What Vogue Editors Are Watching, Reading, and Listening To This Summer

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Podcast Summary: What Vogue Editors Are Watching, Reading, and Listening To This Summer

Episode Details:

• Title: What Vogue Editors Are Watching, Reading, and Listening To This Summer
• Release Date: June 3, 2025
• Hosts: Chioma Nnadi (Head of British Vogue) and Chloe Mel (Editor of Vogue.com)
• Participants: Geminati, Jose, Radhika Seth

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1. Summer Movie Highlights

The discussion kicked off with a deep dive into this summer's movie offerings. Chloe Mel shared her enthusiasm for "The Materials," highlighting its blend of romance and thought-provoking themes. Despite mixed reviews in their office, she praised Pedro Pascal's performance, stating, "Pedro Pascal was fantastic and Chris Evans was good. I just thought it was extremely charmed throughout the whole thing" (00:36).

Geminati chimed in, emphasizing Dakota Johnson's underrated comedic talents: "I think Dakota Johnson is also underrated as a comedian" (02:32). The group also expressed excitement for the Norwegian film "Sentimental Value," praising its emotional depth and Radhika Seth added, "There is no release date on it yet, so I don't know if we'll get to enjoy it this summer, but I do think it's the pick" (04:37).

2. Trending TV Shows

Shifting focus to television, the hosts discussed popular series like "And Just Like That" and "The Gilded Age." Radhika Seth expressed her fascination with "And Just Like That," particularly the fashion-forward and eccentric outfits: "There are some seriously unhinged outfits that carry ludicrously capacious hats. It was truly deranged what they're dressing them in, but I'm here for it" (06:22).

Jose lauded "The Gilded Age" for its historical accuracy and engaging storytelling: "The show is amazing because it's like, historically accurate, but also not at all. It's like one entire episode is dedicated to this one guy who works in one of the homes building a clock. I love it" (07:33). The panelists appreciated the show's aesthetic and character development, anticipating further season highlights.

3. Music Buzz and Concert Experiences

Music enthusiasts among the hosts shared their excitement for upcoming releases and concerts. Chloe Mel and Geminati discussed Lorde's evolving musical style, with Radhika Seth intrigued by her raw and frank lyrical approach: "It seems like what she's going for this time around is something really sort of raw and quite frank lyrically" (15:45).

Jose recounted his experience attending Lady Gaga's concert in Mexico City, praising the vibrant crowd and Gaga's performance: "The crowd was amazing. Lady Gaga is no stranger to incredible performances, and her concert in Mexico City was absolutely thrilling" (18:19). Chloe also highlighted Gustavo Dudamel's upcoming performances in New York, expressing her anticipation: "Gustavo Dudamel is playing at the summer series in Central Park, and I'm very excited" (19:06).

4. Book Recommendations

The editors shared their current reads and anticipated releases, offering a diverse selection for summer reading:

• Chloe Mel recommended "Spring" by Amanda Hess, a tech reporter's memoir on motherhood in the digital age, and "How to Lose Your Mother" by Molly Zhang Fast, describing it as a compelling narrative about loss and identity (23:18).

• Radhika Seth suggested "Darrow Farr" by an emerging author, praising its blend of humor and political commentary, making it an ideal beach read (23:58).

• Jose highlighted Tommy Dorfen's memoir, describing it as a beautiful and cathartic exploration of personal transformation, and Robin Givon's "Virgil Upload," which delves into Virgil Abloh's legacy in fashion (24:16).

5. Art and Theater Events

Art and theater aficionados discussed several notable exhibitions and performances:

• Leigh Bowery Exhibition at Tate Modern: Radhika Seth urged listeners in London to attend, celebrating Bowery's influence on fashion and performance art: "He was this underground legend who died of AIDS in the 90s and was this performance artist/club kid in the post-New Romantic era of 1980s London" (26:09).

• David Hockney Retrospective at Fondation Louis Vuitton: Geminati expressed her admiration for Hockney's work and anticipation to view the retrospective (27:42).

• Sergeant Show at the Met: Chloe Mel shared her excitement for the Sargent exhibit, emphasizing her love for his artwork (28:10).

• Evita Production: Geminati highlighted the upcoming Jamie Lloyd production of "Evita," noting Rachel Ziegler's role as Eva Perón and labeling it as the summer's hottest ticket (29:05).

6. Fashion Industry Insights

The conversation culminated with an in-depth analysis of the fashion industry's current landscape and upcoming designer debuts:

• Jonathan Anderson at Dior Men: The hosts discussed Anderson's first collection for Dior Men, anticipating a blend of tradition and innovation. Jose noted, "It's interesting because it doesn't necessarily have a lot of Dior house coats or the new look applying to menswear" (31:03).

• Glenn Martens for Margiela: The panel expressed excitement for Martens' couture debut at Margiela, highlighting his previous work at Jean Paul Gaultier and his versatile design approach (32:58).

• Demna's Last Collection for Balenciaga: They reflected on Demna's transformative impact on Balenciaga and his final couture collection, recognizing his role in revitalizing the brand (33:08).

• Michael Ryder at Celine: Chloe shared her enthusiasm for Ryder’s debut, praising his fashion sense and predicting a successful launch (35:39).

Radhika Seth added, "These designers are setting the pace and tone of fashion over the last couple of years. Having them debut this summer, ahead of the September rush, offers a fresh spotlight" (35:28). The group agreed that this summer promises to be transformative for the fashion world, with designers bringing unique perspectives and innovative designs.

7. Conclusion

The Vogue editors wrapped up the episode by encouraging listeners to engage with their cultural interests this summer, spanning cinema, television, music, literature, art, theater, and fashion. They emphasized the season's vibrant and transformative nature, inviting audiences to immerse themselves in the diverse offerings discussed.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Pedro Pascal was fantastic and Chris Evans was good. I just thought it was extremely charmed throughout the whole thing." – Chloe Mel (00:36)

• "I think Dakota Johnson is also underrated as a comedian." – Geminati (02:32)

• "The show is amazing because it's like, historically accurate, but also not at all." – Jose (07:33)

• "Lorde is being a cultural force, making people talk about her every move." – Jose (15:30)

• "Leigh Bowery was this underground legend who died of AIDS in the 90s and was this performance artist/club kid." – Radhika Seth (26:09)

• "These designers are setting the pace and tone of fashion over the last couple of years." – Radhika Seth (35:28)

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This episode of The Run-Through with Vogue provided a comprehensive overview of the summer's cultural landscape, offering insightful perspectives from Vogue's esteemed editors and creatives. From blockbuster movies and trending TV shows to captivating art exhibitions and groundbreaking fashion debuts, listeners are well-equipped to navigate and enjoy the vibrant season ahead.

Transcript

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[Chloe Mel]

This is the run through. I'm Chloe Mel.

[Geminati]

And I'm Geminati.

[Chloe Mel]

And it is actually. This is truly one of my favorite times of the year. The sort of the frison of excitement when it starts getting warm out but when you also want to go inside and see cultural things and movies, plays, concerts, etc.

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[Chloe Mel]

All right, I want to hear about the movies of the summer. I saw the Materials last night and I actually really enjoyed it. There were some mixed feelings around our office. I thought it was such a fun watch some thought provoking questions about love and matchmaking, math and Pedro Pascal is Jose. I spent the whole time trying to remember which way was the right way to say Pedro and which way was the way that Laia said it when you made fun of her. Was it Pedro was the wrong way or Pedro is the wrong way?

[Jose]

Pedro is the right way. Pedro is the anglicism, if you will, the gringoism.

[Chloe Mel]

Can we say gringo? Whatever. We can cut that.

[Jose]

I can. I don't know if we can actually.

[Chloe Mel]

Anyway, Pedro Pascal was fantastic and Chris Evans was good. I just, I had. I thought it was a really. I was extremely charmed throughout the whole thing.

[Jose]

I love that. I love a rom com.

[Chloe Mel]

It's true. And it's sort of like what is. What is a rom com in 2025? Because it has sort of a dark understory, but it feels. The themes it deals with I thought were really smart and well handled. Is Celine's song the nor ephron of our age? Dun dun.

[Jose]

Well, we also need to talk about like the love triangle and the Celine song of it all, which I am obsessed with.

[Radhika Seth]

And her husband loves Challengers.

[Jose]

Love triangle and the husband, of course, who wrote Challengers.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, I want to know what. I need a big juicy profile of those two and. And what they get up to.

[Jose]

Because I know, right?

[Radhika Seth]

It's a running theme in both of their work.

[Geminati]

I think Dakota Johnson is also underrated as a comedian.

[Jose]

I agree.

[Geminati]

I think she's such a good actress and I. And I think she's such a good comedic actress and I think. I mean I haven't seen it, but I imagine that there are lots of kind of charming, funny moments in this film. I Cannot wait to see it. It's definitely on my list of must see films this summer.

[Radhika Seth]

I love the trailer with the like, with the old school voiceover. That was like a proper 90s rom com trailer. I felt like a yagua for decades. Yeah, bring back the voiceover.

[Jose]

Bring back the voiceover. And the Materialist is actually on a list we are calling the He's Hot list of movies for the summer. Ooh, when I say we, mostly me.

[Radhika Seth]

Tell us more.

[Jose]

Tell us more.

[Chloe Mel]

What other movies are hot this summer, Jose?

[Jose]

Well, it's. I don't know if the movies are hot, but they are hot in them. You know what I mean? So that's kind of what I'm saying. But you know, all the sort of like quote unquote boy movies. So, like, there's a new Superman coming this summer. I love Nicholas Hoult. Nicholas Hoult, bald as Lex Luthor. I don't think anyone was expecting to be crushing over Lex Luthor anytime soon, but here we are. Jonathan Bailey is in the new Jurassic park movie. I kind of love a dinosaur.

[Chloe Mel]

I do, too.

[Jose]

And I love a Jonathan Bailey. So, you know, so it's. I'm winning already. And then of course, you have Chris Evans and Pedro Pascal, which is fab. And then you have Pedro again for the Fantastic. The new Fantastic Four. So we kind of love that. We do love a sort of a blockbuster.

[Geminati]

A blockbuster, you know, well, it was.

[Chloe Mel]

A sort of a.

[Jose]

It's an integral part of the summer.

[Chloe Mel]

You know, it was a hunk summit at Cannes.

[Jose]

It really was a hunk summit.

[Radhika Seth]

So, yes, highbrow, but I was really enjoying our wonderful British folk colleague Radhika Seth's coverage of all the movies from Cannes. And the one that I really want to see is Sentimental Value, the new Me Too.

[Jose]

What, the entry to film?

[Geminati]

Yeah.

[Radhika Seth]

Let go, Renate.

[Geminati]

Oh, my God. The best. The worst person in the world. She was the star.

[Radhika Seth]

I love that movie.

[Geminati]

Norwegian movie.

[Jose]

And she was so amazing.

[Geminati]

I just remember.

[Radhika Seth]

And it looks really funny as well.

[Geminati]

Yeah, yeah. I remember being in the theater after that film and just like being completely immobile. Like I couldn't move. It moved me so much. And Radhika was saying that she had the same experience with Sentimental Value where she. She was just crying after it. She said it was so powerful. There's no release date on it yet, so I don't know if we'll get to enjoy it this summer, but I do think it's the pick. And she's an incredible actress. And I think this will kind of propel her to a much more global audience because I think this is much more going to be. Have much more of a wide appeal. But the worst person in the world. I mean, it got. It got Oscar, but did it get Oscar. It got an Oscar nom.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah. I think it got a best for best international film.

[Jose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Radhika Seth]

But she was getting a lot of buzz for best actress and didn't get the nom. But I think this time around, she's in with a. With a strong chance. I say, having not seen the movie. But.

[Chloe Mel]

And Elle Fanning to the photo call for the film was wearing a little.

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[Chloe Mel]

High schooler that said walking trio summer. So there you go. Who needs brat?

[Radhika Seth]

I need one of those tee shots. They need to start selling them.

[Jose]

We should all wear them to watch the movie.

[Geminati]

What are we seeing about TV shows?

[Jose]

And just like that. Mm.

[Chloe Mel]

And just like that. We're onto TV shows.

[Jose]

Everyone is unconvinced.

[Radhika Seth]

I mean, I watched the first episode and I was in hook, line and sinker. I mean, there are some seriously unhinged outfits that carries ludicrously capacious hat. And I don't know. It was. It's truly deranged what they're dressing them in. But I'm here for it. And I also.

[Jose]

I love.

[Radhika Seth]

I want more Seema. Seema is my icon. Her smoking.

[Jose]

Oh, my God. Seema is the one. Seema is. Seema is very Sex in the city. You know what I mean? Like, she's sort of like, she would be friends with Samantha is sort of what I'm thinking. But I just. I love. And just like that, I love my girls. Bring back my girls.

[Radhika Seth]

I will say the one thing is when I'm watching the show, I'm like, I don't remember a single thing that happened the last season.

[Chloe Mel]

But that doesn't matter.

[Radhika Seth]

Curtail my enjoyment of it exactly. At all.

[Jose]

The only part of it that I remember is that Carrie now has a cat named Shu.

[Chloe Mel]

That I remember too.

[Jose]

You know, why not? But that's the thing about it. It's like, that's the kind of show that I sometimes live for. Like a show where nothing happen happens.

[Chloe Mel]

I couldn't help but wonder, is this the kind of show I need?

[Jose]

Exactly. Speaking of shows where nothing happens, my favorite show is back this summer. The Gilded Age. The Gilded Age. My favorite show in the world.

[Radhika Seth]

You know, have they got the opera House yet? Isn't that like the main plot point?

[Chloe Mel]

That was the cliffhanger finale last season.

[Jose]

But this is. This is the gag about that show, right? It's like, it's a show where everyone is hot. Everyone looks amazing in sort of all of these insane period clothing. You have Meryl Streep's daughter, who's pretty fat. You have Morgan Spector who's like, huge biceps, kind of like defy period clothing. I'm like, no one was eating that much protein during the gilded Age. But, like, go off.

[Chloe Mel]

Gilded Age is not protein chic.

[Jose]

Absolutely not. Oh, my God. Go read my story now on vogue.com. but I swear to God, the show is amazing because it's, like, historically accurate, but also not at all.

[Geminati]

And.

[Jose]

And it's like, yeah, it's like one entire episode is dedicated to this one guy who works in one of the homes building a clock, you know, and like, will he do it? Will he get the little money? I love it. I think it's great, actually.

[Radhika Seth]

Do you know what? It should be a Carrie Coon summer. That's who I want to be. That is a Cary Coon summer dominating cultural force.

[Chloe Mel]

There we go.

[Jose]

She should own part of Max because she's the reason why I subscribe. Well, now it's HBO again.

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[Geminati]

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[Geminati]

I'm really looking forward to actually Lena Dunham's new show too much. It's all kind of based on her life that she co wrote with her her husband and it's her life her big move to London. I don't know if you read her really touching story in New Yorker about breaking up with New York.

[Chloe Mel]

So I loved it.

[Geminati]

Yeah so this basically this show which I've seen a I've seen snippets of and super excited to see picks up where she leave where you kind of where you leave her off in the story in London based on her big lover story with and it has a really stellar cast. Emirate is in it. Lena Dunham's dog is in it. It's gonna be really fun.

[Radhika Seth]

I'm excited for that Alter is playing the lead. Right. I love she steals every scene and hacks and I'm excited to see her have her like leading lady moment.

[Chloe Mel]

I'm also will be watching the Smurfs movie in theaters when it comes out. Oh I know that everyone do tell.

[Jose]

Us how it is but.

[Radhika Seth]

I won't be going out of my way. I'm.

[Jose]

I will be watching however listen the Rihanna song didn't really got me there but you know what if you play it at the club maybe I'll maybe I'll popped it but can we discuss Freakier Friday? I will be sad for Freakier Friday. Maybe I will be sat alone but I will be sad.

[Chloe Mel]

People are very excited.

[Jose]

Listen me and Lindsay Lohan I will show up to the opening of an envelope for Lindsay. I will watch her. I will watch her watch paint dry. She's also wearing Christopher John Rogers on the poster of the movie. So I'm wearing.

[Geminati]

Oh is she?

[Jose]

Yeah, that's my sister. Like yeah, we love exactly.

[Radhika Seth]

I'm also ready. Did anybody see Megan? Because I'm ready for Megan 2.0.

[Jose]

Megan 2.0. I love I also love Megan on social media like Megan official account On X, having beef with, like, Chucky is.

[Radhika Seth]

Oh, I don't think I follow that. I've got to get into it.

[Jose]

It's so funny. I really want to watch Final Destination Bloodlines.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, maybe it's a. What Horror movie summer.

[Jose]

No, I kid you. Okay, so, like, yesterday I saw this TikTok that Charli XCX posted, and she was talking about Final Destination Bloodlines, about how Final Destination is this franchise where hot people die. And she was like, we should do one about just it girls. And it's like, me, Rachel Sennett. I don't remember who else she said, but I was like, yeah. Like, actually, I just. I just, you know, I love a Final Destination movie that will make me not want to go anywhere for, like a month.

[Radhika Seth]

I will say as well, those, like, the scenarios in which people die in those movies have really stuck with me, like, interesting. If I'm driving. If I'm driving behind a truck that has anything sort of loose in the back, I'm like, I'm moving lanes. I never go in a sunbed ever. Because of those movies.

[Jose]

It's like, I do not.

[Radhika Seth]

They really have lodged themselves or necklaces.

[Jose]

Into a frontal cortex. Very much same. They have made me a much more careful person.

[Chloe Mel]

All right, ladies, is it Lord Summer or not?

[Jose]

I. I love Lord with all of my heart. I think people just don't get it. I think Lord is usually ahead when she did solar power, and Liam is just kind of like, you know what? I'm just going to let her speak. And I appreciate that. So go ahead and make yourself, Liam. I'm saying, like, I think when Lorde released all her power, it's really funny because when, like, Lord and I are basically the same age, I think she's like, one year younger than me. So, like, whenever she was angsty as a teenager, I was angsty as a teenager. And then when she really saw her power, I was like, oh, my God. Lord and I are both happy now again. So that was really cute. But I do think she sort of released this album about being, like, vibey and chill and, you know, really within your, like, in comfortable with yourself and no one was there yet. And then years later, you have, like, a radical optimism moment with Dua Lipa, and everyone's like, yes. And I'm like, we were there. So that's my take. I do think it'll be a Lord summer. I think she's been brilliant at making people talk about her. Like, it's been really fascinating. Sort of watch her every time she Sort of does something. People have so many questions about it, whether it's like her talking about her gender identity, her talking about, you know, whatever it is bar, like wait. And I just think that's a good.

[Radhika Seth]

Pop star, you know, And I'm sort of intrigued by. I feel like every one of her albums has either been a sort of. It's had some kind of concept surrounding it or the way she writes lyrics. It's very much like steeped in metaphor and it's very poetic. And it seems like what she's going for this time around is something really sort of raw and quite frank lyrically. And I'm sort of curious to see what she does with that choma.

[Chloe Mel]

You are going to the tour of the summer. Tell us your Cowboy Carter outfit.

[Geminati]

Oh, I haven't got it planned yet, but I've been sort of keenly watching everyone on Instagram with their looks. So I guess I'm gonna have to find something.

[Chloe Mel]

Your enthusiasm Red.

[Geminati]

I didn't. It's so bad. I think I was more of an observer at the Renaissance tour too, because I didn't actually. Maybe I did wear something more disco y but not silver. I didn't wear like head to toe silver. But I do love, I like watching the fans. I love watching the fans. I have a couple of shows I'm excited about. Georgia Smith is playing early next month too, which I'm excited about. She has a few days. She's fab and I recently saw her at Ronnie Scott's which was such a treat cuz. So great seeing an artist in such a small space. But it'll be great to see her kind of take up a, a bigger venue too. And then I'm super excited for Kendrick and Scissors to come to London. I, I, I, I have seen videos of the MetLife Stadium outside the MetLife Stadium and, and everybody singing in unison to they're not like us. And it's just incredible. So I can't imagine what it's going to be like because I just can't imagine like a stadium full of people doing. Yeah. Singing in unison to this crazy song that was obviously the song of 2024. I don't know who you guys are excited to see in, in concert this, this summer.

[Jose]

I, well, I, I was, I'm devastated because I was supposed to go to Cowboy Carter with my friends last week in New York because we went together to Renaissance, but I couldn't go because I'm in my little immigration hiatus. But I'll be back. Yeah. So I couldn't go oh no. But I did see Lady Gaga in Mexico City when I was there for a vocal moment. That was.

[Radhika Seth]

What were the crowds like?

[Jose]

The crowd was amazing. I mean listen, like I love Lady Gaga. That is no secret. At the office, this like I went to the Chromatica Ball. Like that was great. But mayhem is like a completely different experience. But also like Latin American fans in general are very committed in concerts because we don't have a lot of artists that sort of like really lock in and like take the same quality of tour to our cities as they do elsewhere in the world. So like everyone was so thrilled in Mexico. I kid you not. The looks were like insane. Like for a minute I was like should I be like shooting this street style on my phone? I was like should I be like on assignment? Like it was crazy. So I'm really excited. I know. And then I was like I'm not working but I still do. But yeah, I mean that was crazy. Obviously the real concert that she did on the beach was insane.

[Radhika Seth]

I watched some of the clips of her performing at Coachella and I also went to see the Chromatica Ball and she looks so much more happy to be on stage and just really giving it her all. Like the choreo, the singing, the vocals, it's like. It's pretty astonishing really. Like it's amazing reminder of what an incredible performer she is and how she.

[Jose]

Got to the position exactly to where she is.

[Chloe Mel]

You know what I'm excited about and it's extremely mayhem Ball adjacent is Gustavo Dudamel is coming for a few weeks to New York from LA before he next year takes up full residency at the New York Phil. And he is playing at the summer series in Central Park. And I. I love these New York feels concerts that they do in Central Park. It is such a like er, New York experience in the summer. And that's next week and I'm very excited. There's Tchaikovsky, there's Stravinsky. Everything's happening for Dudamont. Everything's coming up Dudamount.

[Jose]

It's gonna be so major. And then Miley's Something Beautiful is coming out.

[Radhika Seth]

I'm super excited for that one actually. She's been working with some really interesting people on it. My. One of my favorite bands always co wrote one of the songs.

[Jose]

Oh really Love. Yeah, I just love Miley. I think Miley just makes some really good music. I love that she's just, she's just doing Miley, to quote one of her own songs. But I just, you know, I Love to hear. She looks incredible. She's wearing the best fashion, the best.

[Radhika Seth]

Archive, lots of amazing Mugler.

[Jose]

Alaia Mugler. I love that she made a visual album just to wear the things.

[Radhika Seth]

Yeah, I think it's great because when someone says they're doing a visual album, I sort of assume that it's gonna be some. They're doing lemonade, high concept, you know, but it's just her looking fabulous and couture and amazing archival dresses.

[Chloe Mel]

They pulled the run through. Will be back in just a moment. And we're back. All right, team, what are we reading?

[Jose]

What are we reading?

[Chloe Mel]

I have been really deep into male mogul memoir Spring, which is Barry Diddler, Graydon Carter, Keith McNally. It's been a real big BD memoir spring, and now it's moving into a mom memoir summer. Amanda Hess wrote this really good book called Second Life. She's a tech reporter for the New York Times and it's about her sort of pregnancy and early motherhood being sort of under the gaze of the algorithm and how entwined motherhood has become with digital apparatuses. But it's very good and I thought a sort of interesting take on something we've all read and thought a lot about. And Molly Zhang Fast's memoir about her mother, Erika Jeong, how to Lose youe Mother, is coming out in a few weeks and people are very excited about that. I also just finished a galley of my friend Mike Grimbaum's excellent book about Conde Nast empire of the elites. And it is so juicy and fun and such. Just a delightful and fascinating account of an anthropological study of sort of American culture in the 80s and 90s through the lens of Conde Nast. So I'm really excited for people to read that. That's coming out in. I also I'm a big Edward St. Aubyn Patrick Melrose devotee, so I love him. His new book Parallel Lines comes out.

[Radhika Seth]

Parallel Lines.

[Chloe Mel]

Yeah. And I was kind of intrigued by the Ron Chernow Mark Twain biography, but then it got such a mean review in the Times. I was sort of piqued my interest more. But yeah, that's my list of the.

[Radhika Seth]

Moment if you want a fun beach read this summer. I just finished a book that I really enjoyed by. I think she's a first book, her first novel, she's called Darrow Farr and it's called the Bombshell and it's about this kind of 17 year old French politician's daughter in Corsica in the 90s who has this very sort of pampered privileged existence, but then gets kidnapped by a kind of separatist independence group and becomes radicalized. But it's also very funny, and it's all written from her perspective, and it has a lot of interesting things to say about, you know, performative politics and charisma and image and how we. I don't know how we choose our leaders and the sort of politicians that we're drawn to and the political figures that we're drawn to, I guess. But it's also really fun. It's honestly, it's a beach read. It's a page turner. I had a great time with it.

[Chloe Mel]

Wait, Jose, what are you reading?

[Jose]

What am I reading? I am reading Tommy Dorfen's memoir.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh. Which we just excerpted on it.

[Jose]

Yes, it came out this week. It is a really. I'm taking my time with it, but it's a. It's been. It's been a really beautiful read, sort of as, like, I only recently gotten to know Tommy. So it's been really interesting to sort of read it in her words, but sort of her contextualizing her life over the past sort of decade. Talk about her transition, addiction, marriage, divorce, all of these things has just been really beautiful and just really cathartic in a sort of way. It's written like a very. Like the way she will talk to you. So I think that's really beautiful. And I am also reading Robin Givon's Virgil Upload book.

[Geminati]

Oh, how's that?

[Jose]

It is a very interesting book. So far, I think was really. I've always loved her voice as a critic. I think she's always been very fair and very honest and very nuanced, and this book does exactly that. Except that what is really interesting about it, too, is that she's so acutely aware that she's not talking to just fashion people. She's talking about sort of like the mainstream culture at large, who's been also really fascinated and obsessed with Virgil's legacy. So she's like. She's been very interestingly balancing the. You know, Virgil became iconic because of this, and he made an impact in fashion because the way he approached it, but also, like, collectively, fashion didn't always love the designs. And this is also why. And, like, sort of finding the balance between those two truths is really interesting and something I think people haven't necessarily done very eloquently since his passing. So it's a really great one. I do recommend it, Liam.

[Chloe Mel]

Art, theater. Art and theater that you're seeing.

[Radhika Seth]

Well, I mean, I've seen Two really amazing exhibitions fairly recently, and I believe they're both running all through the summer. But the first one was sort of an exhibition about Leigh Bowery at the Tate Modern in London. And if you're in London anytime this summer, I would urge you to go and see it because I don't know how familiar you are with Lee, but he was this sort of amazing. I think he was born in Australia, but he was this kind of underground legend who died of AIDS in the 90s and was this sort of performance artist, slash club kid in the kind of post New romantic era of 1980s London. And the show is. It's a real kind of eclectic mix of objects and artworks and clothes as well. Lots of the amazing Mr. Pearl corsets that he used to wear. And he was amused to Lucian Freud. So there are some of his kind of paintings of him and videos of his collaborations with the amazing choreographer Michael Clark. It's a really special show and also has a strong fashion link. Was very much an inspiration for Galliano and McQueen. And it's, yeah, really worth seeing if you're in town. And then I also saw a couple of weeks ago the David Hockney retrospective at the Fondation Louis Vuitton, which was really special as well. I can't wait to see paintings from. Are you gonna. Are you gonna be able to catch it soon?

[Geminati]

I don't know. It's always hard to fit in the Fondation when you're in Paris for.

[Radhika Seth]

I know it's a bit of a.

[Geminati]

Shaft, first world problems, but I've heard so much about it and I'm a huge David Hockney fan. I just love, love his work. So that would definitely be on my list. As well as Leigh Barry. Those are the two that I'm still wanting to see this summer.

[Chloe Mel]

I'm going to see the Sergeant today.

[Radhika Seth]

Oh, nice.

[Chloe Mel]

The Sargent show at the Met with Madame X. It's been so crowded and so I'm finally going for a little tour this evening and I'm so excited because I'm such a sucker for Sargent. And I'm also excited for the Jane Austen exhibit at the Morgan Library. One thing about me, I'm consistent. And also we've talked about the Frick reopening a lot. But I will say that Vladimir Kanevsky, the porcelain artist who made the beautiful flowers that are all over the museum for its reopening, the Vladimir florals are only there until October and they really are exquisite works of art. So I recommend everyone go before they are whisked away.

[Geminati]

Oh, I Have one more. I have one. One more exhibit in London that I'm dying to see, which is the Michaela year with Dan. She's an incredible painter. We covered the magazine recently. Jack Davidson shot her and the portraits are just so beautiful. And I haven't seen her work up close. And she's showing at Hauser and Wurf until. Until. Until August, so I have some time. But I feel like here, as far as theatre, everybody's talking about Evita, about Jamie Lloyd's Evita. Rachel. Rachel Ziegler will be Eva Peron. We're all super excited. That's going to be kind of an amazing production. I think it opens in June or July. Let's see. But that feels like what everyone. That feels like. That definitely feels like the hottest ticket this summer. Well, I feel like we can't. We can't do it. We have to talk about the fashion because it's. There are still several debuts left that are coming up. I'm going to hand it over to you, Jose, because I feel like you're going to give us a full rundown of what we can expect.

[Jose]

Let's do it. So, obviously this has been a really transformational year and a half for fashion, but I do, like, we're finally sort of settled in terms of designers shifting and moving around. Most of the debuts are for September, but the summer is a little promising, I will say. So during menswear in Paris, late June, I think it's for the 27th, is Jonathan Anderson's first collection at Dior for Dior Men. So that'll be fascinating. I think there's a lot of expectations about what that can look like or that should look like. So everyone's really curious about that and I think.

[Geminati]

Don't you think, too. Sorry to interrupt, Jose. I feel like it would be great to sort of give some background because Jonathan started with menswear, so it's kind of nice that he's coming full circle, no?

[Jose]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think it's interesting. Like, I think Jonathan is a very influential designer in culture, but I think as it pertains to fashion specifically, he is a very influential menswear designer. So I think it'll be interesting to sort of. Dior Men has always, you know, used to be Dior Homme before Kim Jones, but it's always been a very interesting kind of. Of experimental ground for menswear. It's always taken the shape of whatever designer is running it. You know, when Eddie Slimond was doing it, it was, you know, famously all about the skinny jeans, spring 2005, famous show about his skinny jeans. But I do think it's really interesting because it doesn't necessarily have a lot of. A lot of the Dior house coats, like the new look, the bar jacket. All these things don't necessarily apply to menswear as much or are not known in culture as part of menswear. That it is a place where you can do a lot. So that'll be really interesting to see.

[Radhika Seth]

I feel like Dior Homme and the womenswear collections have always. They felt very siloed. They've always sort of operated within their own worlds. And it'll be interesting to see how Jonathan, you know, finds a synergy there and brings them together to create a 360 degree Dior wardrobe.

[Jose]

Exactly. I think, you know, this will be the first time that literally since Mr. Dior, I think that there is only one designer at the helm of all of menswear couture and ready to wear, and that will be Jonathan Anderson. Another thing that will be really interesting for the summer is Glenn Martens debut for Margiela is going to be a couture collection, which is also, interestingly, full circle because, you know, Galliano, John Galliano. Swan Song at Margiela was the couture show seen around the world, spring 2024 from last January. So it'll be interesting to see Glenn take on Margiela from couture first and.

[Geminati]

And he'll be doing H and M later in the year. So it'll be a real high low year for him, won't he? Isn't he the next collaborator? I mean, I was gonna ask you about collabs. He's the next H and M. Yeah.

[Radhika Seth]

It'S a guy that can do both.

[Jose]

Exactly. You know, contains multitudes. It is interesting that you mentioned that, Shoa, because, you know, ever since Karl Lagerfeld passed, everyone was like, who's the next Carl? Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, and famously. Exactly. He was the first H and M collaboration in terms of designers. So that'll be really. It is interesting to sort of contextualize Glenn as a designer and culture as this guy who's giving you, like, Diesel, Julia Fox, Tom of Finland, all of the things. But at the same time, he's giving you, like, Y project or Margiela deep cuts. Right. So that's exciting.

[Radhika Seth]

And the way that he worked with, like, denim at Diesel was, you know, from a technical perspective, so extraordinary. I'm very excited to see what he does with a couture atelier at his fingertips. You know, I think we might be in for some really amazing surprises.

[Geminati]

Well, I mean, I think we've had a taste from what he did at Jean Paul Gaultier. I think he was definitely one of the strongest, of course, collaborators. So we have. We've had a little. We have a. We've had a sense, but yeah, and.

[Radhika Seth]

A mouse bouche, if you will.

[Geminati]

An amuse bouche. Exactly. And speaking of co. There's also. Isn't. Isn't Demna doing his last.

[Jose]

It is, it is. So Demna's last collection. Yep. Dema's last collection for Balenciaga will be a couture collection as well. Also really interesting because he was the designer that brought. Well, Balenciaga brought couture back since Cristobal Balasiaga's years with Demna. So it'll be. It is really interesting that his last sort of effort will be a couture collection. So that's that. Like it. It is sort of like an interesting summer of what will happen. You know, I think Glenn and Jonathan specifically are designers that have helped set kind of the pace and the tone and the mood of the. Of fashion the last couple years, especially the last year. So having them sort of go first before, ahead of September is. Is really interesting.

[Radhika Seth]

And I feel for you and all of our beloved colleagues on Vogue Runway with the deluge of, like, debuts that's gonna happen in September, so at least they're spreading out a little bit. And you won't be. So you're gonna have a couple. You can get ahead of a few stories.

[Geminati]

September to remember, guys.

[Jose]

Exactly.

[Radhika Seth]

September to remember.

[Jose]

As Kandy Pratt's prize used to say, September is the January of fashion. Wait, there's one more, actually. Michael Ryder at Celine.

[Radhika Seth]

Yes, I'm really excited for that one.

[Chloe Mel]

He's so handsome.

[Jose]

So handsome.

[Radhika Seth]

That's why you're excited.

[Jose]

Like one of the best dressed men in New York when he used to live here. But his debut is scheduled for the day before couture, so July 6th. That'll be really interesting because I think, you know, he. His appointment was announced in October of 2024. I think, like, it's been. It's been a minute. And it's the one person we haven't heard anything about. Like, all of the other designers have placed, you know, Sara Bird undressed, Timothy Chalamet.

[Chloe Mel]

It's true.

[Jose]

Exactly. You know, everyone sort of gave you like an amuse bouche. Everyone tried to give you, like, a little tease. And he's sort of been fully Zipped. Just working on it. So I think it'll be, is it.

[Radhika Seth]

A menswear show or a co ed show that's happening?

[Jose]

It is, I believe, a co ed show. We actually don't have a lot of information about it. But you know, Eddie Zimon, when he was at Celine, he sort of like took them out of the fashion calendar and started he was showing doing shows right before, like right in between menswear and couture. And then he started doing the video. So, like, you know, it's interesting that they're sort of following that cadence, at least for now. I do think it's smart for these designers to sort of stage their debuts during the summer instead of September because they get a little more attention. So I don't know, you know, they have to share the.

[Chloe Mel]

No one likes to share their toys.

[Jose]

Exactly. They have to share less. They have to share the spotlight a little bit with less people, you know, so that'll be interesting. But it is an interesting summer for fashion, so we shall see.

[Chloe Mel]

The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Joanna Solotarov. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and Luke Mosley. Stephanie Karaoke is our executive producer and Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of Global audio. We would love to hear from you guys, our beloved listeners. To hear what cultural moments you are excited about this summer, please leave us a comment and we will be back next week.

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