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David McCloskey
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Gordon Carrera
Pablo Escobar, the head of the Medellin drug cartel. The world's 14th richest man. He was in many ways a terrorist.
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David McCloskey
This is an economic power concentrated in a few hands and in criminal minds. What they cannot obtain by blackmail, they get by murder. And I don't think he expressed any regret at all. He tries to portray himself as a man of the people, this kind of like leftist revolutionary.
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Gordon Carrera
Nearly everyone in Medellin supports the traffickers. Those who don't are either dead or targets. If you declare war, you got to expect the state to respond.
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David McCloskey
This is the moment where he goes too far. 13 bombs have gone off in Medellin since the weekend. By the end of 87, Bogota is essentially a war zone. US spending for international anti drug efforts is going to grow from less than $300 million in 1989 to to more than 700 million by 1991. It is the certain knowledge that no one is really safe in Colombia from drug cartel assassins. It's a conflict where the goal wasn't even to stop the flow of cocaine. It was to bring down this narco terrorist.
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Gordon Carrera
Everything has turned against him after this point. The whole thing he was building is collapsing. We are declaring total and absolute war on the government, on the individual and political oligarchy, on the journalists who have attacked and insulted us, on the judges that have sold themselves to the government, on the extraditing magistrates, on all those who've persecuted and attacked us. We will not respect the families of those who've not respected our families. We will burn and destroy the industries, properties, and mansions of the oligarchy. Well, welcome to the Rest is classified. I'm Gordon Carrera.
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David McCloskey
And I'm David McCloskey.
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Gordon Carrera
And that was Pablo Escobar, the subject of our series, writing as a member of a shadowy group of cartel affiliates who will become known as the Extraditables.
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David McCloskey
Great name.
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Gordon Carrera
I was thinking, is it like the Expendables or the Incredibles? I think those were the kind of cartoon series that I don't think any of them were quite as violent or as mean as the Extraditables.
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David McCloskey
The Expendables were pretty violent, yeah, but.
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Gordon Carrera
Not quite in the Escobar way.
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David McCloskey
More noble than a bunch of narco traffickers attempting to avoid extradition to the United States.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah. Trying to destroy the oligarchy and journalists, I noticed. But they're declaring war on the state. And Pablo Escobar, subject of our story, is part of them. And the name is the clue about what they're bothered about. It's that they don't want to be extradited to the United States. And he, as we'd left it last time, has just returned from a brief sojourn in Panama and Nicaragua, back home to Medellin in Colombia, where he is now engaged, really, in a growing battle with the Colombian state.
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David McCloskey
It's 1985 in Colombia. Pablo is back in Medellin. He has a US indictment hanging over his head. The prospect of extradition, as you so eloquently read, also hanging over him. And what is fascinating to me about this period is that Pablo is officially a fugitive from Colombian and U.S. justice. But he's not really in hiding. In the last episode, we talked about his attempt to negotiate a deal with the government. Well, that never happened. He just decided to go home because his control over the cartel was slipping through his fingers. So he's gone home and he's not really in hiding. He is openly moving about the city. He's throwing parties, he's going to nightclubs and bullfights. And he has very effectively bought off the municipal government, police. And crucially, really the weakest link, I think, in Colombian law enforcement, the judiciary. Right. Which he's so vociferously attacking in that quote that you read. So judges will play a big role in this story. Colombian judges are mostly in their 30s. They make about $230 a month. And the kind of legal system that Colombia has puts a lot of power in the judge's hands to sort of interpret the law. It's a Napoleonic legal system. Right. And so the judges are crucial to Pablo's control, along with, of course, the police and the municipal government in Medellin. It's really critical that Pablo digs his fingers into the Colombian judiciary. And what's wild is at this time, there's a great little section in Guy Gugliotta and Jeff Lean's book, Kings of Cocaine, on how systematic Pablo's really undermining of the Colombian judiciary was, is that at this point in time in 1985, there's actually a price, a set price, for a judge to dismiss a narco trafficking case. It's $50,000, which of course, if you're a judge, that makes $230 a month pretty good money. Right. Maybe life changing money. And it's so brazen that the cartel's bagmen are actually hanging around the arraignment courts in Medellin with briefcases full of cash. Right. And so we talked in our earlier episodes about this sort of underlying kind of approach that Pablo has to control. Right. Plato Plomo. So silver or lead? And so here we have a great example of just the silver working. Right. And so he's sitting there in Medellin, more or less the feudal lord of the city, with real control over the system of government and the courts.
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Gordon Carrera
But as well as the silver, there's lead. There's lead and there's growing amounts of lead and I think dynamite, angelignite and other things as well. Not just lead.
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David McCloskey
Well, that's right. So In July of 1985, the judge appointed to investigate the Justice Minister's murder. We talked about this in the last episode. Justice Minister Lara Bonilla, who was killed by cartel sicarios. The judge appointed to investigate Lara's murder is himself murdered in bogota. And in 1985, Pablo forms an organization, the one you read called the Extraditables, which vows this kind of fight to the death against the procedure of extradition. And it is extradition above all that Pablo fears most.
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Gordon Carrera
It's a poor superhero franchise, isn't it? The Extraditable?
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David McCloskey
Yeah, it's a, it's. It didn't quite make it into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Right. It was one of those comic books that got left on the, on the cutting room floor when the Russo brothers were trying to figure out how to stitch it all together on the big screen. Pablo and the overall cartel leadership, I think, feel like the sort of day to day business of dealing with even local judiciaries like in Medellin. That's probably pretty well locked up, right, with, with the silver and lead approach. But extradition is a big hot button, national political issue. And in 1985, the Colombian government, despite all of Pablo's pressure, is actually starting to extradite narco traffickers. Right. So By September of 85, six defendants have been extradited, nine more are in custody, and there are 105, what we call them, requests for provisional arrests. Right. Which is the US Requesting that the Colombians arrest somebody that are active. So the US and Colombia are actually starting to put this treaty really into effect.
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Gordon Carrera
And we should say the reason why extradition is so terrifying in a way to these people is if you're in a Colombian jail, you can probably bribe, bust your way out some way. If you're going to the US you're basically never getting out. And so it's game over for them. So it is the one thing they are really, really scared about, which is why it's going to up their level of violence against this, you know, kind of possibility of extradition. You get these kind of wild letters.
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David McCloskey
Lots of wild letters in this period.
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Gordon Carrera
Wild letters. I mean, it's kind of an interesting thing. He's sending them to the judges, I guess, to try intimidate them. Yeah, there's another one here. We're not going to ask or beg or seek compassion because we do not need it. Vile wretch.
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David McCloskey
All caps, emphasis not added by this podcaster. That is the actual. That's the way it was printed.
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Gordon Carrera
We're going to demand a favorable decision. We'll not accept stupid excuses of any kind. You know, the letter kind of goes on saying any decision against extradition would be rewarded or we swear before God in the life of our children that if you fail us or betray us, you will be a dead man.
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David McCloskey
Three exclamation points at the end.
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Gordon Carrera
Three exclamation points. So this is the stuff going to Judges, they're faced with a pretty hard decision, aren't they?
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David McCloskey
Well, I actually don't think it's that hard of a decision, personally. It is shocking to me throughout the story, given the amount of lead that will be flying, that there are Colombian judges, lawyers, and political officials who are brave. They stand up to the cartel because four judges weighing the extradition issue are murdered in the middle of 1985. More than 30 have been killed in the year plus since the Justice Minister's assassination. Right. And so we're getting a lot of silver. We're also getting a lot of lead. And the issue is going to actually go in front of Columbia's Supreme Court. And so the pressure, it becomes a more complicated issue for Pablo and the cartel, because you're not dealing with a local Medellin judge. You're dealing with the nation's highest court.
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Gordon Carrera
But this is the bit that's extraordinary about Pablo Escobar, is that as an issue like that escalates up the Colombian government, at no point does he think, oh, that's getting a bit too high for me, or a bit too risky, or this level of violence is too dangerous. He just goes with it. You know, he takes it to the heart of government, as we'll see. You know, I mean, there's something about that willingness to escalate, which is clearly what made him who he was, but also made him kind of ferociously dangerous and put a target on his back, I guess, because, you know, it's going up to the Supreme Court. So what does he do? He goes for the Supreme Court.
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David McCloskey
Yeah, go for the Supreme Court. I mean, this is absolutely insane, because In November of 1985, an urban guerrilla group called M19 Storms the Palace of justice in Bogota, the home of the Supreme Court. And they demand, among some other things, but primarily they demand that the government renounce the 1979 extradition treaty with the United States. Now, in this standoff, the entire Colombian Supreme Court and its staff are held hostage, which prompts a government siege that leaves 40 of the M19 rebels, 50 palace of Justice employees dead, including 11 of the 24 Supreme Court justices.
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Gordon Carrera
I mean, it makes January 6th look like, you know, something else, doesn't it? It's kind of on another level to. In terms of taking the battle to the heart of government. And do we know that it's Pablo who did it? Because you said it was this M19 group? I mean, the fact that extradition is on the agenda makes it feel like it certainly is. Even if it's not him. Actually doing it.
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David McCloskey
So. So M19 is probably paid at least a million dollars by Pablo and the Medellin cartel to carry out the raid. But again, it's one of these murky situations where I wouldn't say there's a smoking gun, but it would not make a lot of sense in this context for M19 to be doing this on their own. Also, as part of this, there's a bunch of freewheeling arson in the palace of justice building, and a load of criminal case files are. Are destroyed, including records of the criminal proceedings against Pablo. And there's been a bunch of debate, of course, of was that destruction intentional was just sort of an accident of the raid. But in any case, a bunch of records are destroyed and this siege, as you can imagine, not such a good thing for the Colombian government. And it starts, I think, to break the Colombian government's will to fight the cartel. And really, by 1986 or so, I think it's fair to say that Pablo and the Medellin cartel are actually on the verge of state capture. They've got the courts cowed, they've got hooks inside both of the major political parties in Congress, the police, most of the professional soccer league, as we mentioned last time, is under the control of the cartels. Even the bullfights, Gordon, have been compromised by the cartels. And strangely enough, I mean, you know, you think about, okay, going through a list of Colombian institutions, right, the guerrilla groups, which have been features of Colombian political life going back 50 years, are now sort of being captured by the cartels, as you can see, by M19's collaboration with Pablo and the Medellin cartel to hit the Supreme Court. So you kind of tick out a list of big Colombian political institutions, or just state institutions, civic institutions, and the cartels have really infected all of them. In the aftermath of the hit on the Supreme Court, Columbia does away with jury trials. Citizens are too frightened to serve on juries. The Colombians try to hide the judges identities. And the chaos in Columbia is getting so bad that in the spring of 1986, Ronald Reagan signs National Security Decision Directive 221, which makes drug trafficking a threat to national security. And we've been ticking through, I guess, this kind of slow turn of the United States to start focusing on the drug war in Colombia, and in particular to apply military and security force in Colombia to go against the Medellin cartel. And this decision in 1986 really starts to open a door to the possibility of military involvement in the war on drugs. Right? Because as part of it the Departments of Defense and justice are directed to, quote, develop and implement any necessary modifications to applicable statutes, regulations, procedures, and guidelines to enable US Military forces to support counternarcotics efforts. And later that year. This actually begins with the involvement of the U.S. army in cooperation with the Bolivians. That shift in U.S. capabilities or willingness to use those capabilities in the war on drugs is really going to be a critical piece of what will become the hunt for Pablo Escobar. And really, I think Washington's urgency is increasing, right, to do something, because at this point in the 1980s, the crack epidemic is really spiraling. Cocaine prices just keep on dropping. They've gone from $35,000 per kilo in Miami to maybe 20,000 by 1985. So despite all of these seizures, despite all of the chaos, right? Supply is absolutely.
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Gordon Carrera
The drugs keep coming, booming, and the violence is continuing. There's a bit of back and forth, isn't there, about the extradition treaty. But fundamentally, Escobar is able to go about his work. I mean, there's feels like there's very little restraint on him from either the government or the US at this point.
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David McCloskey
Yeah, I think it's really kind of a showdown, right? I mean, by the end of 1986, the Supreme Court actually ends up declaring the treaty invalid on a minor technicality. Right. Largely due to the intimidation that they've experienced from Pablo and the cartel. The treaty had apparently been signed by a delegate of the president back in 1979, not the president himself. Right. And so Pablo, of course, celebrates this decision in Medellin. Big fireworks display does to celebrate the annulling of the extradition treaty. But then literally two days later, a newly elected president re signs the treaty to make it formal. So you have this kind of back and forth, I think, between the cartel and the government that is still, by the end of 1986, not resolved in Pablo's favor. But in any case, this mixture of kind of murder and bribery that the cartel has applied it has lightened his legal difficulties because Pablo's name is removed from the indictment for the Justice Minister's murder. And the charges for killing those two DAs, the Colombian FBI killing those two DAs agents back in 1976 are dropped. So you have a lightning of the load, but the extradition treaty is still hanging over him. And then as you tip into the late 80s, Colombia really descends into near chaos as you have the cartels fighting the government, right, Continuing this kind of attempt to squeeze and intimidate the state. And the cartels are also fighting each other. In this period, the Medellin cartel and the Cali cartel are fighting each other. By the end of 87, Bogota is essentially a war zone. There are two DEA agents who were involved in the hunt for Pablo Escobar, Javier Pena and Steve Murphy, both of whom I believe are represented in the series Narcos. And they write in their memoir that Bogota was at war. The streets were deserted at night. There were soldiers in riot gear with AK47s and German shepherds on leashes standing guard at every major hotel in the city. And the US Ambassador in this period warns that violence really does threaten to bring the state down. And the White House begins preparing a new policy to shore up the government in Bogota. Also in this period, the Colombian government, the president declares martial law. And this is all happening while Pablo is living, you know, in some measure of peace and comfort in Medellin. The lawyers who are working with Pablo in this period, because he's got a host of sort of, you know, lawyers who are on the take, and the lawyers who meet him, they're kind of terrified. There's some great anecdotes on this. In Mark Bowden's book Killing Pablo, which I'd highly recommend. You know, they say we're terrified of this guy, but when you meet him, he's. He's charming. You know, he's calm. He's usually stoned. He doesn't raise his voice, though. He never swears. He's very polite. He's rarely in bad moods. So you're terrified when you meet the guy, but then you're. Soon, you're sort of at ease, right? This guy's calm, he's collected, he's cool.
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Gordon Carrera
It's a weird juxtaposition, isn't it? You know, and this is the theme all along, is a man who, on a personal level, can be so calm and is capable of the most extraordinary violence. Because at this point, I think, is when you start to feel it shifting. I mean, if it didn't feel like something close to terrorism, it's starting to feel more and more like that, isn't it, at this period in the battles against the state and against the other cartels, because you start to get pipe bombs and car bombs going off around the city. And. And, I mean, it's just extraordinary, just this idea that it's not just targeted killings of some judge or police officer who won't. Who won't take the silver, but it's doing them around kind of bits of daily life. Shopping malls and banks and. And. And on there's kind of pipe bombs and car bombs going off. I mean, normally not always designed to kill, just to intimidate, but it just feels like a civil war or that kind of when you have a state collapse like you had in Iraq or somewhere else, rather than, you know, a very targeted kind of criminal enterprise.
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David McCloskey
Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, even Paabo's family is targeted, right? I mean, there's a bombing outside his apartment building in Medellin. His young daughter Manuela, and actually is left with. With ear damage, and she's. She's partially deaf for the rest of her life because of this attack. And of course, by 1989, I think this is another turning point. That is when you're starting to get into this more, I guess, what, what feels more like a terrorist campaign. There's bombs going off all over the city, and there are really a spate of assassinations, not just of government officials, but of journalists, lawyers, radio reporters. And through the spring and summer of 89, it's just like every couple days, somebody is. Is killed, right, or. Or a pipe bomb goes off in Bogota. And in this period, that, that US focus is continuing to shift from interdiction, right, Cutting off goods, cocaine, getting into the US to really attacking the roots of the cartels. Right? So you've got more US Airborne and satellite surveillance over Colombia that's providing intel to Colombian forces on where the labs and the coca fields are. And Pablo, interestingly, I mean, he's trying to work this from the Colombian end, but in this period, Pablo is actually trying to do his own deal with Washington. So he. He tries to retain Kissinger associates, Henry Kissinger's lobbying firm, unsuccessfully. And then he does retain a lawyer who works at the same firm as Jeb Bush, hoping that through their kind of mutual connections, he could persuade Jeb Bush to go talk to his father, then President George H.W. bush, to sort of grease the wheels for Pablo. These efforts go nowhere. Now, by 1990, there is a presidential election coming in Colombia, and there is a very popular reformer named Luis Galan, who's a senator from the progressive wing of Colombia's ruling Liberal Party, who is the absolute front runner and is expected to take more than 60% of the popular vote.
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Gordon Carrera
And he's anti cartels, isn't he? He wants to go after them.
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David McCloskey
Totally anti narcotics, right? He is 100% committed to extradition. And in his campaign speeches, he regularly calls the cartels a threat to liberty and justice. So he is unambiguously opposed. And on 18 August 1989, Luis Galan dons a bulletproof vest and speaks to a crowd of 10,000 who have gathered for a campaign rally. So he gets on the stage, he's waving at the crowd. There are seven gunmen that have been dispersed out in the crowd who open fire. And two bullets penetrate Luis Galant's stomach just below the vest, and he's killed. Bogota goes on absolute lockdown. The sitting president declares a state of emergency. He suspends habeas corpus, which requires that after you're arrested, a person needs to actually be brought before a judge or into court. And that state of emergency gives the president the power to reinstate the extradition treaty without congressional approval, because it had been in this limbo. So the president reinstates the extradition treaty without congressional approval. He does that immediately after this assassination.
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Gordon Carrera
So he's, you know, he's taken out half the Supreme Court or someone has, probably on his behalf. Now we've taken out a presidential candidate. But it's actually to some extent, the next thing which he does, which I think is actually the most extraordinary thing which happens after that, and which feels like it is a turning point for Pablo, in which even he and even for Colombia, he's going to go too far. Because it's something which really crosses the line into what we think of as terrorism, isn't it?
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David McCloskey
Well, exactly. And three months later, in November of 1989, Avianca Flight 203 departs Bogota's El Dorado International Airport. It leaves at 7:13am Five minutes later, it's up at 13,000ft. All's going smoothly. At 7:18, an explosion rips the plane in two, splitting the nose from the tail. There are three bystanders on the ground who look up to see debris hurtling toward them. They're killed instantly. In total, 110 people are killed, including two Americans who are on the flight. And what is wild is that Louis Galan's successor as the Liberal Party candidate had been scheduled to be on the flight, but he cancels at the last minute.
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Gordon Carrera
The guy who's carrying the bomb is given a briefcase, isn't he? And he's told it's a recording device. In order to record what, an interview or the conversation that's going on on the plane. And he's told, just turn it. You know, once the plane's in the air, to start the recording device. And he doesn't realize it's a bomb. I mean, it's kind of, you know, you are blowing up a civilian airliner in Order to take out one person.
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David McCloskey
It's a suicide bombing.
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Gordon Carrera
It's a suicide bombing. Yeah. Using an unwitting person to do it. You know, I do find this particularly extraordinary. And it's that moment where you think, this surely is too far, isn't it?
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David McCloskey
I guess it's an interesting question of whether these are our mistakes. And obviously you'd have to argue, given what is going to come, that that these are mistakes.
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Gordon Carrera
This is the moment, yeah, he goes too far.
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David McCloskey
This is the moment where he goes. He goes too far because you have drifted from more run of the mill, I guess you could say, cartel violence and also, frankly, violence in Colombia to now attacking an airliner that has American citizens on it. To me, this is the moment where Pablo crosses from cartel kingpin to international narco terrorist, which then puts a bullseye on your head in Washington.
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Gordon Carrera
The context is also interesting, isn't it? Because this is 1989, and you've just had Lockerbie at the end of 1988, haven't you, which is the Lockerbie bombing of a Pan Am flight. And so actually kind of terrorist attacks on airliners, who's behind it is a big deal in Washington. And now again, you've had a bombing and it's two Americans who are killed on this Avianca flight. But it's still somehow in that context of the time, is bound to draw Washington into seeing what's happening in Colombia and Escobar in a different way, which I think is what it does. So it does feel like that is just a step too far by him.
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David McCloskey
Well, maybe there, Gordon. Let's take a break and when we come back, we will see exactly how Washington puts the bullseye on Pablo Escobar's head. This is one of the most spectacular.
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Gordon Carrera
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David McCloskey
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Gordon Carrera
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David McCloskey
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Gordon Carrera
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David McCloskey
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Gordon Carrera
Welcome back. And has Pablo Escobar gone too far? I mean, it seems extraordinary given all the other things he's done. But blowing up that aircraft, the assassinations of presidential candidates, that's brought him into Washington sights, hasn't it, David?
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David McCloskey
Yeah. Killing half the Supreme Court justices just wasn't quite enough. It had to go further. I mean, it is one of the wilder aspects of the story of just how far to this point Pablo has gone before the United States starts to get really serious about bringing him to justice or attempting to kill him. And at this point, after the Avianca airliner bombing, the George H.W. bush administration starts to look into what might be the legal justification for targeting Pablo. Because this is not post 9 11, right. The legal framework that the American government is dealing with to go after a Colombia based narco trafficker. That's kind of thin, Right. So since the mid-70s, the issue of targeting foreign citizens for death had been governed by Executive Order 12333. And the pertinent parts of that basically say that there is a prohibition on assassination. So nobody employed by or acting on behalf of Washington can engage in or conspire to engage in assassination. And then there can be no indirect participation by any agency of the intelligence community in requesting anybody to kind of undertake activities forbidden by that order. So it's attempting to put some guardrails on a lot of the insanity that happened in the 50s and 60s in the US intelligence community.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah. It comes out after the commissions which reveal all the attempts to kill Castro and all the kind of crazy plots that the CIA had been up to. So they put this prohibition in, which kind of sounds like it stops assassination. But then again, this is also a war, isn't it? You've got a war on drugs. This is a very interesting story about the overlap between the intelligence world and the military world. And the two are fused here. And that offers, I guess, a route for the United States to be able to go after people and to do certain things.
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David McCloskey
So, I mean, literally weeks after the Avianca bombing, the White House releases an opinion by the Department of Justice which concludes that it would not violate the Posse Comitatus act, which is essentially a prohibition on using the military to enforce laws in the U.S. right. DOJ wants to be sure it's clear that using the military in Colombia isn't going to violate that law. And they come up with a judgment that basically says if the President uses clandestine or low visibility military force is the term used, that it would not constitute assassination if the US Military forces were employed against the combatant forces of another nation, a guerrilla force or a terrorist or other organization whose actions pose a threat to the security of the United States. So you can see how, given the airliner bombing.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah.
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David McCloskey
Pablo fits square into that definition.
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Gordon Carrera
Strikes me as a very well lawyered statement.
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David McCloskey
Oh, yeah. Appropriately papered yes, Appropriately papered.
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Gordon Carrera
And it is interesting because it becomes, I mean, you see it in lots of other contexts. We don't do assassination, but we do do preemptive killing of people who pose a direct threat to the United States.
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David McCloskey
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Gordon Carrera
And this goes right through to the bin Laden rage, where technically it was a capture or kill, but everyone knows what it is, so there's always this wiggle room. But you're right, it is the ability of the US to designate Pablo as a threat to the United States and a terrorist.
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David McCloskey
Yeah.
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Gordon Carrera
That really gives them the leeway to do this. And again, he'd set that up by bombing airliners with U.S. citizens.
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David McCloskey
Well, you can, you can see in this DOJ ruling, I mean, some of the seeds of what will become the justification throughout the war on terror to kill, I mean, not just terrorists who are sitting in Pakistan or Afghanistan, who are not US Nationals, but even the killings of someone like Anwar al Awlaki, who is a US Citizen and who's in Yemen. Right. Like, we're not quite there yet. But in 1989, in the Hunt for Pablo, I think some of these seeds are being, are being born. Now, Bush, President George H.W. bush essentially is declared an actual war on drugs and put Colombia at its center. So just weeks after the murder of Luis Galan, that presidential candidate, President Bush has signed National Security Directive 18, which calls for more than $250 million worth of military, law enforcement, and intelligence assistance to fight the drug cartels in South America over the next five years. And a week after that, he's authorized $65 million in aid for Colombia alone. At that point, Colombia is probably the source of maybe 80% of the cocaine that's making it into the US so allocating some money specifically for that theater makes sense. He authorizes sending a small contingent of US Special forces to Colombia to train its police and military. So again, we're seeing this creep of more and more US Sort of military involvement in South America. And you have some senior US Officials are even starting to weigh steps of like, how would we approve unilateral US Military action against the narcos without the approval of the Colombian government? So over the next five years, the US Is basically going to underwrite a covert war in Colombia. US Spending for international anti drug efforts is going to grow from less than $300 million in 1989 to more than 700 million by 1991. And that doesn't even reflect the black budget. So the secret kind of military and intelligence spend that'll be deployed as part of this effort.
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Gordon Carrera
It does remind me a little bit about, you know, going back to the war on terror analogies, the war against Al Qaeda when it's in Pakistan, and that issue that you're both funding the Pakistani government and working with them, and you know that there's elements of the Pakistani state who have close relationships with Al Qaeda, be protecting them. And do you act unilaterally? And, I mean, in the modern world, you've got drone strikes and Predator drones to take people out unilaterally, which is what the US Ends up doing in Pakistan. But at that point, this is all going through the Colombian government, which obviously has its advantages, but also has its challenges, I guess. But the US Is basically going to bankroll special teams of Colombians to do this for them and to some extent, with them.
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David McCloskey
Well, and, I mean, you need the. Some element of Colombian help to do this, right? And ideally, the Colombians would be taking the lead. But really, at this point in. In the late 80s, right, if you're Washington, you kind of look at your array of Colombian military and security and police institutions, and you've got to be thinking, boy, like, do we have actual partners here? It's to your. Your Pakistan analogy. So what happens is that with. With some of this US Funding, the Colombians create special police units which are called the search block, that are dedicated to hunting down Pablo and the other narco kingpins. Command of the group is considered so dangerous that it is supposed to rotate monthly, although, as we will see, that doesn't practically happen. And command is initially given to a man who will be very important for this story, Colonel Hugo Martinez, who's known to all as Flaco.
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Gordon Carrera
Skinny. Is that what it means?
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David McCloskey
Skinny is how it translates. Yeah.
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Gordon Carrera
He is a really interesting character, isn't he?
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David McCloskey
He's a stern man. He's apparently very tall, very skinny, very taciturn. He's quiet, and he's kind of bookish. He's a longtime administrator, but very tough, very courageous. And I think he, more than anyone else, is going to embody the Colombian side of the hunt for Pablo Escobar.
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Gordon Carrera
He is an example of those Colombians who are brave enough to not take the. The silver and risk taking the lead from Pablo and to, you know, to go into what will prove to be a long war with Pablo. And I think he's a very interesting figure in that, but also knows how to play the game, I think, as well. But, yeah, this search block is going to become the kind of key instrument, isn't it for. For the US and for the Colombians to go after them.
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David McCloskey
Well. And Pablo has thoughts on the search block, of course, and he responds to its creation by saying it won't last 15 days. Thankfully, he's very wrong in that. But the task in front of the search block is almost impossible, I think, because effectively, what they're doing, you know, you kind of think about it, okay, it's a group established from units of the National Police, some other elite kind of police and security institutions. They draw from it to form the Search Bloc. It's not the military, but you are effectively invading Medellin. It's not like you're policing or conducting security operations in Apache territory that you fully control, because Pablo and the cartel essentially own Medellin. Right. Pablo owns enough of the police in that city that one of the rules, the sort of founding rules of the Search Bloc is that it cannot be staffed with native Antiochians. So from the, you know, the region containing Medellin and around it, so the search block bring men from elsewhere in the country. They absorb some of these specialized units from the Colombian version of the FBI and a special branch of the Judicial Police. Some in the Search Bloc work in. In uniform under what, I mean, essentially ends up becoming similar to a military command. Others are plainclothes, as civilians. And because they're being drawn from other parts of the country, they kind of start from scratch, Right? They don't have local sources. They don't necessarily know the geography. They can't really collaborate with the police because they would fear that the police would report to Pablo. Yeah, and they stand. They stand out because they don't speak with that Paisa accent. Right, that. That Pablo and the other, you know, cartel members from Medellin would have. So they're kind of sitting docks, right? And in the first 15 days of the search block attempting to work in Medellin, 30 of Martinez's 200 men are killed, picked off by Pablo Sicario, often with the help of the police. 30 out of 200. Back to your point on courage. I mean, you have to have, you know, some guts to be. To be accepting a job with the Search Block. And in fact, I mean, this is a sign of Hugo Martinez's character. I think it just. It just hardens his resolve. So he gets 200 more men. They have to actually construct special funeral chapels in Medellin and in Bogota to handle the demand for funerals for members of the Search Block. And at the end of October of 1989, Martinez is supposed to be replaced. Right? Because he's only supposed to do this for a month. And even though he's done his duty and has been courageous, he would prefer another job. And in the classic case of you don't want to succeed at jobs that you don't want to do in the future, the department basically says, look, you've done such a good job, Hugo. Why don't you just stay? Right? So he stays on.
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Gordon Carrera
That's not the conversation you want.
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David McCloskey
No one else wants to run the search block.
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Gordon Carrera
But he does it, doesn't he?
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David McCloskey
He does. He does. And of course, inevitably, a bomb is discovered in the basement of the apartment building where Martinez and his family are living. And because the residents of the building are all high ranking national police officers, it means that one of them, if not multiple, were probably on Pablo's payroll. And Martinez was essentially betrayed from the inside. The families in the building take a vote, and they actually ask Colonel Martinez and his family to leave the building. Right, because they're worried about everybody else's security. Soon after that, a retired police officer that Martinez has apparently known very well for years shows up at his. At his office and says, I come to you obligated, meaning that Pablo has gotten to him. And this guy offers $6 million. He offers Martinez $6 million to call off the hunt, or better yet, keep it going, but do kind of a shoddy job and don't really do any damage to the cartel. And he also sky asks, as part of that $6 million bribe, if they could get a list of the traders in Pablo's organization, meaning the sources that the search block has recruited. And I think it begs the question here, Gordon, would you have taken the $6 million?
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Gordon Carrera
I don't think I'd have taken the $6 million. I. He says, try to be honest. I think I'd have been agitating to leave that job. I think I would have tried to stay clean, but not do that job. What would you have done, David?
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David McCloskey
I think I might have done the shoddy job. I don't know. It's a terrible position to be in. I like to think I would have taken it, but, boy, it's a rough position to be in if you're Colonel Martinez.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah. Martinez says the guy tell Pablo that you came but did not find me here and then leave this matter as if it had never occurred. He says. So it's quite interesting because he also, he's giving his old friend a way out as well.
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David McCloskey
We're at a point in the story here where we're setting up. I Think some of the teams that are going to be going after Pablo, the search block is really the primary Colombian element. But, Gordon, there's an absolute Alphabet soup of US Agencies and organizations that are starting to get more involved in Colombia because of all of that, that money and the political will from the George H.W. bush administration to get more involved in the war on drugs in Bogota.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah, you talk about the Alphabet soup. There is that slight feeling of everyone wants in in the US on this. And in Washington, you know, you can sense it's become a political priority for the administration. There's a war on drugs. We're at a point at which the Cold War is coming to an end, where some of the organizations, including the CIA, are kind of looking for new missions, new things to do to justify themselves. The old things have gone. So you can see that it is an Alphabet suit because everyone wants to get in and actually show their value to some extent in Washington in order to preserve themselves and preserve their budgets and to keep going. I mean, that. That's part of what's going on.
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David McCloskey
Absolutely, it is. And I think, you know, to kind of lay some of them out. I mean, of course we're going to have the CIA, Gordon, involved in this hunt. How could we not? Right? I mean, again, I feel. Yeah, just a warmth in the conversation.
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Gordon Carrera
The ability, how well they do talk about them.
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David McCloskey
But. But it is true that in Colombia in the late 1980s, I mean, the focus of the agency's collection to all of the sources that the station in Bogota would have recruited, they've not really been focused on the cartels. They've been focused on the Marxist insurgency in the hills, on politics in Bogota, and shoring up the democratic, anti communist government in Bogota. And counternarcotics has only recently been defined as a CIA mission. I mean, the counternarcotics center dates from 1989, so it's brand new. This has not been a real focus of the agency in Colombia up to this point. We should also note that from the standpoint of the agency sources, but I think just also the human intelligence piece of this more broadly, narcotics cartels are really hard intelligence targets to recruit sources inside. So I think the Medellin cartel, we could think of it maybe a little bit like Al Qaeda prior to 9 11, where they have a sanctuary in Medellin, they have safe haven there. They are an exceptionally brutal organization. So if you flip on the cartel, you can expect not to be jailed, Right. Or slapped on the wrist. You will be brutally tortured and your family will be tortured probably while you watch. And then you'll all be killed. Right. So the incentives for collaboration just from that standpoint are really, really limited. And this is different from Al Qaeda or a terrorist group. Target is that the cartels are awash with money. Right. So if you're trying to go and buy a source, you can't outbid them.
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Gordon Carrera
Struggle to outbid Pablo, who's one of the richest men in the world. Yeah.
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David McCloskey
The numbers around how much money the cartels are making the late 1980s are, of course, very hard to sort of pin down. But like, the cartel is probably making at least $70 million a day. So the high level guys that are going to have access to the. The plans and intentions of the cartel are obscenely wealthy and really hard to buy off.
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Gordon Carrera
So it suggests that human intelligence is a particularly difficult target because you're not going to turn people ideologically that easily. You're not going to turn them with more money. So, I mean, is that why, ultimately this becomes more of a technical intelligence mission rather than necessarily entirely a human intelligence mission? It's kind of interesting, isn't it? Is it because it's such a hard target?
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David McCloskey
I think that's exactly right. And we should mention that from the human side of things, as much as it pains this former CIA guy to include other agencies in the collection of human intelligence, we have, you know, the FBI has made some inroads working informants who are captured in the US then get sent back to work inside the cartel as sources. But they're not a huge player. The DEA agents of the dea, the Drug Enforcement Administration, are on the ground working with the Colombian police, trying to run and recruit sources inside the Medellin cartel. But I would say I think you're spot on on the humid side of things, because, number one, in the histories of this fight against the Medellin cartel and in the memoirs written by the DEA agents who are involved, a lot of their sources are killed. And at least as far as I can tell, I don't think anybody, be it CIA or DEA or FBI, ever succeeded in recruiting for any period of time, a really well placed source inside Pablo's organization. We should also point out that the relationships in particular between all these humid collectors, and especially between the CIA and the DEA in this period, are really, really awful.
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Gordon Carrera
You shock me.
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David McCloskey
You might be surprised.
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Gordon Carrera
Bureaucratic infighting amongst US Intelligence agencies never.
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David McCloskey
Cue the bureaucratic infighting. I would say that from the CIA side, they probably viewed the DEA agents as sort of lesser versions of FBI special agents, which, in Those years would be saying something. Right. So from the. From the CIA perspective, the.
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Gordon Carrera
They're not even Thebes.
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David McCloskey
They're not even. They're not even Phoebe's. There's an absolute chasm between these two agencies. And there's some great lines from the DEA memoir where they talk about going into the station. I can still remember the humiliation of going into their offices, meaning the CIA station at the US Embassy in Bogota. Whenever we walked in, they would activate a flashing blue light throughout their office space to let everyone know that there was an outsider in their midst, which you would do in a station. Anytime you have an uncleared person come in, there's like a red light that goes off that says there's an uncleared person. So the DEA people don't have TSSCI clearances. Right. So they're uncleared people. They're coming in.
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Gordon Carrera
But then I love. The next slide is the best. We were then required to sit at a child sized his desk located just outside the office of the Chief of station. You just imagine it's like given some, like primary school desk to sit at and, you know, just see what you're given. I mean, it feels like deliberately slightly humiliating, I think.
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David McCloskey
Yeah. And it probably was. They're not enemies in the same sense that all of the Americans in Colombian government are with the Medellin cartel, but they're not exactly working closely together in this period.
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Gordon Carrera
But actually it's not the CIA, which is arguably the most important player in this. David, it pains me. Gordon, I know it pains you to say it, but I'm going to point that out because as I said, I think it's the technical side, which actually is going to be some of the most important when it comes to intelligence gathering. And that comes from the US Military.
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David McCloskey
It does. And this is one of the more interesting and spooky units that will be part of this story. This group is going to fly into Colombia in late 1989 and early 1990s. So pretty much right after the Avianca airliner bombing and this sort of influx of support from Washington. It is a small, highly secretive technical unit inside the Army. Like all good spooky units, by 1989, its name has changed quite often. It had been called ISA for Intelligence Support Activity. Been called the Secret army of Northern.
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Gordon Carrera
Virginia, which sounds like something from the Revolutionary War, which.
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David McCloskey
Yeah, which does. Or potentially the Civil War. It's been called Torn Victory Cemetery, Wind Capacity Gear and Robin Court. And it is a. An organization, a group called Centra Spike, which is also A great name.
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Gordon Carrera
Now that is a good name. I mean, these guys are good, aren't they?
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David McCloskey
They're good. And the, the focus of Centra Spike, which is going to be very useful in the Pablo Escobar situation, is their focus is finding people. Gordon, how do you find people? And they have a particular technical specialty in this regard, which in 1989 was absolutely cutting edge. And it is radio location from the air. So how do I pinpoint the origin of a radio or cell phone call?
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Gordon Carrera
And we should probably explain a bit about this because this is pre, you know, pre. The kind of modern digital world and particularly drug lords are always at the advanced edge of technology, aren't they? They're going to be at the advanced.
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David McCloskey
They are, they're early adopters.
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Gordon Carrera
Yeah. You know, this is a good example of where they are using that and where there is this kind of cat and mouse game. But I find it so interesting because actually some of the techniques that Centrist Bike are going to use are basically very similar to what you read about from the Second World War and, you know, direction finding and the way in which the Nazis were looking for undercover British, you know, SOE and MI6 operatives in Europe who were using radio sets to kind of wireless telegraphy send messages back to Britain. And the Germans would have, in that case vastly hands driving around cities where they thought they might be, and they would try and pick up a stronger signal and then try and triangulate based on the strength of the signal where it was most likely coming from. And that's essentially what they're still doing now in the late 80s, early 90s.
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David McCloskey
But by 1989, Centra Spike can pinpoint a radio or cell phone signal down to within a few hundred meters in many cases. And instead of triangulating from ground based receivers like you mentioned in the Second World War, where you've got vans, they're all on the ground. Centri Spike can do this from inside one small aircraft. And the aircraft accomplishes this by taking readings from different points along its flight path. So as soon as Centri Spike receives a target signal, the pilot can begin kind of flying an arc around it and using onboard computers to do a very precise and very quick calculation of where that signal might be coming from. And they can typically do this within seconds. So Center Spike is a military unit. There's a major in that unit named Steve Jacoby. He goes to Columbia. He's only. There's a handful of people in the embassy who are read into the program and it's probably operating Largely out of the station. He's got a very small team. They obviously don't want many people in Colombia, if at all, to know that they're there. These guys are not partying. They're not going out in Bogota. They are playing themselves off as really boring admin or tech people at the embassy. The team, by that point has some experience in both El Salvador and Nicaragua, primarily using this technology to target communist guerrilla groups. Right. So it's now being turned again, theme of this series, right? What had been used against communism is now being turned against drug lords. And what I think is very interesting about this technology is that once Centrist Spike has acquired a signal, so long as the target left the battery in their phone, the Americans could actually turn the phone back on without triggering its lights or anything. So it emits kind of a low intensity signal, which would allow Centro Spike to establish the location of that phone. And then you could put the plane into position above to monitor the calls. And to accommodate all this, the CIA, of course, set up a cutout corporation with the wonderful name of Falcon Aviation to be the COVID for the planes.
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Gordon Carrera
I thought the CIA was also trying to do its own kind of radio detection efforts at this time, as well as this centrispike team. And isn't the reality that they were slightly competing and isn't the reality that the CIA were kind of outgunned by centrispike? You seem to have neglected to mention that.
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David McCloskey
Oh, it just comes later in the story, Gordon.
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Gordon Carrera
It does it.
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David McCloskey
Okay. It does, it does. The CIA had their own platform, which I think was remarkably similar. Allegedly, Gordon, it was not quite as accurate. This is an absolute theme of the hunt for Pablo is the sort of competition and below the surface, near hatred that many of these organizations had for one another. And it's absolutely a feature, not a bug, of the American effort to hunt down Pablo.
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Gordon Carrera
But there, I guess, with CentroSpike this, this new technical capability established, you know, a team which have got the ability to fly over Colombia to try and look for targets surreptitiously, to do it without being spotted, they hope a new tool really, in the hunt for Escobar as it's escalating. Should we stop and next time we'll see how that hunt unfolds and whether they can find their man.
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David McCloskey
Well, that's right. But Gordon, we'd be remiss if we said that we hope listeners would direction find their way to the restisclassified.com where you can join the declassified club, get early access to all of our series, but especially this one. Find out exactly how Centrus Bike and the Americans nail Pablo Escobar. Sign up. We'll see you next time.
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Gordon Carrera
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Gordon Carrera
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