Amelia Gray Hamlin is (Still) Tired of Your Misconceptions

Summary

The Run-Through with Vogue: Amelia Gray Hamlin is (Still) Tired of Your Misconceptions

Release Date: August 8, 2025

In this captivating episode of The Run-Through with Vogue, host Irene Kim and guest Willow Lindley delve deep into the multifaceted world of model Amelia Gray Hamlin. The conversation offers listeners an intimate look into Amelia's passion for fashion, her journey through the modeling industry, and the personal challenges she faces amidst public scrutiny. Below is a detailed summary of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insightful anecdotes, and memorable quotes.

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1. First Encounters and Memorable Experiences

The episode opens with reminisces about Amelia's initial interactions within the Vogue offices. Amelia shares a humorous and memorable experience during her first visit to the World Trade Center ahead of last year's Met Gala.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [02:27]: "As summer winds down, I am ready to refresh my wardrobe with staple pieces for the season ahead. And not just my own. My kids' back-to-school outfits are top of mind."

Irene Kim and Willow Lindley recount the chaos surrounding a unique dress Amelia had to model—a terrarium dress that required unexpected maintenance.

• Willow Lindley [03:01]: "Heider Ackerman was really someone that I had looked up to so much. To have that moment was just insane."

• Irene Kim [03:18]: "Amelia was such a trooper. Cause that dress was a terrarium. It was an undercover dress that was in the exhibition."

2. The Couture Journey: Dreams and Realities

Amelia delves into her experience with haute couture, expressing both awe and disbelief at her burgeoning career in an industry she once thought was out of reach.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [06:10]: "Couture was amazing. I still can't really wrap my head around the fact that I do couture and that that's my life."

She reflects on her first couture show with Jean Paul Gaultier and her ongoing relationship with Chanel, highlighting the surreal nature of walking for such esteemed brands.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [07:33]: "I've done, I think, 11 Chanel shows. I don't understand how."

• Willow Lindley [07:55]: "I'm still not really. I don't understand how this is my life. Pinch me."

3. Behind the Scenes: Challenges and Triumphs

The conversation shifts to the rigorous demands of fashion shows, particularly focusing on the physical and mental challenges Amelia faces during performances.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [13:01]: "The way that I work is just very like an actor in the sense that, like, no Runway that I go on is ever really the same."

Amelia shares a particularly strenuous experience from a Chanel Couture show, describing the physical strain of walking uphill while maintaining poise.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [14:38]: "Walking uphill in a poised way and manner is like, really hard."

4. Personal Insights: Navigating Misconceptions and Online Criticism

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Amelia addressing the misconceptions and online negativity she endures as a model.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [26:00]: "It has been really hard for me, being told who I am and being told that I do things that don't exist."

She emphasizes the importance of maintaining a positive support system and staying true to oneself amidst external judgments.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [23:27]: "Rejection is hard for anyone in any industry. But it's all about perspective."

5. Anecdotes and Light-Hearted Moments

Amelia shares charming stories that humanize her public persona, including interactions with children and behind-the-scenes antics during shoots.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [19:43]: "He was like, 'Does she have superpowers?' So he came up to me and was like, 'She's cute. Do you have your superpowers with you?'"

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [17:47]: "I was rolling around. I touched everything."

These anecdotes not only showcase her playful side but also highlight the unexpected moments that occur in the life of a model.

6. Balancing Personal Life and a Demanding Career

The discussion also touches upon the challenges of maintaining personal relationships in an industry that demands constant travel and public exposure.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [22:52]: "Finding someone who has a similar life to you, but that isn't a model, is really nice."

She offers valuable advice on the importance of compatibility and understanding in relationships, especially when both partners lead busy lives.

7. Embracing Positivity and Facing Challenges

Amelia emphasizes the role of a strong support system and personal rituals in maintaining her positive outlook despite the demanding nature of her career.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [23:27]: "A support system, a beautiful support system, is so important."

She discusses her "yes person" attitude, which sometimes leads to unforeseen challenges but ultimately contributes to her growth and resilience.

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [24:09]: "I'm a big yes person, and it gets me in trouble sometimes."

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Notable Quotes

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [06:47]: "Heider Ackerman was really someone that I had looked up to so much. To have that moment was just insane."

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [22:21]: "And it's important to find someone who also travels a lot, because it's really hard to be in a relationship when you're the only person leaving."

• Amelia Gray Hamlin [27:16]: "But ultimately, it comes down to loving what you do."

Conclusion

This episode of The Run-Through with Vogue offers a profound glimpse into Amelia Gray Hamlin's life, balancing the glamour of high fashion with the personal challenges she faces. Through candid conversations and heartfelt stories, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the resilience and passion that drive Amelia's successful modeling career. Her insights serve as an inspiration to aspiring models and fashion enthusiasts alike, reminding us that behind every stunning runway walk lies a story of perseverance and unwavering dedication.

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Produced by:
Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma, and Stephanie Cariucki
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Pran Bandy and James Yost
Mixed by:
Mike Kutchman
Conde Nast's Head of Global Audio:
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Stay tuned for more engaging conversations on The Run-Through with Vogue, where fashion meets authenticity.

Transcript

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[Amelia Gray]

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[Irene Kim]

Amelia, we are so happy to have you here at the studio. I'm very happy to see you. Welcome, welcome. It's great to see you again. When we first met actually in this building, was that the first time you'd come to the building? Okay, so the first time Emelia and I met, we had Amelia come to the World Trade center for the first time. And it was ahead of the Met gala last year.

[Willow Lindley]

It was three days ahead.

[Irene Kim]

It was three days ahead. You were fresh off a.

[Willow Lindley]

From Chanel Marseille.

[Irene Kim]

Yep, yep. And we had quite a dress for you to try.

[Willow Lindley]

Well, the first time I met you, you were pretty much on the floor under my dress, screwing me in.

[Irene Kim]

Exactly. And most dresses don't require screwdrivers in my. You know, I've been at Vogue for 10 years. It was the first time I had to ask maintenance for a screwdriver.

[Willow Lindley]

Screwdrivers. Or a beautiful blonde woman on the floor looking up your skirt. Hi. Nice to meet you.

[Irene Kim]

It's so nice to meet you. Yeah. And Amelia was such a trooper. Cause that dress was a terrarium. It was an undercover dress that was in the exhibition. It was actually the dress that was the COVID of the catalog, too, which was very impressive. But it was an actual terrarium. And so it was Plexiglas or plastic or a variety of things. And you kindly held it up while I screwed you in from a variety of.

[Willow Lindley]

Gotta help a sister out, you know?

[Irene Kim]

And you held it together. Well. And then do you remember what we did after we screwed in the dress?

[Willow Lindley]

We turned the lights on.

[Irene Kim]

Well, no, we couldn't turn the lights on. So there were electrical strips in the dress that we couldn't figure out how to turn on. But we made you go to the cafeteria and practice walking up and down the stairs.

[Willow Lindley]

Right. Of course.

[Unknown]

They told me, don't go to the cafeteria. Because they were like, someone's gonna be in their Met gal outfit, and you can't look.

[Irene Kim]

So you're in that Met fitting.

[Willow Lindley]

It's interesting. Cause I don't think many people know, like, the story behind that Met look. And it's interesting that right now. What is it now? It's February, and I'm already having conversations of the Met. Blessed, by the way. Blessed dreams come true. But last year, I didn't have conversations about the Met until four days before the Met, in which I was told that I needed to fly to New York and try on this dress. Crazy. And that if the dress fit me, then I could go, yes.

[Unknown]

So it's very Cinderella.

[Irene Kim]

I didn't know that they had really broken it down that much.

[Willow Lindley]

Oh, they broke it down.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

And I was just like, you know what? If it's meant to be, it's gonna be. I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know if the dress would be the size of, like, a pinky finger or if it would be huge. And it ended up actually being Quite big.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

Which was nice because I had space to put padding and protect my hips. Cause it was hard as a rock.

[Irene Kim]

It was hard as a rock.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah. But an incredible memory.

[Irene Kim]

And then tell us a little bit of the Day of the Met experience, because I heard there was an electrician involved.

[Willow Lindley]

God bless the Carlisle Hotel. I walked into my room because I actually had a photo shoot also the day of the Met for Katie. Grand. Perfect. Anything for Katie. So I Woke up at 5 that day shot. Went straight to the Carlisle after shooting, and there was an electrician in my room. And he was the electrician from the Carlisle. I'm horrible with names, and I sadly forgot his name. But we love him so much, and we made sure.

[Irene Kim]

We all love him so much.

[Willow Lindley]

We made sure we took care of him. And he was in my room for, like, two hours. Like, going downstairs, getting parts, coming back up, going downstairs, coming back up.

[Irene Kim]

All for the terrarium dress.

[Willow Lindley]

All for the terrarium.

[Unknown]

I mean, it was incredible. So it was worth it.

[Willow Lindley]

It really was.

[Unknown]

And speaking of experiences, we've been loving seeing photos of you and videos of you at, you know, Couture. How was it?

[Willow Lindley]

Couture was amazing. I think for me, I still can't really wrap my head around the fact that I do couture and that that's my life. I dreamt, and I still dream of so many things. But that being said, I think there were dreams that almost felt too far away, if that makes sense. I'm very well aware of the fact that I'm a Nepo baby, and I'm extremely grateful for that. I'm aware of everything that I am. But Couture was just never something I thought I would be accepted into. So Jean Paul Gaultier was actually my first ever couture show.

[Irene Kim]

What was that?

[Willow Lindley]

Heider Ackerman.

[Irene Kim]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Willow Lindley]

Which was. Oh, my gosh. Like. And Heider had already been someone that I had looked up to so, so much. And just, like, so wonderful. His idea of a woman. And I hadn't even known him as a human being yet. And then it just takes it to another level. Cause he's one of the most incredible people, I think, in this industry. But so I was always a fan. And so to have that moment was just insane. And then to now continue having these insane Couture moments. I'm still not really. I don't understand how. This is my life. And that being said, I really don't understand that. I walk Chanel. Yeah, that's major. Like, I'VE done, I think, 11 Chanel shows. I don't understand.

[Irene Kim]

There's couture, and then there's Chanel couture.

[Unknown]

And every Chanel couture, we see your Runway photo.

[Irene Kim]

I don't care.

[Willow Lindley]

I don't get it. Like, how is, like, it's so insane to me, and I love what I do so much. Like, to be able to do all these different runways and couture for brands that I felt were too big to dream about is just crazy. And it's like, pinch me. Wake me up from the dream.

[Irene Kim]

You know, you're fitting at Vogue World, actually, which happened during last couture. Oh, my gosh. And I was one of my favorite.

[Willow Lindley]

You were wearing shirts 1920.

[Irene Kim]

Exactly. And your excitement over that dress, I mean, we were doing a million fittings a day in the west, and it was such a crazy environment, and it was. You know, what's so great is it can start to feel a bit run of the mill. Right. You're just doing fittings and you're busy, and you're running around, and then you come in, and you were such a ray of sun, and you were so excited about the dress, and you were so excited that the Chanel team was there fixing the beading. And it was very special to watch. Your reaction to that 1920s vintage dress. It was a recreation of a vintage dress.

[Willow Lindley]

Right. Which was insane. Thank you for saying that. You know, I think it's really interesting, because the career that I have and the industry that I'm in, it's not usually one that people choose. Almost every girl's story is, I was walking on the street and someone scouted me, but that's completely opposite to my story. I scouted everyone else. Like, I had already known that this is what I wanted to do since I was five years old. I have no idea why. I swear, like, I have this intuitive feeling that, like, either I was a model in my past life and I died, like, maybe Gia. Okay, don't come for me. But, like, I'm just saying, it's just an idea.

[Irene Kim]

We're just spitballing.

[Willow Lindley]

It's just an idea.

[Irene Kim]

Okay.

[Willow Lindley]

And Many lives, many masters. My new favorite book, this one woman has had 86 lives. I'm just saying. Okay, it could have been one.

[Irene Kim]

Yep.

[Willow Lindley]

But that being said, I went out and had to, like, find everyone. And so my story's different, but also my passion is different. And I think that I don't really understand how a lot of the girls don't feel the same way. That I do, because to me, it's so exciting, and it's my dream, and it's what I love to do, and I could not imagine doing anything really else. I mean, I feel really lucky that I love what I do. My dad always said, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life.

[Unknown]

Love that.

[Willow Lindley]

So.

[Irene Kim]

And it's so nice to meet fashion obsessives. I think. I think we all can get busy, and it can feel like a lot, and it's so nice to remember why we're here.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah. And I don't think I'm necessarily obsessed with fashion in itself, which is interesting, because I was reading this interview that Lata did, and I'm not sure her exact verbatim, but she said something like, I just love clothes or something like that. And I think for me, I'm the opposite. Like, I don't really care about clothes that much. I love the art and collaborative experience that takes place in fashion, and I love women. And I think that. I mean, it's true that fashion is one of the only industries where women make more and are sort of on the pedestal more. And I think that that's such a beautiful thing, and that's also why I love doing it, and I love the people. There's good people in fashion.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah. Before we move on, I do want to ask, are you excited for Heider's Tom Ford? Because you brought him up.

[Willow Lindley]

I am so excited for Heider's Tom Ford. You know, it's funny, because I have been to the Tom Ford casting every single time I land in Milan since my career started, and I have gotten so close to getting it. They fit me in clothes this and that. Na, na na. And I've never gotten it because it's always just been one person doesn't support me, which is fine. I love a challenge. Like, make it harder for me because it's so boring if you get everything all at once like that. You know, careful what I wish for. I need to, like, careful what I put out there. But, you know, you have to work for things. And I think that hopefully I can finally do Tom Ford.

[Irene Kim]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Crossing ourselves.

[Willow Lindley]

Okay.

[Irene Kim]

We're manifesting it here.

[Willow Lindley]

Manifesting.

[Unknown]

And it's in Paris, so that's exciting.

[Willow Lindley]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, I didn't know that you heard it here first. Yay.

[Unknown]

So Vogue France did a really fun video with you where they spent 24 hours with you, and you said before you go on the Runway, you like to channel a character.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Who Are some of the characters you channel and, you know, what are you thinking about in your mind when you're walking?

[Willow Lindley]

You know, the character is all dependent on the outfit that I'm given. And I think that I was raised, obviously, in a household of actors. But that being said, I was also raised to be an actress. I was forced. I really did not like this growing up, but I'm so grateful for it now. I was forced to do plays. I have done, like, 11 or 12 musicals, and I always played a man.

[Irene Kim]

Who's your favorite man that you played?

[Willow Lindley]

I played Teddy Roosevelt for Annie. Was that the Roosevelt that was in Annie? I was in a wheelchair. And then for High School Musical, my sister was Troy Bolton, and I was Mr. Fulton.

[Irene Kim]

I love this.

[Unknown]

That's amazing.

[Willow Lindley]

The way that I work is just very like an actor in the sense that, like, no Runway that I go on is ever really the same. And I don't really think about my walk ever. Unless it was like, the Chanel show for your couture that we did last week was probably one of the hardest shows I've ever done in my career because it was uphill. And so Both of the Cs were uphill and then downhill, and we had to do both Cs. So we did that essentially four times. Cause the show is twice. So my shin splints were, like, on fire because we couldn't bend our knees going uphill because we had to look Chanel. So it's like, going uphill in a poised way and manner. So that is hard. And when it's hard, I'm in my head and I have weird thoughts. Just kind of like, amelia, you got this. You're almost done. Like, you can breathe. You can breathe at the end. Like, just hold it in. But like, for instance, the Gaultier show, I didn't have anything going through my mind during it. And I think that's when it's really such a beautiful experience and an energizing experience, when it's just, like, you put the outfit on and the character is already in you. Like, it's not even. Like, I'm necessarily thinking about the character that I'm gonna portray. It's all about the outfit, and that is the character. And so I think that when I'm really passionate about an outfit, then it just makes the experience so much more beautiful and authentic to me. But you never really know what you're gonna get when you go out there. It's always different than rehearsal. And I'm always like, listen, I'm gonna Do my best.

[Irene Kim]

We're just gonna see.

[Willow Lindley]

We're gonna wing it.

[Irene Kim]

We're gonna see.

[Willow Lindley]

And yeah, like.

[Unknown]

Like see your mom from the corner of your eye.

[Willow Lindley]

I tried, I tried, but, you know, she didn't warn me that she was wearing a blonde insane wig. So I'm looking for Lisa Rena hair, and I couldn't find her because she wasn't there. There was a different woman there.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And your mom, she said she cried when she watched you, which was so sweet. Like, is it like comforting to have your mom at the shows? And she's always with you. You guys are shopping, eating.

[Willow Lindley]

She's stunning. She might be bff. Like, I am so beyond grateful to have her as a mother in this life. And I truly do believe that I chose her. I don't know if those are your guys beliefs, but that is mine. Like, I chose this woman to be my mom. But side note, my dad doesn't get enough credit. And he's great too. Love him, love him. Takes two.

[Unknown]

His pasta sauce, it's got it last night.

[Willow Lindley]

Yes, I did. So good.

[Irene Kim]

I should see it.

[Willow Lindley]

I know. Shoot.

[Unknown]

Cause I heard Harry Hamlin's pasta is so good that like, people take it home after they leave your house.

[Irene Kim]

Okay. Maybe you should come in. We could do a now serving.

[Willow Lindley]

Oh, my God.

[Irene Kim]

For the two of you.

[Unknown]

That'd be great.

[Amelia Gray]

More with Amelia Gray. After a quick break.

[Irene Kim]

We had such a blast on the subway.

[Willow Lindley]

On the subway.

[Irene Kim]

Can I break the news that it was your first subway ride on this podcast?

[Willow Lindley]

Well, technically, it was my second.

[Irene Kim]

Okay, but the first with your sister.

[Willow Lindley]

I'm gonna get so much shit from you.

[Irene Kim]

No, the first with your sister.

[Willow Lindley]

You're a new New Yorker. It was the first with my sister.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah. But also now people have been seeing the news. Guys.

[Unknown]

Oh, no. I. I want to live.

[Willow Lindley]

I love.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah, we talk.

[Unknown]

Sometimes I walk and to down to Brooklyn. So I'm on the subway for as little time as possible. It's scary.

[Willow Lindley]

I need to take the ferry with you now that I'm a BK girl.

[Irene Kim]

Exactly. So we're BK girls. But this, we had a really fun. It was for our February issue and we went down into that subway.

[Willow Lindley]

We went down.

[Irene Kim]

You and Delilah?

[Willow Lindley]

Yep.

[Irene Kim]

It was so fun.

[Willow Lindley]

Our first Vogue shoot together.

[Irene Kim]

Your first Vogue shoot together. We were gossiping about boys the entire time.

[Willow Lindley]

I have a lot to tell you, by the way.

[Irene Kim]

I'm so excited. Off air conversation. And we had so much fun. You almost touched the ground of the subway.

[Willow Lindley]

Well, you know, I was gonna Just, like, harp on that for a second. Because it's so funny. Cause when I'm myself, like, when I'm Emelia, just a girl, I am so afraid of germs. And I don't like being dirty, and I don't like weird feelings on my body. Like, I don't like to be all oily and weird and, like, dirty. But when I'm Emelia Gray at work, nothing matters.

[Irene Kim]

Nothing matters.

[Willow Lindley]

Tell me why I was touching every single subway rail.

[Irene Kim]

Nope. It was giving me.

[Willow Lindley]

I could have rolled around.

[Unknown]

You were rolling around.

[Willow Lindley]

I was.

[Irene Kim]

I have video.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah. I was rolling around. I touched everything.

[Irene Kim]

And Delilah laid down.

[Willow Lindley]

How do you do that? Delilah laid down.

[Irene Kim]

She laid down.

[Willow Lindley]

I mean, there's some crazy things that I do that I would never do in my real life.

[Unknown]

Well, the photos came out great, so.

[Irene Kim]

And just in case you thought we'd shut down a subway car, there were other riders.

[Willow Lindley]

Right.

[Irene Kim]

But we went three stops.

[Willow Lindley]

Maybe four.

[Irene Kim]

Maybe four.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

It was probably their first time seeing a supermodel and Prada, right?

[Irene Kim]

Yeah. Irene was very nervous that we'd taken the Prada looks and the Burberry look on her sister on the subway. Irene was having a meltdown with the clothes. Yeah. I was like, like.

[Unknown]

Like, Mark, like, sometimes you sit on the subway and, like, you sit on water.

[Willow Lindley]

No, it was. We. We took some clean carts. But it's also interesting because I'm so shy in my real life. I'm like, I don't want people looking at me, and I don't wanna cause a scene. And I don't like trespassing or doing things that aren't right. But then it's like, here I am on the subway. I mean, I did a way crazier thing than the subway last week in Paris, where I was painted gold, head to toe, naked at the Pompidou Museum, and I had to go to Gaultier in an hour. And now I'm painted gold. And I ran through the Pompidou Museum with Louis Vuitton Murakami bags covering my bo. There were people in the museum. There were children, and I'm pretty sure I traumatized them. And everyone saw that. But to me, when I'm at work, nobody's watching me, and I don't care.

[Irene Kim]

You're in the zone.

[Willow Lindley]

I'm in the zone.

[Irene Kim]

You're in a character.

[Willow Lindley]

But if that was, like, my real life painted gold, naked, I would have cry.

[Irene Kim]

It's a weird way to go to a museum if you're just strolling through on A Sunday.

[Willow Lindley]

Right.

[Irene Kim]

But no judgment.

[Willow Lindley]

I mean, you do you.

[Irene Kim]

Speaking of children you haven't traumatized and characters you've played, when we were on that shoot, I heard a really cute story that you saw Candice Swanepoel's kids, and they had seen a picture of.

[Willow Lindley]

You as Violet from the Incredibles. Oh, my God. And Candace was showing her son a picture of me on the plane, being like, this is who we're gonna work with, whatever. And it was the Violet picture of me. And he was like, mommy, does she have superpowers? So he came up to me and he was like, she's cute. Do you have your superpowers with you? And I was like, you know, I need my suit to have my invisible bubble powers. But next time, I promised him that next time I see him, I will have my suit and my powers. So, Candace, I can never see your son again.

[Irene Kim]

It's off the table. Yes. That is the cutest story ever.

[Unknown]

That's so cute. But maybe next Halloween you can dress up and go, right?

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah, I need to, like, figure out the superpower part, but, yeah. Need a little time.

[Irene Kim]

A little time.

[Amelia Gray]

The run through will be back in just a moment.

[Irene Kim]

Do you have a Valentine, Emelia?

[Willow Lindley]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

[Irene Kim]

But drop some pins. Yes.

[Willow Lindley]

The thing about this industry is it's very adjacent, similar to high school. And I went to an all girls school, and I kept thinking to myself, why did I go to an all girls school? Like, what was my lesson in going to an all girls school? Because I really hated that. And now I realize it was to prep me for the all girls school. That is my life. Which is great. But I think that it's interesting navigating this industry because it's similar to high school in the sense that you feel like you need to be friends with all the people at your school and you need to sit with the cool girls at lunch. And I did that. I did that. I've dated people in the industry. I'm very private about my dating life after one situation that I had. So I learned a lot. But, you know, I don't think I'll ever do that again. Yeah, it's hard. You have to go to school with them again. And, you know, we change in front of each other, and that's really awkward when you're broken up with someone to see them naked and have them see you naked. So that's interesting. Yeah, this industry is very interesting, and.

[Irene Kim]

It definitely forces an issue.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah. And, you know, just the people from the outside have no idea. No, like, sometimes I'm just like, the comments that I get on TikTok and the things, I'm just like, you guys have no idea.

[Irene Kim]

Oh, I love.

[Willow Lindley]

And it's important to find someone who also travels a lot, I feel. Because it's really hard to be in a relationship when you're the only person leaving. Cause that's like a whole weird guilt thing. And like, you just need someone that's as busy as you if it's busier. And so I'm not the only one leaving or unable to.

[Irene Kim]

To participate.

[Willow Lindley]

To participate, which is really nice. And I think it's just all about. Yeah. Finding someone who has a similar life to you, but that isn't a model.

[Irene Kim]

Okay, good advice. Yeah, I like that. I mean, you're very introspective and very positive, which I really appreciate because I think as a model and as someone who works in fashion, it's a. I don't want to say it's a negative industry, but it is a small world. Right. And it is a bit of a cliquey girls school sometimes.

[Willow Lindley]

Very much.

[Irene Kim]

And not just the girls. But I think it's really important to keep such a positive attitude. And I appreciate your positive attitude. Is there anything that you do to keep that up? Because I'm sure not every day is some beams and roses.

[Willow Lindley]

No, it can be hard. You know, I think that a support system, a beautiful support system, a positive support system is so important. And I'm really blessed to have such a strong, beautiful group of amazing women around me. My mom raised me and it was so annoying growing up, like, think positively, think positively, think positively. And sometimes I was like, but, mom, it's not a good day. I don't want to. There's little things that I say to myself that I do. Rituals that I have to keep on track. And I think that, you know, rejection is hard for anyone in any industry. But I think it's all about perspective.

[Irene Kim]

In my career, I've always been a yes person, right? So if you say yes to doing things, you tend to learn new skills that you don't even know exist.

[Willow Lindley]

I'm a big yes person, and it gets me in trouble sometimes. Sometimes my agents are like, girl, why are you bold in the pumpy doo naked? You have an hour to get to the show.

[Irene Kim]

We gotta get that gold off.

[Willow Lindley]

It was a whole thing. Three people had to help me shower. I showered in the security corridors with my humpy doo. It was, like, intense. But you still made it. I need to write a book.

[Irene Kim]

No kidding.

[Willow Lindley]

Because I have done some weird stuff.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

And then I had to go to the doctor yesterday because turns out I'm like, allergic to whatever they put on me.

[Irene Kim]

The gold pain? Yes. Oh, no.

[Willow Lindley]

Apparently it's like really toxic and scary. Oh, my God.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

I mean, I used. I mean, I think they used one that was fine, but I don't know. Like, the wizard of Oz has some crazy stories about being painted gold, and I didn't really think about it in the moment. They also asked to paint me silver at the end of the shoot on.

[Irene Kim]

Top of the gold.

[Willow Lindley]

By that time it was 3am and it was the last day. That was like a couple days ago. Yeah. Anyways, Yeah, I do some crazy things.

[Unknown]

Would you ever have cameras follow you around?

[Willow Lindley]

You know, it would make for a great reality show, but I think it's not my path in this life for now at least. I think it's almost interesting that people don't really know my personality. And I like that people have so many ideas of me on the Internet, which we could go into for hours. And it's so. It's weird when people try to tell you who you are and it's scary because sometimes you can start believing it. Especially in a case that I've had for the past couple years that have a lot to do with my eyebrows.

[Irene Kim]

Really?

[Willow Lindley]

I love that you don't know.

[Irene Kim]

I have no idea. I'm so sorry. Irene knows.

[Willow Lindley]

She's nodding. Yeah, I see. Irene, everyone knows. And that has been. What was I talking about? I don't know. But that has been really hard for me, being told who I am and being told that I do things and Na, na, na. Because you can really start to believe these people and like, I don't know, I like to keep my personality and my heart private because people are so mean. But it's also almost like this fun little game. Like everyone thinks that I'm gonna be so horrible and like diva on set or like when they meet me and then people meet me and it's like I have this opportunity to change their mind about me because everything that they had in their head was like this false, made up, just like perspective of me that doesn't exist.

[Irene Kim]

Is that cause you're a model or because you grew up in an industry around reality tv?

[Willow Lindley]

That's. Cause I grew up in an industry around reality TV and people just want to not like me.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

You know, but like I said, I love a challenge.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah. I was gonna say, do you like a low expectation? Do you like just.

[Willow Lindley]

Yeah, because I was. It's funny. Cause I was talking to Guido the other day at the Gaultier show. I was showing him a video of me painted gold. Cause I was late, obviously, to the show, Right. Cause I was gold.

[Irene Kim]

Cause you were showing security quarters and.

[Willow Lindley]

I was showing Guido and everyone, like this video of me running through the Pompidou gold. I'll show you after. It's insane. And he was just like, you know, you really love a challenge, don't you? Like, you're the girl that loves a challenge and it's getting me in trouble, but at the same time, I love that.

[Irene Kim]

But you're particularly nice to work with.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Irene Kim]

And you should know that.

[Willow Lindley]

Well, thanks to my mom and my dad, they raised me really well and. But it's all about. It comes down to loving what you do.

[Irene Kim]

So here's to happiness going into fashion month.

[Willow Lindley]

Here's to happiness to happy month. You do.

[Irene Kim]

Yeah.

[Willow Lindley]

Yay.

[Amelia Gray]

The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Cariucki. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of global audio.

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