Timothée Chalamet’s Vogue Cover, Zohran Mamdani Mayoral Style & Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy on All’s Fair

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Episode: Timothée Chalamet’s Vogue Cover, Zohran Mamdani Mayoral Style & Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy on All’s Fair
Release Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Chloe Malle, Nicole Phelps, Chioma Nnadi

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Run-Through with Vogue delivers a multifaceted exploration of three major cultural moments: the historic mayoral victory of Zohran Mamdani in New York City and its fashion implications; a deep dive into the making of Vogue’s December cover with Timothée Chalamet—a milestone as Anna Wintour’s final print cover as U.S. Editor-in-Chief; and an extended, candid conversation with Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy about their new Hulu show, "All’s Fair," which foregrounds women's empowerment both onscreen and in the fashion choices.

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1. Zohran Mamdani’s Mayoral Win & Political Style (00:30–10:50)

Key Discussion Points:

• Historic Election: Zohran Mamdani is elected as NYC’s first Muslim and South Asian mayor, generating palpable citywide excitement and political focus.
• Role of Style in Politics: Jose Criales Unzueta, Vogue writer, discusses the emerging public fascination with Mamdani and his wife, Rama Duaaji, especially their sartorial choices and what these signify for representation and messaging in politics.
• Rama Duaaji’s Gen-Z Aesthetic:
  • Rama’s style is marked by individuality—she forgoes traditional “first lady” tropes, opting for bohemian, creative, and authentically New York wardrobe choices.
  • "[Rama] looked entirely like herself. Like, there was no sort of first lady drag or cosplay…" — Jose Criales Unzueta [05:10]
• Fashion Details:
  • At election events, Rama wore a velvet skirt by New Yorker designer Ula Johnson and a denim top by Palestinian-Jordanian designer Zayd Hijazi, highlighting both cultural heritage and political values in a subtle yet pointed way.
  • “The detailing… etched on the denim… he found in a museum, and it looked to him like this sort of map of a mosque.” — Jose Criales Unzueta [08:24]
• Broader Implications:
  • Pressure on public figures like Mamdani and Rama to embody their democratic socialist ideals in their fashion and lifestyle choices, eschewing luxury branding for mid-price, ethical, or heritage designers.
  • Anticipation for how Rama will redefine “political spouse” style, with the fashion world watching closely.

Memorable Moments:

• José describing the news breaking at a downtown fashion dinner, capturing the unique intersection of politics and fashion in New York: “Someone was like, wait, y'all, Mamdani won?...I thought we just loved Bianca [Saunders]. And I’m like, two things can be true.” [03:16]
• Discussion on Rama’s presence at emerging designer fashion shows and her illustration work for Vogue.

Timestamps:

• [00:30–10:50] Zohran Mamdani’s Election, Rama’s Style, Political Fashion

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2. December Vogue Cover: Timothée Chalamet (11:39–29:11)

Key Discussion Points:

• Cover Story Significance:
  • Timothée Chalamet graces the December cover, only the second solo male after Harry Styles (2020) and part of Anna Wintour’s print legacy.
• Behind the Scenes:
  • Writer Maddie Kahn recounts landing the assignment and her excitement: "For a lot of freelance writers, there's no dream assignment like a Vogue cover..." [12:42]
  • Timothée’s diligent preparation—he read all previous male Vogue profiles ahead of the interview.
  • Chalamet’s passionate, transparent “try hard” ethos, described as being "shalant" (the opposite of nonchalance).
• Chalamet’s Work Process:
  • Deep commitment to roles, e.g., years of secret ping pong training for the movie "Marty Supreme."
  • Highly controlled yet iterative approach to interviews; calls Kahn post-interview to clarify his intent, showing meticulous image management.
• Personal Life & Public Persona:
  • Open about acting ambitions and desire for industry recognition (“He wants gold for sure...he's really candid about that.” — Maddie Kahn [28:08]).
  • Declines to discuss high-profile relationship with Kylie Jenner, maintaining a “bright red line.”

Notable Quotes:

• "Chalamet is very shalant. It's true… He works really, really hard. He treats every role sort of like the ultimate marathon." — Maddie Kahn [16:56]
• "He was also practicing table tennis compulsively, playing in hotel rooms in Cannes and on set of Dune..." — Maddie Kahn [17:34]
• On industry hopes: "He wanted to come back to that and talk a little bit more about what he meant by that...he's very conscious of the choices that he's making." — Maddie Kahn [23:56]

Timestamps:

• [11:39–29:11] Timothée Chalamet Vogue Cover: Story Process, Career, Interview Insights

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3. Kim Kardashian & Ryan Murphy Discuss "All’s Fair" (30:00–52:49)

Key Discussion Points:

• New Hulu Series:
  • "All’s Fair" centers on a high-profile divorce lawyer, Allura Grant (Kim Kardashian), and features an all-female law firm tackling weekly cases, blending glamour, legal drama, and empowerment.
• Drawing from Life:
  • Heavily inspired by actual divorce attorney Laura Wasser, who consults on the show. Kim and Ryan share anecdotes about drawing from Laura's courtroom experiences (without revealing clients!).
• Innovative Legal Drama:
  • Ryan Murphy’s intention was to create “Not your father’s law show… hopeful and aspirational and glamorous.” [35:39]
• Kim’s Preparation & Cast Dynamics:
  • Kim emphasizes the gravity of her role, balancing law studies with acting, and her meticulous preparation: “I wanted to be prepared. I didn’t want to waste anyone’s time. I needed to show up knowing all my lines, being prepared and being on time.” [41:01]
  • The collaborative spirit and mentorship from veteran actresses (Glenn Close, Sarah Paulson): “We just felt this power and this magic [from Glenn Close]. I just sat there in awe, in awe.” [41:08]
• Fashion as a Character:
  • Kim, as executive producer, takes charge of Allura’s wardrobe, handpicking archival and designer pieces (John Paul Gaultier, Dior, Alaïa), using fashion to communicate power and vulnerability. Describes a standout moment: “...a shirt, tie, vest, long skirt...but then you turn around and it’s a thong.” [45:52]
  • Murphy draws inspiration from 1980s power dressing ("Dynasty"), emphasizing clothes as armor for powerful professional women.
• Pop Culture Tangents:
  • Discussion of the viral Skims “merkin” (“ultimate bush”) drop and Kim’s enthusiasm for vintage auctions, including her prized Elizabeth Taylor jade bracelet.

Memorable Quotes:

• "I would say that Kim has never lost at anything...she's so disciplined and tries and shows up and is prepared." — Ryan Murphy [36:43]
• "We wanted this to be, we call it, not your father’s law show…Hopeful and aspirational and glamorous." — Ryan Murphy [35:39]
• "The idea of clothes as armor: We're here to deal with the men, and we are not gonna dress like men. We're gonna dress like women. But we're going to present very formidably and powerfully." — Ryan Murphy [48:11]

Timestamps:

• [30:00–52:49] Kim Kardashian & Ryan Murphy on "All’s Fair," Process, Fashion as Power, Behind the Scenes Anecdotes

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Notable Quotes & Time Markers

• “Chalamet is very shalant. It's true...he called himself Try Hard twice in our story.” — Maddie Kahn [16:56]
• "Clothes as armor: We're here to deal with the men, and we're not gonna dress like men. We're gonna dress like women." — Ryan Murphy [48:11]
• “I wanted to be prepared. I didn't want to waste anyone's time...I just learned every single day.” — Kim Kardashian [41:01]
• "[Rama] looked entirely like herself. Like, there was no sort of first lady drag..." — Jose Criales Unzueta [05:10]
• "You are an Olympian and you wanted gold, and he wants gold for sure. And he's really candid about that." — Maddie Kahn on Chalamet [28:08]

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Episode Flow at a Glance

1. [00:30–10:50] Zohran Mamdani’s Election & Rama Duaaji’s Political Style – A new era not just in policy but public-facing personal style in politics.
2. [11:39–29:11] Inside Timothée Chalamet’s Vogue Cover – An in-depth, affectionate look at Chalamet’s unique professionalism, ambitions, and genuine connection with his audience.
3. [30:00–52:49] Kim Kardashian & Ryan Murphy on “All’s Fair” – Melding Kim's offscreen legal ambitions with on-screen narrative, highlighting mentorship, set dynamics, and fashion as narrative.
4. Sprinkled Throughout: Behind-the-scenes anecdotes, fashion industry context, and pop-culture references—always in Vogue’s playful, erudite, and slightly irreverent tone.

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Perfect for listeners eager for an incisive, behind-the-scenes blend of fashion, culture, celebrity, and politics, delivered with Vogue’s sharp wit and insider’s point of view.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. My husband and I talk a lot of ebay strategy together because it is something that we have bonded over since the beginning of our relationship. We've known each other for 20 years, and we've been using ebay for even longer than that, both of us. He's very proud of his five star review, which I have the same. We're pretty popular. We have a really good reputation on ebay.

[B]

This is the run through. I'm Chloe Mao.

[C]

And I'm Nicole Phelps.

[B]

We have a big episode today. I spoke to Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy about their new show All's Fair, which came out on Hulu this week and has been quite the topic of conversation in the Vogue offices. I also chatted with writer Maddy Kahn and we talked all about the December cover. That is a very exciting Vogue moment. Timothee Chalamet photographed by Annie Leibovitz. It's Anna's last print cover as editor in chief of American Vogue. So we're very excited about this big December moment. But more on that later. First, we need to discuss huge news that was announced Tuesday evening. Zoran Mamdani has been elected as mayor of New York City, making history as the first Muslim and person of South Asian descent to take that role. This was such a closely watched race. It was so exciting in New York to feel people so focused on this. It had the most record outpouring to the polls. I went early in the morning with Alice and it was packed at 8:30am with all my, like, little Upper west side ladies.

[D]

Mamdani, 1:1 in the upper West.

[E]

I love it.

[F]

It's very blue.

[D]

The Upper East. I don't know about y'.

[E]

All.

[B]

To accompany this big news, Jose Criales Unzueta wrote a fantastic piece about Zoran and his wife, Rama Duaji, New York's new first lady. And Rama's clothing has been really interesting and fun to watch because she's in her late 20s, she's an illustrator and an artist and has very cool, distinct style that feels very her. And I thought Jose did a great job of contextualizing what that means and how she's sort of reinventing what it looks like to dress as a political power wife. Jose, welcome.

[D]

Hello.

[B]

Thank you for a 10pm news post.

[D]

An honor. Underprivileged.

[B]

Nicole. Jose, where were you both when you found out the big news?

[C]

I was on the couch. We, my husband and I were, you know, glued to our screens and we Saw Virginia was called and then New Jersey was called. And I was texting my friends madly about how happy this blue wave.

[E]

And then.

[C]

And then mom died on top of that. The cherry on the cake.

[B]

I actually thought it would be called earlier, but they really kept it very tight until later.

[D]

I was at a fashion dinner. So Bianca Saunders, the London based designer whom I love, she is here in New York this week and Puma hosted a dinner for her for a new partnership that they have. And we were all just kind of like chit chatting, but also very much glued to our phones to just see what was happening. And it was so funny. One of the people that was sat on the table behind me started clapping.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

And that's what we all knew. And it was a very sweet, very New York moment. I was downtown, so I walked outside and people were like, oh, how funny. Visibly, like cheerful, which was very exciting. The funniest part was at the end of the dinner, someone was like, wait, y', all, Mom, Dani won? And we were like, yeah. Yes, babe. He was like, oh, wait, is that what we were clapping about? I thought we just loved Bianca. And I'm like, two things can be true. But yeah, I was at a fashion dinner.

[C]

Yeah, the East Village really erupted in cheers. I was hearing people screaming outside and clapping. It reminded me of 2020 when. A little bit, you know, like of when Biden won.

[D]

Yeah, people were excited. I mean, I took the train back home and I live in Brooklyn, so I was on the A train. And it was just. It was fun to just see people just with a smile, you know.

[B]

Margot and Buba did a celebration party crawl last night, starting at Hudda restaurant in Brooklyn and then going to Astoria in Queens where Zorin lives. And we love this idea because I thought that Zorin was so smart about using Middle Eastern food as a cornerstone of his campaign and something that he offered to talk about that was personal. And so that was really fun to have Ann Wynn's photos of people celebrating and watching those results come in.

[C]

As you were saying, Chloe Rahma is 28, which makes her an older Gen Z. Jose, do you feel like she, you know, is representative of her generation and how she dresses?

[D]

She is. And this is, you know, it's a conversation I've been having with friends, including our very own Hannah Jackson, because they are almost the same age. Right. Like Rama's actually in between Hannah and I in terms of age.

[B]

Hannah also wrote a great piece a few weeks ago about sort of anticipating what should a Gen Z of New York who has her own artistic identity, where, what are the rules and are there rules?

[D]

Exactly. And like, here's the thing, right? She's young, she's cool, she's an artist, she's a creative. You know, she's a true New Yorker. So, like, we know what those people look like, right? And what I loved about the way she dressed yesterday, both at the polls and at night, is that she looked entirely like herself. Like, there was no sort of, like, first lady drag or cosplay to put it that way, right? Like, and, you know, we put this in the article, but there was like, no tea link dresses.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[D]

No sort of pantsuit, at least not yet.

[B]

No pearls.

[D]

No pearls. And I love that she looked like, you know, one of my friends when they have a formal night out. And it's just really fun to watch. But it is interesting, you know, when you sort of bring up, like, are there rules? Are there not any rules? We have this conversation about fashion and politicians all the time. Does it matter? Does it not? It does matter.

[B]

Why does it matter, Jose?

[D]

It matters because whether you're Michelle Obama, Zora Mamdani, or Chloe Mao or Nicole Phelps or me, like, whoever you are, what you wear, the way you look is a reflection of your ideals and your values, right? Like, that is inarguable. Where you shop, how you shop, what you show, what you don't show, all of those things are signals. And that is even more true with politicians. And I think what's interesting about the case of Rama and Mamdani is that they have very specific values, right? Like, they are democratic socialists. So, like, what does that look like? Right? It's. It's fascinating because Zorin, you know, he, unlike a lot of other politicians who are like a Rolex or a very beautiful watch, like, he wears a Casio that is a gift from Rama, right? Like, he loves Uniqlo and Cos. Like, who among us, you know, like, yeah, so, like, it's great to see it, but it's also great to see him just talk about it. Like, they, you know, GQ asked him what his favorite store in New York was, and he was like, oh, yeah, Uniqlo dependent. You know, like, we love dependent.

[B]

I can relate.

[C]

So tell us what Rama was wearing.

[D]

Yes. So Rama was wearing a beautiful skirt. It was a velvety skirt with lace. With a lace hem by Ole Johnson. Born and raised, New Yorker.

[C]

A Vogue favorite.

[D]

A Vogue favorite. It was actually, I went to an Oola show for the first time this past season in September, and It was beautiful, like a very gorgeous morning breakfast show, you know, but known, I think it's important to be said for her sort of like bohemian style, which I think is in line to Rama, at least from what we've seen. But I think the piece de resistance was. It was a denim top with etched detailing by London based polyn Jordanian designer Zayd Hijazi. This is a designer who has gotten a lot of really great press. The work is beautiful over the past year, I will say I think he just graduated, but a lot of his work is based on Palestinian folklore. And he was telling me actually this morning we were dming based on sort of like a more esoteric look at, you know, his Palestinian and Arab heritage. And actually the top that Rama was wearing, the detailing, the sort of the graphic detailing that is etched on the denim he found in a museum while he was studying in London. He saw it and he told me that it looked to him like this sort of map of a mosque.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[D]

So he was sort of fascinated by kind of that idea and then he put it on the top. It's on his website. You can buy it right now. It retails for 295 pounds, which is also interesting. Right. The sort of the price conversation is fascinating because what does a socialist wear?

[B]

There is a lot of scrutiny on them and what they are spending money on, what they are doing. I know. I saw, of course, the Post gleefully wrote about how they had a date night at Omen, which is a nice but not ostentatious sushi restaurant, Japanese restaurant in Soho. And it was like, how dare he eat at Omen? How dare they? And I do think that it is going to put even more pressure on what she is wearing and who she's supporting.

[D]

And I think this was handled beautifully. Again, Ula, a designer who's, you know, who we all in New York know and love the skirt like Ula's clothes are also not. And the sort of luxury scale.

[B]

They're mid price point.

[D]

They're mid price point. The top, again, not incredibly expensive. I think this was handled beautifully. I think that the important part, sort of the conversation about what Rama's gonna be wearing is that she is going to face the same kind of criticism as her husband has during his campaign.

[E]

Right.

[D]

And if anything, I think it's great that she is signaling that her values are aligned to his, you know, by wearing a top by Palestinian designer.

[C]

It'll be interesting to see if her style evolves.

[D]

Yeah. She was front row@the.a Rachel Scott Guillotima show in September. And Rachel actually made a point to not invite, you know, quote unquote celebrities, you know, like no pop stars, and instead invited people like Rama, which I thought was a great, a great statement on her behalf. But also, you know, Rachel makes a lot of her clothes in New York to me.

[B]

And Rama illustrated the our Garment district story piece we just did about sort of the unsung heroes of the garment district. And so I do think it's, it's something that's important to her to be highlighting.

[D]

It is an alignment, I think an important industry. Exactly. Like at the end of the day, you know, the garment district is part of the pun intended fabric of New York. Right. So, like, why would she not align herself with designers who made their clothes in New York, but also who are part of a generation who helped make way for someone like Zora Mamdani to exist.

[C]

Curious also to see how the designers sort of line up to try to dress her right now that she's first lady elect.

[B]

Thank you, Nicole and Jose.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

And the run through will be back in a moment with my conversation with Maddie Khan.

[A]

It's 11:30pm I'm just about to fall asleep. And yet I'm still scrolling ebay looking for YSL quilted satin, transparent Moto Miss 60 deadstock, an antique Edwardian blouse I'm actively bidding and putting in best offers on ebay before my head hits the pillow. That's actually what lulls me to sleep at night and then waking up in the morning checking to see who responded to me. This is a normal day.

[B]

And we're back. I am here in the studio with writer Maddy Kahn. Hi, Maddie.

[F]

Hi.

[B]

Maddy wrote the fantastic December cover story featuring the one and only Timothee Chalamet, who is making history as one of the few men to be on a cover of American Vogue. The first time was back in 2020 with Harry Styles. And the COVID shoot was at Michael Heiser's City, which is a land art installation in Las Vegas. And the photos, obviously, as you will see, are by Annie Leibovitz. And this was really a brainchild of Annie that Anna Wintour really got into and was excited by. So very excited for this creative collaboration to come to life and very excited to hear about what made Maddie join Club Chalamet. Maddie, break down the call of getting this Timmy assignment because I have to say, for a lot of freelance writers, there is no dream assignment like a Vogue cover story on Timothee Chalamet.

[F]

I would say for a lot of freelance writers. There's no dream assignment like a vogue cover. I was, despite having contributed to the magazine for a long time, extremely excited to even hear that there was a cover story to be brokered. And I didn't know who the subject was because I got a cryptic text from Taylor. It was like, I'm on a train, so I can't talk.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[F]

But I want to talk to you later about an important vogue subject. So then I had a few hours to, like, think, who could it possibly be?

[B]

Who were your other guesses?

[F]

I didn't have any good guesses. I was looking, what were the releases in December? Cause I knew it was for December. I was trying to strategize it that way. But then once Taylor arrived at his destination, can't remember where he went, he called, and it was very thrilling to hear that it was Timothee Chalamet. I'm obviously a big fan, like, all of his millions and millions of followers are. And I think that part of the pitch from Taylor, which I was very excited about, too, is that this is, you know, a consummate New York City kid, Someone who grew up in hell's kitchen. I grew up on the upper west side. The similarities end there. But I'm flattered to be thought of for this story. And, yeah, to kind of put his career, which has been on a real tear, in context, and obviously, to do it in vogue is pretty exciting because it's not every day that you guys put a man on the COVID And he came to the interview, actually, with the full list, ready to go. Having read all previous men who'd been on the COVID of Vogue, their profiles in advance of our conversation.

[B]

Previous vogue male vogue cover stars were Harry Styles in 2020, and then our quartet of male cover stars for the met issue last May, which was A$AP, Rocky, Colman, Domingo, Pharrell Williams, and Lewis Hamilton.

[F]

Yeah, he'd read them all. So he was well versed in the vogue male verse. And, yeah, this is someone who just does his homework. That I think that is one of the real takeaways of this story is that he is happy to study up, and he rejoices in research for every single thing that he does, Whether it's a role or an interview.

[B]

What would you say was your relationship to the Chalamet universe before? Like, are you familiar with club Chalamet? On the spectrum of club Chalamet to no Chalamet, where are you?

[F]

I'm familiar with club Chalamet. I would say I'm familiar Enough with Club Chalamet to await Club Chalamet's verdict on this story.

[B]

So I have that for the uninitiated level of awareness. Explain the comment concept of Club Chalamet.

[F]

Club Chalamet is the ultimate chronicler of all things Timothee Chalamet. And I would say what is like the most complete Wikipedia possible that also has hot takes, opinions, analysis. It's sort of like, I would say a scholar of Timothee Chalamet. Perhaps somewhere between a chronicler, a fan, and a scholar. And yeah, I mean, I await judgment. I know it's coming. I'm keenly aware of that. Did he and I discuss Club Chalamet? No, we did not.

[B]

What's your favorite Timmy performance to date?

[F]

I mean, I think I first encountered him in Call Me by youy Name, like a lot of people. And that is still a movie that I love. It's one of the few movies that I have rewatched. I, in preparation for this story, also watched Wonka. Not bad, folks. Not bad at all. And as he pointed out to me, made a lot of money. I think that I loved him in the Bob Dylan biopic that he did last year. I saw it on Chris in theaters.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[F]

With my parents.

[B]

Wow.

[F]

When this story wasn't even a twinkle in my eye. So that's how, you know, I'm a real fan. And yeah, I think he has, like this total dedication to his craft that's really admirable. And I think that in an era of people being a little bit aloof, his self declared try hard energy is really appealing somehow. And the fact that he puts in so much work and he's so transparent about that, it makes the movie watching experience a little heightened for me because, you know, he really went there.

[B]

That was one of my favorite parts of your piece. That it was. We really understood that he's the opposite of nonchalance, that he is Shalant.

[F]

Chalamet is very Shalant. It's true. I mean, yes, he called himself Try Hard twice in our story, but I think only one made it into twice in our interview. I think only once made it into the piece, which is probably appropriate. Yeah, he. He works really, really hard. He treats every role sort of like the ultimate marathon. He trains, he prepares.

[B]

Okay, what does that mean? How does he train?

[F]

So I don't think a lot of people understood that he was doing a ping pong movie or table tennis movie until it was kind of more formally announced. But he has known he's been doing this Movie Marty supreme for like seven to eight years.

[B]

No.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Crazy.

[F]

It's crazy. So that whole time that he was kind of climbing up preparing for the Bob Dylan movie, a lot of people knew how much work he put into that. He was also practicing table tennis compulsively, playing in hotel rooms in Cannes and on set of Dune and hiring trainers. And he told me that there were 50 sequences of play that were filmed which he memorized completely that never even made it into the film.

[B]

So when he didn't have like a ping pong double, as far as I.

[F]

Know, he did not.

[B]

Wow. I want to know what your experience meeting with Timothy was like, because it was. It was a sport to get time with him.

[F]

That's true. Yes. He wasn't the only one preparing for this role. Yes, it was quite a process to negotiate time with him, and not because he wasn't eager to do it, something he made abundantly clear to me in the first three minutes of our meeting. But yeah, he's a movie star of the highest order and he is traveling around the world constantly and every minute of his life is pretty scheduled. And squeezing something in is not. Is just not an easy thing to do. I mean, you have to remember that he's about to gear up for this incredible run of promotion that we've already seen previewed and I'm sure will accelerate through award season. And he's also shooting Dune in Budapest and Abu Dhabi. So I often was trying to figure out, like, where am I finding you? What time zone are you currently in? What time is it at the clock that you're looking at right now? We finally did meet in person in New York, mere blocks away from where he grew up in Hell's Kitchen. Why? In a studio he had rented to prepare for a performance that probably many people listening to this have seen, which is not a performance as seen in a film, but actually the video that he did with a frequent collaborator of his that featured him wearing a giant orange head on his head with dancers also wearing giant orange heads to promote Marty Supreme.

[B]

Okay, but giant heads because they looked.

[F]

Like ping pong balls.

[B]

Not the Headless Horseman.

[F]

No. And you know what? I think that's a missed visual reference. Should have totally been on the mood board. But this is strike, you know, within striking distance of Halloween. So I think we do call them pumpkin headed dancers or something like that in the story. Yeah, they look totally ridiculous. And I don't think it's considered standard movie promotion fare to hire a crew of like, stunting dancers to accompany you to a screening that you announced on Instagram. But he is very wedded to the idea of trying new things to get people interested in his movies. I think we think of a certain caliber of celebrity as really unapproachable. And I think what's kind of interesting about him is that while he has remained personally fairly inaccessible, he's really committed to being everywhere and actually being incredibly present as he's promoting these movies. So I met him when he was rehearsing with these dancers to go kind of like on a march through Times Square to get people interested in more. And I can tell you that the little girls practicing their ballet two doors down had that description. I had no idea that Timothee Chalamet was in their midst. And I think they would have absolutely died if they'd known that, you know, just, just down the hall was him renting this, like, dance studio in hell's kitchen for 35 bucks an hour, as he told me.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

What was his, like, dance outfit?

[F]

Well, he has designed a line of merch with his stylist, Taylor McNeil, so you maybe saw him wearing with Kylie Jenner, his girlfriend, later that night after our interview at the Yankees game. Marty supreme bomber jackets, track jackets, pants.

[B]

Wow.

[F]

The whole kitten caboodle, the whole kit and caboodle. He seemed to enjoy it, spent a lot of time on it, roped in a lot of people to do it, executed it basically himself. And I don't think it's because he has dreams of becoming a clothing designer. I think it's because he's interested in every kind of expression that a movie that he's working on can have, whether that's through music videos, live events, merch. He just has like this real 360 degree attitude toward promotion that, again, fits in with that idea of, like, I'm really gonna try. I'm gonna put myself out there 100%. And I don't care if it's cringe and I don't care if it's embarrassing. You will see me everywhere for the next two months. I found it really charming.

[B]

I wanna know what his affect was like during the interview. Like, was he interested? He ask you questions? Was he forthcoming?

[F]

I would say he was. Sometimes you get this sense from people that you're talking to that they have a narrative that they wanna put out there and you are there to kind of like, receive that. I would say I got the sense from him that he really wanted to be understood in his intent, that he has a really strong artistic perspective and he wanted to convey that. And he was very conscious of choosing the right words and the right analogies and the right metaphors to get that point across. And when he felt like he had fallen short of that, he wanted to go back to that question. He wanted to repeat himself. He wanted to try that again. He wanted to think about it in a little bit of different way. He wanted to hear what I thought about what he thought and then refine what he thought based on that.

[B]

Interesting.

[F]

Not in a super calculated way, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't want that to be the takeaway, but in a sense of like kind of this constant iterating force of coming to what you think through conversation and refining it a little bit based on how people receive it. Is he getting the impact that he wants? Is it coming across the way that he wants it to? He took a lot of care with everything that he said, and he wasn't happy until he felt like he'd nailed it. Which made me think, like, he's probably like that on set too. I'll also say that he called me after the story had closed, even though he knew the story had closed, because he just wanted to go back to two points that he had raised in our conversation. What were the points we had talked about? Sort of like his positioning in Hollywood right now. I think it's probably not a surprise to people that he is one of the great hopes of the movie industry because he really drives people to theaters. So he wanted to come back to that and talk a little bit more about what he meant by that. I think he was worried about positioning himself too much as the savior of film, which I don't think he thinks himself to be, but certainly is, like, very conscious of the choices that he's making.

[B]

I'm always intrigued when people exchange cell phone numbers with their cover subjects. How did that come to be?

[F]

I always give my number at the end of an interview and say if there's anything that you want to come back to or that you feel like we didn't get. Right, here's my number. You can reach me. They obviously can reach me through their representatives, too, but it's just an offer.

[B]

Do they usually do that?

[F]

Like, 40% do, I would say, but I don't. I really don't do it with any expectation other than that, which is. I think sometimes, like, I felt this too. You leave in a conversation, you think, oh, I just had one more thing.

[B]

L' esprit de l'.

[F]

Escalier. There you go. I should add that to my pitch. Yeah. And I just feel like I want to be accessible. I want to be there in case two hours later there's something that they feel like maybe this doesn't rise to the level of I need to get this person back on the phone or I want to do another in person meeting, but should the mood strike, they know how to find me.

[B]

Just for people who don't are not familiar with that term, when a story is closed, it means that it's shipped to the printer, so edits cannot be made. I mean, in a increasingly digital universe, edits could theoretically be made to the digital version, but once something is shipped, it's gone.

[F]

One of the things actually he and I talked about was his about face on Los Angeles, which he is a total convert to, which is tough for me to take as a native New Yorker, but wow. Yeah, we've lost him focus.

[B]

The one time I interviewed him was on the phone for a Greta Gerwig cover story for Little Women, and he was on his way to Umami Burger in Soho. And he was just like galloping through Soho on the phone with me, talking about Greta Gerwig, and was extremely charming and forthcoming and shared that he had no idea Greta was pregnant. He thought she was just wearing a lot of coat.

[F]

I love men.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[F]

That's incredible. It's actually interesting because when we sat down in this airless room in this dance studio in Hell's Kitchen, he asked if I'd prefer to go for a walk. And I said, can you go for walks? Is that like a thing that you can do? And he said, totally. If I'm wearing a baseball hat and like a bit of a baggy jacket, I'm totally left alone.

[B]

Interesting.

[F]

Which is interesting because I think of him as someone who truly can't go anywhere, but he's. Well, I would imagine he's prowling the chase.

[B]

Kylie Jenner. He probably can.

[F]

I think that's probably true. Left unsaid, was that a solo. A solo endeavor for him?

[B]

What did he have to say about his better half?

[F]

He didn't have to say much, folks. I had the sense that he wouldn't want to talk about it because he historically hasn't talked about it. And she who shares a lot, also hasn't really talked about it. And he basically said, you know, I don't have anything I want to say about that because he was so forthcoming about so many different things from having kids to his ambitions as an actor. It was like, I would say, a pretty bright red line. And we Left it at that.

[B]

Okay. What would you say? I feel like there's always, like, a kill your darlings moment with a celebrity profile. What was left on the cutting room floor that you feel like was a delightful detail? Oh, God.

[F]

We weren't gonna get into this whole story in the piece, but I thought it was interesting to see how much he, as a person who has watched, is watching others so intently. I think that one imagines that you get to a certain level of fame and you are simply observed and you're no longer observing. But it was obvious to me that this is a person who is incredibly conscious of the people who are in his midst. He also said that he and Annie Leibovitz, his photographer, drove back and forth to their accommodations at the end of every shoot day, and that he and the friend of his that he had brought along for this wild ride were trying to impress her with their musical stylings in the car and that she was totally beyond being impressed and that every single song they played, she was like, yeah, I knew that guy. Oh, yeah. Like, he was an enemy. He was a friend. Nothing that they could play from. Sort of like her vintage was impressive to her, and they loved that.

[B]

Maddie. I feel like Timmy was refreshingly open about how he would have loved to win an Oscar for a Complete Unknown. Was that just last year? It feels like ages ago.

[F]

Adrien Brody won for the Brutalists.

[B]

Right. What do we think about the Oscar 2026 rat race?

[F]

Yes. What are our futures? Our Oscar futures? I do think he's going to win. I will say that now. I think it's just not gonna be Leo's year. I think that Leonardo DiCaprio, for one battle After Another, is probably his fiercest competition. But I think, first of all, the Oscars loves a, like, return to the stage moment. You lost last year, but this year, you're on top. And I think audiences really like that too. Timothee is totally open about his desire for that kind of recognition from his peers especially. I think that's why winning the SAG Award last year was so meaningful to him. And I think it's really nice to hear someone say, you know what? It's not just an honor to be nominated. I really want to win. And something we talked about several times across our conversations was that idea that when you go home empty handed, you don't feel like, wow, I'm so glad just to be there. You are an Olympian and you wanted gold, and he wants gold for sure. And he's really candid about that.

[B]

That Maddie's profile of Timothy is a must read, and we're going to leave Maddie on that note.

[F]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

Thank you, Maddie. The Run through will be back with Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy.

[A]

Sometimes people ask me which search terms I use whenever I'm on ebay. So I search a lot of dead stock. That's a term that I throw in there a lot dead that no one's ever worn it before. But it is like an archival piece or it's a vintage piece, and so that's a great thing to find on ebay. There's a ton of dead stock, vintage, and it's just kind of, like, comforting to know that, like, you're the first person taking this, like, piece on its maiden voyage, even if it's 50 years old. Ebay offers this departure from the everyday that ends up feeling totally you.

[B]

I spoke to Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy about their new show, All's Fair, which came out November 4th. The show is about a very successful divorce lawyer, Allura Grant, played by Ms. Kim herself. And Allura works at an all female law firm in la and she handles high profile divorce cases while dealing with her own struggles of infidelity in her marriage. The cast is fantastic. It's Naomi Watts, Teyana Taylor, Niecy Nash, Sarah Paulson, Glenn Close. It's really a. An all star, all star lineup. And I watched the first couple of episodes. There are definitely art imitating life parallels for Kim, who is awaiting her bar results as we prepare for Kim Kardashian in the courtroom. All right, Kim Kardashian and Ryan Murphy. Hi, Kim. Hi, Ryan.

[G]

Hi.

[F]

Hi.

[B]

Very excited to talk to you guys about El's Fair because I watched the first three episodes and I am completely wrapped and I don't know how I'm gonna wait for all the rest of them.

[F]

You're so close.

[B]

This is gonna air on November 6th, so it'll be right when the first three episodes have dropped. What is it feeling like to have this so close to being out in the world? And, Kim, have your sisters seen it yet?

[E]

My sisters, actually, I had a preview of it, a link to watch it, and they did not wanna watch it. They wanna watch it live. They're coming to. So they do want to see it in real time and get the feeling of what people are feeling out there in the world. So it's kind of. It's. It's very exciting to be so close to that time. We, we've worked so hard on this. We filmed for Many months. And to see a project go from, you know, this is my first solo project that I'm not, like, guest starring in. It's a. It's a. A real commitment, and it's my first one. So it's really exciting that it's so far is being received really well.

[B]

Well, I'm very excited for you. Congratulations. You play Allura Grant, who is one of the women who starts a female centric law firm who finds herself in the middle of a contentious divorce herself when many of her clients are navigating divorce. I heard that you were channeling Laura Wasser for this role, and I love that. I'm a big fan of Laura's. I feel like it's a big deal when someone, a lawyer, gets a Naomi Frye New Yorker profile dedicated to them. Did you speak to Laura for this? I know you guys have worked together in the past. Or is there anyone else who you spoke to for inspiration?

[E]

Oh, I talk to Laura all the time. So, yeah, no, we did. She is someone that I wanted to pull inspiration from. She's an amazing lawyer, but I know her personally, so she's just a boss woman and just handles it. And that's how I think when you're going through a divorce, you feel like it's the end of the world. You're never going to get out of this. And I think the beauty of how us as lawyers and what we represent and what I learned from Laura is our cast. We help these women every week get out of the. The dark hole that they don't think they can get themselves out of, and we help them believe in themselves again. And there have been times where, you know, Laura's made a lot of people feel that way. So I definitely pulled inspiration from her as a person. And I don't know if Ryan pulled from.

[G]

I did. I mean, I knew Laura a little bit. And Kim and I were talking about the show and we were with Chris and we were talking about, you know, we need somebody like Laura Wasser to be a consultant on the show. So I reached out to her. So she is a consulting producer. So in the writing of it, what was fascinating was to call her and say, all right, do you have any weird cases? Do you. Can't name names. But what are some unusual. Because every. The fun of this show is it's, you know, it's almost like the divorce of the week. Y is a new divorce with a new wrinkle. And, you know, a woman who feels unseen, unheard, and that there's no way forward for her and Kim and her group of cohorts restore order. So Laura was very helpful in that and came up with some ideas, and particularly the ending and the judgments, like how we got there. You know, it's like doing a medical drama. You can't do a medical drama. And I've done them without having a doctor on set to say, is this right? Would this be true? Would this be accurate? So Laura was hugely helpful in all of that.

[B]

I wonder what was the they say, you know, obviously, truth is stranger than fiction. Were there any stories Laura told you that you were like, no one will believe that. I just can't use that. It's too crazy.

[G]

I just heard a crazy story that is so crazy that it's gonna be the opening episode of season two.

[B]

Wow.

[G]

Can't say too much about it, but I was like, how is this possible? You and I talked about it. I think you remember what it is. It was about the prenup and member.

[E]

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

[G]

So I don't know. Like, the thing about Laura is she's. She doesn't kiss and tell. So she would tell me a story, I'd be like, well, that's clearly about.

[E]

It could be pulled from her. You know, her father's. Her father was my mom's divorce attorney. And my parents. So I mean, it's like a long line of, I'm sure stories. She'd come home and hear them as.

[G]

A kid also of 40 years of stories. So. Yeah, but it's. It was interesting because the show that I wanted to make, that Kim and I talked about, it was, you know, we wanted this to be, we call it, not your father's law show. You know, we've all grown up on those law procedurals, and they usually have a little bit of grimness to them and darkness. We wanted to do a show that was hopeful and aspirational and glamorous, which is something that's not on television at all right now. And I'm sure you want to talk about Kim's many outfits, but it just had a vibe. So what was important for us was at the end of the episodes, the women win. And how do they win and how do we get them there? That is the thing that we worked really, really hard on.

[B]

Kim, you almost are about to pass the bar. Congratulations. So you're a soon to be lawyer who has obviously had a high profile divorce. Ryan, did casting Kim influence the way you wrote, Wrote this character or vice versa?

[G]

Oh, yeah. Well, I've never. I've never done anything like this, because I. I usually come up with an idea and then do the casting, right? And then it's sort of. It's an organic process for me. But I had a dinner with Chris and Kim one night when I met them. Dana Walden set it up, and I went over there and I thought I was kind of hot shit. And I was pitching them a reality idea, and their eyes glazed over. And Kim took to her phone, which is always a bad sign. And Chris said, you know, Ryan, you should write a role for Kim. And it never even dawned on me that Kim, who was so busy, would be interested in that. So we did this great collaboration on American Horror Story, and Kim got great reviews. Because the thing about Kim is her life is so interesting to me because she's always underestimated. And then she triumphs against all the naysayers over and over and over again. I would say that Kim has never lost at anything. And it's not because of any other trait other than she's so disciplined and tries and shows up and is prepared. So that was such a great experience that I was like, I remember this phrase in the 70s, and it was something like, not only am I a lawyer in real life, I play one on tv. That it was that idea. And Kim was going through the bar at that time. And I said, kim, I think what if we do a show about you as a divorce lawyer? And Kim was interested in that idea.

[E]

I loved that idea.

[G]

She was like, yeah, because it was her passion, and she loves helping people and is an advocate. And then the magical thing was I was like, okay, I have the actress, then I kind of have the idea. And what I like to do in that time is go out to form a cast, and then if I'm going to do that right to people. Right. And the amazing thing about this show is I was like, I want Kim to be surrounded with really iconic women, actresses who know their stuff, because Kim always wants to be better and always wants to surround herself with the best, which is what I admire about her. So we talked about people we both loved. And the thing that I loved is that every person I went to said yes without reading a script.

[E]

Wow.

[G]

And they said yes because of Kim. They were either fascinated by her. Well, a little with me, but they really. They loved what she imbued culture culturally. And they were like, that's interesting. I want to do that. Every single one of them. And so that was a thrill. I had the cast, and then we wrote it.

[B]

I wonder, Kim, because I know this is your second Scripted role after American Horror Story. Was there any you have surrounded by such an incredible cast of women? Were there moments that they were mentoring you, helping you? Were there any questions you asked of different women in the show?

[E]

I think they helped me in more ways than they even thought. Even if I didn't ask the questions just watching them. I mean, I remember there. There were two days that really stood out to me. One, it was the camera was close on Glenn, and she had to get really angry and came to tears at her anger. And I was just there as her eyeline being on the other side of the camera, and she just. I remember, I think Sarah wasn't even in the scene and just stood there just to watch her. And we just felt this power and this magic. That's Glenn Close. And I just sat there in awe, in awe. And then another day with Sarah had a scene, and she repeatedly can just. Was so emotional every single time, even when the camera wasn't on her, to just be such a generous actor and get that emotion across. And I just looked at her in just in awe every single day. I learned from these women. They were all super helpful. I mean, Niecy Nash would come to the side and say, okay, you've done it. You've got it. They love it. Why don't you try it like this here? And, like, what if you said it like this, you know, and being this, like, little director whispering in my ear and was amazing and helpful, and everyone was so embracing and great, and I didn't even really have to ask a lot of questions. I just had to. My insecurity was I just wanted to be prepared. I didn't want to waste anyone's time. I needed to show up knowing all my lines, being prepared and being on time. And that's what I did. And I watched and I took it all in, and we just. I think it was a magical chemistry that even the girls didn't really know that we would have. And it was the beauty and that's the genius of Ryan Murphy. Right? That's what's in his head that he sees that even. I mean, of course we knew it was a great cast, and we knew we'd have a lot of fun, but we didn't even know that it would be this magical. So I just learned every single day.

[G]

Also, our gag reel is really incredible.

[B]

Oh, my God, Amazing.

[G]

Sarah and Kim. Sarah Paulson and Kim are wicked together.

[E]

And, like, we almost had to say.

[G]

Can you not write so many scenes? We're like.

[E]

Because we cannot control ourselves. We just ruin it. And like these, you know, people want to go home and we're like laughing and ruining take after take because we just look at each other and we start laughing, laughing so hard. We were like, I think you have to write us out of being together for time efficiency.

[B]

Kim, I wonder who helped you run lines.

[E]

I would have a. Well, my. My acting coach, Nancy Banks was really great, but she doesn't really run lines. We get kind of the intention. And then anyone that was in my dressing room, in my trailer, I have this sweet girl, Adrienne, that would be with me. And she was the best at running lines. Most of my assistant, my glam. Everyone has a British accent and everyone is from England. And so when they would run lines with me, unless it's like, me and Naomi scene, I'm like, you guys, you're really throwing me off. It was so funny. Yeah.

[G]

The funny thing about Kim, too, is that I do think she has a photographic memory. Because when we started off, I realized that she didn't know just her lines, but everybody else's lines and even in scenes that she wasn't in. So she really, you know, she would drop her kids off in the morning and she would work when she got to the set. And she just was very, very professional, almost overly prepared. I was so astonished at how hard she worked. But she does that with everything.

[B]

Well, I know. I was going to ask, how different is it studying for the bar versus learning. Learning lines?

[E]

Well, there was one time at the end where I had to take a big test and I had to do both. And I couldn't. My brain couldn't do that. I couldn't. Couldn't grasp everything that I had to do. Studying. I was. Had my flashcards and taking little pop quizzes on the side. And I. I found that my brain couldn't separate that. So I waited till this was done and then focused on that. It's very different, but it's. A lot of it is memorization. And I think that I don't know which came first, but they both helped me with memorization. So I think I was a. I'm able to maybe know my constitutional law a little bit better because I did All's Fair.

[B]

I love the outfits in All's Fair. And I love that it's not traditional work suiting. It's really like this sort of subversive take on it, especially for your character. Allure wears these sort of Mugler esque shoulders of suits and an Alaia y cowl neck. And I wonder. Kim how involved you were in that. And also, so are any of your own pieces in the show? And did you take anything home?

[E]

Yeah, so I actually had my stylist, Sogi Mac, do me. And so her. And I worked really hard pulling a lot of pieces from my wardrobe. And she would travel the world and get amazing old Donna Karan pieces. That's that Alaia esque piece you were talking about. And a lot of John Paul Gaultier archives. I would say a majority of it is that lots of, like, Christian Dior, Galliano. I mean, we made sure that we found amazing archival pieces. And being an executive producer on the show, I don't know if it's the proper thing to do, but I kind of stepped in and was like, no, this is important to me. I will help take this on. And I want pieces from my wardrobe. I want pieces. We created a character. Soki really helped create the character of Elora, and she, you know, made sure that my hair was short and it was my natural hair. And we weren't doing, you know, long hair. And everything to the nails were different. Everything was just a glamorized version and a really specific character of Elora. Obviously, Ryan oversaw that all and helped pick it all. And some things were too much. And he's like, no, no, no. And some things, he's like, I need more drama. I need more this. And then, you know, my team would run around and, you know, make sure that we had the proper wardrobe. But we did, I mean, mean, pull in the archives and pull out pieces that I hadn't seen. I mean, there's this one John Paul Gaultier suit that was. I begged her to Wear It, 1992. And it was like a shirt, tie, vest, long skirt to the floor, pinstripe. But then you turn around and it's a thong.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[E]

And it was like in the pilot.

[G]

A lot of people miss it. It's in the scene where they do the victory fizz. So for the top of the scene, Kim is seated, and then she turns to the side and.

[E]

And it's a full song in the back. And I was so nervous about this. And they were. It's just, you know, 1992 Runway. It was insane. So we got some great, great pieces. And it was. That was so much fun for me to do.

[G]

And also, it kind of started from this idea when Kim and I were cooking up the show, which is what is the really, the last show that featured fashion like that in a very beyond aspirational way. Well, pony and the swans. But that was very sort of, like, researched. It was very real. Like, we had a lot of Babe Paley pictures, and we follow that. But this was sort of a fictionalized character. So our initial jumping off point was kind of Dynasty, in which that was a case where what was on television led to things being on the Runway. And. And we were very influenced by that sort of early 80s vibe, you know, And I remember watching that show, and I was growing up in Indiana, I was like, wait, people can wear veils? People can wear gloves? Like, it was all very new, but it did set trends and sort of. We were very interested in making these clothes and the looks heightened and polished.

[B]

Like the yellow sort of Beyonce inspired outfit that's in the trailer when she's hitting.

[E]

Oh, yes.

[B]

That's an amazing. Oh, wow. I wonder.

[G]

But also, you know. Cause it's Kim.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Kim can call anybody in the world and say, hey, what about this? And, you know, Kim has this amazing lookbook, and she knows all about that stuff. So she and Suki would really, like, go out and track down.

[B]

It's a Hunt.

[G]

All of these Runway classics. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

I was just like, everyone, all hands on deck. A Laura Grant needs to be so amazing. And this is really important. And my mom. Everyone opened up their closets, their archives. It was really special, and it was.

[G]

A new way to do suiting, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Was the idea of. These women are very powerful, but they're all, you know, dealing with personal relationships. So in that situation sometimes gone wrong, it's the idea of clothes as armor. You know, we're here to deal with the men, and we are not gonna dress like men. We're gonna dress like women. But we're going to present very formidably and powerfully. And we did pull a lot from that early 90s stuff that now everybody seems to be crazy about. You know, shoulder pads are back, gloves are back, hats are back. And that's interesting. Cause it's a polished way of presenting a character.

[B]

You know, you were saying that Kim. That you were really hunting all over archive pieces. And I do love the moment when Allure is presented with Elizabeth Taylor's diamond ring. And I also just heard from our audience development team that everyone is searching on the Internet, who is Elizabeth Taylor? Because she features in Taylor Swift's new album. So that sort of stopped my heart. But I wonder, Kim, do you have any pieces from Elizabeth Taylor? Or is there any great auction item of provenance that you. Is beloved to you? You.

[E]

Yeah, I'm a big auction girl. Elizabeth Taylor had her first big auction after she had passed. Before the auction, her interior decorator brought me to her house. I was the last person she did an interview with and the last person she followed on Twitter. So we did a cover where I interviewed her, and I was on the COVID of Harper's Bazaar as her.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[E]

So that was such a special moment. I've always been such a fan. I did a documentary on her that we released. Released about six months ago, and we just are bringing it to the US that airs this month. Also, I bought a jade Lorraine Schwartz bracelet from her auction. And it's like a lavender jade and diamonds. And I obviously loved all the other pieces. I said to myself, when I pass the bar, it would be a dream of mine to, like, hunt down a really important piece of hers. And that's, you know, a dream. I love collecting pieces. I have Princess Diana's cross. I have an entire Cher Bob Mackie archive, some of the Britney Spears Bob Mackie collection, like, stuff that she's worn in award shows. I'm sure I have so many other things that I'm not thinking of, but.

[F]

Oh, that's great.

[E]

Yeah, I'm a big auction girl. I love them. So I'm a huge Elizabeth Taylor fan. And when we. You know, when Ryan was writing that, I think he knew that.

[B]

I have to say, Ryan, the line that made me cackle was that when Ed o' Neill says, we bought Mike Nichols Baltus, which I thought was just so funny.

[G]

Well, yeah, because I got to meet your mother, who I've loved, and we talked a lot about Mike and carnal knowledge. And so, yeah, he's always been an important person to.

[B]

But that was very funny, Kim. I have to go off piece for a second because the entire Vogue team is obsessed with the new skims. Merkin.

[E]

The merkins, Yes.

[B]

I have to tell you, we did do an article last year called the Bush is Back, which is about how merkins are the new Birkins. And I want to know, do you have inspiration behind what is being called the ultimate bush? Why do you think people are so excited about this? Did you expect the reaction to be so feverish?

[E]

I honestly didn't expect this kind of reaction. I got more texts about that ultimate bush than some of our other pieces that I thought would get a lot of attention. It was shocking. I mean, you know, look, I went to in John Galliano's showroom, and I've seen it, and I thought it was fascinating. And the way I wore it in a Nadia Lee Cohen photo shoot.

[B]

I know. Remember that. That.

[E]

And I just thought people were always. We had a few more daring photos that I just. I. I couldn't let her put out. I just. I didn't quite get it. So sometimes I don't get it until after. And then I thought, you know, this. This would be nice. This would be fun for a night. So why not? Skims can do it. If we can do it and have fun with it, why not?

[G]

And we're all getting them today. We're very excited.

[E]

I. It was.

[G]

She brought them for us.

[E]

They were. It was.

[G]

We want them. She brought them. We're wearing them tonight to the premiere. Why not?

[B]

Thank you so much. I'm so excited to see the rest of the episodes. And good luck.

[G]

Thank you.

[E]

Thank you so much.

[G]

Great to see you.

[B]

Bye.

[E]

Bye. Bye.

[B]

That's it for our episode today. Bye. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Kariuki. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast head of Global Audio.

[A]

My first job in New York City was as a trend forecaster. I do trend forecasting still, and ebay is a part of that because I'll search for things that I'm seeing around, and it will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And one of the trends that I'm seeing these days is crafting things that are made by hand. And so playing with clothes and accessories to create something kind of distinctive for your wardrobe is a great way of doing it. And getting supplies off of ebay is my favorite thing for it. I'll get, like, maybe a pair of slippers that I'm wearing right now and then cut them in a specific way, and then they're totally my own. And I feel like it's a great resource to create your own trends because then you can both feel like you're bringing something back to life. You're already, like, pulling it out of the ebay archives, and then you're also adjusting it so that it really expresses your own style, which is something that, you know, people really want right now whenever they are feeling, like, so algorithmic about the style that's being pushed to them. That doesn't have to be perfect. Things can have rough edges, and that sometimes makes them feel more special.