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Dominic Sandbrook
I drank tea at Davis's in Russell
James Boswell (quoted)
street, and about seven came in the great Mr. Samuel Johnson, whom I have so long wished to see. Mr. Davis introduced me to him, as I knew his mortal antipathy of the Scotch. I cried to Davis, who don't tell where I come from. However, he said, from Scotland. Mr. Johnson said, I, indeed I come from Scotland, but I canna help it, sir. Replied he, that I find is what a very great many of your countrymen cannot help. Mr. Johnson is a man of a most dreadful appearance. He's a very big man, is troubled with sore eyes, the palsy and the king's evil. He is very slovenly in his dress and speaks with a most uncouth voice. Yet his great knowledge and strength of expression command vast respect, and they render him very excellent company. He has great humour and he is a worthy man, but his dogmatical roughness of manners is disagreeable.
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Dominic Sandbrook
So that is arguably the most famous meeting in British literary history, perhaps all literary history. It took place in in Thomas Davis's bookshop off Covent Garden in London on 16 May 1763. Now, one of these people was then unknown, but the other one was already a celebrity. This was the great Mr. Samuel Johnson. He was a 53 year old poet, he was a biographer, he was a critic, he was a great essayist on morals, and he was what's called a lexicographer, which means somebody who basically wrote down the definition of words and compiled dictionaries. And Mr. Samuel Johnson had lived for decades in obscurity and indeed in relative poverty. But in recent years, before this meeting in 1763, he had emerged to become one of the preeminent, well, let's use the word celebrities of Georgian London, fated across Britain and known indeed, across Europe. So, Tom, tell us all about German Dr. Johnson.
Tom Holland
So, yeah, he is absolutely, by this point, the dominant literary figure in London, and he is feared as well as admired. So he's been given this nickname, the Great Cham, which is basically, you know, like the Cham is Khan, so like Genghis Khan or Kubla Khan, that kind of thing. And it implies an idea that he's an Oriental despot of literature. And you get that in the sense of how Boswell describes him, you know, refers to his dogmatical roughness of manners. And Johnson was very capable of aggression in his arguments, but he was also very much loved. He had an incredible genius for friendship. And by this point, he stands at the centre of a social circle that included some of the most brilliant and famous men of the age. So that would include David Garrick, the great actor Joshua Reynolds, famous portrait painter Edmund Burke, who we've talked about a lot in the context of the French Revolution, one of the most brilliant parliamentarians and orators of his age. And all of these people felt like planets revolving around the sun. That was Samuel Johnson. And this is because he was, above all, perhaps even more than a great writer. He was one of the supreme talkers of history. And I would guess that in British culture, probably Oscar Wilde is his only rival as the most quoted conversationalist in English. So even now, you know, centuries on from Johnson's time, lots of his comments are still very familiar. So patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Yeah, when a man is tired of London, he's tired of life, the triumph of hope over experience as a description of a second marriage. And to hear Johnson talk by this point, had become one of the supreme pleasures of London life. He'd basically become a kind of enormous tourist attraction. And there's a problem, obviously, with reports by people that this was a great conversationalist before the age of audio recording, because conversation, by definition, as words are spoken, then they fall silent. And so we are told that Cicero was a great conversationalist, or Sei Shonegun, the Japanese writer who we did an episode on last year, but we have no real idea what it was like to listen to these people. We have no real record of Cicero's conversation. But with Johnson, it's different because we can hear him talk more clearly, more completely, than any person before him who had ever lived. And so I think that that kind of, in and of itself makes him A brilliant topic for a history podcast because it's amazing to hear someone from so long ago. The kind of the. The genuine timbre of what he was saying. But of course, people may be wondering, how on earth do we have such detailed records of his conversation?
Dominic Sandbrook
Well, that's down to the man with whom we began the show. So that's his biographer, James Boswell, who at this point was a young man from Scotland. He was only aged 22, and he's a pretty remarkable man in his. In his own way, isn't he? Not, I think, as remarkable as Johnson, but still a fascinating character.
Tom Holland
Well, I think in many ways he is as remarkable as Johnson. It's just that for many, many years this wasn't apparent. And the way in which it became clear to people that actually Boswell was, you know, was an extraordinary writer and innovator is something that we'll talk about over the course of this series. But just to give a sketch of who Boswell was, I mean, for starters, his. His accent was probably not as Scottish as you suggested, because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to disguise the fact that he was, in fact, Scottish. He had been born to privilege, unlike Samuel Johnson, and he was the heir to a long line of lairds in Scotland, and his father was the laird of a place called Affleck. So a bit like Ben, but it's actually, if you read it, you would think it was Auchinleck, which is how I always assumed it was, but I then discovered wasn't. And the Laird of Auchinleck, Boswell's father, was absolutely, from central casting, very stern, very moralistic, very Presbyterian, exactly what you would expect a kind of mid 18th century Laird would be like. But Boswell himself, kind of almost as if in reaction to his father, was everything that the Laird of Affleck wasn't. He was very gregarious. He was very kind of open nature, Richard. He was absolutely obsessed by sex, particularly at this age. I mean, he just can't stop going on about it. He has a brilliant biographer, John Wayne, who is not the. The actor, but a poet and biographer. And he kind of perfectly describes Boswell as half ludicrous, half lovable. And part of what makes him ludicrous is that he's absolutely obsessed by celebrity. And you kind of havered over whether to describe Johnson as a celebrity, but there is something very contemporary about Boston Boswell's obsession with bagging famous people. You know, he'd absolutely be a person for a selfie today. And he had actually been stalking Johnson for weeks before he finally got to meet him in that bookshop. And the account of it that we began this episode with is from the journal entry that Boswell wrote that evening after he had met Johnson. And it is one of countless number of journal entries, because if there was one thing that Boswell adored as much as meeting famous people, it was writing up details of the famous people that he. He had met. He was absolutely relentless. He had this completely obsessional sense of industry, and he does meet loads and loads of famous people. But I think his meeting with Johnson was, for him, one of the great turning points of his life, and indeed, one of the great turning points in British literature.
Dominic Sandbrook
At first, Boswell is very anxious, isn't he, that Johnson will find out he's Scottish. And Johnson, of course, does find it out, but their bromance, as it were, begins pretty quickly, doesn't it? So just a few weeks after they've met, Johnson says to him, give me your hand. I've taken a liking to you. And from that point on, you know, they are. They're best friends.
Tom Holland
Well, they're not best friends, but they're definitely very close to each other. And their friendship lasts for 21 years until Johnson dies in 1784. And by that time, Boswell has compiled what he describes as a vast treasure of his conversation at different times. And Boswell isn't exaggerating. I mean, he has reams and reams of accounts of what Johnson had said over the course of these two decades. And it enabled him, in 1791, to publish one of the great classics of British literature, the Life of Samuel Johnson. And I think it is easily the greatest and most influential biography in the English language. And it is a work that brought a man back to life more fully, I think, than anyone had ever been brought back to life before him. And just to lay my cards on the table, it is my personal desert island book. It is incredibly entertaining and makes you feel like you're watching a fly on the wall documentary to a degree that nothing else quite like it does. It's an absolutely astonishing work.
Dominic Sandbrook
Well, to pursue this idea of the documentary, the thing about Boswell's life of Johnson is it's not just a portrait of a man, it's a window onto an age. And this age is the 18th century. So Georgian Britain, and Georgian Britain is a subject that we haven't really done massively on the podcast and actually doesn't really feature. It's a weird thing. It's a weird kind of lacuna. I think it's a bit of a black hole in the British national imagination, which is odd because it's the 18th century that the Kingdom of Great Britain is created. It's the 18th century that it becomes the world's greatest industrial pioneer, the world's greatest commercial power, that the British Empire takes its place as a kind of superpower on the world stage. It's in the 18th century that Britain establishes the template for modernity. And actually what Boswell's Life of Johnson gives you, it gives you a sense of the kind of the teeming streets of London, the extremes of wealth and povert, all the habits and hobbies that made George and Britain tick. So everything from tea to wigs to brandy to stage coaches, all of those kinds of things. It gives us a window onto the politics of the day. Again, something we haven't touched at all, really, in the rest is history and something that goes almost unmentioned in popular history in Britain. So this is 18th century Whigs and Tories, arguments about slavery, arguments about Jacobitism, about the Seven Years War, the American Revolution and so on, and actually the American Revolution. I mean, one of the great things about Samuel Johnson is he has very, very sound views on the tax revolt of the 1770s, doesn't he?
Tom Holland
Yeah. So this is, to quote Boswell in his biography, Johnson is kind of chatting away, he's having a cup of tea, he's been a very amiable mood and then suddenly he goes berserk. He said, I'm willing to love all mankind except an American. And Boswell puts except an American in italics and his inflammable corruption bursting into horrid fire. He breathed out threatenings and slaughter, calling them rascals, robbers, pirates. So our American listeners, I hope, will enjoy that. So you've got. Yeah, so you've got all of those kind of aspects of 18th century life. And then of course you have the friendship between Johnson, who's this kind of occasionally choleric Englishman.
Dominic Sandbrook
He's the most English Englishman, arguably, who's ever lived.
Tom Holland
Yeah. And I think, Dominic, that there are elements of Johnson in you.
Dominic Sandbrook
You're not wrong, Tom. I mean, he's a brilliant man, let's be honest, and he's from the Midlands.
Tom Holland
Exactly. So. And then you have Boswell, who is a romantically patriotic Scot. And so the friendship between them offers a brilliant window onto, you know, this broader relationship, as you said, is evolving over the course of the 18th century, and that is between the two countries that are now part of a united Kingd England and Scotland. So the act of Union that had created the United Kingdom of Great Britain had been passed back in 1707. And as you can see from Johnson's slightly performative scotophobia, there are still plenty of people in both kingdoms, England and Scotland, half a century and more on, who aren't really happy at finding themselves in this United Kingdom. And I think it's, you know, it's evident from Boswell as well, because when he comes to write up that record in his journals and put it in. In the biography, he slightly expands on how mortified he'd felt that. That opening gambit of his. So his. His comment, indeed, I come from Scotland, but I cannot help it. He's worried that this might have seemed, as he puts it, a humiliating abasement at the expense of my country. He doesn't. That hadn't been at all what he'd meant. But Johnson's response that I find is what a very great many of your countrymen cannot help. What Johnson is saying is, yeah, of course, you know, London is absolutely heaving with people who have come from Scotland, I. E. Immigrants from Scotland who are cluttering up the streets and taking jobs or whatever. So there's a definite sense of tension there. But, you know, as I say, they have this. This great friendship emerges, and I think that it can be seen almost as a metaphor for how England and Scotland over the second half of the 18th century start to be reconciled, start to kind of build a common country together.
Dominic Sandbrook
There's a particular moment, isn't there, that symbolizes this. And this is one of the most famous moments in the Johnson Boswell friendship, actually one of the most famous expeditions of the 18th century, when Boswell, overcoming Johnson's, as you said, slightly performative disdain for Scotland, he persuades Johnson to come with him to the very wildest, remotest, and most Scottish bits of Scotland.
Tom Holland
Yeah. Which are the Hebrides. And so they go on this amazing road trip in 1773 sea, right out into kind of the loneliest, wildest island in the North Atlantic. And it's one of the great adventures of early tourism, and we will be coming to it in due course.
Dominic Sandbrook
Right. Well, before we get to Scotland, let us begin. We'll begin where we ought to begin, where all podcasts should begin, and we'll begin in the Midlands. So we're going to begin with, not with Boswell, but with the older man, with Samuel Johnson, the man who reigned like a. Like a despot over 18th century literary London. So the thing is, when. When Boswell meets him, Johnson is A celebrity. But he's 53 years old and for most of those 53 years he's been effectively a nobody. Nobody's been writing down what he did. Nobody's cared that he even exists. He has been toiling in obscurity. So take us into Johnson's background.
Tom Holland
Well, I mean, the thing that's amazing, that he, you know, he becomes the great cham, this kind of despot ruling literary London. It's not just how long it takes him to reach this status, but the depths of disadvantage from which he emerges. And he has so much going against him. So first, his background. We've said that Boswell is the son of a Laird Johnson comes from much humbler origins. So his father, Michael Johnson, is a bookseller and he lived in Lichfield, which is a very ancient town in the Midlands. So my father briefly lived, actually. And at the time, the Midlands, as you all well know, Dominic, were experiencing kind of explosive growth, cradle and modernity. And so Birmingham, which is a close neighbour of Litchfield at this point, is probably the fastest growing city on the face of the planet. You know, industrialization is starting to kick in. Lots and lots of money is being made. And this might have seemed good news for Michael with his bookshop, but the problem is he's a terrible businessman. He has absolutely no head for figures at all. And so he is constantly teetering on the edge of financial ruin. Johnson's mother, Sarah, she prided herself on coming from a slightly superior family background to that of her husband. And she does have, you know, occasionally, as we will see, legacies come in. There are ways of sourcing money sometimes. But she finds herself being dragged down into the financial bis by her husband and anyone who's read 18th or 19th century literature. It's a very, very familiar story. The kind of shopkeeper who wants to maintain respectability but ends up ultimately ruined. And this is Johnson's background.
Dominic Sandbrook
It's a little bit of the Micawber's about them, I think.
Tom Holland
Well, yes, except that there's ultimately no saving them, as we will see.
Dominic Sandbrook
So the infant Samuel, he gets, you know, it's not the most propitious kickoff, but also he gets a very, very unfortunate start in life for health reasons, doesn't he?
Tom Holland
Yes. So this is the other factor that makes Johnson's kind of rise to literary fame so extraordinary. He has terrible health all his life. And the reason for this, I mean, it's kind of tragic. His mother is to blame. So she's 40 when she gives birth to Samuel, which is, you know, Old for. Certainly for. For the 18th century. And so she. She's worried about whether she can give Samuel the milk that he will need. And so she looks around for a younger wet nurse and finds one, hands the baby over to this wet nurse. But the tragedy is that unknown to both Johnson's mother and the wet nurse, the wet nurse is tubercular. And after 10 weeks of breastfeeding, Johnson writes, later, I was taken home a poor diseased infant, almost blind. And in fact, he is left effectively blind in one eye and terribly, terribly nearsighted in the other. And his mother is obviously devastated by this and is willing to try whatever she can to cure him. And so she goes so far as to take him all the way to London, there to be touched by Queen Anne, who is on the throne at the time, friend of the show, for what was called the King's evil, which is scrofula. And the scrofula had infected him as a result of the. The wet nurse's milk. And there was this idea that the king or queen would touch the person with scrofula and miraculously heal the person. So unfortunately, it doesn't work. And in fact, Queen Anne is the last monarch on the British throne who does this. You know, this is. An age of rationalism is dawning.
Dominic Sandbrook
I think they should bring that back. I think the King should do it, frankly.
Tom Holland
Well, it's the way to tell if they're the real king. Right. And Johnson, as we will see, is very respectful of the throne and so he doesn't dismiss this out of hand, but he says basically he was left, and I quote him with some confused remembrance of a lady in a black hood, which was Queen Anne. And the Queen had given him a little amulet when she touched him, and he always wore this around his neck.
Dominic Sandbrook
The amulet doesn't really make up for the fact that he's blind in one eye and he's. He's basically. Whenever you meet Dr. Johnson later on, I mean, you will see straight away like he's got his scrofula, he's twitching, he's doing all kinds of stuff. Like, he's a very unprepossessing person, isn't he? Physically, yes.
Tom Holland
He has violent, convulsive gestures that a lot of people find alarming.
Dominic Sandbrook
I think that's why I raised an eyebrow when you said there were elements of Dr. Johnson that reminded you of me, because I don't have violent, convulsive gestures.
Tom Holland
Well, let's come on to something that is reminiscent of you and that Is Dominic his incredible intellectual brilliance.
Dominic Sandbrook
What do you want?
Tom Holland
I don't want anything.
Dominic Sandbrook
There's an agenda here, undoubtedly. Like, there's some. This is. You're gearing up for something. I find this sinister and unsettling.
Tom Holland
I'm just an incredibly nice person, and when there are compliments to be paid, I'm happy to pay them.
Dominic Sandbrook
Okay, go for it.
Tom Holland
So this little boy is growing up. He's, you know, covered in scars on his face, he's twitching, always bumping into tables and things. And yet it is clear the moment he goes to school. You know, this guy is incredible. So his nursery teacher, who Johnson adored, she described him as the best scholar I ever had. And Johnson was always telling Mr. Boswell, very, very proud of it. And then he goes to grammar school, and he masters Latin and Greek and particularly Latin to an incredibly proficient degree. He'll be one of Britain's great Latinists. And so basically, the young Johnson will read anything, although, interestingly, not all the way through. He was always very contemptuous of people who read books all the way through.
Dominic Sandbrook
He's an expert at gutting a book.
Tom Holland
Gutting a book, Exactly. Again, quite Sam Brookian.
Dominic Sandbrook
I will say. He'd be very. On a podcast, although the convulsive motions would be disturbing.
Tom Holland
Well, it would add drama to the video, I guess. And also, he has an amazing memory. So all he has to do, it seems, is read a, you know, page from a book and he can recall it years later. So he's very, very intellectually impressive. However, there are clouds, it has to be said, on the academic horizon. So one of these is a quality that Johnson lamented all his life and was always trying to deal with. And he saw it as his besetting fault that he was indolent. And what he meant by indolent wasn't just kind of, you know, rank laziness, but I think a kind of depression. Yeah, a dejection so profound that he could barely move, let alone kind of open the pages of a book. And periodically, this would afflict him. And interestingly, this is why he was a very robust believer in corporal punishment. So, to quote him, no severity is cruel which obstinacy makes necessary. For the greatest cruelty would be to desist and leave the scholar too careless for construction and too much hardened for reproof.
Dominic Sandbrook
You know, this. This would be an absolutely splendid Daily Mail page 8 article. The way to deal with the mental health crisis is to bring back corporal punishment. That's what Dr. Johnson would have done. And he was the greatest Englishman I
Tom Holland
Mean, one of the salient factors of Johnson is that he has no self pity whatsoever. He does not say, oh well, it's understandable that I didn't read a book because I was depressed. He says, thank God that I got beaten to make me read the book. And this is very much his approach to life. So that's one problem he has. And the other obvious problem is that his parents have no money. And this is a real problem because he's very qualified to go to university where he could earn the, the ba that would then open up all kinds of doors to him, but you have to have the money and he doesn't have the money. And then unexpectedly I said how his mother is slightly better connected than his father and she gets a small legacy. And this is enough not to pay for Johnson to go for the whole of the university course, but for one year. And his father very touchingly matches this, this legacy by making the only contribution that he could, which is the loan of 100 books, you know, and that's, you know, to remove 100 books from his shop is quite a big deal. And it's, you know, it's, it's a real investment. And so Johnson goes to Oxford, he's got his books, he's got enough money to last him for a year, and he goes to Pembroke College. And there it seems to his teachers and his contemporaries that he is forging, you know, a brilliant career for himself. So one of his tutors said later of Johnson that he was the best qualified for the university that he had ever known, come there. And one of Johnson's fellow students, he was caressed and loved by all about him. This was, I am persuaded, the happiest part of his life. But that was not Johnson's memory of his time at Pembroke. And he said to Boswell years later, ah, sir, I was rude and violent. It was bitterness which they mistook for frolic. I was miserably poor and I thought to fight my way by my literature and my wit and so I disregarded all power and all authority.
Dominic Sandbrook
So like so many students, he was, he was putting a sort of brave face on his private pain and people didn't see it.
Tom Holland
Yeah, and there's, there's a kind of quality of rebelliousness that Johnson is articulating there. That again is a feature of his life, you know, the whole way through. And clearly also he's very sensitive to how poor he is relative to all the other students. And he felt the effects of poverty in various ways. So for instance, he couldn't afford to go home in the holidays. So he's, you know, after all the other students have gone, he's left kicking his heels in the college and he's a man who hates being left alone, so he feels very wretched about that. His shoes fall apart and a fellow undergraduate notices this and buys him a new pair and leaves them outside his door. And Johnson is absolutely mortified by this. And he experiences it not as how it was intended, a kind of gesture of kindness, but as an insult. And worst of all, of course, as we've said, he can only afford to stay there for one year. And so at the end of that year, he has to leave Oxford and head back to Lichfield. And there it's. It's miserable because his parents are incredibly guilty that they can't pay for him to continue his education. And he is guilty because he knows that, you know, his. His parents have made this massive investment in him, but, you know, he can't get a ba and so he can't kind of earn the money that. That he would ideally have wanted to. And so then the. The question hangs over him, what is he going to do now? And I. I guess we have. We have listeners who've just left university and I, you know, that's a pressing issue for many. And Johnson finds himself plunged into such a state of, as he calls it, dejection, gloom and despair, wondering what he's going to do with his life, that one of his friends who wrote years later to Boswell, because Boswell obviously didn't know Johnson at this period, so was always asking friends for reminiscences. This friend confessed, I was fearful that there was something wrong in his constitution which might impair his intellects or shorten his life. And Boswell suppressed this. He didn't put it in the biography, because, of course, at that time, killing yourself was a crime.
Dominic Sandbrook
It's generally thought, isn't it, that Johnson suffered from depression?
Tom Holland
I think that would be the diagnosis today. It's not a diagnosis, of course, that Johnson recognises in himself.
Dominic Sandbrook
He called it his morbid melancholy.
Tom Holland
Melancholy, or, you know, as we've heard, he calls it indolence, and I think. So in the five years that follow his return from Oxford, he genuinely felt that he was on the edge of insanity. And again, all his life he would worry that madness might be lurking. And it's so unexpected, in a way, because Johnson will become the embodiment of common sense. There's the kind of philosophers who say that nothing is real. He responds to this by kicking a Stone and saying thus I prove it is real. That's the timbre of the man. He's a man of stolid common sense and yet all the time he has this shadow, this anxiety that he might go mad. And so he tries to escape his, let's call it depression in various ways. So he tries walking to Birmingham and back and he does this a lot and he thinks that an invigorating walk will cheer him up. And actually I think invigorating walks do cheer you up, so I think it wasn't a foolish thing for him to do. And he also takes a range of jobs, so he tries school teaching, he tries tutoring, he tries hack journalism, but again, he doesn't really make a go of any of them. So that's really depressing. He knows that he's brilliant, but he can't seem to make a mark on the world. And then on top of that there's something that we've already mentioned, which is that he really isn't as prepossessing as he might be. So we have a description of him. In his early 20s he was lean and lank, so that his immense structure of bones was hideously striking to the eye and the scars of the scrofula were deeply visible. And this is obviously a problem for Johnson when it comes to establishing good relations with the ladies. And Johnson is very, very keen on the ladies, but none of them will give him so much as a second glance. And so of course this plunges him even deeper into dejection.
Dominic Sandbrook
But then when he's 25 years old, lightning strikes, doesn't it? Because he meets a woman perhaps a little older than him, who sees in him a. A veritable Romeo and an Adonis.
Tom Holland
Yeah, I mean, when you say a little bit, she is a 45 year old widow.
Dominic Sandbrook
Yeah.
Tom Holland
But she thinks he's great and she says to her daughter, you know, she has a grown up daughter by this point of Johnson, this is the most sensible man that I ever saw in my life. And she falls madly in love with him. So there's a bit of a kind of Macron vibe there perhaps. And amazingly, on the 9th of July, 1735, in a church in Derby, there is this incredible development. Mr. Samuel Johnson and the widow who has fallen in love with him, Mrs. Elizabeth Porter, become man and wife.
Dominic Sandbrook
Well, what a twist that is. So in the second half we will discuss Johnson's relationship with his wife, Tetty, as she's called, and we will get to some of Johnson's great achievements and we'll discover how he begins to make himself a celebrity.
Tom Holland
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Dominic Sandbrook
Welcome back to the Rest Is History. In an astonishing twist, one of the most amazing turnarounds that we've ever discussed on the Rest Is History, Samuel Johnson has got married. He's got married to Mrs. Elizabeth Porter and he calls her Tetty, doesn't he? And he, so he, he likes Tetty for various reasons. She's a sort of jolly and energetic woman. He thinks she's gorgeous. And particularly he's very impressed by what he calls her bosom of more than ordinary protuberance.
Tom Holland
Yes. And he has a lot of pent up energy, I think it's fair to say, and is absolutely rapturous that he finds himself married to such a woman. So he, I mean, he, he remains devoted to her all his life. And also, I think he feels incredible gratitude. You know, she has allowed him to know what it's like to be loved. She essentially is the person who has rescued him from his morbid melancholy. And also she has brought some money into his life because, you know, she's inherited from her dead husband quite a bit of cash. But of course this only increases the pressure on him to make something of his life. He doesn't want to end up like his father, who basically, you know, had been leeching off his mother. Johnson doesn't want to do that at all. And so he thinks, well, I've really got to Put my shoulder to the wheel. I've really got to make something of myself. And so his first wheeze is to invest Teddy's money in setting up a school. Johnson thinks, you know, I've got a very good education, I'm very smart, that might be something I can do. And so he opens it in a small hamlet called Edgell outside Litchfield. And it is clear right from the beginning that it's not really going to be a success. He does not have parents flocking to hand over their children to him. He, you know, he doesn't have a degree, but also he has this, you know, convulsive twitch. I mean, he looks absolutely bizarre.
Dominic Sandbrook
Come on, you go to an, you go to an open day at this school, the bloke's got no qualifications and is jerking around like a madman. I mean, you're not gonna trust your kids to him.
Tom Holland
So he does, however, end up with three pupils. And one of these, it's an 18 year old lad called David Garrick, is clearly a very, very impressive student. And Johnson actually becomes great friends with Garrick. You know, they're separated by six years, so they're actually almost, you know, contemporaries.
Dominic Sandbrook
I mean, they're closer in age than Johnson and his wife, completely so.
Tom Holland
But despite this, it is obvious that Johnson is not cut out to be a teacher. And as Boswell puts it in his biography, his oddities of manner and uncouth gesticulations could not but be the subject of merriment to them. By which Boswell means his students, and in particular the young rogues, used to listen at the door of his bedchamber and peep through the keyhole that they might turn into ridicule. His tumultuous and awkward fondness for Mrs. Johnson. So unsurprisingly, the school folds. And this leaves Johnson even more desperate not to let his beloved Teddy down. So his next sch is to write an exceedingly long and boring tragedy about a sultan and his Greek slave girl called Irene. And since Johnson has never seen a play at this point and he's still only 25, yeah, it's not very good and it doesn't make any money and he's unable to sell it. And so finally he settles on the plan that lots of people that we've covered over the course of the rest is history settle on, which is to leave the provinces and head for London. And Johnson travels there with David Garrick, who is no longer his pupil, of course, and is now planning to study for the law. And they, they buy A single horse. It's all they can afford. And they take turns riding and walking. And then they. They arrive in London. And from the moment he arrives there, Johnson is absolutely transfixed by the capital, by its scale, by its energy, by its sense of potential. And Johnson is famous to this day as a man who adored London. So 30 years after his arrival, it was still thrilling him. To quote him, the happiness of London is not to be conceived, but by those who have been in it. I will venture to say there is more learning in science within the circumference of 10 miles from where we now sit in London than in all the rest of the kingdom.
Dominic Sandbrook
So he loves it, doesn't he? I wonder a little bit whether he's quite a spectacle, Samuel Johnson. And maybe in London, there's a slightly less of an issue of people. Of him standing out and people staring at him as an oddball than there would have been a much sleepier, quieter place like Litchfield. But also, London offers all kinds of opportunities that, frankly, just aren't there in a much smaller Midlands town. And crucially, he can make money doing literary things because there are all kinds of opportunities that there were not in the West Midlands.
Tom Holland
Yeah, and you say make money. I mean, he doesn't make that much money, but it's, you know, it's more than he would have done if he'd been kind of kicking his heels in Litchfield. And so he starts doing hack work for a publisher called Edward Cave. Cave is very, very enterprising. And he's invented what is, in effect, I think, the first magazine that we today would recognize as a magazine. It's called the Gentleman's Magazine, and it's just full of all kinds of different stuff. And pretty soon, Johnson is writing most of it because he's. He's turns out to be brilliant at this kind of thing. And he also does biographies and he does translations, and he does kind of studies of literature for Cave. And then for Cave, he pioneers a completely new form of journalism, which is to cover debates in Parliament, which. His courage of these debates then goes into the Gentleman's magazine. Now, Johnson doesn't actually attend the debates. In fact, he only ever heard one. Yeah, he's actually very like an ancient historian. He conveys the sense of what he. He thinks the speeches should have been. So he's basically. It's about the vibe rather than accurate transcription.
Dominic Sandbrook
He's basically making up parliamentary debates.
Tom Holland
He's got a sense of the character of the people who are giving them. He's got a sense of, you know, what they're talking about. But he does this so effectively that essentially anyone who reads these reports assume that they are verbatim transcripts. And the politicians themselves are so flattered by the words that Johnson puts into their mouths that they keep stum about it. You know, they don't reveal that they'd never said anything, any of these speeches. And eventually Johnson comes to feel that, you know, he might be perpetuating a fraud by doing this. And so he says, I would not be accessory to the propagation of falsehood. And so he gives that up. But it's a kind of momentous invention, this idea that you can cover what people are saying in Parliament. And it's something that lives with us to this day. And Johnson is really the founder of that. Now, obviously, Johnson is doing this hat work to make a living. And if you are a writer, probably the most famous thing that Johnson ever said is his great phrase, no man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money. I mean, I do not know a writer who is not familiar with that
Dominic Sandbrook
saying, inspired by that, by those words.
Tom Holland
Johnson isn't just writing for money. Johnson wanted people to read him in that sense. He wanted admiration, you know, he wanted fame, I suppose he wanted, you know, people to think of him as a great writer. And so one year after he's arrived in London, say that's 1738, he publishes a poem that inevitably is called London. It's about his experiences and thoughts on the Capitol. And it's a kind of feisty, knockabout satire. And it actually makes him a lot of money, more money than he's earning for his hack work for. For Cave. And it's also a kind of succeed esteem. It's. It's a popular hit, but it's also very, very. It impresses the critics and it makes a big smash. But it turns out, unfortunately for Johnson, to be his Space Oddity. So Bowie, after he'd released Space Oddity, it takes him several years before he gets on to Ziggy Star Dust and Johnson, after he's published, London plunges back into obscurity. And by the time he's entered his 30s, he's increasingly feeling that he is a failure, that he is doomed to be a hack for the rest of his life.
Dominic Sandbrook
He's comparing himself with his mate, isn't he? So he'd gone to London with David Garrick, his former pupil, but Garrick has given up the law by this point and has embarking on arguably the most glittering theatrical career in British, if not Western History becoming the most celebrated actor of his day. A man who establishes the template for acting in many ways. And Johnson is. He's not a particularly envious or jealous man, is he?
Tom Holland
No, I would say, I mean, I'd say further than that that he treats envy as something to be despised and disdained. But I think with Garrick he does succumb to envy. And I think the chief reason for that is that because Garrick is often performing Shakespeare, you know, he becomes the most famous Shakespearean actor of his day and he becomes associated with Shakespeare. And this for Johnson is agony because Johnson probably knows more about Shakespeare than, than anyone in his day. I mean, he's read the plays backwards and knows all about them. And it pains him, I think, to see Garrick pontificating about it while he is still a nobody.
Dominic Sandbrook
What about Tetty? So where does Tess fit into all this? Because let's be honest, Tetty flipping hates London, doesn't she? She's gutted that they've moved to London.
Tom Holland
Yeah, she loved, you know, she's got all her friends back in the Midlands, she's really missing them. London's awful. She thinks it's kind of crowdy and noisy and smelly and so poor old Johnson is feeling very guilty about this. He needs to be in London because partly because he likes it, partly because it enables him to make money. And so he assuages his guilt by finding Tetti quarters that are either on the margins of London or just outside it. And all the money that he's earning essentially is going towards paying for the rent on these quarters where Tetty stays. But he of course has to stay in London, in the centre of the city. And so he has almost nothing left for himself. And in his poem London, he had, he'd written this line, slow rises worth by poverty depressed. You know, he knew what he was speaking about. And all the years of his hack work he lives in kind of rundown, squalid accommodation. He wore shabby worn out clothes and in fact all his life his clothes would be shabby. And even on one notorious occasion he finds himself with a friend walking around St. James's Square all night for want of a lodging. And the great literary biographer Richard Holmes has written a fabulous book about this stage of Johnson's life and his friendship with this guy he went roaming around Saint James's with, and it's called Dr. Johnson and Mr. Savage.
Dominic Sandbrook
So yeah, this is a good example of how the Johnson Boswell story is a lovely window onto Georgian London, isn't it? Because Although Johnson loves London, he knows how grim and dark it can be if you're on the kind of the wrong side of the wheel of fortune. So the gin, you know, the sort of scenes of. From Hogarth's engravings, Gin Lane, the character of the sewers, the, the ash pits that homeless people sleep on, the beggars, the, the, the prostitutes, all of that kind of thing. And he, he's not a judgmental person about, about the sort of down and outs, is he? He doesn't turn his nose up at them.
Tom Holland
He's a moral person, but not a judgmental person. And because he knows what it is to be poor, because he sees the suffering of prostitutes and beggar children and alcoholics all around him, he never despises them. And if he does have a copper on him, he will always give it away. And if he has nothing on him, then he will stop and try and offer words of kindness. And I imagine that generally that they were received gratefully. I mean, there's huge. He's a massive man by now, lumbering, twitching. He might be slightly frightening for people, but I think people always sense the kind of. The kindness in Johnson, which coexists with a kind of gruffness and a fondness for, you know, literary spas and things. And Mrs. Thrale, who later in life became a great friend of Dr. Johnson's, she was the wife of a brewer to who he became very close to her. And she said of Johnson that he loved the poor as I never saw anyone else do, and in doing that I think that he is being true to morals and political principles that he had held since his childhood. So Johnson, as Boswell will be as well, from his youth, is a Tory. And as he saw it, he identified with the poor, not despite being a Tory, but because of it. And this may seem odd to some of our listeners because I think the Tories today are seen as the party of the affluent and of free market economics and, and all of that kind of thing. But the meaning of Tory in Johnson's day was, was subtly different. And we've said how, how Johnson was always a natural rebel. And I think that in the mid 18th century to be a Tory could very easily be framed as a kind of rebellion. Do you think?
Dominic Sandbrook
Yeah, totally, because the, the 18th century is the Whig century. So the Whigs. We did a bonus episode for members of the Rest is History Club about the Whigs and the Tories with George Hours, who's written a brilliant book about this, which I call the Rage of Party. His online is Capel Loft, he's a great character and he wrote this wonderful the origins of Whigs and Tories explaining exactly where all this comes from. So the Whigs really dominate British politics in this period. They are cosmopolitan, they are the party of financiers, they can party of the
Tom Holland
commercial classes, the great landowners as well.
Dominic Sandbrook
Yes. So they, they really dominate politics. So the Tories, and this is very simplistic, the Tories are perhaps a little bit more inward looking, they are more nostalgic, they are more hierarchical, they are more paternalistic. Maybe they are more suspicious of Europe and more suspicious of change and more suspicious of modernity than the Whigs are. And so as Britain is being Transformed in the 18th century by the wheels of, of kind of commerce and industry and whatnot, the Tories, who are perhaps a little bit more rural and a bit more backward looking, they feel kind of endangered that the world of the country squire there and of old fashioned ways and a merry England and stuff is being lost beneath the rush to embrace cosmopolitan modernity.
Tom Holland
Yeah. And you can see this in Parliament because in the House of Commons, the Tories in Johnson's day are absolutely the underdogs. You know, they're never more than say a fifth of MPs. And so as you say, you know, as Britain booms, as commercial interests increasingly predominate, the Tories do come to feel like they're an endangered minority. And you said how the Tories are very keen on hierarchy. Johnson all his life and despite his own humble background, you know, he's, he's a great enthusiast for hierarchy. So he, he put it to Boswell, I have great merit in being zealous for subordination and the honors of birth, for I can hardly tell who was my grandfather. He believes in the Crown and specifically in the right of the exiled Stuarts to the Crown. So James II had been exiled. JACOBUS IN LATIN and so the Jacobites, these are the people who will support Bonnie Prince Charlie. Johnson always has a slight kind of leaning towards them, but simultaneously he is also a devout and committed member of the established church, the Church of England. So if you're a monarchist and if you're a member of the Church of England, in what possible sense then can you be reckoned a rebel? And I think it's because Johnson saw both these institutions, the Crown and the Church, as essential safeguards for the poor and the vulnerable against what Johnson saw as the predatory greed of the Whigs, the willingness of the Whigs to sacrifice the poor on the altar of kind of Commercial and industrial expansion.
Dominic Sandbrook
I mean, Johnston is a small C conservative, isn't he? And you could see him as being in that sort of bit of the graph, if you were doing a kind of graph of writers, you know, JRR Tolkien is not that far away. Maybe even George Orwell isn't that far away. People who like the small and the traditional and the established and the rooted and they're distrustful of people who are. Who like the latest fashionable concept from continental Europe.
Tom Holland
Yeah, and there's an echo of. Of Orwell in the fact that one of Johnson's favorite words is cant and can't. I mean, essentially it's the use of kind of modish fashionable words or sentiments to veil self interest. And the most famous expression of this appeared in a pamphlet that he wrote years later during the American Revolution. And he asks how is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of.
Dominic Sandbrook
Yeah, in other words, the Americans whom he despises, he sees them as hypocritical. You know, their progressive sentiments are merely the veil for naked, greedy self interest. Hey, he's not wrong.
Tom Holland
I mean, that explains his take on the American Revolution. He's very hostile to it. But long before the American Revolution, he has. He's already begun making a name for himself. And it's not just as a, you know, for his kind of take on politics, but also as a moralist. By the 1740s, he's starting to. Well, he's not exactly famous, but he's starting to be read by people who find him a source of comfort and who find in him qualities that seem to his readers very attractive. So, you know, his deep sympathy for the underdog, be it the poor on the streets of London. London, or slaves in the Caribbean and America, or even Native Americans whose land is being stolen by British and French colonialists in the wilds of Canada. His kind of matching contempt for hypocrisy and by extension, his insistence on. On what is practical, his impatience with theory, his feeling that kind of academic language, if you like, often expresses a form of oppression. And also, even as he has this sympathy for the underdog, he also likes a punch up. He has a relish for a fight. He talks for victory, as Boswell would one day put it. And in. In his writings he does the same.
Dominic Sandbrook
All of that is so George Orwell, isn't it? Or somebody like that of that tradition, or John Kerry or John Gray, or there's a Johnsonian tradition that runs right through British intellectual culture. The kind of Anti intellectual intellectual who speaks for the common man, who speaks for common sense. Sense. Who is impatient with kind of cant and jargon and, dare I say, political correctness. Johnson would have hated all that.
Tom Holland
Oh, absolutely. He. He really would. But you say he's anti intellectual. I mean, he's. He's. He's really not intellectual.
Dominic Sandbrook
Of course he's an intellectual, but he veils his intellectualism in the language of pragmatism and earthiness and common sense and ordinariness.
Tom Holland
I think that's. I think that's absolutely true. But even as he's doing that, he is unapologetic in thinking that the things that interest him, Shakespeare or whatever, that there's no reason why people, you know, shouldn't read what he has to say about them.
Dominic Sandbrook
Of course, Exactly. Yeah.
Tom Holland
And so, again, through the 1740s into the 1750s, it's not just his kind of moral sentiments, but his learning that is coming to be admired. There is the sense that here is a man who knows almost everything there is to know that his judgment on matters of literature or language or whatever is absolutely precise and that he has an incredible mastery of the English language. And it's this sense that in 1746, brings him the commission for which, I guess, thanks to Blackadder, he's probably best known today, and that is the compilation of a comprehensive English dictionary dictionary. And to give a measure of the task that Johnson is taking on when he accepts this commission, in Italy, the task of compiling a comprehensive Italian dictionary had taken an entire academy of scholars 20 years to complete. In France, it had taken an academy of scholars 55 years to complete. It took Samuel Johnson, who had six junior assistants working with him, and interestingly, of those six junior assistants, five were Scottish. So, you know, his scotophobia clearly was performative. It takes them nine years. And Johnson was a very robust English patriot. And he did not neglect pointing out how well this reflected on English scholarship relative to French scholarship. Having said that, you know, he's been a hack writer all his life, and in a sense, the compilation of a dictionary was the ultimate masterpiece of hat work. And famously, in his dictionary, he defined lexicographer, the writer of a dictionary, as a writer of dictionaries, a harmless drudge. But the brilliant thing about the dictionary is that it does actually, when it's finally published, serve to emancipate him from drudgery forever.
Dominic Sandbrook
So for decades, he's been working in obscurity, hasn't he, with this sort of anxiety that he's not really made anything of himself. But now all of that changes.
Tom Holland
Yeah. And he signals his emergence into what is a kind of blaze of fame with a celebrated letter. Letter, probably one of the most famous letters ever written in English literature. So at the start of his project, this compilation of the dictionary, his publisher had, had found him this incredible patron. Johnson had never had a patron before, but now he has one. And this is. He's a statesman, he's a scholar, he's the supreme arbiter of elegance. Writes a series of kind of famous letters advising his son on the correct way to behave. And this is the Earl of Chester. And Johnson is granted an initial audience with the Earl of Chesterfield just as he's about to start writing his dictionary. He then goes back to Chesterfield's house and he's refused admittance to his lordship by, you know, an array of servants. And so Johnson just gives up going to Chesterfield and basically he forgets all about him. And then the dictionary comes out and Chesterfield writes it a glowing review and basically says, isn't it great? I'm the patron of this. How fantastic. And Johnson completely loses his patience at this and feels that Chesterfield is trying to kind of step in and claim credit where credit is not due. And he writes him this letter. And Chesterfield, to give him credit, is so impressed by it that he actually kind of leaves it lying around in his salon so that people can read it. And so the news of it gets out and people find it very funny. So this is the letter. Seven years, my lord, have now passed since I waited in your outward rooms or was repulsed from your door, during which time I have been pushing on my work through difficulties of which it is useless to complain plain, and have brought it at last to the verge of publication without one act of assistance, one word of encouragement, or one smile of favour. Is not a patron, my lord, one who looks with unconcern on a man struggling for life in the water, and when he has reached ground, encumbers him with help. And I think it's fame among writers is precisely because it's something that so many writers have recognized, perhaps in their own careers.
Dominic Sandbrook
So the dictionary really turns Johnson into a. Into a star, doesn't it? And then he pours out a series of works that make him equally well known because he's basically capitalizes on his celebrities. Do you want to talk us through these?
Tom Holland
Well, so there's a poem that we've quoted from in our series on Peter the Great. It's called the Vanity of Human Wishes and it featured Charles, Charles xii. So People who want to hear that go back and listen to our series on Peter the Great. He does biographies, he does a massive study of Shakespeare's plays, and he even gets his terrible tragedy Irene on. And that's courtesy of Garrick, you know, who by this point has his own theatre. It's not a great critical success, but it does make him a bit of money. And that's important because despite his fame, Johnson is still incredibly poor. He's not making that much cash, I guess. And also, he does have this tendency to just give it away to, you know, beggars and so on. And actually, in 1758, he gets arrested for debt and he has to be bailed out by Samuel Richardson, the. The famous novelist, the author of Clarissa. And then a year later his mother dies and he's so short of money to pay for her funeral that he hurriedly writes this novella, which is called Rasselas. You can still read it to this day. It's. It's actually great. I mean, it's pleasantly short, it has to be said. And it's the story of a prince who. Who. He grows up in this kind of sheltered paradise, the paradise of Abyssinia, and then he leaves it to search for the key to happiness, and he never finds it. And you can see, you know, Johnson is clearly kind of working issues through there, and it's a great publishing sensation. And again, it gives Johnson a bit of money, but again, it kind of all dribbles away. And finally, what does serve to set Johnson on a kind of secure financial footing is that in 1762, he is given a pension of £300. And this comes from the Crown, and it is an expression of the State's regard to Johnson for his creation of the dictionary. And Johnson hesitates whether to take it. And one of the reasons for that is that it's coming from George iii, who is from the House of Hanover, so not from the House of Stuart. And Johnson is still affecting his loyalty to the Stuarts. And also, there's a famous definition of pension in his dictionary. In England, it is generally understood to mean pay given to a state hireling for treason reason to his country.
Dominic Sandbrook
So it's a. You could say there's an element of hypocrisy in him taking the pension. But the Prime Minister, the Earl of Bute, says to him, this is not for anything you are to do, but for what you have done. So basically, there's no strings attached. This is just a recognition for your achievements. Don't worry, there's no political subtext. Here. And Johnson takes it. And this transforms his finances.
Tom Holland
He does. And from that point on, he always defends his taking of the pension in very robust terms. So that's a great help. Help. But throughout this period, even as he is starting to become a celebrity, he remains beset by, you know, his indolence, his dejection, his feelings of depression. And I think that this is bred of a besetting sense of loneliness. So Tetty, his beloved wife, had died in, in 1752, and that means that Johnson is, you know, he's now living without a female companion. And I think he feels the lack of female companionship very deeply. He, you know, he remains a creature of flesh and blood, but he's not the kind of man, as we will discover, Boswell is, who will go out and pay. Johnson is also a man of the utmost moral probity. And there's a wonderful story that's in Boswell's biography of how during the rehearsals for Irene. So at Garrick's Theatre, Johnson writes to Garrick, I'll come no more behind your scenes, David, for the silk stockings and white bosoms of your actresses excite my amorous propensities.
Dominic Sandbrook
Yeah, he can't trust himself.
Tom Holland
No, he can't trust himself. And so he doesn't have a wife. And so he becomes ever more dependent on his friends to keep his melancholy at bay. And he's always been a sociable man, but now he becomes sociable in a kind of almost relentless way. I think if there aren't people to talk to, he misses their company, company terribly.
Dominic Sandbrook
And he sort of hangs around so people will come and see him in his rooms. So he has an apartment in Inner Temple Lane. He'll hang out on Fleet street in his favorite pub, which is called the Mitre. He'll hang out at the shops at Covent Garden. And so it is that on 16 May 1763, he meets one fan in particular, a Johnson super fan. The man who is going to insure his immortality.
Tom Holland
Yeah. And that fan, of course, was the 22 year old James Boswell. And he will be the subject of our next episode. And just a warning, unlike in this episode, there will be quite a lot of bad behavior.
Dominic Sandbrook
All right, so that episode will be out on Thursday. Now, there'll be lots of people, I imagine, who, thinking about the social circle of which Johnson was a part with Garrick and Boswell and all these great characters, will reflect on how lovely it is to be part of a social circle themselves. A close club modeled after Dr. Johnson's. Own club. And that is, of course, the Rest Is History Club, which is probably the only club in human history that dazzles more brightly than the clubs of the 18th century. And members of the Rest Is History Club can hear the whole of this series about Johnson and Boswell right now. And if you want to join them and be part of our chat community, as Dr. Johnson would have called it, then you just head to the rest is history.com and on that bombshell, Tom, thank you very much and goodbye, everybody.
Tom Holland
Goodbye.
Dominic Sandbrook
Hi, everybody. We have a very exciting merchandise update to share with you all.
Tom Holland
We do indeed, Dominic.
Dominic Sandbrook
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Tom Holland
So Graham Johnson, who is one of our beloved Athelstans, has come up with an absolutely stunning illustration.
Dominic Sandbrook
So this time it is an absolutely beautiful scene that he has created to commemorate the journey of Samuel Johnson and James Boswell.
Tom Holland
So the scene on the T shirt is kind of modeled in the style of a 1930s railway Advertising in Britain. And it shows Johnson and Boswell on their tour of the Highlands and Hebrides. And Boswell is sat there taking notes and a large, I think it's fair to say a Dr. Johnson is riding off into the mountains while his horse buckles slightly under his weight.
Dominic Sandbrook
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Tom Holland
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Dominic Sandbrook
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Tom Holland
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Hosts: Tom Holland & Dominic Sandbrook
In this rich and revealing episode, Tom and Dominic set out to explore the life and times of Samuel Johnson—literary colossus, wittiest conversationalist of his age, lexicographer, essayist, and moralist—and the world of Georgian London that he both dominated and embodied. Structured around the fateful first meeting between Johnson and his future biographer James Boswell in 1763, the discussion introduces Johnson’s remarkable journey from provincial obscurity and poverty to national celebrity. Along the way, the hosts situate Johnson in the broader context of 18th-century Britain—its social circles, political turmoil, daily hardships, and fast-changing intellectual climate—and preview his tumultuous partnership with the irrepressible Boswell.
Tory and “Small-c” Conservative:
Disdain for Hypocrisy and Empty Jargon: “One of Johnson’s favourite words is ‘cant’… the use of modish words to veil self-interest.”
Boswell’s journal, meeting Johnson:
“Mr. Johnson is a man of a most dreadful appearance… Yet his great knowledge and strength of expression command vast respect… but his dogmatical roughness of manners is disagreeable.” (00:13) – James Boswell (read by Dominic)
On Johnson’s conversational status:
“He was, above all, perhaps even more than a great writer, one of the supreme talkers of history. And I would guess that in British culture, probably Oscar Wilde is his only rival as the most quoted conversationalist in English.” (03:53) – Tom Holland
Johnson on reading:
“He was always very contemptuous of people who read books all the way through… an expert at gutting a book.” (21:43) – Tom and Dominic
On melancholy:
“He called it his morbid melancholy.” (27:07) – Dominic
On not being pitied for indolence:
“Thank God that I got beaten to make me read the book. And this is very much his approach to life.” (22:59) – Tom
On the city:
“The happiness of London is not to be conceived, but by those who have been in it. I will venture to say there is more learning and science within the circumference of 10 miles from where we now sit in London than in all the rest of the kingdom.” (35:26) – Samuel Johnson (quoted by Tom)
On patronage:
“Is not a patron, my Lord, one who looks with unconcern on a man struggling for life in the water, and, when he has reached ground, encumbers him with help?” (54:38) – Samuel Johnson
On American revolutionaries:
“How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of Negroes?” (48:31) – Samuel Johnson
On poverty and empathy:
“He loved the poor as I never saw anyone else do.” — Mrs. Thrale, quoted by Tom (42:39)
| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 00:11–02:18 | Boswell describes first meeting Johnson; set-up of episode | | 03:21–05:50 | Tom on Johnson as “the Great Cham,” the supreme talker | | 06:17–09:11 | Boswell’s background, obsession, and relationship to Johnson | | 10:40–12:15 | Boswell’s biography as a window onto an age; the 18th century | | 12:15–12:58 | Johnson’s anti-American tirade and nationalism | | 13:03–14:54 | Anglo-Scottish relations after Union; the developing friendship as metaphor for national union | | 15:20–15:37 | The famous road trip to the Hebrides | | 16:18–18:13 | Johnson’s background & childhood adversity | | 19:48–21:00 | Last royal “healing”: Queen Anne & Johnson’s scrofula | | 21:00–22:32 | Early brilliance, indolence, and attitudes to reading | | 24:40–26:41 | Oxford, poverty, and early despair; hints at depression | | 29:16–31:54 | Johnson’s unlikely marriage to Tetty | | 33:20–34:55 | Moving to London, encountering the city’s energy | | 36:21–38:29 | Hack work, The Gentleman’s Magazine, invented debates, writing for money | | 41:10–42:39 | Johnson’s poverty and moral vision; relations with London’s poor | | 46:00–48:31 | Political context: Toryism and Johnson’s version of conservatism | | 51:01–53:04 | The compilation of the Dictionary—process and significance | | 54:18–55:13 | The Chesterfield letter—writer’s rebuke | | 56:19–57:56 | Later works: “Rasselas,” fame, and royal pension | | 59:06–59:52 | Johnson’s loneliness and sociability after Tetty’s death |
The episode concludes with Johnson’s hard-won celebrity, his unique blend of suffering and brilliance, and the crucial role friendship, sociability, and conversation played in his life—qualities that would find their greatest chronicler and champion in James Boswell. This is not just a London story, but a story of the forging of the modern British temperament and intellectual tradition. The week’s cliffhanger: Next time, “there will be quite a lot of bad behavior” as the duo dive deeper into Boswell’s exploits and their infamous tour of Scotland.
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