Behind Hailey Bieber’s Vogue Cover | PLUS The Best Films at Cannes So Far

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Summary of "Behind Hailey Bieber’s Vogue Cover | PLUS The Best Films at Cannes So Far"
The Run-Through with Vogue
Release Date: May 20, 2025

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1. Introduction to Hailey Bieber’s Vogue Cover

The episode opens with host Chloe Mal introducing the latest summer issue of Vogue, featuring Hailey Bieber as the cover star. Chloe is joined by Vogue’s deputy editor, Taylor Antrim, and British Vogue’s film and culture editor, Radhika Seth, alongside writer Alessandra Codena.

• Chloe Mal [00:36]: "Our new Vogue cover just dropped. It is the summer issue, and the COVID star is the OG Clean Girl, Hailey Bieber herself."
• Taylor Antrim [00:50]: "I love working with Alessandra, and it was super great to have her on the show to talk about this story."

2. Behind the Scenes of the Cover Story

Taylor Antrim delves into the collaborative process behind Hailey Bieber’s Vogue cover, highlighting the intricate backstory and the dynamic teamwork with Alessandra Codena.

• Taylor Antrim [00:50]: "There was a lot of backstory, a lot of, you know, medium levels of intrigue, I would say."
• Chloe Mal [00:50]: "I think Taylor's initial question to Alessandra was subject line, are you a Belieber?"

3. Cannes Film Festival Highlights

The conversation shifts to the Cannes Film Festival, where Radhika Seth provides live updates from the event. The team discusses notable films and trends emerging from the festival.

a. Notable Films at Cannes

• "Sound of Falling" by Masha Schlinsky

  • Alessandra Codena [03:42]: "I feel like the film that's screened so far and I feel like has might come closest to getting the Palm so far, is this film called Sound of Falling by Masha Schlinsky."
  • Taylor Antrim [04:13]: "I feel like it's all very poetic. It's sort of Robert Frost meaningless."

• Jennifer Lawrence’s Latest Film

  • Alessandra Codena [05:34]: "The reviews have been amazing, but I was less convinced by it."
  • Chloe Mal [05:34]: "As we keep saying, the moms are not okay in movies these days, are they?"

• "Eddington" by Ari Aster

  • Alessandra Codena [08:12]: "It's set in New Mexico in a fictional small town during May 2020. Joaquin Phoenix is a small town sheriff who does not believe in face masks..."

• "Splitsville" by Dakota Johnson

  • Alessandra Codena [09:58]: "It's a four. It's like two different couples who are friends and this sort of love square unfolds within them, and it's really, really fun."

• Richard Linklater’s "Nouvelle Vague"

  • Alessandra Codena [10:27]: "It's about the making of Breathless, the Jean Luc Godard film. If you love the French New Wave, you'll really enjoy it."

• Spike Lee’s "Highest to Lowest"

  • Alessandra Codena [11:23]: "It's his reunion with Denzel Washington, and Denzel's first time at Cannes."

b. Film Recommendations

The hosts provide personal recommendations and share excitement for upcoming premieres:

• Alessandra Codena [12:06]: "I'm going to the premiere of Highest to Lowest and straight into Alpha by Julie Ducourneau afterwards."
• Taylor Antrim [12:12]: "We should have talked to you tomorrow. I want to find out all about those movies."

4. Fashion Highlights from Cannes

The team shifts focus to the fashion on the red carpet at Cannes, highlighting standout looks and celebrating individual styles.

a. Favorite Red Carpet Moments

• Irina Shayk’s Yves Saint Laurent Vintage Dress

• Amal Clooney’s Dior by Galliano Taffeta Number

• Rooney Mara’s 1956 Givenchy Couture Dress

  • Chloe Mal [13:45]: "Natalie Portman did it last year with the Junon dress by Dior. She did another recreation of a 1950s Dior haute couture dress."

b. Queens of Cannes

The hosts nominate their "Queen of Cannes," celebrating consistent style icons:

• Jeremy [15:21]: "He never misses. He looks so comfortable."
• Alexander Skarsgard [15:48]: "He has been styled by Harry Lambert in the most amazing wackadoodle looks. I really respect and embrace him for dressing like this."

c. Notable Style Highlights

• Kristen Stewart’s Chanel Looks
  • Alessandra Codena [14:05]: "She was wearing like a little Chanel suit, but it was sort of unbuttoned with shorts and transparency."
• Isabelle Huppert’s Balenciaga Denim Dress
  • Alessandra Codena [14:51]: "She was wearing a very bright, highlighter yellow fringe dress on the red carpet."

5. In-Depth Interview: Alessandra Codena on Hailey Bieber

A significant portion of the episode features an in-depth interview with Alessandra Codena, focusing on Hailey Bieber’s personal and public life, her Vogue cover story, and the challenges Hailey faces in the spotlight.

a. Alessandra’s Relationship with Hailey Bieber

Alessandra shares her initial perceptions and evolving understanding of Hailey Bieber, transitioning from a tabloid subject to a respected individual with personal struggles.

• Alessandra Codena [19:46]: "I was really curious about that too. And I talked to her about that too because I was kind of like, what's the deal with the food stuff?"

b. Challenges of the Cover Story

The discussion touches on the difficulties of portraying Hailey authentically amidst public scrutiny and negative online narratives.

• Radhika Seth [23:00]: "She's more public than he is now, so she's less able to do that than he can."

c. Hailey’s Personal Struggles and Resilience

Alessandra provides insight into Hailey’s health challenges, including a mini-stroke and postpartum depression, highlighting her openness and resilience.

• Radhika Seth [24:18]: "She really has not had an easy run of it in terms of medical stuff either. Like, she's had a really scary, very medical thing."

d. Hailey’s RHODE Brand and Influence

The conversation delves into Hailey’s beauty brand, RHODE, and its impact on her relationship with Justin Bieber and her public image.

• Chloe Mal [36:25]: "The roadification of young American women."

e. Video Content Featuring Hailey Bieber

The hosts discuss a satirical video created by Hailey for Vogue, which parodies the typical "What's in my bag?" format.

• Radhika Seth [38:01]: "She unpacks like 500 RHODE lip tints and then, like, 25 cell phones, which she's like, these are what I use to, like, comment and scheme."

6. Trend Forecasting and eBay Insights

The episode concludes with insights into current fashion trends, emphasizing the resurgence of 80s opulence and the role of vintage finds in modern trend forecasting.

• Radhika Seth [42:01]: "They have like very opulent, 80s style."

7. Closing Remarks

The hosts wrap up the episode by expressing excitement for Alessandra’s upcoming story and the continued coverage of both fashion and film at Cannes.

• Chloe Mal [45:02]: "Alessandra, we are so excited to have you on the show. I loved reading this article because...I was very happy to have the record set straight."

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This episode offers a multifaceted exploration of Hailey Bieber’s prominent role in Vogue’s latest issue, an extensive review of standout films at Cannes, vivid descriptions of Cannes’ red carpet fashion, and a candid interview shedding light on Hailey Bieber’s personal journey and professional endeavors. The blend of film critique, fashion analysis, and personal storytelling provides listeners with a comprehensive look into the intersecting worlds of celebrity, media, and style.

Notable Quotes:

• Taylor Antrim [00:50]: "There was a lot of backstory, a lot of, you know, medium levels of intrigue."
• Alessandra Codena [05:34]: "It's very dramatic, it's very beautiful. But I don't know if there was a lot of substance there for the film."
• Radhika Seth [23:00]: "She's more public than he is now, so she's less able to do that than he can."
• Radhika Seth [38:01]: "She unpacks like 500 RHODE lip tints and then, like, 25 cell phones..."

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This summary captures the essence of the podcast episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and memorable quotes to provide a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened.

Transcript

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

This episode of the Run through is brought to you by ebay. I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. Everyone's talking about tassels right now, and that's the moment that I end up typing it into ebay. I found the perfect vintage triple chain belt with golden tassels, and it just looks so elegant, timeless. And it's on the way in the mail to me, thanks to ebay.

[Chloe Mal]

This is the Run Through. I'm Chloe Mal, and I am here with Vogue's deputy editor, Taylor Antrim.

[Taylor Antrim]

Hi, everyone.

[Chloe Mal]

And our new Vogue cover just dropped. It is the summer issue, and the COVID star is the OG Clean Girl, Hailey Bieber herself. And, Taylor, you worked on this cover with writer and Vogue contributor Alessandra Codena.

[Taylor Antrim]

I sure did. I love working with Alessandra, and it was super great to have her on the show to talk about this story. There was a lot of backstory, a lot of, you know, medium levels of intrigue, I would say. I like diving into our text thread and sort of recreating how we got to this cover story.

[Chloe Mal]

So I think Taylor's initial question to Alessandra was subject line, are you a Belieber?

[Taylor Antrim]

To which the response was, I am not.

[Chloe Mal]

I could be. Anyway, um. And now we have British Vogue's film and culture editor, Radhika Seth, reporting straight live from the Cannes Film Festival. It looks like, Radhika, you're actually on the quas right now. Can you set the scene? We're looking at Radhika with a backdrop of very French Riviera, Moneguesque vibe, rounded.

[Taylor Antrim]

Buildings, balconies, some blue sky. Yes, give it to us. We're all full of canned fever here in New York.

[Radhika Seth]

Yes.

[Alessandra Codena]

I'm actually on the Croisette, so I'm just inside the Palais de Festival, and there's a really great press room here with a little terrace, and it actually looks straight onto the red carpet. She likes. I know.

[Taylor Antrim]

Press room with a terrace. I've never heard of such a thing.

[Chloe Mal]

They don't have that at Sundance.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, right.

[Alessandra Codena]

This is France, so you got to give people places to smoke, basically.

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, good call.

[Alessandra Codena]

You know, so I'm the only person, I think, not smoking out here, but that's okay for now. Um, it's really great to work here, actually, because you can see everything happening on the red carpet, and it, like, gets very frenzied when you have, like, Jennifer Lawrence coming down here. So it's a good. It's a good spot to be in.

[Chloe Mal]

So for Those of you who might not know what an average day at the Cannes Film Festival looks like. Radhigh, can you give us a run of show? Like, what. What's your daily?

[Taylor Antrim]

How much you pack into a day at a film festival is of great interest to. To me, at least to you.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, yeah, to one person.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, I feel like it's like a balance that you have to hit. Like, you can definitely see like as many films as possible. I. I think it's probably possible to see like four or five and keep your sanity, but I think I'm also writing reviews and like the occasional dinner or event. And then I think maybe like, three is quite realistic. But I think after like a day with four, I'm pretty exhausted. Yeah. So, yeah, every day starts at like 7am because there's a booking system here in Cannes that's really tricky. So you have to sort of wake up at 7 and immediately jump on and book your screenings for the kind of days to come.

[Radhika Seth]

Oh, wow.

[Chloe Mal]

It sounds like children's summer camps in New York City.

[Alessandra Codena]

It's so. Chloe, it's so competitive. It's literally like you have to be up exactly at seven and booking straight away. And within like one or two minutes, the slots are completely full.

[Chloe Mal]

Yeah, that sounds like booking on the Upper west side for kids camp. Refresh, refresh, refresh.

[Taylor Antrim]

So let's just get to it. What have you seen? Because given all that competition, there have been these, like, big, you know, showy sort of debuts already that everyone is talking about.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, loads of great stuff already. I feel like the film that's screened so far and I feel like is has might come closest to getting the Palm so far, is this film called Sound of Falling by Masha Schlinsky, which I feel like you've definitely heard about Taylor and haven't you?

[Taylor Antrim]

I'm nodding my head.

[Chloe Mal]

We were actually talking about it in our editorial meeting this morning and we were sort of laughing that some of the names of the films from Cannes, like the Chronology of Water and the Sound of Falling Sound, like you said, make chic sounding movie title into ChatGPT history.

[Alessandra Codena]

History of Sound as well.

[Taylor Antrim]

I feel like it's all very poetic. It's sort of Robert Frost meaningless. All right, so tell us about this one, because the reviews were rapturous.

[Alessandra Codena]

They were really, really rapturous. It's a really mysterious, strange kind of film. Really beautiful. So it's sort of set. It's by a German filmmaker set in Germany, and it's sort of about four women and sort of Spread across time and it moves back and forth in time, but it's set in one house and it's almost kind of like a haunted house movie. But it's sort of like these women going through their lives and you kind of get a sense of the history of the periods that they're in and how their lives sort of mysteriously kind of overlap, which you kind of get a better sense of as you go on in the really quite haunting and moving and very strange. It's one of those films where I kind of came out of it and it took me like a day or.

[Radhika Seth]

Two to process it.

[Alessandra Codena]

And now I was like, oh, okay, so she's connected to her in that way, I think so. It's a great one to have lots of conversations about here because I think everyone's trying to work out, like, what did it mean? It's a really, really interesting one and I feel like it will be great to see that come out. And it definitely could be kind of a stealthy awards contender down the line, I think. Potentially.

[Taylor Antrim]

Cool.

[Radhika Seth]

Okay.

[Chloe Mal]

I like a house based film. It's like to the Lighthouse.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, we love a breakout German film at Cannes. All right, all right, tell us more. What else have you seen? Have you seen the Jennifer Lawrence movie?

[Chloe Mal]

I have, yeah. That's been getting a lot of.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, my gosh. All right, tell us. It sounds like, you know, as we keep saying, the moms are not okay in movies these days, are they?

[Chloe Mal]

Nor in life, frankly.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alessandra Codena]

It's fun that you say that because I actually. The reviews have been amazing, but I was less convinced by it. But I thought it was almost kind of like night pictures. If you guys both saw it in the sense it was very much like a mother's unraveling, but it's a lot of like shouting and screaming. It's very entertaining. But afterwards I was a bit, like, unsure of what exactly they were fighting about. It's very dramatic, it's very beautiful. But I don't know if there was a lot of substance there for the film.

[Taylor Antrim]

We're talking about Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson, right?

[Alessandra Codena]

That's right, the two of them. And they are both great in this film. And it's Lynne Ramsey. So you know that it's gonna look really amazing. And the images are sort of very dazzling. It's a pair of New Yorkers who move to the countryside and they start this new life together, have a baby, and then they kind of begin growing apart and everything sort of unravels from there. And the character played by Jennifer Lawrence goes through this sort of period of postpartum depression and psychosis, and, yeah, it really kind of goes sort of off the rails from that point in kind of epic style. But it's. I think it's been really rapturously reviewed, but I have some questions about it, and I'm very interested to see what people actually make of it when it comes out because there's definitely, like, a strong Oscar campaign there as well for Jennifer, I think, because it's also been. It's been like 12 years. Can you believe that? Since she won.

[Taylor Antrim]

Did you see the sud dance movie? If I had legs, I'd kick you. It's not out yet.

[Alessandra Codena]

No, I really want to see it.

[Taylor Antrim]

Okay. Because that's another good. Right, Mother. Off the rails, right? Yes. And it's Rose Byrne doing this. And I made Anna see this movie because I was quite excited about it. And she looked at me in a meeting and she was like, what on earth did you just make me watch? She shamed me for this. But I stand by it. I think by headlights I kick you and die, my love. I mean, yeah, we've got a lot of deranged mothers to look forward to this fall.

[Chloe Mal]

And I'm excited. I feel like just seen from the video and photos I saw of Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson on the red carpet that they have nice chemistry and.

[Alessandra Codena]

They have great chemistry in the film as well. It's a lot raunchier than I expected actually, as well.

[Taylor Antrim]

All right, all right, all right. There's always a little bit of that at Cannes. You know.

[Alessandra Codena]

There is. It's true.

[Taylor Antrim]

But wait, I wanna ask you about another much discussed film, Eddington, which maybe you saw. Yes, I have seen it.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yes.

[Taylor Antrim]

Quick intake of breath. Okay, tell us about Eddington. Ari Aster's film following the very strange Beau is Afraid movie with Joaquin Phoenix. And this one also stars Joaquin, right?

[Alessandra Codena]

It does. If Beau is afraid. Tried your patience. I feel like this will as well. I feel like it's definitely that, like, odder Ariasta. It's not really in the vibe of like, a midsommar or a hereditary, which I think they're both such, like, fun films. This, I think, is trying to be fun, but is maybe a little bit misguided. So it's Joaquin Phoenix, incredible cast. So Joaquin Phoenix, Pedro Pascal, Emma Stone, Austin Butler. So lots of talent in there, for sure. But basically it's set in New Mexico in, like, a fictional small town during May 2020. So, like, in the middle of the pandemic. And Essentially, Joaquin Phoenix is a local, like, small town sheriff, and he does not believe in face masks and. Yes. And then basically runs against Pedro Pascal, who is the mayor of this small town, on, like, the basis of giving people back their sort of rights in the time of the pandemic, basically. So essentially, it's sort of like everything that you don't really want to relive right now in terms of pandemic restrictions and all cultural references from that period.

[Chloe Mal]

I mean, I'll do anything Pedro tells me to. So.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, you'll watch it, Chloe, you'll be there.

[Taylor Antrim]

She loves herself some Peter Pascal.

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, my God, he's so handsome in his little muscle tee. And he's.

[Alessandra Codena]

Didn't he look so good? Was it?

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah.

[Alessandra Codena]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe Mal]

At the photo call, he inspired Christian to write a piece on how this is kicking off Hunk summer at Cannes. You also. You saw Splitsville, which is the new Dakota Johnson comedy. Was that fun? Like, I want to know what movies I'm going to be excited to see.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, that was so much fun, actually. I really enjoyed it. It's like, it's a rare and can I think to get, like, a lovely, like, frothy comedy. And that's what that film is. And with all this quite, like, serious fare, you kind of need something like that. And it's sort of like a four. It's like two different couples who are friends and this sort of like, love square that kind of unfolds within them, and it's really, really fun.

[Taylor Antrim]

And.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, that's definitely one to look out for. Fleury. I'd recommend it.

[Chloe Mal]

Okay. What about the new Richard Linklater?

[Radhika Seth]

Yes.

[Alessandra Codena]

Oh, my God. Nouvelle Vague. So all the New wave. It's about the making of Breathless, the Jean Luc Godard film.

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, fun.

[Alessandra Codena]

I know. So it's like, if you guys are, like, French film, like, New Wave fans, I feel like you'll really enjoy it. It's basically like all of the players of that period present in this film and in the making of this film, which is actually still one of my favorite films of all time. So I feel like if you don't know what Breathless is, then it won't make any sense. But if you love the French New Wave, I feel like you'll really, really enjoy it. It's sort of like very like a light comedy drama about all the fun details that sort of went into making that film because it really was, like, made on the fly, kind of in secret. A film without permits in Paris. It's a really great Story.

[Taylor Antrim]

Wow, that's fun. Link Letter's on a good role, actually. He's making very pleasurable movies these days, so I can't wait to see that one. So what are you seeing tonight or today or what's on the docket for you?

[Alessandra Codena]

Yes. So I'm going to leave you guys and head off to the premiere of Highest to Lowest, which is the new Spike Lee film.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, great.

[Alessandra Codena]

So very excited about that. I think it's also, it's his reunion with Denzel Washington, but I think it's also Denzel's first time at Cannes, which is crazy.

[Taylor Antrim]

Jeffrey R. Wild. He's been everywhere, straight from Broadway to Cannes.

[Alessandra Codena]

Oh my gosh.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, that'll be fun. And are you seeing Alpha? I'm very curious about Alpha by Julie Ducourneau, whose last movie, Titane, won Cannes. That was several years ago now, but I feel like your dark side might come into play with this one. What do you think?

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah, I love Titan. I love Raw. So I'm very excited for Alpha as well. And yeah, it's a double bill for me tonight. It's a Highest to Lowest and straight into Alpha afterwards.

[Taylor Antrim]

Ooh, double espresso for you.

[Alessandra Codena]

I know I'll finish at like 1am but it'll be worth it.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah. Well, good. Well, we should have talked to you tomorrow. I want to, I want to find out all about those movies. But you can, you can update me on the slack.

[Chloe Mal]

Yeah, we can do a late breaking update.

[Taylor Antrim]

I have seen History of Sound which you have. Yes. History of Sound is the Josh o' Connor and Paul Mescal film which is premiering at Cannes in a few days. And we, I, I was invited to an early New York screening.

[Alessandra Codena]

Can't wait to see it. That's my last film before I leave actually. So really excited.

[Chloe Mal]

Okay, Riddhika, what have you thought about the fashion? Because I feel like Emily Chan on British Folks Team did a great roundup of the vintage looks and there were some really fun, glamorous vintage moments that can always feels like a great moment for a 50s or 60s haute glamour revival. And Natalie Portman did it last year with the Junon dress by Dior. She did another recreation of a 1950s Dior haute couture dress. Irina Shayk wore an amazing Yves Saint Laurent vintage dress. Amal Clooney, who was there for the premiere of the Bono documentary Stories of Surrender. She very rarely makes red carpet appearances, but she was in a Dior by Galliano black taffeta number that did have a train Sort of mermaid esque. Rooney Mara wore a very elegant 1956 Givenchy Couture white strapless dress with a very pretty sort of mini train on the back that I thought was really elegant. What were some other favorite moments you had, Radhika?

[Alessandra Codena]

I actually really liked Kristen Stewart as well. And I don't feel like we talked about her before because also she's making her directorial debut with the Chronology of Water, which I think we mentioned, didn't we?

[Taylor Antrim]

We made fun of the title unfairly. But yes, that movie's getting a lot of love and I'm excited to see the new era of Kristen Stewart, the director. So, yeah, tell us about her look.

[Alessandra Codena]

It's really, really well directed. But also, yeah, I think she was in a lot of Chanel, but I think she kind of like played with the dress code in a way that I thought was really fun. Like for the photo call, I think she was wearing like a little Chanel suit, but it was sort of unbuttoned with shorts but with this like transparency over it. So it was a short suit but.

[Chloe Mal]

With like a tie but not really a shirt. And then she also wore a pale lavender Chanel skirt suit with matching pink hair, which was very exciting.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yes. I love the dip dye hair.

[Chloe Mal]

Yeah. My best dressed husband, Juliette Binoch, who's on the jury. And she has just looked fabulous and very French and going in all different directions. She's making statements, she's looking discreet. She's sort of really matching her mood to her outfit.

[Alessandra Codena]

Can I also shout out Isabelle Upert who is like my queen of Cannes forever, but I feel like she's in a lot of Balenciaga. She was wearing like double denim for the photo call and I just felt like she looks. She's so cool. Like, I just can't get over how cool she is. She's got a film here as well, but yeah, even if she doesn't, she comes. I feel like she comes all the time and she always just looks amazing. She was wearing like a very bright, like highlighter yellow, like kind of fringe dress on the red carpet and I just thought, yeah, like, do it, go for it. It's so good.

[Chloe Mal]

Let's name each of our Queen of Cannes. Taylor, who's your Queen of Cannes?

[Taylor Antrim]

Jeremy. Strong.

[Radhika Seth]

Good one.

[Chloe Mal]

Yes.

[Taylor Antrim]

That guy. He never misses. He looks so comfortable. It's always the same sh.

[Chloe Mal]

We're doing a piece on Jeremy's hats. Yeah, yeah, Chapeau.

[Taylor Antrim]

I'm into his sneakers because he's wearing.

[Alessandra Codena]

Like matching his bucket hats to his Suits here while he's on the jury, I think, which has been great.

[Chloe Mal]

My queen of Cannes is actually Alexander Skarsgard.

[Radhika Seth]

Okay.

[Chloe Mal]

He has been styled by Harry Lambert in the most amazing wackadoodle looks. I really respect and embrace him for dressing like this. He wore thigh high Saint Laurent fetish boots, basically to the Phoenician Scheme premiere, which also I feel like that has a lot of bods around it in the way that most Wes Anderson movies do.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's opening really soon here in the States. At least.

[Chloe Mal]

I'm going to the premiere next week.

[Taylor Antrim]

Very exciting.

[Alessandra Codena]

Yeah. Cause you were saying that's, like, in competition, but it's also one of those kind of more blockbuster y ones, isn't it? Just because it always has that, like, incredible cast. And Mia 3 person is really good, isn't it? She's Kate Winslet's daughter, and she's sort of the second lead after Benisa del Toro. And I actually just interviewed her like an hour ago. Oh, she's brilliant. Yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

Did you see the Harris Dickinson movie? The Harris Dickinson directed movie?

[Alessandra Codena]

Yes, I did. I actually think it's so great. I feel like there's a lot of skepticism and I understand it, but there is about actors making their directorial debuts, and there's like three big ones this year. You've got Scarlett Johansson, Harris Dickinson, and Kristen Stewart who we spoke about. But Urchin is actually my favorite of. I mean, I've not seen the Scarlet one yet, but Urchin I thought was great. It's so, so good. It's really like any is clearly like a big cinephile, and you can tell that he's obviously worked with these amazing art house directors already. And you can kind of see that the influence of all of those things in Urchin in a really beautiful way. I thought so. It's filmed on the streets of London in quite a fly on the wall kind of way, which is really cool. But also there are these weird kind of surreal moments and shots. And I was like, oh, yeah. Of course you've worked with Eliza Hitman and Ruben Osland, so it makes sense that you have this style. And I was really, really impressed, actually.

[Taylor Antrim]

It's really Harris Dickinson, friend of the pod.

[Chloe Mal]

Ugh.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mal]

Friend of the pod.

[Radhika Seth]

Beloved of the pod.

[Chloe Mal]

Radhika, thank you so much. Have a wonderful rest of your screenings today and courage and have a great rest of your trip.

[Alessandra Codena]

Merci pecour.

[Taylor Antrim]

Fun talking to you.

[Alessandra Codena]

Thank you so much.

[Chloe Mal]

Bye.

[Taylor Antrim]

Bye.

[Alessandra Codena]

Bye.

[Chloe Mal]

The run through will be back with our conversation With Alessandro Codina. Stay tuned.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

The other day I like went on a real ebay spree. There's this huge push for like 80s opulence and 80s sort of glamour, and we're going to see that returning. And so I was already kind of tapped into that just from my gorgeous ebay watch list. And I found a really beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s and a really great Miu Miu kilt bees, great Dior boots. And I'm combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting doesn't require something that's gonna be like, produced in the future. Sometimes you can like tap into the past and tap into the archive as well. That's what makes ebay a fun place to actually discover things, because you're not going in with something so specific in mind, but you have an idea of what you're interested in or what you're excited about or, you know, just truly trend forecasting. And one thing that I would say people should be watching out for is like very opulent, 80s style.

[Chloe Mal]

Alessandra, we are so excited to have you on the show. And I loved reading this article because, like, the best of us, I am susceptible to going down a Haley Justin Daily Mail rabbit hole. And I was very happy to have the record set straight on many things, many conspiracy theor. Um, I want to know what your relationship to Haley was like before this story. Were you a fan? Do you use road? Are you a Belieber?

[Taylor Antrim]

I think that was my first question to you, actually, Alyssa.

[Radhika Seth]

I think it was.

[Taylor Antrim]

I was like. I think the subject line was, are you a Belieber?

[Radhika Seth]

Or like, do you believe? Well, thank you guys for having me. This is so fun. I obviously grew up with Justin Bieber, I think in the way I'm a little bit older than them, but I knew who he was. I knew the music. Like, I can definitely sing all the songs. Probably, like, those were definitely part of my youth. And then with Haley, it was really more like I took in a lot of the writing about her. I think as a lot of people have, like, she became a sort of tabloid fixation for people. And I'd read these very funny, often not terribly kind pieces about her. Like, there was a really wonderful story which was about Justin Bieber and they mention Hailey in it, and she's this sort of like non playable character. Like she's basically sitting in his bedroom waiting for him to come back and he like doesn't really acknowledge her and it's not a very flattering like this. And that was kind of my impression of her. And then I saw Rhode and really saw this thing take off in such a way where even before I was assigned this story, I actually interacted with people in line for the Pop up at Road.

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Radhika Seth]

In la. Because I was like, what are you all waiting for? And why do you all have the same, like slicked hair? What's happening? And it was real. Like it's a real thing and the products are good and people really love them. And that's not always true of these sort of celebrity faced endeavors, I think, as we know. So I had a lot of respect for her for building this thing, but I didn't actually know a lot about her.

[Taylor Antrim]

And here's what I knew because I've been at Vogue forever. And I edited the 2019 cover story of Hailey Bieber, which was sort of. I mean, you can look it up. It was a picture that raced around the Internet back then. It was Hailey and Justin together photographed by Annie Leibovitz in la. And it was right after, you know, their live sort of relationship had begun. And that story was kind of a surprise when it came in because sometimes when we have a model on the COVID one never knows exactly where the interview is going to go. And this story came in, it was written by Rob Haskell, who's a contributor to the magazine. And it was like incredibly revealing. And Justin was all over it and they were talking about their sex life. And I remember I just kind of like brought it into Anna's office and was sort of like, I think our work here is done. We just need to like put this out into the world. So there was that story in my head that actually, you know, an interview with them, with her, can yield, like, incredibly personal material. And I did have a little clue that something might be afoot this time because in the course of lining up these cover stories, you have a lot of back and forth with the publicists, as everyone listening to this can imagine. And one of the things the publicist told me early on was that Hayley, now that she's had a baby, was part of the sort of peg of this is Hailey, as a mom, really wants to talk to a female writer.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, I mean, I was really moved actually by like how open she wanted to be, how much she wanted to share, especially around, you know, the story of actually, like the birth. I think it's important that women especially talk about this stuff. And I think she thinks that too. And we talked a lot about, you know, what you go in knowing and what you don't Know and what you wish you knew and, like, what you can't even really know until it happens. And, like, you can prepare and prepare and prepare. Like, she did. And she really details, you know, all the training she did. Like, she really. This girl loves to be prepared. Like, she likes a routine. She likes to have the best trainer. She likes to, like, you know, she was doing pelvic floor stuff from the beginning. Like, it's all. It's all like, she was ready. And even then, like, shit happens. And she has not had an easy run of it in terms of medical stuff either. Like, she's had really scary, very medical thing. She had a mini stroke, like, three years ago, which for someone in their early 20s, is very alarming and scary. And, I mean, all of these things, I think, contributed to her wanting to really share that part of it. I really commend her for that. And I also like that she's open about it. She's not doing the whole, like, yeah, I had a baby and the weight fell off, and now I look great in a bikini. You know, she's like. She's working. Like, she works hard. She thinks about it, I have to.

[Taylor Antrim]

Say, like, the delivery story, it was like this incredible monologue. And as an editor, you're thinking like, well, actually, I can't touch any of.

[Radhika Seth]

This because this is like sitting at breakfast. And it was a monologue. And I was like, I'm just taking. Like, I'm not gonna interrupt, you know, you're like, give it to me. Like, what happened next? Cause you are like, it's really like, and then what?

[Chloe Mal]

But I do feel like people love to tell their birth stories because even if it's the smoothest delivery, it's always an ordeal. And I feel like people are thrilled, even the most famous people, to just let people know what they went through. Gigi Hadid was the same way. It's like she wants to talk about every detail of her home birth. Will you just give a little. Little background for those of us who haven't read the story yet? I mean, I have. But for others who haven't, of what happened to her for the birth. Like, what was it that was sort of the medical complication because it was quite dramatic.

[Radhika Seth]

Basically, she had done all this prep. She was super ready, you know, like, feeling physically fit, ready to go. And spontaneous labor did not happen. She began leaking amniotic fluid, which is scary. They had to induce, which they did with Pitocin and a Foley balloon, which sounds. Is medieval, but I'm sure it's very advanced. I mean, she has incredible doctors, but like, all of this stuff, anything in, like, women's health, you're always a little bit terrified. And then the baby, it was like, I think it was under 24 hours. They said it would be 24, and I think it was like 18. And then after Jack Blues was born, which I think was hard, but, you know, normal, she started bleeding and basically didn't stop, which is really scary and happens in, like a small percentage of childbirth. And it's terrifying, you know, like, you're. They take the baby away from you basically, and they're like, we gotta stop the bleeding. We're gonna try this, we're gonna try this. And you're. I mean, even in the best case scenario, I think in the medical world, it's very unsettling to be a patient because you sort of. You. You don't feel like a person anymore. Like, you're just kind of a problem and like your personhood is no longer like. You're just kind of like, what's happening. Which I think to somebody who had lost the ability to speak briefly, like, three years ago during that mini stroke, brought up a lot of those feelings, which was really unsettling and hard. And they used. It's like a Jada device, I think is what it's called. And it's sort of like a clamp that works on the uterus and gets it to contract and gets you to stop bleeding. And it worked. So that's amazing. And like, all in all, happy story. But she was really like, chill. And I mean, she's telling me all this stuff and I'm sort of sitting there being like my own uterus is clenching, like, oh, my God. And then, you know, eating this French toast, being like, yeah. And then. But, you know, I was fine.

[Taylor Antrim]

And you're like, oh, wait, wait, pause for a second. You have to tell the world what her breakfast order was.

[Chloe Mal]

I. I actually don't really believe this.

[Taylor Antrim]

Nor do I. I.

[Radhika Seth]

That's why I included it.

[Taylor Antrim]

Crack fact checkers. But I was kind of like, let's just soft check this. Because it's too good. It's too good. We have to keep it in when she came in.

[Radhika Seth]

So it's this very cute diner and that they go to all the time. We're in, like, the back corner booth. It's very like New York vibe in la, which is pretty hilarious, as you can imagine. And then she's like, they have this incredible thing. You're not going to believe it. And I was like, Eggs, like, what is it? And she orders the cinnamon roll French toast. And I'm like, okay, it's going to be French toast with cinnamon on it. It is a cinnamon roll that is this big.

[Chloe Mal]

No.

[Radhika Seth]

That has been sliced up.

[Chloe Mal]

Just Alessandra is holding up her hands in the size of. Oh, yeah, Like a basketball.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, basketball. Small pumpkin.

[Radhika Seth]

I mean. Yeah, in between, I'd say. But it's a big old cinnamon roll that's been halved laterally and then battered and griddled and it arrives. And she also then ordered, like, eggs. And I was just kind of like.

[Taylor Antrim]

And a side of bacon, I believe.

[Chloe Mal]

A side of bacon, extra crispy.

[Radhika Seth]

Yes. Oh, yeah. I was like, you go, girl.

[Taylor Antrim]

We love a hearty breakfast.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah. In, like, a midriff bearing top. Hell, yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

Hell, yeah. Okay, so there was the context of the birth, but there's also this thing that you alluded to, Alessandra, that actually was sort of popping off in the office as this interview is being lined up, that a lot of the younger colleagues, very online younger colleagues that we work with were like, oh, my God, did you see the latest TikTok deep dive into Hailey? And I remember texting you, being like, honestly, I don't really want to go down this road on TikTok for 15 minutes watching this, but, Alison, are you better for your own journalistic purposes? But my question is, how did you approach. I mean, this is also another personal subject for her. How did you approach talking to Haley about her, for lack of a better word, dissenters online?

[Radhika Seth]

This is my least favorite part of this job, which I do very much love, which is coming to somebody that often you, like, respect and are very interested in and be like, so this shitty thing. What do you think?

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, right.

[Radhika Seth]

This really uncomfortable thing. Like, tell me about that. Tell me about the most embarrassing, awful thing in your life with this. It's a very particular situation, which is she has pretty much her entire time in the spotlight, which is coming as like, a young teenager, had, like, a very loud base of. I guess dissenters would be the word. Just like people who are kind of obsessed with hating her, which is not. Not terribly unusual, I think, for a famous person, but especially a famous woman. But with her, it's like, now part of the Persona in this really interesting way where, like, you kind of can't avoid it, because it is like, every headline, right? Like, every tabloid headline is picking apart their marriage, because that's what people click on. So when she came in, like, literally the headlines that day were like, their marriage is Tattered. They're moving to Europe. Yeah, Justin's a mess. Like they hate each other. She's in Paris by herself. You know, God forbid a woman go to Paris by herself for a fashion show. And then this video which had been circulating, which interestingly was not even a new video, it had just been like repackaged I think for TikTok. Like it had been on YouTube for years and is I believe has been debunked now like several times. But it is a sort of like AI assisted video which has inserted her in all these concerts of Justin's and basically made comparisons between her and his girlfriend at that time who was Selena Gomez. And it's just like a deeply unflattering, pretty cruel, screw brained, you know, candy for somebody who doesn't like this person. So it's just like fodder for that. It's a hard thing to talk about, but she's obviously thinking about it, you know, she's aware of it. So she came in and we were talking and she just. In Paris and I was, was like, are you moving to Paris? Because I just read that she was like, no, that's one of the million things about me that you'll read that's not true. You know, a hard thing about living in these very extraordinary circumstances for her is it's very present for her all this stuff. Like she doesn't want it to be. And I think she's done a very good job of existing away from it and like not letting it rule her life. But I do think it's unfortunately something that you have to be aware of when you're her and you are online and you are like creating all these trends with road that are like very online. Like she can't just put her phone away and pretend it's not happening. So we talked about it a lot, like it came up a lot.

[Chloe Mal]

I really respected her admission to that. It drives me nuts when people are like, I just don't read the comments. I just don't look. I just block it all out. I do not believe that. And I'm sure she does try to block it out to a certain extent. But I mean everyone's human and one has to imagine that that does take up some space in her mind. And so I think that you did a really good job of sort of mining that.

[Radhika Seth]

Justin, I think has been a really big help for her with that is. That's something she said to me too, where he's like, I've literally lived like this for a really long Time, like, don't struggle against this wave. You'll drown. Basically. Like, you just gotta kind of tune it out. She is more public than he is now, so she's less able to do that than he can. I think parenthood for her or being a mother has really helped, from what I understand, from what she told me, because she's like, your priorities just change so much. Like, suddenly some faceless person on the Internet saying they hate your guts, and you look like Vladimir Putin. Doesn't matter because you're like raising a baby who you care about, who needs you to survive, and that's what matters. And I think that's been really beautiful and transformative for her. And I was really happy to hear that. Just for her, like, as a human being, spending time with her, because, you know, otherwise, I think it's a really hard life.

[Taylor Antrim]

And you alluded to this, Alessandra. But we did get Justin on the record for this story somewhat. It was a little bit. There were some hoops to jump through, shall we say.

[Chloe Mal]

Well, I had my side of the story, which was that I had nothing to do with this story. But Ignacio Murillo, our intrepid model booker, flew past me in the hallway way waving his phone and goes, I got you, Justin quotes. I got you, Justin.

[Radhika Seth]

I mean, one of the best quotes, I think ever about a spouse from Justin, where I was like, this is. I literally read it out loud to my partner to be like, this is the best thing. Like, I hope you would say this about me. Like, this is like the best thing you could ever say. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life, but the best choice I ever made was marrying Haley. Like, that's amazing. And I was just like, put it.

[Chloe Mal]

On a pillow, Justin.

[Radhika Seth]

Truly, I was like, get that tattoo. That's good.

[Taylor Antrim]

We love Justin.

[Chloe Mal]

What are some other bon mot he gave you?

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, he said something about how he's walking in the light. Remember that one? That one's good. Yeah.

[Radhika Seth]

Which I think is nice too. I mean, I think. I think they're both people who really care about and prize family. And so the fact that they're building their family together is like this really beautiful step for them.

[Taylor Antrim]

We were not promised that you were gonna get to speak face to face with Justin. Nevertheless, why don't you tell us what happened on your second hang with Hailey? Cause you had a close call with Mr. Bieber.

[Radhika Seth]

Yes, well, so fun fact. I live in Los Angeles in a one car household. Oh, hold your applause. We are doing our best for the planet. And on this particular day, I did not have the. So I had lovely Mrs. Bieber chaperoning me around in her lovely car, which was nice. And I'm, you know, it was a nice chatty in the car, I think.

[Taylor Antrim]

Smart play, actually. Smart play, yeah.

[Radhika Seth]

Well, and then I could trade secret.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, exactly.

[Radhika Seth]

Be like, sorry, you gotta drive me. And then I couldn't get an Uber from inside their amazing gated community. And so she was like, I gotta take you to the WI Fi, which is my house. And I was like, guess we're going to your house. And so we went to her house and she was very loved. And she was opening the door and I heard this voice and I was like, I know that voice. Either they're playing Justin Bieber or Justin Bieber is singing in this house. And she was like, justin's recording. We actually, like, can't go in. So we were in the hallway listening to Justin sing with her adorable little Yorkies, who are very, very cute.

[Taylor Antrim]

So there's also a dynamic that you describe in the story, and it sort of harkens back to that earlier story I mentioned in the 2019, when she came into Justin's life. He was very much the global superstar, and she was this sort of Nepo baby turned model that was suddenly in his sort of world. And a kind of shift has taken place that you write about where, thanks to road, which we should talk a little bit about the phenomenon of Rhode.

[Chloe Mal]

Well, I think the roadification of young American women.

[Taylor Antrim]

Right. Well, the point I was making is that he sort of stepped back from music and touring. And so now it sort of seems like. Like he's a little bit in her world. Like, some of the public appearances that they've made that we've seen pictures of online are thanks to road events. You know, like, she's the reason he's out in the world.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, for sure. And I think when you first talked to me about the story, that was actually the thing that interested me the most, because I was like, this is somebody who started off in this balance and now it's kind of, like, completely flipped. And how does that work? Like, how. In any marriage, I think that would be really hard, let alone one with, you know, the Daily Mail writing about you three times a day. Rhode has actually been kind of a long time coming. Like, it really started during the pandemic. It's been like a slow boil. She's been very intentional about it. So for her, she's felt very, like, supported by him the whole time. And it's like, kind of like. Of course, my husband would come with me to, like, you know, New York to launch the thing, like, if he wants to. It is obviously, I think, a very funny visual sometimes because his style has now become so. So his, which is, like, often very oversized street wear, kind of like shower slides and, you know, like, cool sunglasses. And hers is so hers, which is, like, often very body figure skimming, you know, like sexy, cool 90s vintage.

[Chloe Mal]

It really is a. Yeah. Versace situation.

[Radhika Seth]

It's very funny. It's very like.

[Chloe Mal]

It'd be a good Halloween costume.

[Radhika Seth]

The memes kind of write themselves. Right. It's like they're kind of a funny pair, but. But it works.

[Taylor Antrim]

Should we talk about the video?

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, my God, the video. I felt like the eldest person in the room.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, the video completely eluded you, Chloe. So there's a Vogue video series called in the Bag, and it's sort of a take on that, but a bit of a satirical take and. Okay, so we've established that Chloe didn't understand it at all. Took me a minute to understand what hilariously was going on here. But, Alessandra, tell us about your experience watching the video. Cause I sent you a rough cut, I think, like yesterday or the day before or something like that. You text me back pretty quickly.

[Radhika Seth]

I. I think I had to pause it and text you, like, what's happening? Okay.

[Chloe Mal]

I was not alone.

[Radhika Seth]

No, no. I was rendered immediately, initially very uncomfortable, which can often be a very good sign for a video. I did not know that's where it was going. I did think it was very funny. I think that it's very in line with her humor, too.

[Taylor Antrim]

Tell the world what's going on in this video.

[Radhika Seth]

In the video, it's a very cloud classic setup of, like, Vogue girl on a couch.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

She's.

[Radhika Seth]

She's got her tote and she's like, here's what's in my bag. Which has been, you know, parodied to the teeth by now because it's often people being like, oh, it's so crazy. It's this product I invented, and that's it in my bag. And instead, she unpacked and she, you know, she unpacks like, 500 road lip tints and then, like, 25 cell phones, which she's like, these are what I use to, like, comment and scheme. And, you know, it's all very tongue in cheek and sort of, like, winking.

[Taylor Antrim]

I applaud her. I thought it was super funny. She was very involved in the creative of this Video and everything. And was super, super game. Thespe, our video director was like, telling me all along about, like, yeah, she's really into this. So anyway, I think people are gonna talk about it. It's pretty fun, for sure.

[Radhika Seth]

And I think her acting's actually really good.

[Taylor Antrim]

It's really good.

[Radhika Seth]

I was like, okay, I buy this.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

I like ebay for one of a kind items. Things that feel limited edition or collections that can't be found in stores. And with the ebay authenticity guarantee, I know that when it arrives, it's real. It is a piece that is coming from the designer's collection, the designer's archive. One of the biggest conversation points for some of the parties that I'll go to during Fashion Week are the pieces that I'm getting off of ebay. Everyone's a little bit intrigued and excited whenever they hear that you were able to find something on this digital treasure hunt.

[Taylor Antrim]

So we talk about the pictures. The pictures are really beautiful. They're by Michael Jansen, the photographer. They were shot in Joshua Tree and they're very like, fitness, wellness, Pilates princess kind of body beautiful pictures. They're very dreamy.

[Chloe Mal]

Wasn't that your Spotify descriptor?

[Taylor Antrim]

What was.

[Radhika Seth]

Did I teach you Pilates princess through this story, or did you know that already?

[Chloe Mal]

No, he was describing that way from his Spotify rap.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, I would.

[Chloe Mal]

It was like pink Pilates princess because he listens to so much Chapel Roan and Gracie Abrams.

[Radhika Seth]

What?

[Taylor Antrim]

No, this is not true. And I would. I definitely don't think I was a Pilates princess. I think Spotify is aware of my gender. And so I was princeling. I was more of a Pilates princeling. Yeah. Thank you.

[Chloe Mal]

To me, the photos are very, like early 2000s Vogue, where. Where you see a bead of sweat on a glamorously toned celebrity's body and you just think, that's the body I want. But I'm going to have this Hailey Bieber smoothie instead.

[Radhika Seth]

Should we talk about the smoothie?

[Chloe Mal]

Yes. Did you have a smoothie as research?

[Radhika Seth]

I did try a smoothie.

[Taylor Antrim]

Did you file that expense with your.

[Radhika Seth]

Definitely should have, because that's not a cheap $21. Yeah. Oh, she drinks. She drinks the smoothie in the video too, which is funny. Yeah, it's tasty. It's got. It's very sweet. That's what I'll say.

[Chloe Mal]

It's really sweet.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

It's a milkshake.

[Radhika Seth]

But yes, Haley's. Haley's is, I believe, the longest running era one collaborative smoothie. It's still there because a lot of people, they come and go and Haley's is still there, going strong, very popular.

[Chloe Mal]

I want to know about the true Belieber girls, like the real Haley, the mini Haleys, because I see them around our office, I see them on social media. Like, it really is a very specific aesthetic that has proliferated. And I thought you did a great job of capturing that in your opening. They also, there's all these different types of girls that have come from the way she styles herself and dresses. Vanilla girl, strawberry girl, glazed donut skin, brownie, glazed lips, which is all delicious to me, but I'm wondering where these words came from or like, like what the seduction is for people.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, I was curious about that too. And I talked to her about that too because I was kind of like, what's the deal with the food stuff? Because it is, it does come. Like, a lot of the lip tints are named like peanut butter and jelly. Like, there's a lot of like cinnamon. There's a lot of really ingestible references, which I was sort of like. Like, this is funny, but also I do understand it because it sounds great. Like, I think she really caught onto something pretty quickly, which is that, like, it's all kind of of a piece with this like yummy, which is also a Justin Bieber song. Like, it's kind of like the brand building is really advanced, I think in a certain way. I think the strawberry girl, vanilla girl, which are two very different but related girls, they all do come from her. Like, this is truly just the way she kind of is and interacts with her products and with her fan base where it's like, it's quite attainable, you know, like, it's. It's about having really beautiful skin and like really good eyebrows, both of which you can do if you pay attention and not necessarily super expensively. And, you know, just like a tiny bit of makeup, but like looking like yourself. Looking like it's very sort of like girl next door, more of different seasons. Like, I think the strawberry girl was more like summery, but the vanilla girl is more just like clean scrape back hair, minimal makeup, which I think for most women is something you can kind of do right? Like instead of maybe the Pat McGrath, like, shiny, amazing Margiela face, which is super cool, but pretty technically advanced if you're somebody who's interested in, you know, looking beautiful. She had a very cute line where she was like, you know, I grew up, my mom would like slather me in all these Oils. Like, that's just like, the way that we are. I do that going to bed. Like, we were laughing about how, like, the going to bed routine is you go to bed looking crazy, so you wake up hot, basically. And she was like, I do this. Like, I'm the glazed donut. And like, I say, like, my baby's a donut hole. Like, I slather him. Like, he's a little, like, mini donut.

[Chloe Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Radhika Seth]

Like, that's really cute. Like, we're a donut family. Like, I love that we're glazed.

[Chloe Mal]

Donut hole is a term of endurance I used on my children, I have to say.

[Taylor Antrim]

So you say sometimes we like to talk about outtakes, things that didn't quite make the story on these podcasts. And you just heard it first.

[Radhika Seth]

Oh, there you go.

[Chloe Mal]

Alessandra. Thank you so much. I'm very excited for the world to read your story.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, it was really fun working on it with you.

[Radhika Seth]

Thank you, guys. Yeah, I loved working on this. Yeah. I hope people read it and sort of come to like, maybe a deeper understanding of her like I did.

[Chloe Mal]

And that's it for the show. See you soon. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Joanna Solotarov. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and Jake, it is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Stephanie Karaoke is our executive producer, and Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of Global audio.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

The other day, I, like, went on a real ebay spree. There's this huge push for, like, 80s opulence and 80s sort of glamour, and we're going to see that returning. And so I was already kind of tapped into that just from my gorgeous ebay watch list. And I found a really beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s and a really great Miu Miu kilt, these great Dior boots. And I'm combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting doesn't require something that's gonna be, like, produced in the future. Sometimes you can, like, tap into the past and tap into the archive as well. That's what makes ebay a fun place to actually discover things because. Because you're not going in with something so specific in mind, but you have an idea of what you're interested in or what you're excited about or, you know, just truly trend forecasting. And so one thing that I would say people should be watching out for is, like, very opulent 80s style.

[Alessandra Codena]

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