Amanda Jean(-Luc Picard) talks about the myth of Kirk vs Picard and *Star Trek*'s very impactful, if flawed, ethos. (Seriously, she will fight you about James T. Kirk.) She gets real tl;dr about how both captains were shaped by the eras they were written in, how Gene Roddenberry was more complex than his legacy suggests, and how positing Kirk as the jock to Picard's nerd is reductive and sloppy. Also, tune in to find out the answers to burning questions like: When did queer folks actually appear in Trek canon? Why is internal conflict equally as important as external? And why did Trek writer Ronald D. Moore go on to pen the *Battlestar Galatica* reboot and the worst man ever, Gaius Baltar? **Content warnings:** Mentions of racism, colonialism, and misogyny.