Dominic Sandbrook (3:18)

Right it is, Tom, and it's aimed at readers of all ages. So younger readers especially, I think it's fair to say. But if you're an older reader, don't feel inhibited. Pile in. Yeah, yeah. Buy multiple copies. For friends and family, I would say. Yeah.

Tom Holland (3:31)

Christmas is coming.

Dominic Sandbrook (3:31)

And Tom, do you know what? We're recording this on Trafalgar Day. I know, on the 21st of October.

Tom Holland (3:36)

I've been aglay with patriotic fervor since I leapt out of bed.

Dominic Sandbrook (3:39)

Have you? Oh, that's great news.

Tom Holland (3:40)

It's the best day of the year.

Dominic Sandbrook (3:41)

It is the best day of the year. It's Christmas for a historian, isn't it? Absolutely it is.

Tom Holland (3:45)

Oh, not all historians.

Dominic Sandbrook (3:46)

No.

Tom Holland (3:47)

Certainly for us, if you're an academic.

Dominic Sandbrook (3:49)

Historian, I think it's. It's a day like any other. But for those of us who apply our trade in the public eye, it's a great moment, isn't it? Trafalgar Day?

Tom Holland (3:58)

It truly is. But we're not talking about the Battle of Trafalgar. We are talking about the campaign that culminates in another of Nelson's remarkable victories, the Battle of the Nile. But, Dominic, we've got a long way before we get there, haven't we?

Dominic Sandbrook (4:09)

We have, because this is the amazing story, the Hunt for Bonaparte, today's episode, and actually, last time, Tom, we ended with Nelson, really in the doldrums. So he had been incredibly brave at the battle of Cape St. Vincent, then he had led this very reckless and foolhardy attack on Tenerife to try and snatch the Spanish treasure with his mate, Thomas Trubridge. And listeners will recall that it was a harebrained scheme. They turned up on the beach, dawn breaking bells ringing, cannons firing at them. Nelson is shot in the elbow, rescued by his oafish stepson Josiah. Josiah, yeah, who ties a tourniquet, uses his neckerchief. Nelson, carried back to the ship, refuses to accept a chair to bring him up to the ship, so clambers up with his one arm.

Tom Holland (4:57)

And Theo, who's French, didn't believe that.

Dominic Sandbrook (4:59)

I mean, the thing is, if you start doubting any element of Nelson's, Nelson's life, then the whole story falls apart. But also the thing with Nelson's life that makes it such an extraordinary and irresistible subject is that these sort of Hollywood touches that we can scoff at. I mean, I think by and large, they genuinely did happen, didn't they? Nelson consistently behaved in an almost preposterously heroic manner. Yeah, melodramatic and heroic manner.

Tom Holland (5:22)

But he's quite depressed, isn't he obviously he's lost his arm and he's suffered a defeat.

Dominic Sandbrook (5:26)

Yes.

Tom Holland (5:27)

And he tells St. Vincent, who is his great patron now, that basically it's all up for him, that he will be a burden to my friends and useless to my country.

Dominic Sandbrook (5:36)

He was going to go off to a cottage, wasn't he? No one would want a one armed admiral.

Tom Holland (5:40)

Yeah, just kind of lick his wounds and be miserable. But actually when he arrives in Portsmouth, so he lands there on the afternoon of 2 September 1797, for the first time he is greeted as a public hero.

Dominic Sandbrook (5:53)

Yeah, because Nelson himself had made sure that news of the Battle of Cape St. Vincent placed him at the center. So he had written letters to friends and things.

Tom Holland (6:02)

I mean not unjustifiably.

Dominic Sandbrook (6:04)

No, not unjustifiably. But one of Nelson's perhaps more irritating traits for his superiors, more amusing ones for us is that he's an inveterate self promoter. You know, he's very keen that everybody in England knows that he was in the thick of the action.

Tom Holland (6:17)

Hashtag Nelson St. Vincent.

Dominic Sandbrook (6:20)

Exactly, exactly.

Tom Holland (6:21)

Hashtag victory.

Dominic Sandbrook (6:22)

And when he arrives, as you say, at Portsmouth, he's a very wizened and kind of miserable looking figure because he's, you know, he's been very ill, he's lost his arm, he's suffered a terrible defeat at Tenerife. But there's this little crowd there and they kind of shout three cheers for, you know, yeah, huzzahs, huzzahs, all this. And he is, I think surprised by this because he's obviously been so low, wasn't expecting it and it gives him a little boost. And actually this is the first time, as you say, that he becomes a national figure. So when he arrives in Bath to be reunited with his father Edmund and his wife Fanny, the newspapers in Bath, the local papers all report the stories. So there are lots of extracts in, for example John Sugden's biography saying, you know, the Bath Bugle or whatever will say, oh, wonderful news, the hero of the battle of Cape St. Vincent has arrived in the town and he's going to be strolling around the spas and going to the theater and stuff and we can all see him. And isn't that wonderful?

Tom Holland (7:17)

Because actually it's all about St. Vincent, isn't it? They don't really mention Tenerife. No, even the newspapers that do say that was a bit cack handed. I mean they still say, well he was very brave. So he's not overly criticized for Tenerife. He is still the hero of the Hour.

Dominic Sandbrook (7:29)

Absolutely. Do you want to read a little bit of poetry? Would you like to read the poem from the Bath Herald?

Tom Holland (7:33)

I would love to, because I'm actually very interested in the topic of Nelson as a theme for poetry. So we've already mentioned Byron, who called him Britannia's God of war. Coleridge and Southie, they were very keen. William Blake, who we'll probably come to, did an extraordinary painting of Nelson, but this is maybe not entirely up there with Byron and Kohleridge and Blake, but it was dedicated to that intrepid admiral, Sir Horatio Nelson, on his arrival from scenes of danger and glory to the arms of his family in the city. And there are a lot of capital letters in that sentence. O Nelson, subject of our praise while conscious, worth shall gild thy future days, Soothed with the blessings of domestic life. A reverend father and a faithful wife.

Dominic Sandbrook (8:18)

Oh, dear Tom, the irony. Yeah. That will soon have a bitterly ironic wing. Of course, Fanny is always a very faithful wife, isn't she? Yeah.

Tom Holland (8:27)

It's a question of whether Nelson will be a faithful husband.

Dominic Sandbrook (8:29)

Exactly. Exactly. So he's come home later that autumn, he goes off to London and he's given the freedom of the city and a ceremonial sword by the Lord Mayor. He goes to St James's palace with the Earl of St Vincent, formerly Sir John Jervis, and there George III, who's in one of the intervals between being mad and talking to trees, gives him the silver star and crimson ribbon of a Knight of the Order of the Bath.

Tom Holland (8:54)

Because Dominic, George iii, had been quite down on Nelson, hadn't he? Because Nelson had been given responsibility for looking after his son William.

Dominic Sandbrook (9:01)

Yes.

Tom Holland (9:01)

Who' The Duke of Clarence, and felt that he'd done it poorly.

Dominic Sandbrook (9:05)

He had done it poorly.

Tom Holland (9:06)

But now he's. George III has forgiven Nelson.

Dominic Sandbrook (9:08)

That's right, yes. Because people will remember that Nelson was looking after. He was called William Henry at the time, wasn't he? Your future William iv. And when he's the king, when he's William iv, everybody thinks of him as jolly. Bluff. Yeah, bluff is the word.

Tom Holland (9:22)

You're legally required to use that word when describing him.

Dominic Sandbrook (9:25)

But actually, as a young man, he was just an absolutely dreadful person. He was the kind of person. There's the thing that our producers were telling us about people being banned from student unions when they wear chinos and blue shirts. Isn't that public schoolboys who are in hockey teams who get drunk and harass everybody.

Tom Holland (9:41)

Yeah.

Dominic Sandbrook (9:42)

This is William Henry, isn't it? This is absolutely William Henry and very much not Nelson. Yeah. Anyway, Nelson's been made a Knight of the Bath and he gets to choose his own coat of arms. And he absolutely goes for it, doesn't he? So his coat of arms has got a British sailor stamping on a Spanish flag and a lion ripping a Spanish flag apart with his teeth.

Tom Holland (10:03)

Does what it says on the tin.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:05)

Yeah. Would not be popular with the well dressed king of Spain.

Tom Holland (10:07)

No, they could fly it over welcome to Gibraltar.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:10)

Yeah, exactly. That's what they should do. So we shouldn't underplay Nelson's disability, I suppose?

Tom Holland (10:16)

No, not at all.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:17)

Because I mean it's a really, really serious business, isn't it? He can't see out of one eye, he's lost this arm above the elbow, he can't dress himself properly in the morning, like even to do up his britches, to fasten his coat, to put his stockings on and all this kind of thing, it's like a real effort.

Tom Holland (10:33)

So it's lucky he's got a faithful wife, isn't it, to help him.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:35)

Well, Fanny is amazing for him. She's so uncomplaining and patient and stuff. So he does have some things that are specially done for him. He has specially made shirts. Like you, Tom.

Tom Holland (10:45)

Yeah, like me.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:46)

Handmade shirts.

Tom Holland (10:47)

Yeah.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:48)

He has a special fork. I don't know if you have a fork like this. It's a fork their friend makes. It's like an ancestor of the spork kind of half fork, half knife.

Tom Holland (10:56)

So he could take it camping.

Dominic Sandbrook (10:57)

It's a brilliant. It's a camping fork, basically.

Tom Holland (10:59)

I mean he find the effort of cutting up food in public very humiliating, doesn't he? Because he's kind of chasing bits of meat around his plate and things.

Dominic Sandbrook (11:05)

Yeah. For somebody who fancies himself as a bit of a kind of, you know, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, it's not the image, is it?

Tom Holland (11:11)

No, not quite the look.

Dominic Sandbrook (11:13)

No, it's not the look.

Tom Holland (11:13)

But I think, I mean, more than anything it's just unbelievably painful, isn't it? I don't entirely understand the medicine of it, but there's a strand of silk that hasn't dropped off and this is causing him immense pain and it means that the wound can't heal, is that right? I think I've got that right.

Dominic Sandbrook (11:28)

Yeah, that's exactly it. So the wound is still open at the end of his arm because this silk thread has not fallen away. And he goes to see a surgeon in London and the surgeon says, look, it will eventually. There's nothing we can do but you can't go to sea really, while this is the case, because it could get infected.

Tom Holland (11:43)

Well, also, he's necking vast quantities of laudanum, isn't he?

Dominic Sandbrook (11:45)

Yeah, he is.

Tom Holland (11:46)

So he's off his face on opiate.

Dominic Sandbrook (11:47)

He is. So his mood, though, is perfectly matched to that of the country Britain has been fighting now for five years against revolutionary France, far longer than anybody imagined. France has proved a much more resilient, and indeed more than resilient, a formidable opponent. Revolutionary France, the British fleet people will remember, has been forced out of the Mediterranean. Britain's allies are dropping out of the war like flies. It's proved very expensive. The French have actually landed, at one point, a little raiding party at Fishgard in Wales. There's a great story, isn't it? The local towns women lined up in their Welsh hats. In their Welsh hats and the French mistook them for grenadiers or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And surrendered en masse. A great victory for the women of Wales. But news of that little invasion sparked a financial panic. So there was a huge run on the bank of England. A lot of country banks collapsed. And if you read Jenny Uglow's brilliant book about Britain and the Napoleonic wars, she has all this stuff, kind of letters from country parsons and things at this point, 1797, so we will be.

Tom Holland (12:53)

Doing a bonus with her.

Dominic Sandbrook (12:54)

Yeah.

Tom Holland (12:54)

So if you're a member of the Rest is History club, we will be talking to her about that book.

Dominic Sandbrook (12:58)

And that's a brilliant book about Britain in the 1790s.

Tom Holland (13:00)

Living in Britain through Napoleon's War, 1793-1815. Absolutely wonderful book.

Dominic Sandbrook (13:04)

Anyway, then there are a wave of mutinies in the spring of 1797, a few months before Nelson's return. There's been a mutiny at Spithead. Then there's been a mutiny at the Gnaw and a blockade of the Thames, actually, by the mutineers. I mean, this for the Royal Navy is an absolute nadir, is a shocking moment that the sword and shield of Britain can be disrupted in this way.

Tom Holland (13:26)

But what's amazing about this is that Nelson is very sympathetic to the Spithead mutineers, who he feel have been badly done by. Yeah, this is very much his kind of noblesse oblige, that those in the higher ranks owe a duty of care to those low down. And so he said of the Spithead mutiny, I was amazed to read this, the most manly thing I ever heard of. And does the British sailor infinite honor. And that's what he says to the Duke of Clarence, he was hang them all. And he says, no, no, we have a duty to them. He does view the ringleaders of the norm mutiny, though, as Jacobins, who are kind of misleading the honest British tar.

Dominic Sandbrook (14:02)

Right.

Tom Holland (14:03)

And he'd be all in favor of hanging them from the yard arm, which I think actually is what happens to them. I think they do all get hanged, don't they?

Dominic Sandbrook (14:08)

Yes, they are hanged. The ringleaders are hanged, I think, because there's a couple of different things happening at once. One is understandable. Anxiety and resentment at the kind of low pay, the fact they've been at sea for ages, the war has dragged on, bad food, all of that stuff. And then among some people, there's a radical sentiment and those two things have become mixed up.

Tom Holland (14:26)

That's at the norm.

Dominic Sandbrook (14:27)

Yeah. Anyway, for people in Britain, the news of the mutinies on top of everything else is really shocking. And then in October 1797, Britain's last major ally, Austria, signs a separate peace with France. And wouldn't you know it, not for the last time, Britain stands alone. And there's an amazing scene, actually. William Pitt, the Prime Minister, gets up in the Commons. And of course, Pitt is largely forgotten today, but it's a very Churchillian moment. He says, better to face danger accompanied with honor.

Tom Holland (14:58)

That's not how he speaks. He says danger accompanied with honor because he's about 10.

Dominic Sandbrook (15:03)

You've got to do it in Churchill's voice, otherwise it doesn't work than to accept indelible shame and disgrace.

Tom Holland (15:08)

Indelible shame and disgrace. And listeners can decide who's more accurate there.

Dominic Sandbrook (15:13)

Well, I mean, he's a very impressive man, William Pitt, so I don't think he sounded like Tom's version. Tom's version is from Blackadder, let's be honest. Anyway, Pitt says we need to fight on. We can't surrender everything that constitutes the pride, the safety and happiness of England. And he says all freeborn Britons must join hand and heart in a solemn pledge to fight for the laws, liberties and religion of our country. This is very stirring stuff. But actually this is the pretext for him to massively increase taxes. Yeah.

Tom Holland (15:40)

So it's kind of Rachel Reeves fiscal black hole, isn't there?

Dominic Sandbrook (15:43)

Exactly. He trebles taxes and announces the first income tax. So if you're a high earner, you will pay a tenth of your income over £200.

Tom Holland (15:54)

And also notoriously, he triples the window tax.

Dominic Sandbrook (15:56)

He does indeed. So all the bricked up windows that you sometimes see are from this moment, tax evasion. Exactly. So morale is pretty low, I think it's fair to say. And Nelson at this point gets a letter. He gets an invitation to go to a parade to bolster morale. The King wants to celebrate the three great victories they've had at sea. So that's Cape St. Vincent, and Nelson was involved against the Spanish. They won a tremendous victory at Camperdown against the Dutch.

Tom Holland (16:22)

And that's amazing, isn't it, because that's fought only a few weeks after the mutinies.

Dominic Sandbrook (16:26)

Yes.

Tom Holland (16:26)

I think it's Admiral Duncan, as in the gay pub in Soho?

Dominic Sandbrook (16:29)

I think that's right, yes.

Tom Holland (16:30)

Shall I tell you what Nam Roger said of that?

Dominic Sandbrook (16:33)

I'd love to hear it.

Tom Holland (16:34)

Of Camperdown. It bestowed for the first time on the Royal Navy something of the aura of invincibility which now hung about the French armies on land. I mean, he'd know about that.

Dominic Sandbrook (16:42)

Yeah.

Tom Holland (16:42)

And this, presumably, is why they're having this parade.

Dominic Sandbrook (16:45)

That's right.

Tom Holland (16:45)

Because essentially it's the only good news story they have.

Dominic Sandbrook (16:48)

Well, they have won three titanic naval battles.

Tom Holland (16:50)

Yeah.

Dominic Sandbrook (16:51)

The third one was called a battle with a brilliant name of the glorious first of June, because it's fought in the middle of nowhere in the Atlantic. And that was against the French a year earlier. So they've had three victories against the Spanish, the Dutch and the French. And previously victories had not been greeted by parades because they were seen as kind of populist, vulgar, the kind of thing people do, actually, in revolutionary France, Jacobin behavior. But the government feels they really need this parade, so they have it on the 19th of December. It's freezing cold, but tens of thousands of people turn out. Nelson wears his order, the Bath, and he's in charge of handing the Spanish flags to the dean of St. Paul's Cathedral, which is a kind of tribute to his newfound celebrity. But also, as John Sugden says in his biography, this is a moment kind of shadowed with irony because it's on this very spot, in just eight years time, that his own body will rest in the most famous state funeral in British history.

Tom Holland (17:47)

And this is why his story has such a quality of epic. I mean, it's full of these kind of ironies and foreshadowings and echoes. It's amazing.

Dominic Sandbrook (17:54)

Exactly. So the weeks after this great parade are quite bleak. Everybody is very anxious about the taxes and about the fact that Britain is now isolated in Europe. And there's a real sense, I think, about Britain gearing up almost reluctantly for this kind of total struggle. It is clearly now a Different kind of war from even the Seven Years War. I think it is a much more financially demanding and kind of emotionally demanding war, a genuinely national campaign. And it's about this point that some of William Pitt's spies start to bring whispers that on the other side of the Channel, the French are massing troops and preparing ships. And they eventually discover that as the supreme commander of this new army, the Directory who are running France have appointed the man who had carried all before him in Italy. And this, of course, is the Corsican, Napoleon Bonaparte. And what nobody knows is, are they planning an attack on the dockyards of across the Channel? Chatham, Tom, Chatham and Portsmouth.

Tom Holland (18:55)

Because we discussed this before, didn't we, that that would be the only way, really, that France could knock Britain out of the war, would be to destroy the dockyards.

Dominic Sandbrook (19:03)

Yeah. If you destroy the dockyards and win control of the Channel, you could then land troops. You don't necessarily need to, you know, if you can control the Channel, starve Britain out, starve Britain of supplies, they'd.

Tom Holland (19:14)

Be reduced to terms.

Dominic Sandbrook (19:15)

Yeah. Then Britain would have no choice but to come to terms. So no one really knows what their plan is. But by the early spring, there are more rumors reaching London and spy reports and things than the south of France in Toulon, which of course had been retaken by Napoleon. You remember that? Yes, that forensically researched scene of Napoleon looking out across the smoking harbor of Toulon, a cruel smile, I think, was playing on his lips, wasn't it, Tom?

Tom Holland (19:40)

But presumably because he had scabies, which he'd got from picking up the glove, wasn't it? That's well remembered in the course of that siege.

Dominic Sandbrook (19:47)

Yeah, he's like a Bond villain. He's not just crue and despotic, but he's physically malformed with scabies. Right. So from Toulon, there are reports this guy, Admiral Francois Paul Bruez, is assembling a fleet with more than a dozen warships and hundreds of transports. And the question which people in London are debating for week after week is where is the armament, as they call it? Where is it heading? So there are rumors that they're going to Greece, that Bonaparte has his eye set on Naples or Sicily, Constantinople, maybe even Egypt, but nobody knows for certain. And eventually the Admiralty decides, right, we will send a new squadron back to the Mediterranean to find out what on earth is going on with this enormous force being assembled in too long. But also because we want to fly the flag to try and persuade the Austrians somehow to get back into the war.

Tom Holland (20:43)

But it's a gamble, isn't it?

Dominic Sandbrook (20:45)

Of course.

Tom Holland (20:45)

Because the ships that will go into the Mediterranean have to come from St. Vincent's fleet, which are busy blocking Cadiz and patrolling the Atlantic seaboard of Iberia.

Dominic Sandbrook (20:55)

That's right.

Tom Holland (20:56)

So his fleet in turn has to be reinforced by ships from the Channel. So essentially, for as long as the British fleet is in the Mediterranean, the Channel fleet will have no strategic reserve. So it is a gamble.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:09)

Yeah, but you can't just allow this enormous fleet to rampage around unchecked.

Tom Holland (21:13)

Well, that's because you are Nelson and I am Hoffa.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:15)

Right.

Tom Holland (21:16)

Well, the nervous, twitchy.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:18)

You would have done nothing, Tommy, you'd have hunkered down.

Tom Holland (21:20)

I would.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:20)

Oh, no, you'd have lost the Napoleon. It was. What a terrible confession.

Tom Holland (21:24)

I would, I absolutely would. But you with your dash, had you been there, doubtless you'd have been given the command. Button said it goes to Nelson.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:30)

That's right, yeah. Sadly, it goes to Nelson. He is given the vanguard, excellent name for a ship, the 74 Gun Vanguard. And he is told, we want you to go into the Mediterranean and find this colossal enemy fleet and basically report on what's going on.

Tom Holland (21:44)

And he's given that command, isn't he? Partly, obviously, because he's the man of the hour. There's a sense that he's full of dash and initiative, but also I think, because there's a feeling that he's good at geopolitics as well.

Dominic Sandbrook (21:55)

Yeah.

Tom Holland (21:55)

Because presumably that British have no ports, no bases in the Mediterranean and so he'll need to find some of those. And that will require negotiation and diplomacy.

Dominic Sandbrook (22:04)

He will indeed. And supplies and water and all of this kind of stuff that they will need. You know, you need somebody who's really on top of this, which he absolutely is, on top of the paperwork side of things, I suppose. So he says farewell to Fanny and actually at this point everybody says Horatio and Fanny are very close. They have never seemed closer. They bought a new house together, Roundwood near Ipswich. And the indications are they're looking forward to making it their own. And there's a lovely story that one evening he has dinner with the First Lord of the Admiralty, Lord Spencer and Lady Spencer, this guy's wife and Lady Spencer remembered afterwards that the talk turned to how Nelson was going away and he'd be leaving Fanny behind. And he suddenly speaks very emotionally, and he says, Fanny is so lovely and she's so kind and she's so accomplished that I regard myself as the luckiest man in England. Her angelic tenderness to me, he says, has Been beyond imagination. She's dressed my wounds, she's cut up my meat, she's helped me get dressed, she's done all these things. And I really think, he says that she's saved my life because I was so depressed and she's helped me out of it. And he says to Lady Spencer, if anything happens to me while I'm away, I hope you'll always look after Fanny.

Tom Holland (23:20)

Well, something does happen to him while he's away. Yes, but it doesn't involve a cannonball.

Dominic Sandbrook (23:25)

Nothing good, I think it's fair to say, Tom. Nothing good. You know my views of this business.

Tom Holland (23:30)

We will discuss this.

Dominic Sandbrook (23:32)

Right. So he set sail from Portsmouth on the vanguard at the beginning of April, and for weeks you sail south. At the end of the month he reaches. You mentioned Cadiz. That's where Sir John Jervis, now the Earl of St. Vincent, is blockading the Spanish fleet. There's an awful lot of blockading in the Napoleonic wars, which is unbelievably boring to talk about.

Tom Holland (23:51)

Is it?

Dominic Sandbrook (23:52)

I think it is.

Tom Holland (23:53)

I think it's quite interesting because I think the supplying of it is so interesting.

Dominic Sandbrook (23:57)

Nothing happens.

Tom Holland (23:58)

No, but the fact these ships can stay out for month after month after month and be supplied, I mean, I find it amazing. But that's because I have an intense interest in the logistics of the Royal Navy. Of course, Dominic, and that may be a point of difference between us.

Dominic Sandbrook (24:10)

Of course I like close action, Tom. I'm itching to get into close action. You like Admiral Hotham? Actually, he would enjoy a blockade. Exactly.

Tom Holland (24:18)

Oh, let's not go anywhere near a can.

Dominic Sandbrook (24:20)

Right. Exactly. So, members of the Rest Is History Club, you can look forward to Tom doing loads of bonus episodes about a day by day account of a blockade of Cadiz that ends with no fighting whatsoever. Anyway, he meets up with St. Vincent and St. Vincent says, look, we've had no news of the French, We've had no sign of them. We don't really have any sense of what's going on. And he says to him, I will give you two ships, the Orion and the Alexander, and I'll give you three smaller frigates.

Tom Holland (24:46)

And Dominic, is there a recently published book that describes this scene?

Dominic Sandbrook (24:51)

Oh, do you want to read it or shall I read it?

Tom Holland (24:53)

Shall I read it?

Dominic Sandbrook (24:53)

You read it.

Tom Holland (24:54)

I'm going to read it.

Dominic Sandbrook (24:55)

But read it with the dignity and the respect that I think this prose deserves.

Tom Holland (24:58)

I will, I will. So this is. We're moving up here to the end of part one, and I can think of no better way than to read Something from Dominic's new book on Nelson. St. Vincent met his friend's eye and his face was grave. Nelson must remember, he said, that once he sailed east of Gibraltar, he would pass beyond help. Most of the Mediterranean ports were loyal to France. Now, if he needed supplies or repairs, the only reliable harbor was at Naples. And thanks to Bonaparte, Naples, independence hung by a thread. A thread. Nelson nodded. He knew the risks, but he also knew the stakes. Upon this mission depended the fate of the war, perhaps even the survival of Britain. But he felt no fear, just a quiet, calm resolve. And so, Dominic, on the 8th of May, 1798, he sets off through the Straits of Gibraltar east into the unknown.

Dominic Sandbrook (25:57)

What tension. What an incredible tension. Let's take a break, because I can hardly breathe.

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Yeah, everything.

Tom Holland (27:45)

So Nelson sailed east into the Mediterranean searching for this vast French fleet known as the Arbamant. There is a massive burden on him, isn't there? Because as we've said, the ships that he's taking into the Mediterranean essentially is the naval reserve that would help Britain to block a French crossing of the Channel.

Dominic Sandbrook (28:02)

Yeah, that's right.

Tom Holland (28:03)

He can't afford to lose it.

Dominic Sandbrook (28:04)

No, he can't. He does have something in his favor, which is that the two ships that St. Vincent has given him are really excellent ships. I mean, Nelson's delighted. They are the Alexander and the Orion. And these two captains are tremendous people. So the captain of the Alexander is a guy called Alexander Ball, and he's from Gloucestershire. He's a squire's son from Gloucestershire. He's a great reader. And I'm delighted to report that he was inspired to go to sea by reading Robinson Crusoe.

Tom Holland (28:31)

Well, Dominic, could I just intervene at this point? I know that Daisy Christodoulou, wonderful educationalist who came on and did the history of exams for us.

Dominic Sandbrook (28:40)

Yes.

Tom Holland (28:41)

She, I'm afraid, argues that Robinson Crusoe is wholly irrelevant and hasn't had any impact on history at all. I know she's a listener and I hope that when she hears this, she will go away and reflect on her error.

Dominic Sandbrook (28:52)

Yeah. Because the entire career of Alexander Ball, I know an important player at the Battle of the Nile, probably somebody who, had he not read Robinson Cruse. So, Tom, you and I might be speaking French. Imagine.

Tom Holland (29:02)

Yes. And Daisy would be doing her educationalist stuff in French, so she should reflect on that. And also, just to say, I mean, Nelson does really come to admire Alexander Ball, doesn't he? But I'm afraid to say that at one point, Alexander Ball had disgraced himself by wearing epaulettes in the French style.

Dominic Sandbrook (29:18)

Oh, no.

Tom Holland (29:19)

And Nelson didn't approve of this and thought him a great coxcomb.

Dominic Sandbrook (29:24)

That's terrible. Yeah.

Tom Holland (29:25)

But it all ends well. They end up great pals, don't they?

Dominic Sandbrook (29:27)

Yeah. Which actually is not the case with the other man. The other man is also a brilliant captain. He's called James Sommeray and he's from Guernsey. I mean, these are funny characters, all of these captains, because this guy Summeray is very sensitive and serious and he's always sinking into black dogs kind of depressions. And he and Nelson have a slightly more tense relationship, I think it's fair to say. But Nelson knows that he's a brilliant.

Tom Holland (29:49)

Captain and that's what really matters.

Dominic Sandbrook (29:50)

And that is what matters. Exactly.

Tom Holland (29:51)

Can he serve Britain? Yes. Then he's good.

Dominic Sandbrook (29:54)

And their crews love them. The three ships that he's got are as good as you could find anywhere in the world. Anyway, it's almost over before it begins, this mission, because just outside Toulon, they run into this massive storm. Nelson is a bit careless and heedless going into the storm because he's thinking only of the kind of political situation. So the Vanguard loses four of its masts and four sailors are swept over overboard. And Nelson is very shaken by this. He writes to Fanny and he says, you know, I had thought myself one of the most fortunate men to command such a squadron in such a place. My pride was too great. But the accidents which have happened to the vanguard were a just punishment for my vanity. I hope it has made me a better officer as I believe it has made me a better man. And actually I thought this would be a nice moment to stop and reflect on Nelson's character a bit because if you'd spoken to people in the Admiralty you could have heard very disobliging reports of Nelson. People might have said he's actually very vain, he's extremely annoying, you know, he's difficult, he's prickly, he's a bit of a nightmare. But I think what redeems him is precisely this quality that is expressed in the letter to Fanny. He is reflective about his own faults. He genuinely is incredibly hardworking and he's self improving and he's dedicated and resilient and all of these kinds of things.

Tom Holland (31:08)

I mean, I think the thing about losing the mast, it's often said that Nelson, you know, his seamanship was incomparable. I don't think that's quite true. It's not really his qualities of seamanship that make him the extraordinary naval commander that he is and he is capable of errors like that. I think also the other thing, it's something that Patrick O'Brien famously alludes to when Jack Aubrey talks about meeting Nelson and there's this kind of passage about, you know, he doesn't need a greatcoat in the cold because he's aflame with zeal for king and country. And Aubrey says coming from anyone else this would have sounded ludicrous, melodramatic, overwrought, but coming from him, you know, you felt, yeah, that's great. And there's something about that, you know, the letter to Fanny isn't there? I hope it has made me a better officer as I believe it has made me a better man.

Dominic Sandbrook (31:52)

Yeah.

Tom Holland (31:52)

Had he not been intensely burningly serious when he wrote that, it would have just seemed ludicrous.

Dominic Sandbrook (31:58)

I think that's the thing, isn't it? Nelson is an extremely earnest man. I wouldn't credit him with too much of a sense of humor. No, he's not funny and he's certainly not self deprecating and I don't think he would be a man who would enjoy jokes about the Royal Navy. He's so committed. He has this kind of moral earnestness. And actually, if you think about our podcast that we did about the French Revolution, you know, moral earnestness is the.

Tom Holland (32:21)

Character of the age, isn't it?

Dominic Sandbrook (32:22)

It's absolutely a character of the age. I suppose it's the early age of romanticism, isn't it? And it's kind of part of that vibe.

Tom Holland (32:27)

But I think he takes cliche and cracks it up to such a pitch that the cliche becomes kind of Homeric.

Dominic Sandbrook (32:35)

Yes. Storm clouds of war hanging by a.

Tom Holland (32:37)

Thread, and people thrill to it. You know, people who would laugh if it came from anyone else find it utterly inspiring.

Dominic Sandbrook (32:43)

But that's why I think the character that he most resembles in British history is Churchill. Churchill is exactly the same, I'm a great man, all that kind of rubbish. And then when Churchill says, you know, in the Second World War, what's he say to the Tory MPs or something? If this island story of ours to end here, let it end when we're all choking in our own blood on the ground. I mean, if somebody says that in real life, if Theo said that about the rest is history, we just laughed. Geir Starmo would never say that in a million years. But I think there's a.

Tom Holland (33:13)

What's a histrionic quality that is elevated to the operatic, you might say.

Dominic Sandbrook (33:17)

Exactly. The operatic quality of Nelson, I think, is exactly right. I'm amazed. Have there not been operas about Nelson? There must have been.

Tom Holland (33:23)

There should be. I mean, there's quite a lot of music, as we may see in the second part of our series. Yes, but not an opera, I think.

Dominic Sandbrook (33:28)

So anyway. They have not been wrecked. So they continue. And they approach Toulon. It is clear the French are long gone from too long.

Tom Holland (33:36)

So now, basically, they're looking for a needle in a haystack.

Dominic Sandbrook (33:38)

They are. I mean, the huge expanse of the Mediterranean. To find this fleet is going to be really tough. They then spot a sort of sail. It's a brig, and it's come from St. Vincent. He has sent, of all people, Hardy, Thomas Masterman Hardy, who's now a commodore. And Hardy says, we've heard intelligence. We have news. This enormous fleet has been spotted heading towards Italy. At least a dozen ships of the line, hundreds of transports. The orders have changed. We want you to intercept this fleet and we will be sending reinforcements for you to do this. So your old mate, Thomas Trubridge of Tenerife fame is on his way.

Tom Holland (34:16)

Hates the French, he does.

Dominic Sandbrook (34:17)

Hate The French with a passion, with 11 more ships and you know, go for it. Now. This is a campaign of annihilation.

Tom Holland (34:24)

And so he's told that he's being sent the elite of the Navy of England. But there is one big drawback, which is that there's a lack of cruisers, an order of ship that had begun to be constructed the previous year and are designed for speed and obviously they would be ideal if you're looking for a fleet. And St. Vincent actually sends Nelson nine of these cruisers, but for kind of concatenation of reasons, only one reaches him. And so this will be a real problem for Nelson over the next few weeks because he just lacks the resources necessary to find an expedition.

Dominic Sandbrook (34:57)

Yeah. So he now has 14 fighting ships and they are, as you said, Tom, they're the elite of the Royal Navy. And he's also got supplies for three months, so bread and oranges and beef and all that stuff.

Tom Holland (35:08)

Literal bullocks.

Dominic Sandbrook (35:09)

Literal bullocks. We have Truebridge and the Culloden. We have Henry Destay at Derby and the Bellerophon, Thomas Foley and Goliath. These are the cream of the crop of the Royal Navy. These are people at Nelson's level, really, you know, brilliant commanders in extremely well disciplined, well trained ships.

Tom Holland (35:29)

So like the cream of the English peerage at the Battle of Agincourt. Dominic.

Dominic Sandbrook (35:32)

Well, that's the comparison, isn't it? That is the comparison because we talked in the very first episode about how Nelson clearly must have loved Shakespeare at school because he's got this absolute fixation on Henry V and on the idea of the Band of Brothers and this. Now the reason we've mentioned all these people is that this is the Band of Brothers. He has this romantic yearning, I guess, that these are like, you know, Alexander the Great's companions or Henry V's paladins before Agincourt. These are the people who will stand together in the darkest hour, you know, shoulder to shoulder, all of this kind of thing, which Nelson absolutely believes him.

Tom Holland (36:07)

And it is said of Nelson that there was never an admiral who was more open to being approached by his fellow captains.

Dominic Sandbrook (36:14)

Yeah, because his way of working is he will have them over, won't he, for dinner and stuff.

Tom Holland (36:19)

A touch of Nelson.

Dominic Sandbrook (36:20)

Exactly. The Nelson touch over their kind of spotted dog and kind of steak pudding or whatever. They will talk on and on about the tactics and the plan. He's very open and very generous, which is unusual.

Tom Holland (36:33)

Yeah.

Dominic Sandbrook (36:34)

I mean, obviously there is a hierarchy and they do defer to him, but by the standards of the time, he's much less strict.

Tom Holland (36:42)

He wants to hear what they've got to say and obviously they have a lot to discuss because they don't know where this is armament is heading and they've got to try and work it out, haven't they?

Dominic Sandbrook (36:49)

Exactly. So here are the options. It could well be heading for southern Italy to basically snuff out the Kingdom of Naples. It could head to Greece. Greece is part of the Ottoman Empire but a lot of the Ottoman Empire feels like it's ripe for the plucking. So it could be going to Greece. There's talk of Constantinople. There is also talk of going further east, going southeast towards Egypt. You mentioned Egypt earlier. There are some rumors that the French have been lining up scholars and scientists and they've got some crazy operation in mind.

Tom Holland (37:20)

Very far fetched though, isn't it?

Dominic Sandbrook (37:21)

Very far fetched.

Tom Holland (37:22)

Go all the way to Egypt. I mean, very unlikely.

Dominic Sandbrook (37:24)

I mean there are even rumors that the French have dispatched agents to India and that there is something brewing. Perhaps an attack on the East India Company.

Tom Holland (37:32)

I mean it's a dream. Mad in the way that Alexander the Great's dreams were mad. I mean, just wholly implausible.

Dominic Sandbrook (37:38)

Exactly, Tom. Exactly. So everybody back home in Britain is following this. I mean they're following us at weeks behind at one point remove. So they're reading the newspapers and there is a sort of an immense nervousness. You know, Fanny pouring over the papers for reports of her husband. The people at the Admiralty waiting all the time. Where is this armament heading? One of them writes, an Admiralty official writes on the success or destruction of Bonapart's fleet. An event of great moment. Not to us alone but to all Europe may depend.

Tom Holland (38:10)

Amazing. But you know that they. They can't find it. It seems to have vanished into the air. And John Sugden in his, I mean incomparable biography of Nelson sums it up gloriously so. He writes mysteriously. No one had heard a reliable word about the French. They seem to be phantasms capable of materializing and dematerializing at their pleasure. It's like something out of science fiction. It is a kind of alien fleet with, you know, invisibility shields or something.

Dominic Sandbrook (38:38)

That's exactly what it is. Because the Mediterranean is a million square miles of sea. And wherever they go they hear rumors but nothing's certain. They go to Naples and Troubridge goes ashore to consult with the British envoy in Naples, Sir William Hamilton. He's there for two hours and then he comes back to the ship and he says Hamilton is sure of it. They're heading for Sicily. They sail south through the Straits of Messina, past Etna smoking. On the horizon, they spot another brig. And the captain of this brig says, I've heard reports of French flags flying over Malta, but. So they've taken Malta, and that's crucial, isn't it?

Tom Holland (39:16)

Because Malta is the pivot between the eastern and the western half of the Mediterranean. So whoever controls Malta essentially controls the hinge on which sea routes through the Mediterranean operate. Slightly makes you my metaphors there, I think, but you know what I mean.

Dominic Sandbrook (39:30)

No, I think it's a powerful description, Tom.

Tom Holland (39:33)

Thank you, Dominic.

Dominic Sandbrook (39:34)

So Bonaparte has moved on. He's gone past Malta, Greece, Constantinople, Egypt. Why would he make for Egypt? I mean, this is the question that must be in Nelson's mind. Egypt is technically a province of the Ottoman Empire, but in practice it has been run for centuries by the Mamelukes. So they're the descendants of the Turkic slave soldiers of the Ottomans. On paper, the Mamelukes are neutral. But if Bonaparte could get Egypt, that basically gives him the whole of the southeastern Mediterranean. And it also means it gives him ports on the Red Sea from which the French could strike east to hoover up the British trade with India. So maybe that stuff, those reports about French agents out there in the east moving through the bazaars.

Tom Holland (40:26)

Their mastery of tongues.

Dominic Sandbrook (40:28)

Exactly.

Tom Holland (40:28)

Maybe mastery of disguise.

Dominic Sandbrook (40:30)

Maybe there's something in it. It's very GR Green mantle. It's very John Buck and all this, isn't it? So Nelson has this crucial conference. He invites the four captains to whom he's closest, I.e. trueBridge, ball, summary and Derby aboard the Vanguard. And he says, right, we have three possible courses of action here. We could attack Malta, turf out the French garrison and try to retake Malta. But that means, you know, the armament is sailing around and we've, you know, we don't know what it's doing. We could head back towards Sicily and Naples in case this is all a ruse and that's what the French have in mind. Or we could turn south towards Egypt. And he says to the other captains, and I quote, should the armament be gone to Alexandria and get safe there, our possessions in India are probably lost. Do you think we had better push for that place? And then he hands out. It's a very kind of dramatic moment.

Tom Holland (41:28)

Brilliant, yeah.

Dominic Sandbrook (41:28)

Four pieces of paper. And he says, each of you write your answer on this piece of paper. And one by one they write the same word. Alexandria. It's a brilliant. It's a brilliant moment.

Tom Holland (41:40)

So off to Alexandria. They Head and the wind is behind them and they make tremendous speed and they don't know it, but as they are heading, they pass perilously close to the French army. I mean, unbelievably close. Yeah, maybe a couple further miles south than they would have seen it. But anyway, on they go. And a week later, on 29 June, they sail into Alexandria, one of the most romantic, historic cities in the whole of the Mediterranean.

Dominic Sandbrook (42:09)

I mean, imagine that, you know, they are in the great drama of the age themselves, but they're against a backdrop that is. That couldn't be bettered.

Tom Holland (42:18)

Well, we've already mentioned Alexander, haven't we? I mean, this is founded by Alexander the Great. It's where. Where Antony, Cleopatra hung out. It's one of the great cities of Christianity and Islam. I mean, incredible.

Dominic Sandbrook (42:30)

For somebody who conceives of himself as an operatic figure, as the hero of a great melodrama, what a moment.

Tom Holland (42:37)

But to be a hero of a great melodrama, you don't want to look like an idiot. And Nelson looks like an idiot because there's no sign of the French. They've called it wrong.

Dominic Sandbrook (42:46)

They arrive and there's nothing. He sends Hardy ashore to talk to the locals, and Hardy comes back and he says, nothing. No sign of the French. There's been no reports of the French.

Tom Holland (42:55)

I mean, what a devastating moment for Nelson. Crushing.

Dominic Sandbrook (42:58)

Because time is of the essence. He doesn't have that many supplies, and getting supplies in what is a French lake is so difficult. And he knows that every day lost is a day that the French could be, you know, laying siege to Constantinople, laying siege to Naples, who knows? Yeah, he has made a terrible mistake, and they are probably heading to either Constantinople or Naples and he must hurry. So the very next day, the 30th, he says, we're not waiting any more time in Alexandria. We have to get out and get on with the hunt. And they make sail. And unbelievably, one day and one hour later, Bonaparte sails into Alexandria.

Tom Holland (43:39)

And this, of course, is one of the pivotal moments in world history. It's a moment where you could say the age of European imperialism really begins. This is where the 19th century, perhaps in global terms, starts. And we have already done an episode on it, haven't we? We did an episode on Napoleon in Egypt.

Dominic Sandbrook (43:57)

Yeah.

Tom Holland (43:58)

And it's an incredible story. So for Napoleon, attacking Egypt is an attack on Britain. So he describes that expedition as being the left wing of the army of England. To destroy England thoroughly, we must seize Egypt because then they can throttle Britain's trade with India and maybe, maybe win India. That's the way Napoleon thinks to get at Britain. But it's also much more than that. The fantasy of being a new Alexander is playing in Napoleon's mind. In his cabin, he has a huge library full of books. You know, the books of Greek and Roman history that he had so loved as a boy. He's reading them through to inspire him. He literally sees himself as the new Alexander the Great. So I saw myself marching to Asia mounted on an elephant, a turban on my head, and in my hand a new Quran that I would have composed to suit my needs. So we talked about, about Nelson being histrionic and operatic. I mean, Napoleon is in a different order, but there is also the fact that this is an expedition that will open the eyes of Europe to the reality of Egypt. Egypt as an Islamic country that can be studied in the way that savants might study plants or wildlife or whatever, but also, of course, the great center of pharaonic history. And this is why Napoleon is taking savants with him. It's an expedition not just of imperial conquest, but of the Enlightenment, laying claim to the study of the world. And so you might well say that that's also an imperial project. So he takes teams of savants with him, philosophers. He takes a printing press that he'd nicked from the Fatican.

Dominic Sandbrook (45:38)

Oh, yes.

Tom Holland (45:38)

Which can print in Latin, in Arabic and Syriac, and he even takes a hot air balloon. I mean, it is an extraordinary story. And if you have any interest in it and haven't heard the episode that we did when about three years ago, I think something like that. Do listen to that.

Dominic Sandbrook (45:52)

Absolutely.

Tom Holland (45:53)

I slightly perhaps underplayed the military dimensions of this. I mean, so he's brought 40,000 soldiers, he's got 20,000 sailors. This is an enormous amphibious expedition and.

Dominic Sandbrook (46:03)

Very successful because it takes him three weeks and three weeks after landing, he smashes the Mameluke army at the Battle of the Pyramids.

Tom Holland (46:10)

Yes, soldiers. What is it? Something 4000 years of history gaze down upon you?

Dominic Sandbrook (46:16)

Exactly.

Tom Holland (46:16)

In other words, to that point.

Dominic Sandbrook (46:16)

Exactly. I mean, he too, of course, Napoleon too, who regards himself as an operatic figure. And I mean, that's the joy of this story, actually. I can't think of many moments in history that really match it where everybody is conscious of that they're playing a part on the greatest stage of all. And on the 24th of July, he marches into Cairo. He is now the master of Egypt. So Napoleon, it seems, has won. Now, meanwhile, Nelson has been sailing east, still searching for this fleet. He cruised along the coast of Turkey and then he turned back east towards Sicily. At this point, he's running out of supplies, fruit and water. They head back towards Sicily. They stop at Syracuse. Here they get new intelligence from Naples. The French have not passed Naples. They have not gone through into the western Mediterranean. They have not landed in Italy. They've definitely gone east again. It's probably about this point that Nelson has his captains for dinner and he says, you know, time is running out, but I think we've clearly narrowed down. They must be somewhere out there in the east. And when we find them, this is what we will do. It's not Admiral Hotham, it's not a blockade.

Tom Holland (47:26)

Well, we attack them.

Dominic Sandbrook (47:27)

We go straight at them.

Tom Holland (47:29)

Amazing.

Dominic Sandbrook (47:30)

And wipe them off the face of the sea. And this is unusual at the time, right? We talked in previous episodes.

Tom Holland (47:36)

Becoming less unusual, I think, isn't it?

Dominic Sandbrook (47:38)

Nelson is drawing on Captain Locker and Admiral Hood and all of these people who have been his great patrons.

Tom Holland (47:44)

St. Vincent had done it.

Dominic Sandbrook (47:46)

St. Vincent had done it. But he says, look, this is what we're doing. It is all or nothing. We risk everything, we just go for it. An aggressive strategy and the aim is.

Tom Holland (47:56)

A battle of annihilation, isn't it? If they can wipe out the French fleet, then Napoleon's military victory on land will count for nothing.

Dominic Sandbrook (48:02)

Exactly.

Tom Holland (48:03)

They'll be stranded there.

Dominic Sandbrook (48:04)

So a strategy in which we have an overall plan, but within that you have a degree of discretion and to use your initiative. I mean, he trusts his captains, his captains are delighted. And after four days, they set off again. They are drilling now with their guns all the time, but of course they.

Tom Holland (48:18)

Still don't know where he is, where Napoleon is.

Dominic Sandbrook (48:20)

No itching for battle. There is a real sense of mounting tension now because time is so short. They get letters from London and Elton opens one of them and a diplomat says to him, the eyes of all Europe are upon you. You know, you've got to do this now. They return to Greece. They reach a place called Coroni at the very bottom tip of the Peloponnese, and Troubridge goes ashore to find information. And he comes back within hours and he's bursting with news. He says the Ottoman governor says he has had definite confirmation they are in Alexandria after all. So again, Nelson turns south and he spreads his sails to catch the wind. He can't sleep. He's pacing the quarter deck. And they rush and they rush. At 10am on 1 August, the lookout on the Alexander spies in the horizon, the kind of telltale gray blur of land. And within, you know, an hour or so, news comes to Nelson. There are French tricolour flags flying over Alexandria. There are French transports in the harbour, empty. The French army has landed and has moved on. Egypt has fallen. And one of Nelson's captains said later that at that moment they felt, quote, utterly hopeless and out of spirits. They've been pursuing the French for hundreds of miles. They've pushed their ships and their men to the limit and they have failed. The French have got the foothold in Egypt they wanted.

Tom Holland (49:47)

And of course there's the risk, isn't there, that the fleet will have gone somewhere safer?

Dominic Sandbrook (49:52)

Exactly. That's the one crumb of consolation, the one possibility of redemption, the one flickering of hope, that last flicker of hope exactly, is if they can find that French fleet, just maybe the French admiral may have taken the fleet down the coast and parked it in a harbor closer to Cairo. If they can get it and destroy it, then everything Bonaparte will have done will be for nothing because the French army will be stranded and cut off from supplies and his conquests will just be ephemeral.

Tom Holland (50:22)

And Dominic, just to say that the French high command in the Navy had wanted to withdraw. They'd wanted to withdraw to the Ionian Islands, but. But Napoleon has said no. Yeah, and it's. Well, we'll find out in the next episode whether it's a fateful mistake or not.

Dominic Sandbrook (50:35)

So Nelson says to the captains of the Zealous and the Goliath, just quickly head east along the coast. It won't take long. We know from our charts there's a deep harbor at Abu Kir Bay, which is quite close to the mouth of the Nile. Just have a look down along the coast. They go east and at 2 o'clock that afternoon, they approach the delta of the nile. And at 2:30, a midshipman, 16 years old, George Eliot.

Tom Holland (51:02)

Not the novelist, obviously.

Dominic Sandbrook (51:03)

It's in. The novelist is on the highest yards of the Goliath with a telescope to his eye. And then he sees something in the distance. It's like the scene from Master and Commander. Thirteen ships of the line, four frigates, five brigs and bomb vessels, their French flags fluttering in the breeze. Tom, they have found them.

Tom Holland (51:28)

What a cliffhanger. And in the final episode of this season, we will tell the story of what happens next. The Battle of the Nile. And if you just can't wait, then you can head to the restless history.com to join the club. Obviously, if you're already a Subscriber like Nelson, go straight in, don't delay. England expects goodbye.

Dominic Sandbrook (52:04)

Now, Tom, we have something unbelievably exciting to share with our listeners, don't we?

Tom Holland (52:09)

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Dominic Sandbrook (52:39)

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Tom Holland (53:01)

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Dominic Sandbrook (53:14)

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Tom Holland (53:17)

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Tom Holland (53:49)

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Dominic Sandbrook (54:01)

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Tom Holland (54:17)

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