What You Might've Missed At the 2025 Oscars

Summary

The Run-Through with Vogue: What You Might've Missed At the 2025 Oscars

Release Date: March 3, 2025

In this episode of The Run-Through with Vogue, hosts Chloe Mao and Cho Min Ody, alongside Vogue editors Marlee Marius and Taylor Antrim, delve into the highlights and behind-the-scenes moments of the 2025 Oscars. The conversation spans fashion highlights, memorable speeches, social media reactions, and the broader implications for Hollywood’s future.

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1. Fashion Highlights at the 2025 Oscars

Classic Hollywood Glamour

The red carpet at the 2025 Oscars exhibited a strong inclination towards classic and conservative styles, reminiscent of the 1950s Hollywood glamour. Cho Min Ody remarked on the event's "very classic" and "timeless" aesthetic, noting, “It felt very safe” (00:52). This year saw an emphasis on traditional silhouettes, with numerous strapless gowns featuring sweetheart necklines and hourglass figures.

• Notable Looks:
  • Elle Fanning donned a Sarah Burton for Givenchy haute couture dress, referencing the designer's inaugural collection from 1952, beautifully modeled by Ivy Nicholson (03:11).
  • Emma Stone impressed in an understated Louis Vuitton 1920s-inspired sequin slip dress, complete with finger waves and short hair (09:59).

Chloe Mao added, “It was like sweetheart neckline, hourglass. Sort of everyone trying out for, like, Little Mermaid prom kind of vibe” (02:45), highlighting the widespread adoption of this nostalgic look.

Best Dressed Men

The men’s fashion made strong statements, blending classic styles with bold choices. Omar Apollo stood out in a Valentino ensemble paired with a face veil and striking Boucheron jewels, embodying a blend of glam and modernity (04:07). Conversely, Andrew Garfield’s brown Gucci tuxedo received praise for its timeless appeal (04:07).

• Humorous Highlight:
  • Timothy: Taylor Antrim humorously critiqued a “buttery yellow suit,” saying it was “hugely regrettable” (04:42).

Vintage Moments

Vintage-inspired fashions were prevalent, especially at the after-party. Kendall Jenner shone in a true vintage Thierry Mugler peach dress, characterized by a high neck and full sleeves, emulating a darkly romantic aesthetic (08:41). This look was praised for its homage to the softer 1970s glamour, a style Valentino continues to master (09:41).

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2. Memorable Moments and Performances

Best Original Song Controversy

The Best Original Song category ignited significant debate. The winning entry, performed by three French artists, left many viewers perplexed and online communities in uproar. Taylor Antrim highlighted the controversy, stating, “Shoma's Flo is getting seen now because it's on max streaming” (22:44), referring to the unconventional nature of the performance.

• Key Points:
  • The winning song by Emilia Perez received mixed reactions for its departure from traditional Oscar-winning tunes (21:30).
  • Critics like Cho Min Ody appreciated the sincerity, remarking, “I found it really moving” (29:57).

Notable Speeches

Several speeches stood out for their emotional depth and humor:

• Karen Culkin’s Speech: Culkin’s lengthy acceptance speech, though seen as “fine” by Marlee Marius, was critiqued for its length and casual demeanor, including an awkward gum-tossing moment (24:17).

• Sean Baker’s Acceptance: Baker's multi-faceted role in the creation of Anora—writing, directing, editing, and casting—was lauded as a testament to his dedication (13:45).

• Andrew Garfield and Goldie Hawn: Their heartfelt presentation was a standout, with Garfield emotionally reminiscing about how Goldie Hawn made his mother smile (33:14).

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3. Social Media and Memes

The event's fashion and moments quickly became fodder for social media discussions and memes:

• Timothy’s Butter Suit: The “buttery yellow suit” became a viral meme, likened to a “stick of butter” (32:12).

• In Memoriam Segment: The overly dramatic tribute received backlash for its lack of sensitivity and appropriateness (32:22).

Chloe Mao observed, “The New York Post had an article about how they had a picture of him sitting in his seat… [Adrien Brody] checking out the photos of himself from the red carpet” (08:16), highlighting the humorous side of post-event celebrity behavior.

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4. Snubs and Surprises

The 2025 Oscars were not without their share of unexpected outcomes:

• Notable Snubs:

  • Complete Unknown received no nominations, sparking discussions about the disconnect between voter preferences and critical acclaim (22:21).
  • Nosferatu was also overlooked, further illustrating the selective nature of Oscar nominations (22:26).

• Surprising Wins:

  • Anora: Directed by Sean Baker, this film’s success was attributed to its unique storytelling and Baker’s multifaceted role (12:17).
  • Flo, the Animated Film: Despite lacking dialogue and being created with accessible software, Flo garnered attention for its innovative approach (22:54).

Taylor Antrim commented on the evolving nature of Oscar-winning films, observing a shift towards diverse and independent productions (13:08).

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5. Overall Takeaways

The hosts synthesized the night’s events, identifying key trends and future implications:

• Emerging Stars: Mikey Madison was highlighted as a rising red carpet star destined for major contracts, with Cho Min Ody stating, “Mikey Madison is a star to watch” (34:38).

• Hollywood’s Risk Appetite: There was a consensus that while the movies being nominated are increasingly bold and unconventional, the Oscars themselves remained conservative in their approach (25:23). This dichotomy points to a potential shift in future award ceremonies as Hollywood navigates evolving artistic expressions.

• Theater vs. Streaming: The debate between preserving the traditional movie-going experience versus the dominance of streaming platforms was a significant topic. Taylor Antrim expressed interest in seeing how this balance would tilt in the coming years (36:23).

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6. Conclusion

As the episode wrapped up, the editors reflected on the 2025 Oscars as a blend of timeless elegance and unexpected twists. They underscored the importance of emerging talents like Mikey Madison and the need for Hollywood to balance classic Hollywood charm with modern, risk-taking narratives. The conversation concluded on a hopeful note, anticipating an exciting and dynamic year ahead for both the fashion and film industries.

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Notable Quotes:

• Cho Min Ody: “It felt very safe.” (00:52)
• Chloe Mao: “It was like sweetheart neckline, hourglass. Sort of everyone trying out for, like, Little Mermaid prom kind of vibe.” (02:45)
• Taylor Antrim: “No performances or minimal performances next year. Can we talk about the performances?” (19:30)
• Marlee Marius: “I love when men sort of lean into that.” (04:07)
• Cho Min Ody: “I love Cynthia Erivo. I think she went for it, and I thought she looked.” (06:30)

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the rich discussions and insights shared by the Vogue team, offering listeners a detailed overview of the 2025 Oscars' most memorable moments.

Transcript

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

This episode of the run through is brought to you by ebay. I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. Everyone's talking about tassels right now, and that's the moment that I end up typing it into ebay. I found the perfect vintage triple chain belt with golden tassels, and it just looks so elegant, timeless. And it's on the way in the mail to me, thanks to ebay.

[Chloe Mao]

I'm Chloe Mao.

[Cho Min Ody]

And I'm Cho Min Ody. And this is the run through.

[Chloe Mao]

And this week we will be airing daily episodes to close out fashion month. We have a extremely robust, exciting lineup of models. A front row star, a designer we love. Plus, we are ending the week with a recap of Paris fashion week with our new editor of vogue France.

[Cho Min Ody]

So today we're kicking things off with da da da, the Oscars, which is obviously my favorite night of the year. So we're recapping the fashion, the big moments, and what you might have missed from the show last night. And spoiler alert, of course, I wasn't able to watch the show and I.

[Chloe Mao]

Was gonna say Choma's favorite night of the year, and yet.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, I know. I can't. I just. That time difference. I don't even know how you watch it from here. It's quite difficult.

[Taylor Antrim]

Not the easiest thing to watch it from here either, as it turns out.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, yeah. Hulu frittered out.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, totally.

[Chloe Mao]

Wait, wait, I have to introduce.

[Taylor Antrim]

Okay, go ahead.

[Chloe Mao]

Choma is joining us from London, but I am here in New York in our beautifully renovated new studio bright and early with two of our most Oscar coded colleagues. Vogue's features editor Marlee Marius and deputy editor Taylor Antrim.

[Taylor Antrim]

Hello.

[Marlee Marius]

Morning.

[Chloe Mao]

Good morning.

[Taylor Antrim]

Nice to be here.

[Marlee Marius]

Hi, gang.

[Chloe Mao]

All right, so, Choma, start with the fashion. What was the first thing you were like, oof. This is what happened at the Oscars.

[Cho Min Ody]

I. I guess my first impression was that there was this real sense of, like, it was very classic. It was very 1950s. There were lots of dresses that specifically referenced a specific moment in couture history. It was honestly overall quite conservative. And that was my first. That was my first impression that the sort of playful moments seemed to happen at the after parties, which I always do. But I think it was this year. It was a particular, classically Hollywood, you know, old world red carpet. It felt very safe.

[Chloe Mao]

Lot of sequin dresses, Lots of bows. A lot of bows.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah. A lot of strapless, you know, a lot of hourglass.

[Chloe Mao]

It was like sweetheart neckline, hourglass. Sort of everyone trying out for, like, Little Mermaid prom kind of vibe.

[Taylor Antrim]

But this is a bad thing, you think?

[Chloe Mao]

I mean, it's just not exciting. I mean, there were great moments that spoke to old Hollywood glamour or a sort of more conservative carpet. Like Elle Fanning was in Sarah Burton for Givenchy's first haute couture look. And it was a reference to his first couture collection.

[Cho Min Ody]

1952.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah. And that, I mean, Hannah got a great photo from that original dress being worn, and it's from the original presentation. Ivy Nicholson modeling it in 52. And that I thought was a really and beautiful and elegant take on that. A lot of very traditional glam, too. Very strict updos, especially on younger stars like Margaret Qualley and Elle Fanning had these very tight buns. But yes, agree, Choma. I think it was very safe. And then that made the contrast to that feel even sharper. Like, I thought that men really had a good time and leaned into their own style and feeling themselves.

[Taylor Antrim]

Who are we talking about, Timothy?

[Chloe Mao]

Mm. The buttery yellow suit, Margarine dream.

[Taylor Antrim]

Hugely regrettable, I think.

[Chloe Mao]

Really?

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah. Yes.

[Cho Min Ody]

Oh, no.

[Chloe Mao]

We're all a fan. Please say more. Tyler.

[Cho Min Ody]

I liked it.

[Chloe Mao]

Omar Apollo was a lot of our best dressed. He was wearing straight from the Runway, Valentino with a face veil and makeup. He had amazing glam, beautiful. I think Boucheron jewels, like a rising phoenix was one of the jewels. He really. I love when men sort of lean into that. I also thought even less over, you know, dramatique. Like Andrew Garfield was in a brown Gucci tuxedo, and I thought that looked great. Shaking his head.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

And I also thought that it made the drama of the after parties irreverence more striking. Like Julia Fox wearing hair all over her breasts felt like crazy compared to Selena Gomez's great, very tasteful old Hollywood. That contrast was exaggerated by how traditional the red carpet was and then how kooky the after party red carpet was. But Choma, what other. Who else were your best dressed highlights?

[Cho Min Ody]

I mean, it was traditional, but I imagine she was thinking about the fact that, you know, if she won the Oscar, which Mikey Madison, did you kind of want a look that feels classic, that you, you know, you'll be look back on 10, 20 years later. I always reference the Lupita dress because I always feel like that had the same sort of classic feel. It was that powder blue kind of. I guess it was Disney princess style, wasn't it? But it was Prada and it was just so special and almost like, I guess you're thinking about your wedding portrait in the same way. Right. You want a sort of dress that feels like. Oh, you look at it, and it doesn't feel of a time so much. And maybe always casting back to that 1950s kind of golden era of couture is a sort of easy way to mitigate that.

[Chloe Mao]

I completely agree with Choma that that was, like, the classic dress to win an Oscar in. And I just want to say that it was a custom Dior dress based on a 1956 Christian Dior design. And the necklace was this amazing Tiffany necklace from 1900. So it was 100 years older than she is.

[Marlee Marius]

And yet she still looked youthful. She still looked like young girl. She's 25.

[Chloe Mao]

I know.

[Cho Min Ody]

You know, I mean, I love. I love Cynthia Erivo. I think she went for it, and I thought she looked. Actually, she was my best dresser at the after party, too. I think she. I loved her in the Westwood sort of with this trailing white tulle. She has fun with fashion, and she owns it, which I love. I thought Miley Cyrus was kind of the only wild card. Yeah. It's true of the women. I thought she kind of looked rock and roll.

[Chloe Mao]

I thought she looked great. It wasn't my kind of look, but she looked fab. I mean, it was McQueen. She looked fabulous.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

Her little gloves, her little, like, you know, mesh driver.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Yeah.

[Cho Min Ody]

It was like dark romance. You want a bit of, like, dark romance. And it was so, like, it was kind of a way to do red carpet that was sort of had a rock and roll. A little bit more of a. Of a dark edge, which I liked. It definitely stood out.

[Chloe Mao]

And she was with her cute boyfriend that everyone was. Was all upset about. Everybody is about.

[Cho Min Ody]

Has so much hair. Yeah. I mean, going to the Oscars, that is like. That's like a hard launch, isn't it?

[Marlee Marius]

Indeed.

[Taylor Antrim]

Where do you guys come down on Ariana? Ariana Grande.

[Chloe Mao]

I liked Ariana. The Schiaparelli Couture. I thought that was a great ending for her.

[Cho Min Ody]

Me, too. I thought they both, like. They've both really been playful with their fashion. I think they. They've. They've been really committed to it. And I thought. I thought Ariana looked great.

[Marlee Marius]

I mean, I wonder how they're going to do it next season.

[Chloe Mao]

Can you imagine that? We have to do this all over again.

[Marlee Marius]

Honestly, there's not a film.

[Cho Min Ody]

They'll Find a Way, Part two. There'll be a way to weave it in that's different. I'm here for it. Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

The Wicked crew really came out. Michelle Yeoh in Balenciaga was one of my best dressed. And she always has incredible jewels.

[Marlee Marius]

Jeff Goldblum too.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, yes.

[Marlee Marius]

Like fun.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, my God. You see, the New York Post had an article about how they had a picture of him sitting in his seat waiting for the ceremony to start, checking out the photos of himself from the red carpet.

[Marlee Marius]

And it's a concert. Just kidding.

[Chloe Mao]

And his wife was like, huh, huh. Choma. Were there any other vintage or vintage inspired moments that you loved?

[Cho Min Ody]

I'd have to say now I'm thinking about the after party because some of my favorite, I thought Kendall Jenner, she wore a vintage, a true vintage peach, not vintage inspired. A sort of Thierry Mugler, very high neck, very. Another sort of like darkly romantic take on the naked dress. Like full sleeves, high neck. Just like, just like so much drama. And I really loved it. And I think you always want a supermodel moment at the Oscars. I know Anok Yoi went in Marni, which I thought was very cool, like to see Marnie on the Runway. And Marnie had such a great. Their show seemed to be one of the best of the season in Milan and had everyone talking. So Anok to me is like, you know, the supermodel of now. And so cool to see her at the Oscars. But to me, as far as vintage goes, I thought Kendall's was one of my. Was one of my favorite. I also thought that Kya looked pretty good too. I mean, she always looks.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, yeah, that was vintage Valentino. I like that.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, I love that too. And that, that kind of had a sort of softer 1970s glamour, which I think a lot of movie stars sort of neglect that era. And I think Valentino's kind of owns that. But I'd love to see more of that. I just think the 70s was such a glamorous moment.

[Chloe Mao]

Two of my best dress were Emma Stone in this very understated vuitton, sort of 1920s mermaids sequin slip dress with little finger waves in her sort of short hair.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, the hair was so nice.

[Chloe Mao]

The hair was so good. And to me, I really like when people understand the assignment of the difference between a nominee and a presenter. It's like Emma won last year. She was there to present best actress. It wasn't her night. She was also there as a producer of A Real Pain. But it was very much like, I'm an adult and I don't have to be the star of this situation. Raifey Cassidy, I thought looked adorable.

[Cho Min Ody]

I love Her.

[Chloe Mao]

Taylor, who are your best dressed men? Were you inspired by the brooches?

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, I want to hear you talk about Adrien Brody's brooch.

[Chloe Mao]

Okay, so Adrien Brody is on the red carpet. He has this enormous brooch on. And suddenly we get these frantic slacks from our colleague Sam Sussman. Omg. Omg. Halle Berry just kissed Adrien Brody. And we were like, what? In what context? And then we get the video and they really.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, there's a story here, right?

[Chloe Mao]

Well, I know. I'm waiting for you to tell it. Oh, okay, I'm leading up for you. What is the story here?

[Taylor Antrim]

22 years ago or whenever he won for the Pianist, right? Or I guess it was the year after. Help me out, Marlee.

[Marlee Marius]

No, I think it was the year that he came up and accepted the award.

[Taylor Antrim]

Okay. Yes, that's right. The award was presented by Halle Berry, and he came up and received the award. He was the youngest male actor at the time to win the award. And then I guess he planted a big kiss on Halle Berry afterwards and said something like, you will get that in the gift bag or something like that.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah. Really, really struggles in the rewatch, I have to say.

[Taylor Antrim]

So. So she. She said that she's been, like, planning payback for 22 years and finally got him on the right carpet. But there was also a line, so.

[Chloe Mao]

It wasn't surprising to him.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, that's the problem. It was also a line slipped into the news coverage that she said, and Georgina was fine with it. So. So clearly, this is all, you know.

[Chloe Mao]

It might have been that she was fine with it after.

[Marlee Marius]

Got her signed off right after. Like, was that okay with you? How'd that go?

[Taylor Antrim]

Anyway, that was fun. Red carpet moment.

[Chloe Mao]

All right. Other highlights people want to point out.

[Taylor Antrim]

I think Anora winning is, like, Hollywood showing that it knows, like, a fun movie when it sees one.

[Marlee Marius]

You know, I was thinking about this. I was like, what made Anora, like, so popular with this crowd? Because it's, like, kind of in some ways, not a traditional Oscar movie. The way that, like, the list is.

[Chloe Mao]

Or Complete unknown is every peer of my mother who's an Oscar voter, definitely did not. I'm just so confused. Did not see it or didn't do.

[Marlee Marius]

Well in the box office at all.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, okay, so I see it also as part of this, like, you know, the revenge of independent movies or whatever, because, like, you know, from moonlight to Parasite to everywhere all at once, like, this, like, string of, like, smaller independent movies has been winning the Oscars, which, on one Hand you could say is like the, you know, the opera fication of movies. Like, we're only gonna reward these tiny little niche movies that some people in New York and Los Angeles have seen. Like once upon a time we used.

[Chloe Mao]

To give it to huge operas.

[Taylor Antrim]

They're not like opera movie is becoming like oper, I'm sorry.

[Chloe Mao]

Cause Emilia Perez was an opera.

[Taylor Antrim]

Okay, really confused.

[Marlee Marius]

Like.

[Taylor Antrim]

So it's also like movies you can only see in theaters. That's the other thing that seems to be being rewarded by these small, you know, I guess Oppenheimer would be the counter example, like a big, big budget studio movie that won last year. But on the other hand, Honora's like Pretty Woman. You know, it's like a genuinely enjoyable watch. The other thing that I thought was a feel good moment about Anora winning is Sean Baker. Like he wrote that movie, he directed it, he edited it, he cast it.

[Chloe Mao]

Do you know that that is the most Oscars one person has ever won in a night since Walt Disney.

[Marlee Marius]

Stop it.

[Chloe Mao]

Fun Fact and Waltz was for multiple films.

[Cho Min Ody]

I mean, I thought it was good, but I mean, was it that good?

[Marlee Marius]

Sounds kind of my feeling. I was like, this is fun. This is sort of a romp. And then once it sort of like fell away during awards season when Demi was winning everything, I was kind of like, okay. And then it came roaring back with a vengeance to the weekend of like the DJs and the P. It was.

[Chloe Mao]

A really fascinating like late cent of pj.

[Marlee Marius]

All of a sudden it was Sean Bigger everywhere. Mikey Madison winning everything. And then we're like, okay, we have a race.

[Chloe Mao]

It was a surprise race.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah. And then Conclave wins the bafta. So I mean, people were like, oscars is such a boring season this year. And I think the argument for that is that all the movies are good, not great like name like a truly great movie from this year, I think you'd be hard pressed. But on the other hand, there were so many like twists and turns to this like epic award season that they managed to like cook up some surprises last night, which I was delighted by.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah. Okay, we are going to take a quick break and when we come back, our favorite winners and snubs.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

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[Chloe Mao]

I want to talk about, because Lyle Ramsey does a great job of finding the best photos from inside the Oscars and people sort of gossiping and giggling and talking to each other. And I thought that. I loved seeing all the couples together. Kylie Jenner never walks the red carpet with Timmy, but she was wearing this sort of odd, like, caged custom Miu Miu dress, and they were, you know, snuggling. And Benny Blanco and Selena Gomez, I'm extremely here for.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

They're so cute.

[Chloe Mao]

They're so charming. And she was showing off her engagement ring. I thought they were a very cute, cuddly couple.

[Taylor Antrim]

I thought she was the best thing about Amelia Perez. And, you know, I'm a fan of Zoe Salvagna. What do you guys think of Zoe Saldania? You haven't mentioned her tonight.

[Cho Min Ody]

She just looks good, I thought. I like. Yeah. I mean, I thought her after party look was more, I mean, of the Santa Ron looks. That really got my attention, I have to say. It was a very cheeky Zoe Kravitz. Who she. She looks incredible.

[Taylor Antrim]

There was some frantic Googling of Zoe Saldana's husband after she won the award.

[Cho Min Ody]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, everyone joined in. Everyone joined in. This mysterious Italian with long hair, and they have, like, four kids. Three kids.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah. I've been on her Instagram, so I've.

[Marlee Marius]

They're also really cute.

[Cho Min Ody]

They're so adorable. They're such a sweet family.

[Marlee Marius]

Never heard this man speak, though. Haven't really sought that out, to be honest. No, I don't really try.

[Cho Min Ody]

No. But they seem to have been together for a long time.

[Taylor Antrim]

Nowhere can you find him.

[Cho Min Ody]

Speak.

[Marlee Marius]

I'm, like, not into that.

[Taylor Antrim]

Anyway, actually, what do we think of Karen Culkin's speech?

[Cho Min Ody]

Tell me about it. What was it? I didn't catch it.

[Taylor Antrim]

He actually landed the story quite well. But he told a story about how after, I guess it was the Emmys. He won the Emmys in 2024, and he sort of put his wife, whose name is Jazz on the spot about having more kids.

[Chloe Mao]

They have two, he said three a year ago.

[Taylor Antrim]

And she said, talk to me when you win an Oscar.

[Chloe Mao]

Basically, like, if you win an Oscar, I'll give you four.

[Taylor Antrim]

Right. But they have. From the Oscar stage, they have a.

[Chloe Mao]

Lot of work to do.

[Taylor Antrim]

He was Suggesting they go from two to four.

[Chloe Mao]

That's right. It's twins or bust.

[Taylor Antrim]

I thought it was a little. I thought it was a little, you know, sort of discomforting that moment.

[Marlee Marius]

No, I'll agree. I mean, he's so delightful.

[Taylor Antrim]

Love him.

[Marlee Marius]

But I'm also like. Enough.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah.

[Marlee Marius]

Enough.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah, it was a little. Kieran goes a long way.

[Marlee Marius]

So true.

[Taylor Antrim]

Okay.

[Chloe Mao]

Talk about Conan Taylor. You were delighted.

[Taylor Antrim]

I thought Conan was great. I think this is the year of professionalism from. From award show hosts.

[Marlee Marius]

Indeed. Okay, this is true.

[Taylor Antrim]

We had Nikki Glaser. She killed it at the Golden Globe.

[Chloe Mao]

I thought you were just gonna say, like, the year of professionalism, period.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah, I'm here for professionalism.

[Taylor Antrim]

I'm here for professionalism in general. No, but Conan, like, he knows what he's doing.

[Chloe Mao]

Well, duh.

[Taylor Antrim]

He's been doing this for a long time. That's why they picked him. And he really killed it. I thought he was goofy, but, like, genuinely funny.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah. And he was so high energy, which I realized we need in a ceremony that long. Like, someone who, like, is excited to be there.

[Chloe Mao]

Marley was concerned about him blowing out his arm.

[Marlee Marius]

He was screaming. He was absolutely screaming all night long. I was like, please calm down. But also, this is helpful. We're tired, but, like, he's kind of keeping our heart rates up a little bit.

[Chloe Mao]

I love Conan. I'm always charmed by just the extent of Conan's height during the firefighter tribute.

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe Mao]

He made these firefighters look like Lilliputians. And we know they're not Lilliputians.

[Marlee Marius]

Got it. I got it, got it, got it, got it. Love to learn vocab Christmas morning.

[Cho Min Ody]

I know. Girl of us travels.

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, there you go.

[Taylor Antrim]

Can I make a humble criticism of the Oscars?

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, this should be good.

[Marlee Marius]

Please.

[Taylor Antrim]

No performances or minimal performances next year. Can we talk about the performances?

[Marlee Marius]

Let's talk about the crisis of best original song. The crisis in that category.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, my God.

[Marlee Marius]

Remember when movies just make good movies? Good music. Remember when, like.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, no, not really. You came up with the only good example from the last 25 years, which is when Eminem won for Lose Yourself.

[Marlee Marius]

Okay, that's the problem. It's. The last 25 years has been a problem before that. My God, the bangers. The bangers are not in that category. Let me read them.

[Chloe Mao]

I honestly have to read it.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, my God. The archivist in Marlee. Various comes out. No, honestly, Elvis Lack. She was like. She was like, remember when we make good music? Like, lose Yourself. I was like, yeah, yeah. And then I look up the list, and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no.

[Marlee Marius]

The Donna Summers song Last Dance came from a movie. Evergreen. The Way We Were Take my breath away.

[Chloe Mao]

Thank you.

[Marlee Marius]

Thank you. My heart will go wrong.

[Cho Min Ody]

Come on.

[Marlee Marius]

I'm like, what happened here?

[Taylor Antrim]

I was pleased not to have another I'm Ken or whatever that song was performance, but we had so many others. We had, like a. We had, like, a James Bond hour.

[Chloe Mao]

For some reason, James Bond hour was confusing.

[Cho Min Ody]

Can somebody explain the James Bond Good question.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, there's this big sale of the Broccoli family. Sold the rights to James Bond to Amazon. But I couldn't tell how that was playing. Cause you had the very funny Conan Amazon jokes about the box being dropped off and then stolen. You know, and then there was this, like, you know, tribute to Bond. And so I wondered if they were trying to, like, you know, say, okay, guys, now's the time to memorialize Bond, because it won't be good again. Or it also could play as, like, a free ad for Amazon Bond theme.

[Chloe Mao]

That's what it felt like.

[Marlee Marius]

And it did not feel entirely successful, although I was like, ray could do a Bond theme tomorrow. Like, that's so her vibe.

[Taylor Antrim]

She played cleanup in the worst trio of Bond singers.

[Marlee Marius]

I know.

[Taylor Antrim]

I mean, love Doja Cat when she's doing the Moo song or whatever, but, like, not Diamonds Are Forever.

[Chloe Mao]

Speaking of best song, Emilia Perez won, and it was these three French people. And then they started singing the song.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, that was.

[Chloe Mao]

That was a tough moment.

[Marlee Marius]

Choma was melting.

[Chloe Mao]

Shoma people were in our slack chat, were losing their minds.

[Taylor Antrim]

There was just an eruption. It was really unifying moment. Everybody at once was like, no, this shall not stand.

[Chloe Mao]

Because it was. It was just three French people just standing up there, going, in, Amelia, Amelia.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

It was horrifying.

[Taylor Antrim]

Bring back the translator for odr. Remember that?

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, my God, I love the translator for odr. But, yeah, Amelie Perez. After all of their controversy, they had the most nominations, and they won Best original Song. Zoe Saldana won. And then what were other huge shockers?

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, the snubs has to be the Dylan movie first and foremost.

[Chloe Mao]

Did Complete Unknown get anything?

[Taylor Antrim]

They got nothing.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

And then less of a snub because it wasn't nominated for that much. But Nosferatu got nothing, too, right?

[Chloe Mao]

Ugh, the rats. Best animal. I know Rats of Nosferatu. Liam Hess wrote an exquisite article about the unoverlooked animals of the Oscars.

[Marlee Marius]

So good. The turtle in conclave. Like, there are lots of stuff all the animals in flow. It was so good.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, shut up, Flo. Flo is getting seen now because it's on max streaming.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, that's how I should watch it.

[Marlee Marius]

It's like a beautiful 90 minutes. Like, nothing gorgeous.

[Taylor Antrim]

Flo is amazing.

[Chloe Mao]

Shoma Flo is the animated film where it's only animal sounds.

[Taylor Antrim]

There's no dialogue.

[Cho Min Ody]

I think I'll pass.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, no, it's so good. My kids were like that too. My kids were like, no dialogue. Thumbs down, dad. But this movie was made with like free software. Anyone can download and has no dialogue and is just J. Genius. So good. Do you guys feel for Tibetay at all? Not to bring it around back to his buttercolored suit. And he was all suited up and ready to go and ready to win. Yeah, he did that one.

[Cho Min Ody]

He's got. He's got years to catch up.

[Marlee Marius]

We'll see.

[Cho Min Ody]

He'll win an Oscar. He'll win an Oscar.

[Marlee Marius]

This is already a second nomination.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, my God, the crazy.

[Taylor Antrim]

Everyone's a game. We just call him Ralph. Remember that from Conan?

[Marlee Marius]

Also, like when people were like talking to anonymous Oscar voters and they were like, we're not voting for Rafe because he won already, but he has in fact never won. This is third nomination. He's never won. The crisis of competence is what was happen there. Like, people were like, he got one surely for Schindler's List. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. And they voted for Adrian Brody instead, who had won for the penis. It's messed up. People don't devastating these fake ciles. Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I love the brutalist and I like him. Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

The speech was.

[Cho Min Ody]

What do we think of his. Yeah, what do we think of the speech?

[Marlee Marius]

The YouTube video is six minutes long. Okay, six minutes long. It is way too long.

[Chloe Mao]

Telling the music to pipe down because he'd been here before was a lot for me.

[Taylor Antrim]

And what about the gum?

[Chloe Mao]

I missed that part everyone was talking about.

[Cho Min Ody]

I didn't see it either.

[Taylor Antrim]

He's slowly making his way to the stage and I mean, thanking everybody along the way. And then when he is breaking free of the crowd and headed to the podium, he remembers that he has gum in his mouth and tosses it to Georgina.

[Marlee Marius]

Wait, like, spits it out.

[Taylor Antrim]

I didn't see the spit out, but that was what I saw. Something through the air and I'm told it was gum.

[Chloe Mao]

What if she hadn't caught it?

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, my. End up in her hair.

[Chloe Mao]

What if it landed in Mikey's hair?

[Taylor Antrim]

I Thought the move was to swallow it at that moment, but, you know, I haven't chewed gum in 25 years, so I don't.

[Marlee Marius]

Then if you chose to chew gum.

[Taylor Antrim]

Before your category, don't chew gum, period.

[Marlee Marius]

So true. So true.

[Taylor Antrim]

Sorry. What did we think of the speech? It was fine.

[Marlee Marius]

It was.

[Taylor Antrim]

It was too long. It was fine.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah. It's nice how seriously he takes his craft and how seriously he takes this whole campaign. Like, he had a lot to say. He had a lot to say.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, there was like a sobriety and a seriousness to the evening without it ever being sort of political or in your face. Which makes me think of where we started when you guys were talking about the conservatism of the fashion. I do think that Hollywood is caught in this kind of like, play it safe, you know, play by our playbook, like, here's what we know to do kind of moment, which is interesting cause the movies are. Movies are pretty unusual and modern. Feeling like anora, the brutalists, the substance. These are definitely risk taking movies. But you guys are right that Hollywood does not seem to be in a risk taking moment. So I'm sort of interested to see sort of what happens from here. Like, what the coming year is gonna be like.

[Chloe Mao]

Okay, so the biggest maybe of the night was best actress.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mao]

Set the scene, Taylor.

[Taylor Antrim]

Well, I cannot set the scene because I was watching On Hul.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, no.

[Taylor Antrim]

Let me just do 10 seconds on the fact that streaming, which is like taking over Hollywood, is apparently on its knees. It can't even figure out how to do a live show. So my Hulu feed cut out right before the envelope was out.

[Marlee Marius]

What time was that? Do you know?

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, my God. It was like one in the morning. I was so late. So what'd you guys think? I missed it. I mean, I saw it on social and on slack channels, but I just.

[Chloe Mao]

I think Demi really ran an exquisite campaign and like, kudos to her team because they made that work every step of the way from what she was wearing to I thought the way that she. Her speech. Which was it? Golden Globes. Where was her speech about? Popcorn, actors.

[Marlee Marius]

Golden Globes.

[Chloe Mao]

Golden Globes.

[Marlee Marius]

She's given such good speeches.

[Chloe Mao]

She's given such good speeches. It was really felt like, oh, this could be Demi's moment.

[Taylor Antrim]

Imagine the speech she was gonna give last night.

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, man. Well, the great thing is that hopefully this, like, producers will kind of see her in a different way. Producers, directors will kind of like give her different kinds of work than she's been doing. Like, I think her career's gonna be there.

[Chloe Mao]

But, Taylor, I was interested in your cancel out theory.

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah, I think it's totally plausible that sort of the older voter set was split between Fernanda Torres and Demi Moore. And, you know, I think it's sort of the uprising of younger Oscar voters that we're. I mean, you know, Mikey Madison is all of 25 years old, I think. And as we were saying earlier, like Oscars do, they do love an ingenue. So I think it's sort of played by the playbook. And listen, I really like that movie. And I thought that performance was totally committed for Mikey Madison. It was a real something.

[Chloe Mao]

So I thought her speech was really lovely. Also, I loved her redheaded twin brother who she was there with.

[Marlee Marius]

So cute.

[Chloe Mao]

Obsessed with him now. Cute.

[Marlee Marius]

I do wonder what she'll do next. Like, will she, like, be subjected to the Oscar chorus? That sometimes happen when you're, like, anointed pretty early in your career and then you, like, don't really do something like.

[Chloe Mao]

The orson Welles of 2025.

[Marlee Marius]

I sadly think, of course, like, Lupita Nyong's done, like, a lot of amazing things, but she is the person who always comes to mind where she had this, like, gorgeous moment and then it was kind of, like, quiet for a bit after that. You know what I mean?

[Taylor Antrim]

Right.

[Chloe Mao]

More of our favorite Oscar moments after a quick break. Any other speeches we want to dissect.

[Taylor Antrim]

No Other Land, which won best Documentary feature last night, which is a film set in the west bank, made by a Jewish filmmaker and a Palestinian sort of of who's the subject of the film. Right. So it was sort of a collaboration between Israeli and Palestinians, and it does not have US Distribution. So it's a self release film. It's playing on, like, you know, films, which is wild and I think people are a little afraid of it. So it got a huge boost last night and was one of the few, like, explicitly political moments from the stage, you know, so that was notable.

[Chloe Mao]

Got a standing ovation.

[Cho Min Ody]

I think it added humanity to the night in a way, in a really. I thought the speech to me wasn't. It was just more about, you know, I don't know. I thought it was really well done and came from such a real place. And I think it's a very difficult topic to talk about, especially in the U.S. but their story really stood out to me. And the way the director talked about the sort of need for peace was. Yeah. And so I found it really moving.

[Chloe Mao]

Well. And thank God it was the two of them. Talking about it rather than some Hollywood dodo pretending to know what they're talking about.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, exactly. I think it just had to be, didn't it? It was like it was the only way to address it in a way that felt, like, appropriate and meaningful and I don't know.

[Chloe Mao]

Speaking of meaningful, how did people feel? Marley looks terrified.

[Cho Min Ody]

Uh oh.

[Chloe Mao]

How did people feel about what Emma Spector called toxic positivity?

[Marlee Marius]

Oh.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, my gosh. They did that last year too, where the presenter has to, like. Or an array of presenters has to, like, you know, compliment each nominee to their face. Yeah, I find it so cringe.

[Marlee Marius]

Robert Downey Jr. Did a good job of it. I thought that's pretty cool because he.

[Taylor Antrim]

Seemed to know all the guys, right? Yeah, but it was. Who was it?

[Marlee Marius]

Devine? Joy Randolph?

[Taylor Antrim]

Yeah.

[Marlee Marius]

I mean, she won Best Supporting Actress last year for the Holdovers, and so she presented Best Supporting Actress also this year. And in presenting the nominees, she kind of, like, took a moment to, like, wax poetic about each person. I made this joke last night, but I was like, Isabella Roselyn did not know who this woman was. Like, she was like, thank you so much for appreciating my work, you absolute stranger. So she was like, having to do the very complicated thing of both, like, reading off a prompter and like, trying to, like, have an intimate with people who are standing, who are sitting like 30ft away from her. Surely, like, it's very awkward as we're all talking about it. Last night we were like, this thing of, like, this overly sincere, overly intimate, but also kind of false kind of note that's being struck here was, like, a little bit painful. It was much better. And they were just showing clips. Like, before Best Actor, it was just clips. Cillian Murphy was like, I'm not doing that. Cillian Murphy's like, please get me out of here.

[Chloe Mao]

I haven't been seen outside of my Irish area.

[Marlee Marius]

He's like, I can hear by force. Are you not making me do that?

[Taylor Antrim]

Cillian Murphy just oozes his dignity.

[Marlee Marius]

We love him, of course.

[Chloe Mao]

So well dressed, always perfect tailoring his little bangs.

[Marlee Marius]

Great.

[Cho Min Ody]

So what were the social media moments that stuck out to you? I wasn't sure if. Have there been any memes that I've missed?

[Marlee Marius]

A lot of Timmy memes. A lot of, like, people comparing them to sticks of butter to ensure to, like, the man in the yellow hat from the Curious Chores.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, that's good.

[Marlee Marius]

Was one of my favorites.

[Taylor Antrim]

That's so good.

[Marlee Marius]

People also complained about the In Memoriam Segment, like, using motif starts Locrimosa and, like, feeling, like, too dramatic, like, too sad.

[Chloe Mao]

It was so too dramatic.

[Marlee Marius]

I agree. I was like, considering that this is. Anyone out there loves the Sherman Brothers, loves their work in Mary Poppins. I'm like, we could have done Feed the Birds in that segment. Like, we had an amazing composer die in the last year. He did the music in Snoopy Come Home. There are some gorgeous numbers on that.

[Cho Min Ody]

About me. Wow. I'm learning more about you.

[Marlee Marius]

I like Mozart as Moza's next girl. It just didn't feel like the time.

[Taylor Antrim]

I was like, don't get me wrong. Big fan.

[Marlee Marius]

Big fan of his work.

[Chloe Mao]

More of a Peanuts gal.

[Taylor Antrim]

That was a star studded in memoriam, though.

[Chloe Mao]

I mean, Goldie Hawn and Andrew Garfield. What was funny to me about that? They were presenters. Andrew Garfield has been very open and.

[Marlee Marius]

He has talked about it exceptionally. He's talked about his context, his grief.

[Chloe Mao]

And processing and this. He came on stage with Goldie Hawn to present something that I forget and was like, goldie, you know who always made my mother smile? My mother. And it was this, like, long story. And all I could think about was, say that again.

[Taylor Antrim]

You didn't get that right.

[Marlee Marius]

You know who always made my mother smile? Goldie Hawn.

[Chloe Mao]

Yeah.

[Taylor Antrim]

No, do it again. You were really close. You were on a rot roll.

[Chloe Mao]

But he was like, Goldie holding her hand while he's looking at her telling her this on the stage of the Oscars. You know who always made my mother smile? Goldie Hawn. And it's like this sort of long story. And I just kept thinking about them having to do this rehearsal, like, three times the day before.

[Taylor Antrim]

I mean, Goldie looked like it was sort of a blink twice, save me kind of moment, because the Andrew Garfield death grip on her hand throughout the entire thing. If you watch. I can't remember who they were announcing awards for either.

[Chloe Mao]

Best animation Flo.

[Taylor Antrim]

So there were two awards.

[Marlee Marius]

Oh, right.

[Taylor Antrim]

And by the end of the short animation acceptance speech, I looked, he's still holding her hand.

[Marlee Marius]

The people online were like, Baby Girl remake. When clip these two, we'll do them in a conference room. I love Goldie.

[Chloe Mao]

Okay, now that we are finally closing out what has felt like a very long awards season, what would you say are the biggest takeaways? Choma go.

[Cho Min Ody]

Oh, Mikey. Madison is a star to watch. Is a star of the future. She's a red carpet star. She needs a. She needs a house to snap her up immediately.

[Chloe Mao]

Oh, that's an interesting point. That I think we have been talking about with the team, which is like, Mikey was so perfectly poised fashion wise for this awards season because she was new enough that no major fashion house has gotten her on contract yet, so she could really play with all the different brands. And she did that. Her stylist, Jaime Misraw, he really tapped all the different houses throughout the season. And I don't think we'll see that with her again because it's gonna be like Emma Stone's gonna be locked down.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, she's gonna be locked down soon. But I'm just curious to see who will get her hand.

[Chloe Mao]

What's your guess? Is she gonna be a blase Betty?

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Mm.

[Cho Min Ody]

I mean, it could be. You know, I mean, she wore one.

[Chloe Mao]

One of her first dresses.

[Cho Min Ody]

Was one of his like. Yeah. The sort of final collection that he did? Yeah. Or yeah, I guess it was a final collection that he did. Well, you see, I mean, it's a real house of cards. Everything's moving around. Like, in the next year, hopefully she'll wait for these new, you know, creative directorships to be announced or for them to at least start, because mature doesn't really start till October. So I think there's all, you know, it gives her time.

[Chloe Mao]

And she probably needs a nap anyway.

[Marlee Marius]

Rush into it.

[Cho Min Ody]

He needs a nap.

[Marlee Marius]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Cho Min Ody]

Yeah, exactly. She probably needs a nap. Yeah. As far as, like, red carpet stars, I think she stood out to me this season. She was like the IO Di Beery of last season.

[Taylor Antrim]

Oh, good call.

[Marlee Marius]

Totally.

[Taylor Antrim]

You know what I'm curious to see is in the coming year, is the theater going experience gonna come back at all? Like, there was a lot of pitched sides on that sort of war. Last night you have Sean Baker making an impassioned plea, winning all these Oscars, saying we really need to protect the moviegoing experience.

[Marlee Marius]

And there was a bit about that.

[Taylor Antrim]

Conan did. Conan did a bit about it. And Anora, which is not on streaming, distributed by neon, only made $6 million in movie theaters. So it's really a mixed picture. And streaming is doing so well. People are watching movies at home. So I'm really interested.

[Chloe Mao]

I love going to. I've gone through this weird cyclical phase where it was Covid and new children. And so I just didn't go to the movies for.

[Taylor Antrim]

You're going back to many years.

[Chloe Mao]

Many years. And now I'm going with my kids, so I'm going to kids movies. But what I noticed, Artie and I went to see Walls and Gromit, and there were 30 minutes of ads.

[Taylor Antrim]

Right.

[Chloe Mao]

And I'm sorry, let me tell you, a 4 year old and a 39 year old were not happy about wading through that. But I love being in the movie theater. It's such a great experience to do, like to share with your kids. And it's so fun to see the transformative power of doing that. Like, Artie's completely locked in in a way that you're not at home. It's just different.

[Cho Min Ody]

I have to say, going to the movie was my most, the most fun thing I did in 2024. I just loved going to the movies.

[Chloe Mao]

Interesting.

[Cho Min Ody]

Back to the movies. I loved it.

[Marlee Marius]

This is so random, but I've so loved Jesse Eisenberg being on the campaign trial. He's given like so many like charming, delightful, little like self deprecating. It was like hitting me right where I live.

[Chloe Mao]

What did he say last night that made us laugh so much? Or it was like, how does it feel to be? Or did you ever expect to be on this red carpet? But he's like, I never expect to be in any room.

[Marlee Marius]

I never expect to be anywhere at any time. Like, incredible stuff. Yeah. I feel like just people were like giving very fun, crazy campaigns, including Timmy.

[Chloe Mao]

Actually, like, oh my God, the craziest.

[Marlee Marius]

The way that things went with a complaint unknown is kind of neither here nor there. But he was giving drama, he was giving like excitement. He was giving chaos.

[Chloe Mao]

That's true. In terms of like star power and star dynamics. A complaint unknown had it all. It had Timmy, who is like the charismatic megafauna going nutso on tour, and people were all eyes on it. Then it had Elle Fanning, who's the ingenue. But the seasoned ingenue cannot not nail fashion. Like there is never an off moment for her fashion.

[Taylor Antrim]

That movie was like machine built for awards season. I would argue it was off.

[Chloe Mao]

And then there was the Monica Barbara. Monica Barbara, who was supposed to be sort of the up and coming ingenue.

[Taylor Antrim]

But so my argument would be that that was a movie machine built for awards season like a decade ago, that older Oscar voters love a movie like a complete unknown. And I think the body of voters is changing and I think they're becoming younger, more international, much more sort of like modern in the way they're choosing movies. It's been like a cool slate of movies that have won best picture. I mean, I'm old enough to remember when like Crash won. And I was like, oh my God, people, what are we doing? Or green book. There have been some real dogs that have won best picture and, you know, we've had a pretty good run.

[Chloe Mao]

Chill with the dog. It's dope to you. Yeah, right. It's real dope. That's it for the Run Through. See you tomorrow, everyone.

[Cho Min Ody]

Bye.

[Chloe Mao]

The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Joanna Solotarov. It's engineered by Jake Loomis and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Stephanie Karaoke is our executive producer and Chris Bannon is Condoning head of Global audio.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

The other day, I, like, went on a real ebay spree. There's this huge push for, like, 80s opulence and 80s sort of glamour, and we're going to see that returning. And so I was already kind of tapped into that just from my gorgeous ebay watch list. And I found a really beautiful Chloe blazer from the 80s and a really great Miu Miu kilt, these great Dior boots. And I'm combining them all together. Sometimes trend forecasting doesn't require something that's gonna be, like, produced in the future. Sometimes you can, like, tap into the past and tap into the archive as well. That's what makes ebay a fun place to actually discover things, because you're not going in with something so specific in mind, but you have an idea of what you're interested in or what you're excited about or, you know, just truly trend forecasting. And so one thing that I would say people should be watching out for is, like, very opulent 80s style.

[Marlee Marius]

From PRX.