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Podcast Summary - Not This Again with Bobbi Althoff

Episode: Shakur Stevenson: "Successful people are delusional"
Date: February 18, 2026
Host: Bobbi Althoff
Guest: Shakur Stevenson (professional boxer)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an engaging, humorous, and occasionally awkward conversation between Bobbi Althoff and boxing champion Shakur Stevenson. They discuss Stevenson's boxing career, mindset, rivalry with Teófimo López, approach to risk and self-belief, money, and the nature of success. The episode also features a playful in-studio boxing challenge between Bobbi and Shakur, which adds levity and a touch of realness to the dialogue.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Background and Current Focus

• Living Arrangements and Training ([00:46]):

  • Shakur is currently staying at his manager's house with his coach: "We've been kind of just isolated and all been focused on one goal." — Shakur ([00:56])
  • The goal? "Whoop to ass." — Shakur ([01:06])

• Rivalry with Teófimo López

  • Bobbi asks about their history and why Shakur wants the fight:
    • “I always knew it was a part of my destiny…when you go to tournaments and you win tournaments and dominate and then he win tournaments and dominate, you always imagine yourself in the ring with that guy.” — Shakur ([01:31])
  • On their current relationship: “He a cool person, but, like, right now, it’s my life or his life.” ([01:59])

Boxing’s Serious Risks and Mindset

• Boxing’s Dangers ([02:07]):

  • Shakur describes real fatal risks in boxing, referencing deaths in the sport: “It’s a bunch of people that died in the box… I pray both of us make it home to our families and we have a safe night tonight, but let’s kick ass.” ([02:35])

• Weight Classes and Risks Taken ([03:38], [03:44]):

  • Shakur is moving up to López’s weight class for the fight: “I’m jumping up to his weight class. This is my first time fighting at this weight class.”
  • On whether this is smart: “No, it is very dumb.”

• Invincibility and Loss ([03:54], [04:01]):

  • Shakur claims he’s never lost as a professional.

Self-Belief, Confidence, and Delusion

• Men, Ego, and “Best in the World” ([05:10], [06:28]):

  • Bobbi questions why successful men see themselves as unrivaled. Shakur insists he’s “the best in this world.”
  • Even when faced with fighting much larger boxers, Shakur says: “There’s a chance that I could win. If you got 1% chance, that’s enough for me.” ([06:41])

• Delusional Confidence ([06:26], [32:59]):

  • Bobbi: “That feels delusional. Do you know? I think that’s what it may be men have. They’re just very delusional.”
  • Shakur wholeheartedly agrees: “Most people on the planet that is, like, big and making a lot of money and successful are delusional. They deluded their brains into believing that they can be successful. So that’s how they are successful.” ([33:01])

Money, Betting, and Financial Attitudes

• Fight Earnings & Gambling ([08:18]):

  • Shakur is cagey about his biggest fight purse, answering only: “The most I ever made on a fight was a lot of money…”
  • On sports betting: “I’m a cheap guy… I’ll be making probably like 20k off a bet.” ([09:14])
  • He mainly bets on boxing, sometimes leveraging insider knowledge: “If I know them and I seen them… we’re going to go bet the plus 500 on this guy…” ([10:36])

• “Throwing a Fight” & Ethics ([11:15]):

  • Bobbi asks if he could bet on himself to lose: “Oh, that’s against the law for sure. I’m 1000% sure that’s against the law.” — Shakur ([11:17])

In-Studio Boxing Challenge

• Setting the Terms ([16:01]-[20:24]):

  • The pair negotiate a bet: if Bobbi can land a punch on Shakur’s head in 20 minutes, she wins $20,000; if not, he gets $500.
    • Shakur: “Only way you win if you land one punch on my face.” ([16:31])
    • Bobbi: “$100,000.”
      Shakur: “100K. Oh my God. That is a lot.” ([16:39])
    • They compromise to $20k for the challenge.

• Challenge Results and Reactions ([21:00]-[22:54])

  • Bobbi is winded and overwhelmed after trying to hit Shakur: “That was the most I’ve worked out in probably a year.” ([23:26])
  • Shakur claims she did well: "From what I just seen, you tough." ([25:23])

Personal Life & Balancing Boxing

• Family ([13:31], [13:59])

  • Met fiancée through his manager; she’s 25, and they have a 4-year-old daughter.

• Taking Risks

  • Bobbi presses on the contradiction between confidence and risk: “How can you say I’m 100% going to win and it’s also a risk?” ([13:04])
  • Shakur: “When you put the work in and you believe in yourself… It is a risk because you know that you’re fighting somebody that thinks the same as you. So we get two guys that think the same thing and they get in a ring, somebody gotta lose.” ([13:12])

Reflections on Success, Fame, and Self-Perception

• On Undefeated Boxers ([27:18]):
  • Bobbi questions why everyone claims to be undefeated. Shakur: “It’s only a few that’s undefeated.”
• Greatest of All Time? ([28:14]-[28:48])
  • Shakur insists: “Me.” (on being the best boxer ever)
  • He pays respect to Ali and Mayweather: “Would never disrespect the goat like that… he’s a goat.”
• Attractiveness & Vanity ([35:23]):
  • Rates himself a 10/10: “I’m probably like top. I’m top one… That’s what I think.” — Shakur ([35:59])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Every time I get in a boxing ring and I go pray, I always say this. I get on my knees and I say, I pray both of us make it home to our families, and we have a safe night tonight, but let’s kick ass.” — Shakur ([02:35])
• “If you got 1% chance, that’s enough for me.” — Shakur ([06:41])
• “Most people on the planet…are delusional. They deluded their brains into believing that they can be successful. So that’s how they are successful.” — Shakur ([33:01])
• “The only person that could beat me is me.” — Shakur ([28:01])
• “What amount of money is not a lot of money? Like a thousand dollars. After that, it’s like I now stretching it.” — Shakur ([17:58])

Comic Exchanges:

• Bobbi: “Were you trained by the FBI to not be able to tell people things?”
  Shakur: “Yeah, you gotta keep certain things away from your opponents.” ([08:10])
• On what he’d be doing if he wasn’t boxing: “I just know for a fact that I'm gonna get to some money regardless.” — Shakur ([12:45], [33:49])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro & Housekeeping: [00:20]
• Meet Shakur Stevenson / Training Camp & Destiny Fight: [00:46]–[02:06]
• Boxing Dangers & Prayer Rituals: [02:06]–[03:14]
• On Weight, Risk, and Moving Up: [03:36]–[04:09]
• Never Losing & Self-Perception: [04:50]–[05:10]
• Confidence vs. Delusion: [06:26]–[07:12]
• Fight Purses & Gambling: [08:18]–[10:43]
• Boxing Ethics, Throwing Fights, and Logic: [10:43]–[13:10]
• Personal Life (Fiancée, Daughter, Family): [13:31]–[14:07]
• Boxing Challenge Negotiations & Bet: [16:01]–[20:24]
• Challenge Recap & Physical Toll: [21:00]–[25:40]
• Boxing Family, Daughter at Fights: [26:07]–[26:51]
• Greatest Boxer Conversation: [28:14]–[29:02]
• Paul Brothers/YouTuber Boxing: [29:41]–[30:43]
• Shakur’s Dream Opponent & Mindset: [31:01]–[32:32]
• Delusional Thinking and Success: [32:59]–[33:14]
• Self-Esteem & Vanity: [35:23]–[36:01]

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Tone and Style

The episode matches Bobbi’s trademark quirky, awkwardly funny, and sometimes antagonistically playful interview style. Shakur’s candidness, confidence, and quick wit create a natural, bantering chemistry with the host. Their conversation oscillates between light teasing and more reflective moments about success, ego, and the real stakes in professional boxing.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed this episode, expect a playful but real discussion of what it means to dream big and back it up with hard work—peppered with banter, bravado, and a dose of honesty about risk, self-delusion, and why even the best need to believe they're unbeatable.
The in-studio challenge is both hilarious and revealing, offering insight not only into the world of boxing, but also the mindset of a true champion.

Transcript

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[B]

You say it right.

[A]

Do you have, like, a house down here?

[B]

Nah, I'm staying at my manager's house. It's like a big ass firehouse.

[A]

That's cool. Do you have your own room?

[B]

Yeah. Come on.

[A]

That's. That's really fun.

[B]

Yeah, but it's more like just me, him, and my coach in there. Like, we've been kind of just isolated and all been focused on one goal.

[A]

What's the goal?

[B]

Whoop to ass.

[A]

Were you ever friends with To?

[B]

Yeah, I was friends with him.

[A]

You were like, how close?

[B]

We wasn't, like, super close, but, like, me and him came up together and, like, we won some of the same tournaments I've been rooting for him to win in several different occasions, and he's been doing the same. So right now, it's just like a destiny fight.

[A]

How did you choose to fight him?

[B]

I always knew it was a part of my destiny. Like, I knew that he was the guy and I was the guy. And when you go to tournaments and you win tournaments and dominate and then he win tournaments and dominate, you always imagine, like, yourself in the ring with that guy. So I. I knew it was a time that it was gonna come in. Now we about to ring.

[A]

So now you don't like each other?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I don't. I definitely don't like him right now.

[A]

Is that a lie, though? You can tell me the truth. I'll cut it.

[B]

Do I like him now? I mean, he a cool person, but, like, right now, it's my life or his life.

[A]

Well, you're not gonna die, are you?

[B]

We can.

[A]

No. You. Has that ever happened? Somebody's died. Really?

[B]

It's a bunch of people that died in the box. Oh, it's a guy from Ukraine. I forget his name.

[A]

It's, like, died.

[B]

Yes. And another guy from New York named Patrick Day. He fought Charles Conwell, one of my homies.

[A]

And Charles killed him.

[B]

Yeah. For real?

[A]

Like, have you ever Killed somebody?

[B]

No, I ain't never kidding.

[A]

Oh, I hope that stays like that. I don't want to die.

[B]

I don't want him to die either, and I don't want myself to. I see, like, every. Yo, it's crazy that. That you saying this every time. I get in a boxing ring and I go pray, I always say this. I get on my knees and I say, I pray both of us make it home to our families, and we have a safe night tonight, but let's kick ass.

[A]

That's terrifying.

[B]

I mean, it's part of boxing. Sometimes it's kill or be killed.

[A]

Yeah. Don't the referees stop you from killing each other, though? Maybe a little bit sometimes.

[B]

But it's like some people get hit with certain shots that'll mess your brain up. Or you may get hit in the back of the head or something.

[A]

Wear a helmet.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because it's professional boxing.

[A]

I'm going to talk to somebody about that. You shouldn't be allowed.

[B]

You should.

[A]

You think you should wear helmets?

[B]

Nah, that's for the images.

[A]

For the what?

[B]

Amateurs.

[A]

You're not one.

[B]

I'm professional.

[A]

Is Tio little like you?

[B]

Are he probably a little bit bigger than me? He is bigger than me, yeah.

[A]

You can fight people that are bigger than you.

[B]

I'm jumping up to his weight class. This is my first time fighting at this weight class.

[A]

Is that smart of you?

[B]

No, it is very dumb.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

At the end of the day, I.

[A]

Hope you don't lose.

[B]

I'm not gonna lose.

[A]

That's embarrassing.

[B]

But I'm not scared. I'm. Have you lost it all on the line? No.

[A]

Ever?

[B]

No.

[A]

Not one time?

[B]

No.

[A]

In your whole career, you've never lost a match? That's. That's crazy.

[B]

In the images, as a professional, I.

[A]

Never lost as an amateur. Yes, you lost to someone that wasn't that good.

[B]

No, I just didn't work as hard as I.

[A]

How old were you?

[B]

I was 18.

[A]

How old are you now?

[B]

28.

[A]

That's so young. How old is Tio?

[B]

Tio should be 28, too.

[A]

What's his last name?

[B]

Lopez.

[A]

What do you call him? You keep calling him something else.

[B]

Tiafimo.

[A]

Tia. Female.

[B]

Female.

[A]

Female, yes. Tia Female.

[B]

Tia Female.

[A]

Does he call himself that or you just call him that now?

[B]

That's my nickname for him.

[A]

Tia Female. That's. That's not nice.

[B]

I mean, you know, sometimes you got to give people nicknames.

[A]

Okay. Who's a better fighter than you?

[B]

Nobody.

[A]

Let's be honest.

[B]

I'm very Honest.

[A]

What about that guy right now? That one that just beat Logan? Paul, Is he better than you? Is he even a boxer?

[B]

Paul Anthony Joshua.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Is he better than you?

[B]

With all due respect, he's a great boxer.

[A]

You think you're better than him? Why is it that all men think they're the best at what they do? You know, they always say that I'm.

[B]

The best in this world.

[A]

I could confidently tell you I'm not like, the best at anything I do in this world. But you and every man that has ever succeeded all says I'm the best at what I do. You think Anthony is a worse fighter than you?

[B]

Yeah, he's a worse fighter than me, and he's a hell of a fighter.

[A]

Thing about boxing, but he's bigger than you. Yeah, I can tell you right now, I think he's better than you. He's bigger than you. You don't think that makes him.

[B]

That don't mean that he's better than me. Like, his.

[A]

He could just, like, flick you.

[B]

He probably can. I. I won't say that I could beat him. I don't.

[A]

Oh, so you would lose? Well, then why don't you fight him? I think that we should get rid of Tio.

[B]

You gotta understand, he's £150 bigger than me.

[A]

Yeah, I do understand. That's why I'm saying. You could just say, like, he's. He's better than you.

[B]

No, he's not better than me, but I. Bigger than me. That does not mean he's better.

[A]

So then fight him.

[B]

I will.

[A]

You will? In your life.

[B]

No, if. If somebody set it up and they say, oh, you getting paid X amount of money?

[A]

Yeah, you would?

[B]

Yeah, I will.

[A]

I hope that gets set up.

[B]

You want to see me get beat up?

[A]

So you think you'd lose? That makes him better than you?

[B]

I don't think I would lose.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think I would win.

[A]

That feels delusional. Do you know? I think that's what it may be men have. They're just very delusional.

[B]

But it's a chance that I could win.

[A]

Yeah, there's a chance that, like, there's. There's a chance that a lot of things could happen.

[B]

But if you got 1% chance, that's enough for me.

[A]

A 1% chance.

[B]

Okay, you gotta understand my logic, right?

[A]

Let's. Let's hear your logic.

[B]

There's a logic to this, okay? If, you know, he's big and he's slow.

[A]

He's slow.

[B]

Yes. £50, you gotta be Way slower than the guys that I fight.

[A]

How tall is he?

[B]

Probably like 6:3, I'm guessing.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And you're like.

[B]

And then he gotta punch down at me with them slow punches.

[A]

You're five, four, five, eight. Five, five, eight, six, three.

[B]

How tall are you?

[A]

Five six. Almost the same height.

[B]

No, you're not.

[A]

Oh, so this is a fair fight right here. How much do you weigh?

[B]

I can't tell you my weight right now. I gotta keep it secluded.

[A]

No, but you don't. You weigh in before it.

[B]

Yeah, I do. I fight at 140.

[A]

Well, right now, how much does tioa.

[B]

I don't know how much he weighs right now, but we fighting at 140.

[A]

So you both just have to be 140.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. And how are you below it?

[B]

Is that what?

[A]

Are you below 140?

[B]

Maybe, maybe not. I can't tell nobody.

[A]

Are you above it? You're not above it. You don't look like you're above.

[B]

You don't think I look.

[A]

I think you're like 120.

[B]

I'm a big man.

[A]

I think we're the same. Wait, I'm 120. I think you're 120.

[B]

I'm at least. Can't tell you.

[A]

Were you trained by the FBI to not be able to tell people things?

[B]

Yeah, you gotta keep certain things.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Away from your opponents.

[A]

How much is the most you've ever made on a fight?

[B]

How much is the most I ever made on a fight? The most I ever made on a fight was, was a lot of money.

[A]

Great. Thank you for answering that. I appreciate it.

[B]

A lot of money.

[A]

Yeah. That was great answer.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

10 out of 10.

[B]

I, I, I thought it was the best answer. I said all day.

[A]

Over or under 10 million.

[B]

I thought it was the best answer. I said all day.

[A]

Over or under 10.

[B]

You like my answer?

[A]

No, and I want you to answer this one. Over. Under 10.

[B]

Over or under 10 million. That when you do over and unders, that's part of like, like betting and gambling.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

I bet the over all the time.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

H, do you Sports butt?

[B]

Sometimes, yeah.

[A]

How much money do you spend on sports?

[B]

B. Oh, I'm, I'm a cheap guy, so I might, you know, I'll be making probably like 20k off a bet.

[A]

Oh, so cheap.

[B]

Yeah, cheap.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I know. People really make like hundred thousands off of their bets.

[A]

How much are you betting to make? 20k.

[B]

I do smart bets, so I may throw five in on one guy.

[A]

$5?

[B]

No. 5,000.

[A]

Okay, well that's crazy.

[B]

And then another five on another guy. And then another five on another Guy. I usually win though, because I only bet boxing.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I don't bet nothing else.

[A]

Does boxing happen?

[B]

Probably like twice a month.

[A]

I'm gonna bet on your fight.

[B]

You should. You'll. Okay, but I'm the favorite, so you probably not gonna make.

[A]

Well, no, I'm not gonna bet on you.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can you bet me?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Can you bet me?

[A]

No, I'm trying to make money.

[B]

You're not gonna make no money.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because if you don't bet on me, you're gonna lose, guaranteed.

[A]

What do you bet on?

[B]

What app you could bet on? DraftKings. I got a bet person that I go to and me, what is that?

[A]

Like a real life person you bring your 20k to and you're like, wait a minute, I just realized you said you made 20k off of betting 5k on this person, but you'd lost. I was like, that added to more 5Ks than no.

[B]

Sometimes when guys is like the underdogs and you know them, like, here's like how I bet.

[A]

Oh, that's. I. Is it illegal that you bet on boxing?

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

You're a boxer, so you know them.

[B]

That's like basketball.

[A]

Oh, that doesn't apply to.

[B]

No, that don't apply. But once again, like say I know a guy and I see a guy in the gym and I'm like, oh, he's a good fighter and then he's fighting somebody and then he's the underdog. If I know them and I seen them. Oh yeah, we're going to go bet the plus 500 on this guy and if we bet 5,000, we gonna make a ton of money. Cuz he was doing that.

[A]

Why don't you bet like $5 million on you losing and then lose?

[B]

Oh, that, that's against the.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Well, that's against the loss for sure. I'm 1000% sure that's against the law.

[A]

And then what are you going to do if you lose? You're going to pay me?

[B]

I'm not going to lose if you do though. I'm not going to lose if, if I lose, if doesn't happen in my brain, so I don't know how to answer the question. I want to comprehend it.

[A]

Wire my brain to think like a man. That's all I'm gonna do. That's my goal in 2026. Rewire my brain to think like a man. Because If I. Maybe if I woke up and I.

[B]

Said, I'm not gonna lose, you're going to win, guaranteed.

[A]

Okay, well then I'm gonna.

[B]

There is no question that you will win. If you wake up and be like, I'm gonna win today, there's no way you can lose.

[A]

Yeah, okay, I'll try that out. Would you be doing right now if you weren't a boxer?

[B]

What would I be doing if I wasn't a boxer?

[A]

I would not not be a boxer. Is that what you're gonna say?

[B]

No, no. If I wasn't a boxer, I probably will be. I don't want to say nothing crazy.

[A]

Like what? Like a. The what. What Crazy? How crazy are you thinking?

[B]

I'll be getting to some money.

[A]

Oh, like a drug dealer? Would you be one?

[B]

I don't think I would because that's not like what I'm into.

[A]

What other kind of things could make you a lot of money? That would be crazy.

[B]

I just know for a fact that I'm going to get to some money regardless.

[A]

Okay. Like a, Like a bank robber type of money?

[B]

No, I wouldn't rob no bank. I. I don't take. I take calculated risks. I don't take stupid risk.

[A]

Okay, is. Is this fight that you're taking a risk?

[B]

Yes. Is a very.

[A]

Well, how can it. How can you say I'm 100% going to win and it's also a risk?

[B]

Because that's not.

[A]

Then you're not 100% sure you're going to win.

[B]

Yes, you are. When you put the work in and you believe in yourself. No, it is a risk because you know that you're fighting somebody that thinks the same as you. So we get two guys that think the same thing and they get in a ring, somebody gotta lose.

[A]

You're engaged, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did you meet her?

[B]

I met her through my manager son.

[A]

Oh, your manager just gives you a house to live, a wife so much. Yeah, he's the goat gift that keeps.

[B]

Giving and he's the goat.

[A]

Is she your age?

[B]

She's a little bit younger than me.

[A]

How much?

[B]

She's 25.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, they're gonna say like 20. That's good. She's 25. And you guys have a child?

[B]

Yeah, we got a child.

[A]

How old is your child?

[B]

My child is full. She just turned four last month.

[A]

Oh, how cute.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Happy birthday.

[B]

Thank you. You're gonna get in a ring with me today?

[A]

Yeah, but you're gonna be nice.

[B]

Who me?

[A]

Who you?

[B]

Why would I be nice?

[A]

Cuz you don't wanna be the person who killed me.

[B]

I wouldn't kill you, but.

[A]

Or knocked me out. Don't knock me out. Those are the rules. That's our. That's our ground rules.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

Sure?

[B]

Are you sure that I can't knock you out?

[A]

No, I. I know you could, but I'm not allowing it.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

Because that's crazy. I don't want to get knocked out.

[B]

Everybody gotta enjoy the experience one day.

[A]

That's not you. You haven't. Then let me knock you out.

[B]

I would try to, but I don't think you punch hard enough.

[A]

That's how you knock people out. You punch them in their head.

[B]

You got to hit them in the right spot of their head. You may got a spot on your chin that may do. It may be a spot up top that may do it on your temple.

[A]

You just hit that part and it'll knock them out.

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

Yeah, that's kind of cool.

[B]

But if some people got better chins than others, like they do you have.

[A]

A good chin or a bad gin?

[B]

Oh, I got a great chin.

[A]

Do you have a good temple or a bad temple?

[B]

I got a great team.

[A]

Where am I supposed to hit you to knock you out? Can I use stuff like weapons? Can I?

[B]

There will never be a day in life where you can knock me out.

[A]

H. Okay.

[B]

Never, Right?

[A]

But okay.

[B]

I don't think you can knock anybody out.

[A]

Not a single person on the planet. Not one person, smallest, littlest person could not do it.

[B]

I don't think you could. I don't think that you can be a teenage boy in a fight.

[A]

If somebody came up to me and was trying to like. I'm trying to get. I'm going to like bite them good. Okay, that's different. I'm not going to. That's weird that I would not bite you. Why not stick my fingers in your eyeballs?

[B]

I feel like that's what you should do.

[A]

No, you do. You do that when you fight.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

Okay, exactly. That's what we're not going to do in here. So now I'm setting the ground rules.

[B]

No, no knockouts.

[A]

No knockouts. No head. No head. Anything head. No hitting heads.

[B]

So I can't jab you?

[A]

No.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Cuz I said so.

[B]

So can you jab me?

[A]

Yeah, I can do whatever I want. You can do whatever I want you to do. So that's. No, nothing here. You could. You could hit my arms. Okay, I'm drawing the line right there. You can hit my arms.

[B]

I Like this deal.

[A]

Okay. And what if I. How do you win this game that we're about to play?

[B]

Only way you win if you land one punch on my face.

[A]

What do I win?

[B]

I don't know. What you want to win?

[A]

$100,000.

[B]

100K. Oh my God. That is a lot.

[A]

Well, you said that's impossible, so that's. And. And if I.

[B]

So what. What do. What happens if I win?

[A]

You win $100.

[B]

100K to $100. I.

[A]

You have a lot more money than I do. I think it has to be like.

[B]

I don't like these odds.

[A]

I. I do.

[B]

I don't think this is good odds. I'll take calculated.

[A]

It's got. You're in your head. There's a zero percent chance I hit your head. So then you're gonna win a hundred dollars. That's nice. That's like a. That's like a dinner.

[B]

Yeah, but 100.

[A]

Buying your dinner.

[B]

100K to a hundred dollars is like.

[A]

You're not. In what world do you think I'm actually gonna make.

[B]

What about a thousand?

[A]

Okay. No. Because I'm gonna lose. No, that's not. That's not fair. A hundred dollars to 100,000. That's. I think that's very fair.

[B]

I like a TH000 to 100K.

[A]

100 to 20,000. What amount of money is not a lot of money to you?

[B]

500 to 20,000.

[A]

Fine. But now answer my question. What amount of money is not a lot of money to you?

[B]

What amount of money is not a lot of money?

[A]

Yeah, like what amount of money? If I was like, oh, you owe. This is not. Is not a lot.

[B]

Like a thousand dollars.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

After that it's like I now stretching it.

[A]

Yeah. Then give me. Definitely give me 20k if I get a shot to your head right now.

[B]

And then I want my 500 if you don't.

[A]

That's annoying because 500 and I want.

[B]

My 500 on the spot.

[A]

Where? What, is there a bank in here? Is there like an ATM machine?

[B]

We can go at the.

[A]

Great.

[B]

I'll follow you.

[A]

How long? Okay, fine. How long do we have?

[B]

It's up to you. However many minutes you need to try to hit me.

[A]

20 minutes. Just get one shot at your head and I get $20,000?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Swear.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No. Swear. Swear.

[B]

I don't do no swearing.

[A]

I. I swear.

[B]

You swear what?

[A]

That I'll give you 500 if I can't get one punch to your head.

[B]

You're not going to get one punch to my head.

[A]

So then swear.

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Are you telling me you're gonna give me my 500?

[A]

Yes, if I.

[B]

And how long are we going for?

[A]

20 minutes.

[B]

20 minutes.

[A]

Is that a long time or is that. That's too long.

[B]

Oh, that's way too long. You're gonna get tired.

[A]

15 minutes.

[B]

You're gonna get tired.

[A]

10 minutes. That feels like not enough time.

[B]

Okay, 10 minutes. The deal is two punches to my head now.

[A]

No, no, that's not fair. You can't keep adding things.

[B]

I'm a massive negotiator.

[A]

I don't want to negotiate.

[B]

You gotta negotiate.

[A]

Fine. You already did. I wanted 100K. You're gonna do 20. 20K? If I can get two. Two punches. Okay, then 20 minutes.

[B]

20. Okay, 20 minutes is good. Oh, okay.

[A]

Here you go.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

Teach me how to hit first.

[B]

No, teach me. I did.

[A]

One more. You are really understood. Hey, guys.

[B]

You know what, though?

[A]

Because you changed it originally, I just had to do it once. My hands smell so disgusting. Never smelled anything like this. One time he punched me in my stomach so hard that I like swear it knocked the wind out of me. That's why the whole rest of the time I was like, that hurts so bad, Austin. I didn't think it could possibly like, I was like, the rest of the time I was like trying to catch my breath from it.

[B]

I throw a push. She caught me in a dumb ass jack. You a see it? Yeah, she. She started doing like this the whole time.

[A]

I'm not going to actually give him $500, but I would have demanded 20k out of him after if I won. You were only supposed to hit my arms. You did.

[B]

No, I only hit your arms.

[A]

No, play the tape back.

[B]

Did I hit you?

[A]

You hit me in my stomach.

[B]

I didn't mean to do it.

[A]

But you did. Now that's at least $2,000 in damages. You're not a fair fighter. That's what I've learned ahead of your fight.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. I can't deny that.

[A]

Really? You're not fair.

[B]

I mean, I try to be, but, you know, as I came up, people was dirty.

[A]

So you're dirty. I know that was dirty because I'm telling you, you hit me like right here at one point and I was like, I think I'm gonna die.

[B]

I didn't put nothing on it.

[A]

I just like, you did.

[B]

I did it.

[A]

Maybe it's nothing to you. I'm sure it's nothing to you. I, on the other hand, was like, wow, that was Crazy. And then the rest of the time I kept my hand there because I was like, there's no way I'm gonna.

[B]

Is your stomach okay?

[A]

I'm. I'm fine.

[B]

Okay. Do we need to get you a medic or.

[A]

No, we need to get me $20,000.

[B]

20,000?

[A]

Maybe I did hit your head. Did you think I was going to?

[B]

I. No, I did not think you was really, But I had to. That's why I said two to make it like, just in case that's.

[A]

You said you're a safe.

[B]

Yeah, I had to do a somewhere, so. I told you I'm really smart, So.

[A]

Good.

[B]

You tired?

[A]

Tired? Yeah. No, I. That was the most I've worked out in probably a year.

[B]

God damn. 15 minutes.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. No, it's a lie, but definitely this year. And I swear that's. I washed my hands for so long and I can still smell the gloves and I don't know what to do.

[B]

Yeah, that's boxing, though.

[A]

So you just smell like that all the time?

[B]

Hell no. You gotta go home and shower. Like, with what?

[A]

Like bleach?

[B]

I mean, you can if you want to.

[A]

I feel like I needed to like, clean my hands and in Lysol now.

[B]

You gotta get some hand sanitizer for right now. Then when you get home, you gotta really start scrub. Scrubbing. Te.

[A]

Yeah, I guess I didn't scrub hard enough. I didn't. I didn't think it would stay like. What is. Is it in my body now like that?

[B]

It's older. Yeah.

[A]

That's disgusting.

[B]

It is.

[A]

That's actually so gross.

[B]

It is, I agree.

[A]

Do you smell like that always? What is that smell? Just sweat. Yeah, it's like when you sweat everywhere here now too. Oh, that's so gross.

[B]

No, you only smelling it cuz you got your hands to your face.

[A]

I like clean my whole arm too, in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm sweating. I never sweat.

[B]

Yeah, you like overly sweat until I see it.

[A]

You're sweating too. You're in your rag in your armpit. So don't. Don't make fun of me. It's crazy because I just pulled the next card was like, what's the biggest lie you told yourself in life? And you lie all the time, so.

[B]

Nah, I tell the truth. I'll let you hit me.

[A]

You let me hit you. That's the truth?

[B]

Yeah, that's the truth.

[A]

I don't believe you.

[B]

Now. I kind of gave you a little punch.

[A]

No, you did not let me hit you.

[B]

I did.

[A]

No, you didn't. You Were surprised afterward. You were like, no, she kind of did.

[B]

That's why I ain't let you hit me again.

[A]

It wasn't up to you.

[B]

It was.

[A]

I gave up if I didn't give up.

[B]

You ain't give up. I think you tough. From what I just seen, you tough.

[A]

Oh, I don't think so.

[B]

You could have been quick.

[A]

I really wanted to win, but clearly not bad enough, because that sucked.

[B]

That was good. I think you did really good. Yeah.

[A]

That was exhausting. I don't know how you do that. How long do you fight for?

[B]

In fights, it's 12 rounds.

[A]

12 rounds?

[B]

Three minutes.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

36 minutes all together.

[A]

Oh, that's. Oh, my God. In a row? Yeah, it's 36 minutes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you have other people that go before you or something?

[B]

Yeah, there's a bunch of people that fight before me. I told you to come. Come to the fight. Yeah, it's a lot of chairs. This is gonna be a big event to New York.

[A]

You want me to come to New York?

[B]

Yeah, come.

[A]

Okay, fine.

[B]

I guess I get you some tickets.

[A]

I'll bring my daughter. No, I don't think you should bring kids to that, should you? Do you bring your daughter? My daughter, she likes to watch it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's cute that your daughter comes. Does she come to everyone?

[B]

Do she comes to every fight? She ain't come early on when she was, like, too little because you don't want to be, like, going through them crowds with, yeah, little baby.

[A]

So, yeah, she's four now and she likes to watch you.

[B]

Last time, she was talking after my fight to you about me.

[A]

What'd she say about you?

[B]

He wanted to win that fight really bad. So he almost knocked you out? No, he did not. Girl, is you crazy? And when she said it, it was kind of, like, embarrassing.

[A]

So cute.

[B]

But, yeah, it was a cute woman.

[A]

Did he almost knock you out?

[B]

Hell, no. But she's smart because in the fight, it was a moment where I lost my balance, and it wasn't like he hurt me or anything, but he hit me with a punch that made me lose my balance. So she probably was gauging it off of that.

[A]

So my daughter really watches the fight.

[B]

She had to watch the fight to.

[A]

Know that you've never lost.

[B]

Never. Really never.

[A]

I. I think I've said this before, but, like, why does every single boxer and I don't know all of those people who got up on a little thing like this, they all say they're undefeated. Are they all undefeated?

[B]

No.

[A]

Why do they all say they're undefeated.

[B]

It's only a few days. Undefeated?

[A]

Who's undefeated? Me is to.

[B]

No, he lost.

[A]

Okay. Why don't you fight someone who hasn't lost?

[B]

I fought plenty of people that hasn't lost, and I still beat them too, so.

[A]

Like. Like who?

[B]

Oscar Valdez.

[A]

He lost you for the first time ever.

[B]

Yeah. Big fight.

[A]

Who would you lose to?

[B]

Nobody. Only person that could beat me is me.

[A]

Who's the best r. What are you? Boxer. Boxer is a wrestler. The same thing.

[B]

Hell, no.

[A]

Who's the best boxer of all time?

[B]

Me.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Actually, me.

[A]

No, of all time.

[B]

Me.

[A]

I don't. I'm gonna look it up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Will they answer that? Is that, like. Is that an opinion? No.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So if I. Okay, fine. If I look it up right now, is it gonna say you?

[B]

No, they're gonna say their opinion? No.

[A]

I feel like it'd be off of stats.

[B]

No, Google has an opinion. I think that I am.

[A]

Okay, so you think you're better than Muhammad Ali? Yes.

[B]

I would never disrespect the goat like that.

[A]

So do you think you're better than him?

[B]

He's a goat.

[A]

Do you think you could beat him?

[B]

He's a goat. With all due respect, Floyd Mayweather, another goat.

[A]

Would you beat him? Didn't he just know. Who's the one who just boxed? Someone that was older.

[B]

Oh, Mike Tyson.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You could probably beat him, right? Could you just lose? Could I? I couldn't be you or anybody, but could you?

[B]

Nah, Mike Tyson. Too big.

[A]

So he'd beat you.

[B]

He's a heavyweight.

[A]

Didn't he just lose to someone?

[B]

He lost to Jake Paul. Is that real? Did he lose or. I think they called it a draw, maybe.

[A]

Was that fake?

[B]

I don't know. I think it was real.

[A]

You think he actually lost to Jake Paul? Would you fight older? Would you fight one of Those? Oh, he's 60.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, oh, so you'd probably win too, or. No, because he's so much bigger than you.

[B]

I probably would win.

[A]

Would you fight one of the Paul brothers?

[B]

Yeah, I would actually.

[A]

Both of them fight.

[B]

I would like to fight Jake.

[A]

They both.

[B]

I wouldn't like to fight Jake.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I would fight Jake.

[A]

Okay, why did you make that clarification?

[B]

Cause I don't care whether to fight him or not. Okay, but I'm just saying.

[A]

Good.

[B]

I like Jay. I think he's good.

[A]

He's a good boxer.

[B]

He's good for where he came from.

[A]

Where did he come from?

[B]

YouTube.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So coming from YouTube and then putting all them years of boxing in it makes him. He's way better than what people was like expect of him.

[A]

So you'd fight him?

[B]

Oh, yeah, I would.

[A]

Okay, do it. How do you. How do you. How do you, like, fight someone? You just put it out there. You let people know you want to fight them?

[B]

It depends. Like, I would not, like, let people know that I would want to fight Jake, because I wouldn't.

[A]

Oh, you don't want to fight him?

[B]

No, I don't care for it. It ain't nothing that really.

[A]

Is he bigger than you?

[B]

Yeah, he's bigger than me, but I'm saying I would, like. If it was offered to me and it came across the table, I would.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I wouldn't, like, chase and go out there like, who are you chasing? Who am I chasing?

[A]

Yeah. Who's your dream person?

[B]

I don't have one. I don't have nobody.

[A]

Anybody who you really want to fight?

[B]

Nah, I think the guy that I really wanted to fight is the guy I'm fighting my next fight.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Tfimo?

[A]

That's who you really want to fight?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why do you call him that?

[B]

Tfimo?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

His name is Tiafimo.

[A]

No, you just said it was. Not that. It was something. Lopez.

[B]

Tiafimo Lopez. As nay.

[A]

Female is his middle name.

[B]

No, his name is Tia. Female.

[A]

Tia. Fimo.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not Tio.

[B]

Fimo.

[A]

T, O. Oh, like letter T, letter O. Yeah. T, E, O, O, T, E, O. I'm very confused.

[B]

Fimo, F, I, M, O. I call him Tfemo.

[A]

Okay, so you were confusing me.

[B]

Yes, I confused.

[A]

I thought that was just mocking. You're fully mocking him. But you are. But you aren't, because his real name is. Is Tio At Lopez.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Never heard of him.

[B]

Yeah, he's good, though. He's a real good fighter. I don't know how you haven't heard of him.

[A]

Yeah, I haven't heard of a lot of people.

[B]

Yeah. But I don't have no dream fights.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because all the people that I would have a dream fight with already had their time. Like, I would love to fight a Floyd Mayweather like, somebody like that 30 years ago. Yeah. When he was in his prom.

[A]

Okay. You think you could have beat him in his prime or you.

[B]

I think I could be everybody. That's nice of you, but he's a goat.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. You're so confident.

[B]

I appreciate that.

[A]

It's a great thing to have. I'm gonna. I'm. I hope I become More confident after today, I'm not going to, but I hope that it happens.

[B]

I told you I changed your mindset, though. Like, you gotta go.

[A]

Yeah, but I. I went into that fully believing I would hit you twice, and I didn't.

[B]

I don't know why you believe that.

[A]

Fully believed it.

[B]

That was like, a bad thought. You should, like, fully. But you got close, though.

[A]

Did I?

[B]

Because if you didn't believe, you would have never got that one shot.

[A]

Okay. So that's okay.

[B]

The most people on the planet that is, like, big and making a lot of money and successful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are delusional.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They deluded their brains into believing that they can be successful. So that's how they are successful.

[A]

I think you're right.

[B]

That's why I know if you change the way you think.

[A]

Yeah. I'm gonna be more delusional.

[B]

I'm like your therapist right now.

[A]

I think so. I think you should be.

[B]

I see.

[A]

You should do cameo things of just therapy for.

[B]

If I wasn't boxing, that's probably what I was.

[A]

A therapist.

[B]

I'll be a therapist.

[A]

You wouldn't make a ton of money from that.

[B]

I mean, life ain't always about just making a ton of money.

[A]

Don't do that to me. Because you literally said that that's what you wanted to do, and now you're gonna try to turn it around and make it seem like I only care about money.

[B]

I'm just saying life is not all about that.

[A]

Okay, tell that to yourself. 20 minutes ago, when I asked you what would you be doing and you said, making a lot of money?

[B]

I would.

[A]

Okay, don't contradict yourself. What would you be doing right now if you weren't a boxer?

[B]

I just know for a fact that I'm gonna get to some money regardless.

[A]

Okay, you're contradicting yourself, but I'm just.

[B]

Telling you life ain't about it.

[A]

I. Okay, so, like, there's people on the.

[B]

Planet right now who are happier than the people that have $500 million.

[A]

Thank you. But I need you to understand. No, you want to sound like you're doing something.

[B]

I told you, I'm your therapist.

[A]

Listen to me.

[B]

If I'm your therapist, I got you.

[A]

Do you let me talk.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. 20 minutes ago, I said to you, what would you be doing if you weren't boxing? You said, I don't know. Doing something that makes a lot of money.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Okay, Then right now I say. You said, oh, I know what I'd be doing being a therapist. So then I say, Back to you. Well, that's not going to make a lot of money. And you think that's a good time to turn that into a learning moment about how money isn't everything?

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I will be a therapist just because of the fact that if it's fun to me, if it's something that I enjoy doing, I would do it.

[A]

Okay. So then go back in time and change your answer.

[B]

Okay. The first time I asked, sometimes you got to realize you may say, so you're wrong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then you change your mind. And that's just how life works. Just like years ago, I may have said something was something. Then years later I might have changed my mind and said something different. Yeah.

[A]

Or so you think.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

Oh, no, I do. Do you like the sound of your own voice?

[B]

Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes. Yeah.

[A]

You give me that feeling that you like to hear yourself talk. What would you rate yourself out of ten?

[B]

A ten, clearly.

[A]

What do you think other people would rate you?

[B]

Whatever they want. Do it matter what they, like think? No, it matter what I think. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm a 10.

[A]

Do you think anyone is ugly?

[B]

So a lot of ugly people in life. Yeah.

[A]

You just don't think you're one of them.

[B]

I know I'm not one of them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm like a hundred million percent sure, but I'm not.

[A]

You think you're like the most attractive man in the world.

[B]

I'm probably like top. I'm top one.

[A]

Top one in the top one.

[B]

That's what I think.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like for sure. No, no question.

[A]

I'm trying to think of who. Who else do you think is like good looking?

[B]

I don't even. I don't know. I don't think nobody else really besides me is, so. I know. Sure, I know.

[A]

I would love to take a vote.

[B]

Well, I mean, if there's a bunch of voters.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they didn't pick me, it's rigged.

[A]

Well, thank you. I hate the smell of everything here. And I can't wait to go take a shower.

[B]

Yeah, you smell like it. Like I could smell you right now.

[A]

You smell disgusting.

[B]

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