So no, I knew that no matter what, I would still do it. No one can take writing away from you if you can't publish traditionally, which would be the dream. The dream, the dream. You can publish yourself. And if you don't, like anyone could do that. I did it. And when I was in college, I self published a poetry book. I think I just knew that no matter what, if I didn't make it, no one could take doing it away from me. It was habitual in my blood, every day something I did. And same with theater. No one can take being a fan of the arts away from you. No one can take being an audience member away from you. So there was really never a moment that I was like, this might not happen. Because I knew that even if I didn't make it in the traditional sense of the term, like, it would still be part of my life. And that was enough for me. I think everything else is just like a cherry on top.
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Gemma Spake
No. So I totally agree with you. And I feel this is someone else who is like, very much living out a dream they had for a long time. People always are like, how do I know what, like, my dream job is, like, how do I know what I'm meant to be doing? How do I know what my purpose is? And I'm like, if you would be doing it even if there was no one paying attention, what is the thing you do that you just love to do, because you love to do it, that you wouldn't actually ever need to be paid for and you would still have the love for? Like, that's the biggest thing. And some people, like, can't make money off of those things. Right. That doesn't mean it's not still, like, your purpose.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah, yeah.
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Gemma Spake
And not so important. What do you think about being delusional about your dreams? What are your thoughts on, like, this. This method for going after what you want?
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Eli Rallo
I think there has to be, like, a bit of delusion. Like, I don't think anybody, like, truly, like, confidently believes that they can, like, go out and snatch everything. I mean, maybe people do. I think there has to be a healthy mix of, like, realism and delusion. So the realism is like just that realistic voice being like, these are, you know, this is reality and this is where we're at right now. And then you have to sort of also take it the extra level that you just believe in yourself in tandem. So I think you have to have a little delusion and a little realism. That's always where I've, like, rested my head. I'm not, like, totally delusional, but I'm also, like, a little delusional, you know, like, I'll keep it. I'll keep it a little delusional, but I try to be realistic with myself. Like, I think it just helped me be grounded. I always talk about, like, how my parents raised us. Like, we were never raised to, like, get applause unless we earned it. Like, my parents were not the type of people, oh, they're just jealous of you. My parents were not, like, you're perfect. My parents loved us. But, like, if we weren't good at something, we were not being told we were good at it. You know what I mean? Like, we were getting. We had to earn applause from things. And I think that it taught me, like, to understand my strengths and learn how to work on my weaknesses in a really good way. Like, I'm good at being real. And then I think the delusion comes in with, like, you just have to be a little wacky when you're going to dream really big and you have to believe that you can. And sometimes that takes, like, kind of kidding yourself in a way. But I try to Be as realistic as possible and then also a little delusional.
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Gemma Spake
See, I have this other problem where.
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Host/Announcer
I feel like sometimes I'm a little.
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Gemma Spake
Bit too realistic because I feel like being delusional jinxes things. I don't know if you have this. This similar feeling where sometimes I'm like, if I've thought about something happening and if I really want it to happen, sometimes I get worried that it's gonna, like, jinx it and going to mean that in some universe it's already happened. So, like, it's never going to be allowed to emerge again. What are your thoughts on that?
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Eli Rallo
I feel that I. Yeah, I think that, like, in going through processes for things I didn't get, but, like, that I'm still qualified to get again, like awards or nominations or bestseller, this or that. Like, I've just realized that placing all this pressure on a thing is just not worth it because then you'll feel like how you feel like, oh, I manifested this not happening. So I try to just do my best and, like, forget the rest. Like, I try not to think about the list and the accolades and all the things that I know are, like, around the bend that I'm being considered for, that I have been considered for. Like, I try to just forget it all. Like, it doesn't exist to me. And so that way, like, I'm only focusing on the work and I don't focus on, like, you know, numbers and data and this and that. And then of course, like, those things do matter and there are things that I focus on. But I try to keep myself, like, pretty grounded in just like, the creator, the act of creating, and then the, The. The art itself and not so much on the external, because I think when I did that, I would get really disappointed and I would also, like, feel like you did, where it would be like, oh, I manifested this not happening.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, no, very, very true. I feel like this is advice that I wish I could. I still think I need to hear myself, which is like, just do it for the joy of doing something. Like, just do it for the joy. And then no one can ever really take that away from you. Which is, I guess, like the through line that we've just been coming back to, like, time and time again as people who are, like, working in creative spaces and working in, like, in entertainment. I'm kind of gonna shift gears here and let's talk a bit about our 20s, because I feel like that's what people are tuning in from. Yeah, you obviously have a lot of things that you really care about and that you really want to do. And I think a big dilemma that people have in this decade is there.
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Host/Announcer
Is literally so much that I want to try and I want to achieve and I want to see how do.
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Gemma Spake
I do it all at once. So this may be like a strange question, but like, what are your time management, time management strategies, time management advice, or like maybe deeper thoughts on like.
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Host/Announcer
Yeah, I guess trying to do it all at once.
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Eli Rallo
I think when I hear people have that sort of complaint of like there's so many lives they want to live and so many things I want to try. I'm like, God, what a privilege. Like, you need to reframe it. Like, what a privilege to be so excited to live that there are so many things you want to try. What a privilege to be so like enamored with life that there are so many things you want to do. Like to me the reality is, and it's completely something we can't change. You're never going to be able to try everything. You're never going to be able to probably visit every place or read every book. But like, what a gift that you could try to see as many places as possible or like read as many books as possible or try as many things as possible. Like there are so many people that just don't have that luxury. There are so many people that are born into circumstances where they don't have that luxury or are born or not able bodied. Like I just try to be so grounded in the reality of the privilege it is to be excited to try things and to get to try things. And then I have so often talked with my friends about the fact that I think like in your 20s you kind of have to pick something to be like the center focus point of your world. And that thing can change from chapter to chapter, year to year, even month to month. And like I've sort of picked my job. Like it's at the center of my world. I sacrifice everything else I sacrifice. I make so many sacrifices for my work. For some people they want to choose their friendships. For some people, they want to choose a community that they're a part of. For some people, they choose family or a romantic relationship. I also think that that thing at the center can change. It could change at any given week or any given month. What I mean by this is like, I know that by putting my job and my career right now as the center focal point, I am sacrificing things. I can't always make it to social outings. I don't really go out because I have to rest because I'm, you know, extending myself so much with my work. But that's something I have to be okay with. So I think you have to make. You have to figure out what your priorities are, figure out what the center point is going to be of any month or any week, and then be okay with the boundaries you have to set and the sacrifices you have to make in order to focus on that. And then I think kind of simultaneously, just like, realize it's a privilege to be overwhelmed with choice and to be excited about life. Like, yes, there are so many paths that you could take. And yes, there is such thing as decision fatigue. Like, I so often feel that way. But it's like what a gift it is to be so exhausted by the opportunity to choose something so many people cannot say that they have.
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Host/Announcer
I love that way of thinking about it.
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Gemma Spake
And I also love that if you go even further with that thought, that means that, like, you can always choose again. Right. If you have so many choices that feel equally good, it means that, like, you're actually probably never going to be stuck in one choice.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah. Like, you'll never feel, oh, I took the wrong path, because, like, there's always going to be something else waiting for you if you really do feel like there are so many options. You know what I mean?
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Gemma Spake
And people change their lives, like, every single day. I feel like the reason that people get so, like, fixated on, like, what life do I want to live is because they think that it's like some kind of contract that they're signing with, like, the world or with other people that, like, if I say I'm going to do this and this is who I'm going to be, I have to be ready to give 10 years of.
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Host/Announcer
My life to that.
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Gemma Spake
No one's asking you to do that.
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Host/Announcer
Like, you are allowed to change your.
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Gemma Spake
Mind, like, at any, any given time. In terms of choosing one thing just to start, were there any, like, are there any questions that you were able to ask yourself or that you would ask a friend to help them determine, like, which is the first thing I should do?
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Eli Rallo
I guess it's just like, what do you want to do? Like, I think that people don't. I think that people way over complicate things. Like, what do you want to do? Like, if social media didn't exist and nobody else's opinion mattered, what do you want to do? Like, okay, then do that. I think people way overcomplicate things. At the end of the day, in Adulthood. I've realized there's going to be such a proliferation of choice and you need to get super in touch with yourself to be able to ask yourself, what do I want to do? What do I want to wear? Who do I want to spend my time around? And you have to figure out how to know yourself well enough to answer those questions. I feel like sometimes we're just not asking ourselves that question because we're so caught up in everybody else. And it's like, no, but what do you want? Like that's what I would ask. What do you actually want? And I feel like people aren't asking themselves that. And they're often not asked that either.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, it's always like, how are you going to make money? Like, how are you going to fulfill this dream that I have for you? Like how are you going to be happy? That's the other question I feel like people always get fixated on is like, how do I know I'll be happy?
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Host/Announcer
It's like no one, there is no promise.
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Gemma Spake
Something. I actually, I was talking to my sister about this the other day and tell me if you agree with this line of questioning. And sometimes people like, I think I'll tell you what I always ask her. I say like, the easiest way to determine what kind of life you want is to, is to see who you're jealous of. See who is like lift out their dreams in like such a, such an amazing way that the only way that you can like comprehend that you might want it is through envy because like you want it so badly. And a lot of people are like, when I, when I tell them that are like, wow, you're promoting being jealous. And I'm like, no, because jealousy is actually like two emotions, right? It's actually, it's a two layered thing. There's the initial feeling and then there's how you react to it. You don't have to react in like a backstabbing, terrible self, like self effacing way. You can react in a way that like makes it quite motivating and actually like switches to inspiration and celebration. What do you, what are your thoughts on that? Because I know some people like hear that and like have a completely different take.
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Eli Rallo
I really like that. I think that's like super true point. I'm, I definitely someone who thinks that jealousy is like not really a bad thing. Like I just think like we've villainized it ourselves. But like I always say it's a signal that somebody else has something that you want. And instead of being like, oh, why them and not me? You could just as easily be like, why not us both? Or like, why can't I have that thing too? So I think jealousy is. Yeah, I think it's a super normal human emotion that we have to be like more comfortable kind of confronting and facing.
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Gemma Spake
And it's also, yeah, quite a helpful one as well. Okay, we're going to take a short break, but when we return we're going to talk about comparison, how to manage when people have the wrong idea of.
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Host/Announcer
You, and how to deal with friendship in our 20s. So stay with us.
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Gemma Spake
Let's talk about comparison specifically like comparison in the arts. First question I actually have for you, which is completely unrelated, but what do you think about the term when people call you an influencer? Would you prefer like someone call you an author, a content creator, an influencer? What do you like kind of think about that word?
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Eli Rallo
I don't dislike it necessarily. I think it's so sad that it's become sort of like this derogatory term that men specifically utilize to weaponize it against women. So like knowing that it makes me kind of like it more because I'm like, how are you going to, how are you going to use this term as an insult? And this term literally describes an economy of mostly women who are like pulling themselves out of student debt, buying themselves homes, creating generational wealth for themselves that they never had before. Like, how are you going to use that? Like, as though it's an insult, like kind of screwed up. So I don't mind it. I'm happy with however anybody wants to credit me. Like, of course I would love the books to be referenced but like I'm not bothered by the influencer of it all because I recognize it as like an actual viable career. And I feel like when people say like, oh, do you not want me to call you an influencer? How do you feel about that? It comes from this place of like people don't recognize it as a real career. And that kind of makes me so sad because I'm like, wow, it's like this female dominated industry full of women like completely rewriting their own lives and becoming independently wealthy, which like should be celebrated but for some reason it's not.
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Gemma Spake
See this is the conversation that like is happening in Australia right now where like a bunch of what we would call influencers were obviously like doing political coverage for like our recent election and it was like used as such, like this term to just like completely undercut their, their opinions and to be like, what are they doing like on, in these, in these environments? But like something about that industry, and it is a multi billion dollar industry is that it can be quite competitive as well. And there is a lot of comparison and yeah, like we said, jealousy. How do you manage that? Or do you just not experience it or utilize it in a different way?
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Eli Rallo
Yeah, I think it's like anything else. I'm sure people at their own nine to five jobs have the experience of like, I even talk with my friends like you're competing against a co worker for a promotion. Like there's a lot of competition within those spaces. So I think it's like anything else that like you're going to compare yourself to people and you're going to see somebody on this brand trip getting this deal, shooting this thing and you're going to say, why didn't I get that? But I think if you want to be successful, you can't, you can't view other content creators as competition, only as community. And I genuinely feel that way. Like sometimes those creeping senses of comparison will creep up. But like I know that like Rising tides rise all boats. When one of us wins, we all win. And, like, I believe that the opportunities meant for me won't pass me by. And so, because I believe that, I try not to sit with any sort of comparison at all. And instead, I'm like, that's my community. Like, look at how well people in my community are doing. Like, when I see another influencer write a book, when I see an influencer launch a podcast, a book club, a show, anything that is similar to the stuff I do, like, I'm just celebrating that because it's like, when one person in our community wins, we all win. And the more that we view it like that, just, like, the better it is for everybody. Yeah.
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Gemma Spake
And I feel like we're talking about this, like, in a singular, like, business space. But that's, like, advice that you can take in any area that you're in, in your 20s. Like, especially, like, academics as well. Like, I feel like a lot of people who listen to this are, like, still, obviously still in university. Some of them are even, like, in high school. And the thing is, is that, like, comparison will continue to repeat itself.
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Eli Rallo
Oh, it'll always exist.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, it will always exist. And, like, you think that, like, oh, I'm gonna leave this, like, hyper academic environment. It's gonna be gone. No, because it's, like, a human quality. Right. So it's gonna be with you. You have to, like, just change how.
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Host/Announcer
You approach it totally.
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Eli Rallo
And I also think that, like, you're just gonna continue to raise the standards that you have set for yourself. So it's, like, not going anywhere. You just have to learn how to maintain and manage it.
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Gemma Spake
Okay, so this is another kind of element of this that I think you probably deal with, like, in your career more than others, but which everyone is going to come across at some point in their lives, which is managing people having the wrong impression or opinion of you. And I actually saw you make, like, an Instagram story about this the other day, which was like, that's the worst part of this job is having the bravery to, like, be like, this is my life now. Comment on it however you would would like. And not being able to kind of talk back to those, like, you know, false impressions. How do you manage that?
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Eli Rallo
I think you have to realize, like, there are people that are hell bent on misunderstanding you. Like, whatever you say, they will be like, you're wrong. There are people that have a story about you in their mind. They mine for details to confirm that story is true. The story is riddled with confirmation bias. And it's like, like I don't want to focus on that 1% of people. If I could focus on the 99 of people who know my heart and my person and who I am. So I just ignore it. I think it takes a lot of strength to get to that place. And I don't think it's for everyone. Like, I have a lot of friends who are, like, I would love to post but like, I could never deal with the perception aspect. And I get that. Like, it's not for everyone. And that's not to say I'm like stronger than anyone else. It's just a matter of, do you want to deal with it? Yes or no. I do believe anyone could get to a place where they're dealing with it in a healthy way. But not everybody wants to, which is totally valid. And I get. And I wouldn't recommend it, Like, I wouldn't recommend it because it takes a lot of mental strength to get to a place where you can just read like nasty lies about yourself. And you have to, you can't do anything about it. Like you, there's zero you could do. If you try to. If you, if someone said she had a nose job and you never had a nose job, so you went on a lie detector test and said, I never had a nose job and it said you were telling the truth, they would be like, she paid off the lie detector. Like, if they believe that you had a nose job, even if you never did, they're never not going to believe that. So there's nothing that you can do. And once you just free yourself from the idea that, like, people are just gonna be hell bent on having the wrong idea of you, why would you focus on anyone who has the wrong idea about you? Like, you know the truth. Like, it really brings me peace to know I've never had a nose job. Do you know what I mean? I mean, that's just an example. No one's ever said that about me. But like, like, that's my example. Like, I've never had a nose job. And if you know that about yourself, why should it matter that people are spinning a false falsified story about the fact that you had one? You know what I mean?
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, I do. And I feel like it's this whole everything we've been talking about here, like, relies on the fact that we get so much of our identity and validation and sense of self worth from like our social ties. And so when we are misunderstood, when we feel jealous, when we feel comparison, it kind of fractures that like, foundation for our beliefs. This is just like another battle for this. What's like the worst misunderstanding that you've heard about yourself? Like, I have one, but like, of my, of my own. And I feel like each of us has this thing that like, we have been misunderstood about that we wish we could like, clarify what's yours.
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Eli Rallo
People always like, have said that, like, my parents paid for my book deals, which, like, I don't understand how people can't wrap their head around this. Like, you cannot pay a traditional publisher to publish your book. You cannot pay Simon and Schuster, Hachette, Harper Collins, like Penguin, you cannot pay them. That's not a thing. It doesn't exist. There's no amount of money in the world that they will take to publish your book. Like, you can't do that. So that frustrates me because I feel like it just undermines like what I was able to do for myself. People say my parents connected me to them. My parents work in restaurants, they own small family run businesses. One time my dad self published a coffee table book about food. Like that was a self publication. You can go and do it on Amazon. You can pay someone to self publish a book. My parents don't have connections in publishing. If they did, I never would have went into student debt to go to grad school. I would have said, mom and dad, hook me up with your connections. Like, they don't have them. And if they did, like, I'm so honest about so many things that happened in my life. I would share my connections. Like, I would say I had them, but I didn't have them. So it frustrates and upsets me that that allegation comes my way a lot because I'm like, damn. And then yeah, of course the her parents pay for everything, which is just simply untrue. And I think that like a lot of people, like, I grew up very privileged. And the truth of the matter is my parents themselves did not grow up privileged. Like the life that they've given to myself and my brothers was very different from the lives that they had themselves. And so it brings me a lot of sadness to like see people that work so hard get sort of that tossed in their face because it's like they've worked so hard for my brothers and I, but also I was cut off the day I graduated college. I am so transparent about how privileged that I have been in my life that I did not have student debt from my undergrad, which is like an unbelievable massive privilege that sets me up to be like Miles ahead of other people. And I understand that truly and deeply. But I think it upsets me to see, oh, her parents pay for her whole life because, like, I'm so proud of myself. And also, like, my parents didn't come from what they were able to provide from us, for us. So I think it also, like, I don't know, it just makes me feel upset. Like, they didn't instill a work ethic in me or that, like, they're just paying for me, which they're not. And I don't know. I think that that can be frustrating, and it's something that's levied at a lot of women who don't come from privilege as well, which I'm just like, that's just plain sexist. I guess I could see how people are arriving at the point that my parents, like, bankroll my life, but, like, I haven't taken a dime from them since I graduated college. I would go on a lie detector test. I wished I. I wish I could. Those are some of them like, that. I get that it's just frustrating. And, like, I don't really need to prove people wrong because I don't really care. You can believe my parents pay for my life and that they bought my book deals and that they connected me with everybody. But, like, that was true. I would be. I would have been a published author at, like, 18, literally.
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Gemma Spake
Exactly. No.
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Eli Rallo
And then I would have been calling that. That contact up at, like, 16.
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Gemma Spake
You would have been transferring the money into the bank accounts. Let's go.
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Eli Rallo
Like, yeah, like, let's. I would have been paying for it myself. It's so frustrating. That's frustrating to me. And, like, you know, there are worse things, like, in the world than that, but that's one of them that I'm always, like, dang. Like, I wish that, like, people just believe that I could work hard. And obviously privilege has so much to do with it, and I never want to shy away from that fact. Like, the privilege I've had has undoubtedly set me ahead and allowed me to achieve the things I've achieved at such time a just such a young age. And that's not what I'm trying to suggest. I'm just trying to suggest when people, like, blatantly make up lies about me, it can be frustrating.
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Gemma Spake
I think it's also frustrating because it obviously, like, are things that go so deeply against your value set. Like, I'm sure people have a lot of things that you could easily dismiss and be like, no, but it's. When Something is, like, so deep, actually, against your core values and who you.
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Eli Rallo
Are as a person.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, exactly.
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Eli Rallo
Because I'd be honest, like, if I think it's so. I always see those memes of, like, when you find out your friend's parents are paying for their rent, but they, like, lie about it and stuff like that. Like, if my parents were paying for anything, I would be so open about that because I think, like, transparency in that regard is so important in our 20s, especially around money. Money. So awkward. And I would like, to your point about it going against my value set. Like, if my parents connected me with somebody in the publishing world, I would also be honest about that, because then my story would be a lie. The story of, like, how I got to where I am today would be just a total lie. And, like, that's so problematic and unfortunate, you know?
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, exactly. And also, it's like, it just wouldn't be smart business.
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Eli Rallo
It just wouldn't be smart business.
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Gemma Spake
It just.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah, yeah.
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Gemma Spake
Like, if you. If. If you believe nothing else, like, you can believe that you would be doing what's best for your business and for, like, your identity.
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Eli Rallo
That's.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Eli Rallo
It's like, wait, it's like lying about, like, your parents being Nepo baby.
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Gemma Spake
Like, to be.
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Eli Rallo
Like, when Nepo babies, they're like, I'm not a Nepo baby. I've worked so hard for this. Like. Like, people aren't pissed about Nepo babies. They're pissed when they don't admit that they're. They had a leg up. You know what I mean?
- [37:46]
Gemma Spake
No, I know. And I. I don't know if you know the comedian Robbie Hoffman. I feel like I talk about her on the podcast all the time. She's so funny. She is so funny. Yes. So underrated. Like, she was on Hacks. Like, she was on Dying for Sex, two really amazing shows. I feel like if the frequent listeners of the podcast are sick of me talking about how good she is. But she did this interview with Raven from that's so Raven Obsessed and her wife, and she was like, I don't care if you have money. I want the money. Like, that's why, like, people care about it. But don't lie about it. Like, we don't want you to be poor. We just also want to be rich, and we want you to be honest and like it. And it was. It's very, very interesting because, like, I remember I went to this, like, inner city public school in, like, Melbourne, and everyone's parents there. Well, the majority of them were Living in an incredibly wealthy area and no one would really admit that like, maybe they'd had a few handouts and that like maybe actually like they were doing pretty well. And there was this whole culture of like, who, like. I think it's even more offensive when someone takes like, takes the idea of like, I don't know, not having much or like, of poverty or like really struggling and never having and cosplays as it. Yeah, exactly.
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Eli Rallo
100. I think it's so important. Like I've always been transparent about growing up privileged and being a privileged person. And like having parents who are able to like aid me with my education, like that is a tremendous privilege. To lie about that would be crazy because it is a massive leg up to graduate from college without student debt, like a massive. In America, like that is a massive privilege. It sets you on a different path. It allowed me to be financially independent, how I am now. So I think that to your point, like you're totally right. Like people who have money and who are financially privileged, like, nobody is mad at you, they just want you to be. Unless you're, you know, super unethical billionaire. Yeah, People just want you honest about it. People want you to be honest about it. And I think what frustrates me about lies that have been told about me is that I have been so honest about all of it so far and they just pick and choose what to believe. Like, why would I start lying now about, you know, oh, like my parents bought my book deal or something like that? Like, that's just frustrating. Like, why would I lie about that? Like, if that happened, I promise I would be telling the 100 truth. If my parents were paying for my lifestyle, I would tell the truth about that because it sells everyone a falsified sense of reality and what's possible, Like I'm just going to be honest about my financial place in this world as I have been. And I think it's important that other people do the same. Other people especially who come from privilege, like to the point of like, oh, my parents pay my rent and other people are looking at you like, how can you afford all of this? And it's like, because they're getting help. It's, it's I think really important in your 20s to be very open about that kind of stuff. Because a lot of people are struggling and also a lot of influencers are posting lives online that people don't understand how they could lead.
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Gemma Spake
I know. And then I think it sets people up for failure when they're like this is possible for me. And then they like bankrupt themselves.
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Eli Rallo
Yes. Yeah, it's which we see bad influencing. It's bad influencing to omit the truth about your reality on the Internet in order to make it appear a certain way because people will feel influenced by you. And I try to take that with a heightened level of responsibility and like be really honest.
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Gemma Spake
See the thing that like I like the biggest misunderstanding that someone had about me was really similar and it's funny. Yeah, well, it was like, I remember it was this one comment and one like thread that I found. Like, just never look up yourself on Reddit, by the way. Like anyone out there, like, just don't do it. It's the worst decision of your life. But someone was like, oh, she's money hungry. Because like when I signed, I signed my, you know, deal for my podcast when I had a full time job and you know, there were all these expectations for how many ads I would run and it was kind of the only way to be able to quit. And you know, that contract was for is for many, many years. And people always get frustrated by ads on the podcast. And I've. And every time someone brings it up, oh my God, it just really upsets me. And I, I know, I know. It just, it really upsets me and I can never figure like for a while like my friends were like, why is it this, like why is it this that you people say it all the time and every time you have such a visceral reaction. And I think it's because again, it's that there is all this context that people don't know and they make an assumption off of a very, very limited thing.
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Eli Rallo
Also it's like, how are you, how are you supposed to pay your bills if not for ads? Like, they should be excited that you have more time to focus on the podcast because you've been able to leverage it as a full time career. And again, a woman who is self made is so important in this world. I don't know why we're not applauding more self made women and instead we just need to tear them down constantly. And it's always like a man paid for it or she's doing too much or oh, she's money hungry now. But a dude could be like, I want to be rich and nobody cares.
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Gemma Spake
Exactly, exactly. And I think there's like, again, it's this value thing where it's like, you have no idea how below my means I actually live. And like you have no idea like how much money I even make. And like the money that I give to like family members and the money that I give to like, like through donations and like how I help friends. Like I think that's the thing where it's like you don't know. And it's like my parents always raised me to be, again it always comes back to this value. Like my parents always raised me to be very generous and to always like take what you have and give it back. And so when people assume that you're not what you've always been raised to be, like for you, you were always raised to be hard working and people assume that you are not that, it's like just the deepest wound that can be cut. And I think it also again comes down to this thing of like people not being honest about, about things and thinking. So you assume the worst. Like you assume the worst of someone that you really don't know anything about.
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Eli Rallo
And I don't judge anybody. Like I do judge people for coming at you like that. But I get where they're getting it. They're getting it from people who have lied. Do you know what I mean?
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Gemma Spake
Yeah.
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Eli Rallo
Like they're getting it from the people who have lied because there are people who have lied. But ultimately I just think we need to be celebrating more financially independent, successful and self made women especially who are just like unproblematic and doing their best and like are honest. Like seems that you've been very honest. So that's just like so horrible. I'm sorry.
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Gemma Spake
Like, oh no, I'm sorry for you as well. Like it's. But again, I love how we're like, let's give, let's give advice on how to be misunderstood and we're like, we're. I'm still angry.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah, I, yeah, I think it's, it's frustrating. Right? But like I think at the end of the day like I freed myself from that kind of stuff. I mean you asked about it, so I'll bring it back up. But the idea that my parents paid for my book deal, the idea that I, I don't fund my own lifestyle, like those things are deeply rooted in sexism because they wouldn't say it about my brothers, they don't say it about men. And it's deeply troubling to me when they levy it at women who didn't come from privilege. Like I understand how you got there with me. Like I can see how you got there. It makes sense. Women who didn't come from privilege, like that is so insulting. Like they are completely and entirely self made and that's what you're gonna say. Like, that is so deeply sexist to say about somebody who has put themselves in a financial situation they never would have been in before, which is true of so many female content creators and entrepreneurs in the media space.
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Gemma Spake
And this is the thing is, like, whatever situation you find yourself in, again, you know your truth, but also people can have those opinions and it does.
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Host/Announcer
Not change how much you have worked.
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Gemma Spake
For this and it does not change all the effort behind the scenes. And it's this thing of, like, okay, if you truly believe that this is all that it took, give it a go. Like, if you truly believe that this is what happened, like, try and find another story like that. Or, like, and for people who are, you know, obviously not kind of in the space that we are in, I think it's just about having such a stoic mindset and being like, okay, but genuinely, how does this impact the actual reality of the situation? It's just words and someone who is thinking about you that much, like, they don't have time to think about themselves in a way that's improving them and bettering them. So it's like you, it's your gain through their loss, right? Like, they have chosen to own, like, let you occupy their mind. That's a win for you. Like, you just can't let that happen to you as well and let them occupy your mind.
- [47:00]
Eli Rallo
I think the cost of sort of being seen and putting yourself out there is dislike. Like the idea of people disliking you. You have to be brave enough so that people could dislike you, which is scary, but real.
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Gemma Spake
It's the cost of, like, a lot of success. All right, we're going to take one.
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Host/Announcer
More break, but when we return, I.
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Gemma Spake
Want to talk about your relationship and also a little bit about new book. Stay with us.
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Gemma Spake
Am I right in saying you got engaged this year or last year?
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Eli Rallo
Yes, I got engaged last year. 2024.
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Gemma Spake
Okay. How was.
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Eli Rallo
Was so magical and perfect and I'm so excited for our wedding, which it's crazy, is like eight months away now and it feels like it happened so quickly.
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Gemma Spake
My gosh, eight months away. How was the wedding planning period? I guess you're still in it, right?
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Eli Rallo
It's interesting. My mom is definitely doing a lot of it, so that's really helpful. Frankly with like this whole book situation, I haven't been thinking much about the wedding. But I know once the book is behind us and we kind of get closer to 2026, it's going to be sort of all hands on deck. Which, yeah, it's crazy.
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Gemma Spake
You're having like a little summer wedding. Almost like a pre summer wedding.
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Eli Rallo
Yes, pre summer wedding. Like kickoff of summer, which I love because summer is my favorite season.
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Host/Announcer
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Gemma Spake
Okay, this is a question I get, Speaking of our 20s I get all the time, which is how do I know that I'm with the right person? What are your thoughts on that? How did you know that you were with the right person?
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Eli Rallo
I think it's like, like so annoying to say. Like I, I can't stress how annoying this is going to be. But like if you have to ask, it's not the right person. You will know. Like, I promise you, you will know. It is the most subtle and also deeply comforting feeling of just like, this is my person. There's no other way this could go. It's only us. Like, I can't describe it other than that. Like it just makes sense and like you will know if you're. It's not some big fireworks, explosive feeling. It's very Subtle and very comforting. And I think if you're searching for it, it's not there. And I don't mean to be condescending like at all. I, I just had never felt the way that I feel with my partner now with anybody else that I'd ever been with. And I thought some of them were the one, but they weren't. And it took meeting the person who was to be like, damn, like, that's what it feels like to be with the right person. It's just very comfortable, very subtle, very comforting, very obvious.
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Host/Announcer
Yes.
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Gemma Spake
This is like the line that everyone always says, like, you know, you know. And I think when you. Yeah. And I think again, like when you were in the situation where you're like, what do they mean by that? It's like, well, you probably haven't, you.
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Eli Rallo
Haven'T felt that way and that's okay. Like, it's more special if it's singular. Like, it's gonna come for you and who knows? Like, but why would you want to feel that a million times like the person that you're gonna want to end up being with, like, that should be more special than the rest. So like, being patient for that feeling is worth it.
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Gemma Spake
When do you think is the time to leave a relationship? So if you have this feeling and you're like, I'm just not sure, how much time do you think you should give yourself to really maybe investigate it? If you've got like a bit of relationship anxiety or like you just found yourself being quite stressed about relationships in general?
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Eli Rallo
I think it depends on how long you've been in the relationship. Like if it's been like six months and you're like, I'm not. I think every individual relationship is different. Right. I think you just have to take the time that you need to investigate it and be real with yourself. I would talk to someone about it. Maybe that's a therapist, a trusted family member, a friend. Sometimes like getting the feelings out into the world with someone like non judgmental can be helpful. And then I would make your decision from there. I wouldn't linger for too long. Like, I feel like the same way. If you know, you know about be wanting to be with someone, there's an if you know, you know about wanting to get out. And sometimes we avoid the feeling for far too long. But like, the longer you avoid it, the harder it'll be.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah. And trust your gut. Like, it's not relationship anxiety if it's been following you for months. Like if this has been like three months, six months, like, there's something else going on there.
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Eli Rallo
There's something else going on there and.
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Gemma Spake
You'Ll feel, like, a huge sense of relief. I think, like, a lot of people don't want to be single and that's actually why they stay in a relationship.
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Eli Rallo
Yeah.
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Gemma Spake
What's like, your thoughts or advice on that predicament?
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Eli Rallo
I don't think, like, being single is inferior to being in a relationship. Like, I don't see one as, like, a waiting room and one as a destination. I see them as, like, sort of equivalents or, like, being single can be equal to dating and can be equal to being in a relationship. You can be single and want to be in a relationship, but there's, like, nothing wrong with being single. And I think once you realize, like, being single is not a waiting room, it gets so much better because, like, you're like, yeah, right. Like, I was, like, waiting to live my life till I was in a relationship. That's sort of so sad. Like, let me just live it now. I understand being scared to be single after being in a partnership for so long, but, like, being scared means that you care, and I think that's a really good place to start. And not only that, like, when you are scared and when you do something brave, like, that's when the greatest transformations of your life happens. You have to, like, like, keep the faith that on the other side it will be good again. And I do believe that it will be. Like, no one has been heartbroken for their whole entire life. It's not a thing.
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Gemma Spake
And even if they have, they've made amazing art from it, like, or they have, like, poured that into other people, like, yeah, something.
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Eli Rallo
But even so, yeah, this is the thing.
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Gemma Spake
Like, I was saying this to my friend the other day. I was like, maybe that's where all the cat ladies come. And there's a lot of souls that need love. And, like, there's always. You're always going to find love in, like, some form, right? Like, maybe you, maybe you will grieve this person for the rest of your life. You probably most certainly won't. But if you do, like, that means that you're going to have so much more emotion to put into other things as well. And that means you're going to feel very, very human. And also you're just like, that's the worst case scenario. It's obviously not going to actually occur.
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Eli Rallo
Absolutely.
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Gemma Spake
People are so flexible and get over so much more and so much worse. And your heart can take so much more than you expect. Let's like, turn our focus back onto your book as we wrap up. It's out now. When this episode comes out. You guys may have caught on that we are recording this a little bit early, but I just had to get Eli on the show. It's out now. What is your favorite chapter or favorite takeaway from this collection of essays?
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Eli Rallo
I love the last chapter. Like, that's probably my fave. Like, if I had to choose my number one, it would be the last. I also really like the first, but my favorite favorite thing is, like, getting to see what other people think of it. Like, somebody's favorite chapter is not going to be one of those two that I just mentioned. And I can't wait to find those little nuggets of reader feedback out once it's in the world.
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Gemma Spake
What's the last chapter on?
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Eli Rallo
So we all know it is. Does anyone else feel like it's okay not to know everything?
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Gemma Spake
The biggest fear about 20s, the fear from which all other fears stem from, I believe the fear of like. Of the unhappy.
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Eli Rallo
Yes.
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Gemma Spake
I can't wait to read it. We always finish with this one question, and I'm excited to hear your answer, which is, what is one thing you wish you knew sooner about your twenties or one piece of advice you would have for someone in your 20s that has nothing to do with what we discussed today?
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Eli Rallo
I would say, like, don't try to waste it away. Don't try to be, like, on to the next all the time. I think there was a large chunk of my twenties that I like, was just so wanting to, like, be out of that phase, out of my skin, into a different. Different phase into a different moment. And I just, like, really regret not living in the present more. So I would say just, like, lean into the moment, even if it's uncomfortable, sticky, shitty, awful, you hate it. You're never going to get the time back. And who knows what the future holds.
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Host/Announcer
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Gemma Spake
Respect all seasons. They're there for a reason. Even I love even the terrible ones. Yeah. Well, I want to thank you again for coming on the podcast. Where can everybody find you?
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Host/Announcer
You.
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Eli Rallo
You can find me on Instagram, Eli at eli Rallo and TikTok at Eli Rallo. And you can get the book wherever you buy books.
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Gemma Spake
Yeah, you can get both books. I will leave yes them in the description below. They have really cool covers as well.
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Eli Rallo
Oh, my gosh. Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Gemma Spake
The COVID like, I remember when you announced, like, your second book, I was like, that's a really sexy cover.
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Eli Rallo
Thank you. Thank you.
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Gemma Spake
People are gonna love it. Thank you again for joining us as always.
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