Spike Lee on Highest 2 Lowest, How He Finds New Talent, and Loving the WNBA

Summary

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The Run-Through with Vogue

Episode: Spike Lee on Highest 2 Lowest, How He Finds New Talent, and Loving the WNBA
Date: August 26, 2025
Host: Leah Faye Cooper (for Vogue)
Guest: Spike Lee

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Overview

In this lively and insightful episode, Vogue’s Leah Faye Cooper sits down (virtually) with iconic filmmaker Spike Lee to discuss his new film Highest to Lowest, a reimagining of Kurosawa’s classic High and Low, and his enduring collaboration with Denzel Washington. The conversation ranges from the casting of A$AP Rocky and Jeffrey Wright, the film’s art and fashion, his passion for the WNBA, to NY Knicks fandom and Lee’s vibrant life in Brooklyn. Spike gives a peek into his teaching at NYU, thoughts on the evolving film industry, and how he finds new talent online.

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1. Highest to Lowest: Reimagining Kurosawa and Casting Dynamics

• A Long-Awaited Reunion with Denzel Washington

  • This marks Spike Lee and Denzel Washington’s first film together in 19 years since Inside Man.
  • “This is the fifth film from the dynamic duo Dee and Lee, Batman and Robin. And I'm Robin and happy about it.” — Spike Lee [02:41]
  • Denzel initiated the project, sending the script to Spike and suggesting the collaboration.

• On Working with Denzel After 19 Years

  • “It was like we didn't have to renew anything. It was like Inside Man was yesterday, not 19 [years ago]. We didn't have to relearn or… no, no, we're in sync.” — Spike Lee [03:46]

• A$AP Rocky as Actor

  • Spike praises A$AP’s depth and insists he not get typecast:
    • “I gave him a big hug and say, your next role, you could not play a rapper… He cannot let industry box him in, especially at this young stage of his career.” — Spike Lee [04:16]
  • Jeffrey Wright also receives accolades for his transformative performance.

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2. Art, Fashion, and Cultural Signaling in "Highest to Lowest"

• Incorporating Personal and Faux Art

  • The film features art from "the collection of Tonya and Spike Lee,” but only copies were used for filming to protect the originals. [05:19]
  • “Them cruels notorious for tearing shit up...” — Spike Lee [05:31]
  • The three-panel Basquiat seen in the film—Spike does not own the original.

• Fashion’s Role

  • “Fashion plays a big role in a lot of your films. You have a signature look yourself. The hat, the glasses, lots of Knicks gear…” — Leah [08:27]
  • Spike embraces orange and blue (“Orange and blue skies, this is our year…” [08:38]) and discusses how NBA and especially WNBA athletes are elevating sports fashion.

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3. New York Knicks Fandom and WNBA Appreciation

• On Knicks' Prospects and Longstanding Fandom

  • “We haven't won since the 1972-73 season… That's more than 50 years.” — Spike Lee [08:48]
  • Hopes for at least making the finals this year.

• WNBA Love

  • “The ladies are killing it. They're killing it, you know, and it's a beautiful thing.” — Spike Lee [10:21]
  • Spike comments on how female athletes are outdressing their male counterparts at games.

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4. The Met Gala, Black Dandyism, and Cultural Representation

• Spike at the Met Gala
  • Attending the same night as a Knicks playoff game, drawing playful ire from fans.
  • “If I didn't go to Met Gala, they might not have seen me anymore. Tell them it is. I've been cut off.” — Spike Lee [11:00]
  • On the Met's Black Dandyism theme: “About goddamn time. That was my… And that was the only one thought that either. I was not the only one.” [11:23]

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5. On Education, Mentorship, and Work Ethic

• NYU Graduate Film School
  • Spike is both a tenured professor and artistic director at NYU’s Grad Film program.
  • “First day, I didn't talk about film first. I talk about work ethic. Work ethic… You got to put the work in. You got to put the work. You got to put the work in.” — Spike Lee [12:46, 13:05]
  • Urges students—especially first-gen or those speaking Spanish at home—to “bust their Kulo.”

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6. State of Filmmaking, Streaming, and Theatrical Releases

• Reflections on Industry Flux

  • “There's a state of flux. Like people scared with the executives in Hollywood also screaming. So. But for me… I want people—as many people—to see High Low in the theaters before they see it September 5th on Apple TV.” — Spike Lee [14:35]

• Supporting Theaters

  • Spike thanks fans for sometimes driving hours to find a showing, emphasizing the communal theater experience.

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7. Music, Community, and Finding New Talent

• Musical Highlights in Film

  • The salsa parade set-piece with the late Eddie Palmieri’s orchestra was filmed live in seven to eight takes. “Oh, that was salsa orchestra.” — Spike Lee [17:32]
  • Special mentions to Rosie Perez and Anthony Ramos’ cameo in the scene.

• Finding Talent on Instagram

  • “Back in the day… you had to move to New York or LA… Now with this technology, displaying your talent…” — Spike Lee [19:00]
  • Singer Ayanna Lee (used at the film’s finale) and Jess McCray (the “Black Joni Mitchell” in a cameo) were both discovered via Instagram.

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8. Social Media and Generational Commentary

• On Social Media Addiction
  • The film comments on time spent by young people online:
    • “One of the very first scenes, Denzel's character's on his son: How many hours do you spend on this?” — Spike Lee [20:02]
    • “Ten hours on this a day cannot be good… for brains that are forming at the age and it's not good.” — Spike Lee [20:14]

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9. Brooklyn Favorites: Spike’s Local Guide [20:34–21:46]

• Favorite Coffee: From the car guy—prefers street coffee.
• Movie Theater: Alamo Drafthouse; jokingly: “Anyone in the theater is the Spike Lee's Theater.” [20:47]
• Retail: Nike Town
• Restaurant: Junior’s Cheesecake (“plain”, specifically) and Steve’s Key Lime Pie in Red Hook.
• Most Underrated Place: “Sal’s Famous Pizzeria,” referencing Do the Right Thing (“but Mookie threw the garbage can the window and the shit got burned down.”) [21:27]
• Park: Fort Greene Park, then Central Park, then Prospect Park.

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10. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On his Denzel collaboration:
  • “We didn’t have to relearn. No, no, we’re in sync. So it wasn’t even a problem.” [03:46]
• On the Met Gala theme:
  • “About goddamn time.” [11:23]
• On student advice:
  • “You got to put the work in. You got to put the work in.” [13:05]
• On art in film production:
  • “They weren't the originals. We made copies.” [05:27]
• On the role of streaming:
  • “I want people, as many people, to see high lows in the theaters before they see it September 5th on Apple TV.” [14:35]
• On discovering talent via Instagram:
  • “So all technology is not bad.” [20:01]
• On the WNBA:
  • “The ladies are killing it. They're killing it, you know, and it's a beautiful thing.” [10:21]

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11. Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:41] – Spike on reuniting with Denzel
• [04:16] – On A$AP Rocky’s casting and advice
• [05:19] – Personal art collection and set design
• [08:38] – Knicks fandom and pop culture fashion
• [10:21] – WNBA appreciation
• [11:23] – Met Gala and black dandyism
• [12:46] – Teaching and work ethic
• [14:35] – Filmmaking in a streaming era
• [17:32] – Parade scene and Eddie Palmieri tribute
• [19:00] – Finding new talent and Instagram
• [20:02] – Social media commentary in the film
• [20:34–21:46] – Spike’s Brooklyn hotspots

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12. Closing Thoughts

This episode is a quintessential Spike Lee conversation: passionate, culture-savvy, deeply invested in legacy and community, with humor and directness. Whether discussing wide-scale shifts in Hollywood, how to avoid student complacency, or simply the best cheesecake in Brooklyn, Spike Lee’s insights are candid and memorable, providing listeners with a vivid sense of both process and personality.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

This is the run through. I'm Leah Faye Cooper taking over for Chloe and Chi. I had the pleasure and honor of speaking with Spike Lee. His newest film, Highest to Lowest, is in theaters now. If you have not seen it, it is fantastic. It is a reinterpretation of the 1963 film High and Low by Akira Kurosawa and it's a really, really fun watch. Spike and I chatted over Zoom. He was in his Fort Greene office. I loved, loved, loved this storyline. I loved the father son dynamic between Denzel Washington and his son in the movie. The fashion was great. There was some Pharrell, Louis Vuitton. There was some Cartier. Lots of, lots of good things. A$AP was in the film. He was wonderful. I interviewed A$AP for the May cover of Vogue and one of our four covers for the Met Gal issue and he spoke about how excited he was to be in the film. We also got to see Denzel, Spike and A$AP at Cannes and they looked great, like they were having a great time on the red carpet when it premiered there. So great, great, great film. Spike and I also spoke about some of his favorite spots in Brooklyn. Where he gets his coffee, where he likes to go shopping, where he likes to hang out. So without further ado, here is Spike Lee on the Run Through. Hello. Welcome to the Run Through. Spike, it's so nice to have you.

[C]

It is nice to be with you, sister.

[B]

Thank you so much. Where are you right now?

[C]

I'm in my office. The world headquarters of four acres of mule, Fourth Green, Brooklyn and the People's Republic of Brooklyn, New York.

[B]

Nice, nice. Well, I saw Highest to Lowest last.

[C]

Night in the theater.

[B]

In the theater, of course.

[C]

Well, you went to Alamo. Where'd you go?

[B]

No, I went to Village East.

[C]

Cool. Were you only one in the theater or.

[B]

It was full.

[C]

Good, good.

[B]

It was full. It was full and I loved it.

[C]

Thank you very much.

[B]

For those who have not seen it, what is your brief synopsis?

[C]

This is the fifth film from the dynamic duo Dee and Lee, Batman and Robin And I'm Robin and happy about it.

[B]

Absolutely. Absolutely. So Dee is Denzel Washington. It's been a while since you guys have worked together.

[C]

19 years.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. So how did this.

[C]

Inside mail.

[B]

Nice. How did this come about?

[C]

There's scripting going around for years that ended up in Denzel's possession. He read it, thought of me, called me up and said, I'm sending you something. Hope you like it. So. And then before I even hung up the phone, I knew I was doing it.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You know, we had to get the gang back together.

[B]

Nice, nice, nice. And what has changed since you guys last worked together? Is there anything about it?

[C]

I got older.

[B]

Okay, well, how is 19 years? How has that changed your working process? Anything about the dynamic change?

[C]

No, you know, that's a very good question. It was like we didn't have to renew anything. It was like Inside man was yesterday, not 19. We didn't have to relearn or. No, no, we're in sync. So it wasn't even a problem.

[B]

Now, A$AP Rocky. Tell us about that casting. I actually wrote his Vogue cover for May and spent some time with him, and he was really excited about it. Yes.

[C]

Tremendous breath as an actor. You know, at one of these parties you had for the film, I gave him a big hug and say, your next role, you could not play a rapper. I said, you cannot play a rapper. He agreed. He has to. He cannot. He cannot let industry box him in. Especially at this, this young stage of his career. He is so much depth with. So he could do anything, you know? But I don't. I said, brother, don't do your next film. You're not be playing a rapper. He dug. He dug.

[B]

I was saying Jeffrey Wright, too, is also phenomenal in this film giant. He was so, so wonderful. I actually, even though I knew he was in the movie, it took me a while to realize that was him.

[C]

He doesn't repeat stuff. He comes into that role and like you just said, you know, it's him.

[B]

Something else that was gorgeous in the film was the art collection. Were there any pieces from your personal collection?

[C]

Well, not just. It's the collection of Tonya and Spike Lee.

[B]

Yes. You and your lovely wife.

[C]

Yeah, a lot of stuff. They weren't the originals. We made copies.

[B]

Smart.

[C]

Other stuff. Because them cruels notorious for tearing shit up.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So the copies are made of the fine art. And then once we film, when we finished shooting, we destroyed those copies.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Rosier. Is there a specific piece that you, like, you saw on the walls on The Sky High Penthouse.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And I Of the Kings.

[B]

Yes. I like the. The three panel Basquiat.

[C]

Yep. I don't own that one.

[B]

I loved that. I also really loved all the, like, covers that were mocked up with King. With King, yeah.

[C]

We had to convey the audience that he's a giant. So it's shorthand. Just, you know, put it on the wall and audience would see that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Rolling Stone. A whole bunch of stuff in Black Enterprise. Yeah. David King has to, you know. Best ears in the business.

[B]

Best ears in the business.

[C]

And he said it, like three times in Movie two.

[B]

Yes, he does. Something I picked up on was when they would tell their son that they loved or their son would say, I love you. They would say, I love you more. But there was one time when he didn't say it, which was when they weren't sure if they were gonna get the money back.

[C]

You know what I got? I. I did not know that. I gotta look at the film again.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And you know what that hints to the genius of dance. That's. Hit me. That was not a mistake. That was Denzel.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

That's the type of Johnny is. He does stuff that you don't see right away, but multiple viewers, you're like, I'm gonna spell it how it sounds. D Y U M D Deep There's a Washington it's a blessing Five times mo Better blues Malcolm X He got game Inside man and 19 Years Later High Ceilo 19 Years later oh, let me do it again.

[B]

We'll be right back with Spike Lee after a quick break.

[A]

It's 11:30pm I'm just about to fall asleep. And yet I'm still scrolling ebay looking for YSL quilted satin, transparent Moto Miss 60 deadstock, an antique Edwardian blouse I'm actively bidding and putting in best offers on ebay before my head hits the pillow. That's actually what lulls me to sleep at night and then waking up in the morning, checking to see who responded to me. This is a normal day.

[B]

All right? Fashion also plays a big. A big role in a lot of your films. You have a signature look yourself. The hat, the glasses, lots of Nyx gear.

[C]

Orange and blue skies Orange and blue skies this is our year. This is all year.

[B]

I was gonna ask, is this a year? How are you feeling about Mike Brown and Jordan Claxon?

[C]

Well, look, I'm. I got love of Coach Tibbs, you know, It's a tough business. So we haven't won since the 1972. 73 season. But those keeping scored home. That's more than 50 years.

[B]

It's a. It's been a while.

[C]

A minute, you know, so through the grace of God and the basketball God.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

We got to at least make it to the finals this year. At least the finals.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[C]

And I say that fortified by the horrible injuries to Halliburton, my brother Halliburton, my brother Jason Tatum. So I don't want nobody get hurt. Yeah, but injuries are part of the sport and we gotta take advantage of this.

[B]

What. What do you make of the athletes really dressing up for the games now?

[C]

I'm. Old Wolf Frazier used to come. I mean, he's still styling and profiling, but. But every. I mean, right now, it wasn't a level back then. I mean, Phil Jackson used to ride his bike to the Garden, you know, so. But. Oh, you know what? The ladies are killing it now.

[B]

Oh, the ladies are killing it.

[C]

Yes, the ladies are killing it. They are killing it without the G at the end. What? Not the gene apostrophe, the laser. Killing. It's like.

[B]

Oh, yes. Killing it. Yeah, yeah, they are. The. The wnba. The WNBA is really exciting right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah. The ladies are killing it. They're killing it, you know, and it's. It's a beautiful thing.

[B]

We had a lot of them. We had some of them at the Met Gala, which you attended. How was that? How was your night?

[C]

It was a great night. But the Knicks were at the Garden that night.

[B]

They were.

[C]

I got a lot of heat going to the MacGill instead of my courtside tickets at the world's most. The world's most famous Marina Madden Square. Oh, they were hating on me. What kind of fan are you, Spike? You're not even at the game.

[B]

Well, we're so happy that you made it. You and Tanya looked amazing.

[C]

Thank you. If I didn't go, shoot, I didn't go. If I didn't go to Met Gala, they might not have seen me anymore. Tell them it is. I've been cut off.

[B]

What was your. When you first. What was your reaction to hearing about the theme and that this year's Met was going to be, you know, celebrating black dandyism.

[C]

About goddamn time. That was my. And that was the only one thought that either. I was not the only one. Better late than never, as some people say.

[B]

And have you. Have you gotten a chance to see the exhibit? Did you see it that night?

[C]

Oh, yeah. You didn't. You. You get. Sit down and eat. You had to. They kept you walking around before you could sit There. Locked off and unlock.

[B]

Right.

[C]

The dining room was unlocked. You know, it was a big night. It's historical night.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And also I was the only one that had the game on our phone.

[B]

You know what? I will not name names, but I may have seen it.

[C]

Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson. I've named him Russell. I'm sorry I put you on blast.

[B]

And you're a tenured graduate film professor at New York University, Tisch School of the Arts.

[C]

Also, I'm the artistic director of the Graduate Film School, nyu. So I went there. Ang Lee and Ernest Dix and I were classmates. Jim John, which a couple years ahead of us. So I loved. I got. My late mother was a teacher, so that's where I came from.

[B]

Illustrious. Illustrious.

[C]

She taught at St. Anne's Broken Heights for many, many years.

[B]

Oh, my niece goes there.

[C]

Yeah. Great, great private school.

[B]

What is some advice that you give your students to make their film?

[C]

Oh, first day. First day. I didn't talk about film first. I talk about work ethic. Work ethic. I mean, that's. I dropped that science throughout the whole semester, but I got. Hit him with work ethic first day of class.

[B]

And what specifically do you say about work ethic?

[C]

I make understand that for those who are speaking Spanish at home got to bust their Kulo. Don't come in here thinking like you're going to be the next. It don't work like that. You got to work. You got to put the work in. You got to put the work. You got to put the work in.

[B]

We're going to take a quick break. More with Spike in a moment.

[A]

Sometimes people ask me which search terms I use whenever I'm on ebay. So I search a lot of dead stock. That's a term that I throw in there a lot. Dead stock means that no one's ever worn it before, but it is like an archival piece or it's a vintage piece. And so that's a great thing to find on ebay. There's a ton of dead stock, vintage. And it's just kind of like, comforting to know that, like, you're the first person taking this, like, piece on its maiden voyage, even if it's 50 years old. Ebay offers this departure from the everyday that ends up feeling totally you.

[B]

I mean, you've been making films for a long time, and there's a lot of talk right now about the film industry. It's always been obviously competitive, but being particularly challenging right now, especially with streaming and all these different formats. What do you make of where we are Right now, like in Hollywood, in the state of filmmaking?

[C]

Well, I think there's a state of flux. Like people scared with the executives in Hollywood also screaming. So. But for me, me specifically, I want people, as many people see high lows in the theaters before they see it September 5th on Apple TV.

[B]

Plus.

[C]

See in the theaters first. Also, I like to say, understand that has been somewhat difficult to find theaters near you, but I appreciate the people who contact me said that some of some people driven as many two hours to nearest theater. And I really appreciate you because that's asking a lot, having people drive two hours. I don't care what the movie is. But thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

[B]

You know, that reminds me, they did a screening of Sinners in Mississippi, like, near where the film was based, because there was no theater there.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And you talked about really enjoying that movie. What was it about that film and particularly that resonated with you?

[C]

It was unique, great storytelling. And that mutable sequence, that's the one made me jump out of my seat. I mean, that is genius. Genius, Yeah.

[B]

I love that film. I have to go back. I only saw it once, but I think that's something you need to see multiple times now. In highest to lowest. I was looking for you and I did not see you.

[C]

I semi retired.

[B]

Okay. Are we going to see you again? I was looking. I was like, maybe he's gonna be in the parade. Which I have to say, I loved the Eddie Palmieri.

[C]

That was the late, great Eddie Palmieri Salsa Orchestra.

[B]

That was amazing.

[C]

That's a set piece. And that was filmed live. That was not done to playback.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And I think we did seven, eight takes and. Eddie, want to keep going? Eddie, we got it. We got it. We got it. We got him. Don't worry. We got it. He wanted to keep going.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

The Exes were done, though. The Exes were done. They were like. Oh, they're about to say. Kyle.

[B]

My parents are born and raised in Harlem, and my uncle is a huge Eddie Palmeri fan and has seen him, I mean, more times than, like, anyone can count, probably.

[C]

Is he with us now?

[B]

My uncle?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you take him? Has he seen the film yet?

[B]

You know what? I. When I went to see a late showing yesterday, but I'm.

[C]

You got to take.

[B]

I'm going to call. Yeah, I know. I got to call him and see.

[C]

I'm not this weekend. Please.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not sure if he's seen it yet, but he's going to be so Excited.

[C]

Yes. This film premiered. I'm not talking about Ken, but here, like three, four days before Eddie left us. One of my most cherished moments and all the films, you know, doing that with the great Eddie Palmeira. Oh, that was salsa orchestra.

[B]

Yeah. That was so special and nice to have Rosie Perez and Anthony Ramos in that scene.

[C]

Hey, now I guess, you know, I put some more Puerto Ricans in.

[B]

I also love the. The way you captured going to a Yankees game, because getting on the train and going up to Yankee Stadium on game day is an experience.

[C]

Especially also, you know, the Red Sox here this weekend.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, did you know that?

[B]

I did not know they're. They're here this weekend.

[C]

Wouldn't it be crazy if people seen the film and on their way to the game Sunday, they're on the subway because they saw the film. They saw cheering Blessings. Yes. I hope somebody films that.

[B]

I would not be surprised. We might see that. We might see that on Instagram.

[C]

Yeah, I hope so. I should get Nick the Terrible start on the train. I'm going to find out if Nick is in New York. Me, I'm going to say, Nick, you got the scene. We did. You got to do it on the game. So.

[B]

Well, social media, that was a big part of this story. Are you on Instagram a lot?

[C]

Yes, I am. I'll tell you what's good about Instagram. Back in the day, way back in the day, before this technology, if you were a young artist, you had to move to New York or la. Madonna, David Byrne. They could not move to him before it rent.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

In a little. In New York City. And therefore, with this technology, displaying your talent, like Ayanna Lee, who sings the finale end of the film. Instagram.

[B]

That's where you first saw her.

[C]

Yes. And Mrs. Jess McCray, who's. Who's. I call a black Joni Mitchell, who stops Denzel going into the lobby with the guitar. Her. Also Instagram. Wow. So all technology is not bad.

[B]

All right.

[C]

But something we talk about on this film, one of the very first scenes, Denzel's characters on his son. Like, how many hours do you spend on this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was really. As the older generation speak to the younger generation in that 10 hours on this a day cannot be good.

[B]

No, cannot.

[C]

It's for brains that are forming at the age and it's not good.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So we had to comment on that.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. I'd love to talk about some of your Brooklyn faves. So do you drink coffee?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. What's your favorite coffee? Shop in Brooklyn.

[C]

I get the guy in the car.

[B]

Okay, favorite movie theater?

[C]

The Spike Lee Theater at Alamo, downtown Brooklyn. Anyone in the theater is the Spike Lee's Theater.

[B]

Do you have a favorite, like, retail store?

[C]

Nike Town.

[B]

Okay, favorite restaurant?

[C]

Well, I love Junior's Cheesecake.

[B]

You do? What is your order? You get the classic or you get.

[C]

One of the just plain? Plain.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Blackburn decal. And also I love Steve's Key Lime Pie. Red Hook.

[B]

Oh, yum.

[C]

You ever had.

[B]

You had that Key lime pie. It's delicious.

[C]

Red Hook.

[B]

It's delicious.

[C]

Red Hook.

[B]

What's like the most underrated place in Brooklyn?

[C]

Well, it was Sal's Famous Pizzeria, but Mookie threw the garbage can the window and the shit got burned down.

[B]

All right, famously. What is your favorite park?

[C]

I think I know this for Green park, right?

[B]

That was a rhetorical.

[C]

Central Park's next, then Prospect Park.

[B]

That was a rhetorical question. Well, thank you.

[C]

All right. Well, thank you, sister.

[B]

Thank you so much. That's it for the Run through. See you Thursday. The run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Kariuki. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of Global Audio.

[A]

My first job in New York City was as a trend forecaster. I do trend forecasting still, and ebay is a part of that because I'll search for things that I'm seeing around, and it will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And one of the trends that I'm seeing these days is crafting things that are made by hand. And so playing with clothes and accessories to create something kind of distinctive for your wardrobe is a great way of doing it. And getting supplies off of ebay is my favorite thing for it. I'll get, like, maybe a pair of slippers that I'm wearing right now and then cut them in a specific way, and then they're totally my own. And I feel like it's a great resource to create your own trends because then you can both feel like you're bringing something back to life. You're already, like, pulling it out of the ebay archives. And then you're also adjusting it so that it really expresses your own style, which is something that, you know, people really want right now whenever they are feeling, like, so algorithmic about the style that's being pushed to them. That doesn't have to be perfect. Things can have rough edges, and that sometimes makes them feel more special.

[B]

From prx.