The Beauty Routines We Are Taking Into 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Run-Through with Vogue Episode: The Beauty Routines We Are Taking Into 2026 Date: January 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of “The Run-Through with Vogue” dives into the evolving landscape of beauty and wellness routines Vogue editors are championing for 2026. Hosts Chloe Malle and Chioma Nnadi, joined by beauty editors Margot and Arden, discuss wellness obsessions, red-carpet beauty trends, hair innovations, the impact of technology on routines, and shifting industry attitudes about transparency and imperfection. The show also touches on major recent fashion industry news, including the Saks Fifth Avenue bankruptcy, and pays tribute to the legendary Valentino.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Saks Fifth Avenue Bankruptcy & Fashion Industry Reset

• Madeline Schultz, US Editor at Vogue Business, joins to discuss Saks Fifth Avenue’s bankruptcy and its broader impact on the fashion industry.

• Key Facts:

  • Saks is still open; its bankruptcy comes with $1.75 billion in financing for restructuring but slim hope for smaller or independent brands owed money.
  • Big-name brands like Chanel are owed huge sums ($136M). Smaller designers face significant risk as major retail buying drives their financial year.
  • The “reset” in fashion is ongoing post a season marked by 16 designer debuts; now, the industry faces phase two: adjusting creative teams, pricing, and marketing.
  • Pricing discussion: While brands avoid lowering prices, more “accessible” luxury (e.g., $2,000 bags) is being offered.

• Memorable Quote:

  • “For a lot of [independent designers], Saks retailers are the biggest wholesale accounts. One New York designer was telling me that he essentially plans his whole year around these Saks buys.” – Madeline Schultz [04:00]

• Timestamps:

  • Saks bankruptcy segment – [01:04] to [06:57]

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2. Remembering Valentino

• Hosts reflect on the legacy of Valentino after his passing.

• Hamish Bowles wrote a comprehensive tribute for Vogue.

• Discussion of Valentino’s lifelong partnership with Giancarlo Giammetti and their influence on fashion history.

• The documentary “The Last Emperor” is recommended as essential viewing.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • “Hamish is so remarkably adept ... he wrote this beautiful, comprehensive tribute that’s extremely touching.” – Chloe [07:47]
  • “93 as well. I mean, you know, such a long, insanely magical life and moved so many.” – Choma Nardi [09:56]

• Timestamps:

  • Valentino tribute – [06:59] to [10:42]

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3. Paris Men’s Fashion Week: Trends & Highlights

• Discussion of highlights from Paris and Milan men’s shows:

  • Jonathan Anderson’s adventurous men’s collection (blonde wigs, gender-defying silhouettes)
  • Pharrell’s imaginative set for Louis Vuitton
  • Dior’s festival-inspired looks
  • Prada’s “season defining,” sharply tailored, skinny silhouettes

• Connection between men’s and women’s collections, and the designers’ versatility.

• Quote:

  • “Because menswear was where Jonathan Anderson started, and I often feel like his men's collections are just so super strong.” – Choma Nardi [12:47]

• Timestamps:

  • Fashion Week trends – [10:42] to [14:42]

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4. Beauty & Wellness: 2026 Manifesto

a. Choma’s “Extreme” Breakfast Routine

• Plant-based, liver cleanse tea, miso broth, “protein-rich porridge,” seed cycling, ghee, black seed oil, and more.

• Samsung watch that measures dietary antioxidant intake.

• Transparency and “celebrity mornings.”

• Quote:

  • “Isn't that crazy? I don't even know if we want to make this public ... but it gets me a good rating on a ... yeah.” – Choma Nardi [21:13]

• Timestamps:

  • Breakfast routines and wellness obsessions – [17:12] to [21:24]

b. The Decade Shift in Wellness Trends

• 2016 vs. 2026: Wellness once fringe, now mainstream—even “parasite cleanses” on social media.

• Aesthetic shifts from 2016: Top knots, side bangs, glitter, “Kardashian Beauty” skipping some, minimalist beauty for others.

• Reflections on how tattoo culture and attitudes have changed; mainstream acceptance, temporary and pop-up trends, and easier removals (Pico laser).

• Quote:

  • “You will not be seeing a photo of me with my black choker on because ... I have an idea of myself I'd like to maintain. And it's not that girl.” – Arden [22:38]

• Timestamps:

  • Beauty decade reflections and tattoo chat – [21:24] to [27:37]

c. Lasers, Transparency, and Anti-AI Beauty

• Rise of laser treatments (especially Pico for pigment, melasma), shifting norms around admitting to “work done.”

• Embrace of authenticity and imperfections in an AI-obsessed culture.

• Social media as a mirror: Moving from perfection (Facetune) to “showing your real skin.”

• Quote:

  • “This transparency of plastic surgery or work done is also something so big ... I do think it's like sort of an anti AI push to be like, I didn't Facetune. I did the work to get this done.” – Arden [28:40]

• Timestamps:

  • Laser treatments and cosmetic transparency – [27:37] to [29:38]

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5. Red Carpet Beauty & Hair Trends

• Awards season as a “bright spot” for beauty inspiration; “Old Hollywood glam” returning—pin curls, bobs, updos, ringlets.

• Direct track from runway trends to red carpet; updos get sleeker and more avant-garde.

• Bobs remain perennial; current variations: sharp, Uma Thurman–style (Pulp Fiction), micro-bangs, “wet look.”

• Extensions now common even in bobs (“money pieces” for highlighting), careful movement toward “romantic” (soft, period-inspired) beauty, but also “indie sleaze” makes a comeback.

• Music and festival culture influences bold trends—glitter, statement eyes, experimental makeup.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • “The bob is not, it's not going away ... I think it's interesting to see people restyling it.” – Margot [35:09]
  • “The K-pop Demon Hunters girls are killing it ... everyone is giving me a different cool beauty look. We're seeing braids, we're seeing black lipstick.” – Arden [33:54]

• Timestamps:

  • Red carpet & hair trends – [31:11] to [39:34]

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6. Social Media, Trends, and the Embrace of Imperfection

• Super long hair vs. bobs: extremes coexist, both on-trend.

• “Romantic beauty” is rising (“period drama” makeup), but so is a messy, lived-in “indie sleaze” look.

• Acceptance of “human-touched” looks over AI-perfection; cluttered realities valued over hyper-curated images.

• Memorable Quote:

  • “Now that everyone's sort of going into this, like, I want it to look human-touched. I don't want it to look AI.” – Margot [43:22]

• Timestamps:

  • Social media and imperfections – [39:34] to [43:47]

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7. Toothpaste as the New Luxury & Oral Health

• Rick Owens’s “gin and cigarette” toothpaste flavor; the idea that daily routines should be pleasurable and elevated.

• Specialty toothpaste brands (Marvis, Celaton) and the “elevated mint” movement.

• Quote:

  • “You’re gonna brush your teeth every single day. Why not have it be fun and joyful and elevated?” – Arden [44:13]

• Timestamps:

  • Toothpaste/Oral health – [44:00] to [45:36]

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8. Fitness Trends Going into 2026

• Norwegian 4x4 method (high-intensity interval training): four minutes max effort, four times.

• Japanese walking: interval-based, brisk walking or light jogging.

• Strength training emphasized for women’s health—bone density, future health.

• “Heated rivalry” workouts popular in Vogue’s London office.

• Quote:

  • “There's so many conversations right now about strength training and how important it is for women, whether it comes to bone density, future health. I can do a 15 pound weight now. That's my new update.” – Arden [47:18]

• Timestamps:

  • Fitness trends – [46:02] to [48:34]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On wellness and social cachet:
  “…so many of those people now are the ones that are leading a parasite cleanse on social media…” – Arden [21:59]
• On authenticity vs. AI:
  “Now that everyone's sort of going into this, like, I want it to look human-touched. I don't want it to look AI.” – Margot [43:22]
• On the stickiness of the bob:
  “I don't think that it's actually gonna go anywhere because it is so flattering. And I just think it's interesting to see people restyling it.” – Margot [35:09]
• On tattoo removal:
  “The pico laser will take that. It just blasts it off and it just brings your normal skin tone ... back to the surface, basically.” – Margot [27:21]

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Episode Flow / Timeline

• Saks Fifth Avenue and Industry Trends | [01:04]–[06:57]
• Valentino Tribute | [06:59]–[10:42]
• Men’s Paris/Milan Shows | [10:42]–[14:42]
• Mailbag/Housekeeping | [15:04]–[17:12]
• Beauty & Wellness Routines/Trends | [17:12]–[21:24]
• 2016 Nostalgia, Beauty Reflection, Tattoos | [21:24]–[27:37]
• Lasers, Transparency, Cosmetic Procedures | [27:37]–[29:38]
• Red Carpet Trends (Updos, Bobs, Hair) | [31:11]–[39:34]
• Messy, Cluttered, Real Life Trends | [39:34]–[43:47]
• Toothpaste & Oral Health Talk | [44:00]–[45:36]
• Fitness & Exercise Trends | [46:02]–[48:34]
• Wrap-Up | [48:45]–end

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Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is warm, conversational, and self-effacing—editors admit to “insane” wellness routines and nostalgic beauty gaffes, making space for listeners to feel both inspired and “seen.”
• Beauty and wellness are increasingly about authenticity, self-care, and “doing you,” whether that’s with a protein-porridge breakfast, a pin-curled bob, or radical transparency about cosmetic interventions.
• Technology is entering the beauty and wellness sphere—Samsung watches that judge your vegetable intake, lasers for at-home pigment correction, and nearly bespoke hair extensions.
• Fashion, beauty, and even oral hygiene are becoming more “fun,” personal, and reflective of an anti-perfectionism, post-AI cultural moment.

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Transcript

[Chloe]

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[Choma Nardi]

And I'm Choma Nardi.

[Chloe]

Choma, you got to talk about your favorite topic on the pod today. Wellness.

[Choma Nardi]

I went a bit overboard.

[Chloe]

I was very excited. I came down early and I overheard Arden and Margot arguing about their sauna approach. I was like, wow, we're really in it.

[Choma Nardi]

We got really into the weeds. We got into the weeds. We talked about Hollywood glam and that return on the red carpet and obviously my favorite beauty look, which was Selena Gomez so far this season.

[Chloe]

Well, I'm very excited to listen, very excited to get my wellness marching orders for 2026. We have things to discuss today, but first, top of the hour, we have Vogue Business US editor Madeline Schultz here with us to talk all about Vogue Business's big package this week. Fashion's reset and the residual effects of the Saks Fifth Avenue bankruptcy, which, Maddie, I feel like I still don't really know what that means. To me, it's similar to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting shutting down. I'm like, But I still have npr. I still have pbs. I still have Bergdorf. Saks is still on Fifth Avenue. Like, what does this mean for my day to day? Yes. And welcome.

[Madeline Schultz]

Thank you. Thanks for having me. My first time on the pod.

[Margot]

Oh, my God.

[Madeline Schultz]

So happy to be here. Um, yeah, Saks is still open. Newman's still open, Bergdorf is still open. But basically, what happened? Zooming back to December 2024, Sachs acquired Neiman Marcus Group. So Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf and ever since then have just kind of been going through financial struggles, delaying sometimes missing payments to brands, missing debt payments. Until last week, they wound up filing for bankruptcy, but they also announced 1.75 billion, I believe it was in financing commitments, which is what's enabling them to stay open as they kind of restructure.

[Chloe]

What does that mean? Financing commitments? That mean they're paying back the vendors that they owe?

[Margot]

No, we wish.

[Madeline Schultz]

It means that they've secured 1.75 bill to essentially kind of restructure behind the scenes. Theoretically, some of this can be used to pay back some brands, the bigger brands, um, but in all likelihood, most of the payments that they owe. Brands from pre bankruptcy probably won't get Paid back.

[Chloe]

Um, I want to know if is there any concern that my Bergdorf's gift card is not going to be working anytime soon?

[Choma Nardi]

No.

[Madeline Schultz]

Okay, great. They've made sure to ensure everyone that that will still work.

[Chloe]

I didn't get. I literally sent wrote to, I don't know, the IRS about my Barneys $500 gift card, and I still have not gotten that.

[Madeline Schultz]

No, it's not a Bonnie's. Yeah, just yet, Maddie.

[Chloe]

I feel like all I keep hearing about is all of the especially smaller brands, independent brands, that Saks owes money to. What is there any hope for them? Are they going to get it paid finally?

[Madeline Schultz]

So it's not looking great. So basically we've seen sort of the companies that Saks owes the most money to. Chanel is owed $136 million, which is insane. Wow. But we've seen, I think, the top 30 companies that are owed. But as you say, it's really the independent designers, I think that are getting burned the worst. I spoke to a lot last week who were keen to remain anonymous in part because they're hoping to see some of those payments eventually, but more, I think, just to maintain relationships with Saks for if and when they do get out of hot water. But, yeah, for these designers, it's super hard. Like, for a lot of them, Saks retailers are the biggest wholesale accounts. One New York designer was telling me that he essentially plans his whole year around these Saks buys. So that's how he's paying his team, that's how he's paying his factories, that's how he's hopefully putting on his show next month.

[Choma Nardi]

Wow. What else?

[Arden]

Tell us about.

[Chloe]

Give us the overline on your amazing. I feel like it was like 10 to 12 articles in your fashion's reset package. What was the impetus for that?

[Madeline Schultz]

Yeah, so basically, post, I think it was 15 designer debuts last season.

[Chloe]

16, if I.

[Madeline Schultz]

16, I think I recall. Yeah. Well, after all those debuts, we were kind of having many conversations at the office. Well, first everyone breathes a sigh of relief. And then we got into the conversations about the fact that the work is by no means done and how it will only kind of ramp up from here. A lot of designers at the time were still sort of bringing people onto their creative and behind the scenes teams. Now a lot of the collections are hitting stores. We've seen Gucci, we've seen Dior. So the impetus was basically that, yes, the quote unquote, sort of creative reset has happened in terms of the first collections being out, but now it's almost as if the real work starts or at least continues. So, yeah, all the articles kind of look at what phase two or sort of the real reset, if you will, will look like and what it will mean, from sort of pricing strategies to marketing strategies to when or if this sort of quote unquote, reset will ever really wrap up.

[Chloe]

What was the most surprising thing you learned reporting those stories?

[Madeline Schultz]

So, mine was on pricing. And obviously brands are never keen to talk to us about pricing. They want to talk about the creative. But yeah, I think pricing wise, what was most interesting to me was that obviously brands are never going to put down their prices. But a lot of people spoke about how this is kind of an opportunity for brands to introduce some lower ticket items than like a $5,000 bag. So Michael Ryder, for instance, at Celine has a bag for 2000, something which, not to say that's accessible, but I think by luxury standards these days, more people can buy it. So that, I think was sort of my biggest takeaway on the pricing side.

[Chloe]

Hmm.

[Choma Nardi]

Curious to see if there's a. If there's a debut you're really excited about this season.

[Madeline Schultz]

There's many. I don't know if this is a cop out answer, but I'm really keen to see Rachel Scott, A Dear Teamer. I know we got a taster last.

[Chloe]

All very excited.

[Madeline Schultz]

I cannot wait. But yeah, I'm really excited to see it. A, kind of in Runway format and B, just to see her sort of full vision. Because I know last season was more of a collaboration with the design team, but it was looking good. So I'm up to a scene.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah. Love her.

[Chloe]

Okay, Choma, we have a lot to discuss in headlines this week. We're going to say bye to Maddie. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Madeline Schultz]

Thanks for having me.

[Chloe]

Choma, where were you when you found out Valentino had died?

[Choma Nardi]

Oh, it was the evening. It was. It was Monday evening. So I was on my way home and my friend canceled dinner on me because she had to write about it.

[Margot]

Oh, wow.

[Choma Nardi]

For the Times of London. So she was like, I'm so sorry. But I was like, oh, gosh. Yeah, of course. And she was like, do you have a quote? And I was like, actually, I feel like it's been an education for me to learn about him in these last few days. Cause I never. I never went to any of the shows. I didn't meet him. But I was just in Hamish Bowles office, our wonderful colleague. And he's just written a fantastic piece, a really comprehensive kind of piece about his life and his work.

[Chloe]

Hamish is so remarkably adept at. I mean, he truly turned that around. I emailed Hamish right when I found out we were all off for Martin Luther King Jr. Day. But we found out around noon and I emailed Hamish and I said, well, also. Cause Hamish had known Valentino for decades. So I was like, hamish, I'm so sorry for your loss and could you write something by tomorrow? And he wrote this beautiful, comprehensive tribute that's extremely touching. But also I feel like I learned so much about all of Valentino and Giancarlo Giametti's relationship and how they first met, which was so.

[Choma Nardi]

I didn't realize they'd been. I mean they were lifelong. I know, friends and partners, incredible partnership. I sort of want to know more about that. In fact, I just kind of left me thinking, wow, like, who has those kind of, who has that kind of relationship over the course of their life? I was just speaking to him. It's just like, you know what? All of my Valentino books are actually out in my country house. So he was writing this kind of. I just was like, I just, you know, because he's, he's such an encyclopedia of fashion. But yeah, he had to, he had to do this without his, his like full library, full fashion Libra. So very impressed.

[Chloe]

And such amazing photographs that we found for this and that Hamish references this incredible shoot at Cy Twombly's apartment in Rome with all Valentino sort of embellished white sort of three piece suits and skirt suits with Mirella Agnelli and Marisa Berenson. I mean it just incredible pieces. This Beautiful shot of Mr. Valentino with Diana Freeland who he adored and also learning about the way that Valentino came up in the business and where he was sort of studying with French couturiers. I just, we learned a lot. We also had an amazing interview with Alessandro Michele and as told to about his memories of Valentino. Obviously he is the current designer at the house and so that I thought was quite touching.

[Choma Nardi]

93 as well. I mean, you know, such a long, insanely magical life and moved so many. And. And yeah.

[Chloe]

And that the Valentino documentary by Matt Turn our is really, I think.

[Choma Nardi]

Oh, I need to see that.

[Chloe]

You've never seen it?

[Choma Nardi]

No.

[Chloe]

Oh my God.

[Margot]

Choma.

[Chloe]

I feel like that's the most.

[Choma Nardi]

That's my weekend.

[Chloe]

That's my weekend beloved fashion documentary. And I think it really exposed so many people to the inner workings of the fashion world in a way that people just didn't understand or Realize before they saw that, I thought it's such. I should watch that again.

[Choma Nardi]

I've seen it.

[Chloe]

I'm sure you have.

[Choma Nardi]

Oh, the last Emperor. Yes, of course. I remember. That was such a good doc, but I have to rewatch it because it's been a minute.

[Chloe]

Okay. So Choma, we are smack dab in the middle of the men's shows in Paris, and they just finished up in Milan. And today we are recording this on Wednesday afternoon. Today, Jonathan Anderson had this thrilling sophomore men's collection that people are very excited about that have these crazy blonde wigs. And I want to know what you thought about everything so far. And also, Pharrell's show was last night.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah, I mean, I loved this. I'm just kind of. I know that Dior show just happens. I have. I don't think the review is up yet, and I'm so curious to know. I imagine that Sarah Mo is writing about it, but I looked. That first look was like, oh, so cool to like. It's like 2016 or maybe 2000 and tens of what Kate Moss would have worn to a festival. This, like, glittery kind of vintage inspired top with these skinny, faded jeans. It just was, like, so the coolest thing to do on a guy. I think he's always kind of playing with our expectations of what menswear should look like. I love that he did all those. The shrunken bar jackets, but with. With kind of cargo denim pants. I've been loving the denim he's been doing from the denim skirts of last season that he did for women's. And those wonderful kind of patchwork, very eccentric looking coats that have a silk. A kind of like a silk shawl over the top and furry cuffs. Just like, really, really cool. Very cool. Very, very into this men's collection. And love how the men's and women's collections have been in kind of conversation with each other in this way that's not totally obvious, but is definitely there. And you're kind of getting to see his Dior emerge. And I think he's often really. Because menswear was where Jonathan Anderson started, and I often feel like his men's collections are just so super strong. And he's definitely.

[Chloe]

It has such a strong point of view.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah, he's just like the equivalent of being ambidextrous, being able to design men's and women's with a same kind of level of fluency. So, yeah, super into it. Can't wait to sort of hear what it was like to be in the Room and what the. To get Sarah's take on it. And then I think that the. The Prada show. Everybody's been talking about that Prada show. Actually let me cycle back because you mentioned Louis Vuitton, and I thought that the set design was so fabulous for Louis Vuitton. They basically created a whole apartment with the most fabulous furniture because obviously I was obsessing about the sofas because sofas are always my obsession, because I think that more than a handbag, a good sofa is like a lifetime investment. So it was really cool to see Pharrell and his imagination run wild with. With this crazy set and a really strong collection. So that was cool to see, and that must have been great to be there. I'm excited to go. It gave me the itch to be in Paris again. I'm going to Couture, just for one night only, next week to see Ch and Dior, to see Mathieu's first couture collection. Oh, fun.

[Chloe]

I'm so excited to hear the reports.

[Margot]

Yeah.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna have lunch with our colleague Fran before.

[Chloe]

Oh, fun.

[Choma Nardi]

I'm gonna take the early train and then go and see Dior. That will be Jonathan Anderson's first couture collection. And then the next day is Chanel.

[Chloe]

So exciting. Nicole is also going Couture tour debuts.

[Choma Nardi]

Couture debuts.

[Chloe]

Oh, great. And yes, everyone should listen to Nicole's great conversation with Sam Hein about the men' and we saw Prada rejecting us corporate masculine power in their show, which had very thin models. And Dolce and Gabbana, which had a very not diverse slate of models.

[Choma Nardi]

Obviously everybody looks to Prada in Milan. Such a. It's such a season defining show. And this season, the silhouette, I think, was really interesting. It was really skinny. It was these very, very slim cut coats that I think. I think men and women will be wearing Choma.

[Chloe]

We have exciting news to share. We are now officially on YouTube. We launched our first episode with Amanda Seyfried on Tuesday and we will be having more episodes airing regularly. So please stay tuned and subscribe to the run through with Vogue podcast on YouTube.

[Choma Nardi]

And one more thing. We're recording another one of our mailbag episodes next week. So that means we want your questions. So please, please, please, please, please email [e-mail] or you can leave a comment under this episode on Spotify. We'd love to hear from you. And the run through will be back with our beauty editors, Margot and Arden. After this short break.

[Margot]

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[Arden]

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[Margot]

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[Arden]

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[Margot]

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[Choma Nardi]

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[Margot]

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[Choma Nardi]

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[Arden]

Hi.

[Choma Nardi]

Arden and Margot, my favorite ladies. Welcome back to the podcast.

[Margot]

Hello, trauma.

[Choma Nardi]

How has it been a year since our annual beauty and wellness? Like, what do we want to call this?

[Arden]

Catch up?

[Margot]

Yeah, no, maybe an update manifesto.

[Choma Nardi]

Update. Yeah, because we're going to be talking.

[Arden]

About some oldies, you know, some. Some resounding trends that are still happening in the beauty and wellness world, but there's also a lot of new stuff to catch you up on.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah, I was actually today. This morning, I was shook. I was shook because I used this. I guess one of the new. The new Samsung watches has a feature where you can put your finger on it and it tells you if you've eaten enough vegetables. No way. Because it registers you're some sort of antioxidants or they. They met. They. They've explained it to me, but I was like, I was so. And because obviously, you know, I'm very into making sure that 70 of my diet is plant based. And I was. They. They were like, you're the only person we've met that has the adequate amount.

[Margot]

Really?

[Arden]

Okay. I was gonna say this is a safe space. You can tell us.

[Choma Nardi]

You made the best. I mean, my breakfast is. My breakfast has been updated since the last time we spoke. Wait, what is your breakfast?

[Arden]

What did everyone have for breakfast?

[Margot]

Well, it's like, I like knowing Choma's broth intake. I feel like you're really good about a delicious broth. Yeah, my breakfast today was coffee. I'm the bad kid. I'm the bad girl.

[Choma Nardi]

No, but that's intermittent fasting. We welcome all approaches.

[Chloe]

Thank you.

[Margot]

That is my approach. That's the way I start my day.

[Arden]

And what did you have, Choma?

[Choma Nardi]

Well, a lot more than that, let me just tell you. Do you. Do we really want to get into it? It's going to take a big chunk of our podcast, but I'm going to go there. I'm going to make it as quick as I can. So I started with a liver cleanse tea, which is a combination of yarrow and wormwood herbs that I make myself.

[Margot]

Okay.

[Choma Nardi]

Then. Then I made myself a miso soup. And with. And I added a bit of bone. I added a bit of powdered bone broth, and I threw in some seaweed and some shiitake mushrooms.

[Arden]

Yum.

[Choma Nardi]

Then I had a caffeine free matcha. Oh, caffeine with just the powder? Yeah, just. It's. It's actually mulberry powder. Listen, I already sound insane. I sound insane. And I'm still going. So that. And. And I also had a wheat groscha.

[Arden]

Did you make this at home? Are you growing?

[Choma Nardi]

Okay, no, the wheat crusher I have in like, I guess they're in frozen packets. So I had that and then I had a. What I call my protein rich porridge, which was. Because I'm seed cycling, ladies, I'm in my luteal phase, if you want to know.

[Margot]

Okay.

[Choma Nardi]

So I did a spoonful of sesame, sesame seeds, ground sesame seeds, a spoonful of steel cut oats, a spoonful of powdered almonds and chia seeds and maca and a little dash of acai powder, some walnuts, some three brazil nuts because that lowers your cholesterol and you need.

[Arden]

It for selenium, which is one of the hardest.

[Choma Nardi]

But just three. Yeah, three only. Then some because I'm seed cycling. I also added sunflower seeds, then I had pomegranate seeds, then I had blueberries, raspberries, blackberries.

[Arden]

How long does it take to make all of this?

[Choma Nardi]

Or is it 20 minutes? Okay, about some. Some of it I can kind of prepare the night before. And then I just put a little teaspoonful of. Of. Of ghee for some healthy fats. And then I have a spoonful of black seed oil.

[Arden]

Oh, black seed oil tastes terrible. I don't know how you do it.

[Choma Nardi]

I know.

[Arden]

That's so impressive, though.

[Choma Nardi]

Isn't that crazy? I don't even know if we want to make this public because I'm low key embarrassed about how crazy it is. But it gets me a good rating on a. On a. Yeah.

[Margot]

That's a celebrity morning.

[Arden]

Yeah.

[Margot]

I mean, like, that's your private chat. Yes, that's. It's. This is what fascinates people. People want to know. People want to know. The obsession with 2016 just in the last couple of weeks. And as we, like, kicked off 2026 is making me think a lot. Like, you know, it's weird that it's been a decade since then now, but, like, so much has actually changed in that 10 years. And, I mean, we knew each other in 2016, Troma. And just thinking about the, like, there was, like, wellness was emerging in a way where people were still suspicious about wellness.

[Arden]

Just like that. Yeah. That was when I started at goop. And people definitely had a reaction when I would tell them that I worked at goop. Whether it was like, that's so cool. I'm so curious about them, or, like, not so positive. And it's funny because so many of those people now are the ones that are leading a parasite cleanse on social media or something. And I'm like, wow, The. The way the pendulum really swung around on these wellness things, these wellness trends, from when I started at GOOP to now when I'm here and I'm talking almost always about the exact same things I was writing about at goop.

[Margot]

It was ahead of its time, though.

[Arden]

You will never see a picture of me from 2016. One of our former coworkers who's now at Vanity Fair, put up on Instagram. She's. Elise Taylor was like, I looked broke. My face was bad in 2016. And I had never related to anything more. Like, you will not be seeing a photo of me with my black choker on because. Because I have an idea of myself I'd like to maintain. And it's not that girl.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah.

[Margot]

What was your choma. What was your beauty in 2016? I think that mine was, like, a lot of top knots and side bangs. You know, like, it was like top knot, side bangs. And I. And still glitter.

[Choma Nardi]

Glitter forever.

[Arden]

Glitter eternal.

[Margot]

But it never. Like, none of the contouring hit me. I didn't get that into fake lashes. Like, kind of like those. Like, the rise of Kardashian beauty at the time skipped me.

[Choma Nardi]

No, I didn't really. I've never really had a strong beauty look. I did for a while. I did a very strong lip with a. It's just very 2016. Maybe it was a little priest 2016 with, like, a fedora hat, something like that, you know? Like, we know that. I guess it's fashion. Fashion piece.

[Margot]

Beauty.

[Choma Nardi]

And then I also did. I. I loved a bit of glitter around the art. Like a. Not glitter, but gold. Like, it was very Bjork inspired. I think Bjork had, like, a light kind of eyeliner that was, like a gold line. And so I used to do like that for a while. So I just have, like, a line under my eye. But that was it. I wasn't. I didn't have. I'm actually. What re. I guess younger just came back on. On. Are you good?

[Arden]

Love. I do love yesterday. Yes, of course.

[Choma Nardi]

Binge watched that. And it was, like, giving me flashbacks to that time in New York and the things people wore and the sort of explosion of tattoo. Tattoos and that. Like, tattoo parlors in. In Williamsburg. And like, it was a time just.

[Margot]

Talking about this and just like, the sort of, like, what is the state of tattoos right now in 2026?

[Arden]

Well, I feel so bad I assigned to someone.

[Choma Nardi]

I feel like I'm the last person on the last.

[Margot]

I have zero. I have zero.

[Arden]

I'm, like, kind of scared to confess this. My dad used to always tell me, I'll always love you, but I'll never hesitate to write you out of the will if you get a tattoo. I don't even think my family knows this about me. I got a tattoo when I was 16. I used a fake ID. Real exclusive. Yeah. In Deep Ellum in Dallas, Texas.

[Margot]

Great spot. That's like, the very. What could we tell? It's sort of the East Village of Dallas Choma. Very cool. Very, like, you see that? You see bands play. It was like, the first Buffalo exchange was in Deep Ellum. Yeah.

[Arden]

And my body's totally metabolized. It's, like, barely there now, because where's your body?

[Choma Nardi]

Is it.

[Arden]

It's on my side. The classic, like, what? That would have been 2005, 2006. When I got it, like, a junior in high school, I got it on my side. I don't know how this person thought. If you saw a picture of me of a junior in high school, no one thought I was 18. And I thought it was so cool. Obviously, it's a hamsa hand, which is like a Middle Eastern symbol that protects you. But the thing is, evil eyes are meant to fall off of you when they have protected you from the big thing. So I didn't realize at the time it was, like, very bad luck to get one permanently tattooed on my body. So I'm glad it's gone. That baby has just Taken all of the bad energy and absorbed it, I guess. But I will never get a tattoo again, though. I dream sort of of getting like a pinup girl tattoo if I was going to get one. But it's like, not my aesthetic at all. But I just love, like, old Sailor Jerry tattoos that are like pinup girls and stuff. Vintage lady sensual.

[Choma Nardi]

Is it? I mean, I remember when we first started doing tattoo coverage, which seems crazy, but I remember people were so engaged and obviously I still think now it's just mainstream, right? There's like, other, like, tattoo trends. Is this a thing? Like, I have.

[Margot]

No, apparently they're like, people will do tattoo pop ups for, like, you know, festivals and things, and people just get a tattoo that day, like really cast.

[Arden]

So no big deal.

[Margot]

It's so no big deal. It's just like getting a tooth gem, you know, it's just like, who cares? Like, if you need to get it removed, the pico laser is, you know, one derm call away, which I'm like.

[Arden]

The pico laser hurts. I just got that on my face. I have become obsessed with lasers.

[Choma Nardi]

Hold on, hold on. What is a pico laser?

[Margot]

So it's this nano, nano, nano tiny laser that was designed to remove tattoos, but then they realized that it was actually really good at removing pigment from your face. So if you have melasma, like I have melasma on my face that I call like my Homer Simpson goatee, which is.

[Choma Nardi]

Oh, I've got one of those. Yes, I know, the lower part of my face. Exactly.

[Margot]

If I let myself get too much sun or if I do too much sauna ing, which sauna and heat brings it out. If I sit in too many hot baths, it'll just sort of like I'm just Homer Simpson. And the pico laser will take that. It just blasts it off and it just brings your normal skin tone, you know, back to the surface, basically.

[Arden]

Yeah.

[Choma Nardi]

And isn't now the time to do all those?

[Arden]

This is laser season, baby.

[Margot]

Correct. The winter, the low light is laser season.

[Arden]

When you are not going to the beach. You cannot have a present tan when you get a laser because it affects the laser seeing the, like, melanated spots. Like maybe you have. I have a sunspot every couple of inches, it feels like on my face. But last year was my year of lasers. And it's interesting because I posted this picture of all of the work I had done last year on Instagram, like a slideshow. So all of the lasers then showing the peeling. I mean, I did have injectables last year also, but a lot of stuff. And it was really like showing the imperfectness, trying to get better skin. I would never say perfect skin. Um, but it's funny because it totally aligned with. Recently we saw. I think it was like the Instagram CEO saying that in the world where we're fighting back against AI, people are going to start posting really, like revealing their imperfections online. Not wanting a perfect background.

[Chloe]

Not wanting.

[Arden]

And this transparency of plastic surgery or work done is also something so big and a huge conversation. Obviously we have people confessing to facelifts, talking about getting a blepharoplasty. Like, there is this new wave of honesty that I'm finding really excited. Like when Marc Jacobs admitted he got a facelift, everyone freaked out.

[Margot]

Years ago that did kind of kick it off and was just documenting along the way, like every.

[Arden]

And now it's like everyone's talking about their thing. It's. It's almost like a brag in some ways. But also I find it really nice that at least people are willing to show what they've had done. And I do think it's like sort of an anti AI push to be like, I didn't facetune. I did the work to get this done. But also, here's how I did it.

[Choma Nardi]

Interesting take. I do think that some people are still keeping secrets and saying, ah, I didn't do anything.

[Margot]

Yeah, I just got a lot of sleep.

[Arden]

And people who are like, it's water drive me crazy. I drink a lot of water.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah, I mean, like, I drink a lot of water. I have a lot of crazy health things. I mean, and I wouldn't. I. I think I take it to an extreme. I'm at an age where the little things, like having a glass of wine really can derail me. So that's why I'm really hyper into these things.

[Chloe]

The run through will be back in a moment.

[Choma Nardi]

I do think one of the bright spots of this time of year is awards season. Cause it is a kind of a fun.

[Chloe]

Come see critics at large live. On February 19th, we're gonna be at the 92nd Street Y in New York City for a conversation about Wuthering Heights. There's a new adaptation coming up starring Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi. And we will certainly be getting into that. But. But we'll also do what we humbly. I'll say what we do best. Returning to the text, we're gonna go deep on the gothic and Emily Bronte. Join me, Vincent Cunningham and my co hosts Alex Schwartz. And nomi Frye for the discussion. And crucially, if you buy a VIP ticket, you'll join us for an after party too. Go to 92ny.org for more information. That's 92NY. Hope to see you there.

[Choma Nardi]

It's sort of like the fun thing that's happening. And I do. I have been enjoying what I've been seeing as far as beauty trends on the, on the red carpet. I've been loving this old Hollywood hair, for example, and I wanted to get your take on what you've seen so far and how it compares to what you saw on the Runway last season. Are there, are there any connections? Because obviously we see a direct link from the, from the fashion trends or the, the looks that we see appear on the, on the red carpet. But I'm not sure if the same is quite true for the, for beauty because I think people have gotten more conservative or a little bit more like, throwback in their, in their beauty lately. Well, yeah, I'd love to know what.

[Margot]

You kind of wrote about this for your British Vogue. You kindly let me write the article on how updates were making a comeback Choma. And that is, I think the first where we saw this was like the runways and sort of being backstage and realizing that people, like when Margo and I were slacking about Guido's sort of like elaborate hair comb chignons at the Row, and then Ebony Frausto was doing sort of like a romantic ringlet at Sandy Lang that ended up playing into our romantic beauty trend. And then there were, you know, just sort of. There were so many pulled back moments that were either sort of like, I don't know, it just felt, it did feel a little retro. We always talk about kiss curls.

[Arden]

Oh, yeah.

[Margot]

Things like that. We're seeing that I think are more red carpet right now.

[Arden]

Like, totally. I definitely think that the updo being a thing started with the French pen. Like, we were seeing tons. I was seeing it everywhere. I was seeing it on Instagram and TikTok. I was seeing it on Street Style Girls. And it's sort of slowly evolving this. I mean, we are early into awards season, obviously, but it is slowly getting a little sharper, which I'm excited about. Like, it was sexy, it was undone, it was casual. And now we're seeing people, you know, purposefully flat ironing a piece of it and having it stick out. Like it's more of a avant garde building or something. You know, something really interesting and cool. And that feels very special occasion. Like, that's what I've always Loved about an updo is that that it takes time and effort. The K pop demon hunters girls are killing it on the red carpet right now. Everyone is giving me a different cool beauty look. We're seeing cool hair moments. We are seeing braids, we're seeing black lipstick. Like, I think that they hard look to pull off. Yes.

[Choma Nardi]

I always feel like, true, true, true.

[Arden]

They're giving. I mean, that Talk about Twix 2016 Beauty. For me, that black Kylie lip kit really had a chokehold on me. But I love that they, they're really like revitalizing it for me. People are texting me, being like, wow, this looks so cool. And I do love old Hollywood. I mean that I really sometimes feel like I'm screaming into my own void about how much I love a wet set or something. But it's, it's still fun to see it and I think it's, it's a nice way to feel pretty. And you can always tell how you know when someone feels confident. I feel like you can really tell. And everyone always feels confident and it's coming out when they have like an old Hollywood look.

[Choma Nardi]

Selena Gomez at the, at the, at the, at the Globes for me was.

[Arden]

Just that, oh, she looked incredible in that Chanel custom Chanel.

[Choma Nardi]

And that, that gorgeous kind of, those kind of pin curl, that pin curl bob that she had, that was really cool.

[Arden]

I mean, the bob is not, it's.

[Choma Nardi]

Not going away well. And that's.

[Margot]

It's interesting.

[Arden]

Speaking of two bobs. Two bobs.

[Margot]

People that are throwing out their bobs.

[Choma Nardi]

So what, what form is a bob gonna take this year? Because I feel like the bob just keeps coming back around.

[Margot]

I think so too. I don't think that it's actually gonna go anywhere because it is so flattering. And I just think it's interesting to see people restyling it. And so it's like it's. Some of these old Hollywood looks on the red carpet are flattering for a bob. And updo is something that you can do even if you have a bob and really like slicking it back and having something where you can, you know, feeling the, the hair off of your neck is a wonderful feeling. And so, like, that's part of it too. And I mean, it's. We had Millie, Bobby Brown's. Millie, Bobby Brown Bob. Millie, Bobby Bob, Bobby Bob that people went wild for.

[Arden]

I mean, yeah, I, to me, the bob that I'm seeing right now, the bob that I'm seeing is a sort of almost like Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction.

[Margot]

Bob.

[Arden]

Little bit of a mic reference. Yeah. A little bit of a micro bang, maybe, or just like very sharp, very, very razored. I think that a lot of the Bobs that we've been seeing have been like Dulce Vita style, and maybe we're getting a little bit more into the grungy type of Bob.

[Margot]

Perhaps my favorite judge on one of my favorite Korean reality romance shows has like a really perfect, perfectly razored bob with almost like little mini bangs, but she wears it super wet and it just looks so cool because it's essentially like a wet look Bob that's down.

[Arden]

Yeah. I don't expect it to go anywhere, though. You know, we're seeing a lot of, like, pixie and shorter cuts too. But Emma Stone has really given us a beautiful masterclass and like a grow out. Now she's in her Bob era. I interviewed both her and her hairstylist in the anticipation of the Golden Globes, and it was really fun to talk to her about, like, what the experience has been like growing her bob out. It's not always as graceful.

[Choma Nardi]

It's amazing too. Yeah.

[Madeline Schultz]

She.

[Choma Nardi]

She managed it well. I'm curious about these new hair trends. I don't know what hair caught it.

[Chloe]

To me.

[Margot]

Oh, yeah.

[Arden]

This was a big story for us, and it is about specifically highlighting, adding highlights to specific places in your hair. So it's really meant for people that have lighter hair colors or brown with highlights to enhance your features. So if the idea of like a contour is helping to give you a cheekbone and drawing your eye to that area, you would also highlight there to sort of echo. Like, perhaps you have these face framing pieces. We call it sort of like a. It can be a Scandinavian hairline where the hairline is a bit lighter to brighten your face.

[Margot]

People call them money pieces sometimes, which is like money pieces. Is it embarrassing? Maybe a little bit embarrassing.

[Arden]

Well, I did ask someone about the name of it because I was so confused. And I guess it's when you only have a little bit of money so you get the front highlighted. That's where it came from.

[Chloe]

But funny.

[Arden]

And so this is like strategically even in one single highlight, varying up the shades within that one highlight to enhance your features.

[Choma Nardi]

Hmm. Okay.

[Arden]

Seems like a lot of work for your colorist, right?

[Choma Nardi]

It does.

[Margot]

And we talked to Priscilla, who just launched a brand, Perlino, and she does the extensions for like, Hailey Bieber and Khloe Kardashian, and she, like, what she thinks is she's putting extensions even into Bob. So when you see somebody with just, like, a bob with a ton of movement, and you're like, wow, it still has, like, you know, a lot of times hair that isn't theirs. And she was sort of explaining that process and how it's just like. I mean, it's extreme, incredibly expensive hair. It's. If you are really doing it right so that it's not affecting your natural growth cycle and, you know, not creating damage, then you're getting it changed. No. Like, every six weeks. It's not like, you know what's involved. It's so much maintenance that you understand why it is, like, it's really transformative, but it's also a new. A new part of your life.

[Arden]

Totally.

[Choma Nardi]

I don't think I could add anything, given my breakfast routine.

[Margot]

Mm.

[Arden]

I think that's sort of the interesting thing about social media now is that, like, everything is a trend. Nothing is a trend. It moves so quickly. But that's also the fun thing is you can just do whatever you want, sort of, and it. It falls into a trend. A lot of the time, like, that super long hair bobs were happening at the moment, but also super long hair.

[Margot]

Was happening, and it's always that way. I think it's like each extreme is happening at the exact same time, where it's sort of like, right now, we were talking about how one of the big trends that we're gonna see this year is romantic beauty, which is if you are sort of like, what's romantic beauty? We started seeing it on the runways, and so. And whenever I was, I was lucky enough to go to Jonathan Anderson's first yout show, where Peter Phillips was doing the makeup for it. And he mentioned that he had been inspired also by the men's show, where it was just, like, really light beauty. And so like, a sort of, like, romantic soft makeup, soft blush, a natural nail where you're not gonna have, like, you know, an acrylic on. It's because it's almost as if it could step right into, like, a period drama. And that's where we're all sort of escaping right now is like, we're all. At least I am. Like, sometimes I'll just, like, fall asleep to, like, another version of Jane Eyre from 1984, because it's so soothing.

[Choma Nardi]

Well, we go. We. Weathering Heights.

[Margot]

We've got Weathering Heights sensibility.

[Arden]

British folk cover for Weathering Heights.

[Margot]

Margot Robbie looking beautiful. Jane Austen. It's like, you know, we just.

[Arden]

It was the 250th anniversary of Jane Austen, and Like a Netflix.

[Margot]

Yeah, right.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah. Sense and sensibility and pride and friendship.

[Arden]

I mean, Daisy Edgar Jones does romantic beauty. So stunning.

[Margot]

Oh, that's a good point. She.

[Arden]

I mean, she always has a beautiful cheek. Her hair is very windswept, like Marie Antoinette.

[Margot]

Blush was trending for a long time because people are just looking. And so it's like that sort of soft. Like, it's not so obvious. It actually takes a lot longer to get ready in this, like, sort of natural, romantic beauty way, which is what Alice Raab, our writer, who is writing about it right now for us, was mentioning. But also at that same time, this sort of, like, messy. It's hard to talk about the era without saying indie sleaze whenever. That is so not what we were calling it at the time.

[Arden]

Back to 2010.

[Choma Nardi]

You know what I mean?

[Margot]

Back to 2010. But it's like, that is happening. That sort of like, Kate Moss smoky eye, pale lip. Like the antithesis of clean girl beauty that we saw for the last couple of years.

[Choma Nardi]

And it's just, well, I'm ready for Klinger. I'll boot you. To move on.

[Arden]

Have y' all seen Zara Larson's tour beauty looks? She is a pop star, international pop star, and her makeup artist, Sophia Sinnott has been doing the most incredible, like, hard blush and a big, you know, like, almost Lisa Frank style eye. There's glitter. It's like, I don't want to call it Euphoria makeup because it feels very different. And also, we just got our Euphoria trailer, and I feel like I didn't see any of the Euphoria makeup from season one, but it is just so fun. It's so joyful. I am curious to see how it translates. Like, none of us are pop stars here, but not all of us out in the world are pop stars going on tour. And, like, how, though these pops of color will translate into everyday life, whether it's, you know, we're wearing one little gym on each eye, not 30, or something like that. But I'm excited for sort of over the top. We love glitter. More glitter.

[Margot]

We love glitter. And also, I think that that's the thing. There's such a tie to music and real beauty looks because you can really experiment on the stage. And we get so much of our inspiration from pop style, festival style, beauty.

[Choma Nardi]

I mean, the moment any of these festivals roll around, I don't think people are afraid. I don't think young women now are afraid to experiment with that.

[Arden]

And that's the great thing about YouTube is everyone can, like, learn how to do something now that they don't know well.

[Margot]

And now that everyone's sort of going into this, like, I want it to look human, touched. I don't want it to look AI. Then, like, you're allowed to be a little bit less. It's when we're talking about imperfections, where even the shelfy aesthetic that we were so used to over the past five years has now turned into, like, messy, cluttered countertops. And, like, that's what people want to see. They want to see a little bit of the behind the scenes. That feels real.

[Madeline Schultz]

Yeah.

[Choma Nardi]

And.

[Margot]

And then that just gives people more permission to play a little bit and not have to worry about having everything just exactly as if they were a filter.

[Arden]

I couldn't do it if I wanted to.

[Margot]

Right.

[Choma Nardi]

And what's the deal? What's the big obsession with teeth right now? I heard, Margo, that you talked to Rick Owens about toothpaste, and I'm wondering if it's something I need to try out. What's going on here?

[Arden]

Um, I think that it's just sort of like, Rick said something. This is not a direct quote, obviously, to me, that I thought was so fun and poignant, which is like, you're gonna brush your teeth every single day. Why not have it be fun and joyful and elevated and. Yes, actually, like, why can't I have a nice toothbrush that is really beautiful also? And toothpaste that isn't just, like, a functional whatever. It tastes nice. His toothpaste is a very specific taste.

[Margot]

It's like.

[Arden]

It's like gin and cigarettes.

[Choma Nardi]

I don't know if I want that as a tea that feels like. I like mint. I'm sorry.

[Arden]

I'm just gonna say. Yeah. It doesn't have to be cool Arctic Blast necessarily, though. You can have an elevated mint. He did his toothpaste with this brand called Celaton, which I like. They have lots of other things, other flavors, but also Marvis makes really, really great. Like, they have a beautiful, like, cardamom toothpaste that I really like.

[Choma Nardi]

I just need my toothpaste to work. I don't need it to taste good. I'm sorry, but what about.

[Arden]

What about a little joy when you're brushing your teeth?

[Choma Nardi]

I mean, how many flavors am I cycling through in the first hour of my day?

[Arden]

I think that is true, but I don't need.

[Margot]

I don't need any neutral base.

[Arden]

We're getting elevated mint toothpaste, and maybe it'll change your mind.

[Choma Nardi]

I don't know, guys, I feel like I just want it to feel good. Don't you just want a nice electric toothbrush that does the job? And like, oral health is really important. We're not going to get into oral health right now. But I do want to ask you about this fitness trend, the 4x4, because I'm always looking to like, do less in, you know, do less and be more, have, have more higher impact. Right. So what do you guys think of this Norwegian 4x4 have.

[Arden]

I don't know about this, actually.

[Choma Nardi]

I haven't tried this.

[Margot]

This is like. Is it sort of like hit training? That's what we're talk.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Margot]

And it's like four minutes of like super max effort and then repeat it four times and then.

[Arden]

Oh, so it's like Japanese walking kind of.

[Margot]

It's that sort of idea of like going as hard as you can and then giving yourself a little bit of a break and then repeat and then. Right. I mean, I haven't done it, but that's as far as I've gotten in the trend name.

[Arden]

Okay. So Japanese walking is something that was trending earlier this year and it's the idea one that you're out in nature, you're walking but you're pushing it. Sort of like a max walking, light jogging speed for a certain amount of time and then giving yourself breaks and doing the interval training. And I have found it very enjoyable as someone who does not like to exercise and I just started going to Equinox. I would do Pilates like once a month and be like, oh, I'm so good. And now I'm going to Equinox twice a week and working with a trainer.

[Choma Nardi]

Yeah.

[Arden]

Because is this a new thing, like literally one month in? Yes.

[Choma Nardi]

How's that going for you?

[Arden]

I am so sore all the time.

[Choma Nardi]

I know this is why I can't.

[Arden]

Do this, but I actually have noticed that it's easier for me to pick up things. But there's so many conversations right now about strength training and how important it is for women, whether it comes to bone density, future health. I can do a 15 pound weight now. That's my new update. We started at five, we're at 15. I went and we've been working on what I'm calling my heated rivalry. But I know heated rivalry just launched over there in the uk. I don't know if you.

[Choma Nardi]

It did. Everybody in the office is obsessed. Like, that is all that we're talking about.

[Arden]

I actually talked to Hudson.

[Choma Nardi]

Did you?

[Arden]

Yes. Like at the beginning of this craze about his glutes and lower leg routine and abs a little.

[Choma Nardi]

Oh, tell me more. I wanna, I wanna.

[Arden]

He told me, like, the names, first of all. The names of the exercises that they have you doing are like possessed crab walk, like, oh, no, I don't know about that. Ditch digging death experience. I'm like, none of this sounds fun, but. And they're very, very hard. Wow, my butt was so sore. And I do have to say I think they work. So I've been incorporating that into my routine a little. I. I want a heated rivalry asset, if you know what I'm saying.

[Choma Nardi]

Okay.

[Arden]

Yeah. Those boys are really handsome, though. And it's a fun show to watch. Everyone, if they haven't watched it. I. I highly recommend.

[Choma Nardi]

Love it. Oh, it was so lovely to see you both. Thank you for hearing out all of my crazy wellness obsessions and, and getting into it for the new year anytime.

[Margot]

And thanks for having us.

[Choma Nardi]

Thank you.

[Margot]

We love you. Yeah.

[Choma Nardi]

Miss you guys.

[Arden]

Miss you too.

[Choma Nardi]

That's it for the show.

[Chloe]

Bye. The run through is produced by chelsea daniel, alex depalma and stephanie kariuki. It's engineered by pran bandy and james yost. It is mixed by mike kutchman.

[Margot]

Hi, I'm Rebecca Ford, senior awards correspondent.

[Choma Nardi]

At Vanity Fair and co host of Little Gold Men.

[Margot]

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[Choma Nardi]

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[Margot]

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[Choma Nardi]

Whether you're a movie lover or an industry buff, Little Gold Men from Vanity Fair has everything you need to know.

[Margot]

About this year's Oscar race.

[Choma Nardi]

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[Margot]

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[Choma Nardi]

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