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The rest is entertainment is presented by Octopus Energy. Now, celebrity culture has a way of taking very small preferences and promoting them until they require a lot of paperwork.
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Yeah, it's like the first time you ever go on a show and you say, I could have some sparkling water. And then like forever, it's like, oh, he has to have sparkling water. It must have sparkling water. It's very, very important. And that's what we call the rider.
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The rider. Right. In some cases, the rider didn't stay sort of practical for long. You know, it started as a wish list and then it sort of strayed into a kind of a hostage. Note. There was a point in JLo's ego where she was having like, you know, the white drapes, the white candles, the white. Absolutely everything. White flowers, white, you know, sofas, everything. Most people don't actually need a rider in this life of ours, however, but there is something reassuring about not having to specify everything twice or more.
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And this is one of my absolute favorite things about Octopus Energy. If you ring them about anything, your number is recognized and you'll go through to a team who deals with you and have dealt with you before. So yeah, you have a team, they recognize your number and you go through to people who, who you don't have to explain the same thing to 15 times. This episode is brought to you by Prime Obsession is in session.
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Winter is so last season and now spring's got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders that perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done. Hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope. It's time for a little in person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Hello and welcome to this episode of the Rest Is Entertainment Questions and Answers edition. I'm Marina Hyde.
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And I'm Richard Osman. Hello, Marina.
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Hello, Richard. How are you?
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I'm very well looking forward to answering questions. Soon we're going to do an episode where we're not answering questions. So we are again on the lookout for questions from our audience this time for Tom Hanks. Heard of him?
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Yes. Cinema's Tom Hanks.
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Yeah. From the movies. The guy from big. You heard Tom Hanks Splash.
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Yeah.
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Tom Hanks. They got him.
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He has had a long and amazing career and we are taking any and all of your questions and we're going to be talking to him fairly soon. So get them in, please.
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To.
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The rest is entertainmentgoalhanger.com I've done such a question.
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I love the way we always have to look at Joey. We've done this so long.
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Really, it is.
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He's given us a thumbs up. The rest is entertainmentalhanger.com any question you've ever wanted to ask Tom Hanks, you never, ever let us down with those things. So looking forward to that. But should we get on with our questions now?
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Please do.
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Bridget Mayer or Bridget has a question for you about the roast of Kevin Hart, which is on Netflix. Why are Americans obsessed with roasts? It seems quite an arcane format, but the Kevin Hart roast on Netflix looks like it has been a great success.
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It has been a success. The roast format is basically comedians taking the piss out of somebody else. In this case, also a comedian, but not always. It's funny. We think of them as. I don't know whether it's just that our whole British culture is like this, so we don't actually feel we're always taking the piss out of everyone and putting them down. So we don't really feel the need to have a dedicated thing, whereas they're always building everyone up. But every now and then, they like to have a sort of a safe
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space where they can say the worst things. Imagine they really are, I mean, genuinely
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shocking, you know, I mean, Kevin Hart is sitting there listening to all of his infidelities be listed. Yeah, people like insults, comedy. They really like it. The reason I like them is because I think I just really like jokes. And if people have crafted a beauty because, you know, you don't have long, lots of people are coming to the microphone. You've got a short space of time, so. And it's kind of a. It's a competition. It's like sport, but amongst comedians.
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Who can say the worst possible thing here, but it'd still be funny.
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Yes. You really look awful. If your thing is cruel, funnily enough, you actually. Everyone just thinks, oh, it's interesting.
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There's sort of a. If X, then Y. That you have to absolutely balance it. That if it is incredibly cruel, it has to be incredibly funny. It has to be always has to be one degree funnier than it is cruel. And then you get away with it.
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I agree with you. And there are lots of. So what's nice about it is that there's that sharp writing. There are callbacks. It's only one night. I mean, it's like a million. We live in a kind of reaction gift thing of we've discovered. And people like watching people's reactions to things. Will the target take it? That's the thing. It's a sort of the comedy of awkwardness as well as the comedy of insults. You can see what fans do like. And they do like deadly precision, as you say, not cruelty. It used to be always a Comedy Central thing. Comedy Central used to have this thing entirely sewn up. And actually the biggest rating ones of. And the most memorable kind of cultural moments with Charlie Sheen, that is the number one. Now, that was because he was. He. He had that extended pub. He has had a number of public mouthdales. But this was the really extended one. It was totally unpredictable. And it was before audiences actually became fragmented in the way that they are now with streaming.
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And also as a comic, there are four or five different angles you can come at.
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Yeah. And it's happening now. It's like a live news story. The Justin Bieber one is. Is a huge. Is probably the next down from that. There's a Trump one. And then some are not successful. And people. It just. It feels off for some reason. And it never quite catches fun. There's a James Franco and a Bruce Willis one, but they've now sort of gone to Netflix. They don't happen that often.
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Yeah.
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Because it's quite.
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Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady is immense. It's far. It did far better than the Kevin Hart one.
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Even though Tom Brady in America is so famous over here, you have to.
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He's the sort of, you know, the iconic quarterback.
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He's like Beckham for America.
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Exactly. And it's. There's something about sports audience they bought that brought in a sports audience. Maybe something slightly different. He is huge, as you say. There were really uncomfortable moments in that. I mean, there's a bit when he says, don't say that shit again, but that has those elements that, as I say, that, you know, it is unpredictable. You know that Kevin Hart's not really gonna. He's gonna be able to handle it because that's his job. He's had a million worse things shouted at him. Maybe less artfully. But in a weird way, I found it was quite a. It was a Bit of a marmalade dropper when Tom Brady comes on in the. In the Kevin Hart one, because the Tom Brady one is the more iconic one. But I do think that people do think the world is sanitized and lots of. And perhaps the reason it maybe has kind of cross cultural appeal, if I can put that in a kind of politically neutral way, even though I am really talking about politics, is because people think, oh, hang on, anything goes here. This isn't being censored. It's. It's not a sanitized one.
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Very, very unsanitized. But because you are in an American tradition that you know that there are no rules and the gloves are off.
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Yeah.
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Culturally, they get. They get away with it, which is why I found it really, really interesting, because there's stuff, there's material there that you would not see anywhere else. Everyone has agreed, everyone on stage has agreed that they're going to do that. Everyone watching signs a contract that is, oh, it's a roast. So we are all in this space where we go, oh, we can literally say any joke we want. And they really do say any joke they want.
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I. Yeah. So I like. I like it. And it's all on one. It's on one. It's one person. But actually, there was a lot. There's a lot against other comedians. Those Riyadh comedians got took quite a pace once you went to the Riyadh Comedy Festival. But, you know, I do have a sort of weakness for those sorts of things. And I think that in the culture when they're so super revered. I always loved Ricky Gervais's opening monologues at the Golden Globes, which were so brutal and they just didn't really know how to deal. And also, you never know who's coming for next in that. Just people sitting there having to smile glassily while he's saying, you work for the most disgusting companies in the world. You work for Apple, you work for Amazon, they all just have to sit there on their artistic night. So I like all those things, but actually what I really like of those things is the craft, is that the jokes, there's such few words, in a way, and just to kind of make it funny, but also incredibly vicious. I think they're great, but I think it's just in our culture just we do it all the time, so maybe we would.
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That's exactly it. You know, we're used to doing those jokes. I mean, these go further. It's definitely. I've said before, I'm sure the rudest joke I ever heard on television was aimed at Joan Rivers in her roast. I mean, something absolutely extraordinary. But it is, yeah, they're, of course, you know what you can joke about on terrestrial television when you know you've got responsibility to an audience is sort of ring fenced and this is one of the few occasions where you're outside of that ring fence and everyone agrees. So we just say, look, this is just gonna do it for tonight. Do not watch if you are offended at all by anything. For sure. But I thought it was a very interesting watch for lots of reasons.
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A question from David Richard. I've read that Jimmy Fallon is going to be producing a new game show based on the Wordle puzzle game and due to air on NBC. The detail that caught my eye was that it will be filmed in Manchester, England. Do they really film American game shows in the uk? What's the attraction?
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Yes, they do. We will get onto what the attraction is. It probably won't shock you, but we will get onto that. Yes. So Wordle, they're doing over here with Jimmy Fallon, which feels weird to me because one of the biggest game shows in the world is Lingo.
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Yeah.
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Which is sort of a TV version of Wordle. But whenever we announce any TV show people go, oh, that's just like that. And you go, no, we thought of that, I promise you. That's just, you know. So I imagine it won't be the same as Lingo. Yeah. So they're filming that in Manchester. It is become a much more common thing recently. There's a couple of reasons you'll do certain shows like this Golden Elevator show I'm doing, where every territory in the world comes to the same place that happens to be in Belgium. Just because that's where the, because that's
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the weather set is.
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That's where the, the production hub is as well. So that's often the thing that happens. But more recently, yeah. Americans have started taking their really high volume series to the uk. So recently I was talking to a brilliant producer I've worked with years and years, Michelle woods, who's just done Trivial Pursuit and Scrabble in the uk. They're both American. I mean, they're absolutely nothing to do with the UK at all. They're both from American networks. Craig Ferguson did, did Scrabble and Levar Burton did Trivial Pursuit. They again filmed that in Manchester.
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Manchester, England.
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Manchester, England, Yeah. I don't know if you've heard of it. Funnily enough, this always happens. It's probably Salford.
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Yeah.
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Because that's where the studios are.
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Oh, it will be Salford.
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Yeah, it'll be Salford. But they, you know, I guess the Americans think that they can say Manchester and people would have heard of it, so they'll film those things in Salford. The reason for doing it. And by the way, this is not a sort of, oh, let's find some Americans who live in Cheshire and bring them in. All of the contestants come from America as well. You get the odd one who's from the uk. Cause that's a bit cheaper. But it is cheaper for the Americans to fly over members of their public. Every single contestant, every single executive, every single person from the channel, every single member of a production team. It's cheaper to fly them over to the uk, have a UK production team make it. They know that the UK production team will make it. You know, Michelle and her team, they can make these shows. They're brilliant at it. They know it'll be brilliantly made and they know it'll be cheaper. And it is. I mean, it's a union thing. I mean, it is just an awful lot cheaper to do it over here. It is cheaper to fly every single person over here, film four or five a day in Salford, fly everyone back home and then put it out than it would be to do the whole thing in America.
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Unbelievable.
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And it's. Yeah, it's. This is quite. This is actually quite, quite a recent thing. That thing of having a production hub like doing Total Wipeout in Buenos Aires. That's been going for years and years and years and years. And that's when you've got a big set. But the setup of Scrabble or Triple Pursuit or this is. I mean, you could literally put that anywhere. Just put this idea that, you know, you're going to shoot 100 shows and you're going to go over to Salford to do it, because it's just going to be cheaper for you in production terms and in labor cost to do that. That's a sort of new thing. As always, as a great supporter of the UK entertainment industry, I'm all for it. I suspect if I was a. An American entertainment AP or researcher, I'd be less for it. It's good business for UK production teams and it's good business for American networks as well. And there'll be more and more and more of it. But it is weird. Yeah, it is weird. You know, there it is. That's the international nature of television. Now, question for you, Marina from Jake Magaree, big fan of the pod. That's. How do you get your question. In fact, that's. That's all he says. Sorry. Big fan of the pod. Question mark. Big fan of the pod. Ahead of its May release, the title song for 007, First Light by Lana Del Rey has been released. My question is, what is the likelihood Lana Del Rey thinks she song for a Bond film rather than for a game.
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Okay. With Lana Del Rey. She is. She's very, very great and smart. Various people know who know her, dummy. She is. Has got a very fascinating mind. So you can be sure that she knew exactly what she was doing. She has submitted a Bond song before and she wrote a song for Spectre and they didn't use it as. They use that Sam Smith.
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Yeah.
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Writings on the Wall, which I think is the only Bond song that ever went to number one. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. You'd know more than me and Lana Del Rey. She's got that voice, hasn't she? She'd be great. I have a weakness for the Bond. I prefer my Bond themes to be sung by women. There's something about it. I don't know why it is what it is. I prefer the Bond to be a man. I prefer them.
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It's so weird that you didn't say that to Paul McCartney, but anyway.
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Well, I mean, that's not one of the great Bond themes and I didn't bring it up.
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Whoa. Sorry. You don't think Live and Let Die is one of the great Bond themes?
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No, I don't. I prefer ones that are women singing in that kind of slightly kind of moody, noirish, ethereal.
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Have you lost your mind?
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No, I haven't.
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You don't think. You don't think. Wow. You don't think Live and Let Die is one of the great Bond themes?
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It's. It's a. It's a very, very good Bond theme, but I prefer. If you think. I think it's as good as Skyfall. Don't be stupid.
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I like Skyfall.
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Skyfall is brilliant. Skyfall is. Everything about the movie is brilliant. Yeah, that. Everything about it. The tone of the movie, the whole sort of story of what's happening. And Adele is so perfect. Yeah.
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Three best Bond themes are, in my opinion. Skyfall, of course. Live and Let Die. And nobody does it better.
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I was against. I knew you were gonna say nobody does it better. You're correct on Skyfall and. Oh, God.
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What I don't see, like Diamonds are Forever or something. Don't go obvious.
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No, I'm gonna. Sheena Easter and all that. Is it All Time High?
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No, that was Rita Coolidge.
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Rita Coolidge. All Time High. Sorry. All Time High is great, but it's too up. Okay, just leave it. Come back at the end. No, I love it, but no.
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Okay.
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Anyway, sorry. Can we get back to London Del Rey for just a minute?
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Well, no, because my mind has slightly been blown by this anti Paul McCartney rant.
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Right.
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It's a friend of ours. He's a friend of the pod.
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It's not an anti Paul McCartney rant. I just prefer.
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Is it pro Paul McCartney?
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I just prefer when women sing them.
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Okay.
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For some reason.
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Understandable. It's James Bond, not Jane Bond. Laughs. You know what I mean?
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Okay, so this Lana Del Rey one who. I think this one that she's done for the game is written by David Arnold, who's the original composer of a Bond scored.
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I think not the original.
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No, no, but he's an original composer. Yeah. And I think he scored four or five films. And they're really good. People are involved with all these games now. It's like extraordinary. What do we know that has happened? It has been acquired by Amazon fully. They have control. We know they're going to be building out the. Into a universe. I would say that doing that song and make. And the song is great, by the way. If you listen to the song, it's called First Light as well. And it's. It's really good if you listen to it. But again, this can be a springboard. She's already as. She doesn't really need to get in with them because she's already done things for them. But you can definitely see Lana Del Rey doing a Bond track at some point. And also there will be more Bond tracks, as you can see. There's. They're going to. Obviously we're not going to be just seeing one film every however long. There's going to be many different parts of this universe. There's going to be series, there'll be TV stuff, there'll be all sorts of things. And you. That's not to say that they're going to completely over flog it and over farm it and whatever. I'm not suggesting that. I know a lot of people worry about that. They haven't done it so far. We'll see. But there will be many more opportunities. And I 100% think her vocal is very suited to it.
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And also you'd imagine the house style would be. They would have original songs even for the spinoffs because it's something that.
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Of course, it's one of the. And it's part of the whole. It's part of the furniture of who they are and how they do it and all of that. So. Yes.
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So the good news is Lana Del Rey knows what she's done and she knows what she's doing.
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But what about. Oh, hang on. What about Gladys Knight? Yeah, Okay, I agree with you. It's all time high.
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No, I didn't say.
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I didn't say all time high. What did I say? I said spy who loved Me. Nobody does it Better. Nobody does it better is an absolute. And it's also an absolute classic Carly Simon song.
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Agreed.
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Skyfall, without any question.
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Agreed. We need a terrible choice for number three.
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Are you not just going with something like License to Kill?
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Me?
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No. You're not just going with Gladys Knight the two time singing License to Kill?
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No, I don't think so. I think that Chris Cornell and Morton Harkett would like a word.
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Okay.
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If you had to have a man in there.
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Well, it would be that. Yeah, it'd be that. Oh, hang on. What about. I mean, Louis Armstrong?
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Yeah, that wasn't an official no, you can't count.
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Okay. I mean, it's not Duran Duran, let's face it.
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Okay, that's fair enough. We can agree on some things.
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Yeah. Okay. All right, let's just put it to a vote. What is the best. What is top three?
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Top of our listeners.
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Top three of our listeners.
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We will send it out to our members.
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Okay, members, you'll be able to reply to that.
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We'll.
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We'll email you and then you can vote on your top three. So that will actually be quite interesting. Yeah, I think I'm forgetting things in the moment. I'm forgetting something.
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But we also. There's a lot of work for our listeners to do because on Tuesday's episode they have to answer the question of have you heard of a phenotype or. Or have you heard a big break?
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That's not what the question is, what you're doing. That's a form of false polling. It just depends entirely how you answer the question. Anyway, let's go to a break now. This episode is brought to you by Lloyds. Now, I love it when characters are part of a club. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you, Richard?
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Thursday, Murder Club in some ways reminds me of the A Team.
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I would now like to map each of those characters onto the A Team and feel I probably could. I mean, Elizabeth is Hannibal and it's not even close.
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Ye, that's exactly right. And Ron is howling Mad Murdoch.
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Why did we really go to war with Iraq? And did Saddam Hussein really have weapons of mass destruction? I'm Gordon Carrera, national security journalist. And I'm David McCloskey, author and former CIA analyst. We are the hosts of the Rest Is Classified. And in our latest series, we are telling the true story of one of history's biggest intelligence failures. Iraq WMD. In 2003, the US and UK told the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But they were wrong. This wasn't a simple lie. It was something far more complicated, far more interesting and far more dangerous. Spies who believed their sources, politicians who wanted the public to believe in the threat, and a dictator who couldn't prove he'd already destroyed the weapons. In this series, we go deep inside the CIA and MI6, go into the rooms where decisions were made and look at the sources who fabricated the intelligence that took us to war. The Iraq war reshaped the Middle east and permanently weakened public public trust in governments and intelligence agencies and its consequences are still playing out today. Plus, in a Declassified Club exclusive, we are joined by three people who were at the heart of the decision to go to war. Former head of MI6, Richard Dearlove, Tony Blair's former communications director, Alistair Campbell, and former acting head of the CIA, Michael Morell. So get the full story by listening to the Rest Is Classified and subscribing to the Declassified Club. Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Welcome back, everybody.
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Don't pretend we haven't been arguing through the adverts.
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Welcome back, everybody. Helen Smith has got a question.
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Save us, Helen.
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My husband and I love the Great British Menu, she says, but we're baffled by judging day. How long does it take to film and how do the judges manage to taste so many dishes in a single day? 8 mains or desserts in one day seems almost impossible.
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I love that question, Helen. Thank you. Because it is. There's a lot going on in the Great British Menu, by the way, that's very quietly been built into such an important franchise for the BBC. It's incredibly impressive what they've done. So I asked Sarah Eglin, who's the executive producer of Great British Menu. Helen. And I'm just going to read out what she says verbatim because I love it when producers tell you about how they put their shows together. Sarah, thanks you for your question, Helen. She says it takes a whole day to film each episode, with four chefs cooking in the morning morning and four chefs cooking in the afternoon. Tom Kerridge actually goes to a nearby gym and has time to do a full workout and shower before returning.
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Wow.
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So in the middle of the day, that's his secret to making more space for the calories. Our food is served hot, which is not always the case on these shows. So once the chefs say the food is ready, it takes under a minute for the food to leave the kitchen and arrive with the judges. One of the challenges for the crew is filming Tom's plate before he finishes eating, as he is an extraordinarily fast eater. No judge has to finish their plate, but most plates return to the pot washed empty. We have a separate serving which is used for filming the graphic shot of the dish and the crew take it and turns to eat this afterwards. So that is quite often a lovely cutaway of the dish and they'll do like, you know, a lovely shot of that that will be done like race across the world when the crew go back to, you know, the route and do lovely GVs and everything. Although one time, Andy Oliver accidentally ate the remaining pieces of a beautiful sharing loaf before it had been filmed. Andy. During dessert finals, we have cheese and biscuits on standby to help with all the sugar. And this is the one lunch break where the Jud might join the crew for lunch to get more savory food into their system. I could do dessert day without. I wouldn't need a single bit of non sugar.
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You've trained yourself.
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Yeah, I really have.
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You're a professional.
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That's the. That I could do. Sarah, if you're ever looking for anyone. The mains final. I love this. The mains Final is not for the faint hearted. That's mariners up for that. And Fratler, he's a friend of yours, is on it. I was momentarily worried we might kill national treasure Sir Stephen Frears, who judged eight main courses with us. None of the chefs buy their ingredients. They submit the recipes in advance and our home economics team supplies all the food within our budget. Some chefs do use their own money on presentation props, but spending a fortune is discouraged. As if that chef wins, we won't be able to replicate it at the banquet finale episode when the production supplies all the presentation for 80 plus guests. The great British menu moved production to the Midlands over seven years ago, so we rely on persuading famous people to come to Stratford Upon Avon for the whole day. I didn't know it was in Stratford Upon Avon.
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I didn't either.
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B
I love Stratford Upon Avon.
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A
Yes, I know you do.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You'll be visiting relatively soon, I believe.
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B
Yes. We're going to see Mark Catiss's play.
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A
I really want to see that.
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Yes. Look, anyway, this is absolutely by the by. We're talking about Great British menu. And our studio, Sarah says, is the old Teletubby studio. I still remember Peter Hook, the bassist from New Order, being a fantastic and hilariously entertaining guest judge during the music themed year for dessert finals some years ago. Dessert finals. I know, we just watched that. He explained he'd be able to eat every last crumb of his eight desserts as sugar was now his acceptable drug of choice. But he was done for speeding on the way back home on the M6 and it might have had something to do with all that sugar. That's fantastic, Sarah. Thank you so much for those. She sort of answered about four different questions there, but, but, but I loved all of them. Marina, question for you from Tasha. Tasha asks, when two high profile celebrities start dating, do their respective managers or agents team up to agree on how and when they'll go public with their relationship? I'm thinking of Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton is Insta official now. Old hat.
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Okay, that's interesting. First of all, I mean, those two, I don't think he would think about things like that in quite the same way. She would think absolutely how? With a team about almost how everything she does. But that's just perhaps the nature of the person. In the old days, you know, it would be quite simple. You'd be photographed together, maybe. Then people started doing joint magazine features about their love paid for. The Beckhams had a press conference to announce their engagement. It's really weird watching that. Take that documentary that was recently on Netflix, which is really good. They just did press conferences for everything and you suddenly thought, I forgot that actually, rather than having a way that they could instantly do something and it looked really good online and all of this, they would sit at a sort of long table with a tablecloth on it.
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Yeah.
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A
And it didn't matter whether you were engaged or Robbie was, you know, had left the band or whatever it was. It was done in this one way.
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B
In a hall.
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A
Yeah, in a. It's really weird looking back at it. It suddenly seems such a period piece, even though it was kind of recent. So, yes, there was a whole vocabulary for all of this, as, you know, like the soft launch. Now, the soft launch.
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B
The soft launch of.
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Of a relationship. The soft launch, you know, the sort of breadcrumb reveals. So you might see someone's shadow in a picture or crop photos or, you know, been quite obvious so that you'll say, oh, my God, but who's been cropped out of this picture of Paul Mescal as an example? There's a whole relationship theater to Instagram, isn't there? And. And the way that people talk about it, you see them using these terms in real life. I remember Taylor Swift talking about people saying, oh, how ridiculous that people would think we were hard launching our relationship. But I'm like, oh, my God, this vocabulary has just become completely normal now. Again, we talk about this all the time, but it's like the whole decoding culture, the kind of open source intelligence thing where your life is a curated public narrative. It does increase engagement. So you can see why Kim Kardashian would really string out the amount of time before she did something formal. So. And it also shows just, I think, how much the platforms have inserted themselves into all of our interactions. Modern celebrities can treat these moments as branding events and as fashion editorial moments. I wouldn't be surprised if her and Lewis Hamilton definitely do something together that
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B
also works inside a relationship. Like if. If you're literally, if you're two single people and you start going, oh, you know, you've had a date and then you go, oh, you know that film you were talking about? You know, it's on next week. I'm Jeff Fancy going to see it and you have another date and then you kind of go, oh, we're sort of hanging out, out a bit more. And you kind of think, oh, maybe we're going out with each other. But, you know, how does that physically work? Then you go, well, we need to talk to my manager about that.
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I think they talk all the time about that. They. Well, they just. They spend a long time trying not to be photographed when they don't particularly want to at the start of things for definite because that's just hassle and nobody wants.
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B
And if they're both famous. They both know.
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A
Yes, yes, they both know. And then they, you know, often they're very successful in keeping it completely away. I mean every now. But eventually. And in the old days people used to tip people off.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So they would get the first photos would not be high on the front of okay. Magazine were going out with each other. It would be paparazzi pictures. But every now and then it is a bolt from the blue. Like we had to do a whole item on it when it happened because it was so funny. Liz Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus. Every now and then you're like, excuse me, what?
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B
Still going as well, right?
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A
Yeah, that was the. Everything launch all at once. All the launches all at once. But. And it's hard to explain to like Gen Z or Jenn A that this didn't used to happen. And to the. As I say, the platforms are so inserted in life that even Brooklyn Beckham, who's constantly talking about wanting privacy and to be away from it, posts incredibly frequent updates and pictures of his relationship all the time.
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B
Have you seen that? Amazing. Listen, again, I'm going off on a tangent, but the brilliant comedian Al Green on Instagram this week has launched his character who's called Jackson Benson. And he's sort of pretending to do his who am I thing for Vanity Fair. And. And it's so funny, but it's very, very Beckham adjacent. But he's also got an indie rock band called Jackson Benson and the Boners and it's very, very funny.
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I'm obsessed with Cruise Beckham and the Breakers. I just want to know who's in the Breakers. They look like they're 30 year old guys. He was just this. I just. Any information on the Breakers? I want to know more about the Breakers. But anyway, so basically, just to summarize, relationships used to be revealed by the tabloids. Now they are serialized by the participants themselves, basically. So there might be. First thing might happen, there might be rumors, then you might have grainy accidental sightings or people in the back of other people's pictures who tipped them off or who. Who really didn't control it on purpose. Then there's all the sort of social media breadcrumbs. But this is a form of fan engagement and Even if they don't say that. Lord. This is about being always. Yeah, this is about being always on. If you're a female, you know, pop star and you don't, you don't have to release something. You're just sort of always there things. There are plot lines, there's, you know, the series is continuing.
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But you used to be able to see it on Twitter, didn't you, when you'd see couples sort of forming to go. He comments a lot on. Oh, now she's commenting on his. Do you think, oh, that's nice.
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Yes.
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But non celebrities.
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Yes. Now it's a, it's a much more. But when they're both big stars, this is how. And then I think you, you have the soft launch, then the hard launch, then the joint branding. As I say, I think Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian will definitely like, you'll see them together for like Moncler or something like that and they'll do an ad campaign probably at some point. Who know, maybe. Or they'll do something, maybe not an ad, they won't do an ad campaign, but they'll do something perhaps together. And then, you know, when it all goes wrong, the, the joints, the silent unfollow or the breakup statement and that these are the, this is the new theater of it all. And if you look at someone like the Biebers, Hailey Bieber and Justin Bieber, it almost has all been done via their Instagrams. They are married, they have a child. She's got. She had about eight products in her Rhodes skin color. They launched with eight products it bec a billion dollar brand. They sometimes do things together. He's had a. Finally, he's had an IRL appearance at Coachella and it's gone absolutely massive. But really the entire thing has sort of been sustained off. Is their relationship working out? Is it not all almost entirely a digital fabrication, a digital soap opera? I assume so. And then he's had this thing and then he managed to sell absolutely masses of units of his various products at the time. And that is a kind of quite a sort of classic template now, which as I say, would have seemed completely nuts a few years ago.
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B
Imagine Jane Austen writing a novel about it. I would read that. That'd be amazing.
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A
Well, I mean lots of her, you know, things like letters. I mean, it's like a picture novel. That's what I was thinking, novel.
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B
She would decode that stuff in a heartbeat.
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A
What's Dangerous Liaisons if the book. If not, you know, an epistolary novel about people scheming and plotting and, you know, trying to influence each other.
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Reader. I unfollowed him. Yeah, that's us done, I think. Please, please, please. If you have questions for Tom Hanks, do send them into the wrestlersentertainmentgoalhanger.com as you know, it's fun when you get your questions asked to these. It's, it's, it's a really lovely thing. So if you, if you have anything you've always wanted to ask Tom Hanks that you haven't heard him be asked before, then please do you always come up with a good. So thank you for that. Your wonderful bonus episode with James Kangasorium came out yesterday about Tradwives. A record recommend. Everyone listens to that. The first episode of that. There'll be bonus episodes from here on in, but the first one is free for everyone. Strongly, strongly recommend that.
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A
He is mega interesting and I am interested.
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B
Yeah. How is that sitting across from someone that you find interesting?
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A
You know, I never don't sit next to someone I've obviously someone I find interesting. But it was really. But you're not.
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B
But this is actually really interesting.
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A
It was different because it was. It was. He was able to poll people on. I know you wanted to get some polling always done live. I've just. Earlier this week you wanted to get polling done live in the episode. He would have been able to do that.
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B
Yeah. God, he sounds amazing. Wow.
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A
Anyway, listen to it. It's really interesting on Tradwives and Tradwife content.
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B
Yeah, Listen to that. Send in your questions for Tom Hanks and otherwise we will see you next Tuesday.
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A
See you next.