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Nick Sorter
There could have been a video of Carmelo saying that he was going to go up and kill one of the players and they would still say that he was the victim.
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Riley Gaines
17 year old boy named Austin Metcalfe. He went to a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas. Guess what? He never came home from that track meet because he was stabbed in the chest and killed during an altercation, I guess under a team tent. I think it was raining. We're going to get to some of those details today. But what followed that altercation, that murder, that, that senseless murder, it wasn't just a trial. It became this like cultural flashpoint. If your first instinct in a case like this is to view it through the lens of race, then you are the racist. Not Austin Metcalfe, not his family. You we are done with the race war bs. So you can go ahead and let Jasmine Crockett know that. You can go ahead and let Cardi B know that. You can let the Southern Poverty Law center know we are done. My guest today, he has been on the ground for this story and plenty of others just like it. Nick Sorter, he's an independent journalist. He is an on scene reporter. We're going to talk about what actually happened at that track meet, how the story has been totally hijacked online, why victims disappear when politics takes over, what this says about safety at school events and what it reveals about a culture that would rather fund go fund mes for a convicted killer than mourn the boy who was murdered. Well, Nick, thank you for joining. I'll tell you, I feel like I'm missing something with, with the online discourse, with the trial that has gone on because I'm watching people trip over themselves in real time to try and make the murderer the victim, presumably because of the color of his skin. You've been there, really through it all on the ground. For the people who have maybe just seen the headlines or maybe some of the, the viral social media clips, can you walk us through what actually happened at that Frisco track meet? What are some of the key Facts that have gotten lost in all the online discussions.
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Nick Sorter
Well, I mean, we heard witnesses under oath saying that Austin Metcalfe, as well as his brother Hunter and other teammates that were under that tent in Frisco, Texas, had asked Carmelo to leave over 15 times. Right. That was under oath, said by a witness. It was corroborated by other witnesses. And actually a defense's witness said that Carmelo was actually the instigator in the situation. That totally backfired on them. They scored no points in this trial at all. But with these people that were out here on the ground in the parking lot of the courthouse, none of that matters. The facts do not matter. They genuinely don't care. There could have been a video of Carmelo saying that he was going to go up and kill one of the players, and they would still say that he was the victim. They would say, oh, he was just coaxed into it somehow, like this was all a setup. And actually they have been saying that it's a setup. And so you can't reason with these people. And so I don't even try. That's why you don't hear me talking in any of the videos that I do. It's just there's no point in having discussions with them. They don't want to have discussions. They don't care. Especially what I would have to say because I'm a white guy. And, you know, it's. It's sad that there is a. An entire side of Tick Tock, for example, that is dedicated to spreading fake information about this case. They were referring to it as black talk, I guess, and I was scrolling through part of it on one of the Austin Metcalf supporters is a black guy. He was showing me on his phone. He was just scrolling through and just garbage after garbage after garbage. And so you have half the people that know they're lying but don't care because they think that it's, you know, they got to protect a brother. And then you have another part of people that say that are just kind of too stupid to. To know.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, you know, that's what. It's a good point. And I often ask myself this question because I feel like, again, when you're so wrapped up in the online, I have to kind of remove myself. And I'm like, are these people ignorant at best? That's like, best case scenario is that they're just simply stupid. Are they lazy? Do they not want to know the information? Or do they already know certifiably that they're lying? And they just don't really care, which I think that's worst case scenario because of course that points, I mean, straight to evil. Yeah. You white guy, you're like the king colonizer. You're like the ultimate oppressor because you're white and straight. Do you feel like I wanted to believe that it was like a fringe minority of people who was fully bought into the fact that or I guess the belief that Carmelo Anthony was the real victim here? Do you think it's bigger than what people want to initially assume?
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, well, what I will say is the group of people that was there, it was actually quite limited. It didn't turn into a riot because it really couldn't. They didn't have the numbers for that. They also weren't able to mobilize the self hating white liberals, which is very shocking. Right. You didn't hear anything from like Barack Obama. He didn't make any statements. Benjamin Crump, who's that race baiting attorney that likes to, you know, fan the flames of like the George Floyd situation was one of his, one of his key cases. Nothing from Benjamin Crump, nothing from Al Sharpton. Nobody has, on the, on the black side that has any sort of reputation has come to the defense of Carmelo Anthony. So because, because that's just how rock solid the facts are here. So it is a fringe minority of people, mostly black. I think I saw rather than media probably. I think there was one liberal white woman that was screaming with the blacks standing over there. And it's very difficult to get a riot started. As somebody that covers riots, it's hard to get a riot started if you, first of all, you don't have the numbers. And then second of all, you don't have those, you know, en masse, those self hating white liberals.
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Riley Gaines
You know, this was in Texas. You think it would have been different with like the on the ground presence and ability to mobilize if you were in a place like Minneapolis, which I know you've been to, or Portland or like a deep blue city in a blue state.
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Nick Sorter
Potentially. Yes. But even then, as I said, the biggest, I don't want to say reputable names because they're definitely not reputable people. These guys have started race wars all across the country. The ones that didn't speak out,
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Riley Gaines
I
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Nick Sorter
will say the sheriff's department did a fantastic job here. They toed the line perfectly between allowing speech and as soon as it got dicey, they stepped in every single time and they made arrests. They weren't afraid to make arrests. If it started, if a riot started, the National Guard would have been on the ground almost immediately. They weren't going to tolerate that here.
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Riley Gaines
No. And you know what? That's the beauty of America. And I think often gets lost in these discussion is you get to do that, you get to protest. We also get to call you stupid for it. But again, beauty of. Of America. You mentioned some of those reputable names. Reputable in air quotes who, who kind of have refrained from the national discussion. Uh, but one name I would not, you know, reputable would not be the word I would think to describe her who hasn't been hesitant to comment is Jasmine Crockett. We've got a quick video of Jasmine Crockett. I want to play for you here.
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Jasmine Crockett
Let's watch 35 years for a kid who had decided to go under a tent that was not his team's tent as it was raining and simply didn't want to be put out in the rain by some random kid that he didn't know who was larger than him. Listen, a lot of people don't know what it is to live as a black person in this country. But just like you can give the benefit of the doubt to so many police officers when they go out and they shoot some black unarmed person even though they are trained, the fact that there was little to no mercy seen or humanity seen when this black boy said that, I was scared.
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Riley Gaines
It's hard to like, have words to say or to. To appropriately analyze what she's getting at there. What's your reaction to these comments? And I think more broadly, what message do they really send?
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Nick Sorter
I think the Texas bar needs to raise their standards. That's the first thing that needs to happen because she is an attorney somehow as an attorney, I mean, I think at one point she admitted that she was a DEI prosecutor as well. So, I mean, which she just proved it right there, you know, Jasmine Crockett, like, I kind of forgot that she existed for the past, like two months now, after she got blown out in her primary down here. She's going to do anything she can to be relevant. But that was like one of the stupidest arguments that I've heard so far, being that she was basically excusing the murder of Austin Metcalfe because a black boy didn't want to stand in the rain. I mean, what the hell kind of argument is that? It's like, if I don't let you in my stand on my front porch when it's raining, you have the right to kill me, for example.
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Riley Gaines
What? Yeah, I, I don't. It's between her and Cardi B. Some of Cardi B's comments online, she's like, well, what am I going to tell my sons now? I don't know. Don't murder innocent white people. An innocent person in general. Like, like, what do you mean? What are you going to tell your sons? I'm, again, that's where I feel like I'm missing something. I'm like, am I actually the crazy one? Like, is it, is it me for not understanding at all how you could put, possibly be so aloof to why there are consequences. Consequences for horrible actions such as murdering a human being. Now, obviously, he, the jury convicted him of 35 years in prison. What do you make of this sentence? Like, were you surprised by this? Do you think this is like, really justice?
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Nick Sorter
It's, honestly, it's better than what I expected. Okay. This could have gone. As soon as they put manslaughter on the table and the defense went out of their way to make, make him look like a little boy. They put him in an oversized suit so that he looked smaller. They shaved his hair so that he, like, didn't have the, the dreads anymore, so he just had a little baby face looking thing. And they still, even with the mom crying on the stand and everything, still, she's a piece of work too. But so I know where he gets it from. They still, you know, came back with murder and 35 years, it could have gone up to 99 years, but they also could have gone down to as little as two years. That was the last ditch effort that the defense was trying to do, saying that it was a crime of passion. And so therefore, even though he's been convicted of murder, you can still only give him two years, and that's what you should do. Yeah. So, I mean, 35 years, it's, it's, it's better than what I expected, to be honest.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, 35 years. I don't know when he's eligible for parole, how young he could be, you know, Best case scenario for him of when he could, you know, be able to. To be released, I believe it's 17 years.
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Nick Sorter
But if the family is not going to, you know, the Texas Parole Board is pretty, pretty strict, so.
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Riley Gaines
And now they're. They're appealing this sentence, right? Is that correct?
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Nick Sorter
Yes, and we don't exactly know what they're appealing yet, and I don't know. I don't know if they know what they're appealing quite yet. So they put in a notice of appeal, but didn't say what they're appealing. They're just appealing, but at this point, they really don't have any money left. Spent it on houses, cars. I think the mom got a nose job. I mean, just look at the photo.
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Riley Gaines
I was going to ask you is how verifiable is it that she got a nose job?
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Nick Sorter
Because we saw get two pictures next to each other. Like, did her nose morph or did she get a nose job?
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, it's like Michael Jackson level of, of changes in the nose. But the GoFundMe efforts, again, we saw hundreds of thousands of dollars pour in for this family, presumably to use for, like, defense fund. Right. At least that's what you would imagine they would use it for. But no, instead, again, at least what's circulating online. I don't know how verifiable it is, but it seems as if they bought a new home, you know, like material items as opposed to using it for the defense fund. Is that true?
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, I mean, it's. They did use some of it for the defense fund, like these. The attorneys are expensive. And especially if you're going to try to pay an attorney that knows that they're probably going to, you know, embarrass themselves with the case on a national stage. So they did, though, not get him a legal team. He had one, a sole practitioner as his attorney. And they tried. Even though they had $600,000 raised, they still tried to have him use a public defender. And now apparently they're trying to get another public defender to take this appeal. And I don't know. I would say they're probably going to end up using the appeal to fundraise again. And where, if that money goes into, you know, a lawyer. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what kind of lawyer. All the lawyers that I've spoken with down here said that they wouldn't bother taking the case. It doesn't matter how much you pay them. Like, it's just, it's a waste of Time. And they're going to lose. There's nothing to appeal.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, you mentioned the. The mom kind of being a piece of work. I saw a video of Carmelo Anthony's grandmother, I believe, who was. I mean, repeatedly yelling things like racist and biased and prejudiced, alluding to the jury and the sentencing. I think we have a clip. Let's play it really, really quick. A white person to hit a black boy.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, it's a freaking mess out there the whole time. Right. And that's why the audio is so bad, because there's just a bunch of feral people screaming. And obviously you've got grandma, you know, riling up the crowd saying, you know, racist, prejudice, bias. And then at one point, the second time, when I went up to the window, you can hear her say, they just sent a message that a white boy can hit a black boy and have no consequences for it. Austin Metcalfe is dead. What are the consequences, do you want, lady? And that's who you're dealing with. These people. Something doesn't click. And it's clear by watching how she was, like, race hustling the crowd there. I mean, who raised the Carmelo Anthony, right? I mean, it runs in the family, clearly.
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Riley Gaines
You know, I. It seems as if there's a faction of society that wants to be the victim. Right? Because I really do think it's very lucrative.
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Nick Sorter
It's very lucrative.
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Riley Gaines
It's lucrative, and I think it's. It's how we've been set up certainly over the past five years is we very much created these two boxes where you are either an oppressor or you are oppressed. And as we've said, the oppressors, like, Nick, you're the top of the totem pole here. You're white, you're straight, you're cis. Okay, like whatever other buzzword they want to use, you're the top of the totem pole. Therefore, you are an oppressor. Really, no matter what you do, even if you're murdered, you. You're still the oppressor. But on the other hand, you have the oppressed. And if you look at it, if you're an oppressor, you owe someone something. But if you are oppressed, you are owed something. Someone has to give you something simply for just like, existing and being that. So if you get to pick which box you want to be in, clearly you're going to pick the. The oppressed between something like this and even, like the Southern Poverty Law center, for example. Do you think they almost want a racial war?
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Nick Sorter
Yes. Absolutely they do. The guy, Dominique Alexander was his name. He was the guy that was always standing next to Carmelo Anthony. One of those. Those paid race baiters, you know, the guy that wants to be the modern day Al Sharpton type guy. And they're driving around in. They have like a convoy of brand new escalades, you know, $100,000 each, and they all match. And they drive up, they're all wearing suits, and they're seeing this as dollar signs. That's what they were seeing this as. They were hoping that if they could find a way to get this guy off that it was going to launch their. It's called the Next Generation Action Network or something. It was going to just blow them into the stratosphere. Right. They were going to just be swimming in cash at that point. It's sad that it comes down to that, that you have to think about it from terms of, okay, you know, people are just trying to profit off of it. If they were able to successfully turn him into George Floyd, which is what they wanted to do, you know, the amount of money that flows in at that point, we think about Black Lives Matter, for example, like how many hundreds of millions of dollars was thrown into that organization that was just, you know, everybody within the organization ended up getting rich. They didn't do anything for black people. It was all about the money. And in this case, that's. If there were riots, it would have been very profitable for these people.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah. You know, I've always wanted to ask that question to those who are really bought into the BLM movement and such, is, as a black person, how did your life improve from the BLM movement? Genuinely, like, not a sarcastic hypothetical question, like, how did your life improve from a few people, maybe a handful of people, profiting millions and millions of dollars off of the backs of George Floyd. And to your point, creating this kind of George Floyd esque moment, whether you agree with the George Floyd situation that I think there were more undisputed facts in that case, or, excuse me, disputed facts in that case, and the Carmelo Anthony, it is undisputed that he's a murderer. He murdered as opposed to George Floyd ultimately dying again. Whether whatever you believe the means of his death to be, Carmelo Anthony case is totally different than that right there. You've spent, you know, years covering all sorts of different protests and politically charged events. What has been some of the scariest encounters that you've had? Because I have some pretty vivid memories of clips of you in Minnesota and other places where, I mean, you had to imagine that, you know, your life was in danger.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, especially in places like Minnesota because the police won't respond to me, right? They're not going to. Back when I was being chased down the street in Minnesota, they, like, were adamant on knowing my name before they would respond. And as soon as I gave them my, my name, you know, they would already have it based on me calling from my own phone. But they're just like cross checking to make sure that, that it is actually me. Like they're just not going to respond. And they didn't respond. They were willing. They just did not. They would have hung up the phone on me. When I tried calling 911 out there, they. And then obviously my vehicle was attacked out there. Finally they got insurance to come through and, and pay for the damages there because they were throwing rocks through my windows. And while we were in the car trying to get out of there, we were trying to leave and they didn't want that. So they're like telling me to leave and then I leave and then they try to block me from leaving. It's, you know, again, you're not dealing with the best and brightest, but it's, it's a little scary sometimes, but it's also like you're in the moment. It's an adrenaline rush at the same time. So you're like, more focused on, I guess you're trying to continue getting the story. Right. There's a reason that I feel like I'm filling a gap because the legacy media will immediately just run away whenever it gets a little bit dicey. And mostly so that they can say, oh, well, while we were there, it was mostly peaceful. Right? It's because you left, but it wasn't peaceful, you know, so it's part of the job. And in like outside ice Newark. Right. I think, I think a lot of the, the independent coverage that was there is the reason that a lot of that has died down at this point. And then why Newark PD and the state police had to come in and actually do their jobs.
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Riley Gaines
You know, I can tell based on, I mean, even just this Conversation. Of course, I see on all your posts online, but even just based on this conversation, like, you really approach things entirely unbiased and absolutely independent. Do you think that's becoming increasingly difficult to do with the scope of, of both legacy media, but also social media? And again, to, to be able to fund your work, like, it's got to be hard to approach a situation totally unbiased and have people kind of in your corner supporting you. Especially again, part of those kind of larger institutions.
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, I mean, like, part of what I do that's probably a little bit different than some of these other people is that is I don't, I don't talk in my head and I don't put myself in my videos either. I just, I film, I show what's going on on the ground and I do it straight from my phone. And actually, I mean, you can tell like I actually got, got shot with a rubber bullet the other day with the back of the phone. It deflected with the, with the phone. But it's all, it's all raw footage that I am just on the fly uploading, so I don't have time to edit it. And you know, besides just trimming, it's, it's, it's raw, straight from the ground, almost in real time. And I think that's, there's, there's. I think there's value to that. Rather than filming, you know, one long segment to put out at the end of the day, as situations evolve, it's important for people to know in real time what's going on as real time as we possibly can. Without doxing my exact location. That's one of the more difficult parts about it too. More and more people are doing it, which is great. I tell other independent reporters that I work with where I'm going. We watch each other's back the entire time. We want as many eyes on the ground as we possibly can, as many angles that we can possibly get. And anybody can do it. You know, just start a. Start an X account. You might get banned on Instagram for recovering some of this stuff. So do it on X instead.
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Riley Gaines
I know, I was going to say, what do you find to be the best social platform to reach people? Because at least for me, in my consumption, obviously I'm not creating like you are in that way, but in my consumption, I mean, I always go to X. That's where I find out like all my breaking news. It's significantly faster than what I have seen any other outlet. You think X is the best place for It.
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Nick Sorter
Oh, yeah. And it's not even close. I don't bother much at all with Instagram. I mean, I do have an Instagram. I just don't really use it much. And TikTok. TikTok is garbage. So I do have an account there. I don't really use that one either. Facebook, not really interested. I'm not interested in the AI generated garbage that ends up on that. All over that website.
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Riley Gaines
It is so true. It is so true. And it's so sad because my poor grandma falls for it every time.
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Nick Sorter
I know, I know. She. But she texts me and I'm like, grandma, I. No, no.
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Riley Gaines
My grandma will send me, like, a video of, like, these little babies talking and, like, running out of the hospital. And she's like, look, Riley, I'm like, gammy, that is fake. Come on, Gammy.
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Nick Sorter
The Indian sloth videos. It's like, that's how Facebook makes their money at this point.
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Riley Gaines
What do you make of AI videos being used now in, like, campaigns and ads and commercials online? We saw Sprinter Pratt do it. Obviously, that's a totally different conversation in terms of what the outcome of that was, how fair or how real or how fraudulent that was. But nonetheless, he. He used some AI ads. What do you. What do you make of that as a. As a journalist and someone who, again, values what is real and what is true?
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Nick Sorter
Yeah, I mean, so those ads were actually pretty well done. Right. The AI ads that I have an issue with are the ones that are basically, like, nefariously generated to make it. Well, I think there was one. What was it? I think Thomas. Thomas Massie had. Oh, his opponent put one out of him, like going into a hotel room with Ilhan Omar and AOC with a Do not Disturb sign on it, making it look like it was CCTV footage. It's like, that stuff is gross, man. That's just. That's like. You don't even have to like Thomas Massie to be like, all right, that's a little crappy. And it's just going to get more and more and more common because when people see that ad and there is a certain generation of folks that tend, as we just talked about, that tend to fall for AI stuff more than others. They make up a large portion of the voter base, Riley. So it's genuinely concerning that the ad itself will go viral and then there'll be an asterisk somewhere in the beginning of the ad, talking about how part of it is AI generated. It'll be right here, way down at the bottom of the screen and it'll flash and then you won't see it anymore and there's not enough momentum to counter it. Right. It's kind of disgusting. Yeah, I have very tough feelings on that one.
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Riley Gaines
No, I do too, and I'm glad you said that because you're right. It elicits a response. And when you're talking about people who think like infant babies can run out of the hospital immediately upon being born, like my grandma, then it's not an honest response. Last thing for you. You know, I don't really like hypotheticals. I don't like assuming, although I do think we have enough information or background or examples now to. To probably pretty accurately depict an outcome or predict what the case would be. But let's say this Carmelo Anthony case was kind of roles reversed or races reversed. And let's say the murderer in this scenario was white and Austin Metcalfe was black. How different do you think the response would be from the public?
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Nick Sorter
Well, they would have already been. They would have started rioting the day after it happened. That would have been pretty. I mean, obviously it's a hypothetical, but I do believe that to be the case. It would have been much more. I guess this was widely covered and it was outrage amongst people like myself. And obviously regular Americans would be mad about murdering an innocent kid just because you wanted to stand under his tent or whatever. It's just a ridiculous story. But, you know, if they, if they are able to grab something, race wise, they're absolutely going to do it. It's proven time and time and time again. Like, even, like, why would you defend that? You made the, like the George Floyd, the. The Reincarnation of Christ, like out of that. Like this, this Fentanyl head woman beater, allegedly.
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Riley Gaines
That's 37 time arrested.
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Nick Sorter
Right? It's so, like, yeah, they would have tried to use that if the races were swapped. They would have definitely used that as an excuse to. To riot in the streets. They wouldn't have waited until the trial. They would have done it, like I said, the day after.
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Nick Sorter
Well, part of what I do is I rapidly deploy to places so I never have an actual schedule. I have clothes for the cold and for the warm. Just because you just don't know. And so just see what pops off next. It might have to go up there to New York City because y' all can't behave. And I don't know if you saw that. The. I thought you're supposed to riot when your team loses. Well, I mean, still not riot when your team loses. But, like, why are you rioting when your team wins? What is going on, guys? Why are you destroying taxi cabs in the middle of the road? Holding up a Palestine flag, Destroying a taxicab of a taxi whose driver is probably from that region of the world. Right. I mean, it's just. It makes no sense. So I think that I might have to go there for the next game.
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Riley Gaines
It is so. It is so crazy how you kind of see the same crowd, or at least from my experience, you know, dealing with mostly the trans issue, it's those same people who, you know, valiantly defend the trans flag. Well, the next day, they're holding up the Palestine flag or the Ukraine flag or the Venezuela flag or whatever, insert the flag other than the American flag. So, yeah, unless they're burning it.
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Nick Sorter
They like to do that.
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Riley Gaines
Oh, yeah. Well, of course, if it's red, white and blue, has 50 stars and 13 stripes, it deserves to be on fire, on the ground, being stomped on. Which the irony, because living here gives them the ability to do that, it fires me up every time I see a video of someone burning the American flag while hoisting up another one. It's like, go live there. Go, go see. If you could do that to that flag in that nation, I have a feeling they would be a whole lot more appreciative for America and the freedoms that we have.
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Nick Sorter
So, yeah, they learned the hard way.
- [34:44]
Riley Gaines
Yeah. Well, God bless you. Thank you. We're gonna pray for you and your safety and your ability to keep being effective because you rock. I get so much of my information from you. I have my post notifications on so I feel like I'm employing with you except I'm from the comfort of my own home. So thank you very, very much. Thank you guys for watching the Riley Gaines Show. You can subscribe right here. We have new episodes every single Tuesday and Friday at Eastern time and we are covering everything from pop culture to politics to deep dives to motherhood, sports, all of that and more. We want to hear from you though. What is it that you want to hear? Comment down below. We can't wait to see you next time.
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