GLP-1s, Testosterone & The Future Of Aging | Phil Vella E515

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The Rich Somers Report

Episode: GLP-1s, Testosterone & The Future Of Aging | Phil Vella E515
Release Date: June 11, 2026
Guest: Phil Vella – CEO & Founder, Vida Bella Health

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Rich Somers sits down with Phil Vella, CEO and founder of Vida Bella Health, to unpack the exploding world of hormone therapy, peptides, GLP-1s, and the future of human longevity and performance. The duo digs into how these cutting-edge treatments are reshaping aging, health optimization, and even societal gender roles, all while weaving in actionable medical and lifestyle advice for high-performing professionals.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The Landscape of Anti-Aging: “The Tech Boom of Biology”

• Timestamps: [00:37], [35:05], [36:22]
• Phil frames the current explosion in hormone therapies and peptides as a new tech boom—“We are in the tech boom of biology for the human body” ([00:37], [36:22]).
• The biggest predicted danger of advancements like GLP-1s isn’t their cost, but their impact on social structures, specifically Social Security, as people extend their lifespans by managing glucose and metabolic health.

Phil: “The single biggest danger of GLP1s right now is not the cost of bankrupting this country for the cost of the meds, it’s Social Security, because people are going to live a lot longer...” ([00:37])

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2. Testosterone & Hormone Therapy: The Foundation of Wellness

• Timestamps: [01:30]–[10:27]

A. Hormone vs. Peptide Therapy

• Hormones (testosterone, estrogen) are the fundamental building blocks for health; peptides are valuable but mainly a supplemental “want,” not a “need.”
• Phil: “Hormones is literally the staple...Testosterone replacement therapy, in a man and a woman, it’s probably 65% of feeling good, of feeling really good.” ([02:00])

B. Enclomiphene – An Underappreciated Tool

• Enclomiphene stimulates the body's own testosterone production, essential for men wanting to preserve fertility.
• Injectable testosterone (TRT) often gets more publicity because the effects are faster, but enclomiphene has fewer side effects (no testicular shrinkage, less hair loss).
• Phil: “Enclomiphene is endogenous...forces your body to create more testosterone naturally…technically, your ball should get bigger.” ([07:40])

C. Impact on Performance & Confidence

• Hormone optimization leads to more energy, better sleep, less anxiety, and enhanced drive.
• Confidence crushes anxiety; hormone therapy “will physically change any human’s life, bar none.” ([03:47])

Phil: “I do not know a high performer...that is not in the hormone optimization peptide game. It’s life changing. You get everything you had when you were younger back in your forties, back in your fifties.” ([09:40])

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3. NAD+ and Cellular Energy

• Timestamps: [11:21]–[17:42]
• NAD+ is a coenzyme (not a peptide), vital for mitochondrial repair and overall energy; natural levels decline with age. Taking NAD+ via injectable forms (IV, IM, or subQ) is preferred over oral, which is poorly absorbed.
• Phil describes NAD+ therapy as “the single most popular drug that we have at the company outside of probably testosterone” ([12:49]), citing significant boosts in energy and cognitive clarity.

Phil: “NAD Plus is the only thing...if you take enough, you will feel like you just took a bump of cocaine. You will feel...amazing.” ([11:49])

• NMN as a precursor is less preferred—Phil favors direct NAD+ supplementation plus specific peptides for best mitochondrial support.

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4. Peptides for Everything: Hair Loss, Muscle, and Fat Loss

• Timestamps: [18:10]–[21:01]

• Peptides address diverse goals: GHKCU for hair and skin, various growth hormone-releasing peptides (GHRH, GHRP) for muscle, and TessaMorlin to specifically target visceral fat.

• Most peptides are best administered via injection due to poor oral absorption.

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5. GLP-1s (Ozempic, Tirzepatide, etc.): Phenomenon & Pitfalls

• Timestamps: [21:01]–[32:06]

• The use of GLP-1 agonists has skyrocketed (now estimated at 31-40 million Americans).

• Benefits go beyond weight loss: anti-aging, glucose control, and reduced metabolic and cardiovascular risk.

• The dark side: most patients use them as a “cheat code” and don’t do the nutritional/workout work, often losing muscle and ending up “skinny fat.”

Phil: “GLP ones are a cheat code. However, you don’t eat enough protein, you lose muscle...How are you ever going to get off the drug? You can’t, because you don’t have enough muscle to keep the weight off.” ([24:05]–[24:59])

• Key to using GLP-1s: Stay at the lowest dosing that works, combine with protein intake (1g/lb body weight), strength training, and, ideally, hormone therapy or muscle-preserving peptides.
• GLP-1s alone “should be illegal” to prescribe, argues Phil—they need to be paired with muscle preservation strategies ([29:20]).

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6. Societal Reflections: Gender Roles, Masculinity, and Success

• Timestamps: [38:17]–[55:00]

• The latter half of the episode reflects on shifts in gender roles: declining testosterone, the rise of “soft men,” changing workplace dynamics, and societal pressures.

Phil: “Men today are...an embarrassment as a culture. We’re rewarding mediocrity...We used to have this masculinity rewarded—first, second, third place. Now it’s participation trophies.” ([38:17])

• "Alpha" status is recast—not brashness or showiness, but confidence, quiet leadership, and the ability to create safety and security.
• Success in business and relationships is linked to these core masculine traits, as well as to health/hormone optimization.
• Discussion on relationships: The wealthiest men focus on investing in their women. “You want to know a man’s wealth? Look at his woman.” ([42:30])

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7. The Future of Aging and Life Expectancy

• Timestamps: [34:25]–[36:22]

• Advances like peptides and GLP-1s could dramatically increase average lifespan to 120-140 years.

• The biggest concern isn’t cost, but societal readiness for so many people living longer, especially with improved metabolic health.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Enclomiphene and Injectables:

  "Enclomiphene is endogenous, meaning you’re taking a pill that forces your body to create more testosterone naturally...technically, your ball should get bigger."
  — Phil Vella ([07:40])

• On Hormone Therapy for High Performers:

  "I do not know a high performer, entrepreneur, CEO, anyone that is literally executing at the highest level that is not in the hormone optimization peptide game."
  — Phil Vella ([09:40])

• On the GLP-1 Craze:

  "GLP Ones are a cheat code...However, you don't eat enough protein, you lose muscle...How are you ever going to get off the drug?"
  — Phil Vella ([24:05]–[24:59])

• On Gender Roles and Alpha Energy:

  "Alpha men...are the quietest dudes in the room. He’s got the T shirt on. He’s unassuming. Why? Because he’s confident and he’s an alpha. He doesn’t need the spotlight."
  — Phil Vella ([39:17])

• On Investment in Relationships:

  "When a man walks into a restaurant with his woman, don’t look at what he’s wearing, look at what she’s wearing. You want to know a man’s wealth? Look at a man’s woman."
  — Phil Vella ([42:30])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• GLP-1s & Longevity: [00:37], [21:01], [35:05]
• Hormone/Peptide Therapy Fundamentals: [02:00]–[10:27]
• NAD+ and Energy: [11:21]–[17:42]
• Hair Loss and Specialized Peptides: [18:10]–[21:01]
• GLP-1 Discussion Deep Dive: [21:01]–[32:06]
• Societal Commentary on Masculinity: [38:17]–[45:41]
• Relationships, Wealth, and Gender Dynamics: [46:17]–[55:00]

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Conclusion & Call to Action

Phil wraps with a vision for the future: as peptide and hormone technology explodes, the coming decade will see even greater gains in longevity, healthspan, and performance—but only for those willing to understand, customize, and commit to both medical therapies and the underlying work (nutrition, training, personal development).

For those eager to learn more or get started, Phil’s Vida Bella Health offers all-in-one hormone and peptide optimization with physician support—and all for a surprisingly accessible membership fee.

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Learn more: vitabellhealth.com
Connect with Rich Somers on Instagram: @rich_somers

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

You know, the biggest danger of GLP1s right now is not the cost of bankrupting this country for the cost of the meds, it's Social Security, because people are going to live a lot longer because managing sugar and your glucose is the single biggest killer of us. Like, it's cancer. It's what feeds cancers. It's what causes obesity. It's what causes so many things. If you manage that, lifespan will increase significantly over time. And so I look at this. We're at the forefront, we're like, groundbreaking of where we are. We are in the tech boom of biology for the human body.

[A]

All right, guys, today I got the CEO and founder of Vida Bella Health. I got my man Phil Vella in the building. What's up, Phil?

[B]

What's going on, big man?

[A]

Dude, welcome to the show. My man. I appreciate you coming on. It's been a long time coming, man. I'm excited for this conversation today, dude. So I just got my blood work done a little while ago, my girlfriend and I, and I'm actually gonna get on some hormone therapy, some enclomophene. I'm gonna get on some NAD plus, and I'm excited for it. I'm a 41 this year, man. But, you know, I'm curious. What exactly is the difference between hormone therapy and peptide therapy?

[B]

Everybody thinks that peptides are going to make you big and they're going to do this magic wonder. But, like, hormones is the baseline. Like, all these people online right now, they're looking at peptides and they think that, you know, it's going to do so many things, but hormones is literally the staple. Like, hormones is physically the foundation of everything you do. Testosterone in a man managing their estrogen, right? We. We offer God. A hundred different meds, a hundred different medications, peptides, hormones, anti aging protocols and, and probably I'm shoot myself in the foot with this. But testosterone replacement therapy, in a man and a woman, it's probably 65% of feeling good, of feeling really good. You could take 98 of the meds.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But just one is literally going to change most men's lives and women's life.

[A]

So I'm really excited. I got the enclomophene coming my way. And, you know, I'm gonna put it out there. I tested, I'll be 41 this year. I tested. My total testosterone was just under 600. It was the high fives. And so doctors like, hey, let's get you on some aclomaphene. I want to have four kids. And I didn't know this, but I didn't even know that you could take something orally like enclomophene that would allow your body to produce more testosterone naturally. I didn't even, I didn't know this was an option to me until he told me, but he's like, yeah, if you're gonna have kids, you don't wanna affect the fertility and the ability for your body to reproduce. And so he's like, let's try this. And he's like, we probably get you from the, the, you know, high 590, the high 500s, low 6, to about 900, maybe a thousand. How am I going to feel physically and mentally?

[B]

You're going to feel one. You should feel amazing. Like one. You should feel amazing. Have more confidence, more drive, more energy, sleep better, better recovery on workouts. You'll have more pep in your step. Should make you more of a man in this, in this beta world that we're living in right now. But yeah, you'll, it'll change your life. Hormone therapy will physically change any human's life, bar none. Like, it is so overlooked. Like the fact that peptides are so, you know, pervasive right now. Hormone therapy is the baseline. Peptides are great, fascinating, amazing drugs. Don't get me wrong, we sell a ton of them. But starting with hormones, you, you get your hormones dialed in, you get your testosterone level dialed in, you will feel like the best version of you.

[A]

Why is it that it improves your sleep?

[B]

You're dialing in your hormones. I mean, your testosterone is responsible for recovery. It's responsible for every single thing that your body does on the inside. Right? It, it's, it's your muscle repair, your cellular repair. It's the baseline hormone. So when you're going to sleep, right? IGF1 levels, GH levels, everything begins normalizing when you're going to sleep and you're dialed in on your testosterone, you're not as anxious as you used to be. You don't have as much anxiety as you used to be.

[A]

Really, it lowers anxiety.

[B]

Well, because you have more drive, more confidence. Right. Confidence is a killer of anxiety. Why do you worry? Is you're worried about the future, things that aren't going to happen. When you have more confidence, you worry less.

[A]

You're like, I'll figure it out.

[B]

Yeah, you'll figure it out over time.

[A]

We always figure it out.

[B]

And it's big. Like in. Clomiphene is a big product for any man under the age of 35. Why? Is. Because we want to maintain fertility. And it, you know, sometimes can double and even triple in some cases. Testosterone in men under 35, when you're over 40, it is a fertility drug. It doesn't do as much for the testosterone levels as when you're younger, but it will absolutely increase your fertility and help you have children and give you faster swimmers. Get it denser. Yeah.

[A]

So I am. I am 40. I'll be 41 this summer. So are you saying the effects, like what. What do you think I can expect in terms of the boost in testosterone?

[B]

40 years old? It's very interdependent on the individual. Right. Depending on testicle, you know, production. But I probably say you could get into the 900 to over a thousand level just within clomiphene, depending on your dose, depending on your frequency.

[A]

Dude, how come no one talks about this? Because people talk about trt. They talk about, you know, having to take the. The. The shot.

[B]

The shot.

[A]

Yeah. And obviously we know when you take that, it. It reduces your body's ability to produce natural testosterone. A lot of people tell me, they're like, yeah, once you get on it, you're pretty much on it for life because of that. But how come no one talks about enclomophene? Like, I didn't even know it was a thing until recently.

[B]

Because people don't want to wait. Right? Testosterone, you take an injectable testosterone, it hits your body right away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hits your body immediately.

[A]

They don't want to wait.

[B]

The three, they don't want to wait, you know, two, three weeks to have an impact. Plus, you know, exogenous, which is external testosterone put into your body, gets you to, you know, a higher level of testosterone sometimes. You know, a lot of people that are taking injectable testosterone are trying to get the super physiological levels right. 1500, 2000 levels, they're not great. You introduce a whirlwind of side effects with that. However, enclomiphene will do the same thing. If you're just looking to normalize and optimize your hormones, enclomiphene, normally under the age of 35, 40, will get you into a great category, make you feel good, and not put you into a super physiological level. And it goes, there's a bigger piece here within Clomiphene. You literally don't have the same problems that you do with injectable testosterone. Testicular shrinkage, zero hair loss, minimized. All of the side effects that are possible with testosterone are minimized. Like with 80, 90% with enclosed.

[A]

Why is that?

[B]

It's because it's exogenous versus endogenous. Exogenous testosterone. You're injecting something external to the body and putting in that's not natural to the body. It is a natural hormone. But you're taking something outside the body, putting in that's what will cause testicular shrinkage. Because your body's like, oh, I don't need to produce testosterone. Our levels are high. Enclomiphene is endogenous, meaning you're taking a pill that forces your body to create more testosterone naturally. So, in essence, I mean, technically, your ball should get bigger. You should produce a lot more testosterone naturally in the body. Yeah, I'm.

[A]

I'm excited to see how I'm gonna feel. Cause I'll be honest, you know, at 40, I feel pretty damn good. Like, my energy is good. I'm very dialed. I have very, very high motivation. I have high confidence level as it is. But I do notice, like, some of the side effects. Like, I feel like my body's ability to put on muscle is not what it once was. And I feel like sometimes my energy levels are a little bit lower than what it once was. And so I'm, you know, at this level, you know, entrepreneurship, you know, as a founder, as a CEO, you're putting out fires left and right. You're managing different arms of the business, different teams. There's a lot of problems that you're solving every single week. There's dozens of decisions to be made every single day. Every single day, people are trying to take what you built, and it's like going to war some weeks. Right? And so at this level, you know, I'm always looking for that competitive advantage. And what does that next edge look like for me? And how can I Get even more optimized. How can I get even more dialed? You know, forget all the other stuff you can do, like eliminating alcohol, being sober, getting a good night of sleep, going to bed early. Like, that's all the stuff we can control. But it's like, okay, what's the next level from here? And that's getting your blood work done, getting freaking optimized. And that's what I'm excited for.

[B]

Yeah. Well, here's what's cool. Look at the guys that are your age and even older. Look at like Bezos. Like, look at the transformations he's made. Look at Zuck. Zuck looked like he walked out of the IT lab. Now Zuck's got bicep veins.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look at the transition. I don't know. I do not know a high performer, entrepreneur, CEO, anyone that is literally executing at the highest level that is not in the hormone optimization peptide game. I do not know a single human that is optimistic. Like, literally it's life changing because you get everything that you had when you had that drive, that energy when you were younger, you know, early twenties, you get that back in your forties, you get that back in your fifties.

[A]

That's so good. So, so you can almost tie it to, hey, if this is a high level CEO, founder, entrepreneur, business owner, real estate investor, if they're performing at a certain threshold, chances are they're optimized. They got their blood work on, they got some hormone therapy, peptide therapy, that sort of thing.

[B]

I will put my life on it.

[A]

What percentage would you say?

[B]

80 at the highest levels?

[A]

Damn.

[B]

80% of the highest levels. Why? Is because there's a team around them. Most of the great leaders, most of the great people have a team around them that help them get where they need to be. They've got their assistants, they've got their trainers, they've got their cooks, they've got all of these things around them, people that are helping them. It's just one additional person to the team. Your medical provider, your hormone specialist, your wellness specialist, your anti aging specialist. Like, let's be honest, we're chasing the money. We're chasing the money because we want a certain image. We want to attain a certain thing. Once you are getting that money now you want, you start to look at like, what are you showing up like on social media? What do you look like on video? You start to become more self conscious of some of those things as you get older.

[A]

If you're on camera every day, you want to look good.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

So I say for people that want to get on shape or get in shape. One of the best accountability forums is to get on camera. If you're on camera, you want to. Want to look good and be confident. And so what I was going to ask you, I want to transition here and ask you about this. What is NAD plus? I also never heard of that until recently. I started taking the nmn, which is like, I believe it prevents NAD plus deficiency, but break down. What is NAD precursor?

[B]

So NAD plus, people think it's a peptide. It's not. It's a coenzyme. Without NAD in our body, we die, period. We die. It's responsible for repairing the mitochondria. Mitochondria is the powerhouse of every cell in your body. ATP, food, energy, helps you execute efficiently. The cell. So nad, it depletes as we get older. Right. When you're at 40 years old, you probably have 50%. Don't quote me on it, 50% of what you did when you were younger. Injecting NAD plus or running an IV of NAD plus repairs all your mitochondria so fast. Now it's gonna be a crazy comparison that I give for those of you that, you know, understand drugs and stuff. When we were doing them, we were younger. NAD plus is the only thing that you can take out of, like, the coenzyme wellness category, that if you take enough, you will feel like you just took a bump of cocaine. You will feel the most amazing. It will feel anxiety in your chest. You'll feel this tightness in the back.

[A]

You're not getting anxiety.

[B]

You'll get massive chest tightness for, like, 15 seconds at the right dose.

[A]

And I hear people say that their stomachs burn.

[B]

Well, here. Stomachs burn. Maybe the biggest thing that we see is you feel this, like, chest pressure. Like, we've had people like, I'm having a heart attack. No, you're not. You're not having a heart attack. In about three minutes, it'll go away. You take a normal dose, right? People start out with 25 milligrams, 50 milligrams. You know, as you get older, you can take a lot larger dose because you're more deficient in nad. But NAD is the single most popular drug that we have at the company outside of probably testosterone. Yeah, it is. It is fascinating of a. Of a product, what it can do for you. You get so much energy from it. Brain fog. It helps out with every part of. Of the energy production and the cellular.

[A]

So you'll have less brain fog, more clarity, mental clarity, and it will help you level up as a, as a business owner.

[B]

Yeah. Right one's muscle. Right. Testosterone's hormones, confidence y NAD plus is, is amazing for energy cellular repair and just helping you with anti aging.

[A]

Yep. So question for you. Should, should someone listening to this right now if they want to get dialed, should they take NAD plus or should they take the NMN or a combination of both.

[B]

I like NAD plus. So there's four major like mitochondria repair products, prevention products, building products. One's a coenzyme that's going to be NAD plus and then three others going to be SS31 peptide, five Amino, one MQ peptide, MOT C peptide. All three of those are all big mitochondria energy production, big cellular repair products that, that are available in the market. I'm not a big fan of NMN precursor stuff. I just really like taking the NAD raw and then using peptides that'll go in and increase and, and modulate within the body to help out with energy production.

[A]

Okay, got it. So will the NMN increase your NAD plus levels or it just kind of prevents you from losing it?

[B]

I don't believe like there's clinical studies that'll show both sides. That's a crazy part about medicine. I'm not a big fan about, you know, with NMN, but there's clinical studies on both sides. You've got 10 peer reviewed studies that say it's amazing. You've got 10 peer reviewed Studies that say it doesn't work. Personally I'm not a big fan of nmn. I love NAD plus and the peptides around it. I, it doesn't work. It's going to do something. There's enough studies that shows it does something. I would just rather go with the other products. It's like, you know, do you want to fill up with 87 octane or 93 octane? I'd rather go something that's going to

[A]

be a better boost for 93 all day. Okay, so what would you suggest for someone like me? I'm obviously I'm getting on the clomiphene which is going to give me a boost already in energy and confidence and all that. And then if I want to go with some sort of NAD plus and peptide, what would you suggest for me and what's the frequency, what's the dosage, what does that look like?

[B]

Yeah. So there's two ways to look at this. Everybody comes like Phil, what peptides should I, should I be on? What do I need? You don't need a peptide. You don't need it. Your body's not deficient in the peptide. Right? Hormones are needs, peptides are wants. Hormones you can physically see on a chart. You're deficient, we replace those. Peptides are wants. So I put the question back on everybody is, what do you want? Like, there's 7,000 peptides in your body right now. 7,000 peptides in your body. I was like, do you want better hair? Do you want better skin? Do you want more energy? Do you want better muscle? Do you want more muscle? You want to recover faster? Like, there's so many different wants you've got to pick. It's. This is a world of whatever it is that you're looking to solve for, there's an option or something that can help increase that level of what you're looking for.

[A]

Now the NAD plus therapy you mentioned, you go in, you get it, you inject it, and it's, it makes you, you feel weird for a little bit. For three minutes. How often? And it's iv, right?

[B]

You can run all, you can do im, sub Q or iv. So I do we, we ship out intramuscular or subcutaneous nad. It's, that's for self injection.

[A]

Can you take it orally too or no?

[B]

So orally I don't believe works very well. Our bodies are very toxic. Our stomach acid is crazy. Even oral peptides like BPC and PDA,

[A]

you won't digest most of it.

[B]

You're getting like a 3% absorption rate.

[A]

Yeah, got it, got it. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So you got to take a lot.

[A]

So, so iv, if you did the iv, how often, what's the frequency that, that you should be on it or

[B]

doing it iv, you can do once a month. Once, you know, once every, you know, every two weeks.

[A]

And when you notice a big lift, you'll feel different.

[B]

Right. Everybody's different. But I feel NAD is my favorite product. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I take a lot of energy. I take 100 milligrams a day. I am every single day.

[A]

Okay, Right.

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

What does that do?

[B]

It just, it makes me. It just helps me with cognitive function, helps me with energy. I'm going to be 45, so it helps me think better. You know, normally I'm a lot slower. I'm just kidding. But no, you like, it just gives you that energy. It makes you feel better than you ever have. Right. You combine testosterone therapy with NAD and some other peptides. Right. That you'll figure out over time, but it just makes you feel overall better.

[A]

Yeah, Like, I mean, I, I can feel the energy Right now, man, you're glowing, you're confident, you're like, you're ready to run through a brick wall. Man, I like it. So, okay, so that's, that's the combo right there. Um, and then you mentioned that there's peptides for all sorts of different stuff. You even mentioned hair loss. Talk about that. Like, what is the peptide for hair loss? Because most men, they want to go get a hair transplant, they go to Turkey, right? People go to istanbul, you spend 5,000, 6,000 bucks, you get a hair transplant. But you're saying there's a peptide now that will do that.

[B]

You've got GHKCU that helps out a lot, you know, with skin hair. It's huge with women right now injecting ghkcu, you got finasteride, biotin, minoxidil. So many other hair products that are available in the market. You've got GH, IGF1, growth hormone producing peptides, growth hormone reducing, releasing hormones. There's so many different things that, that you can do now. Hair loss is genetic, right? A lot of hair loss is genetic. Taking high doses of testosterone will actually increase hair loss. So, you know, caveat there, a lot of men that you see that are super jacked, most of them are bald. There's a reason for that, right? And so it'll cause hair loss. But there's so many different things that are available in the market. There's also, you know, you've got PRP stuff, micro needling. There's just a ton of other things for hair loss, specifically the big peptides that I think that we don't talk about enough for like Tessa Morlin, Impamorel and CJC 1295, Samorelin, all the GHRHs and GHRPs. I mean, Tessa Morland is an amazing GHRH, GHRP. It, it literally goes in it, it releases more, it releases more growth hormone from your pituitary gland, which will increase your IGF1 levels and you'll get stronger because of it. But what the actual prescription was for, it was known as the AIDS patient drug called the Grifta commercial. And it literally goes in and eats visceral fat. So you want to slimmer waistline, you want to have, you know, organ, you know, it literally goes in and eats the fat around your organs. Imagine if you walked around with a 40 pound bag on your back every day and you could drop 20 of it or you could drop the whole bag off your body. Our organs have fat on them. Tessamoreline goes into the body and eats visceral fat right off the organs and helps reduce it. Yeah, so that's a great, amazing peptide.

[A]

So they got peptides for everything today. Are all peptides injectable?

[B]

No, but most peptides are injected. Yeah, most peptides are injectable. So you've got things like 5Amino, 1 MQ, BPC157, Pentadeca, Arginine, Couple Orals that, that work well. But for the most part because our stomach is so acidic and peptides are so fragile that you want to inject them in the body in order to have the most bioavailability.

[A]

Okay, is GLP1 Ozempic? Is that a peptide? It is, it is, yeah. Okay. And GLP1. I mean, this is, this is becoming a big phenomenon across the country right now.

[B]

Craze, man.

[A]

You mentioned before we started recording potentially up to 20 million Americans already on this GLP1. I'd be curious to see what the real data is here. I'll look it up as we talk. But what is GLP1? Ozempic.

[B]

Yeah. So GLP1, you've got Ozempic, tirzepatide, you've got the most popular drug. Read a true tide right now. I mean, all of these drugs are weight loss drugs, but more importantly, we're learning that they do so much more than weight loss. Like, they help out your body, do so many different things. Anti aging effects, glucose control, every thing from reducing heart attacks, heart disease, and so many additional things. GLP1s are amazing. Unfortunately, people are abusing GLP1s. Right. They're using it as a shortcut just to lose weight.

[A]

Damn. Guess what this says.

[B]

What's it say?

[A]

31 million Americans estimated to currently be on GLP1s. And this is according to 2025 data. I'd imagine this thing's probably closer to 40 million Americans now. Yeah. That's crazy.

[B]

It's pervasive.

[A]

So 12% of US adults currently using GLP1, up significantly from prior years. Damn. Amongst Americans with diagnosed diabetes. And this is according to the Washington post and the CDC. So take it for what it is. But 2024 found that 6% were currently users. And amongst Americans with diagnosed diabetes, more than one in four Americans are using GLP1 injectables. One in four. That's crazy.

[B]

The data. The data is there. The drugs are amazing. In the right hands, under the right guidance, with the right nutrition and the right workout regimen. Otherwise you just look skinny. Fat.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

If you're not eating enough protein, you don't have your ass in the gym and you're not doing the right things, you're going to look worse than when you did before. You would look better fat with a nice plump face than you did when it just drooping.

[A]

I, I know some, I know some people on it and they, they kind of like you said, they don't, they don't look like they're in shape because I think it's an. When I, when I view, when I think of someone in shape, I think of a bodybuilder, someone that has nice lean muscle or they're at least tone and some good shape to their body lean on the body fat side. But they, they have nice tone and muscle mass. Now the GLP one, I know people that are on it and they, like you said, they look kind of, they don't look healthy. They look a little bit of skinny fat. They're never hungry when you're around them. They might have a couple bites of their lunch and then they don't eat the rest of it, but they don't, they look kind of frail to me. Is that the people, like, why do people desire to have that look? Because to me, I don't, I'm not attracted to that look.

[B]

I think they're lazy. Like, they're lazy. Like if you want to look a certain way, it requires a certain level

[A]

of discipline and you got to put in the work.

[B]

That's it. You got to put in the work. They are actually a cheat code. I'll give it to it. GLP ones are a cheat code. However, you don't eat enough protein, you lose muscle. You're 41 years old, right? Let's say you take a GLP1, you lose, right? Because you're going to lose some muscle.

[A]

Because I'm not going to be hungry, Right?

[B]

Right. You're going to lose some muscle. Your body's going to go catabolic. It's going to start to eat itself. That's what happens when you're not eating enough calories. That's crazy, right? And you're not eating enough protein. So now you're losing muscle. The big problem with GLP1s is people take it. They don't work out, they don't do the protein. And what happens is they lose a certain percentage of muscle. Let's call it 30% of the weight loss. 40% of the weight loss is muscle. Do you know how hard it is to get muscle back in your 40s? Let's talk about 50s and 60s. So then how are you ever Going to get off the drug. You can't because you don't have enough muscle to keep the weight off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you, you have less muscle than you did before. So your metabolic burn rate, your body's

[A]

going to burn less because you're burning all your muscles.

[B]

Yeah. Your metabolic burn rate is way lower because you have less muscle and you can't. It's so hard once you get in your 40s and 50s, 60s, to get that muscle back.

[A]

Yeah. Like, what is that rate? For every pound of muscle you gain, your body's going to burn in extra X amount of calories at rest. What. What is that ratio, do you know? Off the top?

[B]

No idea. Off the top of my head. All I know is that to prevent the burn. To prevent the burn on GLP1s, you need at least one gram of protein per one pound of body weight. So if you're 200 pounds, you need 200 grams of protein minimum to help the prevention of.

[A]

So how do you, how do you eat? Because the people I know that are on it, I mean, they. You go to lunch with them and they'll have two bites of their salad and they can't even finish a salad. So how do you. How do you eat if you're on it?

[B]

I think they're on the wrong dose.

[A]

They're on.

[B]

Yeah, they're on too high of a dose. Why is. Because they're like, oh, it's working. So they go to a higher dose. You only want to go as high of a dose as long as it's still working. So let's just say if you're losing weight at the lowest dose and the schedule says to go up, don't go up. Stay at that dose.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's working until it doesn't work.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Until you're back eating like a pig again. And then raise the dose again. Like, the schedule is a guide, it's not the law. Same thing with doctors and our medical providers. They're guides. They're like, well, I feel like taking this medication. Then stop. Like, don't continue. Like you, you're a guide and you're helping people get to where they want to be. If things aren't working for you because everybody's different, identical twins have different results even though they have the same DNA. What makes me think you and me are going to get the exact same results? So just listen to your body.

[A]

Yeah. 100%, man. That's. That's good. I don't know that I'll ever get on it.

[B]

I thought you Needed.

[A]

I don't. I don't know that I'll ever get on it, but it's crazy to me to see this, this, this phenomenon that's kind of happening across the country, but I think I'm good on that one. But anyways. Okay, so is it true that Retta True Tide preserves muscle mass? If you're on GLP1, I'm gonna tell

[B]

you right now, every social media influencer online thinks Reddit True Tide is this amazing drug that doesn't burn, and they're all full of shit because eli Lilly spent $2 billion plus making this drug, Right? The company that literally spent the money to make the drug. Don't you think they want to make that claim and say we're better than Tirzepatide and semaglutide? And this is why it is a stronger weight loss drug by far. 28. Almost 29% weight loss compared to 22% for tirzepatide, 15% for semaglutide on average, for the clinical studies. But there's no indication at all that it preserves any more muscle than any of the other GLP ones. And if there was an indication, they would have been all over it on the reports. So when people think that retatrutide is like this greatest drug in the world. Tirzepatide is already FDA approved under Manjaro and Zepbound. It's already 22% weight loss, total weight loss over the clinical. Why not just start there before going to the single most aggressive weight loss drug that's on the market? The thing is, it's just faster, right? It's a quicker cheat code. It's that much stronger, right? You're looking at 7%. Pardon me. Seven. Yeah. 7% body fat, more loss in the clinical, that's what, 33, 35% stronger weight loss. I mean, you could lose 20 pounds in a month. 30 pounds in a month. If you really wanted to.

[A]

I'm curious, what are your thoughts? Like, what percentage of people that are on the. The GLP1, Ozempic, any, any of these weight loss stuff? How many. How many of them do you think are actually working out on a. On a regularly weekly routine in the gym?

[B]

Honest to God, I'd probably say like 30, 20.

[A]

Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. They're not even going to the gym.

[B]

20, 30. Why is. Because. Why did they get on the GLP1 in the first place?

[A]

They don't want to put in the work.

[B]

They don't want to put in the work. And listen, they are fascinating drugs. They're amazing. In the right hands with the right dose, and you got the right guidance, right workout, the right protein. It's amazing.

[A]

Do you feel amazing, though? Because I can't.

[B]

I'm on it.

[A]

I can't imagine you're on it.

[B]

I'm on it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I don't. Come off it. I love it. Yeah. Because then I.

[A]

But you're. You're jacked, though. You got a lot of muscle mass. So what's the key to being on it and looking jacked?

[B]

Yeah. So first is nutrition. Right. Make sure you get your protein intake. The second one is. I think it should be illegal, Truly, I think it should be illegal to prescribe a GLP One by itself should be illegal. You should have to include testosterone, hormone therapy for those that qualify for it. Or you should, at minimum, take a GHRH or a GHRP or IGF one, something to mitigate and prevent muscle loss. And so you want something to counter the effect of the body. So if you're in the gym three days a week, if you're eating the right protein, you add in a ghrh, ghrp, or you add in testosterone, it will absolutely minimize the total amount of muscle lost. And that. That's the key. I'm on the, you know, crazy statistic I'll give you right here. I'm on the absolute maximum dose, really, of truezepathide.

[A]

And so why are you on it? Because you don't look like you need to be honest.

[B]

I eat like a pig, man. Okay. I like eating pretzel bread and pizza. I have a daughter, she's 11 years old. You know, Mac and cheese is left over. I'm like, I'm gonna eat the Mac and cheese.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You like to eat every now and then, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when you're not on it, you tend to eat a lot more calories.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're a lot more shredded on it.

[B]

Yeah. Correct. Yeah. It maintains. As long as I eat protein and as long as I'm in the gym pushing hard, it absolutely is the game changer that. That keeps me looking lean.

[A]

So give me an example. Like, before, you could go pig out and. And have a 5,000, 6,000 calorie meal, no problem. Now there's no way in hell you'd have the appetite to eat that same.

[B]

I can do it. No, I can eat. You can still do it. Yeah, I can eat food and still. This is what I look like eating. Good, good. Food.

[A]

And that's because you're on a very low dosage.

[B]

No, I'm on a high dose.

[A]

You're on a high dose?

[B]

I'm on a high dose. At a certain point, like when you're on the high dose, you're eating food. It'll help you with your insulin resistance and everything else.

[A]

But are you hungry and is the food taste good? Yes, it does.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Interesting. So what's different?

[B]

I've been on it for a while, though. I'm going on three years. I was 270 pounds.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah, 30, 33, 35% body fat before I started. I was.

[A]

So this is a whole new.

[B]

Yeah, this is a whole new look. I didn't look like this before. Yeah, this is brand new for a few years ago. So I jumped on it. It. I went from 35% body fat to 70. Today I'm 210 and 8% body fat. Yeah. So it was like a drastic change. And that initial click, that initial push happened in like 10 months.

[A]

What do you think, Oscar? You get you down to get on some of this or what? Yeah.

[B]

No, Red, get out of here. No, Oscar's too young.

[A]

He's only 20. 25 or 26? 26. 26, but damn, that's crazy, man. So do you think Ozempic will. Will bankrupt America?

[B]

No, because I think that Trump will come in and he's gonna put. He's gonna put some guardrails on what they can charge us. It's crazy that Ozempic overseas and Tirzepatite overseas. All these brand names overseas are way less than they are in America. I mean, fractional prices that they charge them. The same thing with Botox and everything else.

[A]

Yeah, like Botox not cheap. Yeah, I get diced up every three months. And actually we got Dr. Christy Shaw coming over on Thursday this week. It's. We're due. But my girlfriend, I will do it every three months. And it's not cheap. I mean, it's almost a thousand bucks every three months.

[B]

And you go overseas, it'd probably be 400.

[A]

But I don't, I don't trust that stuff. I'm like, dude, because, because I, I hear some horror stories, people getting bad Botox, and I'm like, I'm good. I don't want people messing with my, my face like that.

[B]

Yeah, you know, it. It's the brand names overseas. If you go to legit suppliers. Good. Yeah. The brand names, I'm not saying go down to Rocky Point, Mexico or nothing.

[A]

Yeah, right. But if These people have these Botox parties and they have like Mexican Botox. I'm like, I'm good on that. Yeah. Trying to save a couple of bucks. You know, I'm good on that.

[B]

That's just like research peptides. Think about this. Like everybody right now is in this black market, gray market research peptide craze. 70%, 70% of research peptides tested don't pass damn 7 0. Back in January the reports were 40. But not everybody in the world selling these stupid research peptides. You get your hairdresser selling research peptides right now. But yeah, I mean you want to talk about like product quality, like find quality product from licensed pharmacies. You're putting this in your body just like you're talking about your face. You're a little bit more cognitive because it's your face. Right? But think about, people are putting stuff in their bodies underneath their skin, immediate access to their brain, health, heart health, kidney.

[A]

I wouldn't mess with that either. Yeah, I wouldn't mess with that either.

[B]

And that, but that, that's what like people are doing. Four out of five Americans right now are doing. They're getting gray market nonsense. And, and it's killing, it's, it's, it's killing the market because people are not educated. They're not educated and they think it's, oh yeah, it's, you know, I buy it from you because it's that it's so much more expensive and you want to make this money. It's not like people don't realize how inexpensive these are even from a pharmacy.

[A]

So Phil, where do you see, where do you foresee this going if we look into the future, right? Because I don't think anyone would have predicted we would be where we are today with, with all these peptides. We're talking GLP ones, Ozempic and like I don't think anyone would have predicted this 10, 15 years ago. So where, where is this going to go the next, over the next 10 years? I mean are we going to just be in this world where anything you want to do, you just take a, take a shot and, and it just

[B]

happens or I think we're at the five, our own five yard line, 95 yards to go to the next end zone.

[A]

And what's that, what's that next end zone look?

[B]

And like there's 7,000 peptides in the body. There's maybe 200 that we know about or even people have used 6,800 more. That between AI research, clinical and everything else that we'll be able to do things to our body and change things in our body that we never knew was possible. Will elongate life where. I mean, with peptides and where medicine's headed right now. We're going to take ourselves in the 121-40-year-old range of living. We are going to. You know, the biggest danger of GLP1s right now is not the cost of bankrupting this country for the cost of the meds, it's Social Security, because people are going to live a lot longer because managing sugar and your glucose is the single biggest killer of us. Like, it's cancer, it's what feeds cancers, it's what causes obesity, it's what causes so many things. If you manage that lifespan will increase significantly over time. And so I look at this, we're at the forefront, we're like groundbreaking of where we are. We, we are in the tech boom of biology for the human body.

[A]

Interesting. That's that. I'll be interested to kind of see how this plays out, where it navigates. Because, you know, like you said, AI, all these medicines, it's just, it's happening at a faster and faster and faster rate. I mean, I think it wasn't that long ago to where we didn't have Internet. You think about your parents, you know, they're Dayton. There's no Internet, there's no cell phones, there's no social media. Not that long ago. And so if you look at the grand scheme of things, like the history of Earth, really the forefront of where we are today is all really just the last 20, 30 years before that. I mean, it wasn't that long ago. They didn't have airplanes, if, you know, if you think about it. So it'd be interesting to kind of see where this, this navigates. So I want to switch gears here and, and transition a little bit. You know, I think a lot of men today have gotten soft. If you look at, you know, our parents generation, our grandparents generation, you know, men traditionally were providers that go out, they hunt, provide, and, and today, you know, it's. It's almost like the gender roles have, have flipped. You know, if you look at my team, you know, if you look at most of my team members, they're all female. There's a reason for that. It's not by design, but it's because a lot of men that I've tried to hire are very soft. They don't take constructive criticism very well. They're insecure, they're not loyal, they don't know how to Work hard. And it's almost like the gender roles are flipped. I mean, if you look at some of the world's most successful, you know, people, a lot of these folks are. Are women now. And I think there's a stat that, that, that came out. Women now own more real estate than men in America. These are single woman versus single men. But you're seeing a lot of men out there that are. Have gotten really soft. They're living at home with their parents, in their 30s, playing video games. They don't have any motivation, testosterone levels that are all time low. Like, where does this. Where does this go from here?

[B]

Men today are. It's an embarrassment. Like, we're an embarrassment as a culture, right? We're rewarding mediocrity. We used to have this masculinity rewarded first, second, third place. Now we hand out participation trophies. We. We used to have this world where a man could be a man. And when you said alpha or when you said masculine, that wasn't frowned upon. Now we have a new definition of. Of what an alpha man is, right? You've got Andrew Tate and these guys, and that's what they. That's what they compare it to. When you say masculine or alpha man, they're like, oh, you're just like the Tates. Are we? Or did we just lose the definition of what masculinity and what being an alpha man is? And that is, like you said, a protector, a provider. And creating a safe place for people to be around. Create a safe place for your family, your woman. And when you walk in the room, energy shifts. Why? Because, like, he's here. It walks in your energy, walks into the room before you even get there. We've lost that. And why have we lost that is because we've allowed feminism, we've allowed all of this toxic masculine. What is toxic masculinity? What does that even mean? You're just a dick and an asshole. There's nothing toxic about like. Like what. What is toxic masculinity? You're just a bad person. True masculinity is just being a man showing up, you know, making, Leading by example. Like, when a alpha man. Like, the strongest alpha men that you know, the strongest alpha men that you know are the quietest dudes in the room. They're that guy that sits in the back of the room. He's got the T shirt on. He's unassuming. Why? Because he's confident and he's an alpha. He doesn't need the spotlight. He doesn't need to Be at the forefront. He doesn't need the attention because he is him. And that's what we've lost is now it's glitz, glamour. Do it for the gram. Get the car, get the watch, get the shoes, have the brand name. That's their new identity. Their new identity is their Instagram likes, posts, and things. So we've decided to purchase our characteristics instead of becoming the man that we're supposed to be. We want to buy it. We want to buy the attention. Why not just be him? When you walk in, people feel you in the room. They know that you're there. And that's where I think we've gotten away from. And quite frankly, testosterone had a little bit to do with it, but culture change had a ton to do with it. Like, you just. It wasn't rewarded.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, we got. We got kids identifying as lions and kittens in the classroom. Like, what's this world coming to?

[A]

Yeah, no, I know. And I don't know when all this stuff started, but what shifted this, like, big picture in your mind?

[B]

We had the MeToo movement. We have feminism rise. We had the marginalization of men in, you know, all of these movies. I mean, even look at the Barbie movie and a lot of these things. It. We've just decided to shift gender roles. And it's not necessarily, like, women have stepped up. Like you said, like, look at the women on your team right now. Women have stepped up to take, you know, command, to take lead. Not because they wanted to, but because they were put in a position where they had no choice.

[A]

Dude, the. The girls on my team, they'll tell me when they go on a first date. A lot of these dudes are splitting the bill on the first date. What are your thoughts with men that are splitting the bill on the first date?

[B]

I don't think they should be dating. Like, the bottom line is, is if you can't afford to date, don't date. Like, women are expensive, right? There's no such thing. I said this on so many different pods. Like, women are expensive. Women are expensive. There's no such thing as a gold digger, in my opinion. Find one in your price range and stay in that lane. Like, I tell this to my daughter. Like, if you want your woman to look a certain way, that's going to require a certain budget. If you want your woman, he's like, oh, man, she wants her nails done. Well, you want to go out with her without her nails done? She's like, oh, she always wants this dress, and she needs her Hair done. You want her to go out without her hair done.

[A]

And it's, you want your woman to look good when you go out.

[B]

And guess what? Your woman is a reflection of you. When I go out, I don't wear brand name anything on my body. I don't have brand name anything. The woman. Like this is so crazy for men to think about. When a man walks into a restaurant with his woman, don't look at what he's wearing, look at what she's wearing. You want to know a man's wealth? Look at a man's woman. Look at her purse, look at what she's wearing, and then look at him. Most men that I know, the wealthiest of the wealthiest men in my circle, they look homeless half the time. Yeah, they look homeless. It's just T shirt flip flops and their woman looks amazing. And how does that happen? He's obviously funding that, but like splitting a bill. Like, how do you feel like a man. How do you feel like a man?

[A]

It's embarrassed. It's embarrassing.

[B]

I would be embarrassed if that happened to my daughter. Next. Like next. Yeah, it would never happen. This is the problem today.

[A]

They say if you want to spot the true alpha in a room full of guys that are in suits and ties, it's, it's usually the one guy that's in that room with all these men full of suits and ties that's sitting there in just street clothes, T shirt, very casual. Because he's proven that he can, you know, he doesn't have to dress up to get the attention to get what he wants. He can wear whatever the fuck he wants.

[B]

Yeah. Mark Cuban says that. He says beware of the man in the T shirt, right?

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Why? Because he earned it. He earned the right to wear a T shirt. And that's same same thing with me. Like when I go into a room, I'm not dressing up. Why am I dressing up? You normally want something from me. Like I'm not wanting something from somebody else. And, and I think that's, that's the key is, is when you get to a certain point in life, why do you want to impress somebody else? Like if you come in a room and you're wearing a real fancy watch, I can know a lot of things about you. If it's a Rolex, you like luxury things. You can't afford an ap, Right? If you're wearing a Patek, I'm paying you too much money. No matter what you're charging me, I don't know what it is, but that the gross margin that you're producing, like it gives you reads when you're meeting people. Give them minimalist things to read you on.

[A]

What are some other watches?

[B]

You got aps, you've got yoggers.

[A]

What does that mean if someone's rocking a yogurt?

[B]

I mean, Yaga. It depends, man. They're all sorts of. It's crazy. Watch game today has changed. Like the watch game, you could, you could have a. The Rolex, you know, the gold Rolex, or that you change the Tiffany. What was it? I just saw this the other day. This is psychotic. The new Patek Philippe. And you have. It's got a blue face. Patek Philippe, Tiffany blue face.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It is stainless steel. Stainless steel watch. Tiffany blue face. Million and a half.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

And you get like the non Tiffany blue phase, like 80. I mean, it was the craziest stuff I've ever seen.

[A]

What does it mean if someone's rocking a Rolex?

[B]

I don't know, man. It's different for everybody. For me, he's like, he's like, check the Rolex.

[A]

Oscar is a big gloss guy. I'm not a big watch guy, so I don't know. But all, all the guests that come on the show, he always points out to me and he knows all the watches. But some of these guys come in, they got million dollar watches on, and he'll point it out to me. I don't, I don't know watches, but I'm curious, like, what does that mean if someone's watching?

[B]

I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't judge the watches because I have them, right? I have the watches. I like Rolexes, I like all the watches. I just, I think about, like the highest businessmen in the world, like the smartest businessmen I know, they're going to judge you right away based on their watch, based on how you look. And why is that so important? Is because you're giving them reads. You're letting them. You're giving them read. They're checking your jacket, they're checking your brands, they're looking at your body. Like, how much, like, how much information do you want to give them in that meeting? Yeah, and so the less information you can provide, the better, because they can't.

[A]

They can't rock a T shirt is what you're saying.

[B]

That's it, man.

[A]

T shirt and a nice rock a T shirt. Yeah, Yeah. I love it, dude. I love it. I'm curious, do you. You said some of your most successful friends, their woman's Are like the, the most put together, best dressed. But I'm curious, do you also see a direct correlation with your most successful friends, affluent friends, and the age gap between them and their partners?

[B]

You're seeing it. It's across the board. It depends on the man, right? I'm going to say it depends on the maturity of the man and where he's at in life. Where is he at in his business, where's he at in his trajectory of his career? As you get into the later trajectory of your career and you've made it, there's nothing to impress anymore. They typically go towards younger women. I think that in the middle of your trajectory that you, you have someone closer to your age because you need the maturity. You need a person that can help you be that power couple to balance. Right. To help you build. Because there's nothing better than having an amazing woman by your side when you're building because she's going to empower you and be one of the key like influencers in helping you get to where you want to be. Warren Buffett says it every day, the single greatest decision of your life's a woman you choose to marry. And so that you know, you make that bad decision, I don't care what you do in your life. I agree that, that that's not going away. So making sure that your partner. But I see a lot of younger women going for older guys. They want the maturity. Why do they do it? They want the maturity, they want the safety, they want the security. Obviously they want to live a lavish lifestyle and do it for the gram or for whatever reason, you know, 22, 25. But I think the maturity level of those women, if you're going through the grind, if you're in the middle of your trajectory, couldn't be a bigger cataclysmic mistake because of the level of attention they need, the misunderstandings that they're not. I got to go on another business meeting. They're not going to understand that. Right. But the level of maturity of the woman at that time in the right age range and it's different for everybody. I'm not calling out specific age ranges, but for sure. But that level of maturity couldn't be more important.

[A]

Yeah, but you're, you're right. And I, I think generally speaking, the more successful a man or fluent or higher net worth, the, the younger his partner is. Generally speaking, it's not a one all, be all. But I also think that like high value woman tend to date up in age too, because men and women mature At a different rate. Right. And so, you know, I think about, my girlfriend's 25, I'll be 41 this year. She's very mature for her age. She understands like all the stuff, like I talk to her about all the stuff that's, you know, going on from the business perspective, everything, and she understands all that stuff. But to think about her dating a 25 year old dude, that's a, that's a whole nother level of maturity. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I don't, I don't see like, like the younger girls today. I don't see any of these 25, 27 year olds with a, a person their same age. It's very rare right now.

[A]

It is very rare.

[B]

Yeah. You've seen like at least 35. 37 is because you want someone that has established, you know, I think we're maturing way less today than men. Specifically. We're maturing way less today than we did 30, 40 years ago. Like it's, you know, like you said, there's still people at home in their 30s, playing video games with their, you know, living in their parents basement.

[A]

Yeah, like that's 35 year old men.

[B]

That's embarrassing.

[A]

Yeah. Don't even have their own spot, man.

[B]

No man, I think. But you know, getting back to the woman's side you talked about, the powerful woman is, is going back. You know, a lot of men right now that I talk to, I coach a lot of young, young men and they say yeah, but you know, she's like an alpha, she's like an alpha woman. And you're, he's like, yeah, I could never do that with her. And he's like, yeah, she'll never, you know, she's never going to let somebody in. I would tell you from experience, the strongest, most alpha, dominant, masculine women in the world want to have a man in their life, a real alpha in their life, more than all of the rest put together. And they don't know how to do it. They want it so desperately. And when the right man comes into one of those powerful alpha woman's life, she becomes a 10 year old little girl and melts in his arms. And it is beautiful to watch them when they come home from their powerful position, their CEO job, running a company, they don't want to run the household again. They want to be able to put the bag down and just fall into their man's arms. But it's up to you to create that safe place, that safety, that protection, that security. I don't think that there's anybody, I don't think that there's truly an alpha woman in the world today that doesn't want a strong man by her side that where she can just zone out and forget where she's going.

[A]

That's powerful. And so why do you think you see alpha woman that, that might have more of a submissive type. Submissive type of man that, that they date or, or marry? Because I do see this a lot and it's typically when women date a guy that's the same age, again this is generalization. Right. But a woman that dates a guy that's the same age, generally I will see if it's an alpha woman and she has a partner that's more submissive. There's usually not a, a big age gap. It's usually a similar age. Why is that?

[B]

It's easier to control. Like if she's a strong woman, she's used to being in control. And so if she gets somebody close to her age, you know, one men mature slower than women. So same age, he's going to be less mature than she is. He doesn't have the financial means, you know, at that age that yeah. To provide. So she's just going to use like it's, I've seen it, I'm not saying it's every woman, but she's going to use her position of power and she's going to use her masculinity to dominate him and she's gonna, you know, keep control. And that's, and that's ideally what happens. But then you go to a man like you, 40 years old with a 25 year old, that control, that separation just by age, knowledge, education, experience, providing financial means, leadership, masculinity, all of those things come into play where they wouldn't, they wouldn't try to control and keep the reins from you. They'll, they'll let you drive.

[A]

Yeah. And so on the flip side, when you see these masculine women that are, or alpha women that are with these guys that are more submissive, that's when you see these guys that say hey, decision making, they're like, I gotta, I gotta talk to my spouse, I gotta see what she thinks or making plans to go out on date night, it's like, hey, I'm gonna go see what my wife wants to do.

[B]

That's why you see that it blows my mind to think that the guy is not a leader. Like 11 year old daughter I have when she grows up and she's dating and I'm like Hey, where you going tonight? She goes, I don't know. I haven't, you know, decided. He hasn't, he hasn't told me anything. He asked me where I wanted to go. Like, that's not a man. Like, I want, I want my daughter. And I want all women who experience this is have a man that says, hey honey, be ready at 7 o', clock, wear a black dress, we're gonna go to dinner tonight, have some fun. And that's it. That's it. And then if you're a true man, the safety's there, the security is there, nothing else needs to be known. Like they're going to be so much in their feminine. It takes a real man to put a woman in her feminine. And, and by the way, that's where we want a woman to be anyways is because that's where they perform their best anyways. Like, we're not a man's not performing and executing from a position of power. Being a beta, you're not. And a woman's not giving her best, her love, her energy. She's not giving you all of those things. If she's having to also lead in the relationship, she can't.

[A]

So, yeah, that's so good, man. I don't see so good the truth right there. Phil, I appreciate you coming on, man, dropping so much game, so much value. I got to get out to Scottsdale next time so we can connect out in your studio. Phil, working listeners, get in touch if they want to learn more.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Yeah, man, that's good stuff.

[A]

I love it. So go check them out. Vitabella health.com he is Phil Vella. Rich Summers listeners, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you guys in the next one. Peace.