What Vogue Is Looking for in the Next ‘It’ Model

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Run-Through with Vogue Episode: What Vogue Is Looking for in the Next ‘It’ Model
Release Date: August 7, 2025

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1. Introduction to Vogue’s Model Search Initiative

The episode kicks off with hosts Chloe Mao and Che Minardi discussing Vogue's latest endeavor to discover the next generation of supermodels. Vogue is actively seeking aspiring models aged 18 and older to submit photos or short videos through the Vogue app by August 25. This initiative aims to feature new talent in major Vogue editorials, signaling Vogue’s commitment to evolving the modeling landscape.

Notable Quote:
Chloe Mao [00:26]: “Vogue is on the hunt for the next generation of models… for a chance to be featured in a major editorial moment in Vogue.”

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2. The Doge Cover Contest – Overwhelming Response

Chloe introduces the Doge cover contest, a unique competition where participants could submit pictures of their dogs to potentially grace the Vogue cover. The response was staggering, with 52,000 submissions far exceeding the anticipated few hundred to a thousand. The selection process involves Vogue’s global talent casting director Iggy Barillo and fashion news editor Jose Criale Suntuerta, along with other esteemed panelists.

Notable Quotes:
Chloe Mao [01:21]: “We got 52,000 submissions.”
Che Minardi [02:28]: “Fun fact. Looking at cute animals is actually good for your nose, nervous system.”

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3. Fashion Trends Highlighted: The Skims Face Wrap

The hosts delve into current fashion trends, spotlighting the viral Skims face wrap. Margot Ambuba, Vogue’s beauty editor, shares her firsthand experience trying the face wrap, which has garnered significant attention online. The discussion touches on both the aesthetic appeal and the practical considerations, such as skin safety and construction intricacies.

Notable Quotes:
Che Minardi [11:04]: “I'd been dying to know someone who's actually tried it. I mean, tell me everything.”
Chloe Mao [12:11]: “It comes almost X shaped and you have to figure out where the Velcro goes and put it around your face.”

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4. Defining the Modern Supermodel

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to exploring what constitutes a modern supermodel. Iggy Barillo emphasizes that beyond physical attributes like height and measurements, personality plays a crucial role. The conversation highlights the shift from the traditional, homogeneous models of the past to today's diverse and multifaceted talents.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [27:36]: “The simple answer is just personality. Like, you can have the looks and the height and the measurements and all of that stuff, but it's just who you are.”
Che Minardi [29:35]: “She's so professional. The walk is amazing.”

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5. Evolution of Model Discovery in the Social Media Era

The hosts discuss how the discovery of models has transformed with the advent of social media. Unlike the traditional in-person scouting methods used in the past, today's scouts leverage online platforms to find talent. This shift allows for a broader and more diverse pool of candidates, highlighting models’ personalities and online presence alongside their physical attributes.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [24:42]: “It's easier, I guess, to just like find them. Like everyone is online, so it's just like easier.”
Che Minardi [25:46]: “People are looking now for like personalities and all of that aspect.”

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6. The Impact of AI on the Modeling Industry

A critical discussion point is the potential impact of Artificial Intelligence on modeling. The hosts express skepticism about AI replacing real models, emphasizing the irreplaceable human qualities such as charisma, warmth, and personal interactions that models bring to the industry.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [41:55]: “I really hope that [AI] just doesn't go anywhere. It's like, you need people.”
Che Minardi [42:24]: “It's something natural. And I think we should normalize this.”

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7. Inclusivity and Size Diversity: Progress and Challenges

The conversation transitions to inclusivity and size diversity within the modeling industry. While there has been progress toward more inclusive casting, challenges remain. The hosts critique the industry's tendency to revert to thinner models and discuss systemic issues such as reluctance to adjust clothing sizes and designs to accommodate diverse body types.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [45:25]: “The houses are pretty big... it's like, yeah, it keeps going down and down.”
Che Minardi [46:23]: “We don’t need just one or two models. There is room for more.”

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8. Vogue Open Casting: Selection Process and Judges

Detailing Vogue Open Casting, Iggy Barillo explains that this year’s competition is more streamlined, focusing on a single winner from a large pool of applicants. The judging panel includes influential figures such as Simone Jacquemouz, Virginia Smith, Anna Wintour, and representatives from fashion agencies like Woman Paris and Vogue France.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [27:25]: “It's just, it's who you are. Like, it's the biggest factor.”
Ignacio Murillo [33:22]: “We wanted to develop this beautiful system where models can submit their applications…”

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9. Concluding Insights and Future of Modeling

The episode concludes with reflections on the future of modeling. The hosts reiterate Vogue’s dedication to discovering and nurturing new talent who embody both the aesthetic and the personality necessary to thrive in today’s fashion world. They emphasize the importance of maintaining human qualities in an increasingly digital industry.

Notable Quotes:
Iggy Barillo [43:55]: “It's an ideal situation. You're not casting the girl because of what she means, but because of who she is.”
Che Minardi [44:52]: “We are here to talk about Vogue Open Casting because we believe in models and want them to continue to thrive.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Vogue’s proactive approach in seeking new modeling talent through digital platforms and open casting calls.
• Massive engagement in specialized contests like the Doge cover, reflecting Vogue’s innovative marketing strategies.
• Shift towards personality and online presence being as important as physical attributes in model selection.
• Continuous challenges in achieving true inclusivity and size diversity within the modeling industry.
• Vogue’s commitment to preserving the human element in modeling despite advancements in AI and digital trends.

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This episode of The Run-Through with Vogue offers an in-depth look into Vogue’s evolving strategies for discovering and nurturing new modeling talent, highlighting the balance between traditional scouting and modern digital methods, while addressing ongoing industry challenges related to inclusivity and the role of technology.

Transcript

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Hi, I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. Ebay is one of the places where it ends up factoring so much into my fashion month because it lets me find pieces that I know aren't just pushed on me because it's a trend that's happening at the moment. There's an element of discovery with ebay where I'll find something new that excites me.

[Chloe Mao]

This is the run through. I'm Chloe Mao.

[Che Minardi]

And I'm Che Minardi.

[Chloe Mao]

Vogue is on the hunt for the next generation of models now until August 25, aspiring models who are 18 and older can submit a photo or short video on the Vogue app for a chance to be featured in a major editorial moment in Vogue.

[Che Minardi]

Oh, my God, how fab. And what's more, our beloved colleagues Iggy Barillo, who is Vogue's global talent casting director, and Jose Criale Suntuerta, regular on the pod, and fashion news editor, are on the committee who will be selecting the winner. And so they'll be on to talk about search process, what makes a good model, and generally the state of modeling today.

[Chloe Mao]

I'm very excited. We had a lot of submissions, and they will keep coming. You know what else? We had a lot of submissions for Choma Doge, the Doge cover contest.

[Che Minardi]

I cannot wait to see the winner. I mean, I feel like you might be the chief judge on this committee. Am I right? No, no.

[Chloe Mao]

We have a robust judging committee, but also. So for those who are not aware, we opened up a group chat on the app where people could submit pictures of their dogs, and the winning dog will be a cover do when Doge launches on August 18th. We expected, I would say, a few hundred or maybe a thousand submissions. We got 52,000 submissions.

[Che Minardi]

That's a lot of submissions at once.

[Chloe Mao]

It was a lot of submissions. It was much more than expected. We also don't know how to go through all of them, so we've had to ask everyone on staff to take 1,000 that they go through. Stop. Everyone's just, like, scrolling through pictures of dogs.

[Che Minardi]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe Mao]

But it's extremely exciting, and we can't wait for our coverdog when we whittle down our 52,000 to a couple of hundred. There is a select judging committee that includes also Ignacio Murillo, because these are Doge models, Raul Martinez. And we're also involving the president of the Westminster Dog show.

[Che Minardi]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe Mao]

Who is going to weigh in on the best in Doge?

[Che Minardi]

Fun fact. Looking at cute animals is actually Good for your nose, nervous system.

[Chloe Mao]

So I believe that.

[Che Minardi]

So you're gonna be very regulated after this Doge search.

[Chloe Mao]

I mean, there have been some very fun. There was one greyhound who was smoking Vogue cigarettes in the picture, so that won't really fly. But there's also a Great Dane wearing pearls and sunglasses.

[Che Minardi]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe Mao]

Sort of looking like Giambattista Valli.

[Che Minardi]

Oh, my goodness. I love that people are styling their doe covers in advance of the doe cover.

[Chloe Mao]

That's.

[Che Minardi]

Well, Chloe, tell me everything about your fabulous week off in France.

[Chloe Mao]

I had such a good vacation.

[Che Minardi]

It was. You got a lovely tan. You look. You look glowy.

[Chloe Mao]

Thank you so much. Thank you very much.

[Che Minardi]

Glowy.

[Chloe Mao]

Chloe, the one week a year when that will be the case. I feel like it was the first year that my children, who were three and five, were actually like little humans who you could negotiate with and have rational conversations about what needed to happen and moving through an airport. And it wasn't like just traveling with two sort of feral creatures. So that was very nice.

[Che Minardi]

I don't know how far back your memories go, but Artie's gonna start remembering these holidays from now on, right?

[Chloe Mao]

Cause it's like, that's what we said was like. I definitely feel like this is a memory that has been set. Which is. Which is exciting.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

So we had a lovely time, ate a lot of cheese, a lot of ice cream. And what did you read?

[Che Minardi]

I need to know the reading list. Cause I know you're so. You're so good with that.

[Chloe Mao]

Well, I mean, I have to say, traveling with children, reading is not something that really happens.

[Che Minardi]

And also how you do it with children, period. I can barely read, and I have no kids.

[Chloe Mao]

I mean, I read 40 pages of a wonderful John Updike book. Couples that I'm going to keep trying to read. But, yeah, there was not a lot of reading happening. Chalma, I want to know about your very glamorous looking weekend where you were playing Jenga. You looked healthy and happy. We love to see it. Who won your Jenga game?

[Che Minardi]

It was a tie. So basically, my boyfriend and I went to the new Soho farmhouse in Ibiza, which is very chic. And I'd actually only been to Ibiza for a shoot, for a shoot with Rihanna, actually a cover shoot. And I remember waiting around patiently to do an interview. That happened in Paris, actually. So it was one of those trips. And it was off season. It was, like, in February. So it wasn't like the Ibiza that we know and love, which is like, you know, peak Summer Ibiza. And it was really fun. We walked around the club zone where just to see what the actual like clubbing vibe was. And it was like, not for me. Like, I think we wanted to see Black Coffee, who's legendary DJ who allegedly gets like 400k a night to perform.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Wow.

[Che Minardi]

Isn't that crazy?

[Chloe Mao]

But that's crazy.

[Che Minardi]

It doesn't go on until 3am which you know, is not, well, not compatible with my Oura Ring score. So we did not do that. But we had a really fab. We had a really fab time. And it was kind of like a taste of summer because it was just like a couple of nights. But you know, when one lives in Europe, one can do short trips to Ibiza. So it was, it was quite fun. And now I just want to get a gigantic Jenga tower in my home or somewhere because it was really fun.

[Chloe Mao]

No, you don't.

[Che Minardi]

It was really fun. I don't know. Maybe you have to clean it up. Okay. Well, I don't know.

[Chloe Mao]

It's always tumbling. It's more fun when it's not in your house.

[Che Minardi]

I get it.

[Chloe Mao]

I'm just going to put that there.

[Che Minardi]

I get it.

[Chloe Mao]

Choma, are you sad about. And just like that being canceled?

[Che Minardi]

I'm so distraught. I, Radhika Seth, who wrote a great piece about it on the British Vogue team, a wonderful culture editor. She and I were just commiserating about this because I don't really. I haven't watched any show. To me, I get it. I know it's not Sex and the City, but that was the one show I watched religiously. You know, of all the shows that existed, I think it's like that. And Succession and White Lotus are the kind of series that I've. I've never skipped a. I've never skipped an episode. I've watched them like deeply. So now that with it ending, it just feels like I'm so invested in their lives.

[Chloe Mao]

I'm not caught up, but I sort of jumped in late when she's with the charming British biographer. And I love that she wore the Vivienne Westwood dress that was bought at the Vivienne Westwood auction. And so it was actually from her Vivienne Westwood's archive. It felt like such an er, Carrie moment.

[Che Minardi]

Oh my God.

[Chloe Mao]

And I felt like that was sort of old school Carrie Bradshaw coming back. It's like this sort of princess. It gives sort of Cinderella because it's this distressed hem silk skirt and beautiful sort of Cinderella blue silk top. And it just felt. Took me back to original SATC days.

[Che Minardi]

If you had to pick one designer on Carrie that you love the most, which one would it be?

[Chloe Mao]

It might be Vivienne Westwood.

[Che Minardi]

I know. I think for me, it's that and Galliano, Ira Dior. Like that.

[Chloe Mao]

The newspaper dress.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah. But I do think, like, she's. Westwood has been a kind of thread throughout, and it just looks so good on her.

[Chloe Mao]

It looks so good on her.

[Che Minardi]

So, yeah, we're just gonna have to see what replaces this giant hole in my life.

[Chloe Mao]

Hunting Wives.

[Che Minardi]

Okay. Is that what I'm gonna be doing?

[Chloe Mao]

Everyone's watching Hunting Wives. I've not yet watched it, but Emma wrote a great piece about the deceptive southern sweetheart style of the Hunting Wives because they are much more cutthroat than they appear. But it's like. Sounds like a lot of drama happening in Texas. It's women who love to hunt. They're also. It seems like it's vaguely trad wifey, but there's deceit and murder and all kinds of seven deadly sins involved. It's giving me Texan big little lives with rifles.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah. I'm more of a city girl, so I like an urban drama. But we can maybe. I'm ready to go to rural Texas and explore this, but maybe this is a good voyeurism for me. Well, we'll have to see. Yeah. Well, this morning I went to a screening of Highest to Lowest, which is Spike Lee's newest film. I mean, we talked a bit about it with a $AP, didn't we? We talked to a $AP about this. Denzel Washington's in it. I don't want to give too much away because I think if you're into it, basically, it centers on the life of a music mogul, a big kind of a big New York music mogul. Who knows who it's based on, but it's probably an amalgamation of a lot of different industry, like, hip hop industry figures. I don't want to give away too much. Denzel Washington plays this character and there's a kidnapping involved. And A$AP Rocky is part of this, like, plot, and it's. It's ultimately the main character for me was New York. Like, I literally shed a tear watching it because the Puerto Rican Day Parade scene, I felt very nostalgic for New York and Brooklyn. And there's lots of the skyline. There's lots Dumbo. One World Trade makes an appearance like it was. For me, that was like one of the. Without giving too much away. That was one of the kind of, like, tender moments for me. And just watching Jeffrey Wright perform in any film.

[Chloe Mao]

Just the King.

[Che Minardi]

He is the him and Denzel. And then there's a very great scene with Denzel and A$AP Rocky, which is very tense and very suspenseful. But yeah, I can't wait for you to see it.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Che Minardi]

So I did spy a story on the vogue.com website by our beloved Margot Ambuba, a beauty editor. I have seen this viral trend on my Instagram everywhere. It is the Skims face wrap. And I'd been dying to know someone who's actually tried it. I mean, tell me everything.

[Chloe Mao]

Basically, when this big drop announcement happened last week, this even pierced through my low screen time. French Wilderness. No, it didn't. Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Che Minardi]

This was a thing that pierced through.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah. Well, specifically, Anthony Hopkins wearing one.

[Che Minardi]

I didn't see that.

[Chloe Mao]

I mean, he wasn't wearing one of the actual ones, but people were saying that they look like Hannibal Lecter masks. And so Anthony Hopkins joined the joke, which, what an absolute dream. And wore. I don't know what he was wearing, but it was an approximation of one. Basically, Margot was desperate to get her hands on one. They were completely sold out. Even Skim's PR was like, we don't have any. So Sergio went to Kim's team directly and they sent one of Kim's personal supplies overnight.

[Che Minardi]

As worn by.

[Chloe Mao]

Well, great question. Mario took it out of the box and it doesn't. It's not. You have to sort of build it together. It looks like it's almost like Lego instruction.

[Che Minardi]

Really.

[Chloe Mao]

It comes. It.

[Che Minardi]

It's not like one seamless piece. No.

[Chloe Mao]

It's almost X shaped and you have to figure out where the Velcro goes and put it around your face. But yes, Margot wore it for several days. I thought she looked very glamorous when she tried it on in the office with her sort of cat eye shades.

[Che Minardi]

She looked. The picture was, was. I mean, the holding image was like, pow.

[Chloe Mao]

She did speak to a few dermatologists and she said that she felt tighter and plumper. But some people that she spoke to said that you have to be careful that it's not. You're not sort of just getting microbes and bacteria around your face because it is sort of. If it's dirty, you're just rubbing that against your. Your skin.

[Che Minardi]

Speaking of new things, I did see a picture of Kate Moss headed to the beach with a Birkin. And I wondered, swoon, right? I mean, isn't that sort of like carrying on I mean, given this big Birkin sale, I wonder if it was like, maybe she saw that and thought, I need to dig out, like, one of my, like, well worn Birkins and just in the spirit of Jane Birkin, bring it to the beach. Because, to be honest, like, it's exactly what Jane Birkin would have done. Don't you think? I kind of love it. Like, don't treat your bag as precious.

[Chloe Mao]

Totally. I think that's the absolute spirit of the woman and the namesake. I love an unprecious bag. I love when you see sort of fancy older women in an airport with, like, completely destroyed, like, Vuitton trunks. What a delight.

[Che Minardi]

Use your stuff. Like, you know.

[Chloe Mao]

Yes, very much the spirit of, like, I have beautiful china and it has chips on it because I use it every day.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah. I think it is making me think, which airbag that I do own can I bring to the beach? I don't think I have anything that's just big enough to hold stuff.

[Chloe Mao]

Well, that's the thing. I do want a big beach bag. And to me, a Birkin's not quite there. I need a large towel.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, maybe it's like one of those LV carryalls or something. Okay, okay, first confession. I didn't. I'm so ashamed to know that I'd never seen what a placenta looked like until I saw Calvin Harris Instagram about his wife's birthing story. And it really, like, made me think, huh? Like, I didn't know what a placenta looked like at this. At my big age, I didn't know what a placenta looked like.

[Chloe Mao]

Anyway, I actually don't really know what a placenta looks like either.

[Che Minardi]

But you have had kids. What do you mean, but I know what placenta looks like?

[Chloe Mao]

A placenta. Great question. I'm Googling placenta.

[Che Minardi]

So it started this whole conversation and we had Claire Cohen, who's a contributing writer, write this very great piece about why she thought it was quite. She thought it was a good thing that, you know, we were seeing this. And I've had lots of friends who've used their placenta, made their placenta into pills because it's so rich with nutrients and hormones and it's something that you can use and freeze. And so many of my friends have. But I've never seen the actual contraption that does the making of pills. But he broke it all down. It was quite fascinating. And his man has 11 million followers. A lot of people were like, you should have put a trigger warning. I think it's not a trigger warning. It's something natural. And I think we should normalize this. But I felt quite like, wow, I don't know what a placenta looks like. And now I know. And as someone who has their umbilical cord buried under a tree in Nigeria, I felt like I should know this.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Wow.

[Chloe Mao]

Wow. Choma. What a flex.

[Che Minardi]

Yeah. This is what we do in our culture. Each tree, it's like your tree for life. I think it's a lemon or orange tree, but you have one as soon as you're born. So my umbilical cord, not my placenta, but my umbilical cord was shipped or taken or hand carried to Nigeria. Probably that's not allowed, but it was. That was what happened. And then it was planted with a tree on top. And so my brothers have. Yeah, isn't it nice?

[Chloe Mao]

And your brothers have their own trees?

[Che Minardi]

They have their own trees. We're not in competition. But they have their own trees. I think mine is probably the best tree. But, like, don't tell them that.

[Chloe Mao]

But we're not in competition.

[Che Minardi]

We're not in competition. We all equally have beautiful trees. No competition here. No.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah. It's funny. I do have a lot of friends who have made pills out of their placenta or, like, frozen their placenta. I had one friend who sent her assistant back to the hospital to pick up her placenta, which felt like it was probably beyond.

[Che Minardi]

That's not. You can't do that. You have to personally pick up your own placenta. Guys, just saying.

[Chloe Mao]

No, exactly. It's. That's a personal affair.

[Che Minardi]

Do you regret not having a placenta in your freezer?

[Chloe Mao]

No, I actually don't. I feel just fine about that. I do have some regrets in my life, but the presence of my placenta. I'd much rather have a quart. A pint of Van Leeuwen ice cream.

[Che Minardi]

That's very on brand for you.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah.

[Che Minardi]

Okay, that's it for headlines this week. We'll be back with Iggy and Jose.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Whenever I'm looking for things with ebay authenticity guarantee, it often ends up being sneakers. I'm not necessarily sneakerhood, but there are specific sneakers that I may have, like, fallen in love with and have been discontinued. And it's really nice to find them on ebay. And so it'll just like a pair of platform Converse loafers. It will be a pair of vans white slippers with, like, a very specific low toe. And so it's great with ebay to just be like, this is a real thing. It's in the size that you want, it's in the style that you want, and it's real.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Please welcome to the stage and to the run through Iggy Murillo. Well, Ignacio Murillo, whatever you prefer. Diva. Vogue's global talent casting director. Did I get that right? Yes, period.

[Iggy Barillo]

Hi.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Hey, girl. What's up?

[Iggy Barillo]

You know, just working.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So what's kind of your day to day? Like, what does that look like? I usually see you fighting for your life on the phone.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yes. So it's a lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, trying to get options on the girls, making sure they're available for, like, our shoots, for our events, for all things Vogue.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So how did you start doing this specifically for magazines too? Like, what's kind of that career path? Like?

[Iggy Barillo]

Well, I started like over 10 years ago at Bazaar. I got an internship there, and then luckily I became like the assistant to the editor in chief.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Okay.

[Iggy Barillo]

So I kind of got to learn about this job that I did not know that kind of existed. But I've always kind of like, love models. Okay. So I just kind of was like the medium person between the casting director of the time and the editor in chief. And she kind of noticed that I like more of the same taste that she liked.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Okay.

[Iggy Barillo]

So I kind of got lucky that I was just giving the job without even knowing how to do it.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Well, you didn't get lucky.

[Iggy Barillo]

You worked well.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, but it's like, I just like to reform it.

[Iggy Barillo]

Well, it's like. Yeah. So it was basically that my first call was like, with Joan Smalls agent. I didn't even know, like, I didn't know what I was doing. So my first call was I was trying to get Jones Smalls to do this story. Like, I had no idea what a first option was. What second option? Well, the first option is that means that the model is available for, like, your job. Like, you're the first job that is in your calendar.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Okay.

[Iggy Barillo]

And then a second option means if, like, if a job is in front of yours. So when you have a second option, you're just like praying and hoping that.

[Ignacio Murillo]

This other option falls through.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, that doesn't. Gets confirmed. But yeah, it's just I kind of got. I work for my luck and started doing models there. And then three years ago, I got also lucky and I got this job.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, well, we started almost at the same time, which is cute. I remember I was like, oh, my God, we got two Latinas.

[Iggy Barillo]

Exactly. I think it was like a few months after you.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, it was like, right around the same time. Because it was like, I started early 2022. You started late 2022, maybe.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yes.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right. Something.

[Iggy Barillo]

I'm not good at math, but yeah, period.

[Ignacio Murillo]

You're good at models, though.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yes.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So let's go. I mean, I want to go back to sort of when you were much younger and you started sort of. You found this obsession with models. Like, how did you come across models and started loving them? Like, was it magazines? Was it tv? Like, what was kind of that experience?

[Iggy Barillo]

It was magazines because I came to this country when I was, like, 10 years old. So kind of like, the way that I use magazines was kind of like, to learn the language. And then also, like, I come from, like, not the most wealthy background. So it was kind of like the. I use magazine to Paris. Yeah. Just, like, to take me to all these places. So I've always. I love, like, Vogue, gq, Bizarre, like, all of those magazines. So it's kind of like when I first started to take notice of the girls, and then obviously, like, during my childhood, Victoria's Secret was, like, the biggest thing. So it's like, I love watching, like, the show. And, yeah, that's what kind of started me loving models. But I. Again, I did not know that this was, like, a job I could pursue it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it's so interesting because you. I love that you say that you love models, because I. Something I've noticed about seeing you work is that you care about models. Like, it's not just you like, someone because they look good, because they photograph well, because they walk well, but you have a relationship with models as well. Like, I also love seeing that models love you. What's it like for you to develop relationships not just with people in the industry, but with the models themselves. Right. Like, hey, like, Iggy's calling. I don't know.

[Iggy Barillo]

I just think it's, like, it's important just to kind of treat them like people and having that relationship with them, like, it helps a lot when, like, they don't want to do this project, you know? Or, like, it just helps you kind of get them on board.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right.

[Iggy Barillo]

And then also build the trust that they can trust us, that the pictures will be, like, the best pictures ever. Or, like, the videos and the interviews, like, all of it.

[Ignacio Murillo]

It's just like, that you're looking out for them.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, exactly. Just gaining the trust from them. Yeah, absolutely.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So not to ask you to pick favor, but pick favorites. Like, historically been one of your favorite models or a model you've always looked at. As kind of like the epitome of modeling, perhaps.

[Iggy Barillo]

There's one that I want her to come back. It's Jasmine Wari. I'm probably mispronouncing her last name.

[Ignacio Murillo]

A queen. An original catwalk extraordinaire.

[Iggy Barillo]

The walk is larger than life, so I just hope that she comes back.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Well, there was. I mean, I don't even know if I should be saying this, but those are the best stories. But there was, like, a couple, maybe, like, a year ago, she was supposed to come back for a huge brand. Right? That was a story.

[Iggy Barillo]

No, it's like, yeah, so. And then it didn't happen.

[Ignacio Murillo]

And then it didn't happen. I was devastated because I heard through, like, the gays in the industry that it might have happened and it didn't.

[Iggy Barillo]

No, it's like.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, it's like, you know, for our listeners, Yasmin is, like, one of the true OG supermodels. But if you sort of contextualize her at the same. I wrote around the same time as, like, Alina Evangelista, Chrissy Turlington, Cindy Crawford and Naomi Campbell. She was one of the models that was, like, a model's model, right? Like, she was a catwalk queen. Like, unlike a lot of models who sort of stepped away from the Runway and pursued other opportunities on camera or, like, commercials, et cetera. She was truly, like, a Runway diva. Right?

[Iggy Barillo]

No, it's like. Yeah, I mean, just the walk.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Just the walk.

[Iggy Barillo]

Like, one of the best walks. But, of course, it's also. I'm obsessed with my ultimate. Ultimate is Kate Moss also.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I feel like Kate Moss. We're around the same age, and I feel like Kate is such a big part of our coming into fashion and fashion as pop culture, because, you know, I do. I remember when there was a lot of controversy around her and her going out and all these things. And, like, I remember vividly when McQueen wore that T shirt that was like, we love Kate or we always love Kate or something. I feel like it was like, hey, we love you, or we love Kate. Right? And he was kind of like, standing behind her and being like, no. Like, you are a supermodel. We love you.

[Iggy Barillo]

Like, it's fine.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Life is life.

[Iggy Barillo]

You know, it's like. Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

And I just remember. But, like, speaking of Kate, I think this is a good tag, actually. So she was famously discovered at JFK Airport. She was very young. I think she was, like, 14. And, you know, Naomi Campbell was discovered window shopping, I think, in London. It was like, there's a lot of these kind of really iconic discovery stories. But something that has happened in the age of social media is that a lot of models are now discovered online. You know, Alex Konsani was discovered, I think through like her TikTok presence probably. And Paloma Cesar famously was discovered by Pat McGrath, the makeup artist, a makeup queen. Why do you think there's been sort of a pivot in the industry in general for the discovery of models to be on these online platforms as opposed to like an in person scouting?

[Iggy Barillo]

Well, I think it's just like times have changed and then also with like Covid and all that, it's easier, I guess, to find them. Like everyone is online, so it's just like easier, I guess to just like find them. But also there's more that they're looking now for like personalities and all of that aspect and like you can get to. You can get a whole sense of like, who a person is through like their social media socials and all of that.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, that is super interesting, right, because now we sort of operate based on the standard of a lot of these models that we've mentioned, right? Like, we see them as these larger than life figures and we know that it takes more than just a good photograph, than just a good walk. Like, we know that it involves just being good on camera, being funny, charming, all these things. And to your point, we sort of get a well rounded image of someone online. But speaking of discovering someone and discovering someone on our phones, we are here also to talk about Vogue Open Casting, which we're doing for the second time ever. We made the announcement earlier this week on the 4th. What can you tell us about Vogue Open Casting? Since it's a project that you're majorly.

[Iggy Barillo]

Leading, it's basically a model search to discover and encourage and showcase new generations of models.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So we did it for the first time in 2023 and that was really cool. Like, we had both just started this job. And I remember, you know, famously Vogue has done model searches in the past, but this was kind of like the first one, I think that was fully like online in the context of, you know, American Vogue and global Vogue all working together. Right?

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, it was very global because we ended up also picking like eight finalists, which was very global, like from Japan, from South Africa, from the us, Morocco, London, France. Like it was all all over.

[Ignacio Murillo]

That's so major. So, like this year we're formatting this a little differently so now models can apply on the Vogue app. So they go like, we've sort of worked on developing this beautiful system where models can submit their applications. And to your point, where we're talking about social and their personalities, they show us their walk. They show us, you know, they answer a couple questions. They do, like, an interview. I mean, I remember I was reading Grace Coddington's memoir a couple years back, and I didn't know this, but, like, she won a Vogue model in competition, and that's how she sort of before she was, like, one of the most prolific sittings, editors, and creative directors at Vogue, she was a Vogue model, which is kind of iconic. So tell me what, you know, what are you looking for in this year's, like, finalists? Because this is also what's different the first time around. We selected eight finalists. This year, we're standing behind one model, which is crazy, because it is a large pool of applicants that we're narrowing down to. Just. Just this one lucky would be supermodel.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So what are you looking for?

[Iggy Barillo]

Hopefully, we find her. The simple answer is just personality. Like, you can have the looks and the height and the measurements and all of that stuff, but it's just. It's who you are. Like, it's just, like, the biggest factor.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right.

[Iggy Barillo]

So it's just, like, simple as the personality.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right. And it's interesting, right, because to your point about height, measurements that are. All of that has changed as well. Right? Like, there's no one specific set of measurements. There's not one specific kind of height requirement. There's not one specific size. Like, that is almost, like, secondary. What you really want is charisma, uniqueness, urban talent.

[Iggy Barillo]

Exactly.

[Ignacio Murillo]

RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Iggy Barillo]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

That's so cool.

[Iggy Barillo]

You're describing it better than I am. Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Well, we've been working on this together for a minute, honey. I'm curious about, you know, kind of, like. And we've just talked about this as well, because we've been prepping for this and working on other projects. But, like, who are some of the kind of, like, latest models to break out that you're really excited about? You know, I think there is kind of, like, a new class of supers in the making that is really exciting, and I obviously have my own favorites. But I'm curious who you have your eyes set on.

[Iggy Barillo]

I mean, I think she already reached that level. But, like, Amona, it's like. It's like that Alex is, like, rising like there's no tomorrow. Like, it's insane of how popular, like, she's gotten.

[Ignacio Murillo]

It is really wild. No, it's like her and I have the same birthday.

[Iggy Barillo]

Oh, well, it's like, it's really just two supermodels. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, she's just like so extraordinary. There's also like Lolibahia, who has a crazier TikTok following without having a TikTok. Like, she just goes viral.

[Ignacio Murillo]

It is really funny. Like, she stays on my for you page and I'm like, girl, she's not even posting.

[Iggy Barillo]

Exactly. She was supposed to launch her TikTok. So I'm waiting for. For the launch.

[Ignacio Murillo]

If you are listening, this is your opportunity to launch your TikTok.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, there's also like, I love her so much. Awar odyoung. Just what a beauty. So kind, so professional. The walk is amazing. But yeah, some of those are like my current favorites.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Your current faves. So what, you know, you sort of mentioned a walk, a personality, but what to you makes like a modern supermodel. Right. Like, we, again, we sort of operate in the idea of the supermodel of the 80s and 90s, but times have changed. Like, the game is not the game that we used to play back then. Right. So what does it look like now to become a supermodel? Like, what do you think is important?

[Iggy Barillo]

I mean, I think it's again, just goes back to the personality. Like, not that acting silly and stuff like that on social media helps, but like, it's just all about, I guess, just like who you are.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right.

[Iggy Barillo]

Cause like Loli, to me, it's like someone, for example, like, shy and very tamboyish. But like, there's a huge.

[Ignacio Murillo]

But then you put her in a Runway.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah. And then there's like all this like, huge fascination of like, wanting to like. I think like now there's a lot of people that want to know who they are and get behind them. But like. Yeah, I don't know how to pinpoint a specific trait. Yeah. That they need to have because it's like all of those that like skyrocket, it's like they're also different.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it is very true. I think it's interesting because, you know, you think of someone like Alex Konsani, and Alex was such a big. She had such a big social media presence before she became kind of like this IT model that you see.

[Iggy Barillo]

But it also, like, she's been working for a couple years, hasn't. It's like. Yeah, yeah. So it's been like. And then it took a minute, but like. Yeah, it's like you can't really like, pinpoint. It's also, I guess when you meet them Too. It's like sometimes you kind of, like, know. Like, I met, for example, like, two years ago, Angelina Kendall. She came to see us at the office, and in, like, 10 seconds, I knew. But then she was 17. And we have a great role that we're not allowed to use anyone under 18, so we had to wait, like, a year for that. So we just kept, like, counting on the days. But it's like, sometimes you just, like, meet them, and in, like, two, three minutes, you know, this is it.

[Ignacio Murillo]

You know that.

[Iggy Barillo]

That's it. Yeah. But it's like, I don't know how to explain it, which is kind of.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Fab in a sense, Right? Because it's the same thing. You know, some. There's so much discourse around, quote, unquote, movie star online. Whenever someone, like, whenever a movie comes out, everyone's like, oh, that's a star. But I think it is interesting because, like, what makes a movie star, like, there is an ineffable quality of, like, there's a charisma. There's, like, something that attracts you to them, and it's the same thing. Like, I. So much of my job is to sit at Runway shows, and there's. There's some models that you really could not stop looking at. Like, I don't know. Like, I remember the first time I met Anok, for instance, an Oki. I was like, wow, like, you're not just a great model. You're just, like, really funny. You know what I mean? And that, to me, just kind of contextualized everything. Like, I could see how people kind of gravitated around Anok. And then when I met her and I realized I was, like, fully a part of this orbit, I was like, oh, wow. Like, this is real. Like, this is a thing, right? Like, this sort of, like, it factor does exist.

[Iggy Barillo]

So it's like. Yeah. But there's also some of them, too, that, like, they just show up to set and you don't expect it, but the second that they. You start shooting, it's like a complete different person, Right? Like, just the way that they move and they get, like, so engaged and. Yeah, it's just crazy. But, like. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to pinpoint. Yeah, it's like, how to pinpoint it.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right?

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Dressing for fashion shows requires a little spontaneity, and you have to plan for the events of your day, but also be open to what's around you. And a lot of that'll be influenced by the street style that you're seeing. Just, like, in the moment, sometimes everybody's wearing low bun scrunchies. Obviously, we know that for a while, they were wearing trench coats. So whenever I'm using the search bar on ebay, I'm really thinking about, like, a theme or, like, an aesthetic that's interesting to me at that moment. And so sometimes it really is just, like, sheer sparkle, mesh. Ebay will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And so much of what I'm wearing for fall shows is from ebay.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Well, something that is also really exciting about open casting this year is our panel of judges. So you and I are both in the selection committee, but we also have Simone Jacquemouz, a designer who we all love.

[Iggy Barillo]

And he loves models too.

[Ignacio Murillo]

And he loves models. Exactly. So the reason I wanted to bring him up is because I think also historically, there's been a lot of designers who have helped make supermodels. You know, I think there's, like, Jennifer Versace is a really good example. Like, there's this one iconic moment from fall 1991. I think that, you know, Linda, Cindy, Naomi, and Christy are, like, walking down the wrong way to George Michael's freedom. They had just done the music video, and that's a moment that you're like, wow, these are those girls. Right? And I think Jacques Mousse, in so many ways, like, a lot of his Broadways are kind of like an it girl convention.

[Iggy Barillo]

Exactly. But I also think it's, like, what's so great about him? It's, like, how creatively he picks the location. There's a whole experience out of his shows that I think it also helps with it.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right? It's true. There is more. So it's not just a good wrong way. It's not just clothes. It's really, like, there is a full experience that makes people want to pay attention. And I do remember, like, last, like, his most recent show that was at Versailles. Like, all of these models that you were mentioning walked, like, Mona, Loli, Angelina, Alex. And I remember I was like, damn. I was like, wow, all of it. And I was, like, taking videos for our social team, because I knew that the girls were gonna live for it. But even then, the show before that in January also had, like, iconic model, like, Christy Turlington walked that show. Leah Kabit. Like, I think there's also, you know, people kind of understand that he has this love for models. So it's really exciting that he's part of the selection committee.

[Iggy Barillo]

I'm very excited.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, it's gonna Be Fab. Who else is part of the selection committee?

[Iggy Barillo]

Virginia Smith. Virginia Smith, Global fashion director.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yes.

[Iggy Barillo]

Anna.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Anna, of course. Wintour, in case you were wondering which you shouldn't be.

[Iggy Barillo]

And then Osana, who is an agent from Woman Paris that we work very closely with, and Claire Thompson from Vogue France.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I love that. When I say supermodel, what's the image that comes to your mind? Is there, like, a moment in a show? Like, there's a lot of iconic Runway moments, for instance. But, like, what comes to your mind when I say the word supermodel?

[Iggy Barillo]

So many things. But, I mean, like. Yeah, you mentioned that Freedom video. Then, like, the Bella Copernic comes up to mind the shalom. And McQueen comes to mind Giselle's heel breaking at Givenchy. And then her walking.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Her walking with the invisible shield.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, it's like, that comes to mind.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Walking around Giselle, walking around the protesters.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah. Which I, like, was Googling recently. And I didn't realize that that also changed her perspective. Like, that's. She became more like an activist after that and then. Cause recently, I think when that happened, she signed to, like, a fur company, like, to be the face. And then she stopped after that and, like, took more of, like, control of also her image. Cause she was, like, mortified. But I don't. But, I mean, yeah, it's like. Yeah, but those are some of the moments that come to. I'm sure. There's, like, so many.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, there's so many. Like, I. To me, I mean, I love that you mentioned Giselle's heel breaking. Cause I also remember, like, there's this one famous photo of, like, Naomi after falling at a Vivian Westwood show.

[Iggy Barillo]

That's okay.

[Ignacio Murillo]

But to me, the biggest gag is when she stands up, puts the shoe back on, and just, like, keeps walking. And it's just so. It's so fab. You know what I mean? Like, to me, those moments of, like, you're like, oh, that's. That's a supermodel.

[Iggy Barillo]

Every time. Also, you get an American Vogue cover.

[Ignacio Murillo]

There you go.

[Iggy Barillo]

You're a supermodel.

[Ignacio Murillo]

That's a real model maker, the supermodel maker. Do you think these sort of moments. Obviously, Giselle's moment, her heel breaking, is an accident, but she is a real pro. But do you think a lot of these moments are planned in a way? For instance, if you think something like Shalom and the robots sort of painting her dress at McQueen or Bella and the spray and dress like a. They're obviously planned, but, like, they're kind of brand stunts that end up making or cementing supermodels. So, like, what do you think is kind of what makes these really big moments special? Like, why are we so hypnotized by them?

[Iggy Barillo]

Because I think. I mean, before those moments, they were never done. They were not done before. Like, when before that robot moment, it's like, I don't recall ever a robot spray painting a dress live. And then you have, like, a master of movement of, like, Shalom, just like, embodying that whole moment and embracing it. Because she. She did an interview with. With us where she talked about, like, she. It was kind of like winging it, like, in the moment. And then also with, like, Bella, it's like it was in a way, kind of like a spray paint again. But, like, this time was like, humans with this new fabric technology and then also just having, like, the presence of someone that, like, Bella, that really commands.

[Ignacio Murillo]

The attention of the room. Yeah.

[Iggy Barillo]

So I think it's like you can plan them to an extent, but it's also just. I don't think anyone is like, oh, this is going to be a moment that people are gonna remember for the next 30 years. It's like they're at least hoping for it to go viral in, like, a month or two.

[Ignacio Murillo]

With Shalom, there's also this one iconic moment. We also actually asked her about this, but, like, todor o' ol'dum you know, it's like her and Amir Valletta are walking this toe olum show. Amber is first, and then Shalom walks right behind her and, like, cuts her very playfully. And it's viral in every single possible context on social media, which I think is so funny when they're like, friends. Right?

[Iggy Barillo]

Which I think is just like, yeah, it's just being friends.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, it's just being cute. Slammer.

[Iggy Barillo]

But also, like, back then, it's like they had. They were allowed to have, in a way, their personalities and kind of more freedom of expressing themselves on the Runway. Now it's like everyone kind of has a more similar walk and brands don't really embrace that. And like, before, it's like Tyra Banks had her own signature walk. Like, every single model had a signature walk.

[Ignacio Murillo]

That's true.

[Iggy Barillo]

And there's very, like, kind of few nowadays that, like, you can tell, like, you know, people have signature walks.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Who do you think has a really good signature walk today?

[Iggy Barillo]

Oh, I mean, most recently, it's like she. She was getting, like, bullied on. On social media. But, like, Libby Bennett Aversace, it's like she was just, like, feeling herself. It's like that show is naturally, like.

[Ignacio Murillo]

That was fun.

[Iggy Barillo]

Sexy, and empowerment and all that stuff. So she was just like, she went for it. And I love that because the other ones, it's doing the same thing. But I love War's ODN's walk. She was my favorite at the last Victoria Secret show, and just simply because of that big smile that she gave. But yeah, some of those are currently, I guess, in my mind.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it is really interesting that you bring up kind of models, them versus now, because I think this is also where social media becomes a really special place and an important place for them to showcase their personality. Right. Because back then you had the Runway and it was this opportunity to be playful, to be whatever you needed to be or whatever you wanted to be in that moment. But now, because I think this transition happened in the late 2000s, into the 2010s, kind of Runway walks have been a little bit more homogenized. They have social to play. Right. Like, Alex can be. Can have this beautiful walk that kind of sort of looks similar in every show because it's also her signature. But then she can pull up her TikTok, and that's where you really see her, the other side of her shine, which I think is really cool. Right?

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

So I also want to bring up kind of, what else have you. What else do you think are shifts that have happened in modeling since, you know, of original supermodel years to now? What else do you think has changed? Obviously, there's. We can talk about inclusivity. We can talk about kind of like size diversity and a lot of the great initiatives that have changed the industry and that we're sort of still battling with right now. But I'm curious, what else do you think has changed in the context of modeling?

[Iggy Barillo]

There's so much. I mean, it's just like. Yeah, it's like we went from the period of, like, all this super big celebrity models on the COVID of every single magazine every single month to. To then, like the early 2000s, like, no one. Not that no one cared about models, but, like, on purpose, they were booking models that look exactly the same as the other one. And then now it's like we're kind of getting back to that same era of, like, people want to know about, like, Kendall and Bella and Loli and Alex and, like, all those girls. And, like, yeah, it's more inclusive, I would say. There's still a lot of work.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right.

[Iggy Barillo]

But yeah, I mean, it's just like I don't know specific what other things have. Right.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it is interesting. I think something that I would bring.

[Iggy Barillo]

Up is AI, but I really hope that that just doesn't go anywhere. It's like, yeah, because it's like. I don't know, it's like you need people.

[Ignacio Murillo]

You need people, you want people. And I mean, we're talking about personality. We're talking about the warmth of someone on camera. We're talking about someone's smile, about someone's walk. Those things are ineffable human qualities.

[Iggy Barillo]

No, exactly. I just don't think like. Like, sure, for like an image, but like, I also just. I don't see how that.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it's also really interesting because, you know, the magazine went viral and I know you know this on TikTok because, you know, people are like, oh, my God, Vogue is using AI models, when in reality it was. It was. It was an ad that was printed in the magazine. It was nothing produced by Vogue. But it does bring up a very important conversation which is, could AI ever replace the real thing? And I don't think it's a very simple answer. And the answer is no, because it's.

[Iggy Barillo]

Like also like another thing that the girls bring. It's like you want to buy things that they're wearing. You know, it's like, it's like you need that aspect of, I don't know, like more of a real. Like you need real things.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, you. I mean, it's also why, like, the model off duty look is also like a thing, right? Because you don't only want to see them on the Runway, you see them as this, like, as something aspirational.

[Iggy Barillo]

No, it's like, yeah, it's like I want to buy what they're. What they're selling.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Like, I. Paloma was wearing like my favorite Balenciaga collection by Nicolasquier the other day. Like, she posted. I think she was on vacation and I was like, I wanna, like, I wanna be her.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ignacio Murillo]

But to me, that is a supermodel. To me, it's that. It's that quality of like, aspirationality within fashion, within beauty, within a look, but also just kind of like, I also know Paloma. She's warm, she's nice, she's nice to everyone. She's so kind. She has her priorities in place. You know what I mean? It's like you want to be like, these people, and again, they need to be people.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah. It's like you can't replace. Yeah, yeah.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it's also Why? I think to look back to open casting is why we do this. Right. Like, we. And, you know, you and I have been working on this for a couple of months, and we finally got to this moment of launching it, which felt really good for both of us. But. But we're also doing it because we believe in models, because we want models to continue to thrive, because there is room in the industry for more supers, for more IT girls, for more. Yeah, I think something that's really interesting that's been happening in culture at large. I mean, we are in the age of Ozempic, right? We're sort of in the age of thinness, which, I mean, is really just fascinating. As a thick girl myself, same period. That's my girl. Exactly. But I do think, again, as someone who goes to shows basically for a living, I have witnessed and I have noticed also the industry sort of swinging back into casting less curvier models. Like, a lot of the models are, like, thinner and thinner. What is your take on what we're seeing in the industry?

[Iggy Barillo]

I mean, I think you kind of answered about the whole, like, rise of Ozempic. I mean, I can't really pinpoint why. I don't know if it's like, sometimes I hear the excuse that it's resources, but I'm like, the houses are pretty big. Like, they're big corporations. It's like, I can't take its resources as an excuse, but, like, yeah, I can't really specifically pinpoint. But yeah, it keeps. I feel like every season it just keeps going down and down. And then it's not only that, but it's like they use the token 1 or the token 2, and it's like.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Yeah, I mean, to sort of expand Eggy's point when we're talking about resources. And I've heard this as well. You know, Vogue Business, my colleagues on Vogue Business work on a size inclusivity index every. Every season where they kind of track model castings, right. And they tell you sort of like, plus size, mid size, average size, sample size. Right. But I think to this point, a lot of brands tend to be like, oh, no, we. We only have resources to sample in one size. So all models need to be one size. And I'm like, like, well, that, you know, that that feels like a half. It's not even. It's not even half truth. It's just really. It mostly feels like an excuse. And, like, I've worked at a brand before. I worked at brands. I worked in fashion. I worked producing samples. I was Sewing on the floor. You can. You can change a sample. You can fit a sample. You know what I mean?

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah. And then another, like, ridiculous excuse that I've heard is that, like, they didn't fit the shoe. So it's like, you're gonna kill the whole entire look based on, like, I don't know.

[Ignacio Murillo]

It's like, fix the shoe, Find another shoe.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, it's.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, it's also really interesting. Cause to your point, something that we've noticed as well is that now it's like, the same one or two models that are slightly curvier or that are, you know, fuller sizes that walk. But to me, my frustration is that they somehow always end up in the same look. I'm like, why is she in a knit black dress? It's always a knit black dress.

[Iggy Barillo]

And, like, I don't know, not to, like, defend them or give them grace. Like, I don't know. It's also maybe cause of how fast the industry is of, like, how they have to fastly produce, like, one show to the other, and they don't have enough time. Because, like, usually for shows, when you're casting shows, it's like, two, three days before the show. So it's like, three days out. You don't have enough time, I guess.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, that's also true. To change it, you're not making an entire new look. And, like, you know.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah. What I just wish is, like, at least they would use that as a priority to be, like, let's think weeks in advance of, like, we want to have, like, Paloma, for example, like, make sure that we have a look for her.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Right.

[Iggy Barillo]

And. Or request the measurements in advance. Like, once, you know, it's like. So it's.

[Ignacio Murillo]

Or sample something in a larger size because, you know you're gonna want to cast Paloma or Jill or Devin or anyone, really. Like, it doesn't have to be just one of the three.

[Iggy Barillo]

Yeah, well, that's, like, the excuses, but, yeah, I don't know exactly.

[Ignacio Murillo]

I mean, I also think it's really cool that, like, I don't know, like. Like, Alex Khonsani, like, Alex is a trans woman. And, like, I've never sort of seen it be a topic of conversation with designers, at least not, like, visibly, which I think is fab. Like, I love that she's walking Chanel. I love that she's walking Scaparelli Couture. I love that she's walking all of these brands, like, I don't know. Connor Ives, like, all of these brands, like, from small to big. And it's just like she's just Alex, you know what I mean? Which is what I think is kind of an ideal situation. You're not casting the girl because of what she means, but because of who she is and the fact that she's just a really good model, which is the ideal. Iggy, thank you so much for joining the Run Through. You're welcome. Exactly. That's my girl. Thank you so much and thank you for listening.

[Chloe Mao]

And that is it for the show this week. We will see you guys soon. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Kariuki. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast's head of Global Audio.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Right now, I am wearing this, like, perfect, kind of like, almost periwinkle purple metallic leather jacket that one of my best friends got me for my birthday just a couple weeks ago. And she got it on ebay. And the first day I wore it was to the Vogue offices. And as I was walking in the door, one of my cool friends stopped me outside and was like, this jacket is so cool. The color is so radiant. Was it made for you? And I was just like, my friend got it on ebay and it is perfect. I'm wearing it once a week, if not more. But it's the kind of thing that I plan also to be wearing for fall shows. Like, that's a completely appropriate thing to wear as an editor who's going backstage to be interviewing people sort of like behind the scenes. But maybe you end up finding yourself, like, with a seat at the show. La la. Or maybe you have to go straight from there to a dinner that's like, very fancy, everything kind of needs to take you everywhere. And my ebay style is like, it can go everywhere.

[Che Minardi]

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