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The content of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather, LLC and does not reflect the views or responsibilities of iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on the Red Weather. Everyone thinks you're the man, but I make you weak. This is Anna Trainor's voice. It's the infamous haunted tape. I do remember we found her car down south of here. That pushed us in the runaway direction. Even if Mick managed to meet up with Anna, then murder her, could he have gotten rid of the body and driven her car all the way to sfo? Isn't it a little bit weird that they Obsess over hippies in the woods. And not the obvious boyfriend who's all pissed because her girl's sleeping around. Daddy promises some moolah, they half ass their investigation goes away. You're supposed to be writing. It's fine. I'll come home. Ryder. There are two contributions to the 1996 Maldonado campaign. These two companies. Thomas Bolden was on the board for both. Okay, look, I don't need the state and the district attorney suddenly banging on my door. We were trying to help you. I apologize. I advise Robert Maldonado to no longer speak with you. And Officer Greer is under orders to keep this work internal. Indy strong. Oh, they don't eat fish food. Actually, maybe it's not surprising that my son Indy loves to act and sing. He is, after all, the child of two performers. Oh, they don't eat fish food. Actually, what is this next line? Just say it, dude. Based on my experience, the kids that really thrive as actors are the ones who do it for its own sake, not because they want to be famous. So we've limited Indy's acting to classes and plays, but then after he appeared on a few episodes of my podcast and we were approached by a voiceover agent, it changed. Oh, they don't eat fish food, actually. Nope, they eat elephant shit. Get out of the way here. So now he's a working voiceover actor, and we got auditions about once a week. Indy loves it for the most part, but he's still a kid, and sometimes he just doesn't want to audition. Just stand up, please. Indy, come on, please. Okay, hold on, hold on. If we just focus. I want to play my idea. I know, but do you. Hold on, hold on. Do you want me to read the other lines? Is that gonna help you? What? Do you want me to read the other lines? No. Okay, well, how did mom do the auditions while I. While I was gone? Cause you had like three iPhone. I'm not doing that. You were gone for so long. I know. Why couldn't I go? Well, I was working. We wouldn't have been able to hang out. Doing the podcast about the girl. Yeah. Yeah. She was your friend. Yeah, well, her sister wasn't. What happened? Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. No, your friend, the sister. What's her name? Oh, Willow. Did I meet her? No. I mean, I think there was one Fourth of July that she might have been there. I don't remember. She died. Yeah. How? She was, you know, she was a very unhappy. Can we get back to this she was just a very unhappy person. She killed herself? Yeah. That's sad. Yeah. And she never knew what happened to her sister. No, that's. That's why I was gone for those two weeks. I'm trying to look into this, but come on, can we just focus on this and do this? Why did you stop? It's complicated, buddy. There are lots of people who don't want me doing this. Are. Are they bad people? Well, I don't think so. You know, there's just. I don't know, there's so many reasons. Dad, you should help. You have to help. That's the right thing. After this conversation, I couldn't decide if Indy was being naive or brave. I mean, he was definitely coming from a place of innocence. But there's different meanings there, right? You can be innocent. Innocent as in foolish, immature. Or you can be innocent as in pure and honest, not corrupted by cynicism, by a world where powerful people get to do what they want and ignore questions. He was right. I should help. But I didn't know what that meant anymore. I am actor and filmmaker. Writer. Strong. This is the Red Weapon, Sam. Way to take someone's tragedy and make it all about you, Ryder. Now that it was public, that this podcast was happening, social media posts and comments weighed in. Oh, this is my favorite. This is a vanity project of a washed up child actor. Okay, you gotta stop. There's no point in reading. I knew my wife was right, but I couldn't help but think there might be something useful in here. Since none of the podcast was released, though, most of the comments were just about the irresponsibility of true crime and personal attacks on me. Which hurt, of course. But I tried to put my own feelings aside and be optimistic. Maybe, just maybe, the attention might help. Now that it was public, someone might come forward with information or want to get involved. But no, it had the opposite effect. Mr. Strong, my name is Yuri Donenfeld. I am an attorney with Warren, Tolan and Shapiro. You should have received a letter from my office via certified mail. I had. From the letter, your podcast appears poised to make unfounded and damaging claims about our client. That would be Mick. Such claims, if broadcast, may constitute defamation under current statute. Basically, a cease and desist. All in all, it felt like the universe was telling me to sit down and shut up. I had been shut out of any official reopening of the case, assuming there was one, by Grace Loughlin, the current Sonoma County Sheriff. Please record your message. When you have finished recording, you may hang up. Hi, Sheriff Maldonado. It's Ryder. And Sheriff Maldonado, who led the case in 1995, also wasn't returning my calls. I am still making the podcast, and I wanted you to know from me, to hear it directly, that I have been in touch with Monica Tremblain a few times. But, you know, I'm working on my own here. I'm making progress. I felt compelled to distance myself from Monica because she had decided to publish information about contributions to Maldonado's 1996 campaign for sheriff. In my opinion, prematurely. It's not like I stopped them or anything. The most that I can do as a citizen is file a. A damn FOIA report. And that's what you did. That's all you. That's you. You already did that. Yeah. So we could get the full campaign records. Yeah. Talking about anything legal or an investigation into the sheriff's department. That's. That's up to the Attorney General. Okay. Okay. No, it's. I just, you know, I started out. I'm trying to make a podcast. I'm trying to solve this thing, and I feel like we were getting somewhere with them with their help. Ryder, if they really cared about Anna and if they wanted to solve this cold case, they would have welcomed the transparency. Wouldn't they want to know where shit went wrong? It was still hard for me to believe that Maldonado, in particular, would go from helping me as much as he did to completely ignoring me. They should be, like, opening up their doors to you, to us. But instead, the minute that you brought up Mick Bowden, multi millionaire son of a multi millionaire, guess what they did. They turned on you. That was true. Mick had become the main person of interest in Anna's disappearance because of the mixtape. This whole world, wild and hard and weird. Of course, I had to keep all this a secret from my dad. He would have had a fit, since Kit was 10 years older than me and came from the wrong side of the track, so called. The tape had songs, movie clips from Wild at Heart and Badlands. And then Anna talked directly to Mick. You can do it. You can do it. You're my sailor. You're my real life, Mickey, because you are so cool. It was so intimate and implied a connection between the two of them that was powerful, secretive, romantic, which was never how I thought about them. I started this podcast thinking Mick was against Anna, that he had this revenge porn plan that got derailed that night by me and my friends, that he was driven by jealousy and possessiveness. But hearing the tape, I had to consider that he and Anna were actually really in love, and maybe that motivated him. Maybe his parents didn't want him to be with her. Maybe he was dating this new girl but had gotten back together with Anna and didn't know what to do. Was Anna, like, really into art? No, I don't think so. I have no memory of. I checked in with my buddy Chris, who had started this podcast with me. That's. I didn't think so either, but it's really weird because on the tape, she keeps talking about Van Gogh. I don't know, dude. Here's the more important question. How's the feature coming? Oh, God, don't ask. I had been hired to write a horror script for a production company out of Austin, and at this point, my draft was weeks behind. Luckily, Chris thought he could help buy me some time. Look, I'll call David. I'll call David. David was Chris's agent who had actually introduced me to the producers in the first place. He reps those guys, at least. Steve from Gear Haze. Oh, my God. Yes. Do you think. Do you think David could hold them off? Yeah, I think you need to get your ass writing, but, yes, If David comes at them with writers going through it, he's going through trauma. His old friend killed herself. Trauma, trauma, trauma. They'll cut you some slack. Yeah, I'm gonna call him. I'll call him. God, thank you. Thank you so much, ma'. Am. You're a tortured artist, and that's why they want you to write their script and not some hack. But enough with the torture. You don't need any more torture on your. On your torture plate. My wife couldn't agree more. Nope, can't hear that again. She put a moratorium on listening to Anna's mix, But it's not bad music. The point I. I don't need to hear it over and over again. It's not like the 454th time you're going to hear something new. But I still wanted to know what Anna was talking about on the tape. Okay, so why don't you write down what she says? That was actually a good idea. I found software that transcribed everything, including the lyrics to all the songs. I now had a full text file, a readable and searchable version of the tape. I wanted to read the song lyrics. I kept thinking Anna chose these songs for a reason, which is a big assumption. I know some people don't care about lyrics at all. It doesn't matter what a song is saying if it's got a groove that's the way Alex is. Hold on. Just listen to this one song, because I think this one's important. Brace myself. Go. Nope, nope, not into it. Okay, fine, but what is it about? I don't care. I can't get past the music. But I knew she liked Pearl Jam, which Anna had included. She put Daughter on here by Pearl Jam. You like that song? I do. Okay, what's. What's it about? Okay, what is Daughter about? All right, my interpretation. And, you know, stay with me here. I think it's about a daughter. But I couldn't help it. I kept thinking of the mix as a direct expression from Anna, like her own soundtrack, the musical of her life. So, like, did she listen to Daughter and think of her mom? Lainey? I know. That's how I thought of music when I was a teenager. Especially if I made a mix for someone. If I included a song, it was because it expressed something I wanted to say to them or wanted them to understand about my life. I was locked into being my mother's daughter. I was just eating bread and water. I read the lyrics to Ani DiFranco's song out of Range to Alex, thinking nothing ever changes. And I was shocked to see the mistakes of each generation will just fade like a radio station if you drive out of range. Right. She just doesn't want to become her mom. Exactly. And she wants. She has to get away from her. Which, I mean. But it's so ironic because Anna's mom is part of this progressive group of women living out in the woods, and yet here she is listening to this song about an abusive relationship and escaping. All of that is total speculation. And like my wife, you might think I was getting a little obsessive. I have something interesting to say about that. What? Go write your script. Fuck. I set a new schedule of waking up at 5am to get some work done before I took Indy to school. I dragged myself out of bed, make a pot of green tea and sit at my computer, try to only think about what I had to write. Inevitably, I would find myself with my headphones on, listening to the mix. As it turned out, one morning around 6am Maybe it was the 454th time I did find something. Okay. I was reading along while listening, and there's this section. Get used to it, because I'm picking all the music in Operation Van Gogh. I'm gonna make you camp. You're gonna hate it. Did you hear that? I'm gonna make you camp. And she called it Operation Van Gogh Lake. Van Gogh wasn't about the artist, but a code name for something. And then it clicked. The movie clips. She included Badlands, Wild at Heart. These were movies where two lovers got into a car and ran away. All this Van Gogh stuff wasn't about the artist. It's literally the words themselves. It's a code operation to go, maybe even get in a van and go. The mixtape was evidence that Anna did did want to run away, that she and Mick were planning some great escape. Which meant it was time for me to confront one of the most confounding aspects of Anna's disappearance. The Kelty parking lot. Ready to feel healthier this year? 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This is why he kept it secret. I called Monica that day. It's literally a tape where she's talking about her and Mick running off together. The theory is she. She paged him, he picked her up that night. Yes, and they start Operation Bingo. But then something goes wrong. Or maybe she didn't even want to leave in the first place. Or he could have backed out. Yes, and things turned violent. Or, I mean, actually, maybe not. Maybe they just split up and she really did run off and he brought her to her car, and then she just drove herself to the Kelty lot. For all these years, the clearest indication that Anna had run away has been the fact that her car, technically her mom's car, but the one she used, was found in a parking lot near the center. San Francisco Airport. Anna, or someone, had driven the car to the Kelty parking lot on Franklin Avenue, only a few miles from sfo, to fly away. Or if someone had murdered her to make it look like she had flown away. There was no plane ticket bought under Anna's name, no flight record. But in 1995, domestic flights rarely checked IDs. Buying a plane ticket in cash under a pseudonym was entirely possible. I suppose. Some problems here. As usual, Monica didn't hold back. First of all, if Mick didn't murder her and he just decided not to go run away with her, why not just say that? Why not come forward? That's a good point. That's a good point. You know, and then if he does murder her, that means, number one, he's got to hide this body well enough that nobody ever finds it. Number two, he's got to get the car to the parking lot and then get back in time not to miss school the next day. Right, but how do we know that he was in school? Well, I'm not sure if he was ever marked absent, but to be honest, I don't even know if the records were ever checked. Because. Because said that he was with her. But she could have easily changed her story to cover for him, which the witness logs made a strong case for. Plus, if Mick had bought her that new car, she registered the Jetta only a couple weeks later. Her parents said that he was at the house in the morning. So that means that he's now not only bought her silence and hope, but also her parents. I just don't. Yeah, no, that's too much. That's. Even if you don't really want to be recorded. I'D really love to talk. For the millionth time, I tried to reach Anna and Willow's mom, Lainey. I was worried what she might think now that the word was out publicly. I'd like to explain what I've been doing because the stuff that's online right now is definitely not the whole story. And Laney's car, the car that anna drove in 1995, was a 1988 Toyota Tercel. Two door, white. My brother and everyone remembered Anna and Willow called it Tony. Yeah, stick shift had like a beige interior. I remember Tony wasn't found until December 2nd after it was logged at the impound lot. When Maldonado and his team caught up with it, all they could do was search the car. Well known room, no signs of a struggle. Maldonado went over the car evidence with me the first time we sat down, back when he was still talking with me. No notes, no blood. All we can do was bag what was inside that I had seen in the case file. You tell me what you want to see and I can go pull it from the lockers, bring it out here. Long sleeve shirt, sandals, size 6. The more important and more puzzling aspect of the car was when it had been parked. Understanding that was critical to confirming Mick's story. I mean, but there's no way he could have done all of this that night. The San Francisco airport is at least an 80 minute drive from Sebastopol. Right, but you're assuming that the car definitely showed up at the kelty lot on November 1st. Oh, you mean the pay. Through confusion, the car had been towed from the Kelty lot where its fees had gone unpaid. That lot offered 24 hours apartment parking for $7. Which side note, that's mind boggling. Nowadays the cheapest rate for 24 hours is like 45. Kelty was one of those off site parking companies. It was bare bones, just a lot. They had six lots. Three by SFO and three by the Oakland Airport. The Franklin Avenue lot was uncovered with barely any infrastructure. They didn't have cameras or anything. No, I'm kidding. They didn't even have auto stamp tickets. And the cashier was only on site between the hours of 6am and 8pm in off duty hours, a person would fill out a self pay envelope and slide it into one of those metal lock boxes. They had two employees. In the days after Halloween, those guys alternated shifts and neither one of them checked the car in. Meaning Tony arrived after hours to figure out when the car was parked. Maldonado and his team could Only work back from when it arrived at the impound lot. Well, they'd tow any car after 10 days unpaid, but they did all their towing at the end of the month. So all they had was the self pay envelope. And unfortunately that envelope was marked in a maddening way. There was a date, 11 4, written in black ink and then three days written in blue. Kelsey attendants said they'd often write a notation on the envelope based on the information and the cash given. But no one claimed either the three days or the November 4th handwriting as their own. Can you explain the paid through thing super carefully, just so we have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the initial assumption was that someone paid for three days and the 114 was the date of expiration written down by an attendant. So Tony showed up early morning morning, November 1st. But then, and this is really getting into the weeds, there is a good chance that whoever filled out the envelope put the date they pulled in rather than the date they paid through. This was a common occurrence. As Monica reported in the Press Democrat at the time, Kelty employees estimated that about, quote, a quarter of their customers misunderstood the instructions and would put the date of entry allowing the amount of of money inside to indicate when they were paid through. So. Right. The person could have meant it either way. Which narrows the likely window of Tony pulling into the lot to November 1, before 6am, within eight hours of Anna last being seen, or sometime during the after hours of November 4th, 12:00am to 6:00am or 8:00pm to 11:59pm Mick is accounted for at both those times. November 1st, he's with her parents. Allegedly. Sure. Yeah, allegedly. November 4th, he's interviewed by Maldonado in the morning and he joined the search party for Anna that afternoon. Bottom line, there was no time for him to be driving to San Francisco. It seemed like a dead end. Everything seemed like a dead end. And then I saw that Mick posted something on X. It was an announcement for an event, a panel. It was called Breaking AI and the Future of Online Advertising. And in the list of featured panelists, Mick Bowden from J Lite Industries. He was going to be at the LA Convention center in two days. Okay, please don't do anything. But it's open to the public. All I have to do is buy a ticket. And I think if he sees me in person and he can't avoid it anymore. Right. And then he's just gonna have his bodyguards stop you. You think he has bodyguards? I don't know. How rich is he? He's pretty rich. Right. So either way, he could sue you he could ask to get a restraining order against you. I knew what Monica would do. If you're not gonna go for this, then what are we doing? She'd go and confront him, just like she wanted me to confront Lachlan and Greer. Plus, I was still thinking about my conversation with Indy. Dad, you should help. You have to help. For the sake of my mental health, my family, and my actual career, I needed to take a break from Anna Trainor. I tried to move on, I really did. But then I went to see the producers of the film I was supposed to be writing. The ones that Chris helped me hold off. They wanted to have a drinks meeting. A chance to assure them that I was almost done with the script. That in reality, I. I had maybe 30 pages written. Like a lot of LA meetings, I had to drive all the way to Beverly Hills and pay for parking, which usually means valet. I pulled up, left my car out front and didn't think twice. Okay. Okay, I need you to listen to what's going on. When I got home that night, Alex was on the couch watching tv. Can you. Can you turn that off? I'm recording. Okay, so what happened? You. You're shaking. What did they say? Oh, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the meeting. It was fine. It was fine. Luckily, the producers barely talked about the script. We got off on a tangent about Lord of the Rings. That took up most of the time. It was the valet parking. When I came out to get my car, I saw the posted pricing. It was $24, which, as suspected, is insanely high. But also I wondered, why $24? Why not 20 even or 25? They wouldn't take a credit card, right? Okay, okay. But they charge $24, so what do you have to do, give them $24? No, if you don't have any ones, you give them two twenties and they have to give you change. As I watched the guy counting out my change, it occurred to me this pricing was probably intentional, because if they charged us 20, they wouldn't give any change. But by charging 24, then you. You have somebody having to count out. You're dealing with. With one and fives and tens. So it makes a tip more likely, right? Yep. Okay. Which reminded me of the Kelty lot where Anna's car was found and their pricing of $7 a day. They intentionally picked an uneven number. Shh. Indy is sleeping. Which is the cell. So the cell pay envelope where Anna's car was found. Jesus Christ. We're never getting back to normal life, are we? When I Woke up at 5 the next morning, the day of the Breaking through panel, I didn't make tea and I didn't go to my computer to write. Instead, I loaded up my mics, my gear, and I got in my car because Mick's alibi was no longer solid. New Year New you begin at loseweightnow. Co and make this the year you finally feel in control. With orderly meds, access proven GLP1 tirzepatide starting as low as $149 a month, it's simple, doctor guided and delivered right to your home so you can finally focus on feeling healthier and more confident. Get started today at loseweightnow.co. individual results may vary. Visit loseweightnow.co and get started today. That's loseweightnow.co. you've never been one to settle, stand down or stand still. You're a lifelong learner, energized by excellence. There's a fire inside you you can't ignore. You've got competition to outrun, momentum to build on, and your own high standards to meet. 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Two days. Which means the person who parked Anna's car could have pulled in on November 2, a day Mick is unaccounted for. Okay, a couple of SUVs just pulled up. I'm going to go see. Mick. Mick, Mick, Mick. Hold on. No, no, Sorry. I know him. There actually was a guy who looked like a bodyguard. Hey, Mick. It's. It's Right or Strong. From Sebastopol. I felt horrible. I felt like paparazzi, like tmz, just the worst kind of gotcha journalism. But I had to remind myself I wasn't chasing down a Kardashian. And Mick heard me. He couldn't avoid it. I just want to talk to you first. I'm just trying to find out what happened to Anna. I'm not accusing you or. Yeah, of course not, because that's bullshit. Okay, fine. If it is, then you have nothing to hide, right? Hey, look, I was Willow's best friend, man. She never knew what happened to her sister. That's not my problem. Okay. Oh, well. Hey, what was Operation Van Gogh? Yeah, look, I. No, look, I had the tape, and so did the cops, so I know that you and Anna were planning something. You don't know. Great. Let's talk about it. You know, let's. Let's sit down. Stop. We are not doing this like this. Julie, can you deal with me, please? Okay, if you want to talk. You want to talk like a person, man to man. Great. Happy to. Thank you. Okay, Julie, figure it out. Great sign. You have your son back. Yeah, thank you. I strongly suggest you consult with your network's legal counsel. Wait. He said yes? I. It looks like it. The woman Mick put me in touch with, Julie set up a time for an interview. Oh, my God. Though, it was. It was truly, truly horrible. It was just the worst. Like, nobody would even look me in the eye. It was like, you know, I'm just the Most annoying. Little like a. Like a journalist. Yeah, I mean, I remember your brother. Shiloh was cool. Yeah. Mick met me at one of those generic rental offices. We work kind of space. Look, I care about the people from back then that actually want to know the truth. That's the whole reason I wanted to do this. Oh, Julie is also going to be recording this. We talked on the phone earlier. Oh, you're going to. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Are you a lawyer? No. No, no. What do you think this is, like, some deposition? No, I'm in public relations for Jlight. We set aside about 15 minutes for this. I might just interject. Okay, sure. I'm scheduled. Yes. She's gonna record. Because when you edit this and make it sound like I said something I never said, I got my own copy. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Julie had her phone with a mic attached. I suddenly wished I had someone with me, too. I felt outnumbered. Let's just start with some basic questions. But Mick wasn't playing. There was no case back then. There's no case now. Sure. But I guess. Well, do you remember seeing me that night? Yes, of course. Yes. You and her sister. Right? Willow. And there was Chris d'. Alecio. Orion, my buddy Connor. Guy in the phantom mask. Right. Yeah, he. Phantom of the coffee shop around. He came at me with a bat. Chris swung in my head, took out my headlight. Did we hit his car? Yeah, yeah, I think. I think that's right. I went back and checked with Connor and Chris. Now, Willow told us that he had the uretape, right? Or did she just tell us to, like, damage his car? Man, I don't. I don't remember at all. Honestly. That's assault. I mean, that's not what I. Pretty simple soul. Well, okay, but what I remember is that we were trying to. I care what you remember. Those are the facts. That's what happened. Came at me with a bat, took out my headlight. All right, well, we were just trying to get into your car, so we weren't attacking you by any means. We were just trying to distract you. Okay. Okay. Let's talk about the party earlier that night. You got into a fight with Anna. Multiple people have said that. You guys were screaming at each other. So what were you fighting about? As I told the cops back then, I do not remember what the fight was about specifically. I do remember that she had been drinking a lot, which was a little common. I. I am not here to disparage Anna in any way. Even though she dumped you? Dumped me? Yeah. I mean, man, she Was like, she moved on. You know, she was sleeping around. She partied at the yurt. Remember that? All right, that has nothing to do with me. And, you know, she had a reputation. Everybody knew what she was doing. And yet here you are, when she pages you, you're coming running, right? We're short on time. I was empathetic to her situation, sure. Okay? She was in a tough spot. She did not have a father figure in her life. She was living with those feminazis. So, yes, when she needed help, I would go out of my way to assist her. Okay? Because he loved her. I don't know what that even means. You know, when you're 18, you don't know what love means. I had a girlfriend at the time. Yes. Right, but you didn't say that at the time. You didn't call her your girlfriend. That's not what you said. Yeah, I can show you the transcript. Okay, because this is. This is actually kind of important. You were interviewed by Maldonado, and he. He asked you, is she your girlfriend? And he said, no. I'm sorry, where is. This is from the transcripts from the. The sheriff's department. And then she asks, or he asks you, is she hot? You're like, not even. Not even hot. And then, like, why did you go to her house? And you're like, oh, sh. She was there, right? That's what you said at the time. What does this have to do with anything? Well, you tell me, man. Like, is this like some me too stuff? Oh, God, no. Yeah, I think. I think we're done here. Oh, no. Okay, so what did you do that night? Just tell me what you did. What happened? What's your version? I got a page. Yeah, I went to pick up Anna to help her again. She wasn't there, and then I left. And then you went to house. Yes, and then I went to. Well, not your girlfriend. You don't even think is hot. Okay? And then two weeks later, she registers a new car. Did you buy her a new car? You think I bought a girl a car when I was 18? Well, listen, I got the tape from her, okay? You know about this tape, right? It's the tape that Anna made for you. Okay. No. Yeah. No, sorry, man. No, that's backwards. Okay, you have that? Completely. But you know what I'm talking about. I found that tape in my car when Anna left it with a bunch of her books and crap. And when I heard it, that's when I knew she was banging some older guy. That tape's not to Me? Whoa, hold on. She says your name. What? No, she doesn't. She doesn't say my name. Yes, she does. She. She says Mickey. Okay, first of all, if someone called me Mickey, they weren't doing it twice. All right, let's listen. I have it. I have it. I want to. I want to play this for you. I had my computer with me, and I played in the clip. I can do it. I can do it. You're my Sailor. You're my real life Mickey. Because you are so cool. You're such an idiot. Okay, did you listen to the whole tape? Like, did you listen to it all? Because what? You. No idea how many times I've listened to this. Dude, she's using movie quotes throughout the entire thing. Okay, so from what True Romance, there's bad. The killer movie. Natural Born Killers. Right, Mickey. Natural Born Killers. I suddenly knew what he was talking about. Mickey and Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers, the Oliver Stone movie. She wasn't saying his name. He was. It was a mashup of quotes and characters. Sailor was from Wild at Heart, Mickey from Natural Born Killers, and you'd're so Cool was from True Romance. All movies about passionate, doomed lovers running off together and becoming criminals. Hitting the road, really. Oh, this is great. Now I'm glad I came and did this. Look at you, you freaking moron. Okay, it's not to me. It's some guy. She even says they're not the same age. I always said that she made that tape for somebody else, an older guy. Okay? I don't know who he is. I told him to look at the cult leaders, the teachers. There was that one freak, that creeper Jacob, who ran that senior. I feel like you're. But no, it said. They just keep talking to me. You know what? I'm sorry. I'm done. You're just throwing out. We're done. You're right. We're done. We're done. All right, Julie, come on. Okay. Was it really not to Mick? You said this thing last week. You said, oh, I'm glad you're 16. At least. Because I know it's because you just, like, want me to drive. But then it also can't be true that age doesn't matter, which, by the way you say it all the time. How would I miss this? My big move. Finding Mick. Confronting him was a complete waste. I did finally feel like a journalist. And I guess that means feeling alone, inconvenient, and feeling like everyone. The law and the public are against you. But finally, there was an upside to the podcast being public writer. It's Lainey Trainor. I wasn't. To be honest, I didn't want to call you back. It's been. I don't know, it's been years, decades. But it feels like nothing when. When something like this. For me, this is yesterday, you know, this is yesterday I had Willow and Anna. And yesterday I was kicked out of Maldonado's office. You know that they called me hysterical. Did you know that? And then years, years, trying to get them, anybody to listen to me. So when Monica put out that story. Yes, yes, yes, yes. This is what I have been saying all along. They didn't want to do their jobs. They didn't want to find heard. They just wanted it to go way. Anyways, I called Monica to thank her and she said that I should talk to you and that even if I didn't want to be recorded, that I should talk to you. So here I am calling. I'm in Colorado. I don't want to send anything through the mail. 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