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The Read Well Podcast

Episode 124: Read Like Socrates – How to Choose Books That Actually Make You Better
Host: Eddy Hood
Date: February 9, 2026

Episode Overview

In this reflective and practical episode, Eddy Hood explores the philosophical foundations of reading well, applying Socratic principles from Plato's dialogue Protagoras to the modern reader's challenge: How do you choose books and teachers that actually improve your life? Through engaging storytelling, relatable examples, and thought experiments, Eddy guides listeners toward cultivating a more intentional and meaningful reading practice.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Makes a Book "Good"? (00:00–02:14)

Eddy questions the criteria for choosing quality books among countless options, expressing his aspiration to spend time only with the "best books."
He introduces the central theme: How Socrates’ reasoning about choosing teachers from Protagoras can inform our approach to selecting books.

2. Plato's Protagoras & Socrates' Challenge (02:15–08:05)

Background: Socrates counsels a young man, Hippocrates, eager (and cash-strapped) to pay for teachings from the sophist Protagoras.
Socrates’ key line:

“Once you have learned something, you must go your way, having been either harmed or benefited.”
(Eddy quoting Socrates, 07:15)
Main takeaways:
- Learning isn’t neutral: All information, whether good or bad, impacts you.
- Critical responsibility: Readers should approach books not as passive vessels but as active, discerning agents.

3. Books Can Help or Harm (08:06–10:34)

Eddy provides a playful but pointed example: A health book promoting an all-strawberry diet could do more harm than good if accepted without skepticism.
He asks listeners to interrogate every book: Why read it? Are the author’s claims backed up or pure opinion?
- “All I’m asking is that when we pick books to read, that we understand that information will impact us either for the positive or the negative.” (09:45)
Even the best, most researched books can be flawed.

4. Ownership of Your Education (10:35–13:20)

Historical anecdote: Frederick Douglass, who seized his education in the face of slavery, serves as an exemplar of personal responsibility.
Eddy’s call to action:
- “The moment we acknowledge that my education is my responsibility, it becomes a moment of pride and we want to do it right.” (12:49)
Listeners are urged to stop outsourcing their learning to others and to own their educational journey.

5. The Dinner Party Thought Experiment (13:21–20:28)

Scenario: Imagine a dinner party with seven seats for the “teachers” (authors) who will shape the rest of your life.
- Who do you choose?
  
  “If you had to pick only seven people to sit at your table, who would those people be and why?” (14:35)
Eddy walks through his shelves, debating the merits of authors and philosophers:
- Michel de Montaigne is a definite pick.
- Henry David Thoreau—loved for his writing, but maybe too difficult in person.
- Dostoevsky—essential for his breadth and depth.
- Poetry as a necessity—mentions Walt Whitman, Billy Collins, and Maya Angelou as contenders.
- Ray Bradbury—a creative and entertaining possibility.
- Philosophers like Camus, Marcus Aurelius, and even Socrates or Nietzsche considered (though with hesitations!).
Reflection: The process forces prioritization and clarity about personal learning goals.
- “This process…really reminds me that I’ve only got so much time, and I can either read haphazardly or become a student of this stuff.” (19:30)

6. Choosing Teachers Based on Your Goals (20:29–23:10)

The best teachers and books depend on your ambitions and the person you want to become. Eddy’s aspirations draw him to philosophers and essayists, but everyone’s “table” will look different.
- “The teachers that you need in your life are going to be different than the teachers I need in my life…based on what we’re trying to accomplish, the people we’re trying to become.” (21:28)
Tip: Your engagement with a book—and how much you remember—depends on genuine interest and the deliberate choice to study what matters to you.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Socratic standard in learning:

“Socrates…is a stickler for definitions and getting at the root of what something means and why that even matters.” (04:51)
On dangers of passive reading:

“It is my responsibility to take care of my own education. I can’t outsource this education to this book and then just believe whatever it says and do whatever it says.” (11:10)
A personal challenge:

“If you get anything out of this episode…it is this: that right now you can make the decision to stop offshoring, outsourcing, delegating your education…instead acknowledge that it is your responsibility to educate yourself.” (12:00)
On why we forget what we read:

“A lot of people tell me that they struggle with remembering what they read. And…my honest response again, is, well, you don’t care enough about it to remember it.” (22:48)
Book recommendation (see below):

“It’s a dialogue that explores the importance of taking responsibility for what you learn, because it’ll either benefit you or harm you.” (25:15)

Important Timestamps

00:00–02:14 – Episode introduction and theme: what makes a book “good”?
02:15–08:05 – Story of Hippocrates, Socrates, and Protagoras; Socratic wisdom on learning’s impact.
08:06–10:34 – The risk of bad books; the need to question claims and intentions.
10:35–13:20 – Taking full ownership of your education; Frederick Douglass example.
13:21–20:28 – The dinner party experiment; deciding on your most valued “teachers” and why.
20:29–23:10 – Aligning your reading—and remembering—with personal purpose.
25:00–26:00 – Book recommendation: Protagoras by Plato, with tips on approaching Socratic dialogues.

Eddy’s Book Recommendation

Plato’s Protagoras

“Go read Plato’s dialogue, Protagoras. …It’s a dialogue that explores the importance of taking responsibility for what you learn, because it’ll either benefit you or harm you.” (25:15)
Tips:
- Free online or at a local library/bookstore.
- Dialogue form; expect “Socratic fatigue,” but worth the effort.
- Take notes, highlight, and reflect intentionally.

Closing Advice

Be deliberate: Take responsibility for your learning.
Curate your “dinner table” of books and teachers with purpose.
Read slowly, annotate, and apply what you learn.
“The moment we acknowledge that my education is my responsibility, it becomes a moment of pride and we want to do it right.” (12:49)

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Lately, I've been thinking a lot about the books that I read and what it qualifies to be a good book. What does that even mean? You know, when I'm looking at hosts and hosts of titles that I could potentially read, I do want to spend my time with what I would call maybe the best books. And I came across an argument this last week because I'm taking a class in the history of philosophy, and our teacher has us reading a really great dialogue by Plato called Protagoras. Today, I'm going to talk to you about an argument in that dialogue from Socrates himself on why it matters in regards to choosing the best books and why you should choose who your teachers are going to be. All right, let's get into it. Welcome to this week's episode of the Read well podcast. My name is Eddie Hood, and I'm your host, where I believe it's more important to read well than to be well read. So grab your favorite book, open up your notes, and let's get ready to learn something fascinating. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Read well podcast. My name is Eddie Hood, and I am sitting here on a beautiful Friday afternoon wondering how it is even possibly winter. It's kind of a funny thing because I live in Utah, and we have sort of this state tagline that we have the greatest snow on Earth, and it hasn't snowed once this year, which is ridiculous and sad and weird. It feels like summer where I'm from. And anyway, I don't know why I'm sharing all of that with you other than the fact that I've been out walking around today and people are in shorts. And it just got me thinking about how life changes and things throughout throw unexpected, you know, experiences at you. And one of the things that I've been working on lately is getting a degree in philosophy from my local college here. It's called Weber State University. Big fan of Weber State. Anyway, while I'm there, I was in a classic I mentioned called the History of Philosophy, and we've been talking about several thinkers, and right now we just happen to be in Plato. And Plato, of course, is a huge sort of pillar of Western philosophy. And one of his dialogues I had never read before, it's called Protagoras. And I'm really happy I got to read it because in that dialogue, he really is trying to explore with a gentleman named Protagoras what it means to learn something well and also to sort of question who you're learning from and why that even matters. There's a really great line in this dialogue that I want to share with you today. We're going to break this apart, and then we're going to apply it to our lives as readers. Now, let me give you some background on this story before we get into it. This is important to understand. So Socrates has been mentoring this young man named Hippocrates. And Hippocrates is very excited because someone new is coming to town, somebody called Protagoras. And Protagoras is important because he considered himself to be the first sophist. Sophist is a term you'll hear a lot in Western philosophy and what have you. And really what it meant by sophistry or sophistry, whatever you want to say, is that these were the people walking around who were charging for their intelligence. They were asking for a fee in order to sit at their feet and hear them express their ideas, craft arguments, and so on. And people were paying this money. They were. They were happy to sit at the feet of, you know, the smartest people out there in order to better themselves. It's not really different from anything we do today. I mean, we pay our teachers, we go to conferences, we pay sometimes insane amounts of money to, you know, go to random, you know, who knows what sort of programs. So it's understandable why Hippocrates is excited. He wants to better himself. Now, it's important to understand first that Hippocrates has no money. Well, he has very little of it, actually. And he's having to sort of borrow from friends and family and sort of gather all he can in order to cover the fee that Protagoras wants to charge so that he can learn something and better himself. So he goes to Socrates, the philosopher that most of us know by name, and he's very excited. And he tells Socrates this plan. He says, you know, hey, I'm going to go, I'm going to pay the fee, and I'm going to, you know, sit at the foot of this great man and better myself. And Socrates, in his incredibly persistent fashion, does what he always does. He says, now, hold on a minute, let's get clear on a few things before you just rush off and spend a bunch of money. And what Socrates is really known for, well, there are several things he was known for, but one of them is that he is a stickler for definitions. And he is a stickler for getting at the root of what something means and why that even matters. So he. He sort of puts the brakes on. Hippocrates is like, you know, plan to run off and talk to this guy. They do eventually get there. But before they do, Socrates sits down and has a conversation and says this great line to Hippocrates. Here it is, he says, once you have learned something, you must go your way, having been either harmed or benefited. Now I love this passage because what he's suggesting is that learning is not a passive thing. And when you learn something, it's going to influence you either for the better or the worse. I think we usually consider learning as a positive thing, don't we? We think, yeah, you're going to get educated, you're going to learn new things. You, you should go do that. But what Socrates is saying is that sometimes learning is not a good thing. If you think about it, it's very possible to read a book on, let's say, your health. And if that book is making claims that aren't founded, that are just the opinions of somebody and they, they can be pretty out there. And there's a lot of these books on health, by the way, obviously. But you read it for gospel and you think this is the greatest thing ever. You could then go out and apply what you'd learned and do damage to your life. Let's just, for argument's sake, let's say that this book suggests that you should only ever eat strawberries. Now I like strawberries. I don't know about you, but I don't think I could eat them always and forever and have that be the only thing that I consume. And I've got to think that even though strawberries are generally probably pretty good for you, I mean, they're fruit, they're a sugary fruit, but they're better than, I don't know, Snickers candy bar. But if that is all I ate, it probably wouldn't go very well for me. I know that's sort of a goofy example, but it's a very real example. Take any book on your bookshelf and ask yourself a few questions. Why did I buy this book? What are the claims in this book? And also more importantly, are those claims backed up or are they simply opinions? Now opinions aren't bad. I'm not railing on them. You know, opinion pieces or op ed pieces or whatever you might have can be very, you know, interesting. I mean, a lot of essays, for example, are just opinions of people making arguments. So it's not that I'm saying we shouldn't care about the opinions of others or read them. All I'm asking is that when we pick books to read that we understand that information will impact us either for the positive or the negative. And we should be aware that both are equally plausible here. So I think it's fair to say that some books, well, you know, many books are probably not right and have many things in error, actually. But even the best books can be wrong, no matter how well researched they are. They can have the, you know, the most beautifully crafted arguments where they are looking at everything from every aspect, and even then they end up leaving a. Maybe a bad taste in your mouth, or they're just making claims that ultimately could be harmful. So I'm not suggesting that books written by doctors or researchers are going to be better than other books, but what I am saying is that despite the potential truth or fallacies found in any of these books, we really can't do anything about that. What we can do is hold ourselves as readers to a higher standard, right before we just grab a book and buy it because the COVID is beautiful or because our friend said, hey, this book changed my life, you should go read it, it's going to change yours too. Before we just sort of pick up a book and start reading it, we should take a little bit of care in what Socrates is suggesting and acknowledge that this book will change me. It will affect me either for the good or for the bad. And because of that, it is my responsibility to take care of my own education. Right. I can't outsource this education to this book and then just believe whatever it says and do whatever it says. It makes me think of the experience of Frederick Douglass. I don't know why my brain is going here, but this is a great story of a man who was born into slavery in Maryland. And he found himself on a plantation, essentially considered the product of the slave owner. He was born into slavery. He never knew freedom at this early age at least. And he watched people in the fields get whipped, he was beaten himself, and so on. He realized that in that moment, the only way to get out of his horrible situation was to educate himself. And he was not going to get education from his slaveholders or from anybody else around him. Frederick Douglass acknowledged that his education was his responsibility. And the moment he took care of it was the moment he began to read and sort of escape this, like, path that life had sort of carved out for him. So much so that he escaped to the northern territories, became friends with President Lincoln, and became one of the greatest speakers of all time and still influences us today simply because, well, not simply Jesus, but absolutely because he took charge of his own education. Foreign. I think you and I have the same responsibility. Obviously very different life situations from Mr. Douglas or from anybody else. But no matter where you are in life, no matter who you are, your income level, no matter how many books you've read or haven't read, it's really valuable. And I hope if you get anything out of this week's episode from the podcast, it is this. That right now you can make the decision to stop offshoring, outsourcing, delegating your education to other people, other institutions and other ideologies, and instead acknowledge that it is your responsibility to educate yourself. The moment that we do that is the moment, I think we take pride in learning something the right way. You know, when we outsource our education, we just kind of take what they give us. We try to get through the test, we try to, like, pass the thing so that we can just get on with it. But the moment we acknowledge that my education is my responsibility, it becomes a moment of pride and we want to do it right. So all that to be said, take your decision. If you're going to make this decision with me now, right, plant your flag in the dirt of education and say, from now on, I am responsible. It's not the job of my parents. It's not the job of my teachers. It's not the job of my employer. It is my job. And go into your. Your reading room, wherever that might be, and look at your books, right? Maybe you have three books, maybe you have 3,000, I don't know. But look at what you have and then ask yourself this. How are these books going to improve or potentially harm your life? Are you reading books that you're taking responsibly responsibility for? If not, might I suggest that you join with me in trying to hold ourselves to a higher standard? Now, I screw this up all the time. I read books because it's fashionable. I read books because it looks cool. I'm not trying to be preachy here. I'm just giving myself a call to action. And if you feel inclined to, you know, to join in, then please let me know. Now, how do you let me know? Well, I'd love to hear from you. The best way to do that. You can email me. I. I can be found at eddyhereadwellpodcast.com eddy@the readwellpodcast.com I try to respond to everybody's messages. And I love it when you send me your thoughts and ideas about books, or you can jump on my Facebook page or my YouTube page or wherever and just shoot me a comment. I do my best to be a part of the community whenever and however I can. I would love to know what it is that you're reading and why you find it to be uplifting in whatever way you find that it is. I want to end on this week's little discussion about holding ourselves to a higher standard as readers with this final thought. And then we can sort of move on to this week's book recommendation. Let's say you're having a dinner party and you're working really hard at your home and you, you get it cleaned, you've been preparing the menu and you are just beside yourself excited for all of the guests that are going to come. Now, the problem is, is your table is only so big. It is constrained. You have a place for eight seats and one of those seats is you, by the way. So really, there are only seven seats left now at this dinner party are going to be the teachers that you're going to spend the rest of your life with. These are going to be the people who you will turn to for thoughts of inspiration, sources of education and so on. Right. If you had to pick only seven people to sit at your table, who would those people be and why? Now, I think this is an important sort of thought exercise because it really immediately, at least for me, rules out all the people who are a little more guru y and a little more opinionated. A little more, hey, I've got some ideas and so I'm going to quickly put something out and just see what happens. Kind of people. Yeah, that's fine. I do that too. I'm a YouTuber, so I don't know that I should be at your table, but there are seven people who definitely should be at your table and there are seven people who should be at mine. And it's really hard for me to think about that because now I've only got seven people. I'm limited and I. I'm going to sort of create some criteria in my mind. Well, if I'm going to have to spend. If I get to spend eternity with these people, let's say that this dinner party is going to go on forever and I only get to learn from them. Who is going to. This sounds bad, but who's going to earn their place at this table? I immediately, I look at all of my books and I love every one of them. But that rules out so many of these people because while their books are great and I love them and I sure love sort of digging into them, I really have to get a little picky here with the seven. I don't even know who I'd pick. Let's see who would be on my table. Let's think here. Well, I'm looking at my books right now. So many that I love. I love books by Robert Greene. I'm not suggesting these are the people at my table, but I'm just naming off some authors here that I love. I got Robert Green up here, Michel de Montaigne. Now Michel de Montaigne, the essayist from France, he would be at my table for sure. This is the guy who invented the essay. So maybe you hate him, but I love him. I love essays. I don't know why. I just do. I love a good essay. And if you've never read his work, it is just. It is humbling and just sort of grounding because you've got this guy in the 1700s in France who, while he's surrounded by all these people who are trying to be big and fancy and important, he's writing about his sex life and all the problems he's dealing with, and he's doing them in these mini essays, and he's just being real on paper. And he's just such a fantastic writer. You know, I would probably. Obviously I would have some philosophers at my table. I would definitely have. I think Albert Camus is one of my favorite, favorite people, one of my favorite philosophers. You would think if you've listened to my podcast for any amount of time, I would probably have Henry David Thoreau on the podcast or at the table. My only problem there is that Henry David Thoreau was really difficult to be in the same room with. This is a guy who was very judgmental about anybody and everybody who sort of didn't agree with him. Right. He saw society as a bit of a burden. And anybody who was sort of putting on airs or trying to dress too fancy or trying to be whatever, he would just let you have it. He was not at all concerned about, you know, what you thought of him. He would just sort of put you in your place. I don't know if I could do that for eternity. Although I love his writings, I love Walton Pond and so on. So again, you can see the process I'm going through here. You know, if I've only got. I've got six seats left because Michelle de Montaigne just took one of them. And I would love to have Thoreau there, but I'm like, geez, I don't know. I. I don't know if I could do that forever Dostoevsky would probably be at my table. Yeah, I think Dostoevsky would be there. His work covers so many areas for me, Checks a lot of boxes. Great storyteller, I think. And a lot of people can't tell. Understand his stories. I love him. In fact, I got into a giant conversation this last week on Facebook about the merits of the Brothers Karamazov, a book that I love, but this person just hated this book. And I. That's fine. That's totally fine. So Dostoevsky would not be at that person's table. But this is what we need to get down to right now. I'm looking at these other. I've got a book up here on my. On my shelf. I don't know why I'm just calling these random books out, but I've got one on brain health. Right? It's a book about, like, the food that you eat and how it improves your brain. While that book is awesome and really cool, this person would not be at my table because I've only got. Well, I've got five seats now. Michelle de Montaigne and Dostoevsky have taken spots, so I don't have room for my brain food person. I'm not going to throw that book away. I love that book. But again, we're going through a little bit of a mind experiment here. I absolutely have to have a poet at the table. Right? Life is. Is dull without poetry, in my opinion. Now, who would. Who would that poet be? And would there be more than one? I mean, I've got to think having Walt Whitman at the table, which just do it for me. I love Walt Whitman, but I've got a couple other poets that I love. One of my favorite poets who's still alive today is Billy Collins. Love Billy Collins. Maya Angelou would be incredible at the table. So I would really have to sit down and think, geez, if I could only have, you know, one, maybe Arthur Rimbaud would be really cool. So you can again see sort of the. The torment I have. And do I really need to go through this? Do I really need to be this picky about who I'm reading and why? No. But what it does do is focus my brain and remind me that I've only got so much time and I can either read haphazardly and just, you know, pick stuff up and read it and be done and go back to work and, you know, that was great. Or I can become a student of this stuff and decide, you know, what, I'm going to dig Into Walt Whitman. I'm going to learn his poetry. I'm going to become a poet myself. Which, no, I'm not trying to be a poet, but as an example, Right. Does Dylan Thomas have a seat at the table? All of these questions really start to rock my brain here a little bit. I think one of the people that might have a seat at the table, I'm not quite sure, but I love Ray Bradbury. Ray Bradbury is a ton of fun. This is a person who, first of all, I find hilarious. If you've ever watched any of Ray Bradbury's speeches. He's a funny guy. Well, he was. Wrote some great stories. Definitely a very creative person to have at the table. And you know, you can dig into a Ray Bradbury story and just sort of get lost in it. So he definitely makes it into the possibilities of people at the seat. Okay, now I'm not have. Again, I'm not planning any of this. I'm absolutely winging this on the podcast, just hanging out with you. It's a Friday, we're having a good time. We're talking about books, you know, but I, I'm looking over here to my left and I've got all my philosophy stuff over here. And I've got to think that most of the people at my table would be philosophers. But that could be mental suicide. Because if you've got a bunch of philosophers at the table, that means, that means we're just talking about these amorphous subjects all day long and we're getting answers to anything. I love philosophy, but sometimes it feels like we're talking a lot about nothing at, you know, at times. And some of these philosophers are really sort of mentally hard headed. We'll just say hard headed. For example, if you had Nietzsche at the table, that, that would be interesting for about an hour. And then you might lose your mind. That might be a little, a little difficult. And again, with Socrates, it would be great to have Socrates at the table for about an hour and then I would probably get really tired of Socrates. I don't know if you've ever read any of the dialogues that played a role wrote. But while Socrates is fantastic and very, very interesting, you get what I call Socratic fatigue. After a while I can only read so much Plato and then my brain just starts to melt. So I don't know that Socrates would be there. I mean, an obvious choice that a lot of people love is somebody like Marcus Aurelius. Would he be at the table? Yeah, Meditations is great. Although I don't know, that gets him on my table for me, I love the book, but, yeah, I don't know. This is a fun process for me, mainly because it really forces me to think, who do I want to learn from and why? And maybe this will help, too. All of the people I've named are brilliant. They're all brilliant. I love them. They're on my shelves for a reason, and I talk about them in my podcast constantly for a reason. They're great. You know, if we were to have Virginia Woolf at the table, or if we were to have Emily Dickinson, or if we were to have Simone de Beauvoir or Seneca, or I'm just naming people, any of these people would be fantastic. But if I get to pick seven and I have to nail it down to the teachers that I want to learn from, maybe this will help. As we're trying to accomplish this, the teachers that you need in your life are going to be different than the teachers I need in my life. And that is all based on what we're trying to accomplish, the people we're trying to become, and so on. You'll notice that a lot of the people I'm interested in are philosophical in nature, and that's because that's where I want to be. I want to be a great writer one day. I want to write essays that change the world. I want to write fictional stories that just inspire people and so on. To do that, I have to sit with some people who are thinking about some pretty heavy stuff. You might be different. I'm not quite sure. There are different times in my life where I would have definitely picked other kinds of authors and people. All that to be said, that if we're a little more on purpose with who we read and why, I think we'll get more out of our books, we'll become less casual in our reading, and we'll become more focused and more student. Like, a lot of people tell me that they struggle with remembering what they read. And my. In my head, I'm thinking, well, it's because you're reading stuff you don't care about. And they're like, no, that's not true. I love what I'm reading. I just can't remember it. And my honest response again, is, well, you don't care enough about it to remember it. Because think about this. Think about the thing that you really, truly love, the thing that is, like, impossible to everybody else, but you're good at it. You remembered all that stuff. You remembered all of the things that make it hard. Because you like it, you're good at it, and you studied it in a certain way that you do not study philosophy or you do not study cooking or whatever it might be. So, well, part of remembering and getting out of the books, what is really, you know, available to you as potential knowledge has to do with your desire to obtain that knowledge. And if you're forcing yourself to read books in areas you don't care about, and if you don't like poetry, don't read it, don't read it. I love poetry. I love essays. That doesn't mean you need to. So find what works for you and dig in. All right. Hey. That is this week's episode. Now, before we sort of, you know, sign out for the week, I want to give you a book recommendation like I always do. And I'm. I'm serious about this one. Many of you might roll your eyes, but the few of you, the few of you that take this sort of recommendation at heart and read it and actually study it, I think you're a certain kind of person. You're. You're a weirdo like me. And you, you're curious. And. And I'm going to recommend this week to go read Plato's dialogue, Protagoras. Protagoras is a. You just Google it. You don't have to buy it, although you can get it at my bookstore, edgewaterbookstore.com thank you for the plug. But you can just Google it, right? Plato' out there and accessible for all. It's easy to find. Protagoras. P R O T A G O, R A S. I think I spelled that right. Anyway, again, it's. It's a dialogue that explores the importance of taking responsibility for what you learn, because it'll either benefit you or harm you. And remember, this mostly qualifies as a Socratic dialogue. And so you are going to feel a little fatigued when you read it. Take your time, spend some time with it. Highlight the thing, print it off if you get on the Internet, and just, you know, highlight it and write on it. If you've never read Plato before, you might need to read it once or twice. It's. Plato's not hard to understand at all. Oddly enough, he's not like Aristotle. Aristotle can be very difficult, but Plato generally is somewhat easy to understand. It's just the dialogues. Again, they can be a little tiresome at times because Socrates really likes to drill down to definitions. But it's worth it. It's worth it in the end, if you stick with it, you'll walk away from every one of these dialogues going, okay, I get it. I get why Plato is sort of, you know, one of the granddaddies of Western philosophy. Foreign this week's episode of the Revo podcast. I love being here with you and if you find any of this beneficial or enjoyable or worth sharing, then please take a moment to go to the podcast. You know, places, whether it's Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you're listening to this and give me a review. Let me know how I'm doing. You know, give me however many stars you think I deserve and leave me a comment. I like to read all those. It lets me find out ways in which I can improve for you and make the podcast better. Let me know what you like hearing about and I'll try to make a show for you. All right, that's it. As always, remember to read slowly, take notes, and apply the ideas. I'll see you next time. If you'd like to take your reading to the next level, then head on over to thereadwellpodcast.com there you'll find daily posts on how to read well. You'll also get access to all of my book notes and tools for becoming a better reader. And as always, don't forget to read slowly, take notes, and apply the ideas. Thank you for listening to the Read well Podcast.