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A
Hi, I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. Ebay is one of the places where it ends up factoring so much into my fashion month because it lets me find pieces that I know aren't just pushed on me because it's a trend that's happening at the moment. There's an element of discovery with ebay where I'll find something new that excites me.
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B
This is the run through. I'm Chloe Mao.
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C
And I'm Taylor Antrim.
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B
Today we have the immense plus of speaking with former vice president Kamala Harris. She came into the New York studio and chatted with me and Taylor about her new book, 107 Days, which is out today, September 23rd. The book chronicles, as you can imagine, her 107 day presidential campaign following Joe Biden's withdrawal from the election. And I have to say, you just speed through this book because it almost feels like watching an episode of the show 24, which ages me. Cause that was 20 years ago. But it's like tick, tick, tick tock all the way down to election day and then obviously this sort of gutting finale. And we all were left wondering, is there a chance she's gonna run for something? The big thing in 2028?
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C
Yeah, it's a really fast paced read. It's sort of like a TikTok of the. Not at TikTok, not at T I C k T o c K. Chloe of the boomer alone of the last election. You were the one who referenced 24. That show's like 30 years old.
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B
Okay. Calling it like a Tik.
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C
It's a really fast paced read and both of us had a lucky chance to read it early. It was a great conversation, but it went beyond the book, which was something I was so fascinated by. She gave us insight into the state of the country following the killing of Charlie Kirk. She talked about Jimmy Kimmel's suspension. There was a lot in this conversation I was surprised.
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B
She also talked to us about. She was giving me advice on my new job at the beginning and how she dressed when she started as a prosecutor. That when she started as a prosecutor, women were not allowed to wear pantsuits. They had to wear skirt suits and what they called the dyfy tie, which is the Dianne Feinstein sort of voluminous neckerchief. So, yes, we feel like we got all sides of vice president Harris in our brief time with her.
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C
It was a great conversation. So without further ado, here's vice president Harris.
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D
Well, congratulations on everything. It's been exciting. Thank you so much.
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B
It is exciting. It's been a busy couple weeks, but.
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C
It'S exciting because it's more of the same too. I mean, Chloe's worked at Vogue as long as I have. I feel like she's been around since.
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D
Right, right. It's not new.
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C
Sense of continuity, which is really nice.
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D
Yeah, that is. That is good. That's important.
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C
It's important because this is a.
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B
It's an evolution, not a revolution. That's what I'm going with.
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D
Right. No, I think that's good. But also, there's a continu. But progress, right?
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B
Yes, exactly.
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D
And so progress anticipates that there will be change, but along the continuum.
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B
Yes, exactly.
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D
Yeah. So, you know, I started as a prosecutor, and I've had many mentors in my life, and early in my career, one of them said to me, kamala, fighter pilots only take direction from other fighter pilots.
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B
Oh, interesting.
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D
That's good. So you coming into this role of leadership, having come up through the ranks, is more important than you may realize.
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B
That is such a great way to think about it.
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D
Yeah, yeah. Because you know it. You've done it. And so even if you bring change, you are a new person. You're your own person. It's the beginning of the next era, and so people are gonna be braced for that. But they know that you came up through the ranks.
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B
Yeah.
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D
And so there's a certain, you know, credibility that is earned with that background.
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B
Ooh, I like that.
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C
I really look forward to you using the fighter pilot's anecdote in a meeting, but.
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D
No, but really. But it's true.
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C
I love that. It was cool.
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D
You didn't just kind of helicopter in to mix metaphors.
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C
And she's had a lot of roles, too. I mean, you were. Once upon a time, you were called a social editor, which is really.
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B
And, well, it's confusing because now everyone thinks I ran a social media account, which is laughable, because I certainly could.
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D
All these things have changed meanings drastically.
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C
So drastically. I can't believe we had a social editor once upon a time.
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B
No. It's so crazy.
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D
Please. Do you know, when I started trying cases, women could not wear pantsuits. When we were trying cases?
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C
No.
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B
When was that?
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D
In, like, the 90s?
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C
What were you supposed to wear? A dress.
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D
Skirt?
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B
Suits.
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C
Oh, I'm so fired right now.
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D
I'm so fired.
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C
Ball gowns.
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B
The editor book.
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D
Ball gowns. Taylor.
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C
I was like, that's kind of chic, to be honest.
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D
What entity.
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C
What entity is deciding this is the.
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D
Point about it just, you know, for women to show any femininity. Right. Because all the suits were basically tailored for men. It was men's suits that women would wear, essentially. And this is maybe a California thing, but if women were gonna show flair in their femininity, they would wear what used to be called the Di Fi tie.
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B
Oh, my God, Say more.
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D
Dianne Feinstein. Remember, in like, Margaret Thatcher and all would have these things, and that was their expression of femininity.
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C
Did you ever try the dye Phi tie?
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D
No. No. In fact, when I was elected DA So this is when I started. When I was elected DA A friend of mine who used to work in the office called me and he said, how's it going? I said, I think it's going well. What are you hearing? And he said. He started laughing. He said, I hear the women are wearing shorter skirts and higher heels.
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B
Wow.
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D
Because they realized they would be taken seriously and didn't have to worry about expressing their femininity and not be taken seriously.
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B
Interesting.
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D
Yeah. It's fascinating when you think about, you know, you guys know this, the intersection between social policy, equal rights, fashion, you know, perception of gender. What does it mean? Expression of individuality. It's all interconnected. Yeah. I mean, that's what I loved about even just like the Met gala that came last year or this year. And just when you think about the history of fashion and what that has meant, like the zoot suits. Right. And that that was around the riots in LA based on Latinos and Filipinos expressing. Right. Their individuality and culture. Anyway, you guys are in a great business. That's my only point.
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B
Oh, we love that.
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D
And there's an intersection.
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B
I mean, this is something that we talk about a lot because as you can imagine, people on our team have mixed feelings about covering the fashion of the current administration. And it is important because we are a fashion news publication and giving analysis on what people wear and why what you wear can be powerful. And it is important to register. And so I do struggle with how to advise people on that. But I do keep coming back to the fact that the way we choose to present ourselves has implications. We are going to take a short break. We'll be back in a moment.
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A
Whenever I'm looking for things with ebay authenticity guarantee, it often ends up being sneakers. I'm not necessarily sneakerhood, but there are specific sneakers that I may have, like, fallen in love with and have been discontinued. And it's really nice to find them on ebay. And so it'll be just like a pair of platform Converse loafers. It will be a pair of vans, white slippers with, like a very specific low toe. And so it's great with ebay to just be like, this is a real thing. It's in the size that you want, it's in the style that you want, and it's real.
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B
Welcome to the show.
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D
Thank you.
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B
We are so excited to be with you here. So excited to have you.
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D
Thank you.
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B
Taylor, devoured your book over the summer.
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C
Yes, I got a chance to read it early. I'd like to boast on this podcast, but Chloe burned through it over the weekend.
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B
I did.
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C
And it's called 107 days. And it counts down the days to the presidential election. And it's such a present tense kind of book where you're really in the moment. And it made me want to ask you a question about our present tense. And we're going to talk about the book. But to start, I just wanted to get a sense from you about where you think we are as a country right now. We're 12 days out from the assassination of Charlie Kirk. There's been other political violence. There was a shooting in Minnesota in the summer. There was President Trump's attempted assassination. And January 6th is not far from our memories. So could you tell us what alarms you most about all of this and how do we stop things from escalating further?
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D
So there's a lot to unpack in what you presented. Let's start with the murder of Charlie Kirk. He should not have been murdered. He should not have been killed. A young man, young family. He had every right to live. And I will always stand in defense of his right to live. And I do not stand in defense of his beliefs. But he should not have been killed. And you are right to then see it in the line of what we have been seeing over quite some time. I mean, history goes back quite far in terms of political violence. But even just let's think about Gabby Giffords. We can think about what happened in terms of, you know, fast forward to the senator in Minnesota. I attended her funeral. Two beautiful children. She and her husband are gone. They're without parents. What we have been seeing in terms of political violence, whether it was the attempt on President Trump's life and then most recently, and it's gotta stop. I think that on that issue of political violence, an important point that has to be made over and over again is we have a right as Americans to expect our elected leaders to bring down the temperature. We have a right that we would expect our president to actually bring down the temperature and use that most powerful voice, the platform, the bully pulpit of the President of the United States is equal to none in the world. And so not only the opportunity, but the duty that comes with that microphone bestowed upon you by the people of America to be a leader should not be so easily thrown away for the sake of one's personal satisfaction in vengeance. And that's part of what concerns me about where we are now, that we have a President of the United States that spends full time in moments where we could rise to unify the country, to calm the fear, and instead he chooses to inflame it. And that is to no one's benefit, whatever your political ideology, whoever you voted for, and I think all of us then as Americans, I hope, are unified in expecting and wanting more from the President of the United States.
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B
Part of the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's killing has been Jimmy Kimmel being suspended from the air. And this has been something that much of America has been focused on. But I feel very acutely in the media industry. I feel like friends across the entire spectrum of the media industry are so shaken by this and wondering, how seriously should we be taking Trump's threats about coverage? How should this affect the way that we do our jobs?
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C
We vogue.
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B
Yeah, we vogue, but also we, as the Fourth Estate in general, how should we be thinking about this in a rational way? What should the digestion look like?
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D
I think we have to. You're right. In terms of perspective is very important. Right. And so perspective, hopefully, is almost always influenced by, at least beginning the influences by fact. What happened and what we have seen is the weight of the federal government as dictated by the President of the United States and members of his administration, bearing down to silence the voice of a critic of a citizen who deigned to criticize their government, which is normal in a healthy democracy. You go back through the history of time in democracies. Political satire is a beautiful component of what happens in a free society that values free speech, but the weight of the federal government. Suspend Jimmy Kimmel. And to send a message to all of you who are in media, who dare to express opinion, to offer compliment or criticism, to have you exist in fear, where you have to ask this question, what does this mean for us? What can we. And this is the tragedy where the media is asking, what can we get away with without being punished.
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B
Yeah.
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D
One has to ask, how is this so different from Communist dictatorship? For generations, we have prided ourselves on what we stand for, the principles and who we are or the Constitution of the United States, starting with the First Amendment. And when people have in any way criticized our allegiance to our principles, often to make our point, we will also contrast ourselves with communist dictatorship. How are we any different? Right now I ask.
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C
I want to ask you about one of the most striking moments in the book for me, and it links into what we're talking about. You arranged a call with President Trump after his assassination attempt, and it was after you'd exchanged some friendly words with him at the 911 ceremony here, right near where we're talking. I was so struck by that.
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D
Which was the day after our debate, correct?
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C
Yes, exactly right. So you have the debate and then you have that 911 moment. And anyway, you know, I was so struck by that call. And I think anyone who reads this book that will really seize on this chapter because it's a quite human exchange. You know, he compliments you, he compliments Doug, you know, my husband. Yes, yes, your husband. I guess my question to you was, was that a genuinely empathetic side of President Trump or what was going on there? You invoke sort of Jekyll and Hyde at the end of the chapter, and I was left wondering what you made of that conversation.
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D
I did feel he was being sincere in his compliment and his compliment of Doug, and that is as I write in the book. And I had two conversations that I talk about in the book with him, which I think both demonstrate a certain, I don't know, side of him characteristic. But regardless of whether that one conversation that he and I had made me in that moment think that he actually has a warm side to him, I don't know if that really matters. When we are looking at the fact that he is inciting fear, that he is silencing his critics, that he is weaponizing the United States Department of Justice against his political enemies, that he is forgiving people who have clearly committed crimes like the January Sixers, while he is going after the people who in some way have damaged his reputation, according to him. So if you're talking about a ledger, does one in any way forgive the other? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
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C
The other thing, the other chapter that I was so gripped by is the recounting of the debate. And it was quite something to relive that from the stage as you describe it. And it got me thinking and made me want to ask you. I mean, that debate was so nuts, and it didn't actually change the course of the election. And I just wonder, what role should political debates have in the Next presidential.
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D
You're asking a wonderful question, and I guess I'll answer by first saying I hoped it would have an impact, but polling told us that it didn't necessarily have an impact on how people were perceiving where we stood and what the issues were and the contrast. And even though tens of millions of people. I think the estimates. I may be off, but somewhere around 70 million people watched.
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C
Everybody watched it.
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B
It was incredible.
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D
And if you don't count what they saw in terms of streaming and YouTube and all that. So people saw it to your point. And I think the contrast, all objective people would say, was very clear between he and I on where we stand on issues, how we think. I don't think we should stop having those debates. I think for people who are genuinely interested in the contrast as I talk about the split screen, I think we owe it to them to offer it, whether it influences large groups of people. Maybe that's not the point. The point is that they just. We need to be transparent and require again, that we have an independent media who will present a fair debate between opposing sides to air it out.
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B
It's funny because as Taylor has already bragged, he read this book before I did. I read this book.
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D
Subtle, rad.
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B
I read the book this weekend when there had already been an excerpt from the book out. It had been in the media a bit. And I. It was interesting to me reading the book after that to see so much of what had emerged after the excerpts were released was that you were difficult on or critical of President Biden. But from the book, you clearly love President Biden and respect him so deeply. But there are moments where you and he aren't on the same page and you are critical of some of his advisors. Were you surprised by that becoming the prevailing narrative, or is that the cost of doing business?
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D
To be very candid with you, Chloe, do you guys remember the whole parable about the blind man and the elephant?
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B
Yes.
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D
That's how. For those who go, yeah, please. So, okay, so basically, I'm gonna probably mess it up. But here's my version of that parable. There's a blind man, and you then tell him you are being presented with an elephant. And let's say you give the blind man then the ability to touch the trunk. And the parable is that if that's all that one sees, they will decide that the whole thing looks like that one thing. So that's the point, right? It's about the fact that if you just see one piece, all of us cited or unsighted if you see just one piece of something, you're going to make huge and probably even false assumptions about what the whole is. And that was my reluctance. I actually told my team about the parable and I said when we were trying to decide do we do excerpts? And the winning argument, and I was persuaded that it was the right one, was we need to give journalists some idea of what's in it. And frankly the other concern was that it would just start leaking anyway. So we did and I was very concerned and it played out to your point, which is there would be this whole idea that this was about a tell all book or somehow about a book about Joe Biden, which it's not. And I do love Joe Biden and I have a great deal of respect for him. And I think that now you guys have read the book, more people this week, everyone will be able to read the book. They will see that it really is fundamentally a book about one of the most interesting and historic elections for President of the United States in our history. Because think about it. The election in 2024 was an election where the President of the United States was running for reelection three and a half months before the election, decides to drop out. The sitting Vice President then gets into the race against a former President of the United States who had been running for 10 years with 107 days to go. And it was the closest election for President of the United states in the 21st century. And I felt a need to write about this for the sake of one, the historical significance of it, but also to be very candid. I also wanted to make sure that as history writes this, that my voice is present.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Because this is part of America's history now. This is American history. And I wanted to make sure that the perspective and the experience of at least one of the individuals who was involved helps the narrative. And ultimately I do hope that one of the takeaways of the book for those who read it is it was an incredible experience to travel our country and to see these crowds of thousands and thousands of people who seemingly had nothing in common coming together. And the optimism. Right. Dare I say, the joy that people had about what is possible for our country. Going back to your point, Taylor, about where are we today? One of the things I hope to achieve is that people understand that light that people had inside of them during those 107 days, that's theirs. And it can't be extinguished by virtue of one election or any one person who happens to be right now in office like that light is in all of us. And don't let it be dimmed. Right. And see the light in each other. Right. Especially in these moments of darkness.
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B
The run through will be back in a moment.
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A
Dressing for fashion shows requires a little spontaneity, and you have to plan for the events of your day, but also be open to what's around you. And a lot of that'll be influenced by the street style that you're seeing. Just like in the moment, sometimes everybody's wearing low bun scrunchies. Obviously we know that for a while they were wearing trench coats. So whenever I'm using the search bar on ebay, I'm really thinking about like a theme or like an aesthetic that's interesting to me at that moment. And so sometimes it really is just like sheer sparkle, mesh. Ebay will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And so much of what I'm wearing for fall shows is from ebay.
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C
I wanted to ask about a moment right in the beginning. So the book starts with you sort of understanding that Biden is going to drop out.
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D
The book starts with me making pancakes.
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C
Making pancakes. Yes. Yes, that's right. That's right. But in our reading, there was 22 minutes where you knew that President Biden was dropping out before the rest of the world did. And what I would like to know is what Was your number one thought during those 22 minutes? It just is such a charged moment where you know something and the rest of the world has not yet been told.
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D
Well, you hit it on the head. I was acutely and so well aware. I know something the rest of the world doesn't know. That's about to change. Literally the rest of the world.
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C
Yeah.
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D
And I mean, frankly, it's not necessarily. I mean, that was very unique and specific. But, you know, having been vice president of the United States for four years, there are many things that I knew and know that the rest of the world may not. But knowing that it was on my shoulders, I understood so well the gravity of what that those 22 minutes and then that whole day and 107 days meant. Yeah. But I also share a pretty funny story about where my husband was.
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C
Yeah, we love the story.
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D
And wasn't during those nerve wracking minutes.
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C
That's right. That's right.
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D
Basically, for anyone listening and watching, I couldn't find him.
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C
Tell us why.
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D
I'm trying to find Dougie. I'm trying to find him. I'm calling, I call. I mean, I'm just. And I'M like, where is my husband? And I'm on the phone dealing with, talking with the president, talking with my team, talking with his team. And I'm asking like my niece and my brother in law, can you please find Doug? Nobody can find Doug. I'm calling him, can't find him. And then I'm like, get our son Cole, who was also. Cause Doug was in la, I'm in dc. Can you find him? Nobody can find Doug. The reason is because Doug was on a bike at SoulCycle in West Hollywood.
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B
And we love that for him. It made me laugh because I used to go to SoulCycle and I remember the teachers would always say at the beginning, leave your phones outside of the classroom unless you are a doctor or you have a sick kid. So he didn't register for both. Either of those?
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D
No.
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B
And they should add or your wife might get an important role.
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D
That's so true. I know. I used to go to SoulCycle all the time. You're exactly right. Exactly right. Like dude should have had his phone on him.
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B
He's a rule follower.
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C
SoulCycle needs a Doug clause.
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D
Doug is a big rule follower.
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B
I also loved the wake up time contract that you had with your nieces that they appoint to 7:30. The idea of waiting till 7:30 in the morning on a Sunday is so luxurious to me. I have two toddlers, so I really respect it totally.
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D
Right? No. And they about rule followers are really big mini rule followers because I got in like past midnight the night before and if you see there's pictures, they're photographs. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I wonder if you. I've written some, you know, personal things about my family too. And it's always a moment of do I share with them ahead of time? What kind of clearance do I have to get? What was that process like for you with different members of your family?
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D
It was, it was a process. Right. I mean, you know, many, many of us know this. You can live a public life, but really want to hold onto your privacy. I have always tried to have a private life. And you know, I remember my mother would say when we were growing, you know, that basically there's a big difference between a secret and what's private. Right. And privacy is just about that. It's yours. And if you choose to share it, you may, but you don't have to. Right? Right. And this is probably the first time I think that some people have been actually very surprised to see what I've written because I am normally very private. But there were things I shared with a lot of Candor in this book, that is not my norm.
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B
And.
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D
Yeah. And it was about talking to family and them being okay with it.
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B
Did you incorporate their notes or did this all come from a diary? I'm just always impressed with people's recall.
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D
And as I actually write in the acknowledgments, a lot of it was them helping me recreate certain moments because, you know, there's a lot of it also that was just. I mean, that's a lot of the book is also about just having the time to breathe and reflect on what happened because I'm not. I am task oriented. And especially those 107 days. And it's not my nature, probably to my, you know, a weakness of mine. I don't sit back and reflect. Oh, what was that? I just moved to the next thing.
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B
Yeah.
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D
So after I came back home to LA after the inauguration, it took me a while to just sit and think. I mean, and I spent a lot of time, literally and figuratively, unpacking and trying to recreate those days. And so I talked with my team, I talked with my family, I talked with some friends to help me kind of recreate some of that stuff based on what I would not have seen, given my almost myopic focus on these 107 days. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a group effort. In many ways, that's the best kind of creation.
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C
Doug has some really tremendous moments in this book. I was so struck by him, your description of him, particularly by his political acuity. He seems to understand things even before members of your team do. And so it was remarkable.
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D
He's very practical. See, he's just. He's a real pragmatist. And that helps because he's not burdened by kind of like, how will this resonate politically? He's just kind of. He's a Jersey guy.
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C
This makes me wish all the more that you two are in the White House right now. We need a practical first gentleman in the White House right now. Anyway, this is what I wanted to ask you, which is like, for all of his political acuity and pragmatism that you describe in the book, it makes me want to frame the question this way. Everyone wants to know what you're going to do next, but I would like to know what Doug thinks you should do next and what Doug is telling you advising you to do next.
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D
You know, the thing about one of the things that made me fall in love with Doug is that he is. He's self actualized. Hmm. Like, he is comfortable in who he is. He loves his family. He loves to work hard. He loves to play golf. He likes to eat good food. I mean, he's just. And he's clear about all those things. Yeah. His best friends from kindergarten are still some of his best friends. Right.
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C
We love to hear it.
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B
I loved hearing about their group chat.
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D
Yeah. I mean, they have their boys weekends, like, at least once, maybe sometimes twice a year. Right. Where they all just like, grill up a bunch of steaks. And so he is that person who will genuinely always look at me and say, your instincts. I trust your instincts. Your instincts are always the best. You do what you feel is right. I'm here for you whatever you choose to do. And he is genuinely that person. Because part of it, I think sometimes in partnerships, people are concerned, like, is it for you or is it for me or. Right. He is absolutely comfortable with what he is doing and satisfied with that. If I stayed home every day and cooked, he'd be happy with that for sure. If I did anything else, he'd be happy with that. He's very supportive. And I think it's partly because he's just really comfortable in his own skin. So there's no projection. Right.
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B
I like that you said that Your friend who introduced you warned you not to Google him.
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D
She did.
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B
Are you glad you didn't?
- [32:36]
D
I did. I did Google him. You did. So I only confessed it a little while after. Come on. Of course I did.
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B
I know it's a real peril of dating in the 21st century.
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D
It really is. I did.
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B
I have to say, my favorite passage of the book was your very honest and detailed description of your birthday fight with Doug.
- [33:01]
D
Yes.
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B
I really. As someone who constantly takes their stress out on their husband, this was very relatable for me.
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C
Light a candle for Graham.
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B
And also, I think that it's a very. We underestimate how much of a toll our stress can take on different parts of our lives.
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D
Absolutely right.
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B
The drama about the birthday gift and the. I mean, as someone who. My husband got me a milk steamer for my last birthday, so I got.
- [33:31]
D
A theragun for one of mine. Oh, I just got. Damn.
- [33:34]
B
A thera. Got a mini one.
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D
But. Yes, but, Doug, you said not romantic. Yeah, exactly.
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C
That sounds like a gift for him. All that golf.
- [33:43]
D
We're getting all kinds of product placement in this interview.
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C
No free ads.
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B
There go it. Made me think one. I love that. And I thought it was extremely. I was so grateful to relate to that. And also I wondered. It's about to be your and Doug's Birthday again.
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D
You're both Libras.
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B
How. What is different about this birthday? How are you feeling different mentally, physically? How are you celebrating?
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D
So Doug and I. So during those four years when we were in dc, we would have scheduling meetings every Sunday because we had to, because it just. Otherwise we were different places and we had to sync up. And we haven't had to have them this year after we came back after the inauguration until just last week because of the book tour. Our family doesn't even know this yet when is this airing. But it may be that I'm on the road for his birthday.
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B
Okay.
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D
And we're gonna try and sync up around my birthday. Cause we're seven days apart, Right. In October. And the book tour goes until mid November, so we are figuring it out. But. Okay, yeah. So I'll just say something really corny. But every day is our birthday.
- [34:59]
B
Well, I also related to the fact that you're both Libras and so you say that neither of you can ever decide on what TV show to watch.
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D
It takes us an hour, and then we're ready to go to bed.
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C
Just go to bed at that point.
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B
So what are you agreed on right now? What are you guys watching?
- [35:11]
D
Well, we love the Pit, so the Pit is coming back on. So let me go back, because we do love the Pit.
- [35:17]
B
Ooh, so stressful.
- [35:18]
D
And then it got a bunch of awards too. It really did. Well deserved. Not that the others didn't deserve it, but well deserved. Yes.
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B
Vice President Harris, I have to ask you, this is the Vogue podcast after all. What are you planning to wear on your book tour?
- [35:31]
D
I'm gonna mostly wear suits. Okay.
- [35:34]
B
All right.
- [35:34]
D
Yeah, I'm just gonna stick to who I am, you know?
- [35:37]
B
Well, we do have to ask, but.
- [35:39]
D
If you have any recommendations, I'll take those too.
- [35:41]
B
Well, I do love the new Parenza Schooler design by Rachel Scott. She's a wonderful designer who has this small line, Diatima, but she just took over Proenza, and I thought she.
- [35:49]
D
I love Proenza, but I haven't seen what she's doing. Okay, well, I'll show you. Okay, show me.
- [35:53]
B
But she's really talented.
- [35:55]
D
Okay.
- [35:55]
B
It's a nice new moment to support her.
- [35:58]
D
Okay. That's good to hear.
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B
Obviously, we all leave the book wondering what this feels like. A halftime, not the end of a game. What is 2028 bringing for you?
- [36:11]
D
I have no idea. At this moment, I'm really focused on right now. And I will also stress that that's a lifetime from now I mean, can we imagine that since. I mean, it's only been nine months, right. And how that feels and what that has meant. And so let's focus on right now and lay the seeds for the future. But I'm a big believer that when you're focused on that thing that's out there, you trip over the thing that's in front of you.
- [36:50]
C
As someone who trips a lot, I think that's good advice for you.
- [36:53]
B
It's true.
- [36:53]
D
Well, you do have to focus, right? You do have to, like, you're focused on everything else except. Right. Exactly.
- [37:02]
B
Well, that's a good note to end on.
- [37:03]
C
That's a good night to end on. Vice President Harris, thank you so much for doing.
- [37:05]
D
This was great.
- [37:06]
B
This was such a pleasure for us.
- [37:08]
D
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
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B
All right, that's it for the show. See you time next. Next week. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Kariuki. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of global audio.
- [37:42]
A
Right now, I'm wearing this, like, perfect, kind of, like, almost periwinkle purple metallic leather jacket that one of my best friends got me for my birthday just a couple weeks ago, and she got it on ebay. And the first day I wore it was to the Vogue offices. And as I was walking in the door, one of my cool friends stopped me outside and was like, this jacket is so cool. The color is so radiant. Was it made for you? And I was just like, my friend got it on ebay, and it is perfect. I'm wearing it once a week, if not more. But it's the kind of thing that I plan also to be wearing for fall shows. Like, that's a completely appropriate thing to wear as an editor who's going backstage to be interviewing people sort of like behind the scenes. But maybe you end up finding yourself, like, with a seat at the show. La la. Or maybe you have to go straight from there to a dinner that's like, very fancy. Everything kind of needs to take you everywhere. And my ebay style is, like, it can go everywhere.
- [38:40]
D
From prx.