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Podcast Summary: "Kevin Durant: 'You were hot for a minute'"

Not This Again with Bobbi Althoff
Episode Date: October 30, 2025
Host: Bobbi Althoff
Special Guest: Kevin Durant

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The episode features NBA superstar Kevin Durant in a wide-ranging and candid conversation with host Bobbi Althoff. With her trademark understated humor and awkward charm, Althoff steers the discussion through Durant’s basketball journey, his relationship with his mother, struggles with insecurity, experiences of fame, personal philosophies, and thoughts on parenting, relationships, AI, and life after basketball. The tone is playful, vulnerable, and sometimes philosophical, with both participants sharing personal stories amidst deadpan banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kevin Durant’s Height, Insecurity, and Self-Acceptance

• Durant jokes about never really knowing his official height:

  "Some say I'm 6'9. Some say I'm 7 feet. I don't know." (01:12)

• He opens up about past struggles with body image and standing out:

  "I was insecure about how I looked. It was crazy." (01:51) "I just snapped out of it because this was stupid to even care... I learned I accept it." (02:11, 02:38)

• Bobbi commiserates about insecurities and standing out, bringing a relatable, self-deprecating humor.

2. Childhood, Growing Up Tall, and Athletic Origins

• Durant was over 6 feet tall by age 12:

  "I hit 6ft at 12." (04:55)

• Shares early experiences in basketball, starting with neighborhood games and rec centers, highlighting the importance of community and repetition in developing as an athlete.
• Discusses the impact of a strict but supportive mother:

  “She would get mad at me if I didn’t feel the way she felt about it. She knew.” (11:05)

3. Parenting Styles, Childhood Upbringing, and Breaking Cycles

• Both share stories of discipline from their mothers, ranging from soap in mouth to pinches and slaps (14:44–15:39).
• Reflect on how strict or “rough” parenting built resilience and character:

  “We was combative as a kid... she just put in overdrive.” (16:28)
  “As you get older, you appreciate that.” (16:56)

• KD describes his mother’s efforts alongside community members (11:19) and the significance of generational family ties and support systems.

4. Relationships with Mothers and Generational Growth

• Durant and Bobbi discuss evolving relationships with their mothers, moving from combative as kids to deep mutual understanding and friendship as adults (17:43–19:56).
• Both reflect on becoming more like their parents in habits and attitudes, and how their parenting influences their own children’s behaviors (19:33–20:48).

5. Parenting, Forcing Kids, and Finding Passion

• Bobbi expresses her desire for her daughters to find their passion, wishing her parents had "forced" her to stick with something (11:42–12:24).
• Both agree that kids thrive with less power over major decisions and with structured guidance (12:16).
• KD confirms he’d like kids but isn’t in a rush (12:30).

6. Fame, Family, and Identity

• KD discusses large extended family and the sense of rootedness it brings (22:24–22:51).
• Shares how life on the road and summers in LA give him perspective and balance (23:09).
• Talks playfully about surf and other sports, asserting if he trained enough, he could pick them up due to his athletic adaptability (24:07).

7. Approaching AI, Technology, and the State of the World

• The conversation turns philosophical on AI and the overload of information:

  “The more that we've learned over the last 10 years through technology and shit, the worse the world has become.” (28:55)

• Discusses Sam Altman’s doomsday take on AI, the dangers of deep fakes, and the challenge of discerning truth (29:04–31:15).
• Both admit to using ChatGPT, with KD more for information and Bobbi for writing emails:

  “I want to formulate my own thoughts and messages and tones.” (31:33)

8. Kevin Durant: Unfiltered, Life Off the Court

• KD explains his zero-tolerance for fanfare around his private life, relationships, and dating preferences:

  "I'm not actually looking for anything... just someone I can hang out with every day." (49:14)

• Reflects on commitment, cohabitation, and keeping one’s own space (51:15–52:39).
• Candid about marriage:

  “I don't want to get married... just want a relationship that works.” (57:11–58:01)

• Discusses parenthood and his priorities, including raising athletic, well-rounded kids, but is easy-going about specifics like gender or sport (94:02).

9. Life as a Pro Athlete: Routine, Longevity, and Retirement

• Details rigorous training as a youth, deep family sacrifice, and how being “forced” not to quit left a lasting impact (86:02–88:36).
• Asserts: “If you don't use it, you lose it,” stressing consistent movement for health and athleticism (83:07–83:34).
• On sleep and recovery:

  "I probably sleep five and a half hours." (79:00) "White noise—yeah, I didn't realize that I loved white noise until...I'm tapping into my kid-like energy." (80:18)

• Honesty about the toll age takes on an elite athlete’s body (78:26).

10. After Basketball: What Comes Next?

• Explores options: broadcast media, podcasting, music, and acting:

  “I thought I would want to do [podcasting] a few years ago. Now it’s just oversaturated.” (73:17) On acting: "I did, like, this cheesy movie when I was 23 called Thunderstruck." (76:23)

• Expresses contentedness with basketball as his focus and legacy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Insecurity:
  "I was just too tall, man. I was too skinny, maybe. I just felt like I stood out for no reason." — Kevin Durant (02:29)
• On Parenting:
  "Kids shouldn't have that much power... they shouldn't have any power until..." — Kevin Durant (12:24)
• On Family Support:
  "Her and my aunt, she got mad siblings on her dad's side. I got so many family members. My grandmother had like 18 brothers and sisters." — Kevin Durant (22:24)
• On AI:
  "I don't see how the advancement of technology is scary. People are scary. Don't get me wrong—people are scary." — Kevin Durant (32:14)
• On Retirement:
  "Who knows? I might do that, or I might just do a bunch of... I just feel like what do other NBA players do when they retire?" — Kevin Durant (73:02)
• On Legacy:
  "I just want to be reliable... where a coach can't take me off the floor." — Kevin Durant (101:30)
• On What It Takes to Stick With It:
  "If you don't use it, you lose it." — Kevin Durant (83:34)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Discussion on Height & Insecurity: 01:00–02:38
• Family, Upbringing, and Strict Mothers: 13:08–17:13
• Perspective on Parenting Today: 11:42–12:24, 19:33–20:48
• AI, Technology, and Deep Fakes: 28:55–32:14
• Parenting Styles, Quitting, and Perseverance: 86:02–88:36
• Thoughts on Retirement Plans: 73:02–74:55
• Reflections on Aging as an Athlete: 78:26–79:55
• Marriage, Relationships, and Expectations: 57:11–62:21
• Importance of Repetition and Practice: 82:11–84:21
• KD on Not Quitting Basketball as a Child: 86:02–88:36

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Tone & Style

• Bobbi Althoff’s signature deadpan humor and awkwardness brings levity, while Durant is unguarded yet quietly philosophical.
• The episode is marked by gentle teasing, mutual vulnerability, and candid insights, with memorable exchanges about growing up, relationships, fame, and the anxieties of both celebrity and parenthood.

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For listeners and non-listeners alike, this episode of "Not This Again" offers a refreshingly open and often humorous look at Kevin Durant’s life on and off the court—with honest discussion about self-doubt, family, legacy, and authenticity at every turn.

Transcript

[A]

So you, like, came out of retirement recently? You had a hell of a start.

[B]

Well, thank you for coming on. Not this again. Do you want to introduce yourself?

[A]

I'm Kevin.

[B]

Kevin what?

[A]

Durant.

[B]

What do you like to go by? Kevin.

[A]

Kevin kd. They call me a lot of names.

[B]

What else do they call you?

[A]

Slim the God.

[B]

Okay. It's a good name.

[A]

Him.

[B]

Really? Like the movie?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you see that movie?

[A]

No. I heard it was bad, though.

[B]

I heard it was bad, too.

[A]

Are you gonna still see it, though?

[B]

Maybe. When it's out on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. It's kind of. It looks like a horror movie, which scares me a bit.

[A]

It's like a Jordan Peele thing. Right?

[B]

But I think I heard he's barely. It's not really a Jordan Peele movie. Really something. I've. I'm. I'm uneducated.

[A]

You got so much intel now that you're just not funny.

[B]

No. How tall are you? I feel like you're. That part of your leg is taller than me. It's very. How tall are you?

[A]

Some say I'm six, nine. Some say I'm seven feet. I don't know.

[B]

You've never fact checked that?

[A]

I'm half. But, you know, you grow. You shrink at your tallest as you get older.

[B]

Are you shrinking?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Really? How old are you?

[A]

37.

[B]

That's not old enough to start shrinking, is it?

[A]

Yeah, but I got a lot of miles on my body from being a professional elite athlete for this long.

[B]

Is that what shrinks you?

[A]

That and stress.

[B]

Do you have any of that?

[A]

Sometimes. I've been depressed before, like, once.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Just like, I was insecure about how I looked. It was crazy.

[B]

You got depressed over that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel insecure about how I look every day, so.

[A]

I just didn't. I don't know. It just hit me all at one time.

[B]

When was this?

[A]

This was like six years ago.

[B]

You got depressed because of how you looked?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What'd you do to get out of that?

[A]

I just snapped out of it because this was stupid to even care.

[B]

What's wrong with how you look?

[A]

Nothing. That's how I got out of it.

[B]

That's good that you got. What did you think was wrong with how you look?

[A]

I don't know, man. I was just too tall, man. It was too skinny. Maybe. I just.

[B]

You are very tall, but I don't think that's. That's a problem. I feel.

[A]

I just feel like I stood out for no reason.

[B]

For no reason?

[A]

Yeah, sometimes. But now I learned I accept it.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, but it's like when I'm not around tall people.

[B]

Yeah. Then you seem very.

[A]

I just thought about it too much and I just needed to stop thinking about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? That's like a. That's like a childish way I just needed to abandon.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, have you always been tall? Like as a kid, were you taller?

[A]

Yeah. Than my classmates and my peers.

[B]

Like, were you significantly taller than them or just a little bit taller?

[A]

I stood out amongst people. If they like roll past and we were outside like, oh, that's a tall kid.

[B]

How old are you when you hit 6ft tall?

[A]

12.

[B]

There's no way.

[A]

Probably. So it's like 8th grade. That's 12 years old, right?

[B]

Yeah. That's very young.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't imagine seeing an 8th grader be 6ft tall. I feel like men are full sized, not even that tall.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of guys that are short, but I felt like I seen a lot of six footed guys that were taller than me around that time too. It was crazy. Maybe because I played ball. I was just in a basketball circuit.

[B]

I know. At your game yesterday, I saw a lot of very tall people on the court.

[A]

Of course, right?

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah, not sitting exactly.

[A]

I mean, where else would they be?

[B]

Yeah, they're all on the court looking. Are there any short people who play basketball?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How short?

[A]

The shortest ever was like Muggsy Bogues. You heard of Mugs? You don't have? You haven't heard of Mugsy?

[B]

Yeah, no, I know, I know Mugsy.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know Mugsy, but not Barry Sanders?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

I don't know who he is. I was like, okay, I feel bad.

[A]

Well, Mugsy is the shortest player of all times. Like five, three.

[B]

Well, he was just that good.

[A]

And he played for like 15 years.

[B]

Do you have to be extra good at it to be that short?

[A]

He was exceptionally good. You know, he was like one of those like specialists that like steal a ball because he was so small and he would like run faster than everybody up the court. Just create plays because he was small and getting between shit that nobody else could get into.

[B]

Oh. Cause he's so little. That's so cute.

[A]

It is actually. It's inspiring.

[B]

That's very inspiring. It doesn't matter how tall you are. I mean, he's obviously very athletic still. I mean, I'm saying if he was short and unathletic, that would have not done well.

[A]

Yeah. If he was like short and slow, yeah. He probably couldn't. He probably could dunk, but he had. I don't think he dunked in a game.

[B]

But could you dunk if you're 5 3? That feels very hard.

[A]

I think humans can do anything.

[B]

Do you think I could dunk? No, but humans who aren't me can.

[A]

Do you use. I don't think you would fit in that.

[B]

Why humans?

[A]

I just. You're not athletically.

[B]

What makes you say that? How do you know that?

[A]

Capable of anything?

[B]

I don't think athletically capable of anything is crazy.

[A]

What did you do athletic wise as a kid?

[B]

I ran track.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What, what event?

[B]

Hurdles.

[A]

I feel like you're lying though.

[B]

I swear to you.

[A]

I did.

[B]

I don't know how.

[A]

And you're not even paying attention.

[B]

She said yes. She knows. I did.

[A]

How y' all knowing each other. Y' all like seven years apart though, so how would you.

[B]

I'm. I'm her sister's best friend. I ran with her sister.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

But now she. She's like of age to.

[A]

So where's her sister friends now?

[B]

Her sister is home at work.

[A]

I feel like I haven't seen the sister. Just seeing y' all two together.

[B]

Really. Well, then you. I feel like I.

[A]

So did you cut the sister? That's crazy.

[B]

I. Her sister and I are still. Still best friends. I love that I met when we met when we were 12 and I.

[A]

Love that so much.

[B]

But I always have one of them with me. Like there's four of them and there's always. There's always one of them with me.

[A]

So she can verify the track story.

[B]

She can. 100. She was a child when I ran, but she can verify I.300 hurdles when.

[A]

I was in hurdles was in. In.

[B]

I was so slow though. I'm not going to lie to you. I can't.

[A]

You didn't win, but I. I was.

[B]

I somehow made it to varsity hurdles. Don't know how that happened. My whole school must have been so slow, cuz.

[A]

Where are you from?

[B]

Corona. California is where I went to high school. Do you know anything about California?

[A]

Of course I know about California, but not Corona.

[B]

Why of course? Because you played there.

[A]

I spent a lot of time in California.

[B]

Did you ever play in California in the Bay Area?

[A]

Yeah, but I spent a lot of time in la.

[B]

Well, it's like inland. Yeah, that's where we went to school. But her sister actually left the high school. I was out to go play to go run at a better school, so.

[A]

So that means that you were a slow people at your school then.

[B]

Yeah, it does mean that. So I. I will say I'm a little bit. I'm faster than you would think by looking at me. But that's not very fast.

[A]

I didn't think you even could move, could even walk. I couldn't even fast run track to go from that to running track. I applaud you.

[B]

I was. Okay. How old were you when you started playing basketball?

[A]

Like 8.

[B]

How did that even start? You just got a basketball recess.

[A]

Oh, and then like.

[B]

And you were already tall.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like.

[B]

Could you dunk when you were that little? No. Okay. I don't know. You might be able to.

[A]

No, no. So it starts at like recess. And then it's like going outside after school in the neighborhood and then going to the rec center. And they got a team at the rec center. It just build it from there, you know. And then I just start falling in love with the game.

[B]

What did you go to college after and play there for one year at.

[A]

Texas down the street. Oh, two hours away.

[B]

Your. Your place here. It came full circle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You only played one year in college?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then you.

[A]

I had to go to college.

[B]

Why?

[A]

It was a rule.

[B]

Is it not a rule now?

[A]

It's still a rule.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It shouldn't be. But it was a rule that you couldn't leave to become a pro out of high school. As soon as I was coming out of high school, they made that rule. So I had to go to college and I went to Texas. And it was the greatest. One of the greatest times of my life.

[B]

Do you wish you stayed all four years?

[A]

Sometimes I did. But I realized that I got paid way more. Come to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And little ways.

[B]

Just a bit.

[A]

But I enjoyed college. I had a fun time.

[B]

What were you going to get a degree in?

[A]

I had no clue.

[B]

What would you be doing if you were really bad at basketball?

[A]

I had. That was never in my mind. A thought process. You just always get bad at basketball. But I never thought about anything else. So I kind of. I was. It was a risky decision to choose this, but.

[B]

What was a risky decision to put.

[A]

All my eggs in one basket and say I'm gonna become an NBA player at like nine. That's.

[B]

That's since nine years old. You knew?

[A]

I knew. I knew what I wanted to be. I didn't think I was just. I. It was easy to accomplish, but. Yeah.

[B]

Did your mom believe in you or your parents?

[A]

She didn't believe in me. Yeah, she was. She would get mad at me if I didn't feel the way she felt about it. She knew.

[B]

She knew you were gonna.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did she have you practice like every day or how did you.

[A]

Yeah. Her and a few people.

[B]

Good for you. I need to find what my kids are good at right now.

[A]

How old are your kids?

[B]

Three and five.

[A]

You still got time?

[B]

Barely. They have three years left before they need to figure it out. One of them.

[A]

The five year old got a couple years. Three year old got some time.

[B]

She's got few more five years to figure it out.

[A]

Boy and a girl?

[B]

Two girls.

[A]

Do you want them to be athletic?

[B]

Yeah, kind of. I always wished. I really feel like I would have turned out better in life if My parents put me in the sport when I was young and stuck me in it and kept me there.

[A]

And forced you?

[B]

Yeah, because I didn't. I feel like you make friends and it's just. I didn't have that. It's like a community.

[A]

It is. Do you feel like you'll force your.

[B]

Kids like I would for. I would 100% force my.

[A]

Are you going to force them?

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I love hearing parents who force their kids from a young age to do stuff. I think it's important because my parents were the type of parents were like, oh, you don't want to do it anymore? Okay, don't do it then. You can't do that to a kid.

[A]

In the long run, you real. It's cool. A moment as a kid. Yeah, that choice. But in the long run you realize like, damn, I wish I kind of.

[B]

Yeah. Kids shouldn't have that much power.

[A]

They shouldn't have that power at all. No, they shouldn't have any power until.

[B]

They become like, do you want kids?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I feel like the age people start having kids these days is like 45. Do you think you'll start then?

[A]

I mean, I got some time then.

[B]

Yeah, you've got a lot of time. I, I'm. I'm a mother to a five year old, so at school I'm by far the youngest mom there.

[A]

So you had your 20, so 23. 23. You start having kids. Do you feel like it was too early or it was the right time for you?

[B]

I, I feel like, you know how your passion was basketball. Yeah, my passion was motherhood.

[A]

Really?

[B]

From, from a really young age I was like, all I want in this world is to be a mother and to care for babies.

[A]

Was it, Were you inspired by your mom or something or what? What was that?

[B]

I. I don't know if part of it was I wanted to grow up or if I wanted to. I hated like, I had a shitty childhood. I hated being. I hated my childhood so bad. I wanted to be a mom and just be able to like do it right. I always would say when I was younger. So I wanted to be a mom so bad that when I met my ex husband pretty quickly, I was like, give me a baby, I want a baby so bad. And I was only 21 when I met him. And then I was pregnant and I had a baby and I was the happiest person ever. I love, I love being a mom.

[A]

You got at least two decades of having kids.

[B]

I don't know if I think the girl has to be like 40, right? I feel like the women are having kids at like 40, but the men can be. You can be like 60 and have a kid.

[A]

Yeah. Didn't. What's this? De Niro had like a kid at like 80. Who? Robert de Niro. You don't know anybody.

[B]

I do.

[A]

I know who that kids early, so you had to focus on.

[B]

Yeah, I did.

[A]

I didn't watch tv, Sports.

[B]

I watch a lot of children's things. I'm starting to. They're getting older. So I can like watch.

[A]

So you can watch what you want to watch.

[B]

Now I'm starting to.

[A]

You care. Do you censor it or you know.

[B]

Well, my kids watch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, no, wait.

[A]

When they're watching with you.

[B]

Oh, I'm so awful. My kids like cuss.

[A]

Really?

[B]

My five year old. I love that.

[A]

I. I feel like they're gonna find it somewhere.

[B]

Lexi. So my sister lives with me. So my little sister. And I was like, Lexi's being so annoying. She's like, yeah, she's a.

[A]

And I was like, whoa, that's crazy.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we gotta see. Yeah, she's five.

[A]

You gotta sensor around the house for a couple years. Cuz my mom. Your mom? What would your mom do if you.

[B]

My mom put soap in my mouth. What'd your mom do?

[A]

She slapped the fire out of me.

[B]

Yeah, My dad would hit me. My mom would put soap in my mouth.

[A]

My mom's slaps were ridiculous.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, because they were like. Because she would get in my face and like. And then out of nowhere, like and out. Then she'll like, you know, push back like she's not like offensive. And then. Fool. Oh, she had quick reflex because she was young.

[B]

Is she tall too?

[A]

Yeah, she's about 5, 10.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, she's 9, 10 years old. She out of nowhere slapped the. Out.

[B]

No, my mom did pinches. Did your mom ever do that?

[A]

Yeah, like right in the rib cage.

[B]

She would do that in public. Like if I was being bad. I remember being.

[A]

She couldn't slap me out in front of everybody because that'll look haul. I'll slap me and nobody know what we're doing. And you just slapped me out of nowhere. That'll just look like real like. Let me call cps.

[B]

Yeah, my mom would do the like in the store. She grabbed me like that.

[A]

That was the secondary option was the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then got long nails. My mom had the.

[B]

I hated. I hated that. If you say anything, they'll take you away. And I'D be like, okay, I'm going to shut up right now. I do not want to get taken away.

[A]

That's crazy. She. That was a. Oh.

[B]

All the time she would say CPS was going to take me if I said anything. So I was like, okay.

[A]

I mean, it is a true.

[B]

It is. It is true. So.

[A]

So she was. That was a real killer move to say that to you because she. She was like, I don't give a. They take you.

[B]

She said, go ahead, Go ahead.

[A]

Where are you going?

[B]

Say what you want, but you're gonna.

[A]

Get taken in a shelter.

[B]

She knows she wouldn't be. Do you. Are you close with your mom now?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Do you think that's because. Do you think she raised you, like, in a way that made you.

[A]

Yes, because we were. I was, we cut. We was combative as a kid. I was a kid because she raised me rough. Like, I told her I wanted to be in the NBA, so she just put in overdrive. Just. If I had to do 100 push ups, she'd come out of nowhere, give me 200 push ups.

[B]

So, like, really?

[A]

Yeah, like, that would just irritate me over time. And then I was just outspoken and said anything as a kid. And that's why I would get slapped out of nowhere. And then I'm talking too much in class and she'll come to school, slap the. Out me in front of the class. Like. Like that. Like, she was just pissing me off with. But like I said, like we said earlier, that stuff, as you get older, you appreciate that.

[B]

Yeah. That you're in.

[A]

And then we start having real conversation.

[B]

How old do you think when you started to appreciate what she was?

[A]

Probably when I was like 25. When I accomplished.

[B]

Oh, that's a long time.

[A]

Yeah. But I accomplished my goals.

[B]

Yeah. And you were like, it paid off.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm like, I've seen the stuff work. You know what I'm saying? And then I now understand it a little bit more, and then I understand her and her journey a little bit more. So these conversations we started to have and we became closer. Now when we talk, it's like almost like brother and sister.

[B]

Really. That's. Does she live near you?

[A]

No, she lives in Maryland.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Because I could call my moms right now and just talk about a bunch of random shit for like an hour.

[B]

You tell her about everything in your life.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Like girls and everything.

[A]

Just not like that detail, but like a situation. Yeah, A situation I need some advice and a perspective on.

[B]

Okay. So with girls too yeah. That's cute.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I love that. I. I think my mom and I. Maybe that'll be our next phase. We're not super close right now, but she's really close with my kids.

[A]

So when you were getting divorced, you didn't consult with your mom?

[B]

No. No. Sometimes, like, she was there for the big moments of it. Like the day we separated, I called my mom crying, and I was like, mom, come here. And I remember crying, like, on her shoulder. That was probably the closest we've, like, been in a long time. Was like, when that happened. And I will say, since then, she's been like, if I ever. If I need someone to watch my kids or something, she lives two hours away, but she'll get in the car and come watch my kids for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she's. We're. We're getting closer. I think we will. I. Like you said, I feel like as you get older, you understand why. Because I used to think she was so crazy, but then as I get older and I be. I'm a mom now, and I'm a little crazy, and I'm like, well, Mom, I get it now. I'm crazy, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or I'll, like. I'll do things my mom did, and I'm like, I'm my mother.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She used to move furniture in the house every. Like, every day, just all over. Her chairs would move. And I was like, why do you always move furniture? And now I'm a mom. I'm at home all day. I'm an adult. And every weekend. I don't have my kids on Sundays. So on Sundays, me and my sister move furniture every Sunday, just relocate it. And I'm like, oh, I get it now.

[A]

Isn't it crazy how you just pick up on your parents?

[B]

You become them eventually.

[A]

And it's almost an honor.

[B]

It is. It's like.

[A]

Cause it's like you're carrying their legacy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what they taught you. You know what I'm saying? And to them, they don't know that you've been inspired that much to, like, move like them, act like them.

[B]

I'm like, clearly, I didn't think you were that crazy. Because I do everything you did.

[A]

Exactly. So I must be. You must be pretty cool. If I want to. If I'm acting just like.

[B]

Just like you. I know it's. When you have kids, too, you'll see them start acting like you. I also have to be careful because I notice my daughter pick up on how I move. So if I'm really anxious going into Places or I have anxiety. She started to act like that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

[B]

I'm having to walk into rooms with confidence that I don't even have because I'm trying to help her have confidence and stuff. Have or just teach.

[A]

I mean, that's a good awareness to have. It's making both of you better at the same time.

[B]

You start seeing a little person and you're like, oh, you're acting just like me. I need to act better now. So. And our parents probably did that too. Like, I know my mom's childhood was rough, so she probably acted different based on what she knew. So.

[A]

Yeah, same with my mom.

[B]

She had a hard life.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, she was just young with two kids.

[B]

How old was she when she had 21?

[A]

When she had me and she was 18, she had my brother.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Is he also in the NBA, your brother? No. I just imagine he's probably really tall, too.

[A]

He is not as tall as me, but he's tall.

[B]

How tall is he?

[A]

Like six, seven.

[B]

Oh, he's very tall.

[A]

Yeah. So having two kids at 21, that's.

[B]

Very young to have.

[A]

Not a lot of money, solid job, but not a lot of money. And my dad was in and out the house. You know that our relationships go. You know, they get back together, don't. You know? So she has support, but she still has support and people that help. But she was grinding, man. She was grinding. So to understand like, how her mentality throughout that shit and still be able to not let us feel that every day was crazy.

[B]

Did you grow up in Maryland?

[A]

Yeah, right outside D.C. wow.

[B]

I don't know anything about geography, so I didn't realize those two are that. That close.

[A]

You didn't realize that?

[B]

No. I've been to both places too, but.

[A]

So the White House is on Pennsylvania Avenue. I grew up right off of Pennsylvania avenue, but like 20 minutes. So.

[B]

And your mom still lives over there?

[A]

Not in that area, but close in.

[B]

In Maryland. That's. She's always lived out there, though. Is your family all out there?

[A]

All my family. I got a lot of family out there.

[B]

Does your mom have siblings that she's close with that she, like, helped with you guys when you're younger?

[A]

Her and my aunt, she got mad siblings on her dad's. I got so many family members. My grandmother had like 18 brothers and sisters. 17 brothers and sisters.

[B]

It's a lot.

[A]

So I had mad great uncles, aunts, and they had kids. And now everybody. Now they kids having kids. So we just deep you guys have.

[B]

A lot of cousins and things?

[A]

A lot of cousins. I think I got like 200 cousins.

[B]

Maybe 200.

[A]

I'm. I'm thinking I got like close to that.

[B]

Do you still go hang out with all of them?

[A]

I mean, it's hard to hang out with that many people, but I still. I mean, I'll try.

[B]

With your family, you have family events and stuff?

[A]

I do. I do go back.

[B]

I didn't think you had 200 people. Family events.

[A]

Because I live in LA in the summer.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I just like it there all.

[B]

Every summer.

[A]

You live in la since like 2012.

[B]

You have a house there?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, that's nice. Where in la? Like mid city, by the beach in la. That's you.

[A]

This is a public broadcast?

[B]

Yeah. I'm not asking for your address.

[A]

Yeah, but it's still in la. You know how these, these. Yeah, they're just figured out.

[B]

I.

[A]

That's enough. But I live.

[B]

You live in la? I can't believe you like it that much that you go there.

[A]

I'm from the east coast, so when, you know, east coast is. Come out to the west coast is like a hold on us out there. The weather? Yeah, just the vibes, the beach, the mountains. Like you just get a totally couple different vibes out there.

[B]

Do you go to the beach a lot?

[A]

I used to live in Malibu too.

[B]

But what do you do? Do you surf?

[A]

No.

[B]

Can you surf when you're 7ft tall?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I feel like that wouldn't.

[A]

I haven't tried logistically, but I'm sure I can do it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

If I, if I train, are you.

[B]

Just really athletic where you could pick up any sport?

[A]

I feel as though I am.

[B]

I feel like that's what every athlete kind of like. They're just athletic so they can do anything.

[A]

I think I'm just about repetition. So if I can do it over and over again until I get it, I will.

[B]

I just can't picture you surfing. It's so. So tall.

[A]

That's the good thing about.

[B]

Do you snowboard or ski? No, no. Would you go in a submarine?

[A]

Oh. How deep is it going?

[B]

I don't know. How deep do submarines go? Like really deep.

[A]

I would get on like the most highly high technical US military submarine.

[B]

Okay. Where you know you're going to come.

[A]

Back, they got like missiles on the side.

[B]

You would do that? Yeah. Well, just because you know they're gonna.

[A]

I just know we're protected.

[B]

Yeah, you're safe. Would you go to the moon?

[A]

It depends on what the spaceship looks like.

[B]

I've heard it's not like it's very tight seating and.

[A]

And like Elon Musk, I think he's. I think he would create a dope.

[B]

So you'd go under the right.

[A]

It's just gotta be the flight. It's gotta be smooth.

[B]

You got to do that before you have kids. I feel like things change once you have kids.

[A]

Yeah. Just like. I don't think you better want to. You want to risk.

[B]

You don't want to risk your life anymore.

[A]

Like to go to the moon.

[B]

Yeah. It's like.

[A]

I don't think I need to know what's on the moon because I'm really there. Right. Because what's not there is nothing really there.

[B]

Yeah, I don't even.

[A]

This is like a space station or something on the moon.

[B]

You're asking the wrong person.

[A]

Yeah, you. I don't know if you do, you know. What. What do you.

[B]

What do I know? Let me think. Not much.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know much about anything.

[A]

You do. You do know how to ask good questions, though.

[B]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I have. I have. I. Because I know nothing. I have a lot of questions.

[A]

You know, that's also a good way to approach life.

[B]

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[A]

I do have a theory that the more that we've learned over the last 10 years through like technology and shit, the worse the world has become.

[B]

Have you seen the thing? Is it Sam Altman, the creator of. Of Open AI? Is that what his name is?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where he said he thinks it's gonna like end the world within 10 years. 10 years. Like he basically said AI is going to be the end of the world.

[A]

What does he mean that by ending the world, like kill us all or. But burn the world like that?

[B]

It would basically someone he said he's. I. I watched him in a podcast where he said that he thinks it could be. Don't quote me on this, but he said he thinks that it could be used by, like, the wrong people to create, I don't know, like, bombs or something. But it can just be put in the wrong hands. And if it keeps going the way it is. And I. I believe that scares me.

[A]

I mean, that's just with anything, though.

[B]

Yeah, but AI, especially, have you seen, like, the fake videos?

[A]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but do you like. Is that disturbing to you? Like the Tupac, the Kobe video, but the ones of.

[B]

Not the ones where, you know, they're not. It's not them. The ones where it's people who obviously, it could be like, when they start making ones of you. Will that scare you a bit?

[A]

No. I mean, no. Have you seen ones of.

[B]

Do you know Logan Paul?

[A]

I've seen those.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Those look fake.

[B]

Some do, but some I could see where it's like, this is scary. And this is just the start. What about in five years? What is that gonna look like?

[A]

I mean, it's really on you to understand what's real and what's fake, to do some research, to fact check if somebody actually says something or is this a. A hoax?

[B]

They used a fake video of me to try to sell a hair product. But it was like me just standing there and they're like. They said, this is the stuff that Drake complimented me on. And it's like, fake me talk. I was like, what the.

[A]

Welcome to the life.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

You know how many people are probably trying to monetize your name somewhere, just pretending to be.

[B]

That's. But that. I'm sure you have people.

[A]

That's just the name of the business. You know how many people are probably selling T shirts in my name, wanted on my face, on it somewhere, or saying, I'm coming to a party? It's so upset.

[B]

Well, I'm just saying as it gets more. As it gets more difficult to tell the difference, that's kind of scary. But if you don't want to be scared, then I'm good for you.

[A]

I just think there's some advantages too.

[B]

There are definitely advantages. It writes so much.

[A]

I just wish that we could talk about those at some point.

[B]

I understand you use Chat GPT.

[A]

I do.

[B]

I use it for a lot. I. I use it probably it helps me with the stuff in there. It's great.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

It's like if I want to draft a message to someone, it could put all of my thoughts into just something that sounds good.

[A]

And I'm like, see, I don't know if I want to use it for that, really. I'M more just, like, searching for, like, just info.

[B]

Yeah. It does help you. I don't know. It's. It's great.

[A]

I want to formulate my own thoughts and messages and tones.

[B]

Yeah. But sometimes if it's like an email and I really don't even want to spend time, I will be like, here's. Like, add all of this into a good email for someone and it will add all of that. And I'm. I'm like, how did it. So that is.

[A]

So that's not incred. That's not.

[B]

It is amazing.

[A]

That's a part of AI. That's.

[B]

Yeah. But you. I don't know. It's just scary.

[A]

What? I don't. I don't see how scary. I don't see how the advancement of technology is scary. People are scary. Don't get me wrong. People are scary.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

And the wrong. Anything in the wrong hands could be dangerous.

[B]

Yeah. Why do I feel like you started this conversation off by saying it was scary? Am I wrong? What did you say? How did we start.

[A]

It was scary.

[B]

No, what did you say?

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

I feel like you brought this up and you said it was scary.

[A]

I don't remember, but that's how amazing the conversation is. We just.

[B]

Yeah. I can't even remember. I also, at this, I thought of the question that I wanted to ask you, and now I can't even think of it anymore.

[A]

You'll figure it out.

[B]

Maybe I will.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, keep using Chat GBT to help you. That's great. Don't. You don't want to what? I'm gonna try to think of my question again. Don't worry. I wrote questions just in case I didn't.

[A]

Oh, you do.

[B]

Do you like my pair? Do you like my. I. I have question cards now, and I've so far for my interview with Drake, I forgot them at home. And now with my interview with you, I also forgot them at home. So I don't know, I should just throw them away because I keep having to print, take the hotel things and just write on that.

[A]

And you just wing it if you.

[B]

I write these, like, 30 minutes before. And then. And then when I did the one with Drake, I forgot the cue cards at home. So then in the hotel, I spent time writing them on a thing, and then I left them in the hotel. So this time I was like, I'm bringing my questions, but they are questions. I wrote in, like, 30 minutes before coming here. I only asked you 90% of them.

[A]

You asked me 90% of them I.

[B]

Feel like I did without even trying. But I'm not going to show you what they say because that's so embarrassing. Okay, I remember now.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

I don't remember my question I was gonna ask, but I do remember. Does your mom want grandkids from you?

[A]

You asked me that.

[B]

I did not ask you that.

[A]

Of course she does.

[B]

I said, do you want kids? But does your mom bother you about that?

[A]

No, she doesn't.

[B]

That's cute. I. I want to be your mom. Not like your mom, but I want to be like your mom. I don't want to actually be like the mother of you.

[A]

Yeah, I get what you mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She has a. My brother had a son.

[B]

Okay. How old is he?

[A]

He's six. Seven.

[B]

So are you a good uncle?

[A]

I am. He loves me.

[B]

Does he?

[A]

And I love him.

[B]

What do you do that makes you a good uncle?

[A]

Answer to FaceTime.

[B]

Aw. Anytime he calls you.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

How old is he?

[A]

You said seven. They got the iPads at that age.

[B]

Oh, okay. I was like, he has a phone.

[A]

No iPad.

[B]

Okay. How cute.

[A]

And so he'll FaceTime me and just talk about random shit.

[B]

Does he watch you play?

[A]

Yeah. That's sweet, but somehow I'm not his favorite player.

[B]

Who's his favorite player?

[A]

Devin Booker.

[B]

That's random. I don't know anything about basketball, but that feels random.

[A]

One book is. Book is good, too. But maybe. Maybe he watched me when I played for the Sons and same book, and.

[B]

Was like, that's my favorite player. Like, yeah, you're not up there with them.

[A]

And he just, like, you know, took me for granted just a little bit because I'm always there.

[B]

I can't believe you're not his favorite player.

[A]

It's all good. He gonna figure it out one day at some point in his life.

[B]

Are you? Are you? I've heard a lot of people say you're one of the best basketball players. What do you think about that? Are you? I don't know. You. You seemed good yesterday, but I don't know what bad would look like either.

[A]

You don't?

[B]

No.

[A]

Like when I missed, you see, when I met, like, the shots didn't go in.

[B]

You did. I didn't see those.

[A]

Were you paying attention?

[B]

I was not to the ones you'd missed, though. Maybe.

[A]

I didn't feel like you always on your phone, though.

[B]

I was not on my phone. I was watching. Thank you.

[A]

I was hoping she was on her phone. I was be like, look at y' all this. She's.

[B]

Oh, you wanted her to be on your phone right now. No, we were paying attention because we were Switzerland.

[A]

Y' all were always on your phone.

[B]

You saw us three seconds of the.

[A]

I saw more than I seen four.

[B]

Times, and all four times, we were not on our phone.

[A]

You're walking in the hallway down with your head down on your phone during.

[B]

The show in the hallway.

[A]

Yeah. That's why you didn't see me, because you were in your phone.

[B]

Lexi, did he see us in the hallway?

[A]

It's crazy. Like, she was stoned.

[B]

Stoned? What do you know? I almost DM'd you when we were in Switzerland because I wanted weed, and me and Lexi were like, maybe if we DM him, he'll have some. Because we didn't know where else to get it because we were too scared to bring it there.

[A]

I thought y did bring it.

[B]

No, we were too scared.

[A]

We threw it away before I got on the flight.

[B]

In the airport thing, I was so afraid. We were about to go through, and I was like, oh, this. I'm throwing this away. I'm not going to.

[A]

I was kind of. I was kind of nervous when I got on Drake's plane from where we. From London. We were in London. No, not London.

[B]

We were.

[A]

Manchester.

[B]

Yeah. We did bring it that time because.

[A]

We went through the.

[B]

That was scary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I thought the next time would be like that, too, so I threw it away. And it was actually pretty chill. We could have made it in for sure. So you had some with you? We could have asked, of course. Well, we must.

[A]

Next time, next tour, next year, next.

[B]

Tour, whenever that is.

[A]

When you do your third interview with Drake.

[B]

Yeah. I'll make sure to ask you for weed.

[A]

I can't wait to give you a package.

[B]

A pack of wood. How often do you smoke? A lot.

[A]

This is. That's personal.

[B]

That's. It's. I. You know, it's. You're the one who called her stoned, so I felt like that was an invitation to ask. Huh?

[A]

Was I wrong?

[B]

Probably. Because if we were in Switzerland, we actually had no weed, so that's impossible.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We were pretty sober there.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, we didn't. We wanted to find some, but we couldn't.

[A]

Now, where did y' all do that interview? That view was crazy.

[B]

That was at.

[A]

Did you pick that out? No, no, no, you didn't.

[B]

Theo did.

[A]

No, I know you didn't.

[B]

That's. That's insulting. Why do you think that?

[A]

No, because I just know how.

[B]

How I work.

[A]

Know how Drake works.

[B]

That he wouldn't let me pick a place. Well, the first place we did the interview in. Did you. Did you know? We redid it, but.

[A]

What do you mean, in the first place?

[B]

We redid our interview.

[A]

Oh, so y' all did kind of. Yeah, we did have a side interview, actually.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Did you keep that?

[B]

He. Theo recorded it somewhere there. But we did do an interview, and he picked the place, but it was not good. So you can. He did a bad job the first time. Then we had to redo it. That's why I ended up on going to so many places. Do you go to all of his shows?

[A]

Not all of them, but I went to a lot this summer. This is the first summer I really was, like, locked in for that long. Of course, I've been in a few shows on each tour, but.

[B]

Are you guys best friends? Are you guys. What do you.

[A]

I was. I would. I would say that.

[B]

That's cute. For how long?

[A]

Good friends? Long since, like, what, 14 years, 15 years last.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I was a. I was not even born kind of.

[A]

But it started off as just, like, being fans of one another and then seeing each other a few times, and then it's kicking it, and then Bo.

[B]

Does he watch you play?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's fun. Yeah, I. I didn't know. I. I've knew your name, but I guess I didn't realize it was you on the plane.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

Until Lexi told me it was you, and I was like, oh. And then.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad. I'm kind of like stealth that way that you don't know I did.

[B]

I. I don't know how I didn't. You're so tall. That didn't.

[A]

I know. Right?

[B]

You also didn't seem that tall to me. You're either shrinking or it was all in your head that you look too tall.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You didn't look like I told you.

[A]

It was in my head.

[B]

For sure it was.

[A]

And I got it out.

[B]

Yeah. Because I. I didn't remember seeing someone who was like, I don't know how tall Shot.

[A]

I mean, you're not really that focused.

[B]

On much, but you're right on anything at all. Ever. Myself. That's crazy.

[A]

Like, no. Just like your whole ecosystem.

[B]

Do you think that's true? Yeah, I don't think that's true.

[A]

I think a lot of people are just focused on themselves.

[B]

I notice things.

[A]

I mean, it's not a bad way. A bad way to approach, like, not noticing everything.

[B]

How tall? Shock.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Are you taller than him?

[A]

No, I'm not taller than you because.

[B]

When I met Shock, I was like, he's very tall. But I don't. I don't really feel like that with you.

[A]

He's just. He's pause is like massive though.

[B]

Yeah. You're just very tall and skinny. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I really wish I would remember the question that I wanted to ask you.

[A]

Was it that interesting? Like you really.

[B]

It probably was. So interesting. And we'll never know what it was.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Do you have a bunker?

[A]

A what?

[B]

A bunker.

[A]

A bunker. Yeah, I thought about. I thought about that one time. I should get one.

[B]

I think you should.

[A]

You said the world is ending in 10 years. The AI guy said that. Right?

[B]

Yeah. I also heard there's going to be another Covid. The worse.

[A]

How many? You know, conspiracies. That's one thing you know.

[B]

Thank you. At least I have some crime docs.

[A]

You watch crime documentaries, huh?

[B]

No, I don't. I don't like to scare myself. I just feel like this information finds me.

[A]

This is the ultimate way to scare yourself, is by. No.

[B]

A billionaire told me that when I asked them if they had a bunker, they told me they heard from another group of billionaires that within the next 10 years there's going to be something like Covid, but way more destructive. And so they were planning for it. And I was like, well, I don't have a billion dollars, so I'm just screwed. But I was wondering if maybe you're not screwed.

[A]

I don't. I don't. I just don't know. I just.

[B]

You don't think of that stuff ever.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

That's good. I. I feel like.

[A]

So. So you're going to be preparing.

[B]

I'm. I'm not. I don't have the money to prepare for that.

[A]

So it.

[B]

Right. You best believe if I came in contact with a billion dollars, I would. The first thing on my list would be to get a bunker. Isn't Texas the place to get. Don't they have them here?

[A]

I'm sure you could build a bunker now.

[B]

I could not.

[A]

You make a lot of money.

[B]

Not enough to build a bunker. How much do you need for that? I feel like you'd need a staff for it.

[A]

No, you don't.

[B]

Yeah, I need a security guard.

[A]

For what?

[B]

In case something happens.

[A]

They're not supposed to know it's down there. What do you mean? You secure what from who?

[B]

Oh, so you think we should just be hiding?

[A]

That's the. That's what a bunker is.

[B]

Maybe. I think we have different ideas.

[A]

So you want to. Over. You want a bunker on the. Like, on land?

[B]

No, no, under. But I need all these things just in case.

[A]

Security is going to alert everybody at your bunkers right here.

[B]

They're not going to stand out front like it's a nightclub. They're going to stay down there just in case we need to go out and get supplies.

[A]

There's just an extra person taking up more space in the bunker.

[B]

Well, you do your bunker.

[A]

I'm just saying. No, I'm just trying to make this. Make.

[B]

Yeah, I just. I. I think if you take anything from this conversation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like you should probably get a bunker.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just feel like every rich person is doing their money wrong if they're not.

[A]

I mean, this is like this second time I heard this in like a week.

[B]

Oh, that's scary. Does that scare you a little.

[A]

No.

[B]

Somebody else also told you?

[A]

No. No. I just seen it, like, scroll on my timeline.

[B]

What do you scroll on?

[A]

Everything. I'm addicted to Instagram. Maybe that's why I hit you on Instagram instead of texting you.

[B]

You're on it a lot.

[A]

Yeah, it's just natural now to just go from that.

[B]

What do you do on there? Just scroll, like on the regular feed or just on who you follow?

[A]

I follow, like 3,500 people.

[B]

Oh, so you just watch all of that?

[A]

Like, for you page my timeline so I get a lot of content. Just scrolling my timeline and then checking up on people. Maybe somebody's birthday. I might need to say Happy Birthday.

[B]

Do you say Happy birthday?

[A]

I realize it was your birthday today.

[B]

When it's my birthday today, it's not. Why do you know that?

[A]

Because you're just a. A liar. You just happen to just lie. Just.

[B]

Just one of the things I wanted.

[A]

To know what you. And then go back to bed. That's like the devil on your shoulders.

[B]

Just like.

[A]

Just lie real quick.

[B]

Lie real quick. Yeah. Well, I just wanted to see what you would say. When's your birthday?

[A]

29Th of September.

[B]

Oh, my God. It just happened.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What'd you do?

[A]

I had Media Day, actually a bunch of interviews.

[B]

That's kind of boring for a birthday. Do you. As you get so old, do you still celebrate your birthdays this year?

[A]

It was the. The least. Only year. Yeah. The least amount of celebration birthday celebrations that I had.

[B]

What will you do for your 40th? That's kind of a big one.

[A]

That's a great question. I have no clue I don't want to plan. I don't like to plan.

[B]

Do you want me to plan it for you? Why?

[A]

No.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because I don't.

[B]

Give me one good reason and I won't plan it, but if you don't give me one.

[A]

Maybe if. Maybe if you actually come see one of my parties that I do in the next three years if I want to have a good time and go out one night. Yeah, you do sometimes.

[B]

What do you do at these parties?

[A]

I just sit by the bar the whole time. Were you deep Drake music and future and old school rap and just drank tequila and just look at the scene.

[B]

Wait, were you at that restaurant in Belgium?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I didn't know if I saw you over there, but those are those interesting.

[A]

It's good that you didn't see me, but I was there. I'd like to move like that.

[B]

What, just talk to girls or something? Is that why you go to these places or is it just fun for you?

[A]

What do you do when it's time to. Like when you want to go out with your girl, like with your girls? You go out to a club, right?

[B]

No, that's not what I would do. Go out to a club to have fun.

[A]

Well, you'll go out to a party. No, you was at the Dent. You was in Belgium at a party.

[B]

That was because we didn't know anybody there and we didn't have, like, what else are we gonna do?

[A]

Exactly. That's kind of how I feel when I go out.

[B]

So you're like, let me just.

[A]

What else I'm doing.

[B]

Do you like to. You like to socialize? You're not.

[A]

This has to be a curated environment, though. I don't like to just socialize with just everybody all the time. It could get to be too much. But if there's people I know I haven't seen in a while and we've hung out before and you kind of know my vibe in the party then.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I like to be around people.

[A]

I don't like to be bothered too much when I'm out doing my. You know what I mean?

[B]

We can cut this next part out, but do you. Do you remember you're scared of what I'm going to say right now? You look, like, scared. No, I just remembered this because when I first talked to Drake about going and doing the interview, he brought up the thing that was going viral of you and me. Do you remember that? That picture?

[A]

No.

[B]

You were with the girl who, like, like resembled me, and people were like, Katie and Bobby Altoff. And I was like, that is not me.

[A]

I remember that picture. I was like, on a boardwalk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's funny. Hell no.

[B]

That was. That was not me. Just to set the record straight, that was, of course. Okay, first of all, don't be too offensive. Of course.

[A]

But I didn't even know you. Like.

[B]

I know, but everybody was like, oh. And I. I truly was like, what? And I looked at it, and to this day, I don't even.

[A]

Not from afar. She did kind of look. No, it was almost like a silhouette. It wasn't like a close up.

[B]

Yeah, it was the back of her too, I think so. Like, it was just a white girl and people assumed and you're the hottest.

[A]

You were hot or so I was.

[B]

What?

[A]

You're the hottest white girl out at. At the time.

[B]

At the time. Who's. Who's replaced me?

[A]

I would say.

[B]

There'S.

[A]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know. But you were kind of hot for that.

[B]

And then they just all thought it was me. And then I. I just remember that because when I was talking to him about the interview, he was like, oh, yeah, I think Katie's gonna be there. And then I was like, oh, I remember. The only thing I knew of your name at that time was that people thought I was.

[A]

Who the is that?

[B]

I said. But yeah, full circle again from that viral moment of us walking ont yacht.

[A]

Yeah. Sancho pay.

[B]

Have you. Have you had a girlfriend ever?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have? I don't know. I don't. I don't know anything. Which is why I'm learning.

[A]

That's why I love you, man. You're curious.

[B]

I'm. I'm very. What would it take when you're like, dating a girl for you to actually settle down and marry her? Have you gotten close to marriage?

[A]

Yeah, I thought I was close, but.

[B]

Like, now then what would it take? What are you looking for?

[A]

I'm not actually looking for anything.

[B]

Okay, well, what if it came and slapped you on the face? What would change your mind?

[A]

What type of woman?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, just somebody I can hang out with every day that I can talk to. That's cool. You know the basics. Somebody I could be really be friends with and not look at it as if, like, you're my girlfriend, I'm your boyfriend. Like that expectation, that title, like that cloud that comes with that. Instead of like just us being natural friends. I'd rather that.

[B]

I wonder.

[A]

I wonder when you expectations is a little better for me, because sometimes I might not want to talk to you.

[B]

Or see you even when you live together.

[A]

Yeah, maybe I'm. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like naturally you just won't see them all the time because you're. Well, how long do you plan on playing this. This game for?

[A]

Hopefully a few more years.

[B]

That's it. What's the average age for?

[A]

19 years. 19 season. You mean that's.

[B]

I meant because it's coming up soon.

[A]

Geez.

[B]

Oh, so you should time it with your 40th birthday party I'm throwing you. We'll do a 40th birthday slash retirement. It'll be one. I've never thrown a party in my life. You're not gonna throw this one, but I'll throw yours. It's gonna be fun.

[A]

I don't know if you. But as far as having a, like a girl, somebody I live with, like.

[B]

Have you lived with anybody?

[A]

I have before.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it was cool. I had a good time. It was fun. Just wasn't something naturally. We just needed to go our separate ways for a second and figure ourselves out and remain friends and still kick it. But living together, that's a big commitment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like really combining your life with somebody on a day to day is crazy. Especially I don't know, like when you lived your whole life by yourself and then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now you're living with somebody.

[B]

Yeah. You should take your time.

[A]

Definitely. Maybe you come over once or twice a week and maybe leave something. But go home though.

[B]

Yeah. Don't. Don't stay here. Don't make yourself at home.

[A]

Not even like it's like almost like a checkout.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like after breakfast, like better you gotta dip because it's like now you're gonna get too comfortable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now we're not there yet. But once we get there though, you can stay past 2 till at least to at least 4.

[B]

4. That's kind of. How late do you go to bed?

[A]

That's the next level.

[B]

Four is kind of late.

[A]

4Pm I know that's.

[B]

I'm saying that's the full. That's late checkout.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Next level, after 12pm checkout, then it's.

[B]

A 4pm and then you'll let them extend their stay later on.

[A]

You extend your stay? Depends on how, if you. What type of consumer, I mean what type of tenant, whatever. You, if you stay and you do your thing, you make sure my is right, then you get to stay longer.

[B]

What if you marry someone who's like way more wealthy than you and then you're staying at their house. Would you do that?

[A]

I would, I would definitely get out their way until I feel as though.

[B]

I don't think they'd have a problem with you getting out of their way.

[A]

Like, but still I would, I wouldn't feel right just invading. Yeah. Invading somebody else's house and just being comfortable because I know how I am when I get comfortable in somebody else's house. So if it's in my house and I treat your house like it's mine, then I don't know if you want me to rock like that yet. So. Yeah, I would ease my way into that situation.

[B]

I think you should. Whenever you find this person, do your little tenant thing and then date for like three years. Do you think that's good? Three years?

[A]

Three years.

[B]

You're.

[A]

You're, you're takes it.

[B]

You're running out of time. Unless you're dating young girls. Are you dating younger? Not young girls, just to be clear, but like younger.

[A]

Like you said, a lot of women are waiting to have kids. Get.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like there's women my age or a few years younger that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are still available and women picky nowadays so they not just dating anybody.

[B]

Have you been broken up with?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? Were you sad?

[A]

No, I actually, actually was wanted. I wanted it, but I was just so childish and I didn't. I couldn't communicate that at the time. And she was older than me too, so like she was a little intimidating right now.

[B]

Do you date girls that are older than you too?

[A]

I would.

[B]

Like 50.

[A]

I mean it's very rare that a 50 year old is like ready to date.

[B]

Would you date someone with kids?

[A]

How many kids we talking?

[B]

Like six?

[A]

Hell no. The.

[B]

What's your line?

[A]

One kid, even one kid is like. Let me think about it.

[B]

It's a lot of baby daddy.

[A]

It's not even a baby. It's probably like the, the dad.

[B]

So I said baby daddy drama, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just don't feel that. I don't feel like I even want to have to have a conversation with another man, like, because I will have to have one if you got kids involved and I'm dating your baby mom this exclusively. Like I wouldn't feel right not having a relationship with this guy and I'm wearing this dude kid every day. So it's just like I'm not really like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To add another guy into the equation, I got to like put my arm around, just like make this whole thing work. It's just like, it's too much.

[B]

I'm shocked. I. I thought you'd be someone who dated like 20 year olds, not 20. I feel like that's 20, 25 dating.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely hung out with some like 23, 22. You know, I mean being in the same club and yeah. Had a conversation like, damn, you're 21. 22. Shit.

[B]

Then you said goodbye because, I mean.

[A]

I didn't say goodbye, but how did I try to pursue. Yeah, I don't, I don't want the 22, 23, 24. They young with a lot of energy. They usually pursuing the older guys, of course.

[B]

I mean I met my ex husband when he was 30. I was 21.

[A]

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Wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like that's what I. I was like. I wanted an older guy.

[A]

So Mia, you felt like you were ready for that?

[B]

Yeah. I wanted to be a mother. So no one ever comes up to you and is like just. You don't want to just have kids with someone. You want to get married first?

[A]

I wouldn't say get married. No.

[B]

Do you want to get married?

[A]

No. No.

[B]

Really? Ever? What if they sign a prenup?

[A]

That's not really a prenup, though.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

I mean, because you'll still have to when you walk away have to at least give something up.

[B]

Not if you sign. You think like Jeff Bezos when he married Lauren Sanchez. She. She's gonna get away with stuff.

[A]

Did he do. Didn't that happen with his last wife?

[B]

Well, that's because she was there for him since the beginning. That's fair. But I'm saying if you meet somebody when you already have.

[A]

Did she help him start a company?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, she did.

[B]

Yeah, she did a lot.

[A]

I didn't know much about his ex wife.

[B]

Well, she donated, like, half of what he gave her. She donated it.

[A]

This is crazy.

[B]

She's a great. She's a great woman.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure she'll have. She'll walk away with something. Maybe not half is.

[B]

Well, I. I feel like you could afford lawyers to make sure she doesn't walk away with.

[A]

I'm not really concerned about that anyway. Because if it's somebody I with and then we end up walking away from each other, hopefully it ain't as bad. And I want to take care of you anyway and make sure you straight. Set you off well, but not, like, be taken advantage of. You see what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would still be a good friend. That's what I mean. Or I would try to be.

[B]

Unless you hate each other.

[A]

In an ideal world, yeah. In a perfect.

[B]

Well, in a perfect world, wouldn't you just not get divorced or, like, break up? You'd stay with them forever.

[A]

That's not ever going to be. That's not ever in a. I mean, I never seen that.

[B]

You couldn't do that, be with one person for the rest of your life.

[A]

I don't know if that's. I don't know. Who have you seen that has done that?

[B]

It's a good question. Let me think.

[A]

I think divorce is actually more of a realistic.

[B]

Yeah, it is, because 100%. I mean, I failed, so.

[A]

And then higher divorce percentages are higher. Right.

[B]

It's only like 50, though. Maybe it's a little bit more. So it's like you had a 50. 50 chance.

[A]

That's not good.

[B]

You probably take, like, shots that you'd have less of a chance, right?

[A]

Yeah. But still, that's like banging on you the rest of it. Like forever, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you. And you banking on it being 50? 50?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if I want to take those odds, but.

[B]

Are you. Would you give your children the woman's last name?

[A]

Hell no.

[B]

Well, you're not getting married, so technically she'll keep her last name. They could also keep hers so you.

[A]

Saying if I have children, they have heard last. Her last name.

[B]

Yeah. You wouldn't do that.

[A]

What?

[B]

You wouldn't.

[A]

No, that's not it to me. I've seen that happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like. Yeah, but that's not it to me.

[B]

I. I'm with you on the marriage thing. I mean, I. I failed the first time. I didn't think I would have, but I did. So maybe next I. I shouldn't get married again.

[A]

It's just like the word marriage. I get it. But it's more so like what that relationship is like. Like, do I want to be with somebody every day?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hang with the same person every day.

[B]

I think that's what most people. When you're really old and it's like you're not going out anymore.

[A]

Without the option to do my own thing.

[B]

No, but you will. You'll have your own life. You're gonna find a girl that. You probably won't at this point. I think you might not, but I feel like the idea is that you'd find a girl that you want to spend every day forever with. That's kind of a long time, but it's really not. You're 37. What's like the average age that men live till?

[A]

6.

[B]

70 something?

[A]

I hope so. Yeah. So you could.

[B]

That's like 40 years with someone. You can do that.

[A]

40 years?

[B]

Yeah. That's too many.

[A]

I'm not gonna think. I'm not gonna plan for 40 year stretch. That's just too hard to plan for.

[B]

Okay, well then you should get a surrogate.

[A]

A surrogate? Why?

[B]

Well, so that you can just have no strings attached. You don't even have to worry about.

[A]

I could still. I mean, I want some strings attached. I mean, damn. I don't want to.

[B]

Like just a few strings.

[A]

Yeah, just. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, got it. I'll. I'll start looking.

[A]

I don't want it. I don't want it to be a traditional way of like, what if you have a wedding?

[B]

What if she wants a wedd ceremony, but you don't have to actually sign anything. I feel like that's good too.

[A]

So just have a party.

[B]

Yeah, basically. But where you go? I. You don't. You don't show yourself at the end of a. Like at the end. And you have a whole. Really?

[A]

No, Like a wedding.

[B]

Yeah. You could have a wedding without like actually being married.

[A]

Why?

[B]

For the. You don't. You don't want that.

[A]

I never really dreamt of having a wedding day. It was never really. When I go to weddings. It's like, oh, this is cool. This is dope. This is a cool.

[B]

You don't ever see yourself.

[A]

It's not a. It's not. No, it's not. It's not like it needs to happen.

[B]

In my mind, I like thought, you.

[A]

Know what you want, but it's still a cool event. Don't get me wrong.

[B]

But maybe one day you'll meet someone who will change your mind.

[A]

I'm open minded. Like I'm. I'm sure that it may happen. I'm not. I'm not closing the door or nothing, but I'm not expecting it. That's all I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah, I do feel like most women kind of want that.

[A]

Is that the angle for women?

[B]

I feel like it is. I could be wrong.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

I feel like a lot. Not. I wouldn't say most. And I would say most. I would say there are some who don't though.

[A]

You just have to find for you. Did you feel like you made it once you.

[B]

I didn't have a wedding or anything, so no. We just got married in a courthouse.

[A]

So a wedding didn't make you feel.

[B]

I mean, we got. I wanted to have like, I.

[A]

The lack of a wedding made you feel like it wasn't like a complete.

[B]

Yeah. Which is why I think it's kind of all like just about that.

[A]

So it's about just that.

[B]

That is like that moment was what I was like what I want. When I was a kid, I wasn't dreaming of like going to a courthouse and signing a document. I was like thinking of like wearing a white dress and having like this huge party and standing crazy.

[A]

See, that's, that's, that's. That's dangerous too though.

[B]

It is. I wish I had bigger goals for myself as a child.

[A]

That's all I wanted for the simple fact how. How weddings, engagement rings, wedding rings, baby showers, all of that is marketed.

[B]

Yeah, it is it all. But even with. To people parenting these days, it's all about money.

[A]

It's all like, are you gonna parent?

[B]

Like, because when I was having. When I had my babies, when they were babies, everything is like they sell something for everything. I didn't buy any. Buy into a lot of it, but I. Will you do that? Will you just do things kind of like, will your kids sleep in your bed and stuff to buy a crib for them?

[A]

I'm sure they will sleep in your.

[B]

Did you sleep in your mom's bed?

[A]

Yeah. And my dad, mom. Like when they were together. Yeah, I Hopped in their bed.

[B]

When I was young, I slept in my parents.

[A]

It was bigger, it was bigger. Then they had the TV right by the bed, so it was just way more cooler to be in their room.

[B]

How old were you when you stopped?

[A]

So when my mom wasn't at home, I would go sleep in her bed. Like when she like out for the day and I can nap or some shit. Like I was chilling in her room, watch tv. Because man, my brother shared a room, so he being, he was older than me, so he kind of like bullied me out the room and shit. So whatever he wanted to watch, he watched. So I would go my mom room chilling her bed, fall asleep, watch tv, eat, you know what I mean?

[B]

That's cute.

[A]

So it felt like it was my room.

[B]

My kids don't even.

[A]

I was like 15, 16, really.

[B]

I think I slept in my parents bed until I was like 12. I would start off in my own bed and get scared every night.

[A]

See?

[B]

No, not like that, but really I got scared.

[A]

It wasn't like middle of the night, I need to go sleep with my mom. Just like if I. If I fell asleep at 9pm watching some. I'm just gonna go ahead, call it a night in her room and wait till the morning time. You see what I'm saying?

[B]

Do you got scared ever? Like being a man, I feel like. Do you get to. Do you ever feel afraid of things?

[A]

No, not. No. Like just get startled out of nowhere?

[B]

Yeah. You're not scared of the dark or anything? No, I don't know. I'm scared of.

[A]

I do think sometimes, like when I'm alone sometimes and it's dark and it's just like a. It looks like a scene or a scary movie. At home sometimes I would just. I would just think if I were in one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Like a quick thought of like what it was, the biggest monster. Just come down the hill outside like and creep up and like what would I do? I don't know. I just had those random thoughts. Sometimes when I'm just walking to the bathroom late at night.

[B]

I used to think that. Or did you ever, when you were a kid, do Bloody Mary? Did you have people do that? No, I didn't do it myself, but people would do that. And I was so afraid that like I would accidentally think those thoughts into my mirror and it would happen.

[A]

What about Candyman?

[B]

No, I've heard of that.

[A]

What is that you say his name is? It says name like three times in a mirror.

[B]

I've heard of that and then. Yeah. Have you ever done it?

[A]

No, but. Well, I should have tried because it's.

[B]

Like, maybe you should still try it.

[A]

It's not really. It's not real, but it did scare me as a kid. It did scare me. Coming up.

[B]

Do you believe in ghosts and stuff?

[A]

No.

[B]

I don't either, but I feel like people do.

[A]

Generally, people do believe in spirits and.

[B]

Like, you don't believe in any of that.

[A]

UFOs and ghosts.

[B]

Do you believe in God?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I feel like people who believe in God sometimes also believe in ghosts. Yeah.

[A]

So what are you trying to say?

[B]

I, I don't, I'm asking. I genuinely don't believe in ghosts or anything.

[A]

So you don't believe in God?

[B]

That's a tough question. I, I do, but I don't believe in it in like the sense of like a Christian Bible God, like religion. Yeah. Like, I believe that there had to be something that created us. But I could be so wrong and I could end up going down.

[A]

We all could be wrong.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't know that anybody really knows.

[A]

We don't.

[B]

Some people think they know more.

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why the world is mad right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because we really don't know what happens when we die.

[B]

Are you scared of dying?

[A]

I, I, I, I used to be, but I realized it was like, the way out.

[B]

Like, you're scared of how it sucks that, like, we're both gonna have to do it one day. You know? It's like the one thing where everybody has to do one day. I don't like that.

[A]

Yeah, I don't either, but it's just the way of life. But why, why you here? You might as well just.

[B]

Yeah, but it's. Do you remember when you were a kid ever being afraid of your parents dying? Did that like, did that ever keep you up at night?

[A]

Not keep me up.

[B]

That used to keep me up at night. And now it's happening to my daughter where she was like, mommy, I'm scared you're gonna die. When I'm a kid and I'm like, well, damn, did something like, do you know that's gonna happen? Scares me.

[A]

She loves you so much that she loves you.

[B]

Yeah. She's so scared of me.

[A]

I can't take it if my mom not here, so. But it's actually like, she loves you so much.

[B]

She loves me so much that I can't. Like, leaving her is so hard.

[A]

I've so hard that she thinks about the wor. The worst thing, you leaving for just a trip is just like, I can't imagine if this was forever.

[B]

That's why you need to wait to have kids, though. Because the thing about having kids is you have these little people who love you so much that if you want to go live your own life, it's hard because one day you're going to have kids and it's going to be like. Like the clingiest girlfriend you can imagine. That's like, having kids, they're the clingiest people in the world. You're not going to be able to. You're a dad, so maybe you won't. You'll be a dad. You're not one right now.

[A]

So when you're at home, your kids just on your hip at all times.

[B]

They don't let me, like, go to the bathroom alone. I sit on the toilet with a kid on my lap. Usually they're like, mommy, but I'll close my eyes. I'm like, thank you. I love.

[A]

It's kind of cool at the same time, though, right?

[B]

It's. It's. There's nothing in this world that will make you well. Hey, you can't be suicidal or anything because it's like my. I feel like before I had kids, I was always like, well, if this doesn't work out, I'm just like, out of here. But then I have kids now, and I'm like, they're. They literally the only thing they want in this world is me to be alive. So I'm like, I have to be alive, and I have to kind of do a good job at it because I'm trying to keep, you know, it's. It's. You really have something to live for when you have kids.

[A]

Like, all my homies. Close. Homies got kids, and I just see how they are with them, and I'm just like, it looks fun.

[B]

It's crazy. You're gonna do that and look back and you're gonna be like, wow. It's just. It changes everything. There's like a you before kids and then you after, really. You with freedom, and then you without freedom.

[A]

Freedom goes that. Like, that really?

[B]

A hundred percent.

[A]

You look like you're doing your thing, though.

[B]

Barely. You probably think that my sister was laughing that, like, I forget what I was doing the other day, but I was on, like, a meeting or something, and it was like. She's like, I wonder if people know that while they're talking to you, you're just at home, like, with like a kid on your boob and like doing. It's like, I. You think I have freedom and like, for some. For I would say like 10 of my life. I do.

[A]

But you're juggling.

[B]

But I'm at home.

[A]

Like, you're juggling.

[B]

And while. While I was walking into here, I was like on the phone with my kids school and like, yeah, one of my kids is in school and one's not.

[A]

And you draw your daughter to school every morning?

[B]

Every morning. And I always, unless I'm out of town, I take her to school and I pick her up every day. So it's a lot because there's only seven hours and the school's 30 minutes away. So I feel like I go home and I'm coming right back. But that's why this is a good job for me, because I get to do that and then be gone a few days.

[A]

But you've been doing some cool.

[B]

It's been fun. Switzerland was the longest I've left my kids, though.

[A]

That's a long trip.

[B]

It was long. How long were you there?

[A]

I left right after that stop when they went to. I think they went to Germany. Right after that I came home.

[B]

So we were both. Do you fly private everywhere you go?

[A]

Not most of the time I do, but this summer when I was flying with the boy to come meet him places and I was flying commercial, it's way easier because it's like they in la, they got that private. You ever been there? No, it's like the. It's like. I think it's a. One of them airlines, Delta, that one.

[B]

Of those they have.

[A]

You could pull into the. You don't even got to pull into the main concourse, and they'll just take you right to the plane.

[B]

That's so nice.

[A]

It's like a suite.

[B]

And they hold you to unlock that one day.

[A]

I've seen like, the people I've seen there were just random regular people.

[B]

They're probably either Nepo babies or not. They're not random.

[A]

Or maybe they just.

[B]

It's like 5,000.

[A]

Maybe somebody told them about that service and they called and say, I want their service.

[B]

No, it's. I feel like when I. I did an interview once with someone who was telling me about it, and they said it's $5,000 on top of your ticket each way to add. Do you even. Do you buy your own plane tickets? Like, I don't picture you logging into Delta app. No. That's so cool.

[A]

I have a travel agent, a travel.

[B]

Agent who books all of your. That's so cool. I want to be you when I'm 37.

[A]

So you just book?

[B]

Well, yeah, I just log into Delta's app and I book flights.

[A]

You don't have an assistant?

[B]

Not right now. I had one.

[A]

Is. Is like, how often are you working, though?

[B]

It's like, so hit or miss? Like, sometimes I'm like, when I'm not doing interviews, I'm really not doing anything, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Am I gonna have to pay you after this?

[A]

10,000.

[B]

$10,000.

[A]

In ones.

[B]

In ones.

[A]

No, I'm just joking.

[B]

What are you gonna do when you're done with basketball?

[A]

I don't know. Sit around, just.

[B]

You're retiring fully from chill life.

[A]

Who knows? I might do that or I might just do a bunch of.

[B]

I feel like, what do other NBA players do when they retire? They kind of don't.

[A]

They become broadcasters. Podcasts? No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I thought I. I thought I would want to do that a few years ago. Now it's just like, oversaturated with people. It's just like, I feel like you'd.

[B]

Get a good spot if you wanted to.

[A]

I would, but I don't feel like talking about.

[B]

Yeah. And do you still enjoy watching basketball?

[A]

I do.

[B]

Think you'll watch other games?

[A]

I will. I will. I don't enjoy listening to the up. The broadcast one more like that was a huge part of watching games, like hearing the commentators and.

[B]

Yeah. Have you ever enjoyed that?

[A]

Hearing analysis of the game? I don't like it no more. I just. I just watch it on mute now.

[B]

Oh, you watch the whole game on you?

[A]

Yeah, with my music on in the back. Playing a video game.

[B]

You play video games?

[A]

That's what I was doing before I came here.

[B]

What game do you play?

[A]

2K.

[B]

So you're just always playing basketball?

[A]

Yeah. Right. It's crazy.

[B]

Is there. Is there a player that's you in that game?

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, do you play as yourself in that game?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You do?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's kind of badass.

[A]

It is Fire. You would do the same thing.

[B]

I would 100. I just think that's badass. I wasn't. I wasn't saying I wouldn't.

[A]

Now, do you watch your interviews over? Do you like, rewatch them?

[B]

Sometimes I do. I can be very self absorbed sometimes.

[A]

Are you watching them to pat yourself on the back or actually get better?

[B]

Well, so sometimes what I'll do is I'll re. Watch, like ones that I really like to like. See what I was doing that I liked about those like, why did that? But sometimes I'm just like, oh, I looked cute in that one. Let me watch it again. And then I'm like, let me see.

[A]

But so, yeah, you screenshot and get the.

[B]

Yeah, like, I. I really liked my hair in one of them and like, like, I literally remember watching it over just to be like, my hair looks so good in that. And let me just like show my hairdresser my hair as inspo because I thought I looked good. But yeah, I'll rewatch my stuff. I. Lexi was just showing me a tick tock that was like, something about how you, like, do you like, just me sitting there watching, like, my stories after I post. Do you do that ever? Like, you're like, oh, I like, I.

[A]

Rewatch them all day.

[B]

I feel like you kind of have to be your own biggest fan sometimes.

[A]

You have to like, it's like dropping a mixtape or album.

[B]

Would you do that ever?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you sing rap? No. Would you?

[A]

I would. Yeah.

[B]

But you have no experience.

[A]

Yeah, I do have experience.

[B]

You do?

[A]

I've been in a studio before.

[B]

And you. And you rapped?

[A]

Yeah. I made a song.

[B]

Did you put it out?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wonder if anybody knows this.

[A]

Go find it.

[B]

What's it called?

[A]

Go find it.

[B]

Do you have a secret name?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, it's just. It's just Kevin Durant rap.

[A]

And that's what you want to type in on Google then, or YouTube then. Maybe that'll work for you.

[B]

Maybe you'll do that when you retire.

[A]

No.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I'll be too old by that point, right? 40, 41, 42.

[B]

That's fine. I feel like people start things at all times. I feel like. Would you. You wouldn't opt.

[A]

No.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I'm. I'm not good at acting.

[B]

Have you tried?

[A]

Yeah, I have.

[B]

What did you try?

[A]

Like, how I did, like, this cheesy, like, movie when I was like 23 called Thunderstruck. It was.

[B]

You didn't enjoy the experience?

[A]

Kids still come to me and say they love that movie. It was so cheesy that you like it. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So corny that it was good.

[B]

I think you could do some more roles like that.

[A]

I don't want to. It was not. If I could do it over again, I would not do it.

[B]

You would.

[A]

Or I would do something way more.

[B]

Cooler, like, okay, maybe you'll get something way cooler. Would you play yourself in like a.

[A]

No, I would have to be like a kingpin that, like, be able to shoot a gun on camera. That's what you have, like girls in my scene. I just want to be like girls in your scene. Just mad like. Yeah, just be like a player pimp.

[B]

Like, that's what you.

[A]

Okay in the neighborhood. Like that would be fun to be on, portray on camera.

[B]

I hope that happens after this, like.

[A]

Shooting a fake, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's not real. It's like, no repercussions from shooting this gun in the middle of the street at somebody. Like that would be solid for a day or for a couple months of filming, right?

[B]

Yeah. You have so many opportunities in the next three years when you're 40.

[A]

But that's not. That hasn't been my lifestyle. So I don't know if anybody would buy me playing that role.

[B]

What is your lifestyle? Just basketball. I feel like when I hear of you, it's just basketball.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

Yeah. There's nothing like more to it. You just play basketball.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, what else. What else should I be doing at this point?

[B]

No, I. I think that's good.

[A]

I have a certain time period to do this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't waste it doing other shit. I have to maximize my time period.

[B]

Do you feel older when you're playing now? Is it harder or is it not? Because 37 is not actually that old.

[A]

It's not old, but it's old in my profession.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I definitely am more aware that I'm getting older.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Before you get up and you don't realize that you just played all night and you got to play again the next night and then you got a day off and play again the next night. You know, I mean, you don't realize that you're just doing it and then. But as you get older, you like, this is three games and four days. I've been travel three time zones. Like, damn. I'm actually not sleeping. Like you kind of just more aware of some shit when you get older.

[B]

Yeah. Are you. Are you a healthy person? You kind of have to be, right?

[A]

I try to be.

[B]

How. How many hours do you sleep at night?

[A]

Oh, probably five and a half.

[B]

That's it. I heard when you get older, you can sleep less.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, what time do you go to sleep?

[B]

Nine.

[A]

And what time you get up?

[B]

Seven.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

I know, that's. I get a lot of sleep.

[A]

Why are you sleeping that long?

[B]

Well, I put my kids to sleep the same way every night. Like, they both lay on my arms like this. Like one kid on each arm and then I count to usually 300. Like I just sit there Because I figured out that's the best way to get them to like fall asleep is if I just count until a really high number. And I'm like, if we make it to 300, we can get up. But if we don't, you have like. And they never make it. But it puts me to sleep every night. So I don't know how to stop that. Like, I just sit there and I count. And then it's every time I wake up and it's the morning and I'm like, well, I just slept all night.

[A]

Did your kids go to sleep with like. Like white noise?

[B]

Yeah, I have white noise going. I have all of that. Usually when I go to hotels now, I have to have white noise because I'm so used to having that at home. Do you have that? Do you sleep with that?

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy how. Because I used to sleep with the fan.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The box fan. And then it's kind of the same and I just thought it was because of the breeze, but it was because of the sound.

[B]

The sound.

[A]

And I was just like, oh, damn. I just like the sound. And then I just started on YouTube putting it through the TV and it'd be loud as shit and I just knock out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I used to order a fan every road trip.

[B]

You did? Why didn't you just take the fan with you? Oh, it's kind of big.

[A]

It's kind of.

[B]

What'd you do with it after? Just leave it there.

[A]

But every time I go back, because we go to these cities a couple times a year, every time I go back, they just know to put the fan in my room.

[B]

Now that's cute.

[A]

So. But it was because of the white noise, so. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that I love white noise until you're like.

[B]

A seven foot tall baby.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's adorable.

[A]

I call it my. I'm tapping into my kid, like, energy.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know why we ever stopped.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like being. I don't know, it's sweet. Like I. I put my white noise on. I keep it completely blacked out every night.

[A]

Dark.

[B]

Yeah. I can't have any light. Like, I cover any little dot of light that's coming in.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I've pitched block. But that's why it's so hard to not fall asleep.

[A]

But no TV on.

[B]

But then you only sleep for five hours.

[A]

I don't, I don't. I don't plan on it though, because I don't set an alarm. It's just. I just get Up.

[B]

What time do you go to bed?

[A]

When? Usually between, like, anytime. Like 9. Sometimes from 9 to 1 in the morning, sometimes 4 in the morning. And I still just hop up whenever I need to.

[B]

Do you work out every single day?

[A]

At least five times a week, six times a week, sometimes just once a day, yeah.

[B]

You don't have a crazy.

[A]

It's pretty easy. It's like a one block of working out for, let's say, three hours of working out, just doing shit in the gym, and then the rest of the day is free.

[B]

When you were growing up, did you work out more than you do now?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What do you. What do you. If. When you have kids come up to you and are like, I want to be you one day, do you tell them anything, like, what they could do?

[A]

No, I just. I give them little advice on, like, basketball details.

[B]

Like, what are. What are. What's the advice?

[A]

Just, like, how to shoot footwork. I don't try to, like, encourage them, like, oh, you're gonna be in the NBA. Or like. I just try to, like, give them little tidbits on how to. To be good at your craft, you know, I don't try to be a.

[B]

What's your tip for shooting?

[A]

It's more. It's a lot about footwork, how your.

[B]

Feet are when you try. How do you. What do you do? Like that.

[A]

It's just a lot to. I know you want to. I'll teach you one day.

[B]

You will?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to be able to shoot into a hoop I've. I've made.

[A]

That's a satisfying feeling.

[B]

I. I've heard that all rich people force their kids to do something because.

[A]

You gotta realize we all. We all are athletic when we're kids. Athletic bodies, we're flexible as kids. We can all touch our toes. It's when we sit around, as we get older, we lose that flexibility. We become tighter and we can't know how to run. We don't got proper mechanics.

[B]

It's all about mechanics.

[A]

And when you learn mechanics, you were a runner. You understand that?

[B]

I used to. It's crazy. I used to be so fit because I'm so the opposite of that now.

[A]

It's like if you. If you don't use it, you lose it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I. I can't even go on a long walk now. Like, if I go to Disneyland with my kids, my lower back hurts so bad. And like, I'm getting so old, but I think I'm like.

[A]

Cause your hips tight. I know, like, your hamstrings tight. It's like, if you. If you get stretched or do some yoga three times a week.

[B]

Do you do yoga?

[A]

I have before, but it's just like. When you're a professional athlete, though, they give you so many different methods of training and certain. So much shit can help your body, like, without having to, like, heavy weight train or running fib miles or like. It's so much that you can do to maintain your health that I've learned as a pro. Stretching every day. Little small, every day that normal people can do to become fit and athletic. You know what I'm saying? Even if you haven't did in 10.

[B]

Years, I need to start again because I'm gonna really cripple myself.

[A]

Especially if you want your kids to be athletic.

[B]

Yeah, I'll start.

[A]

You can't just be out there, just like, go do this and do that. They're gonna be at one day, like, can you do anything?

[B]

And I'm gonna say no. Have you heard of. Have you seen the movie about Serena and Venus Williams and how they're.

[A]

God, I love that movie.

[B]

It's so good. But their dad was like. With them making them. Yeah. And it's crazy because it worked out.

[A]

And they loved it too. They loved their dad.

[B]

I feel like you hate it in the moment, but then later on you're like, so good at it that it's like.

[A]

I feel like. Yeah, you hate it for sure. And I think. I think in every human being, you have like a soul and a conscious that talking to you, saying that they actually love you a lot. For them to be here sitting on the sideline while you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Go through hours of this, it's like a certain side of you realize that's like.

[B]

That they care about you dedicating their whole life. Yeah, I know. I want to do that because it's. I wish. Well, it's like anything. If you do it a lot, you're good. You get better at it.

[A]

Simple.

[B]

I mean, I. My first interview, I had no question. I didn't even have any conversation with my guests. I was like, I don't know what I'm.

[A]

You're naturally.

[B]

I don't know. But now I was like, I actually can talk to people, so I'm gonna start actually talking and learning things. But yeah, I feel like anything if you do a lot of it. So it's like, my parents never. I did gymnastics for a year, and then I said I wanted to quit. And they said, okay, see? And then I did dance. They said, maybe I would have rhythm now if My parents kept me there. I don't think you can learn rhythm, do you?

[A]

Yeah, you can learn anything.

[B]

Not rhythm. I think that might just be something.

[A]

Repetition. I tried to quit basketball.

[B]

You did?

[A]

When I was like 11. It just became too much.

[B]

And how did your mom. She was just like, no.

[A]

Well, she got together with my coaches and the people that, like, she made, like a big intervention, like, made me feel like I was committing a crime. And my coaches was like, well, if you gonna quit, you need to take a ballet or you can't come around here no more. You can't come to the gym no more. You can't come to the rec center because the rec center is.

[B]

Oh, you were serious about quitting?

[A]

No, I was dead. Like, I'm not coming. I came into the gym for a scheduled workout and I was, I'm not doing it.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. At 11?

[A]

Yes. I was sick of everybody because it was just like I. I felt like a robot. They was just telling me to do shit, and I was just doing it. And it was just like no compassion and no. No empathy at all. I was just being a kid, you know, it was soft, intimidated, Wanted some love. So I was like, all this. And then my mom was like, what?

[B]

You said you went into the rec center.

[A]

I went to the rec center. And my coach was like, he ran the rec center so he can kick people out. The rec center. So you can't come in here unless you're gonna go to the back. They had ballet class in the back. And it's like, if you want to come in here, the only thing you could do is ballet. You can't go pick a basketball up. You can't go to a room. You can't go to the game room. I was like, shit. And then my mom was conspiring with him, so anything he said, she was just like, yep.

[B]

Have you talked to him now?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you happy he forced you?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's a crazy way to force you. It works. You don't want to do ballet?

[A]

Hell no. Because it was like, what somebody say do ballet. But I actually, looking back on it, I was like, damn, that'll make me more flexible. It made me more athletic. If I'd have, like, realized benefits.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Doing of like, you probably would have.

[B]

Done it for, I don't think one session. You were going to do it, though. There was no if.

[A]

I would have known the benefits and how I could help you on a.

[B]

Basketball court, I. I think that it worked out fine. Even though you didn't do Ballet. Yeah, you could be even better.

[A]

But maybe I. Maybe I left something on the table. Athleticism wise, not trying. Ballet.

[B]

What. What happened after they said that you walked out and you were like, I.

[A]

Just said, I can't beat like 10 people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm 11. Like, when I was. I gotta ask one of them to take me home. I gotta ask my mom for some money to eat.

[B]

Like, yeah, you didn't have a lot.

[A]

I can't just go live on my own and do my own thing. So I had to just abide by the rules. And I end up just falling back in love with the game again.

[B]

How long after that?

[A]

A couple days. I'm like, I didn't really want to.

[B]

Quit, but that's why I feel like I just didn't want my parents would let me quit. And it's like, I probably wouldn't have if you just pushed me a couple more days.

[A]

It was just that day. You probably didn't feel like getting up.

[B]

Like, I don't want to go do this.

[A]

It's like a six day in a road. Like, y' all don't know where rest is. Yeah, that's how I feel. And I'm like, you got school on top of this? And I had to catch the public transportation at that time.

[B]

Like that school bus or just like an actual.

[A]

An actual city bus to the school bus.

[B]

How long was that?

[A]

I mean, it's. Realistically, it's a mile and a half.

[B]

Yeah. But that can take like an hour.

[A]

Yeah. On the bus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, it felt like I was driving across the state every day.

[B]

You had to take both?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would have quit too.

[A]

Oh, I had to walk somewhere. I, Like, I was really on my feet walking for like four hours. Like, I was at nine, ten. I had to walk three, four hours at, like ten at night to my house. Like, it was like that I was doing. I was just like, all right, man.

[B]

I couldn't time.

[A]

It was a different time.

[B]

Like, you could walk back then. I feel like now you might get kidnapped.

[A]

You can get kidnapped back then too.

[B]

But now it's just. I. Would you let your kids walk like that now?

[A]

My mom was a menace, though. She didn't give a fuck. She. She loved us and cared about us, but she knew that, like, thought you'd be good. She trusted, like, she one of those. I got faith in God that y' all boys ain't. Ain't shit gonna happen to y'. All. So y' all can go through some shit when y' all around Me. So y' all misses the bus or. Or you got kicked off the school bus, or you stayed at the gym too long and. And you missed when I. I pulled up to your grandma house to pick you up. I bet you walking home.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I had the opposite type of parenting, for real. My mom was not. Like, she wouldn't let me go anywhere alone at all. Like, if I wanted to go out with my friend, she was gonna be in the same movie theater, sitting five rows back, watching me sick. Like, pretend I'm not there. It's okay. And I was like, mom, everybody else gets to be alone. I couldn't walk anywhere, do anything that was cr. I mean, I wanted. I think I needed a little bit.

[A]

My mom, maybe there's more for her.

[B]

She was just very. I try not to be like that now because I see it. I used to think my mom was so crazy about that. And now I'm like, trying to put an air tag in my kid's shoe when she goes to school. And she's like, mom, I don't want this. And I'm like, you? What do you mean, you could go missing?

[A]

Yeah. No, I mean, fuck, at that age. I can remember getting on a bus at 9, 10, public bus by myself.

[B]

Where was your brother not with you?

[A]

Most of the time he would be with me, but then there's some times that he'd go to. Cause he three years older. So when I'm in like middle school, he's going to high school. So like, we had two different schools across the county. You know what I'm saying? 10, 15, 20 minutes apart. So he dropped me off at one bus stop. He go one way, I go the other way. Now I'm on my own for the rest of the day.

[B]

You're a child, and I don't see.

[A]

Them till 5pm at the gym. You know what I'm saying? So I was living like that, moving around D.C. maryland, Virginia like that, from 8 years old to like 14, 15. Just. You see a lot, though. You learn a lot.

[B]

Yeah, you.

[A]

You understand streets a little bit. Just how to navigate outside the house a little bit. It was beneficial, but it was scary.

[B]

As you were scared during that time.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Public transportation at that age by yourself. I'm seeing. I'm. That's when I first started seeing the world. So I'm seeing fighting people on a bus. I'm seeing gang fights. I'm seeing. I'm seeing shit that I'm seeing like. Like older men chasing out their younger. I'm saying real life on the bus.

[B]

You'Re just watching, just walking outside.

[A]

I'm just saying real life in the neighborhood that I was in, I'm just like, damn. That's really how it is. Because you shielded at home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, all I have to know is cartoons and basketball. And then you start going outside a little bit more. You start seeing that's outside the norm. But it's normal in the real world. But in your world, that is like a shock.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So at that age, I'm just like putting in perspective a little earlier.

[B]

I can't even imagine. Because you were nine. That's like fifth grade, right?

[A]

That's like more so when I was. I'm thinking more so like sixth, seventh grade.

[B]

Okay. That's still sky. I was definitely being driven around and baby, maybe it would be different if you guys were girls. Do you think your mom, for sure. Does she ever wish she had, like.

[A]

Because I feel like she loved that she had boys, but she definitely, like. Yeah, of course she wish she had a daughter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But on top of having two boys.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I. I love having daughters, but I would. I wonder what it'd be like to have boys too.

[A]

I'm sure you want both. It'd probably be fun to have both in the house.

[B]

Yeah, I know. My. My uncle, he tried for a boy six times and then just like. I'm like, that could never be me. Six girls is crazy.

[A]

Six girls. I know girl. I know some of my friends with all girls too.

[B]

Yeah. I. I hear it's the guys. I'm pretty sure it's the guy's fault. The guy's sperm.

[A]

Oh, the guy determines.

[B]

Yeah. The sex. So you might have only girl. Do you want a son one day?

[A]

It don't matter.

[B]

You don't care? You don't want like a little mini.

[A]

For sure. Many. Yeah. Many. Yeah. But it's not gonna. I'm not gonna be picky about it at this age.

[B]

You can pick, though.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You wouldn't do that. You're not that set on having the son.

[A]

I would.

[B]

You would pick?

[A]

I mean, if it comes down to it.

[B]

Well, so you just said, I don't care. But obviously then now you do.

[A]

Yeah, but like, I like choices having a choice too. So if I can.

[B]

I mean, so if you have two daughters, you won't go.

[A]

That's probably when you would do it right there, if you would. I don't trust my sperm is gonna.

[B]

Produce like I do.

[A]

So it's just like.

[B]

Yeah. So you do want A son.

[A]

In that case, I mean. Yeah, you want. Every man wants a son.

[B]

Yeah. You want a little. Do you think. What if he's like really bad at sports? He won't be because you're.

[A]

Then it's my fault. I'll just have to blame me.

[B]

So when you retire, you can just focus on making another little minis. Would you make your daughters basketball players athletic? You don't care what sport? Tennis would be cool.

[A]

Something with a. Something with a basketball. With a ball, though.

[B]

Well, tennis has a ball too, so.

[A]

Volleyball, tennis.

[B]

What doesn't have a ball? Track, swim. You don't want them to be swimmers.

[A]

Well, Michael, tracking swimming is cool. Don't get me wrong. I mean, that's a. You stay.

[B]

Is that harder? I feel like that's harder.

[A]

It definitely. It probably is hard, but it's less of a. It's less of a team thing too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would want the team environment, that camaraderie that comes with that community.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's still a community with other individual sports, but when you out there in the field as a tennis player or I mean as a tracker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or a swimmer, kind of in your own lane a little bit. Right.

[B]

Yeah, I. I always wished that I had a sport because then I wanted friends from it. Like you guys are kind of forced to do everything together and I didn't have anything where like I had a group. Group working on stuff. I don't know. Did it give you friends growing up?

[A]

For sure. Most of my, most of my friends have come from.

[B]

Are you still friends with your childhood friends from. From them those days?

[A]

More like when I was like 17. 18. Not like the 10.

[B]

How old were you when you entered the NBA?

[A]

19.

[B]

You were so young.

[A]

I was 18. 18.

[B]

Is that normal now?

[A]

It is, yeah.

[B]

Do you have 18 year olds on your team?

[A]

No, but we had like 21, 22. Like they. But they've been around for three or four years. So they came in at the same age.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Like you're a veteran, considered a veteran at five years. So now we got veterans at like 23 years old.

[B]

Are there. What. What do veterans get? Is there an advantage?

[A]

It's just like being in a. Being in a professional for five years is a long time.

[B]

How does basketball work? Does your coach tell you what to do or do you come up with it? You don't come up with it.

[A]

I mean, we, we collaborate sometimes, but mainly it's the coach that tells us what to do. We just abide by the system. It's Fun. It's a fun. I mean, it's a fun dynamic because the coach wants you to do well, so she's not gonna put.

[B]

But do you get close with them?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you just started at this one, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is it scary being the new kid?

[A]

This coach that I was with, he. He was an assistant coach on another team I was on, so I kind of knew him already. And then there's a few coaches that I work with before other teams. So it's like familiar faces here.

[B]

You don't get scared like, joining. I don't know. Is it like starting a new school?

[A]

I definitely got nervous last night because that was my first time on a floor.

[B]

Oh, was.

[A]

Yeah. And I know I get nervous when it's hard for me to eat my pregame meal.

[B]

Do you have like a specific pre.

[A]

Game meal, like pasta usually?

[B]

Well, you were just really nervous.

[A]

It was just like I was just anxious to start the game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's kind of hard to eat. And then I settled in a little bit. Once the game started, I was just up and fidgety and like I had. And then I drank coffee too, so I was just like wired. And then once I settled down, I was cool.

[B]

Do you normally play in preseason games?

[A]

Yeah, I try to do everything. Playing every game.

[B]

Oh, do some people try not to or is that.

[A]

Some people don't. I mean, you don't have to, but like. And it's like, not like I.

[B]

But do you just like.

[A]

I just like playing. I want to get as many reps in as possible because I say a repetition matters to me. So as much more comfortable I can get, the easier it's going to be.

[B]

You did a good job. I don't.

[A]

I could be better, though. I'm a.

[B]

You think you could be better than you are right now?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How much better?

[A]

I was just about the consistency. Like, I want to make every shot I shoot. So it's like with that in mind. It's going to be hard to do that every night, but at least I can like fall right underneath that. That's cool though. So, like, if I aim towards not missing or being perfect.

[B]

Who do you look up to as a basketball player? Yeah.

[A]

Michael Jordan, Kobe, probably guys I like. Like, like older guys I look up to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But like, I don't. I feel as though I can still be on that same level with them or I can have. I've experienced the same things they experienced. That's how I look at it.

[B]

How long did they play?

[A]

20 years, 15 years.

[B]

What are you at 19. Oh, you're almost there.

[A]

So, yeah, I can relate to them in some aspects, so. But I respect. Michael Jordan is just like one of the greatest people to ever be created, in my opinion, just for what he did, for just the sport itself.

[B]

It's crazy when you look up, when I look. When you say you look up to them, do you want to be like them?

[A]

I try to emulate them. Not in just, just like in certain situations, I try to see how they handle it, you know what I'm saying? Or look at their journey and see if I'm hitting those same checkpoints they hit. You know, look at them as like a barometer.

[B]

Do you feel like you are?

[A]

Yeah, in my own way, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

How long do you think you could play if you just to play for as long as you could versus when you just give up?

[A]

I feel good right now. 37, so hopefully until I'm 40, like LeBron is showing me that you can play.

[B]

How old is he?

[A]

41. About to be. I think he's about to turn 41 this year.

[B]

I didn't realize you guys were that close in age.

[A]

Yeah, he was a senior in high school when I was a freshman.

[B]

Wow. Did you know of him from when he was.

[A]

Yeah, he was big at that time.

[B]

Because he's been good since.

[A]

He's been on TV since then.

[B]

So have you guys played on the.

[A]

Same team in the Olympics?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You played in the Olympics twice.

[A]

We did.

[B]

I heard you were good there.

[A]

I've been good everywhere.

[B]

Have you been bad anywhere?

[A]

No.

[B]

You're just so good.

[A]

I'm just consistent in what I do.

[B]

I don't know what would make a bad basketball player.

[A]

For me, bad is not making half of my shots.

[B]

Oh, you've never done that?

[A]

I have, but, but for the most part I haven't.

[B]

You try to make over half of.

[A]

The shots you take and then play good defense. Like just be reliable. That's what I want to be where a coach can't take me. Don't have to take me on off the floor. It's to a point where like he feels a need that, like I need to be out there for 48 minutes. We play 48 minute game. I want a coach to feel like I, I, I don't need to take him out the game. But he, I only way I'll take him out the game because I feel like he's tired, not because he's playing bad.

[B]

Oh, was, did you, where were the Olympics? They were Paris. Did you have Fun.

[A]

I had a lot of fun.

[B]

How long were you.

[A]

Almost a month. Like three weeks.

[B]

You play every day when you go?

[A]

No, we only played like six games though, out there. But it was spread out and it was like tournament style. So you lose one, you was done.

[B]

They've only done it twice.

[A]

Go to Olympics.

[B]

Basketball at the Olympics.

[A]

Hell no.

[B]

They've had those forever.

[A]

No. 60s, I think.

[B]

Thought that was new.

[A]

It's all good. You don't know nothing about sports, man. That's right.

[B]

Remember? I don't know enough. I don't know anything about anything.

[A]

You'll open up a new world and be enlightened on a new level. Once you.

[B]

I wanna. I want to understand or be into sports. I think that would be a fun.

[A]

You know what you need to do? Like history.

[B]

What do you mean, like history?

[A]

Like history. Like learning about older. That happened in the past.

[B]

Yeah. Well, you want me to read some basketball history lessons?

[A]

If you. If you. Your kids like basketball?

[B]

They like to. Yeah. Play with the basketball.

[A]

Then you. Interviewing a basketball player. You've been to a basketball game. It's forming. It's happening.

[B]

What book do you recommend?

[A]

I'm not recommending a book.

[B]

Well, you said read history.

[A]

You need to watch first.

[B]

I have to watch old games?

[A]

No, you need to watch more games. Like last night.

[B]

Yeah, I need to learn the rules of the game first. I was a little confused.

[A]

You just need to. You just need to learn to enjoy seeing the ball go through the ring.

[B]

That's what I. That's what I like about it.

[A]

Then you'll learn the rules through that. You'll learn the rules on your own.

[B]

Yeah, that's why I. The only sport I'll actually sit down and pay attention to is basketball.

[A]

It's a nice pace to it. That's why.

[B]

And football, that's too broken up. It's like there's so many players, too much strategy. Yeah. I don't know what. There's so many rules to it.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm still learning football rules.

[B]

Do you. You don't follow any teams or anything?

[A]

I follow. I follow football heavily. I've been a huge football fan since I was a kid.

[B]

Do you bet on stuff?

[A]

No, I'm not really into the betting. I play more fantasy football, though.

[B]

Oh, that's betting, isn't that?

[A]

No, it's for free. No, it's just like for fun.

[B]

Just pick who you think is.

[A]

Just. Just talk.

[B]

I'm just gonna make sure. I asked all my questions.

[A]

We talked to. We having a. I think I got.

[B]

All of my qu. There's nothing here that I. Oh, wait. There's a third page.

[A]

Wow. You can't prepare three pages.

[B]

My gosh. I'm just a professional. I. I just need your signature on the release for this before you go.

[A]

Can I do that now?

[B]

Yeah, it's just a. Just a signature on the release for this episode because, you know, I can't post it unless you just. Release.

[A]

That's the release right there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Don't worry about it. Just sign. You can have the Sharpie that says, has the Houston Rockets on it for no reason. Yeah, just send anywhere.

[A]

You bought the Houston Rockets? Selfie is crazy, huh? You bought a Houston Rocket selfie?

[B]

No, you know, it came with the. With the. The paper that I bought.

[A]

That's so sweet.

[B]

Anywhere on here? It'll be fine.

[A]

Do you even know?

[B]

Do I know what?

[A]

Anything about the Houston Rockets before last night.

[B]

No. Just a couple more signatures.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

There's just a few, anyway.

[A]

Your kids?

[B]

Yeah. One of them is. One's for Lexi's dad.

[A]

Hey. Lexi couldn't ask me.

[B]

I just felt like it'd be better if I.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

I'm glad you're okay with signing all of these jerseys.

[A]

Your dad likes basketball.

[B]

He was very excited to get old.

[A]

That was crazy.

[B]

Did you say that he's old?

[A]

That's the first thing you say. Seems young to me. If you like basketball.

[B]

I've never interviewed someone and had people request anything of them.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I spent a lot of time deciding how to ask you to get these.

[A]

Signed, and then you just end up just.

[B]

And then I just asked, what do you do? You know. What'd you say?

[A]

Lying again.

[B]

No, I swear to you, I thought a lot. Like, you can ask Lexi, which I don't think you actually care about what she says. You think she's a liar, too? Probably. But. But we. I was like, how do I ask you for that? That feels embarrassing, like, to ask someone for. But then I was like, maybe not. So then yesterday, I went to the little gift shop, and then they told you. They told you I bought them. That's so embarrassing.

[A]

No, they just told me you went to the gift shop. So I just. I just thought that you.

[B]

Okay, yeah. I spent.

[A]

Like, I thought maybe you bought a T shirt or something just for your kids or for you. No, but I didn't know you was coming. With a whole.

[B]

No, no, no. With like, five.

[A]

You bought the whole rack.

[B]

No, they had to call someone to.

[A]

Bring more, which is crazy.

[B]

Yeah, they're very expensive. Yeah. Do you know they're like 160 each.

[A]

They should be more really, you know who's on the name or the back of that?

[B]

Do they sell? Are yours more expensive than the other people's? I should have got somebody else's name.

[A]

I don't know. That's. I'm sure it's a little bit more expensive.

[B]

Do you think so? Are you the best? Is it? Well, now they. It really is. I've increased the demand. They're gonna start stalking. 20 extra larges.

[A]

Exactly. They said, oh, this girl came in and bought the whole rack.

[B]

That might be a regular occurrence.

[A]

Not even from here. Bet we gotta add some more. We got imports coming and buying up.

[B]

All the Katie the Kitty shirts. I. I wish they had like sleeves. I don't like that. They're like cut off.

[A]

They do have sleeves. T shirts. They have T shirts.

[B]

Yeah, but then it's not the same.

[A]

Yeah, but it's still like a jersey.

[B]

Yeah, but also I was thinking not to increase your ego anymore. I was like, I'm not gonna wear this. I'm gonna frame it so that doesn't need.

[A]

I mean, knowing that you're gonna frame this in your house could actually boost my ego too.

[B]

Yeah, well, don't let it. If you ever see it in the.

[A]

Background of something, it's definitely gonna give me a boost.

[B]

Yeah. Do you wanna. Where do you buy a frame for these?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You've never done that.

[A]

I have, but I don't. I don't. I have somebody else do it for me. So maybe you can call one like this.

[B]

Do you get mad when people ask you to sign things? Does that bother you?

[A]

It's a little piece of meat that they're taking with them.

[B]

That's a cute way to say to look at it. I think that people are going to find you endearing after this.

[A]

They've been found me that way. It's not because of this interview.

[B]

No, but the people who don't. They might also.

[A]

You say you have people who don't know me that watch you, that don't.

[B]

Know you that well. I feel like I. I can't be the only one who just knew of you. Just like basketball player. That's what I had in my head.

[A]

You are probably, what?

[B]

The most uneducated in the world. Okay. You think people just know about you. You think everyone in this world knows everything about you.

[A]

Every single thing.

[B]

Okay, well then you don't need your ego boosted anymore. I'm gonna throw these away, so I'll donate them to the homeless shelter.

[A]

Well, Lexi's dad is gonna be pissed.

[B]

I'm gonna tell him that he did not need his ego boosted anymore.

[A]

Well, I already told me. Too late.

[B]

I'm taking it back. Well, thank you so much for sitting here. Is there anything you'd want to say?

[A]

Thank you for coming to Houston, watching the game anytime. Investing in the brand. By buying my jersey.

[B]

Always. I'm happy to put money in your pockets.

[A]

Let me use your platform to show how endearing I am to a bunch of people who don't really know me.

[B]

I'm sure it helps you zero so I appreciate. I did. I wasn't asking for a thank you, but it felt.

[A]

No, I'm just.

[B]

I felt a little bit disingenuous.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

After I did this in the first place.

[B]

Yeah. No, but your thank you felt like a little.

[A]

You know, you didn't know if it was genuine or not?

[B]

No. Is it?

[A]

See, that's the. That's the good thing about just how I am.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just confused.

[B]

I. I am still confused.

[A]

But thank you.

[B]

You're. I. You're so welcome. Thank you. I love basketball games now, so I'll make sure to go to more.

[A]

All right.

[B]

All right. Get out of here.

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