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Richard Osman
The rest is entertainment is presented by Octopus Energy. Now, can I tell you something cool that Octopus Energy do? If you ring them and you have to be put on hold because they know who you are, they know your birthday. The hold music is the best selling single from the year that you were 14. That's quite cool, isn't it?
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Marina Hyde
Yes. I love this.
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Richard Osman
Exactly. I've looked into it for you. Do you want to know the best selling single in the year that you turn 14? So this would be your old music on Octopus Energy. It is. Yaz. The only way is up. What do we think to that?
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Marina Hyde
Well, yes, and the plastic population.
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Richard Osman
Yes, and the plastic population. Population. Oh, of course. Do you know what I sometimes think? The plastic population do not get their due.
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Marina Hyde
They don't get there. They don't get their credit, do they? You know, I need to ring into Octopus now and just listen to it. You can choose to say, oh, I don't want to have any hold music at all.
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Richard Osman
Absolutely. Yeah, you can. You can do whatever you want.
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Marina Hyde
What animals? What monster? Okay, it might be a really bad song, but what monsters don't choose to listen. I have to say to the song. Yeah, I love that they do.
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Richard Osman
I hope we're going to do this for me in another episode. But then, but then we find out if I. Yeah, I think I'm considerably older than you, aren't I?
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Marina Hyde
Not that much. What, it's like two, three years, is it?
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Richard Osman
Yeah. You'll be saying. And the best selling single in the year that you were 14. Richard. It's Cumberland Gap by Lonnie Donegan.
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
And I'm Richard Osman. Hello Marina.
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Marina Hyde
Hello, Richard. How are you?
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Richard Osman
Yeah, I'm not too bad, you know, enjoying post Oscars week. Yeah, as always. Planning. Planning my campaign for next year. Never know you'd have to really go at some to like start now and win an Oscar next year.
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Marina Hyde
Oh my God. Don't set yourself the challenge.
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Richard Osman
Do you know what? I might. You might be scene one in the Pentagon.
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Marina Hyde
Speaking of which, we have had an email I believe from a filmmaker.
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Richard Osman
Oh yes, we've spoken a little bit in our Top Gun episode and various other things about military hardware and you know when you team up with the Pentagon and it's very nice to hear from someone who's actually done it and John Moore to make a film rather
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Marina Hyde
than to, you know, bomb a petro state.
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Richard Osman
Yes, exactly. Although he may have done it.
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Marina Hyde
He may have done that. He wouldn't be allowed to say.
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Richard Osman
He doesn't deny it here. Certainly John Moore. Thank you. John, who is the director of Behind Enemy Lines also did A Good Day to Die Hard. That's cool. John Whiffan Boying. He says, hi, Marina. Hi. Richard says your name first because that, because he's a class act. It's a class act. He said. I directed the 2001 military movie Behind Enemy Lies. We know, starring Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman, which did use a lot of hardware including F18 Super Hornets. Wow. I really hope that's a plane and not an insect. Aircraft carriers, helicopters, etc. Etc. You know, you're a call director when you can go helicopters, etc. Etc. Your analysis was spot on. The Pentagon handles all of it on a case by case basis. But the good news is when they do commit, you have a pretty broad access. And though yes, if there is a real life emergency, you do have to quickly adapt, there are moments where you are truly in charge of an aircraft carrier. He says if for example, you need the boat to turn left or right to capture the light where he wants it. So you get to just turn the aircraft carrier right just for a minute, please.
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Marina Hyde
That's my ambition for the year to go the Oscars. I literally just want to just say heave starboard or something like that, whatever that, you know, I just want to do the technical thing. Yeah, I don't think they do say that.
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Richard Osman
Yeah, I'm on the bridge again. What did you say? Heave starboard. I think you meant turn left. Does he mean turn left? He says Takes months of prep, meetings after meetings and a lot of very serious safety prep when there are aircraft involved, I bet. Now, he says the Pentagon are not as censorious as many believe. They do not encourage particularly negative views, of course, but are generally interested in reflecting reality. And I have to say this is a good review for the Pentagon. If the Pentagon are listening.
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Marina Hyde
Just not that they need one at the moment, but.
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Richard Osman
Yeah, that's true, actually. Dear Pentagon, I have to say, if every producer could deliver what they promise at a level the Pentagon do, there would be a lot more happy directors out there. Wow, thank you, John. Thank you ever so much for, for that. If anyone else has. Has steered an aircraft carrier, do let us know.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. And if everyone else could just like keep to those standards in terms of when they make any form of a deal with the production, turn up and do what you say you're going to do.
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Richard Osman
Yeah, just like the, just like the Pentagon. Like the people who make House of Games prizes on the Pentagon, they never let you down. Shall we have a question?
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Marina Hyde
Yes, let's have one.
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Richard Osman
I have a question for you, Marina, from Ewan Forsyth. Thank you, Ewan. He says, in Heated Rivalry, Ilya and Shane sit beside a large mirror during the first time they truly see each other. The setting fits the scene perfectly, but feels like it would be challenging at least, or an absolute nightmare to film. When using mirrors in film, TV and photography, what balance is required for logistics and cinematography? Do you two have a favorite mirror scene on the screen? I was enjoying that question until the end because now I've got some work to do.
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Marina Hyde
Okay, first of all, you had me from Heated Rivalry. I think the scene you're talking about is when they're in the scene.
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Richard Osman
You know what, when we started with Heated Rivalry, though, I bet not many people knew where that question was going. Oh, you're talking about mirrors.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah.
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Richard Osman
Okay, well, sure, yes.
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Marina Hyde
After they've had a sexually charged, like, competitive workout on some exercise bikes. I think you're talking about that one. And they're each on either side and they're one of those mirrors that's against the back wall of the gym. That's fine. Because if you notice in that the camera, you know, these are the sort of things I noticed in here. That's all I noticed is just the camera angles. I just watched it as a technical exercise.
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Richard Osman
That's the question, really. When you're filming or photographing a camera, where is the camera? When you're filming or photographing a mirror, where is the camera?
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Marina Hyde
It's Quite black. The background, the camera is in the middle in a tripod and it doesn't move. It's a fixed position camera. Therefore it's quite. To have painted it out after, say, what they must have done for that scene. Right. But there are many different ways. Jacob Tierney, he wrote it and he directed it. He uses so many mirrors in that show. And there's lots of reflective glass and there's, as I say, you know, a lot of it's done in hotel rooms, hotel suites. He likes mirrors. And, you know, by the way, if you want to get into some fan discourse on what it all means and the reflections of each other and internalized homophobia, please get out there on that Internet and you'll find plenty.
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Richard Osman
But I would call it heated mirrors.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah, yeah, it would have.
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Richard Osman
Heated mirror, by the way. That is a game changer. A heated mirror.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah.
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Richard Osman
Anyway, listen, I digress.
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Marina Hyde
Yes, it is incredibly difficult, as you can imagine, to not have the camera show in a mirror scene. There's lots of different ways they do them and they vary in cost and ingenuity. So we'll go through them, cheat mirrors. They might just angle it in a slightly weird way so you don't see the camera. And maybe. Certainly one of my shout outs for possibly one of my favorite movie scenes ever in Taxi Driver when Robert De Niro is talking to himself in the mirror.
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Richard Osman
Oh, that's a good one. I should have thought about that.
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Marina Hyde
There we go, that one. They tilt that mirror and that's. So that's, you know, they didn't have much. Huge amounts of Marnie. Martin Scorsese. And he does that, but it's great. And he improvises a lot of that scene. It limits the camera movement. You can't do a lot, but it didn't matter there. You can totally remove the mirror. So you're essentially filming through. So the thing that you're showing is actually the real person and the camera, as it were. The shot is the mirror frame. And they do sometimes do that.
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Richard Osman
So you would do that and then just put like a frame of a mirror on it in post, so it looks like the mirror.
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Marina Hyde
There's an incredible scene in Contact where she's running up the stairs and she runs into her house, runs all the way upstairs, runs along a corridor and there's a really small bathroom mirror. And then she opens and opens the bathroom cabinet. And that is done in a very clever way. And you can watch whole tutorials about how they did that. It's one of the famous movie scenes because it's just not at all clear how you could achieve that in such a small space and not have basically it all be camera. Yeah. So as I said, you can totally remove the mirror and sometimes what they have is a body double as the person looking in the mirror, as it were. So you've got the real actor pretending to be themselves in the mirror and then someone mimicking their actions for the reflection.
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Richard Osman
That seems very low fi.
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Marina Hyde
Well, no, it looks good. You can obviously just do it with digital and CGI and so in something like Doctor Strange, they've got tons of mirror stuff, two way mirrors, which are helpful. You often see that obviously in police procedures. And then the camera just films from the dark side and it looks good that way of framing it. And then it's a mirror when you look from the other side. So that makes things quite easy. Needless to say that this is something that is famously used by James Cameron, the mirror room technique, where you create an entire identical room through the mirror. And so you can do anything there. You can have lots of movement in the camera. So you can get. That will deliver the best thing. It's obviously the most difficult and the most sort of more expensive. In Terminator 2, there's a famous scene where Linda Hamilton is operating on the Terminator model. And this is amazing how they did this. She is doing on Schwarznow Gap, her twin sister Leslie.
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Richard Osman
Come on.
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Marina Hyde
No, it's true, it's true. James Cameron, her twin sister Leslie is doing it with a working prosthetic head that can actually like grimace and stuff of Schwarzenegger on the other side of a non mirror. Because they've created. It's very, very expensive. It involves an enormous amount of choreography. It's really helpful if you've got a twin.
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Richard Osman
Wow. Well, that's like being a magician's assistant. Almost all magician's assistant are identical twins.
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Marina Hyde
Yes.
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Richard Osman
Are they not? Which allows you to do extraordinary things.
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Marina Hyde
What? You're not supposed to say that on the podcast. It's not that behind the scenes, I'm
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Richard Osman
not a member of the magic circle, though my identical twin brother is.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. But anyway, so that. So there's all sorts of different ways and it's. I think that the body. The twin body. Yeah. So those are. I suppose those are three of my favorite scenes. But honestly, every time I see it, I'm trying to work out which one they've done.
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Richard Osman
Now I just want to hear John Moore telling us how he shoots mirror scenes.
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Marina Hyde
Yes.
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Richard Osman
Okay. I'll tell you.
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Marina Hyde
John Wrighton again.
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Richard Osman
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Guys, I can't. I cannot do this every week. I am busy.
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Marina Hyde
Was there a point at which Gene Hatman, like, met his reflection in the bathroom mirror and thought, why am I doing this? Not the film, but, like, why am I doing whatever it is he's doing?
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Richard Osman
Maybe there was my favorite mirror thing. Well, a couple of things I'll say. I don't like it. I do not like it. If a scene starts in a bathroom and the bathroom cabinet is open. So they're in a bathroom, they're over the sink and you're seeing into the bathroom cabinet and there's, you know, tablets and whatever because, you know, yeah, America,
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Marina Hyde
they always have so much better stuff in their cabinets than us.
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Richard Osman
But, you know, the second that that starts that at some point they're going to close that cabinet.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah.
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Richard Osman
There's going to be a mirror and there's going to be a murderer just appears behind them. So that I don't like the. Just honestly, the second that's. I just. You know what? I'm just gonna not look until. Is the murderer there yet? The best ever mirror thing. Because you said two way mirror, so I'm allowed. Two way mirror is the cold open of Brooklyn nine nine when lineup sings Backstreet Boys that's the best ever. That's the best ever use of a two way mirror.
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Marina Hyde
That's correct. That's correct. There's no further questions.
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Richard Osman
Yes, excellent. I did it. I also love that the Instagram account, which is people selling mirrors. Have you seen that?
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Marina Hyde
No.
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Richard Osman
Oh, it's amazing. Which is because anyone's ever tried to sell a mirror and you put them up on Gumtree or whatever it is, you have to take a photo of the mirror that makes it look good, but without you being in it.
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Marina Hyde
Yes, I see.
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Richard Osman
But lots of people don't quite manage it or haven't realised. They've sort of caught themselves and, you know, they're in like very, very unusual positions. It's really genuinely hilarious.
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Marina Hyde
I'll go and have a look at that. People selling mirrors question from Susie, who says, I absolutely love the podcast. Oh, thank you, Susie, that's very kind. Thank you both for sharing your insight into such a fascinating industry. I have a question. When a new format TV show is filmed, is the episode that was filmed first always shown first or do they hide it halfway through the run?
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Richard Osman
Oh, God, that is genuinely. That's a blast from the past. There are certain shows where you have to go from episode one. So if you have something like Pointless, for example, where the winner Stays on.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah.
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Richard Osman
Then you have to continue from episode one. You do anything with a reality element to it. You have to work from episode one. If you have a show where they are capsule episodes, beginning and middle and end, and tomorrow a whole new group of people turn up, then you can do whatever you want. And then, yes, normally if you're shooting a, you know, a series of six, you might put episode four out first. When, you know, you hit the ground running and you, you, you kind of tweaks that you made, you know, you got stuff wrong in the first episode, you might put that out first. Or if it's sort of a.
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Marina Hyde
Did you do that with House of Games? Like, was the first week you shot, first week you aired?
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Richard Osman
That's a good question. I think so, because I think we aired, we sort of did a, like a kind of pilot week, funnily enough, thinking about doing my last ever one that pilot week, because Rick Edwards was on it and I was, I was saying I'd love someone from that first week to be on the final one. So it was Rick Edwards, Angela Scanlon, Clara Ampho and Charlie Hickson. And yes, I think we always knew that was gonna be our first week. So, yeah, I think we couldn't hide anything there. But if you're watching House of Games now, when we don't do that in order, you know, we will put out stuff at various points. You know, occasionally someone will say, oh, by the way, you know, could, could this go on after Strictly. Because I'm on Strictly. So you'll put that after and you can, you can move things about a little bit, you know, you know where Christmas is going to go. But, but apart from that, you don't. And yeah, you will often front load episodes, so you've got good ones. If you're doing a show, you know, if you've got something that has a big jackpot, if you've got something like the wheel, for example, which doesn't roll over at all. So who Wants to Be a Millionaire? You have to do the first 1 million pound drop. You have to do the first one. You know, most shows have some sort of recurring thing where it means that you can't put them out of order, but the wheel, you can record 10 of them. And in episode eight, somebody wins 85, 000 pound or just misses 85000 months. And it's a great ending. You might put that first. You might kind of think, you know what, let's absolutely lead with that. And certainly if you've got a brand new format that you want to show off. And there's something about that format. If you've got, you know, there's something about the format that, you know is going to hook people in, but occasionally it doesn't happen in a particular episode. You would search for the episode that shows the viewer exactly what this show is, how it can work, what mad things can happen in your show. And then, you know, by episode seven or something, you can put out the. The more regular ones, but what you get all the time. You know, I did a show called Two Tribes, which we absolutely could put out of order, and we did. And I remember a good friend of me mine saying to, after about three weeks of that saying, it's really, really interesting because at first I wasn't sure about the show, but you, you know, you've really worked out what it is now. And, you know, and I said, you are watching it completely out of order. The person who's worked out what it is is you. Okay, we. We worked out what it was by episode 17, which is why that was episode one. You are watching episode two, where we had no idea what it was, but you have worked out what it is. So, yeah, it's. It is with sitcoms, of course, by and large, you have to put them all in order. But occasionally, again, you'll get a sitcom that is, you know, like Porridge or Step Tones Son or, you know, some of the old stuff. You'll have things that you can put out of order. But if you can put stuff out of order, you do definitely. If you can put out the first one, that's great, but usually it's not quite where it needs to be and you will work something out. And definitely, definitely, definitely, if you've got something that really shows off your format and it's a new format, you really want to hit the ground running. That's when every reviewer only ever review the first episode of something, which I do think is crazy. You know, even dramas, they'll do the first episode of something and you go, you know, there's five more episodes of this that you could review. But yeah, you. You definitely want to put your best foot forward. And it's scary when you. A show that has a rolling jackpot or has a returning cast where you cannot do that, and then you just, you, you know, it probably doesn't make any difference in the end, but as a producer, if there's something you can control, you do try to. Yeah. If you see a show where it could be put out in any order, then by and large. It will be put out in any order.
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Marina Hyde
Right, shall we now go to a break?
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Richard Osman
I'm going to be giving away a little Would I lie to you secret after the break as well. I've had an amazing answer from the brilliant Peter Holmes who produces what I Lied to you for a great question as well. So I want you to ask me that after the break.
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Marina Hyde
I will do that.
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
I think most people feel daunted and like it's not for them.
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Richard Osman
I agree. It always feels slightly terrifying, like something that other people do, people with their kind of pinstripe suits and braces.
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
And it made me think, well, if they're all going to be there anyway, why don't I do a quiz with all of them in their different areas, testing them on their own area, testing them on other people's areas and we make it a little bit competitive and just essentially saying who is the best out of all the Goal Hanger podcasts.
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Marina Hyde
We will be putting Goal Hangers finest minds to the test and we're very, very excited about this one.
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Richard Osman
We're going to host it together. I'm going to be the Alexander Armstrong to your Richard Osmond. I think that's the way that's gonna work. I genuinely, I think this will be an absolute.
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
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Richard Osman
Exactly. It's going to be funny as well.
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Marina Hyde
It's going to be hilarious.
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Richard Osman
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Marina Hyde
but it's an amazing episode by background. He Jim Carrey, who doesn't do a lot in front of the camera nowadays, accepted a few weeks ago an honorary Cesar, which is a film award. And he went to Paris and he did his whole acceptance speech in French. It was that coupled with the fact that people thought he'd had so much work done on his face, by the way, I thought it was slightly exaggerated. I looked at the pictures. I mean, okay, fine. His like second mention was always the rubber face. Funny man. And maybe it's not so rubbery now. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe the rubber has gone a bit harder.
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Richard Osman
It's a bit more epoxy. Resin isn't it now.
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Marina Hyde
And so people said, oh, no, he's been cloned. And I think it wasn't hugely. There was a drag queen who said that she'd played him for the.
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Richard Osman
Yes. That she put on a mask.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. But I mean, I think she was just sort of joking and trying to get in on it all. None of these are ever true, by the way. I don't think none of them are ever true.
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Richard Osman
But the interesting thing with Jim Carrey that made it a tiny bit more believable is that he played Andy Kaufman, who did do this sort of thing, who was one of the few people in history who actually did do that kind of stuff. And so you could imagine that as a performance piece. Jim Carrey, who is. This is why I think it caught light. Jim Carrey, who is quite recruited, inclusive and doesn't really do very much and is suddenly speaking in a different language and has had some work done. It's clearly. You can still see it's him, but you could imagine that that might be a performance piece. I don't imagine he's been cloned because I feel that medically that would be huge advances would be needed to do that.
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Marina Hyde
But certainly they've done a barrier dealer's dogs. Why can't they do it with Jim Carrey?
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Richard Osman
That's true. I suppose so. But it certainly could have been someone. Someone wearing a mask. You think that wouldn't be impossible, but
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Marina Hyde
it'd be a long way to go to set some French film award no one cares about.
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Richard Osman
I know, but sometimes, you know, like on a Friday evening, you don't want to go to the other side of, you know, the town where you live. You know, he might not want to go to France.
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Marina Hyde
Such a long way to go in a metaphorical sense, as opposed to just to getting on a plane. We've got to go back to the culture here because we're now going through another big conspiracies moment. And there are all kinds of ones bubbling on that, you know, Michelle Obama's a man, Brigitte Macron's a man. I think Selena Gomez, she's another one they think has been clone. Her appearance has changed a bit. And, you know, there's a really simple explanation for this, by the way, and everyone in Hollywood's on it. Princess Kate, do you remember last year, they thought that, you know, during the cancer scare, there was some fake video made of her of a garden center. It was completely. We are in a cultural moment where, for reasons that we keep saying is that people feel they're being lied to about all sorts of things. And there is a sort of groundswell of conspiracy. Cloning or complete misrepresentation is a part of that. So we're going through one of those. By the way, this is pretty cyclical and it happens a lot. In the early 2010s, people were like, oh, Brittany's been, you know, Britney's got body doubles. Avril Lavigne has been replaced. Cause she's difficult or whatever. And she's been replaced with someone replying all the fake pregnancy stories that I can't even remember them all. You know, Beyonce, all of those ones.
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Richard Osman
Melania is faked.
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Marina Hyde
Well, this is what I am so ashamed of, because literally on my way here, I thought, oh, my God, I forgot I started one of these.
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Richard Osman
You started the Melania one?
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Marina Hyde
Okay. In 2017. It's a Friday night.
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Richard Osman
Yeah.
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Marina Hyde
I've got a babysitter.
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Richard Osman
You were in your lab.
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Marina Hyde
No, I'm not. Yeah, you know, but I thought there would be a high barrier to entry to all this sort of stuff. You'd need a YouTube channel. And, you know, I was simply exiting South Ken's tube station to meet Kieran and go and have a drink with him. And NBC posted a video of Trump being interviewed at a Secret Service training facility while Melania stood next to him. Now, she had that look which we see in often with her. The Mac with the collar turned up. I mean, he is literally like someone in a disguise. And the sunglasses. As I walked across the road merely a few steps to meet him, I tweeted, absolutely convinced that Melania is being played by a Melania impersonator these days. Theory. She left him weeks ago and thought nothing more of it. Now, within a few days, this thing, I've thought, oh, my God, it's gone so viral. There was a section on GMB about it. Sky News did it, the Washington Post did it. They cleaned it up, tarted it up, try and make it look good for them, you know, USA Today. Listen, by the way, by next Thursday as well, NBC just put the video out really quickly in the way that you can with a clip. All the news photographers later uploaded all their pictures and you could see her walking around this thing. And in the other pictures, it's quite obviously actual Melania and not a second lady, as it were.
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Richard Osman
Yeah. But it's interesting you're saying that now because. Do you want my theory?
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Marina Hyde
Okay, just consume it. Start it again.
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Richard Osman
I think 2017, for whatever reason, you weren't in the pocket of whoever you're in the pocket of now. And you were free to tell the truth. That's what I think. And I think maybe this was even the thing that started it. Suddenly you were. You had paymasters.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. You can't resist going behind the curtain, can you? Even now.
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Richard Osman
Yeah. And they're saying to you, no, you have to. You have to debunk this now. So I think old Marina was telling you the truth. I think this weird cloned Marina who's in front of me is a shill.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah.
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Richard Osman
That's what I think.
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Marina Hyde
It's a take.
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Richard Osman
Thank you.
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Marina Hyde
But I forgot that I'd started. I started.
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Richard Osman
That's amazing. Yeah, that's really cool. What, can you start now?
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Marina Hyde
Well, yeah, I mean, I forgot. I didn't realize. I. But this is a long time. I genuinely completely forgotten that this thing had happened. And then I remembered, or I've actually even written something about it. I mean, so many columns but so little time. Yeah. And so. But I do think in terms of, like, are they ever true? I mean, not really.
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Richard Osman
Yeah. Paul McCartney wasn't dead.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. Tupac, I think, did leave us.
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Richard Osman
Yeah.
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Marina Hyde
I don't think in general they're really ever true.
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Richard Osman
I had the great pleasure of meeting Paul McCartney recently. It was one of the greatest things that ever happened to me. And I was worried. I thought, what am I going to say to Paul McCartney? Because he said, you know, I do think of all the billions of people who've ever lived. He's. He's had pretty much, absolutely one of the most extraordinary lives of the billions of people there's ever been and from where he came from as well, and he's spoken to everyone and, you know, he's heard everything. So I thought, what do I say to Paul McCartney? But then he said to me, on House of Games, do you film five a day or do you come back the next day? So I thought, great.
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Marina Hyde
Favorite thing that I knew this time. I love it so much.
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Richard Osman
He was. It was extraordinary to see him. And it was at the Wings documentary, which I recommended before. And if you haven't seen it, you must do. What an extraordinary man. And how lovely to be alive at the same time as him. And what joy he's given to.
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Marina Hyde
Yeah. You can't believe you're alive with a person, everybody.
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Richard Osman
But, yeah, it was. Yeah, that was a proper pinch me moment. But I loved that he said that. Yeah. He watches House of Games. You think it was like, you know, when George Michael used to watch Dealer. No Deal. It's great. I love. It's. When Icons and legends are human beings. It's such a, such a lovely thing.
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Marina Hyde
Now, would I lie to you? Katie o' Sullivan has been on.
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Richard Osman
And she said, oh, she's been on, has she?
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Marina Hyde
Oh, she's been on.
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Richard Osman
Katie o' Sullivan's been on.
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Marina Hyde
Katie o' Sullivan's been on, yeah. And I said, what?
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Richard Osman
She said, has she been on an aircraft carrier? She put it, maybe she has.
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Marina Hyde
It's not detailed in the question. Would I like it?
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Richard Osman
I got it.
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Marina Hyde
It's not important.
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Richard Osman
Sorry, sidebar.
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Marina Hyde
Get you to land that plane.
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Richard Osman
Okay. Ah, okay.
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Marina Hyde
She says, how do the producers find the mystery guests? How far do they go to track down the perfect esoteric guest and bring them to the studio? I. The answer to this too.
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Richard Osman
So this is on the. This is my round on Would I lie to you? Because often when you're playing it, that does actually go through your head. And I think when you're watching at home as well, you think, yeah, but surely they wouldn't be able to track that person down. So, you know, if it's like, this is my next door neighbour who, you know, blah, blah, blah. But if it's like, this is someone I knew when I was 17, you're like, yeah, or this is someone I met on holiday. So I asked your question to Peter Holmes, who created Would I Lie to youo? And still runs it and produces it. We must do like a whole.
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Marina Hyde
Please can we do a special Q and A episode.
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Richard Osman
We get so many questions, so many
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Marina Hyde
questions about would I lie to you?
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Richard Osman
With Peter and his wife Rachel, who produces it as well, they would answer everything.
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Marina Hyde
Peter and Rachel, please come on the show.
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Richard Osman
Come on Peter and Rachel. But for now, Peter has asked this one and I apologize, I'm reading this out, by the way, but Peter has told it beautifully. So I want to tell it exactly how he's told it over 19 years on when I lie to you. Yeah, we booked 171, this is my guess, and we probably tracked down about three times as many We've spoken before about how this show works is that when you're on it, you will do a research chat with one of the researchers and talk about your life and they'll note down any funny stories. But in that it might be. Be one of those is like a. This is my. It's like a person who they could find and Peter says, look, some, some of them, you know, a guest can give us a direct contact and that's super easy. But many, many of them require quite a bit of detective work. We have found people in Australia, America. We have found random flight attendants, builders, hotel receptionists, tour guys, Vickers. We even found a bus driver for Barry Crier. I'm going to give you one that stands out is, you know, what's the furthest they've gone? But it's interesting, they really can go and do a lot of detective work. So you can't just think, yeah, but there's no way they'd remember. They'd be able to find this bus driver from 10 years ago. The researchers will go out and do that one. That stands out both as a bit of a great bit of detective work and a lovely moment on the show was finding that this is my. For Rob Rinder. Now, this was an episode I was on, this is an episode I was on. And I'm sure when I was on, I thought there's no way you'd be able to find that person. So during his research chat, he told us that he had a secret crush on a school friend and that for the past 20 years he'd use his crush's name name as the basis for all his Internet passwords. So I remember sitting there and doing that. You think, okay. And then he was saying, oh, I didn't really know this guy particularly, though. I just said the guy would never know. And I think, what if you don't know the guy particularly? There's no way. There's no way they've tracked this person down. But they had. So he said, Robert said to them that he hadn't seen this guy since school, he had no idea where he lived, but he had heard somewhere in the dim and distant past that he now had a job. Rob that was, and I quote, Peter Holmes, something to do with meat. Okay, so this is the info they had. They knew his name was Edward and he had a fairly common surname. That's all they had. It is something to do with meat. He went to school with Rob Rinder. He was called Edward at a fairly common surname. Peter says the this is my booker for that series. Kimberly Boke gets on the case, right? So she knows that he's gone to high school in the Hibarna area. So Kimberly begins contacting anyone she could find with his name in that locale, asking him if they'd been to school with Judge Rinder. None of them had. A thought occurred in the production office if he had something to do with meat, he might be a butcher. So we took to Google Earth, just strolled around the high Barnett area looking at butcher's shop fronts to see if Edward's name made an appearance in any of the signage. It didn't. The search for other Edwards further afield began in earnest and after lots of this is what goes into. That's why this show is one of the best on TV is, you know, they don't muck about. The search for other Edwards further afield began in earnest and after lots of dead ends, one in Milton Keynes caught Kimberly's eye. A searching company's house revealed that this Edward ran a catering business called Porky and Best. Could this be Rinder's meat vending school crush? Email contact was made with Edward. Did you by any chance go to school with Judge Rinder? He did. Were you a pole vaulter? This was other information that he'd been given this that wasn't random. Then it always just asked that he was. Can we call you? You can. So Kimberly calls Edward, asks for his recollections of being at school with Judge Rinder. Edward was aware, by the way, I'm not giving his very common surname because that would give away Judge Rinder's passwords. I'm sure he's changed them. Edward was aware of Judge Rinder, but they hadn't really spoken much. He had no idea that Robert had a crush on him or that he'd been the basis for his passwords for the last 20 years. And yes, he would love to appear on the show. Once in the studio, the three panelists each made their claim as to how they knew him. Denise Lewis said that Robert had helped him to pick up and move his car after she'd been blocked in by Daley Thompson. I think I went for that one because it just sounds the sort of thing. Lemak said he had dressed as Edward's wife to fool his son into thinking his mum has attended his school play. And Judge Rinder told the truth. Davis team interrogated each story before landing on the genuine connection. The other two members of that team, Katherine Ryan and some bloke called Richard Osmond. It was a very funny and warm moment in the studio to see Robert lost for words as he came face to face with his school crush. After the show, the two of them sat together in the Walty Green room, sharing a drink or two and catching up on life. Since Edward's picture was unpinned from the production office wall and replaced with the this is my guest for the next show. And the team headed home satisfied that the case of Edward the Meat man had been well and truly solved.
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Marina Hyde
That is art. It's unbelievable. I mean, they should all work for the FBI or something, shouldn't they? Amazing when you think how long the Met take to bring them certain people, isn't it? I mean, they should go and work there, but I. I think that is just complete poetry.
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Richard Osman
Isn't that great? And for a show that feels like it has such a light touch and feel, and when you're on, it does have a light touch, it's like you're walking on air when you're on that show. But as so often in television, that's because there are people behind the scenes who have done every single thing to make sure that show is going to run beautifully and perfectly and be funny and charming and warm. It's a real testament to production team's art.
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Marina Hyde
Okay, it's decided. We are doing a special Q and
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Richard Osman
A with Peter and Rachel.
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Marina Hyde
We have so many questions. Not least, my family have got about 30 questions we want to ask, so I'll try and sneak one of those in.
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Richard Osman
Thank you so much for that question, Katie. And listen, honestly, I genuinely don't care. Now, if you've been on an aircraft carrier, that was a great question.
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Marina Hyde
Brilliant.
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Richard Osman
If you do that question and you've been on an aircraft carrier, you are an mvp. But currently, that's still John, right?
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Marina Hyde
That, I think, wraps us up for today. We are back tomorrow with the second part of our deranged Village People special. Bonus special. If you want to join, it's therestasentertainment.com
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Richard Osman
Otherwise, see you next Tuesday.
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Marina Hyde
See you next.
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Richard Osman
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