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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
This is the run through. I'm Marlee Marius, senior editor of features and news. Today. I'm joined in the studio by Luke Evans and Sam Pinkleton, the star and director respectively of the Rocky Horror show on Broadway, which has actually just been extended through July 19th. Very exciting. Due to untamed demand as the press releases.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Untamed.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
And I was like, honestly? Sure, totally. I see that. Before we really get into it, what are we wearing today? Because let's start with you, Luke.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, I'm wearing Todd Snyder.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, fab.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
And some Levi's.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Okay, cool. Yeah, I like this jaunty tie. I like this jaunty jacket.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah, I love it. I chose it out of a pile of ties. I love the bit, the paisley little homage part of the paisley design. Just nice. You know when you're wearing fishnets, jock strap and corset eight times a week to sort of put clothes on, you
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
can do it all. You can wear it all. It's amazing. And you, Sam, what's the shirt?
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
This shirt is acne. It's acne from the like super headquarters in Stockholm and I've never seen it anywhere else. And I love it so much.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
I love. It's so good.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Did you go to Stockholm to buy it?
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I did. I mean, not. I didn't just go to Stockholm to buy a shirt, but if you go
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
to Stockholm and you like clothes, you have to go to the acne.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Correct.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
This is fabulous. Well, okay. Congratulations to you both, certainly, on this show. I went with my mom to the matinee on Sunday and we had such a good time. It was so fab. It's funny to walk into a show on 3pm on a Sunday and just sort of be like, what am I in for? And then it being amazing and you walk out and it's fab. We stage doored. It was a whole thing.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Incredible. Yeah.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
My mom is obsessed with doing this. Like, she loves to have everything signed. So we had the whole experience and it was. Yeah, it was so exciting. So congratulations on.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Did I sign it?
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sure. Did you sort of saw your adorable dog.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, you had a lala. You had a lala. Master Day.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
More on her later. We're gonna like circle right back to that. But at the time of recording, we are, I think, a week out from opening night.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
One week.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
How are we feeling, guys?
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I'm good. I'm ready. I'm like every day we finish the show, we spend every afternoon rehearsing for five hours, tweaking, layering, adding nuance, and, you know, doing all these fun, exciting things. And then we put them in every night and I go home and I decompress. Send SAM about 300 text messages as I'm. And I'm sure he's like closing his eyes in the phone texts again, like, just because it's. I'm present in that moment and talk about the experience and what I think worked. And I love it. And I think you enjoy it too, the process of tech and of course, because it's. It's like you still have the license and the freedom to try things and change things up. But if we open tomorrow, I feel very, very good about what we have, where we are at, and how I feel when I walk out on that stage. So that's a nice feeling.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
How are you feeling?
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I feel giddy. It's like always with live theater, you could tinker until death.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sure.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And at a certain point you have to be like pencils down. And I think with this show especially, I mean, we've had such a good time making it and we have such deep love, not only for each other, but for the material.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Totally.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
That the experience of previewing it has really just been about getting to know the audience. And at a certain point, you have to be like, okay, we have it. I definitely. I do obsess about details. I think one of the reasons why we work so well together is because at midnight we are both, like, very excited to talk about details that only matter to you and I. And it's time. Like, it's time to just have a show. And I'm so proud of it.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah, that's very exciting. And, I mean, I guess maybe we can jump right into that. I mean, everyone sort of has their sort of Rocky Horror origin story. And I'd love for you guys to both kind of talk about how this show kind of first came into your lives.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Luke's is better than mine.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It's not that great. I mean, firstly, I mean, I was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness, so this kind of show would never have been seen in my. On my television at home, or I wouldn't have seen it on screen in the cinema, or definitely wouldn't have been to the theater to watch it. So I was very late to being introduced to the show. And it was actually when I was in musical theater college, when I was in London and I was about 19, and we did a showcase and we were asked to pick a song from a show that was showy and impress the potential agents in the audience. And I chose Sweet Transvest. I mean, extraordinary how I chose that song, because I went on and played Chris in Miss Saigon and all these very macho.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was lurking underneath the whole song.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It was just there. I thought maybe this is my last time to do something crazy. Because in musical theatre college is a bit like fame. You know, you get shit off the top. You can just do what you want and wear your ankle warmers and prance around King's Cross and, you know, do that. And that was. I was coming to the end of it. So maybe it was my last hurrah of being free and liberated and do something so sort of against type for me.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sure.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Which is sort of the attraction that drew me to it 35 years later is this immense challenge for me and what people think of me and who I am. But to answer your question, it was when I was 19 years old.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sam.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I knew the iconography of Rocky Horror just from being a human being. Like, I knew what it looked like. I knew fishnets. I knew Tim Curry. I knew. But I don't think I saw it until college and the thing I remember is feeling rage, deep rage that I had not seen it sooner. I grew up in a small town in Virginia and it just was a thing that I think would have been a liberating force for me if I had encountered it when I was 13.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's interesting. Yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I felt like I was denied something in a way, the gift of getting to do this now on Broadway. I've been working on a version of the Rocky Horror show for like eight years. And so, so much of that work has been just talking to people whose lives have been affected by the Rocky Horror Show. And so many people have that story. Oh, I saw it when I was 15 and I realized that something else was possible for me. So I think I have a little bit of bitterness that I don't get to have that story.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
This is the kind of show, and I guess the film is this way too, where like, if it found you at the right time, it seems like it really sticks on people's bones. And I wondered, sort of, especially being so deep into it now, if you have like, yeah, a better sense or a different sense of like, why that is.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I think, you know, being a gay man and remembering what it was like to be a gay kid in an environment where I wasn't allowed to express that or even acknowledge it. If I had have been able to have watched or seen just even a snippet of the film or the stage production, I think it would have allowed me to go, okay, well, I'm not exactly like any of these people on that screen, but there's something that they are doing and being fine about and being and feeling themselves, which would have triggered a massive reaction in, in me as a young kid if I'd have had that opportunity. So in answer to your question, I think what it has done, and I know this because for the last three and a half weeks, I go out to the stage door every night. I meet 50, 60 people every night. And during that progression from one side of the barrier to the, to the end, I meet people in their 80s, down to 14 year old trans kids, sing. Like this show changed my opinion of myself.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Amazing.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I saw something in some character that made me see myself and allowed me to go. I'm not alone. Which is an extraordinary thing. Whether Richard O' Brien knew this when he wrote it 53 years ago, who knows? I mean, I don't know Richard. I know who he is and I know a lot about him. But the effect it has is profound and as funny and as silly and as absurd and as ridiculous and hedonistic and batshit crazy the show can be, there's messages that are timeless. Right? And I think that's what I'm hyper aware of every night when I open my mouth and say certain lines that I know have been around for that amount of time, half a century. And the reaction. And you hear gasps in the audience. Cause they're going, he's right. You know, you go, wow. You know, you feel a real responsibility. The gravitas of these. These lines. Within this colorful spectrum of crazy, there's some really strong, timeless words and lines that are. That I think resonate with every generation. They don't get old.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And people feel many things about it.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Many.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And often those things are in contradiction to each other. Which is one of the things that I find to be the most delicious, the most impossible, the most worthwhile about Rocky Horror is like, I agree to the dominating narrative. For people who have been transformed by Rocky Horror, who have a great affection for Rocky Horror, is some version of, I felt seen, I felt embraced. I found my people. I found a way that I could expand. And there's so much nuance within that conversation. And I know nuance is so unpopular in 2026. Like, oh, my God. Like, we can't do complexity, but it's actually what's happening. So irresistible to me about this. And it's the thing that has made me addicted to making it at this scale is the collision of experiences and histories that people bring to it. It's a thing that's really special about. Doing it on Broadway is like, for every person who's like, I know every word, there's somebody who's like, what is this? And that is. It's this. Like, incredible. Again, impossible. And really beautiful thing to say. Like, it's been this thing for 53 years, and this is what it is now. And whatever you're showing up with is perfect. I've never encountered anything. Actually, that's not true. Cause I was talking to a friend the other day who's writing the new Star Wars.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, wow.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I was like, this. It's the same. That's the same. Like, people have their stuff with this thing and we have ours, and we're finding new stuff every day. It's wild.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's amazing. And I mean, it's so exciting to think that, like, you are part of the Rocky Horror. That's gonna be, like, people's first experience with Rocky Horror, the thing that makes them obsessed with Rocky Horror. Like, that's such a cool thing.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I Feel. Yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
No pressure.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Totally. Yeah, totally.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I mean, it's a strange thing, isn't it? You know, picking up a piece of work that has lived for so long, successfully, has broken records, has been in cinematic release for the world record. You know, being in a cinema somewhere in the world every day, every night for 50 years, it's very special. And it's not often you get to do that. You know, original stuff is very exciting to make. When you pick up something that's been around, you don't just pick up the product, you pick up everything that's attached to it.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
You pick up the legacy and the
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Luke, this being your first time on Broadway after having done a lot of work on the West End, I mean, people who work in New York and London sort of all have their kind of observations about the differences between the audiences. Are you kind of picking up on anything in particular? I mean. Yeah.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
You mean, are you saying, like, a Broadway audience compared to a West End audience?
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's what I'm asking. That's the question.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
So, fortunately, I can answer this very clearly, because two years ago, I did a play on the West End which was a comedy. So I have a very fresh memory of how audiences respond. And they're very gracious and they love the show, but they're much more contained in a very British way. You know, even though it's the 21st century. But, you know, there's a certain way British audiences are. And then there's a Broadway audience, which, like, it's another planet of energy that I wasn't expecting. You know, I've watched many, many shows. You know, there's this thing that American audiences do, Broadway audiences do, where, you know, every time the actor comes out for the first time in their. Here's a round of applause, you know, which it does not. It started to happen in the uk. Cause everything finally reaches us, but here it's a thing. It's like, yes, you're here. Well done.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
You know, I know you.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
And then they calm down. And of course, I'm playing Dr. Frank N. Furter, who has probably, like, as far as I can see, the best entrance of any male musical theater leading man could ever have on a stage. Right. And I have this wonderful moment, you know, which is so iconic in the film, and, you know, when there's a. This vamp that starts, and I would say 85% of the audience know what's coming next.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
And I'm standing behind a Shutter. And I can hear them starting to scream over my poor actor colleagues lines because they know he's about to arrive. That doesn't happen in the uk. It's very, very. It's like I said to you, it feels like I'm. I'm doing a rock concert every night in full, you know, Gene Simmons, Freddie Mercury, you know, and I stand there and I mean, it's a buzz of like nothing else I've ever done. And this show, you know, has an expectation behind it. You know, the audiences come expecting something, you know, and so you. All you have to do is deliver it and just absorb it and just try and feed off it, which is exactly what I'm trying to do every night.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Totally.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
We have a lot of steam we need to let off as a culture.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah, possibly. And this is the show to do it. I mean, the latest. Well and truly.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Everybody arrives at the theater having been
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
through it, truly, and they're ready to let you know that they're enjoying themselves. I mean, I wondered, Sam, this being your second production that you're opening on Broadway as a director, were there kind of like less sins from kind of the Omar experience that you're kind of applying now? Are these quite different beasts sort of
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
in, uh, they're totally different. I think they're united by a spirit of just wanting to absolutely delight sick, twisted people. Um, you know, and I mean, I mean that like they're mission aligned in I think their belief that everyone is deserving of a great night out at the theater that you could only get by putting your pants on and going into a room with strangers and all of the terror and joy that comes with that. Oh, Mary, however, was intended to exist in a small room for eight weeks with our dumb friends. And then something else happened.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Totally. Yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
So it has been a very different experience knowing from the beginning that we would make this on Broadway at Studio 54. And frankly, nobody knew what. Oh, Mary was totally right. You know, I was like, what the hell is it? Gay people and Mary Todd Lincoln? And this is like, oh, awes doing Star Wars.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yes, yes, yes.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
But I love working on Broadway. It's the second show I've directed, but it's crazily my tenth Broadway show as a something. It is for a thing that is in many ways for the masses and for hopefully people from all over and from many different experiences. It's just a lot of nice people coming to work every day, trying to solve problems and. And Studio 54 especially. And I don't know if this is because of the greatness of Roundabout, who is our producer, or just the Ghosts of Studio 54. It's really felt like making theater in a real way and not in a. Like, this is a Broadway musical, like. Like, sponsored by Pepsi. Like, that's not the vibe.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah, yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
So in a way, I think it's linked to Omari and frankly, other things that I'm the most proud of in that it's just felt like a process with people. Do you agree?
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I absolutely agree. And I think the. The marriage of the Rocky Horror show and this unique space that is Studio 54, it just. It's so poignant to me. I remember when. When we first spoke and you said, did they tell you where we're doing it? And I was like, no, no. And it's like Studio 54. And I was like, this just makes so much sense. Tell it why, even though it is a theater, you know, you walk through the stage door and you are literally on the stage. There's no sort of like formal little box with somebody inside getting you to sign. It's just like you are there. It's an intimate space. Even though there's a thousand plus people in the auditorium, you know, you walk in and there is an energy. There's a. The paint may be peeling backstage or you look up and you think you see something up there and you just think that's not been touched since 1982, you know, and it sort of feeds into the history of what we're doing and what we're bringing back to the stage in its original form. And it just feels very, very special. It feels like the theater is one of the cast in a way. It's not our place of performance. It's one of the. It's part of our show.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sam, this is maybe a slight tangent, but I understand that, like, you as a high schooler, would come into the city and volunteer as an usher at Studio 54.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
That's true.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
What do you remember of that experience?
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, I mean. Well, this was for. This was the incredible, iconic Sam Mendes production of Cabaret with Alan Cumming. And it was like the most formative experience of theater for me. That production.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And, yeah, I would come up on the weekends and volunteer usher and sit on the stairs in the mezzanine and watch Cabaret. It's really wild. But that production was. I don't know, I just had never seen a thing do what it did with musical theater, which up until that point was like a very specific kind of jazz hands thing. I couldn't believe I got to be there. It felt like naughty in a perfect way. And Studio 54 has always been my favorite theater, so the serendipity is bonkers.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
I did also want to ask about putting this amazing cast together. Like this ensemble is unbelievable. And I wondered actually sort of like which was maybe like the easiest part to cast and which kind of took you on a bit of a journey.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It very much. You know, I mentioned I spent a lot of time talking to people who love Rocky and hate Rocky and have feelings about Rocky. And one of the threads through all of it was that Rocky Horror has always been this kind of receptacle for folks who you're like, how did they end up here? It's what makes sense about it is that it doesn't make sense. Even when you watch the film, you're like, who are these people and how did they. How are they a family? And that is a thing that I love about casting, period. And making theater, period, is putting people together who you wouldn't expect to see together.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Totally.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And that felt really high Stakes for Rocky Horror. And so it was thinking about folks from different corners of experience. Right? Like from Broadway. Yes, but from drag, from, like, alt performance, from comedy, from film. I also, and I hope Luke agrees, like, I really believe in, like, kindness and generosity and collaboration, being in the front seat when you're making something, especially something challenging. And so I had a pretty fierce no assholes policy.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, good.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I take that seriously.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah, me too.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I vetted that seriously. And I succeeded.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
You did. I think we can stay.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I just. I think that being like, okay, so there are some people in the room who I know so well, like, you know, Amber Gray or Michaela J. Rodriguez. We've worked together quite a lot. There's people I've admired forever, Mr. Luke Evans. There's people who are a wild card in some ways. I think the hardest to cast was actually the Phantoms, the ensemble. And our ensemble, the amazing Larkin and Star and Radio and Paul and our amazing swings are such weird shape shifters. It's a part of the Rocky Horror show that can go in a million different directions. You know, in the film, it's like a ton of people in tuxedos and finding folks who were able to really dip into the unknown there because there's. It is a kind of undefined piece of it.
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Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
They're incredible.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
They're incredible. And they're playful and they're weird and they're different. And they. They host the audience with real generosity, which can be really scary sometimes. And that was like an old fashioned casting process. That was 5, 6, 7, 8, like, sing the song. We always, me and my collaborators, the choreographer and the music director, like, we always stand in the back and look at each other and we're like, we got them right.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
We nailed it. Amazing. Luke, in the story that Adrienne Miller wrote about the show for our April issue, you talked about how when you got the offer, to be Frank N. Furter, you were a bit nervous to tell your parents about this because both of them being devout Jehovah's Witnesses, and you were quite surprised by their action. I wonder, I guess, kind of how you understood the way that they kind of, like, embraced this part for you.
- [25:20]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah, well, I wasn't nervous to tell them because I've been doing this now for a very long time. They've. They just accept that anything could come out of my mouth about my next job or whatever it may be, and they just sort of. And I just let. Let it sit with them. But they happen to be in Lisbon with. With me and my Partner. And I always like to pass something by them because they see the world very differently. To me.
- [25:44]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sure.
- [25:44]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
They live in a terraced house in a very small village in South Wales. They will not move. They're very, very content. Their life on a map would be a dot that just does this. It doesn't move and they love it. But their world is small. It's not blinkered, but it's small. So it's very interesting to get an opinion from people who see the world like that. And obviously they're also religious, so there's that aspect as well, which all plays into why I'm always fascinated to see what their opinion would be. Of course, I have to give them the proper explanation of what the show is. They know it. They don't have any idea of what it was. And. And I said, well, I've been offered this thing and it's Broadway. And like, oh, Broadway. You've always wanted to do Broadway. Cause I started on the stage, you know, and I explained the show and I said, like, he's. He's an alien who has taken the form of a man, but loves to dress in women's clothes. He's a big character, but the show has been around for 50 years, and it's really captured a huge fan base. It's broken these records. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know what to do. What do you think? Just interested. Whether their opinion, their final opinion would have been. Would have swayed my opinion, I don't know. But I always want to hear what they have to say. They said, well, it sounds really special the way I described it. They realized, yes, you should do it. And so then I chatted to you that night.
- [26:58]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Yes, I cried in a parking lot when you told me that story. But I remember you called me and you were like, I've talked to my parents about it.
- [27:05]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Yeah, they happened to be here.
- [27:07]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was so.
- [27:08]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It was moving because it's. And I just says it says a lot about who my parents are. You know, they have their. Their beliefs and their. Their life and however small and quaint and content it is, but they were able to look outside their bubble, see my world, and have. Have a very level, calm, excited opinion on what I could potentially be doing next year. And. And I just thought it was beautiful and it was a lovely thing to. To hear that come out of their mouths.
- [27:37]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
I love that as someone who truly cannot walk in heels at all, like, like really, really can't. Not even a block heel. I would love to know, like, how long it took you to sort of like what sort of the rehearsal process was, like in the shoes that you're wearing in this show and also like how physically painful that was.
- [27:55]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Well, I mean, it's not easy, as anybody who wears heels will tell you. I came over in December for a fitting. I was here for four days. And the wardrobe design, the costume designer, David Reynoso and his assistant Matthew, they associate Matthew gave me a pair of boots to take home and they were a 6 inch stiletto heel boot just so I could try wearing them. By the, by the way, I was shooting a TV show in Wales back in the uk, so. And I wear, I wore suits through the whole show. So I'd come home at night, take off my, my clothes and then put a pair of boots on and make dinner. And it changes everything about you. Your posture, the muscles in your legs start to activate, core muscles to stabilize you because you're basically tipping forward the whole time in these heels. And they were six inch heels anyway, I thought, okay, I'm ready to start rehearsals. And then of course, two weeks into rehearsals, I go for a fitting and they show me these 7 inch platform boots. Like, okay, well this is a whole different, this is a whole different animal. But you learn, you learn. And I, what I love about them mostly is that I walk very differently out of heels. But as soon as I put them on. And by the way, I'd never worn heels before. I mean, I tried my mum's on probably.
- [29:14]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
You've really fooled us all.
- [29:15]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Everybody thinks other life that no one's worked out. I have where I, you know, I wear heels all the time, but I, I don't. But I worked out the trick of where you place your weight, how you can do it sexily. Because Frank, you know, he can't strut around the stage and he's gotta work out how to do it. But there's something that happens when you put these boots on to me. And I thought I would feel really self conscious.
- [29:41]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
- [29:42]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Very uncomfortable, very nervous and vulnerable. And literally none of those things happened when I put them on. I felt confident, I felt strong, I felt powerful, I felt tall. And it made my shoulders go back and I was like, wow, you know, I mean, I wouldn't want to wear them for more than two hours a night.
- [30:03]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
- [30:04]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
But there's something special about heels, you know, and they really are, they inform me from how I sound, how I walk, how I feel. It affects everything. So, yeah, it's been a journey. But I love wearing them now.
- [30:19]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
You're working. It's very striking to see you walking around the stage. It's inspiring.
- [30:24]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Frank, thanks.
- [30:26]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
And I mean, I also wanted to ask a little bit about, like, the experience of doing our shoot with Norman, Jean Roy, and Tawny, just because I will say, like, obviously we. We run a lot of theater stories. We love all of them. We don't get the response to pictures that we get that we got to this one all the time. You know what I mean? Like, the eyeballs to the story were unprecedented for a theater feature. And I just wanted to hear actually just a little bit about that shoot day. Like, being with the cast, being with those.
- [30:54]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
So exciting.
- [30:55]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was also first time everyone had met Ghost, which was. Yeah, it was the most incredible icebreaker.
- [31:03]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's so funny. That does happen with these shoots.
- [31:06]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was so incredible. And I'm not just saying this because I'm on the Vogue podcast. Like, Tawny and Norman got it on a molecular level.
- [31:16]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's a dream.
- [31:16]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I have to be honest, like, I was like, oh, dear, we're gonna do this shoot before we've made the show. And, like, that feels really tricky because we don't know what it, you know.
- [31:25]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [31:27]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And we were able to talk in advance in this, like, purely creative way. And I just felt like they understood it at the root.
- [31:36]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Amazing.
- [31:36]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And I feel like I certainly came into it with a fair amount of fear on the day. And I saw everybody and I saw all of the stuff and I was like, oh, it's like the DNA of the thing we're doing. Somehow I actually feel like that shoot set a path for making the show in a way that I didn't totally expect.
- [31:58]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I agree. I 100% agree. I mean, my journey to that day was I'd landed the evening before with my dog, my partner, my luggage moved into our house, woke up jet lagged to hell. I was like, I'm gonna go do a photo shoot for Vogue now, and I'm gonna meet the whole cast. Oh, and by the way, I'm gonna go behind a screen and I'm gonna come out for the first time and see everyone, including the Vogue team, which is huge in stilettos, fishnets, and a leotard standing behind. And there was a small mirror and Michael, who was styling me and dressing me, and I just went, you know, I don't know anybody behind this polystyrene wall.
- [32:39]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, my God.
- [32:39]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
He's like, really? Have you not met them before?
- [32:41]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
I was like, perfect stranger.
- [32:43]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Now I have to do it. And I remember just. I think that's where the courage started. In the moment, that confidence. I thought, well, this is it. I mean, this is how I'm gonna have to live and be in front of these people who I'm gonna learn to love, and they're gonna love me, and we're gonna become a family. But right now, this is the biggest baptism of fire I could ever wish to experience. And I walked out. Remember? I was.
- [33:04]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, it was. I remember there was a moment you, like, got off the elevator in that, like, leotard and those heels and those pearls and were, like, strutting towards me. And you went into the room with Norman, and I texted anitaj, the choreographer, and I said, we're gonna be just fine. It was incredible. It was like this arrival of, like, okay, there's no turning back.
- [33:25]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
There was no turning back. And it was a very interesting way to meet your colleagues.
- [33:32]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was amazing. Yeah.
- [33:33]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
And it was a very fun day. It was sort of how Vogue shoots in my dreams were meant to play. Totally.
- [33:40]
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- [33:40]
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- [33:41]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
A room full of makeup artists and everybody. One minute I saw Juliet, and then I saw her again. I didn't even recognize her. She had all this amazing makeup, and everybody went through this transformation. And I have to say, the photographs are incredible.
- [33:56]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Incredible.
- [33:57]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I had dinner with Anna Wintour before it came out, and she'd seen the pictures, and I could just see in her heart that something special had occurred on that day. Because Anna doesn't give out compliments easily. She's very contained, and I love that about her. But there was a moment at dinner, and she just went, you're gonna be very happy with the pictures. And I was like.
- [34:18]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And we were able to really, actually be impulsive and creative in a way that I didn't know was like, remember that photo of us that ended up getting published? We were just taking a shot together, and you were like, should I pull my trousers down?
- [34:30]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Well, you know why?
- [34:30]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Because I. So it was a strange structure to the day. They put me in full costume and leotard and fishnets and makeup and everything. And then they said, we're now gonna do a formal look between you, and,
- [34:42]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
yeah, we're gonna put you in a tanforward suit.
- [34:44]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
And they said, but the problem is you are then gonna have to go back into the Frank costume or the Frank costume that Tony had envisioned.
- [34:50]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Sure, sure.
- [34:51]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I was like, it's 4:30. I am not taking this costume off. Cause it was not easy to get into. You tucking bits in, not skagging the tights putting the boots on that were laced up. So I just. I went, well, I'll just put the Tom Ford suit over the top. You're not gonna be able to see that. And then we did the image, which was wonderful. And then I just said I was, like, just gonna tell you that I do have the full Frank outfit underneath. And she was like, you're kidding me. I went, I should just drop my trousers. No. And Teddy was like, we're doing this, Norman. We're gonna do this. And that's the picture that ended up becoming the first picture in the interview.
- [35:25]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, my God, it's so good.
- [35:27]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It was amazing.
- [35:28]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
So good. Oh, that's amazing. And, well, given the adrenaline of the show and these long rehearsal hours, how are you actually? And you've said that you are texting a lot and sort of talking about details after you're done. Like, how else are you kind of, like, unwinding at the end of the day at this point?
- [35:46]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, gosh, do you unwind?
- [35:48]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I mean, here's the thing. I said this to my collaborators last night as we were kind of banging our heads against a wall about something absolutely stupid. It was like, you know, I'm so sorry that we all have to make an amazingly fun Broadway musical. It's cheesy, but I genuinely love what I do. I love it. And right now, we are at the World cup of what we do. So I'm not, like, advocating for destroying our bodies and our minds, but actually, I am addicted to this part of it. I want to be in it. I know that's not sustainable at this frequency forever, but right now, as we're still making it, I actually. I want to keep talking about it. I want to keep solving the puzzle. I'm nourished by that.
- [36:39]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I feel exactly the same.
- [36:41]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
- [36:41]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It's like I'm swimming in a really perfectly temperate pool, and I don't want to get out of it because it doesn't feel right to get out. And I feel like if I stay in there, I'm safe. And I feel that way right now. And, you know, like, just for example, like, last night, I've texted you at midnight. At 9am this morning, I texted you again. You know, it's like my brain doesn't want to leave this world.
- [37:05]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
But you texted me about a thing I was already thinking about.
- [37:07]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, my God, always. By the way, I always go, I shouldn't take this, because he knows this, but I just can't help myself. But I'm. Because my head is in that Space as well. And it is a lovely place to be right now where you, you know, you just love where you're at and who you're playing. And to have dialogue is a wonderful thing. It just feels like such a collaborative experience to everybody, and everybody brings it every day, and I really love the people I'm working with.
- [37:38]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
If you'll forgive me for making a brief foray back into Omari land, just because all of us are so excited about Maya Rudolph joining the cast, like, we cannot resist it. I, like, watched her on Colbert on my computer last night. Just extremely giddy. I did just wonder about what transitioning from Mary to marry kind of looks like. What is that process? Cause you've obviously done it a lot of times with such different performers, such brilliant performers. What does that look like on the back end?
- [38:54]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Sure. I mean, it's been. When we first made Omari, we were not thinking at all about anybody playing the part other than Cole or our amazing understudy, Hannah Solo. And I actually said this because we started rehearsal with Maya on Tuesday.
- [39:08]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, my gosh.
- [39:09]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And when we all gathered together, I said, you know, when Cole and I were first making Omar, we were like, well, no one will ever play this part other than Cole. I mean, no one could really do it other than, I don't know, like, Maya Rudolph. So we're really eating our words now.
- [39:23]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Insane.
- [39:25]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
But I think the thing that I've learned over the kind of seasons of doing O Mary is Mary. Tod Lincoln is such an amazing character. There's no one like her, much like Dr. Frank N. Furter. She is a character who is largely misunderstood by the world, who knows that she contains greatness, who wants to show the world and the audience all of the things she's capable of. Much like Dr. Frank N. Furter. Indeed.
- [39:50]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Indeed.
- [39:51]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And that describes literally all of my favorite actors. Right. And so the joy of casting it, from Jane Krakowski to Jinkx Monsoon to Titus Burgess to Betty Gilpin to John Cameron Mitchell, I mean, it goes on and on and on, is finding weirdo geniuses who contain multitudes that the world hasn't yet seen. And because it uses the full toolbox of someone, much like Dr. Frank and Furner. So it's been, you know, it continues to be this amazing puzzle of who can surprise us and surprise themselves. And it's a part that can be played by anyone crazy enough to do it. I mean, we have Maya Rudolph and Catherine Tate going into the role within three days of each other.
- [40:41]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It's genius.
- [40:42]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
I've described on our, like, work Slack o Mary as kind of like alt Chicago, like Whitney's amazing. Sort of like that just gags everyone in the world. Anyway, so we're very excited. I'm just sort of wondering if there are any shows that you kind of associate with a level of nostalgia that you would just love to see revived.
- [41:03]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
I have a real sweet spot for this is a nerdy, but I have a real sweet spot for you're a good man, Charlie Brown.
- [41:11]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, my God. Adorable.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Talk about nostalgia. I was in it in high school. I was a very miscast Charlie Brown. Like, obviously I'm a Snoopy or Linus. And actually, in the same vein, I mean, this is my favorite musical unironically, which is Annie.
- [41:27]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Oh, my God. I had that thought, too.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
It's a perfect musical. Annie is a warm hug. Like, when the world is falling apart, we still have Annie, you know, and luckily we have, like, many different versions of Annie. So that to me is like, I always want to be embraced by Annie.
- [41:44]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Perfect answer.
- [41:45]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I know mine. It's nine. Oh, my God. Selfishly, of course.
- [41:50]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
That's a great part for you.
- [41:51]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I have always loved that idea big time. And I think it deserves a revival.
- [42:02]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Has anyone ever asked you to do it? I'm gonna be so mad when they do after this podcast bubbles of stuff
- [42:07]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I've heard, but nothing has ever come of it, but. And it took me a moment to really, like, think about that show and how it fits into this world right now, you know, And I think it could be really, really interesting. And of course, selfishly, it's the main character.
- [42:24]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
No, it's such an amazing musical.
- [42:25]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I think it's a very, very clever musical. I just think it's very clever.
- [42:30]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
That's junaise.
- [42:31]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I think I would love to.
- [42:33]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Oh, it's such an amazing world. It's so funny. I was talking to Juliet, Juliet Lewis yesterday about adaptations of Fellini, which is the most obnoxious sentence I've ever said in my entire life. But we were talking about. Cause there's A few musicals that have come from Fellini and it's just like the greatest world to dip into. Oh my God, let's start the Luke Evans in nine campaign.
- [42:55]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Honestly, I'm like, I'm available.
- [42:58]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Anything. Look, let's make it happen. And I mean, I guess finally you mentioned Luke, how when you're sort of doing the stage door and you're meeting people of all ages, but certainly young people, what I guess advice do both of you have for people who want to go into the musical theater? Honestly, like who in this day and age are like, that is the world I want to be in. But where do I start? How do you kind of advise?
- [43:22]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
Well, I can only go on my experience of how I did it. I got into a college when I was young. You don't have to be young, but if you are and you have that very clear idea that that's what you want to do, college is a very important part of the process, I think because as you get older, you don't go back to formal training. You may have a teacher or you do like a class a week, but you know, formal college, when you actually go and do it six hours a day, five days a week, you can't do anything wrong. You're just always learning. You're absorbing, absorbing, absorbing. It's also a safe space and you're surrounded by like minded people, wonderful teachers if you're very lucky. I had some amazing teachers throughout the three years I was in college. And it's a good place to learn a lot. Not deeply, but to learn a lot about a lot about different parts of the business. And then you, you finesse as you go through and you work out what you really want to do. And sometimes during those years you go, I'm going to be a singer or I want to be, I want to join a contemporary dance company or I want to write or I don't want anything to do with this business after I leave. And that is absolutely fine because it is not an easy business.
- [44:32]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Sure.
- [44:32]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
It's not fair. So you need to be incredibly resilient. I was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness, so we had doors slammed in our faces from me being in a stroller through to being a 15 year old hating knocking someone's door. So, you know, having not getting a job for me was just like, all right, fine, there's another door next door and we'll knock another one. You know, and coming to Broadway and seeing how alive and loved and big the community is here and how people just they eat it up every day from a Monday night through to a Sunday matinee.
- [45:07]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Yeah.
- [45:08]
Luke Evans (Star of Rocky Horror Show)
I love it. It's really special. Yeah.
- [45:11]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And it's lovely to experience theater, not Broadway theater. Live performance is the opposite of the robots taking over. Right. Like, it is the opposite. And I'm. I think that is worthwhile. And a life in it can look a lot of different ways. I mean, I love what you say, Luke, about, like, actually finding the thing that lights you up. I don't. I mean, I went to musical theater school and I hated it. I was terrible at it.
- [45:36]
Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
So what?
- [45:37]
Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
And it was heartbreaking because I thought that's all I wanted. And, you know, but. But it stoked a curiosity that then pointed me in other directions and actually taught me what I did love or what did light me up. I think that there's. I think, you know, if. If something feels good, maybe that's because it's good. If you want to do something, maybe that's because you. You should. Mm.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
Thank you, guys.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Thanks, Riley.
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
It was so fun. And that's it for the run through. See you next week.
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Sam Pinkleton (Director of Rocky Horror Show)
Wherever you get your podcasts.
- [47:35]
Podcast Host/Advertiser
Happy baking
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Interviewer (likely from Vogue or The New Yorker Radio Hour)
from prx.