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Jose Cria de Sota
This is the Run Through. I'm Jose Cria de Sota, filling in today for Nicole Phelps. I am so excited to be joined by my dear friend Chris Horan, the stylist of the moment. Chris worked with Charli XCX to style and be basically the architect of the Brat aesthetic, which has had a massive impact on pop culture over the past year. As you've definitely seen, Chris and I recorded this conversation right after the devastating fires in LA when Chris and his partner were organizing to help the communities impacted by the fires. Chris and I actually recorded this conversation that morning after he had evacuated. So he was calling in from a friend's house. We talked about his early days as a stylist, from styling some famous Disney girls to styling Charli xcx, creating the Brat look, and of course, my major Charli XCX Halloween costume. And here is my conversation with Chris Horan. Chris, what's up? Thank you for being on the Run Through. How are you?
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Chris Horan
Thank you for having me. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good, all things considered. So I'm safe and Pete is safe and we're staying at a friend's house up north. So we're good, I think. Yeah, we're really grateful.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So for context, for listeners, you are. Well, you live in LA with your partner Pete.
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Chris Horan
Yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I've also seen a lot of the really incredible community activations you guys have both been doing. Can you tell us a little bit about, you know, what Pete has been doing, what you have been doing with other stylists or with just the community in general?
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Chris Horan
Yeah, I think kind of, I think that's like been the most amazing thing about la. Or I mean, I guess the whole everyone is helping, but I think the community wise that there's like so many people who have just started amazing fundraisers and drives and so on my end we just knew, obviously clothing was like the easiest way. And then a few PR companies actually KCD and people reached out and were like, oh, there's also Elizabeth Stewart's doing this and like Lindsey Hartman's doing this. And we all kind of joined efforts and that has actually turned into this huge, massive thing where like the Palladium and Milk studios and people have offered to give space and I think we're going to do a Big event, actually, on February 5th at the Palladium, where it'll be like a benefit. So it's all kind of just like, took off because so many people have been helpful and so many brands have been helpful to us. And then on Pete's end, he's just been a lot of the Altadena, like a lot of the black and brown families that have been displaced. That's kind of in Pete's, like, effort and kind of aggregating all of these different family names and finding out how we can help direct. So it's been, I feel like it's just been like, that's been the positive thing about it is like, maybe this past year it's felt a little like, you know, stressful with the climate of the world and then to have, like, community show up like that, I think has been like a, a positive part about all of this.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I definitely agree. I think it's especially, I think on the fashion side and, you know, seeing what you are doing or even, you know, Charlie, Charlie xcx for listeners who, you know, you, you work with all the time. I saw that she posted on Instagram. It was like, you know, as a person in the public eye, people send me stuff all the time, but I would ask brands to reconsider. Reconsider sending stuff to me and donating them 100%, which I think is really incredible. Right. Like, you know, brands always have a couple samples laying around, a couple things allocated for gifting for celebrities, influencers, stylist, whatnot. And there's people that actually could use a lot of that instead of, you know, us.
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Chris Horan
Yeah, no, 100%. And Charlie actually, she's actually been, she like messaged me and was like, I saw you're doing this. Let me know how I can amplify or like, what I can do. And then it's, she's just been really supportive and amazing. Of course, as always. Yeah, of course.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I love that. That's really great to hear. So let's, let's, let's talk a little bit now about you working with Charlie. When did, when did you start working with her?
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Chris Horan
In 2021. So about four years ago. Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Around an OG.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Chris Horan
Like, kind of around this, I guess. Yeah. Similar time to now, maybe a few months closer to spring, but.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right.
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Chris Horan
Yeah. At the start of her Crash era. That is when I loved Crash. Me too.
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Unknown
So, yeah, that was kind of the.
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Chris Horan
First, the first thing.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Nice. So before we sort of really go into the brat of it all, which we really want to hear you talk about how did you get started in styling? I think it's like, you know, people love stylists. People love to hear from stylists. But even everyone who wants to be a stylist doesn't really understand exactly how it works, how to get there. So can you demystify a little bit the styling of it all?
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Chris Horan
Mine is the worst story, I think, because mine is so not normal. I feel like I'm a good story, though. So I grew up in Thousand Oaks, which is like 45 minutes outside of LA, and so it's a suburb and it's close by location. But, like, when you're growing up, I might as well have lived in, like, Arizona or somewhere. You know what I mean? Like, we didn't go into the city that often or so. I dated someone when I was in high school, like, end of high school. And he had a family friend who was a stylist and was like. I had always been very into, obviously, fashion that was like, my, like, superlative was based around. You know what I mean? Like, I was always into it, but I. It was.
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Unknown
This was like, right before Rachel Zoe.
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Chris Horan
Had a TV show or anything like that, where it had become this, like, more public face.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah. Before it was a thing that people knew existed.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Chris Horan
So I basically thought you were either like, a magazine editor or a designer. And I was like, right. Kind of like, well, I don't. I wasn't so much like, I need to move to New York or I didn't want to move to New York. So anyways, he was like, you should intern for her. And I did the summer I graduated, and I became her assistant for a very short time. And that was it. Like, I literally just was like. And she doesn't even style anymore. She did, like, a lot of, like, music videos. Like, for, like, the first things we did were, like, the fame, the, like, movie, the musical that they remade into a movie and did music videos for that. And then she had a lot of the Twilight people, but, like, everyone but Rob and Kristen, so it was like.
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Jose Cria de Sota
A lot of their life.
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Chris Horan
Like, so. Yeah, so that's kind of how I started. And I just, like, fell in love with it, but it was kind of like a, you know, rough. It also wasn't the most.
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Unknown
It was hard.
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Chris Horan
So I feel like I was working at Nordstrom and working with her, and then just by living in LA and going out more, I met someone who was a publicist for a Disney girl who was having her own show come out and it was Debby Ryan, and then that was, like, my first ever client. So. Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That's so fab.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So I'm curious, like, because you mentioned sort of the idea of being either a designer or a magazine editor. Like, to me, it was kind of similar, and that's actually why I ended up going into design first. And I was a designer for a couple of years before I was like, I don't really want to do this. And I ended up in Maggie world. How did you first realize what a stylist was? Like, obviously, you know, Rachel Zo, for a lot of people younger than us, that came, you know, there was tv, there was reality stuff.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That sort of illuminated all these career paths. But how did you realize what a stylist was?
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Chris Horan
I mean, so that kind of was the moment when he was like, oh, I have this friend. This is what they do. And I kind of. It, like, clicked in my head because I was like, oh, well, like, I love entertainment. And I honestly, like, I feel like I was kind of like, I wasn't that. When you're. I don't know, when you're a teenager. Like, I just was like, oh, I don't know if I could even be a magazine editor.
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Unknown
Because you're.
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Chris Horan
It's kind of, like, so outside of your world that it's like. Right. Like, the entertainment element made me feel somehow more comfortable, like I could achieve it quicker. So I. That's kind of what happened.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right. It felt more closer to home, I guess.
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Chris Horan
Yeah. And obviously, fashion, like, I was obsessed with, but it has, like, a scary exterior.
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Unknown
So I feel like I was just like.
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Chris Horan
I don't know if I could ever, like, fit in that world. So I felt like the entertainment part just seemed a lot more easy, and it was also where I lived. So that's kind of how it all. That's what it was. And then once I did it, I was like, this is what I want to do. 100% nice.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Who are some other people? You sort of started styling earlier on?
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Chris Horan
So I became. Once I worked with Debbie, I was like, by the time. By the way, I'm like, this is why I was saying I have a very non. I'm the worst story for this because I was, like, 20 when I got Debbie, so I was like a baby. And so she. I dressed her for the Teen Vogue Young Hollywood party, and it was when Net a Porta was still the sponsor. Was a sponsor of it, and I.
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Unknown
Dressed her for that.
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Chris Horan
And then it, like, got on the weekly magazine next to, like, Hailee Steinfeld. So then I was like, oh, I'm good at this.
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Unknown
Because, like, it was like, you're, like, doing something.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I'm actually. I'm a thing.
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Chris Horan
And so then she requested me to Disney, and then I just became this. The, like, Disney girl for a little bit. Like, they would do all this.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Know you being a Disney child star.
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Chris Horan
Well, literally, like. And I also was a child, so I was a child, so. But it was amazing. I love all of these. All the people at Disney were actually so great, and I'm still friends with them and. But they would come to me every time they had a new show. So I literally worked with, like, Dove, Cameron, like, all these people before. Like, then I got Rowan and Sabrina for Girl Meets World, and that was like, I dressed both of them. I dressed the whole cast of that for their press tour. And then Rowan and I just really hit it off. And so. Rowan Blanchard. Sorry. And so Rowan was kind of my first client that I feel like she was like 12 years old, but she just, like, had it, like, when she, like, she'd put on things and would just be like, yes, I love.
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Unknown
Whatever.
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Chris Horan
And so that was kind of like the first client that really, like, went there with me fashion wise. And I. It kind of gave me confidence in return to be like, okay, no, like, we're going to try things. And, you know, we did a. Rowan was, like, going to Chanel couture shows when she was like, 15. Like, it was, like, impressive. So I'm still very into that.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That's so fab.
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Chris Horan
And then after that, I kind of was like, once I had a, you know, bigger portfolio of all these people, and some of those girls took off and did, like, you know, Rowan did a mew Mew campaign, or it kind of like, started to establish me outside of that circle of, you know, obviously we love those girls. But, like, I didn't want to. I didn't want to work as a Disney stylist forever, so.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right. You also needed to grow up eventually.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So actually, what was that transition? Sort of like you're coming of age outside of Disney and into, you know, now you sort of do Charlie, the Christina Guillera, which is fab for someone our age who grew up with Christine. I'm sure we'll talk about that in a minute. But what was sort of that transition?
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Chris Horan
Like, honestly, a lot of it happened, like, pretty organically as far as, like, word of mouth, even being with an agency or anything like that. I feel like a lot of what people probably don't I mean, maybe they do and maybe they don't, but, like, it's a lot about just relationships is the biggest thing. And I think in general, like, relationships help you get new clients, but also relationships. And just personality is kind of what drives. I think it's like 50% creative, 50% personality. Because if you think about just talent in general, they don't. They're spending time. You're spending time with people, and they already have insane lives. So I feel like a lot of times it's about, like, who do I want to be around that's going to be? And I feel like that's such a big part of styling that people don't think about, because you're kind of like, you're doing a service, but you're also like, a big part of these people's, like, downtime, when they're supposed to, you know, be relaxed and kind of. I don't know. Yeah. So I think a lot of it was word of mouth. Like, Rowan was friends with Barbie Ferreira, and then Rowan recommended me to Barbie, and so then I dressed Barbie for Euphoria. That was like a. Like, one of the things that happened. And then I also like things like working with, basically, Chelsea Peretti. She saw how Rowan was dressing, which is amazing because rowan was, like, 13 at the time, and she was like, I like this girl's style. So she, like, found out that I was working with her, and she reached out to me, and then, like, so that was, like, one thing. And then she was like, can you dress my boyfriend at the time, Jordan Peele, who's now her husband, like, for the Emmys. And then that snowballed. Like, all these, like, small things kind of happened, and then those people, all their careers kind of, like, moved along, and it just kind of kept helping push me out there a little bit further and further.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right.
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Chris Horan
And then.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I love that.
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Chris Horan
And then Charlie, they had reached out to me because they liked how I had been styling Barbie, and Rowan was like, the thing that had them Reach out.
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Jose Cria de Sota
More with Chris Horan after the break.
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Jose Cria de Sota
And we're back. We sort of. We texted a little bit about this, but there was every year well, starting last year, we're starting 2023, actually. I do a Vogue Runway industry poll. So I sent it. I send out a poll of questions about, you know, the year in fashion to some of our, you know, stylists, PRs, photographers, designers, whatnot. And this year, we asked about the best dressed performer, and Charlie was crowned the best dressed performer. And there was a. There was a line there that I really loved that someone sort of submitted as an opinion that was like, this was amazing, because Chris styling Charlie sort of was able to fold in so many brands that we love into the Brat universe. Like, when else are you gonna see Ro Darte at the club, at the rave? Which I thought was kind of. Which is true. Like, you know, Rodarte is like, such a beautiful, sort of, like, dainty fairy, like, brand. And then all of a sudden, it's on stage on the Sweat tour, which is kind of amazing. So tell me about that process of working with brands to sort of fill in or work into the Brat universe or into the Charlie narrative.
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Chris Horan
Well, also, I mean, Kate and Laura just to shout. I mean, they were the first designers to ever really support me and, like, a big, like, for Rowan, actually. And I just loved them so much, and they were always. And I love shout out to. I love working with them, too. But the Brat, it kind of started. It really, like, snowballed because we were going to just do one outfit per show. And so in my mind, yes.
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Unknown
And so I was like, okay, like.
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Chris Horan
This will be like, I don't know, we'll need 23 outfits or whatever. And so I think we kind of were like, okay, we'll, like, ask the people. And then it just. I think we talked about. It snowballed because Troy was gonna do, like, five outfits, and then we were like, okay, we're doing. And then we ended up with seven somehow. And I was like, I don't know where that happened, but I think the thing that was amazing was we, you know, used the last couple years to build fashion momentum. So I feel like with Crash, the difference is, like, we were kind of like a playing more of a character because it was this, like, sexy pop star thing. But also, Charlie wasn't really like, that established in the fashion world during that time. Like, we had some, but I feel like by the time we got to Brat, we had made more real relationships, so. And then it obviously started taking off quickly. Like, obviously in June when it came out, or even before that, like, von Dutch and 360. I think brands were already, like, telling that this was Kind of very exciting. I think, obviously, the album, like, the summer, it, like, happened a little bit later, but we kind of got people who were like, we want to be a part of it quickly. And so that really just helped us. So I was just like, let's just like, go for it and see. Like, I think I was just in my mind, I'm like, we're gonna have events or performances for the next year, so let's just like, make a ton of things and. Yeah, that's kind of how it happened.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I love that. I mean, you. It was when we were working on that story about the Sweat tour was sort of like, you know, I was going through all the credits and I don't. It was like, you know, what list does sort of, like, their index of the hottest brands in fashion? Basically, like, you and Charlie created your own. Like, to me, I was like, if you dress Charl, you. You're a brand that, like, matters in a way. Right. You're a brand that people want to sort of see, which was really special.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Because again, everyone from Rodarto to Westwood to, you know, Saint Laurent, like that iconic moment, Dior girl. Listen, that's what I'm saying. I love it.
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Chris Horan
It's gotta have some surprise, you know, you gotta. You gotta keep the girls surprised.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah. You gotta keep the girls on their toes. Well, you also have a tour, like a solo tour that she's embarking on, pretty soon. So.
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Chris Horan
Yeah, yeah, it's, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be. I'm. It's. It's in the works.
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Jose Cria de Sota
But I also, you know, speaking of sort of touring and all of that, I also want to talk about the people attending the tour, which I thought was. What was pretty fab about the brat of it all is that it also became kind of like, because brat means something so specific, but also nothing at all. Like, there's such a fun ambiguity to it also style wise, that it allowed people to sort of become brat in their own way to attend the tour. Right. And I remember, you know, when we spoke about it, too, you sort of mentioned this idea that a big part of it is that it feels real. Like, she looks like Charlie looks like she's wearing her own clothes all the time. Right. So, like, it inspires people to also do the same. Can you. Like, did you expect people to sort of emulate Charlie so much through the Brat era to the tour or, like, sort of. What was your impression of that?
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Chris Horan
Well, I think it's. Yeah, I think it's interesting because I Think that. Well, first of all, like, I love. That was like my favorite. One of my favorite parts was just like seeing people like while we were on shows and like walking around and seeing people in outfits or recreating. I think it's like very. There's like nothing more exciting than that because I feel like you like made something that people want to like, you know, be, be. Which I think is. I mean, it's really made me very like, emotional. But I think, I do think that we, I think that we, we weren't like setting out to do that, but we did set out to be like, there's this level of like, it's really like down casual. Like it's either like baggy jeans and Converse and a nice jacket for. So I think we kind of knew that it was a lot more accessible just because that's what we were playing. You know what I mean? Like, I think in some way, I don't think we thought like black tights in a Weinstein tank top thing was gonna become like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I think you can't really like say that that's gonna become something. But I think it was a really smart thing that no one planned to be able to make it so simple that people could recreate like endless versions of something.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right. It's also like a culture. Right? Like, it's a pocket of culture. Like going out raving, like all of these things, like going for dressing for the club. But speaking of, you know, black tights, tiny shorts and a wine state tank, what did you think of my Halloween costume?
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Chris Horan
I was gonna say, wait, we need to talk about the iconic Halloween. I thought yours was honestly top five.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Thank you. It's an honor to be nominated.
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Chris Horan
Of course. I was dead when you said that video. I'm like, it was so good. I'm in love.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Well, this was also like, you know, for context, for an audience. Like the last time we sort of talk about, you know, the interview we were referring to was happened like the week of Halloween, like right before.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So I was like, okay, if I wear two, what should I do? You literally told me like, you were like, girl, first of all, like, you just need a wine stained tank top, literally, and some black tights. And also, like, you have half of that stuff in your closet. I'm like, you know, turns out you're right. Like, I had that some like, you know, good sunglasses, a mugler like corset hoodie. Like, you know, it's there, which is kind of what's Fab.
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Chris Horan
I know, exactly. I feel like that was. I mean, I honestly, that was. I think probably like, I'm sure there's tons of people who are not like.
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Unknown
Die hard brat fans, but I feel.
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Chris Horan
Like it was like an easy to make costumes, so it really helped us with our numbers, I feel like. Cause it was a easy go to.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah, well, that's sort of like, to me, that's like, that's like now because so many images are burned in our brains through like the Internet. So many things go viral. Becoming like an easy and recognizable Halloween costume is like, you know, to me is like the definition of how you are pop culture.
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Chris Horan
Well, I mean, that's Ms. Xtina, too. I'm like, every year there's girls and chaps. So, you know, that is true.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That's what I'm saying. Come on.
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Unknown
Dirty.
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Chris Horan
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, that's how you know.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That's how you know. We're going to take a quick break.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I do have to ask you about this snl.
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Chris Horan
Yes. Oh, my God, yes. I love that we're going to talk about this.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So basically, when Charlie performed the snl, she was on stage, she was singing, and she was wearing a Gucci handbag. Looked fab. And there were so, like. Well, she was performing 360. Right. Like, she was. It was so funny because so many people had so much to say about the fact that she was wearing a handbag while performing.
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Chris Horan
I know. Which is so interesting.
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Jose Cria de Sota
It's super interesting. You know, like, I have my personal feelings about handbags on the red carpet because I'm always like, girl, what. What is. What's in there?
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Chris Horan
But you know, by the way, same. Like, I'm like, there's no clutch to be seen. I'm like, first of all, you're not there alone. Like, exactly. Let's just demystify it. Like, there's a publicism. Like, you need your ph. And like. Or even if you have a bag, someone else can carry it for those like, five minutes. And then you.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Exactly. You don't need to be in the step and repeat with like a handbag. Right. But like, I love that. But you know, sort of on snl, I thought it was really interesting because so many people had so much to say about the idea. Like, oh, the fact that she was performing with a handbag. From questioning Whether or not it was necessary to questioning on whether or not she got paid to wear the handbag and promote it, which I thought all of it was hilarious. Part of me, I'm like, well, I don't know. Like, Charli always performs like she's at the club raving. So you're at the club with your handbag. I don't know. Like, to me, it wasn't that deep. But then we texted about it. So, like, how did that handbag got to Charlie's shoulder on snl?
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Chris Horan
Okay, so what?
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Unknown
Really?
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Chris Horan
Originally, like, I thought it would have been, like, really, like, bitchy and funny for her to have, like, a fur stole. Like, a little, like, something that she walked and then she, like, threw it off at some point. And then that kind of evolved, I think then we were like, or maybe it's a handbag. Maybe she was like, maybe it's a handbag. And we basically. That Jackie bag was my personal one. Like, it literally is not that deep. Like, this is why I think it's so funny, because there's, like. I honestly, it was a Vogue article. A British Vogue article, maybe. I don't know. But they were like, you know, she's definitely getting paid by this brand. But, like, it seemed. And I'm like, no, it wasn't. Like, I was just kind of like. And I. Again, I think it is kind of. It is brat. Ish to be, like, the Jackie handbag. It's a very, like. It's a lady handbag. It's a little more, like, you know, stuffy seeming. But I feel like I was like, no, it's not.
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Unknown
It's actually.
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Chris Horan
I mean, it's also my favorite bag.
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Jose Cria de Sota
It's my name after Jackie Kennedy Onassis.
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Chris Horan
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Like, you know what I mean? Like, historically, it's like, not brat, but also brat entirely.
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Chris Horan
Exactly.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Is Jackie Kennedy brat.
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Chris Horan
Stop.
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Unknown
No, the Internet log.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Please don't.
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Chris Horan
Yeah, don't make me. Don't make me.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Okay, I won't make you go there. Okay, but. So it was your personal handbag, and it just sort of, like, ended up on her and was just like. It was fab.
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Chris Horan
Yeah. I mean, obviously, you can imagine we had pulled, like, tons of handbags. And, like, what's funny is that mine. It's like, it was the one that I was just carrying all of my stuff in. So, like, we. While we had, like, 20 other bags for the week of, like, events and stuff from that first, like, fitting, I.
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Unknown
Was like, I love this one.
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Chris Horan
And then, like, we kept pulling more because I Was like, oh, maybe it doesn't have to be this one. And then it always is like, no, that one's great. Like, it was perfect.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah, it did look really full. Like, it looked. Cause to me, something that's funny is like when people sort of wear bags to shows or red carpets or whatever, and you can. You sort of have the sense that it's like sponsored because it's empty. I'm like, girl, put something in the bag. But that bag felt lived in.
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Chris Horan
No, there was some something and there was some stuff in there. I was. It was obviously curated so things weren't gonn of like fly out of it. But yeah, there is some weighted. It was filled a little.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah, that's why I thought it was really funny when we were texting about this because, yeah, I do think there was a British Vogue article that of course, like, you know, Rachel Tashan, who's one of my favorite critics, wrote for the Washington Post and she sort of talked about personal style and like talked about Charlie and talked about. But I do think there's something interesting about the fact that everyone thought it was like, sponsored because so much of fashion right now and celebrity fashion is about placements, right? Sort of like giving things, putting things, placing things. And I love that it was just such an organic.
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Chris Horan
I mean, I do want to just like, this is obviously just my own personal thoughts, not any of my clients. But like, I do think that, like, it's funny to read those. And I think it's funny with fan culture and just like everyone having an opinion but saying like, especially fan culture of being like having this like turned up nose idea of like endorsements and stuff. And to me I'm like, okay, well do you want like, everyone's trying to make a living and I think like, I think a lot of times people are like, I think it's kind of like, okay, do you want your favorite artist to make the best album? If they're a musician, do you want them to make the best movie? So like, if that's the case, then like the, the, the calmer side of it is like, okay, well these endorsements are like, don't impede on their art and what they output, but like make them money to live.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Enable. It's so many ways enable it.
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Chris Horan
I'm like, so I don't know, it's kind of me. I'm like, do you want your favorite person to make like, I don't know, like some action movie number five or like, would you want them to make like some movie that you really liked them in like a while ago, but doesn't pay them any money. So, like, don't get mad at them when they're in the large campaign for some brand. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think that's part of it. I'm like, come on. Like, you have to. There's a push and pull here. Like, yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
And, you know, we also have to be realistic about the fact that, like, we work, you know, entertainment, music, fashion, these are industries. Like, they're artistic, they're art inclined, they are art in so many ways, but they're also industries. Like, they are businesses. They require. You know, you can't be a stylist in LA running around requesting custom looks, samples, flying things back and forth, shipping things back and forth if you don't have any money to do so. So we just also have to be very realistic about the fact that things cost money, literally.
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Chris Horan
And I do think that, like, especially in Charlie and Bratworld, I feel like she's done such a good job about all of her partnerships. Like, even if the. The partner itself seems surprising to people, I feel like anytime she's done something, it's like, feels very much in line, whether it's like H M where it's like. And I think some of those articles are like, brands really want to tap into and like, take it. But I'm like, yeah, but that's what they did. Like, if you look at the H M show, it's like that was literally like, those events are so Charlie and also so Matt. Like, they were incredible and they like, I feel like that's why I'm like, I don't know. I think that those things are actually amazing. Like the London show and the Times Square show. Like, that's incredible. Like, people got to see that and it was brought to them and they didn't have to buy tickets. And like, I don't know, there's. I think sometimes people just love to, you know, give people a hard time just to.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah, absolutely. Listen, there's nothing more Brat than taking over Times Square and, you know, making people show up at Times Square. I was like, am I going to go to Times Square on a Monday? Was it a Monday? I think it was a Monday.
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Chris Horan
It was a Monday.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah. You know, I was like, am I going to go see Brat on Time Square on Monday? Well, thank you so much, Chris.
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Chris Horan
Thank you.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Chris. What's up, diva? I had to call you back because even though we did talk about the Grammys and our initial conversation, everything has changed. Or at least as you texted me, the looks Charli was gonna wear changed completely. So do tell us what happened.
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Unknown
She ended up wearing a custom version of the Jean Paul Gaultier couture show that Ludovic guest designed.
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Jose Cria de Sota
That was on the railway last week, by the way.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Like, for additional context. So how do you pull this off? Because that show hadn't happened when we first spoke, and you had a few other options. And then how did that look come together?
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Unknown
It kind of happened. I mean, it really did happen. It was a very surprise. It was kind of surprising. And, like, you know, we have a very long standing relationship with both Ludovic and jpg, and I think they. It wasn't that long ago. I want to say, like, three weeks ago. They were like, we had a call, and it was really good. Like, and then they were like, we're gonna show you some previews. And I was like, amazing. Like, I thought it was great. And then I think my natural reaction was pretty, like, excited, because I felt like the collection does feel very Charlie, and it's very. A little, like, distress, slightly, like, piratey. Like, it was a lot of things that I feel like we've been, like, touching on.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah.
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Unknown
And so I was like, okay, this is, like, incredible. And I think so. They were like. They kind of were like, okay, well, the way that, you know, because of the way that couture works, you need to send us some, like, you know, six requests, seven requests of, like, looks, and hopefully we can get you one. And I was like, okay. So I, like, took a few hours to kind of, like, think about it, and then talked to Charlie, and then they kind of came back and were like, actually, your reaction was so great, and like, we love you and Charlie. And so we think the best thing is to just like, use all of the hands on deck to try and make her a custom one so we don't have to kind of go through the couture system of maybe. Maybe getting one and maybe not.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Yeah.
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Unknown
So that's kind of how it happened. And then it just was, like, full steam ahead.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Gorgeous. So basically, for context for our listeners, when it comes to couture and celebrity pools, basically, when a couture client buys a couture garment, in most cases, they have an exclusivity. Sometimes it's regional, sometimes it's global. It depends on whatever is involved in terms of that deal. Money, rules, whatnot. But that would have meant that if someone had ordered that look, then Charlie couldn't have worn it. Right. But she got her own exclusive version Of a look, which is major.
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Unknown
Yeah, it was amazing.
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Chris Horan
And.
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Unknown
And again, like the Grammys, at least for the carpet, like, she only tried on two dresses, so yeah, it ended up being a pretty. And down to the wire. Down to the wire.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Listen, you. You wouldn't have it any other way. So that's look number one, which was the. Honestly, like the flex of the night. Everyone on Social was really talking about, like the coup of being able to make it happen from, you know, it walking down the. Down the Runway a week ago, not even to like now. Major. But that was number one. And then she slipped into something more comfortable for to watch the actual Grammys. Right?
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Unknown
Yes, yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
What was that look? And I have a follow up question about that, actually.
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Unknown
But tell first, the second look is the custom and the mommy, sir, which is I think the most Charlie look of the night. I feel like she was like very much and I think originally we thought it would be maybe what she performed in, but it really was like she really just like was feeling that look since the first time she put it on. And I feel like in her mind it was the most comfortable for her. And it was like, you know, bitchy and like very, I don't know, it.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Was like bitchy, witchy. But I just, you know, I think this sort of keeps coming up every time we talk about the way Charlie dresses and the way you style Charlie. But she always looks like herself. Right. Which I think is like the most fun. And you know, sort of those moments when she's on camera in the stream of the award show, you're like, oh my God. Like, she just, she could just be at home. Good for her.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Jose Cria de Sota
But I have a question. So we were. This was, this was in the, in the Vogue group chat last night because everyone had a wardrobe change. Where do they change? Like, how do you. How do you pull this off when, you know, she shows up in something and then she has to change for something else and then she has to change again to perform and then change again. Like, how do. What are the logistics?
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Unknown
It's not very glam, you guys. It's not very glam. I'm going to break it down for you. It's like a pipe and drape. And like imagine going to. Actually, I want to say they do it in the locker rooms of these arenas, but then they do these like mini pipe and drapes where I feel like each person gets like a. I want to say like 15 by 8, like little space. So like just imagine like a team of like 10 people crammed in. And I'm saying, like, I only know this from doing this last night with Charlie, but it's like, we're in one. The next one over is like, JLo. So you're seeing all the same glam teams, but, like, Right. Kind of like everyone's there. Like, Beyonce's two down. Like, it's like. But everyone's in the same space, and everyone's going to these little, like, sections where it's literally just a curtain and, like, a vanity mirror and, like, a. I mean, like, it's not. Yeah, it's not necessarily. She.
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Jose Cria de Sota
At least there's a mirror, honey. Wait. So you walk, you arrive with the looks in your little garment bags, and then you just, like, put them there. Like, they're just waiting for her.
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Unknown
I mean, the big garment bags, babe. Duffel bags, Right?
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Jose Cria de Sota
Definitely. I mean, if it's you, honey. If it's JPJ Couture, that's.
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Chris Horan
But, yeah.
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Unknown
No, it's not. Yeah, it's definitely. They don't make it easy for you.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Listen, you got to work for it. Yeah. That's hilarious. I've always wanted to know. I'm like, where do they do this? Okay, so now let's talk about the performance. Yesterday, you texted me some previews of what she was going to wear. Major. And the performance was vintage, right? Yeah, we had vintage and a current coat by Koresh.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got the. Again, it was kind of like, which I'm very happy about, but it was very, like, surprising. I think I was pulling stuff for the cameo girls. So Julia, Gabrielle, Alex, and I just, like, stumbled on that Dior, like, bikini set with the jacket and the belt, and I was kind of just obsessed, and it was. It just felt very Charlie. And I was like, I'm just going to pull it. Like, you never know. Like, we could use it for something. And then during the fitting, we literally, again, the only thing we tried on for performance and, like, since she was like, I love this, and I was like, me, too. And then it was done.
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Jose Cria de Sota
I mean, it was perfect. Like, Dior by John Galliano was, like, 2,000 something. 2001, maybe two. Two. Yeah, yeah. And a black courage for furry coat, which I love. Major.
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Unknown
So, like, the coat was fab.
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Jose Cria de Sota
And also the coat drop was fab.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Like, most importantly, effortless. Effortless. You know, one thing about her, she's going to drop something on the floor in the most. In the coolest way.
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Unknown
Yes. Yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Wait, so about the cameo. So you had Gabriette, who obviously features in 360 lyric and video. You have Alex Khonsani, model of the moment. We all love her. You have Julia Fox. It was her birthday last night. Was it? How do you dress these cameos? How do you go around dressing someone like Julia with such a unique style? Someone like Alex, who you see on every single Runway. Someone like Gabriette, who, again, is, like, known for the way she looks. Like, how do you go about this?
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Unknown
I think it's kind of like we. At least for 360, the way that Charlie wanted to do it was like she just wanted everyone to feel like themselves and make them feel like they had the most, like, basically set them up for the most fun time. So she was like, I just want to, like, really deliver looks that they're, like, so excited to, like, even try on all of that. So we kind of just approached it the same this time. I think it was a little easier because we had, you know, done all the girls before, so I felt like it was less scary. But, like, same thing. Like, I think we polled. We, like, over pulled, and then we had certain ideas, and some of those ideas, like, stuck, and some of them, like, didn't. And the girls, like, went through racks and were like, I love this top. I love these. And it was kind of a mix and match. But I. Gabriella and Alex is, like, in my mind, I was like, these two. I don't know why, but, like, that D squared look on Alex, I was like, this is it.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So fab. And then one last question for you. So, you know, I was watching the red carpet coverage as one does, and obviously I saw Charlie arrive, and I got really excited, but then I saw you arrive, and I was like, oh, my God, it's Chris. How do you decide what to wear to be, you know, just the stylist? Because you have to look fabulous. You also have to be comfortable, but you also, like, just. I'm very curious about what goes over your head when you have to.
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Unknown
I mean, I just wanted to wear black, but then I was like, I. In my. The literally the only decision I made was like, I don't want to wear a full suit because I'm going to be, like, running or, like, crouching.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Right, you're crouching, like, spreading this dress out. Fluffing the ruffles.
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Unknown
Yeah. So I was like, I'm going to wear this sweater. And then I was like, oh, well, this one has, like, a little sparkle on it. So I was like, it feels festive.
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Jose Cria de Sota
So that's how I.
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Unknown
But that was.
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Jose Cria de Sota
It was given Grammys. Honey, you look great.
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Chris Horan
Yes.
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Unknown
That was it, love.
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Jose Cria de Sota
Well, Chris, we really appreciate you jumping on the morning after.
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Unknown
No, I appreciate you. Yes.
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Jose Cria de Sota
But, you know, thank you. This was major. She had a great night. You had a great night. We all had a great night because of her.
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Unknown
Yes. Three time Grammy winner, Charlie, period.
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Jose Cria de Sota
And that's it for the Run Through. See you on Thursday.
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