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Hey, guys. We are buying two more boutique hotels along the California coast here with Summers Capital. 45 rooms off Market in Catalina island and a second deal up in Bodega Bay, which will make a total of eight boutique hotels owned and operated. Our investors get passive income tax benefits. And the best part is, unlike investing on Wall street and a lot of these other asset classes, like multifamily, our investors get to go and stay and experience these boutique hotels firsthand to see how their money's working for them. And so if you want to learn to see if we can help you before this opportunity fills up, you can go to summerscapital.com invest to book a call with my team. Again@summerscapital.com invest to book a free call with my team. Now let's jump into the show.
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I saw my wife and two kids crying because I was dead. I just wish I would have fixed myself back at home. I had so much more to do back in my old life there. I wasn't ready to die. People were like, dude, you're, you're crushing it. Nobody knows what's going on inside. You know, that's where, like, that demon is being created. I was 100 miles an hour in the business. There's a lot of stress, a lot of anger. I had a really bad temper. I knew that this was not sustainable. Do you kill that monster? Kill yourself? And it's almost like this is my only hope. Probably about a 5 to 10 second window where I'm like, oh, I don't think I should have done this. The guy in front of me is like, you're back. I just like, oh, my God, I am alive. I got a new shot at life. I got another chance here.
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All right, guys, today I got someone who's doing big things. I got the CEO and founder of Henson Services Towing Trucking Mulch. And he does a little bit of this, a little bit of that. I got my man Patrick Henson in the building. What's up, Patrick?
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Not much. How's it going?
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Oh, man, I'm excited to have you. It's going so good. We got some amazing, beautiful weather out here in San Diego. And I am blessed to have you on the podcast today, man.
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I am, I'm grateful to be here. So thank you for having me. And yeah, the weather's beautiful.
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So I, I gotta ask you, man, the, the, the towing part of the
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business, I hear that's, you gotta, you
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gotta have some, some, some tough employees to some truckers to, to go pound and, and, and tow cars, right?
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It is. It is. Cha. It's a very challenging job. It's a very dangerous job, especially being on the interstate. Nobody's paying attention anymore. So what's the craziest thing you've seen on the interstate?
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Yeah, just. Just towing, impounding a car.
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I mean, you see people got to
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be pissed off, right?
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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's.
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Yeah.
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They come in, sometimes they're pretty upset, screaming at us, you know, because we towed their vehicle. Or sometimes they come in, they're just happy to. That we helped them out too. So it's a little bit of a high and low.
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I could see that.
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Yeah.
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Now, now when you, when you guys. How often, like what percentage of the businesses you guys towing people that are illegally parked?
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So it's a small, very small portion. And yeah, I mean, that's. It's a. It's something that has to get done because property owners, you know, they have their parking lots kind of assigned spots for their people that pay. And then you get other people that kind of come in and park in those spots. So there is a need for that. I don't like it too much because it does. Those people are going to be really pissed when they come in because we just literally took their vehicle, but they parked in the wrong spot. So we do do that, but it's not like our fun.
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It's not your bread and butter.
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Yeah.
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What is. What is the bread and butter for you guys?
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Well, I mean, I would say we, you know, the heavy towing, which is. Consists of towing semis, you know, tractor trailers when they break down. But it's kind of. They balance each other out with the light duty stuff too. You know, just towing cars. You know, we just. The company that we acquired, they've been in business for. Since the 60s, so they had a pretty good business. So they got a really good repeat customer base. So I. Combination of both. And then to keep that, you just have to have good service and good prices.
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Who are the guys that impound vehicles where maybe people are financed or leased vehicles, People start making the payments, the borrowers, and then someone has to go impound these vehicles.
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That's the repo company.
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That's the repo.
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And we don't do that.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I will not get into that business.
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That's a dangerous business. Yeah.
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Yep. I don't want to get in that business. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
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So if a group came to you and said, hey, you know, we. We need you guys to repo cars for us, but we're Going to give you a nice premium. Is there, is there a number or price tag that would make sense?
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Nope.
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Really?
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Nope. I just, I, I don't want any. I have no interest in it. I mean, it's definitely a need. I mean, there needs to be companies out there doing that. But you know, that takes a special driver to go out there and just repo vehicles. And, you know, it's. I'm, I'm. It's just not our wheelhouse, you know. So I'm kind of focused on getting our company running like a well oil machine.
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So, Patrick, give us an idea, man. What are you doing with the, the trucking and the mulch business?
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So the mulch we started in 2008, I didn't know anything about making mulch at all, but it was opportunity. So I took it and said, why not? Did that for a few years and then we had to buy a semi to haul our own material around. And a good friend of mine, Tom Kirk, he was running another company that I started with another friend with his brother, and he said, hey, I need some help trucking. I said, sure, I'll jump over and help on that. So we start off with like one truck over there, helping out once a week, maybe for a few days. That turned into about seven trucks.
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Damn.
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A week, you know, running over there full time. So again, you know, just opportunity. I'm. I always see opportunity.
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Yeah, I didn't notice about the mulch game, you're telling me before we started recording, because we put mulch down a lot of the hotels that we have.
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Yeah.
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Landscaping. I love the Birds of Paradise. There's another one that I really like. I think it's called dragon trees, but they look like these, these cool palms. But anyhow, we'll always do mulch. I didn't know until you told me that there's dyed mulch and then there's regular natural mulch. And the regular natural mulch will, will start to fade in color over time. But the dyed mulch does not. I didn't know that was the thing.
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Yeah. So, I mean, you know, there's a. Back in our area, bark is a big thing. It's a high end stuff, bark. It's beautiful when you, when you lay it down there, but it, the sun will fade that within probably a few weeks and then it starts to turn like a blonde color and it doesn't look as good. It doesn't pop anymore. It lost that, you know, that wow factor.
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So you guys make the most from scratch.
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Yeah. So tree companies will Bring their waste to us. So we, we collect all the tree waste at our facility, and then we have a, you know, big machine, like a grinder that all goes into this machine, gets ground up, and then we grind it a couple times, and then we'll wholesale that off to, like, these other big mulch companies. And they'll do their own tweak into it. Whether they're putting more dye or they're dying at their colors they want, or they're going to blend it with some bark. They'll do their own thing with it. But we also dye our own material as well. And then we'll sell that off on a wholesale base, Only we don't do direct to consumer.
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Interesting. Interesting.
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And.
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And does the. The mulch come from like. Like what. What does it look like when you're starting off? Is it coming off of, like, these bigger.
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So it'd be like tree debris, you know, so like if, like, we just had a tornado come through our area a few months ago. So all the down limbs. So just tree branches and logs and trunks, everything, just all that type of material, it gets dumped, like, in dump trucks at our facility. And then we have, you know, excavators, wheel loaders, pushing everything around. And then we just load into our grinder.
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And you package it after the grinder into these bags.
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So we don't bag anything?
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You don't bag it?
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No, we.
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What do you do with it?
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We haul everything off in semis in bulk. So we'll sell like, you know, 70 yards at a time to other mulch companies.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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Wow. And so then they bag it.
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They'll. Yes, they'll actually.
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And then they. They distribute it to retailers.
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Lowe's, menards, Home depot, gas stations. Like, it's big.
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How come. How come you guys don't distribute it?
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I. We're just looking for the turn and burn, you know, just. We have our systems and our operation, and then we wholesale it off to those people that. That's their wheelhouse. That's kind of what they specialize in. And I just have never.
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You've never explored picking up that arm of the business?
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I have not.
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Okay. Okay. And then what do you guys do in the trucking game?
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So the trucking again, started off hauling mulch. So we still haul our own mulch, but we haul trash out of transfer stations to landfills. So I don't know how it works here. But, you know, you got a garbage truck that comes, picks up your garbage. Right. More than likely, it probably goes to a metal building and gets dumped inside of a building and then gets reloaded from there and taken to a landfill. Especially if your landfills, you know, a ways away. So that's what our trucks do. They go to transfer stations and they go from there to landfills. So it's truck and trailer.
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Damn. Okay. And then do you do any other services with the trucking? Like people want to rent a truck or they want to, you know, one off things that need to be picked up. For example, you know, a lot of these people that flip homes, they're always doing these demos and they got to haul off all this stuff to the dump.
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So we occasionally do that. We'll work with like a demo contractor. We'll haul off their demo on site. But these are like big walking floor trailers. So it's. It's not for like a little small clean out. It's just for like a big job. We'll do that as well. So some contract work. And then we'll move equipment too. We have a lowboy, so if somebody needs some equals.
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What's a lowboy?
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It's just a semi trailer that's real low the ground and it detaches at the front. And then we can put dozers, wheel loaders, excavators, everything on it. And then we'll haul it from point A to point B for whoever needs it.
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And how low does it the to the ground does this thing get?
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It's inches. Really? Yeah, like probably four inches.
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And it's as big as a semi.
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It's a semi trailer. So a semi hooks up to it? Yep.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay, I see.
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So like if you got a. If you're doing a demo, tearing your house down, you got to haul the equipment in to do the demo.
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Got it.
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So this is kind of what we do. We'll haul the equipment for you.
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So you can put a shipping container on top of this thing?
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Yeah, we could. Yeah. Probably not the 40 footer, but the 20, the smaller ones. We could.
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We're going to be doing a big renovation out in Catalina island.
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We're buying.
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We're buying a boutique hotel out there. And you know, you talk about demo and get materials out there. Everything's by barge.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, it definitely adds a barrier to entry, if you would.
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Yep. But we like that.
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We like the barriers to entry. You know, a lot of real estate investors don't like the bears to entry. I personally like it because I feel like the, the more barriers to entry to the market that you're in, the more it protects your Investment, you know what I'm saying? And so, you know, if you think about, you know, a lot of real estate investors, they don't like to invest in California. Well, California, because the bureaucracy and the red tape and all these barriers to entry, I get it. But it keeps a lot of other investors out of here, and so you don't run the risk of oversupply.
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Yeah.
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You see in a lot of these other markets that are more business friendly, you know, like south Florida, very business friendly. Look at Austin, Texas, very business friendly. But now those markets are. Even Phoenix. Now all those markets are oversaturated because all the builders went there. And now you just have way too much new supply in all these different asset classes. And so now the market's saturated, demand stays the same. But now when supply goes up, prices go down. You know, here in California, you got the opposite. So everything's supply constraint. People still always gonna travel to the west coast for the beaches. Regardless of the political climate, the, the weather climate's still going to be good. And, and it protects your investment. So we, we like that. From, from a supply constraint standpoint. We like that.
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And if I was here setting up shop here, I would try to be one of the guys owning the barge because I would see that as like, well, that's a, A logistical problem to get your stuff across the water there. And so that's going to probably pay pretty good.
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Yeah. You know, and then I'm sure there's insurance companies that make money on insuring that stuff.
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Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And that's also too kind of that barrier to entry in the trucking world and extreme, especially in the towing world. Insurance is huge. It's so hard to get. Like, there's not a lot of companies that even want to insure you anymore. And so being in the trash world, that in itself kind of makes you unique because not too many people even want to get in the Trash World 1. Again, the insurance is so hard to get into, and then it's just hell on your equipment. It's like we got. We buy brand new trucks and they literally just go to a landfill and get destroyed. You know, nails are in the tires all the time. So a lot of people don't want to do that. They don't want to tear their trucks up, but it's like, well, somebody's got to do it. And so there's a higher, you know, margin there when you do that. So you can charge more. So we're charging more than what a local guy is going to be doing hauling, you know, like rock or concrete, so. But it is harder on your equipment.
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Yeah. What, what do one of those trucks cost to buy brand new? Well, they can't be cheap, right?
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I'd say our oldest one is like six years old. I think that was 150,000, I think when I first bought it. And then the next few were 175. Then Covid hit and then we couldn't even get trucks for like two years. And really, in the next set, what were they selling for during COVID 225,000.
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Damn. They couldn't even get one.
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I couldn't. It took us two years. I did get four, but I had to overpay. I literally paid 50,000 more per truck. And nothing changed. Damn, nothing changed. Just 50,000 more. Because everybody could.
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And, and what's the resale value of these trucks after five years?
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We're kind of working on that right now because we're trying to see. Because we got a couple more trucks that are coming up on their five year mark. They're probably worth in the 80, 90 grand.
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Is that maybe eight?
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I'll say 80 grand, yeah.
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Is that about the life span for some of these trucks to where they need some, some overhaul and some maintenance?
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Well, if you're asking me or you're asking our mechanic.
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I'm asking you.
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Yeah. So, I mean, I, I would love to keep these trucks for like another five more years. So there'll be a 10 year, you know, time span, but, you know.
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And what does the mechanic say?
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Well, I'm sure he'd want to replace our fleet right now, but. And really, I mean, and I do kind of side with them. I mean, after about five years, you know, we have kind of almost got a good life out of them and they're really not too much more life left in them.
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But is that because. Because I mean, with any business, you know, you can ask certain team members that don't really see the full picture. They're going to say, oh, yeah, let's just replace everything. You know, for example, a hotel business, it's like, okay, well, yeah, let's just replace all the roofs and all the H vacs and all that. But it's like, okay, well, if we do a full roof replacement, we're not adding value to the property. We're not increasing the rate that a guest is wanting us to, to spend. So it's like, okay, well, maybe we just replace the areas that need to be replaced.
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Yeah, right.
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But so with this, I mean, it sounds like the, the move is probably to squeeze more, more years out of these trucks. Right?
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That's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm just trying to get just a few more out of them before we kind of start doing that cycle where we are just going to start replacing them. And I, you know, if we get things on a schedule, then we can kind of like financially plan for it, you know, know, hey, this truck's gonna, we're gonna put it out of service and you know, it's got two more years left and we're done with it, you know, and we'll recoup a little bit out of it or keep it as a spare, but, you know, that's what we're kind of working through right now.
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Yeah, I like that, man.
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That's good. But I agree with you. It's like you can't just go replace them, you know, because you want to.
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I feel you. So you've, you've done a couple life changing experiences in the psychedelic space and used to be addicted to a few things. But what, what did you used to be addicted to before you got into psychedelics?
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Well, I mean, you know, alcohol, I think. I mean, you know, when you build businesses and when you're working in the business every day now, there's a difference between working in and working on. Right. You know that with your experience. I was 100 miles an hour in the business and I had to have all control. Everything, it was all me. I was in a semi. I was, you know, either running a piece of equipment, I was in it. Right. Every day I was running routes, whatever it took with all that, you know, there's a lot of stress and a lot of anger. I had a really bad temper. So, you know, almost daily I would go home and come home, make my mixed drink and that would kind of like take the edge off and that's just kind of how I survived.
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What was your cocktail of choice?
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I was a monster. Energy drinks and Grey Goose.
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Okay, okay.
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Every day on the rocks. Oh yeah. I had to have a cold. How to have ice cold for sure.
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I get it, man. You mean as, as the, the founder, you're, you're putting out fires left and right. You're dealing with problems left and right. You wake up every day and people are trying to take what you built as. It's, it's, there's a lot of ups and downs and there's a lot of sleepless nights that, you know, a lot of people don't talk about. Yeah, from the outside, when they, when outside looking in.
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Oh, man. People were like, dude, you're. You're crushing it, man.
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Must be nice, successful.
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Yeah, must be nice, you know, blah, blah. And it's like, nobody knows, like, what's going on inside, you know, that's where, like that demon is being created, you know, and it's like this monster and, you know, it's like the only way to feed is like, I gotta keep pouring alcohol down the throat, you know, And I just was on that. I was. I was living that life and I knew, like, and. And you know, when you live that way, you sometimes make bad decisions, you know, And I was making some very bad decisions. And I knew that I was. This was not sustainable, so something had to change. And, you know, it's like, well, what, what do you do? How do you kill that monster? Kill yourself? You know, it's like, well, if I do that, then, like, I won't embarrass the family anymore, you know, or I won't, you know, have any problems there. And, you know, maybe everybody be better off if I wasn't around, you know. You think a lot.
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Some pretty dark thoughts.
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Oh, yeah, I mean, it was definitely some. Some dark, you go down, you know, some.
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What was, what was the biggest issue you were dealing with, like, within the business you mentioned there's a lot of dark demons.
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Well, I mean, business wise, I mean, the company that we were hauling for, they were growing so fast, we just couldn't keep up with them. So we didn't. We couldn't even get enough trucks and drivers out there. So there was this constant pressure there, you know, like, hey, we got. We need more trucks. We need more drivers. Like, okay, I'm trying, I'm trying. It's just hard. You can't just. It's hard to get good truck drivers. And we were dealing with, you know, junk equipment because we weren't buying new. I was, you know, buying used equipment and, you know, so constantly breaking down. And so it was just one thing after another. Just all the time, it just. It just seemed like nothing was going right. But again, from the outside, looked like, you know, I was crushing it. But nobody knew what was going on on the inside. So, you know, again, you know, just pick up those bad habits and drinking and bad tempers and I just. I didn't know what to do, though. I didn't know how to fix myself. And that's why I would have some of these dark thoughts. I'm like, well, I don't know what to do. Here. And then I was watching. I. Sean Ryan. I don't know if you're familiar with him or not. No Ryan show.
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No.
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So I was watching. I started watching him a long time ago, before he even became big or famous. And he had, like, special operations guys on there, and they talk about their psychedelic journeys and how it fixed them with their PTSD and all that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm old school. Well, that stuff's going to melt your brain, you know? Like, I don't. I don't need to do any of that stuff, you know? Well, he sat down one time because Sean went down and did it, and he sat down with his wife and talked about it. And I happened to just catch that, and I'm like, holy. Like, it fixes that kind of stuff. Like, took away his temper, you know, Took away, like, any addiction that he had. And I'm like. Like, I want to go, you know? Like, it's almost like I needed to go. I had to go. So it was just some sort of intuitional thing. Like, I have to go. I've never done anything this crazy before in my entire life. But I feel like this is my only hope, is to go down there and do this.
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Damn.
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And so I did and completely transformed my whole entire life.
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So. So where did you go?
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It's down, like, south of Tijuana.
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Okay. And what's the name of the area? Do you remember?
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Rosarito.
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Rosarito.
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Okay. Yeah. And I could be pronouncing that wrong, right?
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On the beach.
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It was not on the beach, but we. Oh, but where their house is. So I went to Ambio, and they got a house that oversees the ocean. Up, like, I call, like, up in the mountain. But it's up. You can't get to the beach from the house at all.
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Okay. So you're down there in Rosarito. You're up on a hill. And is this, like, a private mansion?
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So. Yeah, it's in the neighborhood. It's actually a house in the neighborhood.
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Really?
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Yeah. It's kind of crazy.
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You just. You just pull up.
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So they pick you up in San Diego. The company Ambul, they'll. They'll.
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They'll pick you up at the Sheraton next.
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At the Sheraton next to the airport. That's.
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Let's go.
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Love it there.
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That hotel's for sale right now, by the way.
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You should buy it.
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Yeah.
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So they pick you up, drive you down there and take you to the house. You're there for five days. The first plant medicines On Tuesday night, it's ibogaine, the world's most powerful plant medicine. Let me back up. Before you even go, you have to go to your doctor. You have to get an EKG done, make sure your heart can handle this medicine, do some lab work, send that down to their doctors. They approve you, and then you go down there. And then when you. The first thing you do when you get down there is they're doing. The doctors are there checking you out again, making. Doing another EKG on you, and make sure your heart, you know, it's good. And the EKG you did back here was legit, you know, so they double, triple, quadruple check everything to make sure this is going to, you know, work for you. And, yeah, it's just. It's the most beautiful, loving place I've ever been to in my entire life. Man, when you walk through the doors, it's just. It's unbelievable the. The way you feel, the love coming in.
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So. So you get picked up here in San Diego. They drive you across the border. You go through the border and. And you pull up this residential neighborhood. Rosarito, and you just. You just open the door for you. What is. What does this property kind of look like? Explain it. What is the experience when you walk in?
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B
So when you. When you pull up out front of the house, all the staff is waiting outside down the stairs, and they kind of just are greeting you as you get out of the vehicle, and you come in, and then actually they have. They're all kind of right there by the foyer. So you come in. Everybody introduces themselves. So I. I think that the two times I went, I had a group of, like, there was five of us on each group, so four.
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A
These are four other strangers.
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B
Four other strangers never met.
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A
And they're all meeting up at the decision as well.
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B
Yep, yep, we all meet up there. And so we. Everybody introduces themselves and the staff introduces themselves.
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A
All business owners.
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B
No, no, this is. So I go to the vet house because I'm a first responder, because I'm also on the fire department back home. So I go to the vet house. So it's usually first responder or somebody in special operations, a SEAL or Marsat guy or, you know, I always call it, like, a badass, you know, so that's who I'm with, is somebody like that. And what I learned the very first time was because I remember, you know, like, when you first get there, you kind of sit down and have like, a group little conversation, and everybody kind of introduces themselves and kind of Some stuff that's bothering you. And I remember hearing, like, these guys stories, you know, like, these guys were over there in war, and they've seen some bad. Damn, you know, like, some really gnarly stuff that's really affected them. I'm like, holy. You know, I'm like, I make mulch and drive a truck, you know, like, yeah, man. I'm like. And so I actually said, I'm like, you know, I'm like, you know, now let me back up. I'm also in the fire department, so definitely seen some bad. You know, don't get me wrong. But I just felt like their stories were like, man, I got nothing on. You know, like, my story doesn't compare to that. Like, I. So I kind of openly said, I'm like, hey, I. I kind of feel bad because, like, I don't have that problem. I don't, you know, And I almost feel bad, like I was taking somebody else's spot that maybe should have been there instead of me. And this one guy in special operations, he stopped me. He's like, hey, man. He goes, I'll stop you right now. He goes, don't try to compare what's eating you to, like, what you're hearing here, because it's eaten all of us the same, because we're all here for a reason. And I was like, man, you're right. You're right. I'm like. So once he said that, I was. I. I just opened up, you know? I'm like, man, thank you. So, I mean, you're there with people that. They're just like you. They want to get help. They want to fix themselves, and so they just. They just welcome you. Everybody's just like brothers there. It's just. It's a beautiful feeling.
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A
Okay, so. So you get there. You get your assigned your own room. Is that right?
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B
Yep.
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A
And. And how. How long is this. This trip down there? Is it multiple days?
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B
Is it five days?
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A
Damn. Okay, so five days.
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B
Yeah. You arrive on a Monday, and you leave Friday morning.
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A
Okay. And so. And every day you're. You're participating with some hallucinogens.
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B
Nope, Only two days.
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A
Only two days?
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B
Yes.
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A
Really?
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B
So what days of the trip are those you take? The ibogaine is Tuesday night, and that lasts all through the night into Wednesday. It's a very long damn trip. It's not fun at all. It's not.
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A
It's not fun.
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B
Oh, no, it's not. It's not. You don't do this for recreation. This is not a fun experience at all. Oh, no.
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A
Okay, so. So hold on real quick, back up. So, so I want to fully make sure that the listeners are understanding and I want to understand this too. So you show up Monday, what time are you pulling up to the house? Ballpark? Is it afternoon or morning?
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B
Probably about noon. Maybe noon.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so it's not until Tuesday night that you guys take the psychedelics. So what are you guys doing for 30, 30 hours before you.
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B
So it's a great question. And Ambio runs just a well oiled machine. So from the moment you step foot in that door, there is something going on. There's. You do get a little bit of downtime, but just enough, not too much. So again, there's, there's kind of integration when you first get there, get to know each other. You go do a sweat lodge. And I, I'm going, I'm going to. I can't say the name because I'm going to screw the name up. But it's, there's a name for it and I think it's called like the Mexican sweat lodge. So a tabernacle or something like that.
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A
So, dude, I had no idea this is going on. Oh yeah, just 30 minutes south of the border.
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B
Yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy.
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A
Oscar, did you know this is going on down there? That's kind of crazy. Yeah, so it's like some stuff that's going to end up on like a Netflix documentary one day.
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B
It is called.
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A
It's on a Netflix documentary.
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B
In Waves and more. Really, it just. I'm going to watch it with my girl. Waves and More.
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A
In Waves and More.
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B
Oscar, you got to watch this. They follow a couple special operations guys and they go to Ambio down there where I went. In Waves and more in waves and War on Netflix.
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A
Damn. It just came out, just came out
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B
earlier this year, I think it came out. So yeah, you do this sweat lodge and I mean, that's day one and that's when like you really come out of your comfort zone.
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A
What is a sweat lodge?
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B
So it's like, looks like an igloo, like, you know, like an Eskimo igloo. And it's in this little beautiful lady's house. It's her property. It's outside, but it's, you know, enclosed. She has like walls up and it's like the size of an igloo and
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A
it's a lady's house on the property.
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B
So no, this is, this is you actually leave the house to go. Okay, to this other property. This only Time you leave is you go to the sweat line.
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A
Damn. Okay.
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B
And it's very spiritual. I mean, so this is not, you know, like, hey, you guys go in there and sweat your ass off for half hour. You know, it's like there's some conversation before you even enter into that, and
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A
you guys are opening up about what. What the demon is that's really eating you up.
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B
Yeah, well, no, not. I mean, so surface level. Yeah, so. Yeah, exactly. There's different things. They'll kind of act like there's a. A guide inside the sweat lodge, and she'll kind of guide you. And there's, you know, singing and, you know. Yeah, yeah. Some, you know, Moroccos and say everybody, you know, making some noise and stuff. So it's intense. It's very intense. This is before.
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A
This is even before the second.
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B
Yeah, this is before the psychedelics. But again, this is all part of the process.
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A
All part of the process.
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B
It's all part of the process.
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A
Monday.
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B
This is Monday.
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A
Damn.
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B
And then are you guys, like, getting
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A
in your bathing suits and underwear before you. Yeah.
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B
So I was gonna say. So my first time doing this, day one, when we go to the sweat lodge, I mean, I had no idea what to expect. So I go there, like, okay, put your swim trunks on. So I'm like, all right. You know, so literally all of us guys are staying around our swim trunks, you know, that's it. And it's some random lady's house down in Mexico. I'm like, holy damn. And so I look at the guy, I'm like, man, we're coming out of our comfort zone now. And he's like, yes, we are. You know, like. And so you just. You climb in there and I mean, you just start the sweat lodge process. And they just. They increase the heat, you know, because it's a fire. They got a fire in there. They're doing. So it's. It is intense. Like, round three, I almost tapped out, and thank God I didn't, because I was the only firefighter there. So, I mean, what kind of firefighter would tap out if it got too hot, right? So. But it was that hot. Like, it gets so hot in there. It's intense. It's so intense. But again, it's part of the process to kind of open you up a little bit and to kind of get. You just get the process started. And so then you go back to the hotel. I mean, not hotel, but to the house, take showers, dinner. And the dinner or food. I gotta just talk about that. The food is five Star food. They have like five star chefs in there feeding you food all the time. Like, the food is absolutely amazing.
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A
What kind of food are we talking?
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B
All, I'm gonna say all Mexican style food, but just fresh. It's just, it's just, they're just amazing. Like they just, it just.
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A
You just taste. And the lodging is very nice. Accommodations.
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B
Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, it's beautiful home. I mean I'm assuming it was just a nice big house at one point. Now it's kind of commercialized a little bit because of the flow of people.
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A
How many, how many rooms do they have? Ballpark, like how many, how many people could they accommodate for one second?
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B
So there's what I call the, the master bedroom. There's. It's one person in that and then there's probably three other bedrooms because they. Two other guys would be bunking up. So two rooms have your roommates and then there's one master that you're by yourself. There's another room in the basement that a guy basement. Yeah, there's like, like a little thing.
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A
I don't know if I'd rather have my own master or like have like a, A buddy.
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B
So I did a roommate the first time and the second time I, I had the, the master bedroom. Yeah.
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A
Which one did you like better, man?
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B
I like them both. I mean, you know, it's good to have a roommate. You kind of, you know, shoot the. With in between some stuff. The second time it was nice having a master because I just, just to myself, you know, I mean, I didn't have to. I don't know, I was by myself. It was kind of nice. You get your own shower when you get the master bedroom.
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A
Okay.
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B
That was kind of nice.
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A
And to females go to this tour, just only a guy thing.
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B
So the house that I know, yeah, females definitely do it too. They have several houses or several of these facilities, you know, throughout Mexico, I believe. The house that I go to, I've only been there with males. There's definitely female people there helping out. But as far as the medicine part, I've only been there with male. So I don't, I don't want to speak and say no, but I do know they do have like a co ed house where you know, damn.
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A
So Monday you do the sweat house and then do you do like a dinner afterwards?
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B
Yep. Well, yeah, yeah, I do the dinner that night. Tuesday you wake up, do breakfast. There's a breath work class. So everybody's going to do, you know, they're going to learn how to do breath work. And. Because you'll need that Tuesday night. And then Tuesday I think you have lunch and that's it. There's. Then you'll be fasting the rest of the day and then you'll get a nice massage Tuesday afternoon. And it's amazing. Again, they're prepping you for this journey that you're about to embark on. And again, more you get some one on one, what I call therapy or conversations with like, you know, like what I call the guide or, you know, the, the house person there.
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A
And at this point, are you still like, you don't, you don't have no idea what to expect? I was like, hey, this is going to be a journey.
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B
Yeah, this. So the first time I went down there, I'm like, I made a deal with myself. Like, no matter what happens down here, what the process is or whatever they need me to do, I'm all in. I'm going to, I'm going to go all in and, and open myself to whatever this whole process looks like. So I, I wasn't going to be like, oh, hey, I'm not doing the sweat lodge because, like, I don't really want to do that. You know, it's like I'm, I'm, I'm committed. So I didn't know what to expect, you know, Tuesday night for the medicine. And so we as, as after we get our massages, we kind of go back to our room and you know, there's a lot of like journaling. You kind of write yourself down. They encourage that. And then Tuesday night is when you take your first pill.
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A
Tuesday night.
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B
Yeah. And again, there's a ceremony, you know, before you take your pill. You know, I guess again, this is.
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A
So this is a capsule.
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B
Yeah, it's capsules. Yeah, they put in capsules.
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A
And, and where is this taking place? At the house.
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B
Like, you're just sitting in the house. So, like there'll be a fire out back. And so we're, we're kind of standing around the fire talking and you know, you can burn some stuff if you want.
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A
You know, what do you think? Oscar, would you, would you do this? Oscar says he's down. Okay. So. So, okay, it's Tuesday night.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You guys are sitting around and then ceremony.
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B
Yep.
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A
And what are they telling you before you take this pill?
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B
Well, I mean, just, you take the pill. I mean, use a ceremony. And it's. That's. They're talking like, okay, hey, you know, we've already wrote some stuff down that we want to Burn almost like maybe some stuff we want to get rid of, you know, so we can. We can write stuff down, we can burn it, or we can just kind of like shoot the. You know, because once they give you the pill, you got like, about an hour of just, like, shooting with your. With your buddies until it starts to kind of kick in. So they kind of leave you be for that hour with your, you know, with the other guys there.
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A
You're just kind of, like, waiting. You're like, hey, do I see anything?
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B
Well, and so like, after that, after they let us kind of hang out there, that was like the most, I guess, normalized time of the process because, yeah, it was just, you know, five guys are just kind of shooting around the campfire, you know, so it was kind of nice and relaxing. And then for me, they. After one hour, they come and give you your second pill. Oh, yeah. And so. And.
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A
And at that point, do you. Are you feeling the first one?
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B
The moment I got the second pill, I think I. I started to feel something. I'm like, man, you know, and the best way I can kind of explain that is I've done dope back in high school, you know, so, like, if you say you didn't smoke dope or whatever, then you, you know, took a big old hit and, you know, or did it edible and like, maybe an hour later, like, oh, I think something's happening. Yeah. So, like, I'm like, I think something's happening. You know, you just kind of feel your body's like, oh. So right.
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A
Right after you took the second one.
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B
Yeah, it was kind of like around that transition time, you know, it. And it didn't have anything to do with the second one. It was just. That first one was kind of like.
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A
Yeah, it was.
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B
I was starting to feel it.
- [36:59]
A
You're like, damn. Yeah, the second one hasn't kicked in.
- [37:02]
B
Yeah, I was like, oh. You know, so I go upstairs, and so there's a one room where all five people are going to be in. And so you go up there. That's where the medical staff's at. And you go up there and like, hey, I'm ready. You know, so it's. It's kicking in. So they'll start hooking the heart machine up to you, because you got to be on a heart machine the whole time while you're on this stuff. Really? Yeah, it's. It's that powerful.
- [37:23]
A
Are you serious?
- [37:24]
B
It's that powerful.
- [37:25]
A
And what, are they monitoring your heart? Damn.
- [37:29]
B
Yeah.
- [37:29]
A
So, like, if your heart gets a little bit Too high. Then what do they do?
- [37:32]
B
Well, like, that's why you do all these intake testing first, you know, but again, just for precautionary, they want to just monitor it, you know, so if you're there taking the medicine, you've already passed all their doctors pre Oscar.
- [37:45]
A
Imagine taking a substance to where you got to get hooked up to, like a heart monitor, and they monitor.
- [37:51]
B
I've never done ayahuasca, so I can't compare, but they say this is the world's most powerful plant medicine.
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A
This is more powerful than ayahuasca.
- [37:58]
B
Oh, yeah. This is the world. This is the world's most powerful plant medicine.
- [38:02]
A
Damn.
- [38:02]
B
So. So, yeah, you know, and when. Now, I think they're probably working on maybe giving me my third pill maybe, but. And so I'm kind of just sitting there Indian style. And they got, you know, there's five, like, little mattresses, and at the end of each mattress, there's a mirror and there's like a candle. And, you know, so, you know, I'm. I'm kind of looking at the mirror, you know, and. And other guys are kind of starting to come in, so I could see, you know, their reflections, you know, Like, I could see the medical staff, everybody getting hooked up, you know, so I'm just kind of sitting there, like, kind of up. I was like, but, you know, it's kind of a decent feeling, you know. Then, like, man, like, it. It turned on and I was like, oh. You know, like, it was like a. Probably about a. A 5 to 10 second window where I'm like, oh, I don't think I should have done this.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I want to go back home, you know, like, oh, man. You know, like that. But it's too late, you know, and there's no Narcan.
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A
You're just in it. You're in it.
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B
Yeah. They tell you. They tell you that there's. Yeah, there's no Narcan for this stuff. You're in it for the long run here, you know? So I was like, oh. And so when that happened, the mirror. I'm looking at the mirror still. I can't see anybody else now. All I can see is just my face. Just. Just this part, nothing else. And my face is just changing. Different. Different looks. Like, I got a beard, glasses, obviously. No hair, bunch of hair. Just a bunch of different crazy faces. So I'm like, okay. Weird, but cool. So that kind of went on for a little bit, and then I laid down and you put like, an eye mask on because your. Your Eyes are sensitive. So, like, you put a mask on over your. Your eyes and you just lay there and the medicine turns on and it turns off. So you just gotta just. It's just a. It's a roller coaster. It's a. It's a journey. You know, while. While I was. While I was on, you know, I was. You could ask it questions and the medicine would respond. Yep. Sometimes. Sometimes sarcastically or sometimes it would just, you know, it's really your head, right. That's who you're talking to. So I would ask it questions and I would sometimes get a response. And then, you know, for, like, I had some images that I wanted to get rid of. Because of, like, being on the fire department, you see some bad. Right. So for me, how I was able to do it, I was able to kind of like, look at the pictures. Like you're looking at your phone. Like, okay, swipe, I want to delete, delete. I'll keep that one put over here. Delete, delete, delete. You know, and so I kind of cleared up all my images that I wanted to get rid of. And that was a good feeling. You know, you're just kind of going through these different things, you know, because the medicine will turn on. And it's. Now it's time to do the work. We gotta. We gotta start tackling some problems. Here comes off. Then you just kind of. It's almost like intermission now when it's off. So you're just kind of laying there. I mean. And like, for me, like, it was like this, this, like this old footage that would go across with all these random people in it just. It would go like this and just disappear.
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A
Damn.
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B
Yeah, just random. I mean, just didn't know these people.
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A
And how long does this, this, this last?
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B
It could last 10 hours, 15 hours.
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A
Okay, so you take it at night time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
On Tuesday.
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B
Yep. You don't sleep.
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A
You don't sleep.
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B
You're up. Yeah. It won't let you sleep. Yeah, it won't let you sleep.
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A
And you don't feel tired at all.
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B
You're up. Yeah. I mean, you're just. You're mentally and physically worn out. You're exhausted because you do purge sometimes throughout the night. And that's when, like.
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A
What do you mean when you say purge?
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B
So I. That's what they kind of call it. It's kind of like throwing up, but you're not throwing up food. So it's like. I don't even know what's coming out of you, but, like, it's it's not fun. It's not a pleasant. Because, like, best way I can kind of describe it is, you know, you're kind of like laying there and all of a sudden it just. Imagine like getting kicked right in the stomach with. No, with. Without anybody even telling you that. So it just hits you like that and just. Just shocks you like, oh, my gosh. You know, and you just. You purge out your bad, you know, Again, not food.
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A
And that's part of, like, you're like. Like it's part of the whole process.
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B
Part of the process.
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A
You're getting rid of the demons.
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B
Yep. You're just. You're getting rid of all that bad.
- [42:24]
A
Damn.
- [42:25]
B
Again. Yeah. Again, it's not food, so it's not like that. It's just. It's just this bad. I guess there's the bad that's inside you. So it's not a pleasant feeling at all. So again, there is nothing fun about this experience. You know, as far as, you know, you're not like, oh, man, this is life's cool, you know, I'm down here tripping, man. You know, it's not like that at all, but, you know, very transformational. So, you know, you. When you wake. Not, wait, not when you wake up, but when you kind of like are starting to come down off that stuff, you know, again, medical staff's there the whole entire time monitoring you. And so Wednesday they call the grade day. That's kind of like. They get you the grave day. The gray, like, gray. The gray days just kind of like. I call it like, you know, like the.
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A
So you got. So you're. You're going all night now. Now the sun's coming up. Wednesday morning, no one slept yet.
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B
Nobody slept.
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A
And. And what are you feeling when the sun's coming up?
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B
Just exhausted. Mentally and physically. You feel like you just got your ass kicked physically. And you feel like your. Your mind kicked, you know, it just. You're just worn out, just absolutely exhausted. And so they get you unhooked from the machines and you. There's really nothing scheduled for that day. That's kind of like a day of just resting. So, like, first time I did, like, I went back to my room and, like, I was out, you know, I was. I was trying to sleep, you know, and I was still getting some, like, tracer rounds, you know, going through my head, you know, like, oh, that was kind of up, what I just saw, you know.
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A
What time. What time of day is this? Wednesday, when you're, like, finally ready to get some sleep.
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B
Probably around noon. One.
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A
Damn. So the whole morning you guys are still going?
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B
Yeah, the whole morning. I mean, most of the morning you're still in that room, you know.
- [44:11]
A
Whoa.
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B
Yeah, because they. They also put some IVs through, you know, so they'll bag you. They'll pump a couple of bags through you before you can go back to your room. Yeah, you. You got a IV port the whole time you're there. And so I remember the first grade day. And let me say, there is one thing scheduled for Wednesday. It's a Raiki. Have you ever heard of Raiki?
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A
No.
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B
So it's a. Just a type of. I. I don't. I don't know how to describe it, but, like, a lady comes in and this was. This is Wednesday afternoon. Ish. Late afternoon. So I was, you know, laying in bed and she came in and she kind of, like, almost does, like, a body massage without touching you. So it's crazy. And so she kind of covers my eyes and she's just kind of like. I know her hands are moving next to my body. I can kind of, you know, feel it and hear it. Then all of a sudden, I just start feeling it, like, inside my body. Whoa. And, like, she pulled something out of my heart. I could feel her, like, dragging it through my heart and, like, threw it away. It was insane. So that happens Wednesday, late afternoon, and then Thursday morning when you wake up, you're like. You feel fresh because you got a good night's rest. You feel like, hey, man, I can, you know, definitely be a better person. I feel pretty good, but, like, I'm still kind of missing something, you know? Like, there wasn't, you know, on Thursday morning. Yeah, Thursday morning. It wasn't like I woke up like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna be like, this super person now, you know, I was like. I'm like, okay. Like, man, I feel fresh and I feel, like, detoxed almost, you know, and let's go try this, you know? Well, Thursday is when you do the DMT.
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A
What's that?
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B
So it's 5 Meo DMT. And what's that? It's when you experience what it's like to die.
- [46:00]
A
What?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Are you serious?
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B
Yeah. Yep.
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A
Damn. Okay, so what. What does that mean? Break that down.
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B
So let me try to explain this here and let me. I'll try to tell you the whole process. You do this individually when you're there. The ibogaine. That was, you know, five guys in the room, you know, and medical staff you know, all that going on and you're like, like I told you earlier, you're aware that you're doing the ibogaine. You're aware that you're in this room. I'm aware, like, I. If I want to go to the bathroom, I'm going to raise my hand. I'm going to go to the bathroom. You know, so DMT is not that. DMT is when you actually leave your physical body behind.
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A
What?
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B
Yes, Your soul leaves your body.
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A
Damn.
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B
And you now no longer have that. The way to think that. Like, oh, I'll just, I'll be back, I'll be back in a little bit. You know, this is a. I'm just tripping or I'm just, you know, doing this, this thing down here that's gone. You died.
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A
Damn. Okay, so, yeah, we'll back up. So Thursday, they. They take you individually and, and was it another capsule? What is this?
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B
No, this is more. You inhale this. It's an inhalant.
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A
Oscar, you could really do this.
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B
Yeah, this is wild. It's an inhaler.
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A
I gotta watch this Netflix.
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B
Oh, yeah, it's pretty good.
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A
Okay, so. So you inhale.
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B
Yeah, and so. And I.
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A
And they tell you like, hey, like, good night.
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B
Oh, yeah. I mean, again, they are, they are just such beautiful people. This facility, like, everything is explained. There's no surprises. It's. Everything is just. This is what they do. So it's done, right? They explained like, hey, this is what's going to happen. And you know, blah, blah, blah.
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A
So, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna basically die.
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B
And I had like, my anxiety was like, through the roof, you know, I was like, oh my gosh. You know, and I was like, I hope this goes good. Because they're like, sometimes, you know, people are really quiet. Sometimes people make a lot of noise, you know, like, it's okay, you know, I'm like, my God, what is going to happen here? You know, so when it was my turn to go, I mean, I remember I did, I did outside and you know, I, I was. And they tell you, like, you're going to take this big hit and you're gonna let it out. Oh yeah, you're gonna take the big hit. You're gonna start from 10 and count your way back down to zero. We're gonna lay your head on the pillow. And when your head hits the pillow, you should be at zero and let out, let it go, you know? And so. And they're like, it's gonna be Instantaneous. You're gonna. It's gonna be blast off. I'm like, okay. So the first hit, I didn't do a very good hit. I kind of, like, so nervous. I didn't take a good hit. So I remember hitting a pillow. I'm like. Like, I didn't go anywhere, you know, like, okay, okay. You know, lean back up. Like, you gotta. So you gotta really take that.
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A
Hey, I need to do more. Yeah.
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B
I was like, I need to take a. You know, like, you just gotta take a bigger hit. You're just nervous, you know? I'm like, okay. You know, So I. I just took her to the moon on the second one, you know, I was like, let's do this. You know? And so I did. And, you know, when my head hit the pillow, it was like that. I mean, just immediately, everything changes. Like when we die, right? So all these particles just started to float out of my body. And again, you're not here anymore. This isn't you. This is just like an avatar. This is a suit costume. So all these particles come out of your body, thousands of them, and as they're coming up like this, they all just kind of form this bright ball. And that's. That was me. That was my soul. And so now my soul is traveling out of here, you know, out of this universe. And it's very harmonic. You kind of feel like the Earth's vibration. I mean, it's very beautiful. You know, in one sense, there's no pain. It's not like, you know, like, oh, my God, I'm dying. I'm. You know, none of that. It's.
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It's.
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B
It's very beautiful. But so once I got kind of past that and I'm traveling, I. That's when I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, you know, huh? I ain't going back. You know, like, this. This is for real. And I remember there was this quick blip or this image, or I saw my wife and two kids crying, you know, because I was dead. And I was like, man, I shouldn't have done this. You know, Like, I had so much more to do back, you know, in my old life there. So that was hard for me because I'm like, I wasn't ready to die. I thought I was right. I thought, man, this is. This is what I need. This is what needs to happen. And then, you know, once I saw that, I was like, no, I don't want to. Like, man, I just. I wish I could go back now, you know, it's all this regret was setting in. Like, I just. Man, I wish I would not have done this. I just wish I, you know, would have fixed myself back at home, you know, and. But it was too late again. Because it's too late. Because it feels so real. It is so real. You can't. You can't distinguish from this reality to this damn reality.
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A
So when you say you. You actually die, you detach your. Yourself from your life. That's what everyone feels when they take this.
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B
People have different experiences. So I just want to be clear. This was. My experiences can be similar, but they're also like some guys, you know, or. You know, I'm saying. I keep saying guys, but people in our group, like, one guy, he's like, man, he goes. It was like an orgasm times a billion. That's what. That's what his was. I'm like, why didn't get that one? You know? I was like, so everybody's gonna get what kind of like, maybe they're searching for, you know? And so this is what I needed to see. For me to help.
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A
You wanted it. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
You know, it.
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A
It shows you a different perspective of your life.
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B
Yeah, like, man, like your family back there. Yeah. Yeah, you left them. You shouldn't have done that, you know, So I. I just. I just remember kind of just like, man, I just like, I wish I can go back. I wish I can go back, you know, And I was just saying that like, you know, in this weird. You know, how I was at this moment, you know, as a soul. And I remember I just kept. I repeated myself over and over and over again. And all of a sudden, like, I'm just kind of coming to, and I'm standing up and I. You know, the guy in front of me is like, you're back. You are back. And I'm like, what? I'm like, what? And I look down, I can see my hand, like, oh, my God, I got hands. I'm like, I just like, oh, my God, I am alive. I got an. I got. I got a new shot at life. I got, you know, I got another chance here. And I just dropped to my knees and just start crying. I mean, I was just crying like, I've never cried before because, like, you know, you really thought you died, you know, and it's like now I just basically been brought back to life. And so that was the icing on the cake. That was the cherry on top. That was everything. I was like, holy shit. Like, yep, I'm going back. I'm going to be A better person.
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A
Damn, that's. That's a beautiful story.
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B
Oh, my God, it's amazing.
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A
And so you liked it so much you went back for round two?
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B
I did, I did.
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A
How many years later?
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B
I did. It was a couple years later, I think it was. And you know, and I want to be very clear, like, you know, the ibogaine, it goes in, it works with the brain. It goes in, it resets receptors in there.
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A
With the ibogaine, you will quit any addiction that you have.
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B
Yes.
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A
Alcohol, smoking cigarettes.
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B
So what it does, it resets your receptors. Like you're. You have an addictive receptor, I believe. You know, like, you wake up, you want your coffee, or you want your Coca Cola, you want your alcohol. It's gained a lot of traction with the opioid crisis. So people, I mean, again, it fixes you. Now, I want to say, though, to be clear, you have to want these changes as well. So it's like you take this pill and you're like, oh, my God, I could just, you know, not care and I don't have to worry about. I'm not addicted to anything anymore. I just walk down the street. No, it's like, you have to, like, not want to do these things. So if you have a family or friend that is hooked on drugs and you say, hey, I'm going to drop them off down there and they're going to go through the process, and when they come out, they're not going to be addicting. But that's not the case. If you want the change, this allows you a reset. So therefore you don't have that. You don't know what it's like to want that anymore. That's what it does. Like, when I came back, I, I, you know, I don't. I just didn't have that need or that craving or like that. Oh, man, I gotta have a Coca Cola or something like that because I drink Coca Cola every day. But I don't drink Coca Cola anymore. I don't drink monster energy drinks. I don't drink Red Bull. I don't drink any of that stuff, and I don't want it. You know, it's like, it's. I just don't want it. Now I can have alcohol if I want to. It's my choice. It's my decision.
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A
When's the last time you drank?
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B
I think it was me and my wife went to Nashville, just the two of us, and I had some drinks down there, and then I was with a couple buddies and I actually had a couple beers I normally don't drink beers, so I don't do it very often. More kind of like a special occasion. And it's great because I make the decision.
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A
Yeah, you're in control now.
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B
I'm. I'm a thousand percent in control now.
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A
So.
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B
Who, who, who.
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A
If someone's listening to this right now and they're a business owner or maybe they got some demons that they're. They're dealing with right now, who's the ideal candidate that should go down and. And try ibogaine?
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B
So here's what I want to kind of say to that. It's not for everybody. You know, it's. Some people can fix themselves here by themselves. Right? It's for anybody that is. Anybody that wants to fix themselves, anybody that wants to. And they don't know how. This is a great way of doing it. This also gives you. It's almost like a performance too. Like based. It just. It works for your brain. So now I am like that where before I may have been a little sluggish, a little lagging on things. It's like a real nice fine tune up on your. On your engine. Feel like my. I am firing now on all receptors. Very alert, very aware. And I make better decisions now business wise, that if a guy has a.
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A
A problem, just keep. Can't stop cheating on his. Honest on his spouse. Is that. Is this something that. That would be good for that individual?
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B
Yeah, absolutely.
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A
Wow. Yeah, that's good, man.
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B
Yeah, that. I mean, or somebody is kind of fighting that. That drug addiction, you know, or, you know, just. Or anything and, you know, we know how it is when you're in business. You know, you. You just. You turn to these vices and that's what helps you through the day. Will there be.
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A
Will there be a third one for you?
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B
Oh, yeah. I'll definitely go back. I'll definitely go back.
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A
Hit up, hit up Oscar when you go.
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B
He's ready to rock.
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A
He's ready to rock. Hit me up too. I might be down.
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B
It's all. It's also nice too, because you get to check out because they take your phones from you for several days. Yeah. You get them for like Monday, part of Tuesday, then they take them from. You get them back late Thursday, Friday, because they don't.
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A
It sounds like a hell of a mission. And you get back to San Diego. What day?
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B
Friday. Friday morning, they drop you back off. Damn. Y. Refresh. Recharge. Ready to rock and roll.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. We'll hit up Oscar next time you come and.
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B
Sure.
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A
I mean, you up for it, but you can just. You can just scoop them up on the way to the border.
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B
Yeah, right. I love it.
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A
I love it. Patrick, this has been amazing, man. So much games, so much value working. The folks get in touch with you if they want to learn more on
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B
my Instagram P. Henson369 or Facebook. Patrick Henson. Look me up.
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A
There it is. Go shoe him a follow on Instagram. He is Patrick Henson. Always looking fresh. I'm Rich Summers, listeners. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you guys on the next one. Peace.