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Arden Fanning Andrews
This episode of the Run through is brought to you by ebay. I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. Everyone's talking about tassels right now, and that's the moment that I end up typing it into ebay. I found the perfect vintage triple chain belt with golden tassels, and it just looks so elegant, timeless. And it's on the way in the mail to me, thanks to ebay.
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Pharrell Williams
Foreign.
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Chloe Mel
I'm Chloe. Mel.
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Chominadi
And I'm Chominadi.
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Chloe Mel
And this is the run through.
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Chominadi
So we're in full Met Gala mode here. And so it just only makes sense that we should talk to one of our co chairs this year.
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Chloe Mel
Choma and I have been really looking forward to this interview, and we had such an amazing time chatting with Pharrell, who happened to be in Dubai when we spoke. And everyone, I'm sure, knows now that Shoma spoke to Pharrell for this month's cover story. Anything that you always take away from interviewing Pharrell that stands out to you?
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Chominadi
I'm always sort of fascinated by the way he is able to kind of switch gears in his brain and just the sort of bigness of his thinking and his imagination. Like, he's always kind of thinking beyond this world. Yeah, I like that. And this sort of audaciousness of that. He's always thinking, well, how can we do X? You know, how can we push it further? His energy is always. Is always kind of infectious and inspiring, you know, and it doesn't hurt when you walk in on him and he's, like, making a song, you know? Like, he is like our Quincy Jones. Like, he's so. I mean, his influence on culture from all angles is just so impressive. So it's quite intimidating, if I'm honest.
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Chloe Mel
Yeah, but he seems really excited to get to the first Monday in May, and I can't wait to see what he's doing.
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Chominadi
I need to know what he's wearing. He gave nothing away. I asked him that in the interview, and he gave nothing away. He's just like, I'm excited to wear it.
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Chloe Mel
Okay, well, here is our interview with the one and only Pharrell.
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Chominadi
Congratulations on your role as a. As a Met Gala co chair and obviously for the fabulous May issue. How are you doing?
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Pharrell Williams
I'm grateful.
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Chloe Mel
Well, it looks amazing, and I have to say, we had four incredible May issue covers. Colman Domingo, Lewis Hamilton, A$AP Rocky, and yourself. But yours was, I have to say, a special situation with the indomitable Henry Taylor. Painting it. How did that come about. I know that he's a longtime love of yours.
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Pharrell Williams
I want to say. Anna asked me what I thought about it and I was like, well, yeah, obviously I want the painting.
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Chominadi
Exactly. I was gonna say, where is this painting gonna end up? Cause it's so fab.
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Pharrell Williams
Hopefully it's in route.
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Chominadi
Wow. Amazing.
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Pharrell Williams
I just thought it would be interesting for it to be an African American, world renowned, celebrated painter. It's awesome. And I'm honored to be his subject.
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Chloe Mel
Did you help him choose sort of what look you'd be wearing? Did you sit for a portrait? What was the process?
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Pharrell Williams
That's not how Henry works. You know Henry, he has his own ideas about how he wants to do things and what he wants to communicate. And I think we're all just very lucky participants and or bystanders.
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Chloe Mel
And you've collaborated together before for Vuitton or.
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Pharrell Williams
Yes, I was buying a painting of his and I just liked his work and I thought it would be interesting for him to come and do something at the house. And what I didn't know that, you know, a couple years before then he had actually already done like a one off thing with the brand. But here I wanted to make what he does and who he is more visible and, you know, really help put his name in lights as much as we could contribute to it.
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Chominadi
So this year's theme is obviously tailored for you and it's inspired by the institute's exhibit Superfine Tailoring Black Style. And I know we've talked a lot in our interview, and I wish everybody could have eased up on that conversation because it was, it was such a. I'll paint the picture for everyone. I walked in on Pharrell singing, composing work for John Legend, which was such a magical experience to see Pharrell at work, kind of to see how he multitasks. So that was a, a wonderful moment. And we were talking a bit about the, the gala. It's not your first time co chairing, but I wanted to ask you a little bit about what this New Year's theme means to you.
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Pharrell Williams
Well, I think that it is. First of all, we're also very thankful to Anna, but I'll never forget right after my first show, she just said, you know, I want you to co chair the Met Gala in 25. And this was in 23.
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Chominadi
Wow.
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Pharrell Williams
Right after my show, she was like, you know, we had breakfast over at the Ritz as we usually do whenever she comes in town. And like, you know, we talk about a whole host of things. And then at that particular Time. That's what she said to me. She was like, I want you to host it, but you got to keep it secret. Don't tell anybody. And I'm like, what's the theme? She says, I wanted to be based on dandyism. And I was like, okay, wow. Because that's what my whole. You know, it's one of the things that I brought to Vuitton. When I got there, I knew I wanted to, you know, celebrate dandy, you know, people who walk the walk who really lived that life of, like, attention to detail and high sophisticated taste buds, you know? And so when she said that to me, I was like, oh, this is great. Like, this is going to be amazing. And the interim between then and now, it has been, like, this really amazing journey since then. They involved Monica Miller and who brought in the book Super Fine is just turned into this whole thing. And you think about, like, the other co chairs, the cast of characters, it's just grown. I'm just honored because she said that to me after my show, you know, like, I'm like, okay, not, you know, for my first show. It must be. I must be doing something right, you know? Yeah. The views on that show was like, the most viewed fashion show ever of all time.
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Chloe Mel
Choma and I interviewed Will Welch the morning after because he had been there. Yeah. And he was saying that it just. He had never had an experience at Men's Week when there had been a moment that felt like the entire world was watching.
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Chominadi
Yeah.
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Chloe Mel
And that was really unique.
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Pharrell Williams
It was crazy.
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Chloe Mel
Pharrell, I have a question. You're having breakfast with Anna at the Ritz. It's 2023. And she says, I want the Met exhibition to be a focus on dandyism. When you hear that word, what does it mean to you? What does it sort of evoke in you personally? How would you describe it to someone who maybe doesn't have a familiarity with it?
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Pharrell Williams
One who is very accustomed to the sport of getting dressed.
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Chloe Mel
That's a great way to put it.
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Chominadi
Yeah.
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Pharrell Williams
The sport of knowing where you're going, what the climate is like, and what the temperature is, that's a sport. And, you know, between all of those details is the attention to the very specific things and the appreciation of those things. That's dandyism. And living that life. You know, the sport of getting dressed, that's dandyism. And when things are very well done and very well considered and sophisticated in their execution, well, then that is dandy. Like, yeah.
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Chominadi
And, I mean, I'm looking at you now And I always have to ask about your fit because you dress with such intentionality. And every. Everything is nothing looks like it's nothing is. Try hard, but everything is intentional. Tell us about, like, where are you? Where are you speaking from? And like, what inspired your look today?
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Pharrell Williams
Well, this is live from Dubai.
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Chloe Mel
Oh, wow.
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Chominadi
Wow.
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Pharrell Williams
We just came in here from the boat to. To do this interview because this is like super important.
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Chloe Mel
Thank you.
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Chominadi
Thank you.
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Pharrell Williams
But this is like a, you know, a saturated cranberry human made hat. This is a Polo. This is Garm General. You can find both of these pieces in the store. Maybe in more subtle colors. You can see the damier in here. But in person, this reads as just tone on tone. So you can't really see the damier. But because of the screen and the fact that we're on a computer or we're zooming, you're able to read that. So I think it's easier for you to see. And then all of the buttons are pearl.
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Chominadi
Pearl. I love the pearl buttons. The pearl buttons might be my favorite detail.
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Chloe Mel
And for people who may not know, the damier is the classic Vuitton checkerboard sort of tone on tone. Checkerboard. That. You're right. It really does read well on screen. And I bet that in person it's a little bit more subtle.
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Pharrell Williams
Yeah.
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Chloe Mel
What are you doing in Dubai, if I may ask?
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Pharrell Williams
You know what? It was just my 52nd lap around the sun.
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Chominadi
Ooh, Happy birthday.
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Chloe Mel
Happy lap around the sun.
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Chominadi
Thank you.
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Pharrell Williams
52 laps. So I just wanted to come here because I'm, you know, working with the government here, and we're doing, like, some really interesting, awesome things. So I figured I would meet and treat myself at the same time.
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Chominadi
We'll be back with more Pharrell right after a quick break.
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Arden Fanning Andrews
The other day, I, like, went on a real ebay spree. There's this huge push for, like, 80s opulence and 80s sort of glamour, and we're going to see that returning. And so I was already kind of tapped into that just from my gorgeous ebay watch list. And I found a really beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s and a really great Miu Miu kilt Bee's great Dior boots. And I'm combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting doesn't require something that's gonna be, like, produced in the future. Sometimes you can, like, tap into the past and tap into the archive as well. That's what makes ebay a fun place to actually discover things, because you're not going in with something so specific in mind, but you have an idea of what you're interested in or what you're excited about or, you know, just truly trend forecasting. And so one thing that I would say people should be watching out for is, like, very opulent, 80s style.
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Chominadi
It must be fun to sort of like, change hats all the time and be doing different creative pursuits, man.
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Pharrell Williams
Listen, I am honored. I am so honored. I'm so honored that I get to do what I actually really love. And I want this for everyone. I do. I really do. Man, do what you love. Find a vocation connected to something that you love. You will show up with a smile on your face every day, and you'll be the last person that leaves the job every day when everyone's telling you, can we just please go home? You will be the last person that is, like, great, because there's so many people who make so much more money, but they hate their lives. It's like, what's the point, you know, of all that money and all that materiality and superficiality if you don't. If you can't enjoy yourself, it's like, man, don't think about the money. Think about the passion and find a vocation connected to it. And if you can do that, I promise you, man, that is the recipe for a good, happy life.
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Chloe Mel
Okay? I'm very inspired by that. But I also have questions. How do you actually fit all those things in your day? I'm just curious about how you're moving between different passions and things that you love doing.
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Pharrell Williams
Because it's a busy life. What I don't do is I don't have a lot of, like, hangout time.
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Chloe Mel
Okay.
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Pharrell Williams
Like, I don't hang out. I don't do a lot of hanging out. I do a lot of working.
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Chloe Mel
Okay.
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Pharrell Williams
I do a lot of researching, But I do it with people who are, like, better than me, smarter than me. So I'm always learning and I'm always having fun. So, yeah, I might call the shots, but I want to have people who are much smarter than me. It's like running track. It's like you get faster by running with people who are faster than you, you know? So it's the same thing with, like, the mental muscle. It's the same thing. It's a muscle, right? You get faster and your processing gets better and more comprehensive when you're around people who have more comprehensive thoughts and who are faster and who are quicker and more efficient and have efficient ways of doing things. Like, that's what I spend My time doing. I want to spend my time being better, you know, circling the sun 50 times. My whole thing is like, okay, for the next 50, all I want to do is be better. I don't want to. I spent the first 50, like I learned a lot, but I, you know, hung out and did a bunch of things that were cool. It was life and I lived it and I enjoyed it. But now it's about doubling down and tripling down and being the best individual that I can be. That's the reason why we spend so much time with human race. We're working on like a lot of longevity things. I mean, everything from like patches that deliver, you know, vitamins to, you know, professional walking shoes to, you know, actual running shoes, street running shoes. Like, I'm super focused on that. Supplements.
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Chominadi
I know you work out and you, you know, you're, you're, you have a mindfulness practice.
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Pharrell Williams
I know, yeah, 100%.
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Chominadi
Yeah. What is, what is sort of like.
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Chloe Mel
Take us through, what's the morning routine?
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Chominadi
Yeah, what's the. I, I know this morning routine actually it's very early, very early.
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Pharrell Williams
I wake up at four. Okay, working out. I work out at five.
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Chloe Mel
What happens from four to five, if I may ask?
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Pharrell Williams
Four to five, you waking up. I, I read, pretty much watch the news. I just keeping up with what's going on in the different various sectors like art and things that just like, you know, things that just like make my world turn. And you know, I check up on these things and just get like a daily calibration of what's happening. And then at 5:00 I train like, you know, I got a five minute plank. I take an hour long super hot bath. That's where you sweat. Like that's, that's like imperative to me. And then round six, I'm like taking a shower and getting ready. You know, I'm going to see my kids right around seven before they leave for school. And then I'm over at vuitton Somewhere between 8 and 9, sometimes at 8 and sometimes I'm there like right at 9 and I don't stop until I leave at around 7. And I either have dinner out or I have dinner at the house, but I'm in bed by 9, 9:30 and I'm snoring by 10:30. And then I'm back up at 4:00 in the morning. That's what I do.
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Chominadi
Wait, I have a question and I'm dying to know what. Do you listen, do you listen to music when you work out or what's the. What is your, like, what gets you in the kind of mood for working out?
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Pharrell Williams
When I'm planking, I use the stopwatch because that's what keeps me going. Right? I mean. Cause five minutes is like, you know.
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Chloe Mel
That'S a crazy plank.
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Chominadi
Five minutes. It's not like my stomach hurts.
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Pharrell Williams
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's the way I count it down. That's what helps me.
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Chominadi
So no music?
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Pharrell Williams
Nah, no music.
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Chloe Mel
Well, I'm fascinated by going straight into a really hot bath as part of the workout practice. I think that makes a lot of sense. But that's a long.
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Pharrell Williams
You burn. Yeah, you burn. You burn so much. You're sweating. You definitely lose like four or five pounds of like, water weight right then and there because you're sweating. It's totally worth it. It's like, it's great. And it helps you, you know, with your definition. And if you care about definition. I do. I'm a little vain when it comes to that, you know? Yeah. I love definition. And when I don't get it, it's a real. That I will cut back. I will cut back. Like right now, I'm pescatarian four years straight. Just because I like to challenge myself with things here and there. And the other thing that I negated to say is when I'm working, I fast, so I only really eat once a day.
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Chloe Mel
Oh, wow.
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Chominadi
Wow.
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Pharrell Williams
Yeah, so I just eat at like 7 o'clock at night and maybe on the weekends I may have lunch just to have it with my kids, but most of the time I'm fasting, you know, for. For 24 hours.
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Chloe Mel
Wow. Well, I'm curious what. I mean, you moved your whole family to Paris two years ago. What is their. What is your routine with them? Like, in Paris, it's different, but, you.
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Pharrell Williams
Know, I. I can't complain. You know, we still have our place in Miami, and whenever we have time off, we often go down there for a week or two weeks or whatever. You know, the kids love it, but, you know, this is just. Paris is the center of the earth for me right now. And not just Louis Vuitton, but just in general. There's like, I got a lot of business there. You know, human race is there. Human race is there in Paris, it's in Italy. You know, it's going to be in career same time. Like just. There's just. We're more global citizens than anything right now. You know, I'm always going to be American and I'm always going to love America. And America's off the chain right now, but all good. You know, it is what it is. Uh, but I, you know, I'm always gonna be American, like America made me, but I know that I'm a child of the planet now.
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Chominadi
I mean, there were so many highlights of our conversation, but there was one quote that really, really stuck with me that was actually in the piece, and it was like when you said, I want it to feel. And this is talking specifically about the Met Gala. I want it to feel like the most epic night of power, a reflection of black resiliency in a world that continues to be colonized. We also spoke about Kendrick Lamar and about the super Bow. I just kind of wanted to talk to you about specifically about what that night will mean and what impact you want it to have.
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Pharrell Williams
It's going to be a very impactful, beautiful night where we celebrate, you know, the color black. We celebrate the things that come from that color. We celebrate the mentality, we celebrate the plight, we celebrate the progress and the success, and we. We celebrate the potential. And we see it in all different, you know, forms, right? From authors to architects to artists to academics to amazing and the athletes all a words. But, yeah, that's what that night is all about. It's like the best of the best. Top of the top, top of the top, best of the best. That's the. That's what I want it to feel like. And I want those photos to feel. I want. I want the viewer to feel that power. If Anna's going to give us the platform, we got to make great usage of it. And that's. That's what that night is going to be. The manifestation of using the platform to celebrate us and all of our enthusiasts. Right? That mean. That means people who are not necessarily black, but just like, you know, enthusiasts of the black culture, enthusiasts of the black color, and enthusiasts of the. Everything that has something to do with black and brown.
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Chominadi
So we're going to take a quick break right now. We'll be back in a moment.
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Arden Fanning Andrews
I like ebay for one of a kind items, things that feel limited edition or collections that can't be found in stores. And with the ebay authenticity guarantee, I know that when it arrives, it's real. It is a piece that is coming from the designer's collection, the designer's archive. One of the biggest conversation points for some of the parties that I'll go to during Fashion Week are the pieces that I'm getting off of ebay. Everyone's a little bit intrigued and excited whenever they hear that you were able to find something on this digital treasure hunt.
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Chloe Mel
This is your sixth MET Gala, and as we said, second co chairing. Do you have a memory from your first time you went? Anything that surprised you about the event?
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Pharrell Williams
I just thought it was a powerful room, you know, it was the who's who. And especially when, like, the themes. When people are. When people adhere to the themes in a good way. Because sometimes, like, it'd be a little janky and weird, you know, like, people be doing a little too much, you know, they end up coming there looking like, you know, Teletubby meets Yo Gabba Gabba meets Sesame street, and they be dead serious. Like, they really doing something. It's like, dude, you know, and that stuff doesn't age well either.
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Arden Fanning Andrews
No.
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Pharrell Williams
Like, you know, but when. When there are years when. When people have, like, the right interpretations, it's like a really nice room to be in because it's great people, Great, sophisticated taste buds. But I think what Anna does really well is that it's always people with generally good taste.
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Chominadi
Are there any themes or looks on other people that stand out to you from years where you were like, damn, that looked amazing.
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Pharrell Williams
I think Rihanna always just comes through with the blowtorch. Rocky too. Rocky too. You know, that Carl homage was crazy.
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Chominadi
Yeah, that's great.
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Pharrell Williams
But I think those two, they come through with the blowtorch. They come set everything on fire.
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Chominadi
I love talking to you about your life growing up in Virginia beach and that quote about feeling like a firefly in a preserve jar. And this idea that your imagination kind of, like, was more outsized than, you know, where you were. And also, in piece by piece, when you talk about, you talk about your grandmother actually recognizing that you. You had this talent or that you were going to be someone in this world. Like, tell us a bit about what it was like to sort of, like, have that bigger vision of yourself when you were younger.
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Pharrell Williams
I didn't have that bigger vision of myself. I thought everybody saw things the same way. I didn't realize that something was different until things just started going in a way for me that I couldn't explain anymore. That's when I was like, oh, something's happening and something is different. And I don't know what this is, and I don't know how long it lasts, but I want to do it forever. I think it's fun. That was it. I just stayed focused on the music. And, like, the music, the music's taken me here. It's like being on a sailboat. But not steering, allowing the winds and the steering of the boat to be led by fate and what is written, but just keeping your head down and doing the work. And you look up, one day you're in this country, one day you look up, and one day you're in that country. It's like, that's literally. Literally what happened. I wish I could say that I charted all this, but I didn't chart any of this. You know, I am here by the grace of God. You know, the universe saw it fit. And for anybody that doesn't believe in God, that's totally cool, because the universe for me is God. And if I can't say that I am in control of this, whatever the odds are, I want to believe that the universe has some order and the odds and this is the way that it's landed for me. These are all the places that I've been able to see. And frequently it's harder to explain it any other way than I don't have the answers. There's nothing more divine than the ubiquitous nature of the universe. It is ever expanding, and it is infinite. There's no other way to describe divine order.
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Chloe Mel
I wonder about your next menswear collection for Vuitton. The divine order of that. Is there any.
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Chominadi
Yes. Nice segue.
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Chloe Mel
Anyway, inspirations you're sort of charting right now, things that are guiding you that you can share with us, can't we?
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Pharrell Williams
I can't do it.
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Chloe Mel
Okay. I wonder if there's any colleagues or fellow fashion designers whose work you are loving recently, who you've been sort of excited by and following.
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Pharrell Williams
Super excited for Matthew Blase over at Chanel. I think he's gonna crush it. Right. And I think he's gonna shake the business up so great. And I think that they're gonna give him all the resources to do that, and I think it's gonna be great. I love what he does. Very, very happy for my brother. Jonathan Anderson going over to Dior. He is going to crush Crush. I mean, we're all fans of Loewe, and it's going to be interesting to see where that goes after he leaves because he left an indelible mark. But Jonathan Anderson is going to crush it over at Dior.
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Chloe Mel
Crush.
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Pharrell Williams
I am very excited to see what Demna does over at Gucci with my brother, Stefano Cantino. Stefano is a. A brilliant marketer. So the fact that, like, this guy that comes from, like, marketing and communications is actually the CEO of a house is just one of the most brilliant things. And I think Mr. Pinot did a really good job of casting the character of Stefano Cantino to be CEO over there. And Stefano was brilliant in his casting of Demna because Demna is going to crush it. And I cannot wait to see what he does. Cannot wait. I adore Martine Rose. I love her stuff.
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Chloe Mel
She's making Choma's Met Look. We're very excited.
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Pharrell Williams
Listen, she's the fucking best. She's hands down the best. Rei Kawakubo for me, yeah, is just the deity. She's just like, not even this. Just stratospheric. Like, she's just something else. And it's only going to get better and better and better and better and better. And I'm very excited about something over there as well. Very excited.
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Chominadi
She just showed a collection that. I mean, everybody.
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Chloe Mel
People were in tears.
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Pharrell Williams
Yeah, I'm sure. She is the goat. Yes, she's the goat. She is the goat's goat. You know what I mean? She's literally on the top of a mountain eating grass. She is the goat of goat. And, man, what she's up to these days is crazy. Wait till you guys see. She's something else.
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Chominadi
Wow.
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Pharrell Williams
And of course, I love what, like, Nigo is doing over at Kenzo. It's great. Like, I wear Kenzo all the time. And what he's doing at Human Made is, like, very crazy too.
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Chominadi
I love the collab that you did with him for the last. Your collection was amazing. It was great. It was great to see you work together. You were one of the few people who are very, very close to Karl and saw him work. And I'm sort curious to know one memory, one thing that you learned from him that you maybe took forward into your. Into designing and creative directing Louis Vuitton.
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Pharrell Williams
Carl was very theme based and he always took his codes. He was very consistent with his codes. And I started wearing, like, pearls years and years and years ago. Maybe like 30 years ago. But I also took a liking to Chanel because of Notorious B.I.G. always talking about baby bags by Chanel. You know, saying things like that. Like, that just got me. And then seeing Lil Kim in it and, you know, like. And Mary, like, that, like, really made me pay attention. Chanel. And then I was like, well, you know what? I should wear it. Like, I should wear something that I feel like I can pull off. And so I did. And that's what led me to knowing who Carl was and how he thought about fashion. And then we developed a friendship, and he would invite me by and then eventually allow me to do the only collaboration they've ever done in the history of the Blent brand, which was a capsule collection. It was crazy.
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Chominadi
That must have been nice.
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Pharrell Williams
Coco Chanel liked a lot of pearls, so I felt like we had that in common. And so a lot of the pearl details that you see in all of my stuff, it's actually an homage to my reverence for both. My reverence for pearls, which makes. Which I feel like is a genderless stone, but it's also an homage to, like, my big brother, you know, Carl. Like, he really opened the doors and really stamped me in fashion. Both him and also Marc King of King Jacobs, who's still crushing it, who's, by the way, walking around in, like, flats and just totally rewriting the books. And this shit looks amazing. He's the king. Don't play with Mark. He's the king. Go find a game. Don't play with Mark. Go find a toy. Don't play with Mark. Go find a video game. Do not play with Mark. He is just. Marc Jacobs is. The brand is still on fire. Like, he's still crushing it. And I'm sorry. You can just look at all his collections that he did at Vuitton. It's all. It's all, like, you know, goaded, grailed things. And all of his shows were just, like, next level. Like, he's the king. There will never be anyone after him that can, like, do what he's done, period. There's only one Marc Jacobs, so I just have to give reference to him as well.
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Chominadi
No, no.
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Pharrell Williams
For sure. I wouldn't be there if it weren't for him. I know a lot of people think that, like, I just got the Vuitton and this, that, and the other. But I was started with Vuitton 20 years ago because of Mark. I did sunglasses 20 years ago. People don't know that. They kind of forget. Yeah, the millionaire glasses.
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Chominadi
Yeah.
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Pharrell Williams
But, like, that's what they were called. And the other nine or ten silhouettes that we did together, and then he gave me the opportunity to do jewelry. Then we did a campaign. Like, Mark really opened the doors, so he. You know, it's. For me, it's Carl and it's him.
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Chominadi
Yeah. I mean, two legends.
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Chloe Mel
Yeah.
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Chominadi
Two real, real legends. But we are so grateful to have had this time with you.
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Chloe Mel
We can't wait to see your met look.
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Chominadi
Yes. We're all kind of waiting.
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Pharrell Williams
It's going to be good.
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Chloe Mel
All right. Thank you so much, Pharrell.
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Pharrell Williams
Thank you.
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Chloe Mel
Have a good rest of your trip to Dubai. And happy birthday. Happy Trip around the sun. That's it for the Run Through. See Thursday. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Joanna Solotarov. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Stephanie Karaoke is our executive producer and Chris Bannon is Conde Nasty, head of Global Audio.
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Arden Fanning Andrews
The other day I, like, went on a real ebay spree. There's this huge push for like 80s opulence and 80s sort of glamour and we're going to see that returning. And so I was already kind of tapped into that just from my gorgeous ebay watch list. And I found a really beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s and a really great Miu Miu kilt, these great Dior boots. And I'm combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting doesn't require something that's gonna be like, produced in the future. Sometimes you can, like, tap into the past and tap into the archive as well. That's what makes ebay a fun place to actually discover things, because you're not going in with something so specific in mind, but you have an idea of what you're interested in or what you're excited about or, you know, just truly trend forecasting. And so one thing that I would say people should be watching out for is like, very opulent, 80s style.
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Pharrell Williams
From PRX.