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Infertility is an issue facing one in eight American families. This did not happen overnight. Today we are talking infertility, we are talking pcos, we're talking birth control, we're talking about how the President's administration betrayed Maha voters. We're doing all of that with Alex Clark. Alex is a Turning Point USA contributor. She is the host and creator of Culture apothecary, which is top 10 worldwide health and wellness podcast. And she's the founder of the cutservative brand. I'll be totally honest with you, it wasn't easy for me to initially buy in to the health and wellness space. My fitness has always mattered to me as an athlete. Even still, I take lifting and my time in the gym very seriously. But I think because I was a swimmer, I was really able to eat whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. And so it's only now after graduating, being retired from my sport, most importantly having a daughter where these things, what I'm ingesting, the chemicals that I'm using in my daily life now, those things are really, really important to me. I just love Alex. She is like a rocket. So enjoy this episode with Alex Clark here. Well, Alex, thank you for joining the Riley Gaines Show. A lot of people know you now as the Maha Queen, but I just recently got to hear kind of how you got here, which I found it to be super interesting. Can you give a little background on how you went from like pop culture to now? You're kind of dipped your foot into the political sphere even.
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Yeah, I never would have thought that this would be the trajectory of my life. So when I was 18 years old, I was graduating high school. I had plans to go to school for fashion, actually in journalism. I wanted to go to this liberal arts school in Chicago and at the last minute I decided to stay back, enroll in a community college and intern at a local radio station. There was a morning show that I loved listening to in Louisville, Kentucky. I grew up in Southern Indiana, so there was like a Bridge a 10 minute drive from Southern Indiana to Louisville. A lot of people would live in Indiana. Better taxes, and then drive into Kentucky. And so that was kind of my story. I applied to be an intern on this show. And I thought, well, it would just be so fun to take a semester off and do this before I go away to school. Because I had grown up listening to the show and just really loved them. It felt like they were my parents growing up every single day and getting ready and listening to them. So I auditioned, got the internship, and then within a month, the general manager of that radio station cluster called me into his office and said, I think that you need to rethink your career. I think that you are meant to do this. I've never. This is his words. He said, I've never seen so much raw talent at such a young age in any of our interns. And so he made a bet with me. He was like, audition, down the hall. There's an opening on our pop radio station if you get it, which was for like a sidekick on this other morning show. If they choose you, maybe delay going to school for fashion and pursue a career in radio. If they don't, then go ahead once the semester is up and go to Chicago for school. And so I had auditioned. There was like seven other people. They all had broadcasting experience in TV or radio. And I ended up getting chosen. And I think it was just because I was the age of the audience. And so the host really loved that on a pop radio station, you know, where you're talking about dating and all this kind of stuff, like, I was their listener. So I just really related to the people that they were trying to reach on the show. And I freaked out and cried because I was so scared. And I was like, well, I don't even know how to turn a mic on. And they were like, we're going to teach you everything you need to learn. So I ended up dropping out of school and pursuing a career in radio. And I loved it. It's the first real love of my life. I love the years that I was in radio so much. There's just nothing that compares to that broadcasting medium. It's so much fun. It's so intimate because people listen to you, but they don't see see you. And so there's just something special about that that only people really that work in radio can understand. But I was on a number one rated morning show. Then they put me in the afternoons as well. So I was doing two shifts. I was getting there at 6am and then I was on the air until 3pm it was crazy. And that show went number one as well. And then I ended up moving to Indianapolis to co host my own morning show with my name on it for several years. And while I was there, I had gotten hired two months before President Trump got elected his first term. And at time I had always been openly conservative, but it didn't really matter until President Trump became president. So all of a sudden, you know, you were enemy number one if you had voted for Donald Trump, whereas like, if you'd voted Republican before, sure, people may not like it, but it just wasn't this big of a deal. And so Trump becomes president and every single thing that I would say ended up getting me in trouble. So I had three years of, of, you know, being yanked off the air, being brought into closed door meetings, asking me, you know, why did you say that? You're not supposed to get political. Meanwhile, I had producers on who were talking about toxic masculinity and how Donald Trump is a racist. And nobody ever called them into the same meeting. So it was very one sided, always attacking me for being conservative. And there was a producer that was hired with the main goal of being told like, your job is to control Alex and mute her and stuff if she says things that she's not supposed to say about politics or religion. And they were asking me to host the local women's march. They wanted me to host trans girl events, be the, be the leader of the pride parade or whatever that's called, where you're like the front person walking. What is that called? General something? I can't think of that. The person in a parade. Anyway, so I was having a lot of trouble. And then this woman was listening. There was a mom listening in the car while I was on the air. And I guess she had her kids in the car. And I had casually mentioned very flippantly, I'm a member of the nra. And this mother called the fcc, the Federal Communications Commission, which is the government, by the way, and said, this woman should be yanked off the air. She is a danger to children. You should not allow her on your radio station because of what she said this morning. And so whenever a citizen complains to the fcc, usually there's a full investigation because somebody said the F bomb, for example, you know, on live radio or tv, you're not allowed to do those things, you get fined. And so the government then is required to look into it to see if a rule was actually broken and if they need to request money from your broadcasting affiliate. And there was Obviously, nothing. I'd said nothing. But I had to be alerted that there were lawyers looking into what I had said that day, which was just mentioning that I was an NRA member and what that mother had said. And so I kind of knew the writing was on the wall. This was right before Harvey Weinstein, right before the MeToo movement, right before we started saying things like, you know, so and so is canceled. And I saw that if I didn't leave on my own accord, I would, without a doubt, be fired at some point very soon for something that I said because of my beliefs. Like, I. I knew that I would be canceled, you know, before that became. Became a word. And so I started making plans to try to figure out how to get out of radio. And my first instinct, because my experience was entertainment and pop radio, was to host a conservative pop culture show. And I only knew radio. So I just thought, okay, conservative talk radio, I'm hosting this show. And I. And I had in my head this idea of Fox News and E. News having a bab. That was what I wanted this show to be. And I started kind of showing. I kind of started shopping this idea around with people that I knew in the conservative talk radio space. And everybody was like, you know, you're cute, basically, pat on the head. But this isn't going to work. Nobody is going to listen to this on conservative talk radio because the audience is primarily older men, and so they're not interested in pop culture or entertainment news. And I just thought, man, you're wrong. I know there's an audience for this. I have to find the right place that would house it. But I know there's an audience because at that time, I'm in my mid-20s, my friends and I are all wanting to hear about, like, okay, what's a conservative response to Miley Cyrus licking an abortionist health care cake? Right? And there was nobody. There were people like Ben Shapiro that were kind of making fun of pop culture. So they'd just be like, we don't need, you know, don't even pay attention to this kind of stuff. But I wanted to hear from people who were like me, where I'm a fan of her, but I disagree with her political views. And so what would the take be then? I just thought that that would be a smarter show to listen to in regards to pop culture in the conservative space. And it didn't exist. There was no conservative pop cult show at that time. And I had gone to a Turning Point event just for fun in June of 2018, kind of looking for like minded friends and things like that. I had been invited by somebody. And so for that next year into 2019, you know, I had been thinking of this idea of taking my show somewhere and totally was a God thing because I was thinking I needed to quit and I didn't know what I was going to do. But it was getting so bad for me and getting in trouble all the time for my views that I was like, I think I'm just going to have to quit even without another job lined up and that. That's when Turning Point DM me on Instagram. And they were just like, hey, we love what you do. We love that you're young in media, you're outspokenly conservative. If you ever want to work together, let me know. Now. I know now that they were thinking of me in a influencer capacity. They were just starting their influencer program. I didn't know what an influencer was. I had been a public figure in, in broadcasting since I was 18 years old. So that's all I know is broadcasting. If someone says we want to talk about how to work together, I'm assuming they want to do a show with me. So I get on the phone with, with Turning Point and I explaining like, hey, I've got this show idea and all this. And they're like, wait, what? They had never thought about doing shows because Turning Point USA isn't a media company. And I had pitched this whole idea for this pop culture show is like five minutes a day. Let's put it on social media, Snapchat or YouTube or something. We'll figure it out. And they loved it. Charlie loved it. He was like, yeah, we should totally try to reach the young women. This seems really cool. Nobody else is doing it. So they hired me and moved me from Indiana to, to Arizona. And that was in of 2019. I've been here ever since I had left or I had been hired a month after Brandon Tatum and Kyle Kashuv and Candace Owens and them had left Turning Point USA or been fired or whatever, depending on the person. Anna Paulina Luna. So. But there was a huge exodus of all of those people that, you know, we know in the conservative movement. And then I was the next person hired. And so, yeah, it's been crazy because when I first got hired, it was one building with like 40 employees, you know, roughly 40, 60 employees. And we could all fit in one space. And now, you know, we've got multiple buildings, hundreds of employees. I don't even know everybody's name at this point. There's so many people. And it's just been really cool to kind of be here with Charlie watching the growth of Turning Point. And during the pandemic, you know, obviously, I don't do the pop culture show anymore, because during the pandemic, when they mandated the vaccine, I was super disturbed by that. Had never looked into pharma or our food or anything ever before. I'd never questioned any of that. And I assumed if food was being sold in grocery stores, it must be safe, right? Like, there's got to be crazy regulations. Come to find out, there's, like, 8,000 chemicals that are allowed in American food that aren't allowed in food in other countries. So I start learning all of this and learning that, you know, the FDA had definitely been wrong about drugs before. Oxycontin is a prime example. So how do we know that they're not wrong about the advice they're sharing about the vaccines? It started me on a massive Rabb rabbit hole. Health and wellness became my new obsession. I just could not stop reading and learning everything that I possibly could. And I had a second show at that time, a podcast, and we ended up flipping the format of that podcast to be. Exactly. Specifically a health and wellness show in September of 2024. So as the MAHA movement is. Is being birthed, my show comes out Culture Apothecary, which is a conservative health and wellness interview podcast. And it just. It blows up and is a huge success just because it was the right place at the right time, I guess. But, yeah, that's the whole story.
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Oh, my gosh. Well, yeah, now it's like a top 10 worldwide health and wellness podcast, no?
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Yeah, yeah, it's been phenomenal, and Charlie was super proud. And I'll never forget, In October of 2024, you know, the show had been out about a month, and we're looking at the numbers, and Charlie. We're sending them to Charlie. We're like, oh, my gosh, the show is massive. This is a juggernaut of a show. And Charlie's like, well, you need to run these numbers again. There's no way this is correct. And we were like, we've ran them seven times. This is correct. And he was like, well, geez, you're, like, right behind me. And I was like, I know this is the right move. So he was so proud and really believed in Maha. Charlie. The last time that he had me on his show was about two weeks before his murder in August. And he had me come on to talk about pesticide liability shields, these bills that were gonna be starting to be introduced in multiple states across the country where people in certain states would not be able sue chemical companies if they got sick. Kind of like what we did with vaccines in the 80s. And so that was the last thing that Charlie had me on a show for to talk about. He really thought this stuff was important. He thought that talking about how the Republican Party was captured by Big Chemical in Big Ag was important. And so I just feel like, you know, since his death, I've spent a lot of time focusing on that issue. I just feel like, because that was the last conversation that I had with him publicly, you know, that it's like my duty to finish this mission and see this through. And so it's been kind of my number one thing now for the last several months.
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Yeah, you know, people started listening to me with Politics. That was that pop culture show, Turning Point USA, that was 2019. I was in my mid-20s. A lot of them were also in their mid-20s. And so now it's been seven years. They are having kids, they're getting married, they're starting families. So they're starting to look into their health and their children's health and, you know, wanting to do what's best for their family on that front. And usually it is moms that are making little micro decisions every single day. You know, we don't only vote when it comes to our health. In an election year, we vote three times a day with what we put on our plates. And so I think a lot of moms started realizing, especially as their kids entered school age, why is my kid developing all these allergies? You know, why does my kid have all these behavioral issues? Does it have something to do with what they're eating? And they wanted answers. And I don't have kids yet, but my audience does. And so I really felt like it was my duty to, and I owed it to them with their support of me, to make it a public mission to get those answers. Plus for when I do, God willing, have kids of my own one day, hopefully sooner rather than later, is, you know, I want to have a better state of health in this country for them. Than I had growing up, which you and I. Well, no, you're Gen. Are you Gen Z? I'm Gen Z. Oh my gosh. Okay, so I'm a millennial. So I mean we, you guys have had a bad, I would say worse than my generation when it comes to pharmaceutical intervention at a very young age. I feel like your gener, everybody has been put on antidepressants. My generation, we were given a faulty food pyramid. So just the building blocks of health, like what do we eat? How do we know what is healthy? That was completely skewed and bought by industry. So the direction we were given was totally wrong. GMOs were introduced to the food system for us. The vaccine schedule exploded with us. We were all put on birth control by default. I think your generation was too, around 14, 15 years old for pretty much no reason, and then kept that for 10 years, developing autoimmune diseases, having trouble getting pregnant because while you're on the pill, it's suppressing symptoms of your body, kind of letting you know hormonally things are, things are not right so you can get them fixed. So by the time you get off the pill and you want to have a family, you can't. And then you are sold IVF. Hey, $20,000 here, $40,000 here. We got to do multiple rounds to try to get you pregnant. Meanwhile, nobody is getting to root cause. Lifestyle, sunlight, light, sleep, food, health. Health is so cheap. It really is cheaper than you think. You don't have to spend all this money on all these crazy gadgets and habits and memberships. You can if you want. I mean, there's certainly things like that that I have at home because, because I just want to. But it's not absolutely necessary to be healthy. Right. You don't need to own a red light device to get, get red light, infrared light. You can just wake up with the sunrise and go for a 10 minute walk, 20 minute walk outside with your dog or your baby as the sun is coming up, or take a sunset walk after dinner and you will get those same infrared rays for free. So there's a lot of things that I think overwhelms people about the health and wellness space, but just know that none of that is required. It really is sunlight, sleep, community with family and friends, being in nature, having fresh, clean air and real food.
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Yeah. And you mentioned even little micro changes can make a really big difference. And so I agree with you. I think the wellness space, it sometimes can come off overwhelming because people, especially young women, really, they feel like, they have to buy in completely to fully immerse themselves into wellness and health and everything that it means to embody those things. But you're right, it doesn't have to be that way to make a big change in your life. And you spoke to infertility. And this is something that I know my audience, which also tends to be younger women. This is something they care very deeply about. I think it's like what, one in eight families in today's world, maybe that's just America that are facing infertility. And I know my grandparents generation, they didn't seem to struggle with this, at least not anywhere near the same rate. Women, specifically, they're facing fertility problems that were seemingly rare just a generation ago. And so my thought is this didn't happen overnight. And so can you give us a little more insight? You have fantastic guests on your show Culture Apothecary. Can you give us some insight maybe that you've learned from your guests as to why the infertility rate and the birth rate is so low? Infertility rate high, birth rate low.
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When you have something like infertility kind of exploding with, with a younger gener, you have to look at the environment and lifestyle changes. It's obviously not genetic, right? Because this hasn't been happening throughout multiple generations at such a systemic level. It's not normal that infertility rates are rising 1% every year. It's common. That doesn't mean it's normal. And so that tells us there is a grave danger. Right? There is something dramatically, drastically wrong with something that we are doing in the western world, and that is limiting our ability to be able to conceive and have children. The infertility crisis can be chalked up to many different environmental things and decisions, some that we make and some that are out of our control to some extent. One that would be kind of out of our control would be the amount of pesticides that are being sprayed on anything and everything all around America. Yes, we are. We have chemicals like glyphosate being sprayed on our crops that is definitely contributing to infertility. But also, we are spraying Roundup on our sidewalks in our neighborhoods. We are getting lawn services that come once a month or every couple months to spray our yards. And you think, well, I only spray the front yard. We don't spray the backyard. Listen, there is runoff. There is. There is wind, right, that's blowing these chemicals. So if you are somebody who is spraying your front yard because you don't want dandelions, it's in your kids only play in the backyard. You, you are being fooled. Okay? This stuff is getting all over your yard and our skin is absorbing these chemicals. It is infiltrating your children and your pet's bloodstreams, including your own. If you're somebody that is having trouble getting pregnant, we're spraying roundup around our parks, at our schools that our kids play at, our parks, in our communities that our kids play at. So this is it. This is a massive factor. The other thing that we're doing is we are using body care products which again, our skin absorbs that has endocrine disruptors in it. So this could be something like literal perfume or fragrance, but also body wash, deodorant, makeup lotion that has the word fragrance or perfume. There's also a slew of other chemicals, but definitely anything that is fragrance is, is impacting your endocrine system and your hormones and yes, your ability to get pregnant. It's also leading to this massive amount of young girls, some as young as seven or eight, that are now starting puberty because they are being loaded with plastic and estrogen in their bodies because of what's in their home environment with cleaning products that their parents are using, the body wash that their mom is buying them, or eating fast food out of hot plastic, warming up leftovers in hot plastic containers, drinking out of plastic water bottles. So I would say a couple of things if you are experiencing, experiencing or struggling with getting pregnant. One, you have got to look at the toxic load in your life. Are you eating ultra processed food? Are your kids eating ultra processed food? You say, well, you know, we just go a couple times a week before soccer practice, we go to Chick Fil A. It's all adding up. By the way, Chick Fil A has now gotten rid of their non antibiotic chicken or whatever. Their, their chicken is filled with antibiotics. That is a massive problem for human health. You also have, you know, ingredients like Silly Putty. Basically the same ingredient Silly Putty is in Chick Fil A chicken. This is not food. This is not food. And I know that we love them because they run a very tight ship and it's good customer service or whatever, but that does not negate what you are subtracting from your health and your children's health. Eating there multiple times a week. It is really, it's. By the way, it's cheaper. Home cooked meals at home. Home cooked meals at home is cheaper and it's healthier by a landslide. So you've got all of these factors that are contributing Infertility as well as birth control. And let me explain this, because what happens is when I say this, the liberal mainstream media fact checkers come for me and they say this is not factually true. There's no evidence that birth control causes infertility. Birth control itself doesn't directly cause infertility. It is indirectly causing infertility. Because when you are on the pill, like I was saying, it acts as a band aid so you don't feel symptoms. So a lot of young girls might have, in their teen years or early twenties, oh, endometriosis, PCOS symptoms. And so their ob GYN tells them, why don't we just put you on birth control? Or their general practitioner. This will help the symptoms. You won't hurt as much. Your. Your periods won't be as heavy or they'll be more regular. Here's the thing, a heavy period, a light period, a period that skips severe painful cramps at the start of your period. It's massive mood swings in your luteal phase. These are all sign signs that something isn't right. And so, sure, taking hormonal birth control can suppress those symptoms, so you have a more pleasant experience, but you're not having a true period on the pill. You're having a withdrawal bleed. Your body is unable to communicate with you to tell you that something is wrong. So it's really a good thing when you are having extremely light or heavy periods, for example, because you can then go to your doctor and say something is wrong hormonally. I want to get to the root cause. Why am I having heavy periods? You know, do I have PCOS or endometriosis or one of these other issues that a lot of women are being diagnosed with. You want to fix that as early as possible. You do not want to wait and let that fester and brew and get worse inside of you so that by the time you are, you know, probably likely wanting to have a family at some point one day, you're able to, and you won't have to spend, you know, the next year or two dealing with stage four endometriosis and having surgery and all of this, it's avoidable. Our body as women, our menstrual cycle is so cool. It's like a superpower. It is this tool that tells us, you know, what's going on with this inside that men do not have. And so again, speaking to men and women are different, but you're also not ovulating on the birth control pill. So imagine how that affects how you Select a mate or somebody to marry. We know that science shows that women are attractive to more feminine faces or faces that are more genetically similar to your cousin. When you're on the birth control pill, you're not into masculine men. I know, it's so weird. You're not into masculine men on the pill. You're into these literal soy boys, right? You're into feminine looking men. And so I think there's a lot. You can kind of use your critical thinking, but I think that contributes to a lot of strange things. I, I think that that really affects the type of person that a woman is attracted. A lot of women are getting married, getting off the pill after they've been on it for so long and being like, oh my gosh, who am I married to? I'm not attracted to my husband. And then they have to work through that. That's definitely happened to members of my audience as well. So, you know, and then once you're struggling with being able to have a baby, that's when women are sold ivf, which there's so many things I could, I could talk to you just about ivf, but I know we don't have that much time, but basically ivf. IVF does not solve infertility. IVF is not the solution to the infertility crisis. IVF is a blessing because you, you know, sometimes, right, you have a child, which is incredible and that's a gift. And it doesn't matter how a child is conceived, right? If you're pro life, you believe that child is, is precious and a gift from God and you're so, so, so thankful that you have them. So I'm not saying that a baby born via IVF is less than, but what I am saying is that I, IVF is not helping women find out why they can't get pregnant in the first place. It, it has a very, it does not have a super high success rate. You have a higher miscarriage rate on ivf. Those babies born via IVF definitely are susceptible to more illnesses and being sick more often later in life. And I've interviewed, I've done several interviews on this with different doctors. But one thing is there is an alternative when you are struggling with infertility and nobody can figure out why. There is an alternative to IVF called NAProtechnology. And those doctors, which a lot of them are Catholic because Catholics primarily, you know, disagree with big fertility methods like IVF from a moral standpoint. And so what napro doctors are doing is they are getting in, they do a Mini exploratory surgery. They can find out if you have blocked tubes which they can can unblock. They can find out if your C section scar from a first pregnancy is causing secondary infertility because it's not healing correctly in there. They can find out if you've got fibroids or if you have endometriosis that is silent with no symptoms you had no idea was there. These are things that an IVF clinic is not looking for. Right? They just want your money and they're not doing any of these tests. And so what ends up happening is Napro is actually more successful than ivf. I, I, I don't remember the exact rates, but it's significantly higher. I interviewed Dr. Gavin Put Off. He's based in St. Louis, Missouri. He's an amazing clinic called Veritas Fertility there. Multiple of my friends now have gone to see him who have struggled with infertility, and he is doing some amazing things and I interviewed him last October. So you can go and listen if you're interested in this and struggling with infertility. But he will go in and he is finding out why these women aren't getting pregnant. And it comes costs so much less than IVF does. And so, you know, what the big fertility industry wants to tell women is one, you should wait as long as possible to have a family, because you will always be able to have a family on your timeline, one that's a lie from the pits of hell. That is not guaranteed. IVF is not guaranteed to work. And so you've got these women that are delaying having a family thinking that genuinely they can just get pregnant whenever they want. It's very easy with modern technology, technology without really knowing the statistics or the costs. And then also, you know, they obviously want you to keep doing multiple rounds. You're spending tens of thousands of dollars and they're just saying, oh, well, that round just didn't work up. That round just didn't work instead of actually finding out why it's not working. So, you know, there is alternatives. And that's why, you know, there's 98% of things that President Trump has done in this term have been extraordinary. And I, and I love him so much. But one thing that I disagree with the president on is subsidizing IVF because it's a band aid. It's not figuring out why all these women are struggling with infertility. And so what I wish we could have done was pour money into helping women with Napro doctors instead.
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You know, I bet there's so many women who are struggling with infertility who have never even heard of this. But you're right, the fertility industry, they don't want to say because at the end of the day, that's a business, a profitable one at that. So this is so good to hear. You mentioned some of the misalignments with President Trump and his administration. He just recently signed an executive order, and I know you were speaking to how you really feel, like, morally obligated to continue pushing forward in this on this front, but he signed an executive order invoking the Defense Production act to scale up up domestic glyphosate production, citing, you know, national security things, but also providing, I think, cover and liability or limited liability to these companies that are producing this. So can you speak to how this was a betrayal to Maha, to voters like you even?
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Yeah, I think, you know, this is definitely something that ruffled feathers with MAHA moms. And I'm. That's really an understatement. They're very angry. You know, Bobby Kennedy went on Joe Rogan and said the same. He said, look, I was not upset, to put it my. Or Bobby Kennedy went on Joe Rogan and said, I was very upset, to put it mildly, with this executive order. You know, all of us that are in the MAHA space, we understand how serious the pesticide issue is. We are just like with food, there's a lot of chemicals that we spray in the United States, states that are banned in other countries. And what's even weirder is that there are a lot of countries making chemicals for us to use in the United States that are banned in their own countries. So that's really biochemical warfare, if you ask me. You're allowing China to manufacture chemicals that they won't even use on the Chinese, but they're sending it to America, which is making us infertile, it's making us super sick, and it's giving us cancer. So how is this not. This should be a national security issue, not that we need to ramp up the use of glyphosate or protect the use of glyphosate. You know, the problem is pesticide usage is a top three issue for MAHA moms. This matters a lot to them. And they really want to see us phasing out some of these chemicals, like glyphosate. Dicamba is a chemical, for example, that has been banned. And in the last couple of weeks, the EPA just renewed it and brought it back. It was already out, and then the EPA just brought it back another chemical that we know causes Parkinson's and cancer. Why are we doing that? Why are we opening the floodgate for more chemicals with a supposed MAHA EPA instead of helping phase them out? These are questions that MAHA voters have as we head into the midterms. And so look, I have been the biggest fan of this administration, sharing every single MAHA win, which, by the way, 99% of what we have done has been phenomenal. We have accomplished so much on the health space that no other presidential administration in history has been able to do. And this has only been one year of it. So there's a lot to be excited about and celebrate. But also part of elections and part of voting in America is that you fight and you work really hard to get certain people elected and then they work for you, right? And they make promises to you as voters. And, you know, in the summer of 2024, President Trump mentioned that we were going to be looking into pesticide usage. And so a lot of these moms are kind of holding him to that and wondering, you know, does this administration stand with Bayer or does this administration stand with American moms and children who are. You know, these pesticides are just wreaking havoc on our guts and on our fertility. You know, we have chemicals that are allowed in our water supply, like atrazine. Of course, you probably remember the really famous quote from Alex Jones. They're turning the frogs gay. Okay? He's not wrong. So atrazine, which is allowed in our drinking water in the United States still, for I don't know what reason, is feminizing little boys. It feminized. They did a study and it feminized the male frogs. It is, is causing baby boys to be born with genital deformities, micro penises. It is causing little girls that are being born to have fertility issues that then they're going to have to have for the rest of their life. It's just, it's, it's a, it's a glaring opportunity, I should say, with our current epa, to really do something historic and go full blown MAHA on a lot of these chemicals. You know, we can do all of this stuff to the food and everything, but if our soil is still completely thrashed from these chemicals, you know, know, how much can we really do? There is a huge Supreme Court case with Monsanto. It's called Monsanto versus Durnell. The Supreme Court is hearing a Monsanto case in April. And so on April 27, we are hosting the biggest MAHA rally yet on the supreme court steps at 9am if you can bring your entire family and make say, hey, this weekend we're going to make a DC trip and we're going to go out there and we're going to protest with Alex Clark and the food babe and a bunch of other people in the MAHA space. We're going to make this like, if you remember the Kellogg's protest we did about food dies and we went to Kellogg's headquarters in Michigan. We are going to make this massive even more so. And really the point of it is this is a statement to the United States government that families do not stand for protecting chemical companies over people. It's a really historic moment. So if you can April 27th at 90 and be at the Supreme Court
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A
with us, I'm there. I'll be there with you. Bring the baby. She's coming, Margo, back to the Supreme Court. She's been there once, she's going again. I guess my question for you, Alex, and I know, you know, you're not necessarily behind those closed doors when these meetings are happening, but why? I mean, my mind as someone who has, has, you know, kind of been immersed into this space and the inner workings of politics in general, is that money drives a lot of decisions. Is that what this is, you think?
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B
Yes. Bayer donated, I believe, a million dollars to Trump's inaugural fund. I'm pretty sure on that. There's also multiple chemical former chemical lobbyists that are currently working in the epa. You know, we've talked a lot about the revolving door of corruption and having people from industry then working in the F, the FDA or the NIH and the HHS making decisions on our health and how wrong that is. Because they have ties to these companies that are making us sick. Right. People don't like it with food and pharma. Why is nobody speaking up about what's happening currently at the epa? You know, obviously I believe there are people there that want what's best for us. But I think there's a lot of people that are making backdoor deals putting Americans health at risk in doing so. And I want to see that weeded out just like we have done in all of our other federal agencies so far. So I think that there is a maha opportunity at the epa. And you know, I have integrity to my audience. Me speaking out about this has cost me invites to things. I have been banned from things. There's been a lot of drama behind the scenes, but I know that if I don't talk about this one, I'm not going to be able to sleep at night. And call attention to, attention to this. And my audience would call me out. My audience would be the first to say, alex, what the heck? Why aren't you saying anything about this executive order? Right. Like I have, I have to tell the truth. And so sometimes telling the truth is not always what is politically expedient and it's not always comfortable. But that is the number one thing over anything that matters to me. I know that was the number one thing over anything that mattered to Charlie. And so I'm trying my best to kind of juggle both of these things. You know, being in the health space, also being a conservative who loves the president, who loves this administration, but also saying, hey, there's no perfect administration. There's always room to be better. There's always room for opportunity. You know, how can we work together? I've got my, my boots on the ground, my, my ear to the wall, talking to these women every day. I know what matters to them. I'm, I read personally, I don't have someone else do it. I read all of my DMs and answer my, my DMs. So I know what is resonating, what isn't, what makes them upset, what makes them happy, what is worth celebrating to them. And this issue is like, I mean, some of them are saying things like, I don't know if I can vote. Now obviously I disagree with that because like I said, almost everything else has been such a net positive, you would be a fool to not vote red in the midterms. So do not let, even if, even if this is something that never gets, gets fixed, which hopefully it will, hopefully in our lifetime, we will be the ones to do it. When we're marching on the Supreme Court steps, we are going to draw attention to this and show that American voters are done protecting companies like Bayer and Big Ag and Big Chemical. But even if it doesn't move the needle because it hasn't been, you know, we've not been able to do that with any administration. This isn't a Trump issue, this is just an American issue. There's still so much good that has come out of this administration that you know, for your kids future, you would be a fool to not vote red.
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Yeah. And the, the thing about you and your platform is that you're principled. Like, like, I think it's as really as simple as that, which being principled is, is very clearly a foreign concept. Not even just to some, but I, I would say to most people, especially in the whole political sphere. You mentioned, Charlie, we've talked about Turning Points Point. Can you kind of give us, like, a vibe check on Turning Point? You're at headquarters. You're in Phoenix. How are things feeling? What's the mood around the office? Of course, I can't. I mean, you can't open Twitter or X specifically, at least for me, and not see constant discourse about Turning Point, about Charlie, about Erica, his beautiful bride, the new CEO, all of these different conspiracies. How are our people at headquarters doing? Looking into the future.
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B
Yeah, I had tweeted this, like, yesterday or something. But I had said, you know, after Charlie's murder, it became so obvious to me that he was really, like, one of the only adults in the room when it comes to the conservative movement. It truly. And what's ironic about that is that he's. He was the youngest. Right? Charlie was one of the youngest adults in the room, but yet he was the only adult in the room. Name. It's just sad that we're having these podcast wars. It does such a disservice to American voters, you know, going back and forth, calling each other names, conspiracy theories, and also, you know, convincing an audience that it's not in their best interest to vote at all. I mean, are you kidding me, Charlie?
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A
Vote the other way. We've seen a lot of that online.
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B
Yeah. You're seeing either don't vote or vote for Democrats. I'm sorry, in what. What planet are you on? These people do not have your best interest at heart. They do not have your children's futures at heart. This is so consequential in every way. It's maddening to me. And, you know, I choose. I don't listen to those podcasters anymore. It has been, in the last six months, so heartbreaking. Some of the people that I have admired my entire life in broadcasting, people that, you know, as I was coming up in this world, in this space, that that was who I admired, who I wanted to emulate. Those are the people that I have unsubscribed, I have unfollowed, I want nothing to do with. I'll never go on their shows again. They'll never be invited on my shows. And, you know, I just have to draw a line in the sand. We have to just decide who we want to be as a conservative movement. And that isn't who I want to be. That's. That doesn't make me proud or excited for my kids to grow up and say, oh, this is. You know, my mommy works in this space, so I want to see that Change. And I think the best way to do that is to. To completely ignore these people so that they die out like, you know, a candle flame just being snuffed out if enough people are not engaging or listening or whatever anymore. So that's what I'm doing. As far as Turning Point goes, you know, everyone here is so incredible. I. I've said this so many times, but, you know, in the days after Charlie's death, it was like, I think we gave, you know, a day or two, and immediately people were messaging their directors and stuff, being like, can I come into the office? Like, I don't. I just. I don't know what to do with myself. Like, I can't just, like, sit at home. Charlie would hate that. He wouldn't want that. Can we come in? Can we just be together? And so, you know, from. From the very beginning, everybody here just felt like, you know, this mission, what we're doing, trying to save the greatest country in the history of the world. There are no breaks. You can't step away from that for even a second. You can't take your eye off the ball for even a second. And, you know, even, like, you know, we always host this huge event called America Fest every December, and it's. And it's like a couple days before Christmas. And so as employees, we always go into America Fest thinking, like, okay, we're almost done, and then we finally get a break. And Charlie would all always be like, all right, you know, great job in America Fest, whatever. We broke these records. We did this great job. We used this many tiles on the stage, no video tiles, this many lights, like, they would go through and be like, we had this many more semi trucks and more pyrotechnics and all, like, this was always a Charlie thing. And then, you know, he would celebrate all that, and then he would be like, all right, enjoy Christmas. But then it's back to work. No time to waste. We're back to work. As soon as you can start working, start working. It was because that is how Charlie was. And I just think spiritually, he kind of subconsciously must have known somehow, like, I don't have enough time. There's so much I need to accomplish. And that's why he was so disciplined with all the time that he had in a day. I mean, he never, ever was sitting around or doing nothing or, like, binge watching TV or, you know, nobody can find him because he's just, like, dilly dallying around. He was so, so mission focused 100% of the time. From the moment he woke up to the moment he went to bed. And even, you know, Erica's talked about this, being in the car on the way to work. He's making calls to call people and just be like, you know, how are things going? I'm checking in on you like every. He was habit stacking all the time, always habit stacking. He would do three or four things at once even. And so, you know, that mentality has just carried through with all of us that work here. And so it's, you know, every day people are here early, they're staying late. We've got a record amount of chapters that are being created. We've got eight states now, I think, that have, have committed to partnering with Turning Point USA to protect Turning Point high school and college chapters that are being created that, you know, no school administration is going to be able to prevent a child if they want to start a Turning Point chapter from starting one. So we are like, we are just going, going, going. And it's truly, it's the hardest time, obviously this is the hardest several months that any of us have ever gone through. But being here and having a purpose I think really helps with that grief. You know, if this was like an insurance agency or something, I don't know that I would feel that motivated to keep coming into work, you know, after my boss was murdered. But when you're working for a nonprofit like, like Turning Point that has something so special that they're building and, and, and saving and preserving, it makes it worthwhile. Like even on the really hard days, it makes it feel like, you know, I want to be here.
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A
You know, one of the. The first times I had ever really spilled spent in person and around Charlie, this was several years ago now. I remember being absolutely gobsmacked when he was listening to, I think a podcast or an audiobook on four times speed. Four times speed. Like he was ingesting and like this material at four times the speed of a normal human being. And I remember thinking to myself in that moment, again, this was probably two or three years ago, like, this man is a superhero human. But this past week it was, he's
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B
not sleeping on a flight, he's on a long flight. That's when he's reading the Bible, you know, so it's just like there was, again, no time wasted. And so we feel that urgency that Charlie carried with him at all times to, to. To keep it going and just take Turning Points. Turning Point to heights, you know, that he always dreamed of doing. And, and that's, that's why Erica has been such a phenomenal CEO, because, you know, nobody knew obviously what was in his brain as much as she did. And, and of course, again, she has all these journals because that's just. He was always writing things down. Even, like during his show, you know, he's writing notes and things. He was always doing that. And so I think that's just how he organized his thoughts. And so, you know, he had just big ideas, like, man, it'd be cool in the next five years for Turning Point to do this or whatever. Like, this is what, you know, he had written down. And so it's just, just like God knew, right? God knew that Erica was basically going to need a blueprint of what to do and, you know, that Charlie would have wanted. And so it's just been really cool. God's provision in that this past week
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A
was my first time back at headquarters since his murder. And like, I don't know, I think people have kind of handled this in two different ways, especially those who knew him personally. Where for myself, anytime a Charlie video has come up on my timeline, truthfully, I skip right by it. Like, I. It's hard to see and to know that he won't be sitting in that same seat doing a prove me wrong ever again. And so I've been of the mind to just skip right by it and kind of just, I don't want to say ignore it, but, but truthfully maybe that is the word. Like to just kind of ignore it. And so being at headquarters and seeing the beautiful tributes and the amazing things and the staff, I felt just so frustrated. And it made it all really, really real for me. Who's not there every single day. So you guys, the team that is there. You guys are just incredible. Last thing for you, I want to do a rapid maha. Yay or nay? So you can expand on this as much as you want or as simple as yay or nay, Starting with energy drinks. Nay. Oh, my gosh. Co sleeping.
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B
Yes. But there's nothing wrong with sleep training either. And that's a hot.
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A
Okay. Circumcision.
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B
Nay.
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A
Carnivore diet.
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B
Yay.
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A
Are there any fad diets out there that are, like, really beneficial, by the way?
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B
I think keto can be beneficial. Keto. There's. There's scientific evidence now that we. That just came out in the last few months that keto diet can help lessen schizophrenia symptoms. Keto diet can help reverse PCOS and heal from pcos. PCOS is a diet and lifestyle disease, by the way. If you have pcos, it's what you're eating. It's what you're eating and what you're doing that can obviously be fixed. So there is a lot of benefits for that. I don't think you need to live like that forever, but I think temporarily carnivore or keto can really be helpful for some people.
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A
Okay. Beef tallow.
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B
Yay.
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A
Peptides.
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B
Yay.
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A
Newborn vaccines.
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B
Nay.
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A
Okay. GLP1s.
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B
Nay.
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A
Traditional gender roles.
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B
Yay.
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A
Blocking people online.
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B
Yay. I love. You know what? You're blocked.
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A
You're blocked.
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B
You're blocked. You say something stupid, like, genuinely, it's just stupid. You could have googled that. You're blocked. I love curating my little special space. And you know what? This is my home. I don't have to allow everybody in my home to have dinner with me if I don't want. Want to. Especially if you're a loser. If you're nasty, you don't need to be here. Public figures need to utilize the block button way more than they are. You know who the only other person that is a prolific blocker like I am is? Mike Cernovich. If you know who Mike Cernovich is on X, he's a prolific blocker and I love him for that. He's. He's the. He is the guiding light on blocking.
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A
No, I love this. Me and the block button are like this. And I tried to avoid it. For a long time, like I was of the mind that if I'm blocking someone, then I'm censoring their free speech. They're allowed to comment on my stuff. But I finally reached this point where it's like, I'm not even gonna give you the liberty to leave some sort of hateful comment. And it blows my mind too. The fact that grown adults, like a fully grown man or woman is going to go to another person's social media page and leave a hate comment. Grow up, grow up. You're getting blocked. So I'm right there with you. Last thing for you, wellness trend that you love versus one that's overrated.
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B
Okay. Wellness trend that I love is red light therapy. Again, you can accomplish this with morning sun and evening sun, but red light device is so key, especially if you have any chronic pain or joint issues. You can even get a small device, hold that over your knee or your shoulder or whatever. For example. Example seriously decreases inflammation in the body and helps with hair growth. If you're struggling with hair growth as a man even it helps with skin lesions, scar healing. So if you got a C section scar or you just had surgery, hold the red light over that area. It'll really help speed up wound healing. And it also is very anti aging. I love doing that. I really think that contributes to just having good skin, healthy looking skin. And it also will really help you have deeper, better sleep at night.
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A
I love that. Okay, one that's overrated.
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B
Overrated is oat milk. So oat milk is not a health food. Stop drinking oat milk. If you are looking for a dairy free alternative. Oat milk is basically seed oils and sugar. That's it. It's absolutely terrible for you. I would recommend if you need to be dairy free, coconut milk, almond milk. Yeah, I would not do oat. I don't know what else there is, but that's what I would do.
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A
Okay, this is good. This is good. Well, Alex, thank you. You're always just a joy. I love how fiery you are and how principled you are. So thank you for joining.
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B
Thanks, Riley. I love you.
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A
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B
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