Mike Tyson: How To Overcome Your Ego To Stop Suffering In Silence & Sabotaging Your Relationships

Summary

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Episode: Mike Tyson: How To Overcome Your Ego To Stop Suffering In Silence & Sabotaging Your Relationships

Introduction

In this compelling episode of The School of Greatness, host Lewis Howes engages in a profound conversation with boxing legend Mike Tyson. The discussion delves deep into Tyson's personal journey of overcoming ego, healing from past traumas, and transforming his relationships. Through candid revelations and insightful exchanges, listeners gain a unique perspective on Tyson's path to inner peace and greatness.

Early Struggles and the Mask of Masculinity

Mike Tyson opens up about his tumultuous childhood and the coping mechanisms he developed to handle bullying and insecurity. He explains how he adopted a tough persona to gain respect and protect himself, stating:

"Had to be the tough guy because everybody... respected a tough guy." (06:30)

Tyson reflects on how this "mask" not only helped him achieve success in boxing and the NFL but also led to a sense of internal imprisonment and unfulfillment despite external victories.

The Breaking Point: Loss of Respect and Personal Tragedy

A pivotal moment in Tyson's life occurred when he felt he was losing the respect of his children, pushing him to reevaluate his life choices. He shares the emotional toll this had on him:

"If I didn't change, I couldn't have a family. Like my kids wouldn't respect me." (07:53)

Further deepening his struggle, Tyson recounts the tragic loss of his four-year-old daughter, a heartbreaking event that left him devastated and searching for meaning:

"I lost my four-year-old daughter... she accidentally killed herself." (08:59)

Journey Towards Healing and Reinvention

Determined to mend his relationships and find inner peace, Tyson discusses the challenges of shedding his hard-edged persona. He emphasizes the importance of consistency, gratitude, and being present:

"You gotta be consistent. Be consistent. Consistent." (39:48)

Tyson credits his wife for supporting him through this transformation, encouraging him to focus on becoming a good man rather than just a great one.

Confronting the Ego and Embracing Vulnerability

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the dangers of an unchecked ego. Tyson illustrates how ego-driven behavior led to personal and professional setbacks, including financial ruin and estrangement from loved ones:

"The ego gave me everything I ever wanted and more, but it took so much more in return." (29:53)

He shares his profound experiences with transformative practices, such as taking ancient medicines that altered his perception and helped him understand the interconnectedness of all things.

Philosophical Insights and Legacy

Tyson delves into existential questions about life, death, and legacy. He reflects on the transient nature of fame and material success, advocating for a life centered around love, kindness, and service:

"The conduct of one of us is the fate of all of us." (31:56)

He discusses the importance of personal responsibility and how individual actions can impact the broader community.

Embracing Love and Building Meaningful Relationships

Transitioning from his ego-centric past, Tyson underscores the value of genuine relationships and emotional intelligence. He offers practical advice for maintaining healthy relationships, such as effective communication and not taking things personally:

"Always communicate. Everything okay, baby? Sure, nothing’s on your mind?" (40:42)

Tyson shares his personal growth in recognizing that love and respect within a family are paramount, moving away from his previous need to dominate and control.

Overcoming Self-Doubt and Pursuing Greatness

Towards the end of the interview, Tyson and Howes discuss the role of self-doubt in hindering personal success. Tyson emphasizes the necessity of self-belief and the courage to embrace one's true self without the constraints of societal expectations:

"People are so fragile. Life is hard to live... fear keeps us alive." (75:17)

Conclusion: Redefining Greatness

Mike Tyson's heartfelt narrative offers listeners an inspiring blueprint for overcoming ego, embracing vulnerability, and fostering meaningful relationships. His transformation from a feared athlete to a reflective and compassionate individual serves as a testament to the power of self-awareness and personal growth.

Notable Quotes

• Mike Tyson: "The conduct of one of us is the fate of all of us." (31:56)
• Mike Tyson: "I want to be a good man... Being a good man... is worth more than being a great man." (67:05)
• Mike Tyson: "Life prepares you for everything. Prepares you for doing 100 years in jail... prepares you for death." (22:25)
• Mike Tyson: "I don't love myself. I can't let them love me." (34:27)
• Mike Tyson: "Life is an illusion... fear keeps us alive." (75:17)

Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a profound exploration of Mike Tyson's inner world, showcasing his vulnerabilities and the wisdom he's gained through overcoming immense personal challenges. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own lives, confront their egos, and seek authentic connections to unlock their inner greatness.

Transcript

[Lewis Howes]

Hey, everyone, welcome back to a very special episode of the School of Greatness. What you're about to experience right now is actually an interview I did with the legendary sports icon Mike Tyson. And he's got a big fight that he's got coming up with Jake Paul.

[Evan Britton]

And one of the things that I.

[Lewis Howes]

Thought was interesting was revisiting this interview. I actually went on Mike's show.

[Evan Britton]

It's called Hot Boxing.

[Lewis Howes]

So this is an interview that I went on his show, but like I tend to do in most situations, I turned the interview around and started diving deep in asking him questions about his mindset, about his legacy, about how he's reinvented himself after boxing business and all these different things. So I wanted you to dive in deep around the mindset of Mike Tyson, how he thinks, how he started to actually heal some parts of the things in his life that were causing suffering and pain. He talks about transitioning and transforming into a new identity, into a new man. And I'm excited to see what Mike continues to do with his life moving forward. This was actually an interesting test for me. I've never been drunk or high in my life and the entire time they were smoking marijuana in this kind of contained room. So it was actually an interesting test for me to see if I could be present while this was happening on his show, Hot Boxing. So without further ado, let's dive into this interview with the one and only Mike Tyson. Here's a question for you. Have you ever tried telling a funny joke to someone and it just doesn't land? They either didn't hear it right and you have to repeat it, or they just didn't understand it and then you have to explain the joke and then it's not funny anymore. Not every joke delivers, but Harry's always delivers. They send the best quality razors right to your door for a fraction of the price of the big brands. A smooth shave shouldn't be rough on your wallet. The starter set is a 1313 value for just $3 at Harry's.com greatness. It includes a five blade German engineered razor, weighted handle, foaming shave gel and a travel cover. Plus Harry's has customizable delivery options for scheduled refills as low as $2, half what you pay. For other big brands trying Harry's is a total no brainer. They've got the highest customer satisfaction in the shaving industry and a convenient subscription option that you can cancel at any time. I use a razor and cream from Harry's and it's incredible how great a shave I get every time. I love how the shave cream feels on my face. There's eucalyptus and mint essential oils in there to refresh and cool your face and aloe vera to suit it. And the razor glides easily and gets a nice close shave. It's a 10 out of 10. Get the shaving products that always deliver Get Harry's get started with a $13 trial set for just $3@Harry's.com greatness. That's Harry's.com greatness for a $3 trial set. The School of Greatness is sponsored by Capital One. Capital One credit card holders can easily track, block or cancel recurring charges right from the Capital One mobile app at no additional cost. With one sign in, you can manage all your subscriptions all in one place. Learn more at CapitalOne.comscriptions Terms and Conditions apply. What does the future hold for business? Ask nine experts and you'll get 10 answers. Bull market Bear market rates will rise or fall. Can someone please find a way to predict the future? Until then, over 40,000 businesses have future proofed their business with NetSuite by Oracle, the number one cloud ERP bringing accounting, financial management, inventory and HR into one fluid platform with one unified business management suite. There's one source of truth giving you the visibility and control you need to make quick decisions. With real time insights and forecasting, you're peering into the future with actionable data. When you're closing the books in days, not weeks, you're spending less time looking backward and more time on what's next. Whether your company is earning millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you respond to immediate challenges and seize your biggest opportunities. Speaking of opportunity, download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning at netsuite.com greatness. The guide is free to you at netsuite.com greatness. That's netsuite.com greatness.

[Evan Britton]

What do you understand about the world? What do you understand about it? And what would you say to your 20 year old self that just is about to win the title?

[Mike Tyson]

I was thinking about the world now that I'm one with everything. That we all we're involved with everything. I'm involved with the I'm involved with the bug. I'm involved with the ants, the butterflies, the cats, the dogs. I'm one with everything. The cars, smoke, everything. I'm one with it all.

[Unknown]

Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode of Hot Boxing. I'm Evan Britton.

[Mike Tyson]

And I'm Mike Tyson.

[Unknown]

Dude, we got a great guest today we got a guest who I'm a big fan of. I heard this guy on a podcast a couple years ago, I think, and his name's Lewis Howes. Great to have you here, brother.

[Evan Britton]

What's up, Louie? Thank you.

[Unknown]

What do you call yourself? Are you. You're sort of like this new age philosopher. You're a young great thinker.

[Mike Tyson]

I appreciate you, brother.

[Unknown]

Yes. He's written a book. Sorry, let me give you a little more intro. He's written a book. New York Times bestselling author. This book in particular that's on my mind, which is very pertinent to our show, is called the Mask of Masculinity.

[Mike Tyson]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And I think we got a lot to talk about there.

[Mike Tyson]

It was. It was the. A European, I think he was not a philosopher, but I think a therapist. And he did the same thing with the Mask of Sanity. He forgot his name, but it was about everyday people. We're not who we appear to be.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah, we put on masks. We put on this projection to try to fit in or try to make people like us or try to please people or win people over. And we were just talking about this. Before that, you played in the NFL for a number of years and you had an identity, a mask that you wore to fit in, to be that player. Right. To play the role of lineman, big tough guy, whatever it may be, you.

[Mike Tyson]

Had to be the tough guy because everybody, I don't care who was the gangster, they respected a tough guy.

[Evan Britton]

That's it. That was your life growing up. They respected you because you didn't back down from them.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, I was bullied when I was a kid and I said, wow, if I was like these guys that were bullying me, nobody would with me. Right.

[Evan Britton]

And you became the ultimate bully of the world by destroying everyone. And here's the thing, these masks that men wear, they serve a purpose because it helps us get a result in our life. You know, I wore the athlete mask, which was, I will do whatever it takes to win at all costs. I will fricking destroy people on the field. I will train my butt off, I'll hurt myself, I won't sleep, I'll frickin do whatever to get bigger, faster, stronger at all costs so that I can achieve my goal. And here's the crazy thing, these masks work because you were in the NFL. You became the ultimate bully and were the greatest fighter of all time. But here's what doesn't work. We are left with this sense of like this prison inside, right? We might achieve success on the Outside. But then we are prisoners and we are unfulfilled on the inside. And we don't know what inner peace is. So the masks hold us back from inner peace and we take that out.

[Mike Tyson]

On my love when the people close everyone, our family, our children, everyone, everyone.

[Evan Britton]

Suffers around us when we wear masks.

[Mike Tyson]

Absolutely.

[Evan Britton]

So, yeah. So that's why I wrote the book. Because I was. I was achieving at every level. I was making millions. I was, you know, playing professional football. I was accomplishing things, but I was suffering inside.

[Mike Tyson]

I knew if I didn't change, I couldn't have a family. Like my kids wouldn't respect me. I was just on that verge when my kids were almost not respecting me no more.

[Evan Britton]

Really?

[Mike Tyson]

Almost right there. The clip of it is so frightening.

[Evan Britton]

Wow. How did it feel when they weren't respect. When they started to not respect you?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know. I felt like dying. I wanted to kill.

[Evan Britton]

Really?

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. I thought, I have my children. They didn't, they didn't respect me. I didn't want to live anymore.

[Evan Britton]

Wow. How old were you then?

[Mike Tyson]

39. Wow.

[Evan Britton]

So that was a big wake up call for you. That was something that. So how did you start to shift to get their respect again? Because it was 40 years of conditioning.

[Mike Tyson]

It was so. It was so hard. You just had to. You had to be available, you had to come to work, you have to show up, you know, you had to have gratitude.

[Evan Britton]

Do you have a lot of gratitude in your life right now?

[Mike Tyson]

Oh, hunch. I've been beaten in submission, so I have a lot of gratitude. Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. What was the biggest beat down you've ever had? Whether it be physically or emotionally or spiritually?

[Mike Tyson]

I lost my four year old daughter. She accidentally killed herself by accident.

[Evan Britton]

Oh, man.

[Mike Tyson]

I'm on a treadmill. She didn't know how to work and she got hurt.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

So after that I didn't know what to do and I just didn't know what to do.

[Evan Britton]

How'd you recover from that?

[Mike Tyson]

I haven't. I just know in order to make her happy, I have to do good things and be positive.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. Wow. Were you. Did you ever think positive before that moment or when you were fighting as well? Or was it always negative?

[Mike Tyson]

No, it was always about me. It was always about my. Everybody else.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, I would give people money and stuff. You know, I was capable of being kind to people and nice to people, but it didn't matter. I just wanted what I wanted and that's all that mattered.

[Evan Britton]

Right. Why do you think we care so Much about those things. About, like, what we win or what we get. Why do you think men in general.

[Mike Tyson]

Because, listen, this is what happens. Us as little kids, especially boys. What we hear, we think of great men all the time. We think of people that we raise. You hear about that guy that knocked that guy out around the corner. What was his name again? We always hear legend. We hear about Jim Brown. We hear about Bruce Lee. We hear about all these guys, and we want to know how this bad is telling me about these guys. I'm scared of this guy telling me about these guys. Yeah. So I want to be like these guys. For guys like this could be afraid of me or respect me or something.

[Unknown]

You know, and it's ancient. Yeah, it's very ancient. Knight slaying the dragons, you know, going out on a hunt.

[Mike Tyson]

Like Jim Brown, the football player. Yeah. He's a legend. I didn't know he was a football player. I. From the streets, I thought he was a bad. Kicking in the street. I didn't know with a football player. I thought he was a bad. I had no idea what the football player till I got older.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's awesome.

[Evan Britton]

Why do you think you wanted respect was the thing you wanted the most from people?

[Mike Tyson]

Because they bullied me all the time. Everybody picked on me.

[Evan Britton]

Why do you think they picked on you?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know. I had nobody to protect me. I had no. There's some people in the neighborhood that got very intimidating families. They may have 20 kids in the family.

[Evan Britton]

You're not gonna mess with them.

[Mike Tyson]

They're very aggressive. Yeah, cousins and their brothers and everything. They're very aggressive. So we don't bother those guys. Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

They got a family to get behind you. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

You had no family right there? No.

[Evan Britton]

Dang.

[Unknown]

What do you think about that, Louis? Why do people. What is the thing about bullying? Is it that we're programmed to gain superiority over others?

[Evan Britton]

I think bullies are very insecure, and they want to feel. They want to feel in power, and they're actually powerless. And so they create scenarios to have power over other people, to feel like they're in control. You know, they're very insecure. I think we've all bullied at some time, whether it be one person or a group of people or, you know, in a relationship. I think we've all our fault of it because we want to feel a sense of control or power or certainty and that lack of certainty, you know, when you're 12 years old, growing up, you have no certainty. It's like, who am I. What am I doing? You know, we have no certainty.

[Mike Tyson]

So the fact is, as we talk, really look at this as we talk, Evan. When you think about it, these few questions, check it out. Who are you?

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. No one knows when you're 12.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. Where have you came from?

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

What is your purpose? Why are you breathing? Why do you look the way you do?

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Who's the first, you know, you. To make your existence the first one. Probably a million years ago. 10 million years ago. Who is he? What did he look like? Was he black? Was he Asian?

[Evan Britton]

Crazy, right?

[Mike Tyson]

We don't even know who the first us was.

[Evan Britton]

Why do you think you're here, Mike?

[Mike Tyson]

Excuse me?

[Evan Britton]

Why do you think you're here?

[Mike Tyson]

Why do I think I'm here? To understand the world before I die. To be lucky. To understand it and be conscious of it before I die.

[Evan Britton]

What would you say to yourself, 20 year old self that just is about to win the title?

[Mike Tyson]

I was thinking about the world now that I'm one with everything. That we all. We're involved with everything. I'm involved with the. I'm involved with the bugs. I'm involved with the ants, the butterflies, the cats, the dogs. I'm one of. With everything. The clouds, the sewage, everything. The cars, smoke, everything. I'm one with it all.

[Evan Britton]

What did you think back then?

[Mike Tyson]

Excuse me?

[Evan Britton]

What did you think your understanding of the world was when you were 20?

[Mike Tyson]

When I was 20.

[Evan Britton]

What was your viewpoint of the world?

[Mike Tyson]

I had no viewpoint. Only thing I knew was these guys were great champions that I wanted to be like that.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

It's interesting. I remember when I was a kid, When I was 5, I would watch college football with my dad on TV. I would watch Ohio State, Buckeyes. I'm from Ohio, small town in Ohio called Delaware. Ohio. And I would see the All Americans on tv. And my dad would get so excited about the all American football players at Ohio State. And I was like. Because my dad talked about it, that's what I wanted to be. And so my whole life became, how do I become an all American athlete? And that was the only thing I cared about. And then when it was over, I was like, well, who am I and what do I do with my life? Just kind of like when you retired from football, this identity, dick buckets, all.

[Mike Tyson]

Those guys had to deal with that.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Imagine being so immortal on the football field. And then that Stops.

[Evan Britton]

Stops. And then you live in the past constantly.

[Mike Tyson]

You can't help it. How could you not help it? Tell me that. Especially in the 50s and stuff, when people wasn't elevated on. After we done with this, if we haven't saved up, we're screwed. If we didn't save up after this career, we're in the gutter again. I don't care. Black, white, Chinese. Unless somebody's such a big fan. They have rich guys. I love them when I play. And they gave you a job. That's what happens. A lot of those guys, they became salesmen for the big corporation because guys love them when they were playing.

[Evan Britton]

But then the glory was over though.

[Unknown]

You know, it's the ultimate endeavor to have to reinvent yourself. Everyone has to do that all the time. All the time.

[Evan Britton]

Every couple years. It's almost like you have to all the time.

[Unknown]

Shedding skins, letting go, transforming your mindset and your thoughts.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. What was it like for you when you had to reinvent through financially because you went. I think you went bankrupt once or twice or, you know, how did rebuild and reinvent from a place of man, I just had everything and now I.

[Mike Tyson]

Lost it for whatever reason. No, I had everything. And next thing you know, I'm 60 million in debt.

[Unknown]

Now you owe everything. Could you imagine?

[Evan Britton]

Dude, owe everything.

[Mike Tyson]

Now how'd you get out of that? Listen, right, for some reason they thought I was trying to get out. Get out to get a deal, to get out of this bankruptcy. They thought I was gonna still fight. I had no intention of fighting. They said, nah, you gotta fight. You gonna get out of this deal. Then you go a whole bunch of money sucker us. So they kept thinking I was gonna fight and they wouldn't give me deals. And so I just. This way, I just kept paying a little bit at a time, make some money. I kept paying. And then next thing you know, I would owe them money for so long, they would say, hey, you owed us for so long, so we gotta decline. You owing us this for so long, you're not paying us. Cause you owed it for so long. So now you don't owe us 5 million, we gotta take 7 or 5 million off. And so that's how I was getting down. And so they said, all right, we gotta take this off too. And I wind up owing them $2 million. And I paid that and it was over. I said, done. Nice.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Wow, bro, you're taking it down, but you haven't paid in seven months. If you don't pay this in seven months, you go take 20 million off or something like that.

[Evan Britton]

Never pay them.

[Mike Tyson]

How could they do that? They supposed to take everything. I was Living in madness. They supposed to took all that? How did that happen?

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Mike Tyson]

I was thinking. I said, how I'm keeping all this, why they're not coming to take this stuff.

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. They never came to take anything.

[Evan Britton]

What do you think the moment.

[Mike Tyson]

What was the cars and stuff? I couldn't ride them because I couldn't have money to put gas in them. That Rolls Royce is riding, just sitting there. Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's so crazy, Mike.

[Mike Tyson]

Crazy.

[Evan Britton]

Was there a moment in your life, Was it maybe the bankruptcy or when your daughter died or when you lost respect with your kids? Was there a moment when, like, things really started to shift in your mind to say, okay, I need to figure this stuff out? I need to really.

[Mike Tyson]

I didn't have the slightest idea. I got involved with this woman who's now my wife, right? And she just kept saying, everything's gonna be all right. We're gonna write a show. We're gonna produce television shows and movies, and this is gonna be over. And I'm looking at her, and I'm still strung out on drugs, and I'm looking at her. Bitches don't lose, you know? And next thing you know, we were talking about. We went and saw Chad's Parliamentary Bronx Tale, but we saw it on stage. It was magnificent. It was. It was so quiet. You could hear a mouse on cotton. He was so captivating. You know what I mean? This guy was so captivating. Chad's Parmitari was so captivating. Everybody was so quiet. You could hear every. And I said, baby, I want to do that. Baby, I do that before. Like, when I go to Europe, people ask me questions, and I answer the question, but this time, I just won't answer questions. I do it, you know, the actor, like, Mr. And she was writing the script, and we were rehearsing. She was writing the script. We didn't know how we would ever do it. And then a friend of mine was at the gym where I work at, and the guy was, don't. Mike Tyson working? He said, yeah. He said, if you ever see him, give him my call. I want to do a show with him.

[Unknown]

Whoa, bro.

[Mike Tyson]

Came out of nowhere.

[Unknown]

It's the universe manifesting that came out.

[Mike Tyson]

To the universe a week later. So we called the guy. It took my wife, I think, six weeks to write the show.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Her first show ever. We did the show Standing Room Over Knockout. Blasted all over the world, knock the country up. We did it on Broadway for three weeks.

[Unknown]

First show in Vegas.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. On Vegas was. Knocked everybody out. Everybody came in town Always. So one of Spike Lee's assistants came and saw the show and said, spike, I think we should get into this. And then Spike said, want to go to Broadway? I was in Poland. He called me, he said, want to go to Broadway? We went to Broadway. Listen, when we went to Broadway, everybody came. All the Broadway shows and actresses and actors came. Stevie won. It's everybody came. All the actors we did on a pan year here in California. All the people from the sets came. All the actors and actors. Everybody came. Was so awesome. I couldn't believe we could ever do something like that, be on that level where they would come watch us do something other than a fight, something I'm not going to get hurt doing. I did that, you know, I said, wow, I'm performing, these guys are coming and they enjoying it.

[Unknown]

Mike, I've heard you talk about this a lot, but how did you feel being so honest and vulnerable about your experiences? Was that the first time you'd really done that?

[Mike Tyson]

I mean, yeah, kind of. But listen, it was, it was embarrassing at first, but the people knew all this. People, that was all they knew. They saw what happened in the paper. They read the paper, they saw what happened. They saw what happened. People complained about on television, so I couldn't. Everybody knew what happened, so I had to be very honest.

[Evan Britton]

You did the, you were the 8 mile move. It was like the end of 8 mile. We're just like, here's everything I did. You know, I'm gonna say it all.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Everybody knew it, but they just never heard me say it. But they all, yeah, but it wasn't no Secrets.

[Evan Britton]

I watched, I didn't watch it live. I wanted to when it was on Broadway, but I remember watching it on. Was it HBO show? Yeah, something like that. And my friend saw it and he's like, you have to watch this. He goes, it's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. And I was like, no frickin way. Mike Tyson doing a one man show. I was like, there's no way. And I turned this thing on. And I'm not just saying this because you're here. I turned this thing on. I was like, wow, you're an incredible storyteller and an incredible performer. You know, obviously you're a great performer as an athlete, but you transitioned and I don't think anyone saw it coming that you had that capacity and capability to captivate an audience, whether it be live or TV audience. And you did an incredible job, man.

[Mike Tyson]

Thank you. I mean, thank you.

[Evan Britton]

It was inspiring.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen Evan, my wife. It was supposed to be a gritty, hardcore show of a hardcore guy that came. It came out like a car. They laughed at my hard, tough guy.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, I'm talking about not having a father. The people broke. I left. So I ran back to the street. I said, babe, what's going on? What's happening? Why they laughing? Why they laughing? She said, it's gone. Keep it going, keep it going, Keep it going.

[Unknown]

It's good.

[Mike Tyson]

Keep it going. Keep it going. They're laughing. Keep it going.

[Evan Britton]

What was the biggest lesson you learned about yourself after that whole experience had finished?

[Mike Tyson]

Um, that shouldn't be too hard on myself, you know, that should be. I should be more appreciative of what I've accomplished from where I've came from.

[Unknown]

That's amazing.

[Evan Britton]

Are you usually hard on yourself?

[Mike Tyson]

Absolutely.

[Evan Britton]

Why?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know. That's all I've ever known. Cause if I made mistakes, I got harshly, you know, I mean, verbally punched. You heard some bad stuff.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah, of course.

[Mike Tyson]

Heard some stuff you didn't want to hear.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

So you get yourself. You get yourself numb to that by calling yourself that all the time.

[Evan Britton]

I'm a loser. I suck.

[Mike Tyson]

Are you doing all. You stupid. You dumb. How could you do that?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

What do you. What do you say to yourself now? What's the conversation?

[Mike Tyson]

You say to yourself, oh, I love myself. I love my kids and your kids. Aren't you very lucky that you have your wife? What would you be without her?

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

It's beautiful, man.

[Evan Britton]

It's unbelievable.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

I mean, if Mike Tyson can transform, you know what I mean? As a example of a man who's gone through a lot of trauma, life prepares you.

[Mike Tyson]

Life prepares you for everything. Prepares you for doing 100 years in jail. Prepares you for getting ready to go to the electric chair, prepares you for death. You know what I mean? When life is enduring with you, when you're enduring with life and you're making the age limits, going to your 50s, your 60s, your age, and you're making it up there. You're prepared. All your friends are no longer around, most of your family members not around, but am I doing here, then we go, wow.

[Evan Britton]

You know, what's the thing that's prepared you the most? What experience that you've gone through do you think has prepared you the most for where you're at now?

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[Mike Tyson]

Yes. I'm dropping my ego. I think my life will be jack disasters. I never took the toad. I took this ancient medicine. The toad. Right. And it changed my whole perspective on how to look at life and how I look at people and how to talk to people.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Do you know about the toad?

[Evan Britton]

No. Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Why don't you educate? Educate him. This is going to be very interesting. You're an awesome guy.

[Evan Britton]

Thank you.

[Unknown]

So you know about ayahuasca?

[Evan Britton]

Of course. Yeah. Yeah.

[Unknown]

So the active ingredient in there is dmt Yep. So the toad, from its venom, which they extract and then dry it, over a certain period of time, it crystallizes, it contains 5 Meo DMT, which from the way I understand it, is DMT with an extra methyl oxy group attached to it, which makes it like super steroided. So it's supercharged to your brain, so it crosses the blood brain barrier faster.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And so, you know, it does. You vaporize it and it does very much the same things as dmt, but it's, it's. It's really the top of the pyramid as far as entheogenic substances.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And so, you know, people are cured of depression and addiction and you know, are released of trauma and pain.

[Evan Britton]

Right? Yeah.

[Unknown]

And so, Mike, so you did it. Had a very transformational experience quite a few times.

[Mike Tyson]

And listen, if you take this medicine, it's a possibility. You may feel like God.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

And then you may have a small encounter with God and say, oh, God, please forgive me, I'm sorry.

[Evan Britton]

Is that what happened for you?

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

What was the encounter like?

[Mike Tyson]

I felt the pain of everybody I ever heard before in my life.

[Evan Britton]

Wow, that sounds. Pain that feels. That's fine.

[Mike Tyson]

Please, Lord, I'm sorry. This is crazy.

[Evan Britton]

You felt the pain of everyone you hurt? How many people do you think you've hurt?

[Mike Tyson]

Oh, man, hundreds.

[Evan Britton]

Thousands, Tens of thousands.

[Mike Tyson]

It's so amazing, that pain that you could feel. It was. I had no body. It was nothing. I just existed.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

And you could just feel everything you feel and you still understand. It's like being dead. You're vulnerable as hell. There's no ego. You're afraid of everything. You're naked.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. Please don't hurt me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please, God, please.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, you don't even see nobody. You're scared. You just to feel. You just gotta see. You're scared. I'm sorry. Please. It's just. I don't understand it. And I never been the same since I did it.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

I don't think about hurting people. I don't think about loving people. You still wanna do that stuff and anymore.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, I've never been the same since when my. In my time on life. I'm talking a little fast, but my time on life, I thought I seen it all. I thought I'd been everywhere. I think I. Everybody drink, everybody smoked with every. I did it all and I realized I don't know nothing. And I'm nobody.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know anything. I don't know where I came from. I don't know my real name. I mean, somebody named me Mike. I don't know the. I am. I'm just here.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

It's been pretty amazing to be on this ride with Mike, and it's just. Crazy amount of wisdom and insight that comes from spending time with this guy.

[Mike Tyson]

And I always use God as a way to get to be in. I was never really up. I knew of God, but I always. I didn't. I was. It was always. It wasn't bigger than me.

[Evan Britton]

You were the. You were bigger than God.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

You were God.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, yeah. My thick head. And then you realize that you have to get on your knees. You don't know what his name is, but you know, you have to worship. Wow. You know, after taking the toll. Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Once you've been humbled a certain amount of times, then you're like, okay, I'm not God anymore. Right.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, listen. I tell you about that eagle. I tell you, even though you're humble, you stop. He's still there. Don't let him. Look at the. I might look around. Look at the reflections.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

I'm handsome. It'll come to egos once you take the toe, you know, he ain't.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

How do you let go of ego? And how do you. How. What advice would you give to men who are so ego driven? What would you say to them on how to, like, let it go when they're so attached to it?

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, I'm going tell you something about the ego. From my experience. My. I'm nothing, but. It's a junkyard study, kid, Right. But my. I had nothing. I had nothing. This. This old Italian man gave me an ego, right? And he gave me everything I wanted. The ego gave me everything I ever wanted and more, but it took so much more in return.

[Evan Britton]

What did it take?

[Mike Tyson]

Took everything.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Took everything. Been in prison, took everything.

[Evan Britton]

Family, love.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, well, you don't care no more. You're almost an animal.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You know? Oh, I never want to go there again.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Man.

[Mike Tyson]

Why would you want to live like an animal when you can just say, give it up. Hey, I don't want to do that no more. I love you.

[Evan Britton]

Wow. It's amazing.

[Mike Tyson]

Crazy. What's.

[Evan Britton]

What's the thing, the lesson you have still yet to learn for yourself to get to that next level that you want to be at? Is there a lesson or is there a challenge that you're struggling with, a question inside that still keeps you from. More love, more fulfillment, impact? What is that?

[Mike Tyson]

Why me? Who the am I. Why do millions of people know me and think of me in nice ways? Why me? Why did I have to meet this guy? He had nothing. He has died, broken. But how did he give me the tricks that he had to give me what I want? You know, why me? Why did he. How did he know I was the guy for this job? Wow. I never had a boxing glove boy in my life. I never thought about sports, never played sports with my life. How did he know I was the guy?

[Unknown]

The universe.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. How did this guy know? That blows me away.

[Evan Britton]

How do.

[Mike Tyson]

This guy knows crazy.

[Evan Britton]

What do you think the world needs more of right now? What's it missing?

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, I don't know. I can't say. I know. I can only say love, kindness, passion, patience, you know, among each other. Look at each other as equals. You know, everyone can't succeed in one particular way. We could all succeed if we work together in any way.

[Evan Britton]

So true. You know, Anyway, no one wins unless we all win.

[Mike Tyson]

Exactly. And the conduct of one is the faith of us all. And there's billions of all. The conduct of one is the fate of us all.

[Evan Britton]

Say that one more time. The conduct of one.

[Mike Tyson]

The conduct of one of us is the fate of all of us.

[Evan Britton]

What does that mean for you? What does that mean to you?

[Mike Tyson]

That we all have to be in sync with one another. One guy robs a store and murders some people. That's the fate of all of us. One guy kills a guy because he's a different color or a different religion. That's the fate of all of us.

[Unknown]

Some powerful.

[Evan Britton]

Is he always this insightful?

[Unknown]

Yeah, he is, man. I mean, and that's just really, to me, why I think I've connected with Mike so much is, you know, through my career in the NFL. And coming out of it, this dissolution of ego that's taken place for me over the last four and a half years. You know, ego is just. It crushes you, really, at the end of the day because that's the thing that ties you into all of your desires and ideas about who you are and what you're supposed to be in this manufactured realm.

[Mike Tyson]

And it chases everybody that loves you away.

[Unknown]

Exactly.

[Mike Tyson]

You only have mothers around you.

[Unknown]

It's never enough.

[Mike Tyson]

Your ego can never have nobody you love around you. It won't work.

[Evan Britton]

Why is that?

[Mike Tyson]

If somebody loves you and your ego's acting up and it's controlling you, you can't have.

[Evan Britton]

You push them away.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, yeah, you. You slammed them away. They.

[Evan Britton]

No matter how much they try to.

[Mike Tyson]

Love you, you just like, can't do it. Can't do it. Won't work because you don't ever satisfied.

[Unknown]

You're never filled. That hole is never full, you know? Not enough women, not enough cars, money. Enough money, not accomplishments, pressure, not enough consumption. There's not enough to just consume and feed that thing, feed that beast and.

[Mike Tyson]

That kind of sickness. If you can't have it all, you'd rather have nothing. Because it's not enough. It's not all of it. I rather have nothing.

[Evan Britton]

Is that what happened to you?

[Mike Tyson]

I'd rather have nothing. If I can't have everyone, every day, every girl, every drug, every day, every movie star, if I can't have every one of them, all of them, I'd rather have nothing.

[Evan Britton]

Really?

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

How many, how many women do you think you've been with?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know. I'm not proud of it though. Not stuff that I'm proud of.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

I don't even know why I did it.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

I didn't know what was the purpose of it?

[Evan Britton]

To try to fulfill something that we were missing?

[Mike Tyson]

No, it was. Listen, I wanted those women to love me.

[Evan Britton]

Why?

[Mike Tyson]

Because I didn't love myself.

[Evan Britton]

Wow. Did you let them love you?

[Mike Tyson]

No way. How can. I don't love myself. I can't let them love me. My love was to make me or to tell me I was great or tell me that was the best you ever had. That was my ego.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, I mean, that was my fulfillment. I would pay you. I buy your house or car. I'm the best all night.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Woo.

[Evan Britton]

What's. How long have you been together with your wife?

[Mike Tyson]

10. No, well, more than 10. We were married 10 years.

[Evan Britton]

What's the greatest lesson she's taught you in the last 10 years?

[Mike Tyson]

That I don't own her.

[Evan Britton]

Did you used to feel like you owned the relationships?

[Mike Tyson]

I owned everything that was in my presence.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You're around me. You're work. I own you, mother. You're a fan. You're around me. I own you, mother. Wow. I own you, mother. You're around me. You're in my presence. You want anything, you accept anything from me. I own you.

[Evan Britton]

You owe me. I own you. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

So when did she say, you don't own me? What was that like? When she confronted you and said, hey, you don't own me.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, let me tell you. Have you ever been married?

[Evan Britton]

No, I've never been married.

[Mike Tyson]

Let me tell you something. I'm telling you something. Marriage is something that. It's like a Roller coaster, right? And it's really scary because the roller coaster goes up and it gets to the top and it's making a lot of noise. And that's the beginning. We make a lot of noise by being in love. And then we get to the top and then we come down fast. And you can't grow. You can't. You can't learn this stuff. You gotta grow with this stuff.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

You gotta go through it.

[Mike Tyson]

You can't get ready for this. You can't prepare for this. You know what I mean? You gonna find out me, you and this person really care about each other. Love is out of the question that we're married. Love. Now how determined you are to make this work for the betterment of your children. Your name, God. You know what I mean? How tough are you now? You're a tough guy. I wanna see how tough you are. You beat up a lot of people. Let's see how tough you are with this.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, I mean, this is for God. Let's see how tough. You did this for money. Let's see what you could do for God.

[Evan Britton]

What's the greatest. What's the thing you love about her.

[Mike Tyson]

The most now, right now that she puts up with me for a loser? I can't blast the baby. Can you believe we're still married?

[Evan Britton]

10 years. Yeah. Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

And then I ran into the toad.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Oh, man.

[Evan Britton]

Toad life.

[Unknown]

Toad life.

[Evan Britton]

Toad life up in here.

[Unknown]

Toad life. You really have to cultivate a marriage, man. You've been married. Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

You're married right now. You got two kids, you said.

[Unknown]

Or one kid.

[Evan Britton]

Like a two year old?

[Unknown]

Seven year old.

[Evan Britton]

Seven year old. Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

Once you reach that, you understand. Hey, we have to. What? We have to take care of ourselves. We have to make sure our side of the street is clean. I can't worry about her side of the street. I gotta make sure my side of the street is clean.

[Unknown]

That's a key.

[Evan Britton]

Give me.

[Unknown]

Absolutely.

[Evan Britton]

I'm not married. I've never been married. But give me the keys to getting into a marriage that's happy and staying in a happy one. Give me your top three each. I want to hear.

[Unknown]

Don't take anything personal.

[Mike Tyson]

Never personal. If she says things that make.

[Evan Britton]

How do you not take it personal? Well, it's wrong.

[Unknown]

It takes a lot of practice.

[Mike Tyson]

It's not wrong because. No, it's triggers.

[Evan Britton]

When they're attacking you.

[Mike Tyson]

No, we have triggers from other relationships and other lives. They hit those triggers and we blame them for the. For the fun of trouble that everybody Else called us because they pressed those buttons that brought that pain back up.

[Evan Britton]

So how do you not take it personally when they're like you mother, it.

[Unknown]

Takes a lot of practice.

[Mike Tyson]

You learn not to take it personally. And you say, and you tell them, I love you.

[Unknown]

It doesn't just happen.

[Evan Britton]

That disarms them. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Unknown]

Always coming back to I love you.

[Mike Tyson]

I love.

[Unknown]

I love you.

[Mike Tyson]

See, I love you.

[Unknown]

Remember how much you love them and remind yourself of it. And for me, it's. It's about taking the energy that I bring into life. Because we can take our families for granted.

[Evan Britton]

Yes.

[Unknown]

You know, and we fall into just autopilot, you know, programmed mechanisms with our family, especially with an intimate relationship. And so over that time, like what Mike was saying, when that love or that lusty, super hot sex time wears off, because it's going to. Because we are as human beings, we are chemically programmed into that. Especially men. You know, you are biologically evolutionarily programmed to procreate and spread your seed. You know, so this is something that we have to battle or at least learn how to hone and control.

[Mike Tyson]

And this is what I found out too, because remember you said it comes a time when you still want to do it no more and say, Mr. Cooper, you still like to do it, but it's not like it used to be. That's because God prepares you. You know what I mean? Sometimes when you're younger, it has to go. And when you get older, it's not that important.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Evan Britton]

You don't care as much.

[Mike Tyson]

That's why God made it feel good. Because even when you're older now, it's not that point, but it still feels good. I feel like feeling good right now, you know?

[Unknown]

So you have to come home and you have to create that romance and that love again. You know, you have to remind.

[Mike Tyson]

She would lose. She picked something up. You're not. Why are you not being this way? Are you with somebody else this way? Women pick things up. They're very sensitive. Pick up things. You have to be consistent. The same thing all the time.

[Evan Britton]

All the time.

[Mike Tyson]

Stop one time or something, they pick up something. Consistency with women. I learned that late. To be consistent. Be consistent. Consistent. Never change your color. Wow. Because they would pick that up quick. The first thing they picked one day, you change one second.

[Unknown]

Well, that's why Communication.

[Mike Tyson]

She picks it up. They're different than we are.

[Unknown]

Communication.

[Mike Tyson]

You see a whole bunch of people in here. If my wife was in here, we're all talking. My wife would remember here Only my voice. Everybody's talking. She remember everything I said. Everybody's talking. But she's gonna hear my voice. That's how women are. They get. They get tuned into your voice. Everything about you, your characteristics. They wanna know you. They want to be the puppet master. They just want to know what is. They don't want to be the puppet master. They just want to know every move you make.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Yes. And communication.

[Evan Britton]

Communication.

[Unknown]

That's the third for sure.

[Evan Britton]

Communication. Don't take things personally.

[Unknown]

Yep. And we're just remember how much you love them.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, please communicate. Because something that happened six months ago and you won't know it till the outbursts come out. And you. What the hell happened? That's six months ago. What always communicates. Everything okay, baby? Sure. Nothing's on your mind? You don't want to talk about anything every day.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Oh, I've learned that late. I started doing that recently, like a year ago.

[Unknown]

Yeah. That's pretty new for me.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You too?

[Unknown]

Communication is just. That's a constant practice.

[Mike Tyson]

Evan. My whole life, once I've been married, all I did was throw money at my problems. Buy a house, buy your mother house, buy some cars, you know, get away. I can't deal with no children today. I don't want to hear what the teacher said today.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

That's not what your. Your. Your partner wants to. Wants from you. They want you to listen and be a partner.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

They want to know how the money's building. They want to know everything. You know what I mean? And then when you realize you don't have the money like you used to have, and you throw those. The money at the problem, you have to deal now.

[Evan Britton]

Deal with the problem.

[Mike Tyson]

Dealing with the problems.

[Evan Britton]

That's emotional.

[Mike Tyson]

I read almost died. And deal with the problem. I wish I had something to throw away. I wish I had some money. I could give a lawyer to deal with the problem.

[Unknown]

I definitely confronted that coming out of the NFL. Oh. With my wife.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

It was like, oh, wow. Now I'm here. This marriage. There's nowhere to go.

[Evan Britton]

You have all this free time.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

You're not just at a job all day, you know?

[Unknown]

Absolutely.

[Mike Tyson]

Remember one day I was in this. Why is it that men and women have to be married? Why is it that we look for a mate? And I tell you, a man needs a woman to make sure that he's a man. She'll make sure that we're American, should test us and try us and push us to the extent, to the fear, breaking point yeah. You know?

[Unknown]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mike Tyson]

By being a man, you have to control yourself. And that's what they teach you. Once you control yourself, you control your feelings. With a woman, she said, I don't want to say submit, but she understand I can't get to him. Why don't you control your feelings? Because we don't have the emotional intelligence to control our feelings. Because in our mind macho, we want to react. Oh, she. She's making us look like said that no man would ever say that to me.

[Unknown]

Well, it's about when. It's about when you're confront. When your woman confronts you with something, she's challenging your kingdom. She's challenging your masculinity big time. She's saying there's something with.

[Mike Tyson]

For every man. I don't get big, strong biker, gangbanger, tough killer. And when a woman. You're gonna have to deal with that. A lot of people think a lot of people. I'm gonna get. I'm a beat love. I'm gonna get all these married I get.

[Evan Britton]

Do you know you've met a ton of guys? Yeah, Billionaires, celebrity. You've met the biggest, you know, influencers in the world. Right. Over the last 30, 40 years. I'm curious, is there a man that you know today or in the past, who's maybe passed away, who feels so much love in his heart and feels like he made it without having a great partner? Like, can he do it alone and just sleep with a bunch of girls? You know, take what he wants, do these guy. Can he be that guy and still be like peaceful and love in his heart or is he unfulfilled?

[Mike Tyson]

Did great. My experience.

[Unknown]

Good question.

[Mike Tyson]

My experience. A guy that did a lot of stuff with women and stuff I'm not proud of. Like, the more women you, you know, you would think the more women you have, the more. More crown and achievements you will receive from people or whatever the situation the player world is. But the more women you. The more women you be with, the more you feel like you've been taking parts away from you.

[Unknown]

The hole is getting bigger.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. It feels like you die. The more you they're taking from you, you feel like you're being taken, you're being torn apart. You feel empty, you feeling dark. You feel just don't feel good about yourself.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You just. You all these people, you got nothing from them. But you know, and what did you get from that feeling? Why did you want to have that feeling? What's the cause of having that feeling? Nobody had. No, you know, maybe three people had babies, but it was like tons of issues. What was the purpose of that feeling? I don't feel that way no more. I don't move like that in the lounge. And I said, what was the purpose for me to be that way? What did I get out of it? No one got any babies. We got some diseases. We. You know what I mean? Nobody got any love from that. Was that perceived as love? What was that? I told my wife. What was that all about?

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The smartest way to hire.

[Mike Tyson]

You think I will meet all these people in the afterlife and stuff? What's the afterlife? What about the people that watch me fight? Would I ever see them again? All of them, collectively. If all this stuff go back, where do. Where do we all go? Where was, like, the. What you're thinking right now? Well, what am I talking about? That feeling, that energy. Where did that go when we die? Like, you're not even talking, but that you're talking to you. Hey, where did that go when we die? That can't die. Where does it go? I'm just thinking, did they just black out? Like you pull out a plug socket? What happens with that?

[Unknown]

Goes back into the circulation.

[Mike Tyson]

But imagine if they go into a bug or a rock or a tree and we become that.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I'm not sure how reincarnation works, you know? Do you come back as another human being? What? You know, and why. What person you come back as?

[Mike Tyson]

I was telling my wife, my wife hates bugs.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Every now and then, a bug gets in the house and she freaks out. Right. I said, listen, that's probably your grandmother coming back and reincarnation. She wants to see you so bad. Soon as you water.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, stuff like that. You know, I think these are people that we love.

[Unknown]

Absolutely.

[Mike Tyson]

And we see them and we hate them so bad. And they say, mike, look at me. But I'm back. I thought I was dead. Hey, Mike, give me. I kill him.

[Unknown]

I know, man. I've. I have a new practice. Any bugs?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't kill any.

[Unknown]

I bring him outside. Because my wife is the same. She's like, get the spider out of here. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

I'm not killing nothing. I tell that right there. I'm not killing. You gonna kill? You kill. I'm gonna kill anything.

[Unknown]

That might be my new policy.

[Evan Britton]

When do you feel the most loved, Mike?

[Mike Tyson]

When I feel the most love.

[Evan Britton]

When do you feel the most love in your heart?

[Mike Tyson]

You know, when I'm around watching YouTube and I hear my kids running around, and my wife comes up and down after feeding, the kids maybe come from work, and I'll come upstairs and get in the shower, maybe sit on the bed or sit on her chair. Electric chair that puts electric vibes to a body. And I'm very happy. Everybody's in the house. All my kids are here, and that's when I'm the most loved.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

We're all together. All my oldest kids, the youngest. We're all from school, from home, and all back together. In the same house. I feel one loved at all.

[Unknown]

That's awesome.

[Evan Britton]

Why do you think that experience makes you feel the most loved and not something else?

[Mike Tyson]

Because everything that I love is. I feel secured. I feel like, listen, this is the false sense of security. I feel I can protect them right now. I can't do nothing if somebody can.

[Evan Britton]

Come in there and do something.

[Mike Tyson]

Somebody can come in and kill someone with a bat. Forget a gun, right? But just the fact I think that they're safe now. Cause they're with me, boy. The fuck. No, that's the eagle. Yeah, it is. I think they safe because they're with me. Isn't that sick? And I know that, but it just makes me feel.

[Unknown]

Feels good.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

It makes you feel loved.

[Mike Tyson]

They're grown too.

[Unknown]

It's an interesting breakdown of that Mike. You took it all the way through.

[Mike Tyson]

I love them so much. I don't want them to ever. And I see I. They never experienced anything. I experienced the kind of people and things and been in prison and got bad records and stuff. They're very clean. They got good stuff. They got good beginning don't got with them, you know.

[Evan Britton]

Well, I. My brother. I don't know how much time you guys have. I'm. I'm just asking some questions. But my. When I was. How old was I. I was 8 years old. My brother went to prison selling drugs. So when I was 8 until 12, we would drive, you know, a couple hours on the weekend. It was crazy, man. Yeah, they. They would drive the weekend, you know, take like an hour to get through the security every time. And then I'd sit in this, you know, big room with all the convicts and my brother. And I was 8 years old until 12 and I remember just hearing these stories about prison that blew my mind as an 8 year old, 9 year old. Just like what happened? I'm curious. What was the biggest thing you learned about yourself from being in jail?

[Mike Tyson]

What I learned from jail, this is what I learned from jail. Which is going to be a trip. That there beautiful people in this world.

[Evan Britton]

Beautiful.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, there are.

[Evan Britton]

There were so many nice people there.

[Mike Tyson]

So many beautiful people in this world. They've had hard luck or bad times and stuff. It's beautiful people. And they may be killers. Yeah. They may have done some really horrific shot people did some stuff, drug deals, went bad stuff. But they have a human quality about them. They're kind you sitting on you. We just have a different look, we have a different perspective of a drug dealer. We looking for the drug dealer. He has Some guns. He's coming with his pack and a bunch of guys got their guns ready for people for action to come. And they come across big bag, sadistic people. But that's not what it is. These are people on hard times, and nobody. Government's not doing nothing. They're not even giving welfare out anymore. You know, this is the company where if you're not doing well, if you don't make it, you. That's the country we live in. I know you don't. Nobody likes to hear, but if you're not doing good, you don't have a good family, you don't got a good education, you don't got good working skills, you're not big, strong buck. You. You come back from the army, you paralyzed, you got shot up. You. You're old. You can't work here. You. You immigrate. Don't got no skills. How your girlfriend look? How your wife look? They're beautiful. Can I up? No, can't you?

[Evan Britton]

Wow. Yeah, but people, there are some. I've been up to Lancaster to the maximum security prison up there and done some workshops, and I did a workshop for five hours with a former NFL guy, Steve Weatherford. I don't know if you.

[Unknown]

Steve. Punter. We played together in Jacksonville. There you go.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah, Good buddy of mine. So we went up there, I took a few guys, and there was about a room of 25 murderers, right, that are all murdered or they were like on the scene when it happened, and they got in there for life, whatever, right? And they were someone like the most lovely, kind men. Now, they'd been in there, they've been doing the work. They've been working on themselves, transforming, you know, forgiving themselves. They've been in the work for years, decades. But there's some lovely people, if you're willing to train to do the work.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, no doubt. But listen, how do they get. How do these beautiful people that we're talking about, how do they get a good break when they come out there and they got the stripes on their back, they want to read your folio. They see all this prison. You. You got the highest. Some of these guys got the highest form of education from Ivy League schools online. In prison, they can't get a job.

[Evan Britton]

That's true.

[Mike Tyson]

They got Ivy League stuff.

[Evan Britton]

There's a guy at Stanford from there.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, Ivy League stuff, man, these guys are geniuses. They took the. They just went the wrong direction. These guys are geniuses. These guys are brainiacs. The reason why we can't have radios and Stuff in prison, one of these little crazy intelligent baskets, turn it into a phone where they can hear what in the warden's office, you know what I mean? So that's why we can't have. We can't have the things no more the Walkmans, no more the radio, because these guys turning into devices where they can hear. And the warden's office, when they go, send the people up for searches and lockdowns and all that stuff. These guys are geniuses. You can't believe it. They're like Einstein. Then if a murder drug deal. These guys are so smart, they blow your mind, man.

[Unknown]

It's wild.

[Evan Britton]

I'm curious.

[Mike Tyson]

Every state that the school requirements have for college institutions, they pass them with flying colors like they were cheating. You think they're cheating at scores that they get?

[Unknown]

Wow, it's wild, man.

[Evan Britton]

I'm curious. Hypothetically, let's say you could pick the day you get to die. How old would you want to be? If you could say, okay, I can choose any day, any year. Would you want to be 100, 200 years old? Like, how old would you like to live until.

[Mike Tyson]

I wouldn't live long because I wouldn't want to see my children die.

[Evan Britton]

Wow. Okay.

[Mike Tyson]

I wouldn't live long at all.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

That would kill me if I, you know, see him growing old. I lost the daughter at 4. But imagine that me with the relationship I have with my children now, you know, I would probably handle it, but I wouldn't want to deal with it. I wouldn't want to see it. I would want to die a lot earlier. Right.

[Evan Britton]

Well, say. You got to say it's your last day and your family was still alive.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

And you died. Say it was 100 and your family was still alive. Right. What do you think you would want people to say about you in 50 years from now if that was when you died? What would you want people to say about you at your funeral or just in life after you pass?

[Mike Tyson]

I don't know. I told my kids, say, my daddy took care of us.

[Evan Britton]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

That's more important, my dad, you know, the other people gonna have their opinion, their individuals.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Whatever it is, you know, and that doesn't bother me. It's all my children because I've always been up in that department. Yeah. You know, my children have to come visit me in my birthday. They always have to see me in prison all the time. Everything I went through, that part of my life, my kids always got to come do through the glass. Gotta take hang out with my kids through The.

[Evan Britton]

Oh, it was the worst, right?

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

All that stuff.

[Evan Britton]

That's cool, man.

[Unknown]

That's a good question.

[Evan Britton]

I'm always asking. I'm always asking myself this stuff, you.

[Mike Tyson]

Know, that's what we are as people. We want people to think something about us. That's our ego we want to think. We want. I'm telling you, people's egos are so big, they want to be. They're mad they can't be at their own funeral. They want to see who came.

[Evan Britton]

I think I would want something similar, which is like, I would want people to know that I really cared about humanity and I had a big heart and I wanted to help people as much as I could. And just, I was a kind human being.

[Unknown]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Evan Britton]

I tried my best to do as good as I could to help people.

[Mike Tyson]

You know, and then you have to deal with this. Your best wasn't good enough.

[Evan Britton]

Oh, man.

[Mike Tyson]

Imagine that.

[Evan Britton]

Well, you're dead then, anyway, so you don't have to hear it anymore.

[Mike Tyson]

But listen, how do we know? Maybe death is another form of life, that we go to another part of life, you know? Absolutely. How could life be glorious and death not be glorious? You can't have death if you don't have life, you walk through the hall.

[Unknown]

And do it all over again.

[Mike Tyson]

No doubt about it. But I say to myself about that, too. I say, listen, is this an illusion? People are born every second. What is the big thing? Why would God need me to come back? He gets somebody. Other people. Keep that. Keep coming. Why do we need my energy back anymore? We already dealt with your energy. We doing some new. Unless he was coming, we don't want to talk to you about you. We may bring you up in some history class work. Okay.

[Evan Britton]

Right.

[Unknown]

Well, I think that.

[Mike Tyson]

I think that's a part of our ego believing that we're going to continue to live and we're going to be reincarnated. No, you're finished. You had your turn. Come on.

[Unknown]

Yeah, you know, it's possible. But you think about, like your question, Mike, of Alexander the Great and the thousands of followers, hundreds of thousands of followers he had. And you think about. Everybody knows Alexander the Great's name, but they don't know Joe Schmo.

[Mike Tyson]

Yes.

[Unknown]

From there. And the case is still that way. There are a handful of individuals in the grand scheme of civilizations that leave a mark, that perpetuates on and on. And so what you might think is, why does the universe want me to. Why does spirit. Why does God want me to come back? Or need Me to come back. And it's because you carry with you this knowledge that you spread that like a virus, a flow of water over humanity may touch and affect and inspire others to dream and think in this way. You know, and that's why you come back. Because for the souls that are here for maybe the first time need to hear this type of stuff. Because it takes a lot to wake up in this day and age of technology. You know, hyper accessibility and comparison.

[Evan Britton]

Everything. Judgment, insecurities, everything. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

So tell me this, right? How does somebody that lived in the Stone Age connect with somebody that lives right today? He died during the Stone Age. Now somebody. Do they intertwine one of the energy intertwine with another? Hey, you're my cousin from 10 million years ago. Do we find things out? Do we receive knowledge for my death?

[Unknown]

Yeah. Because in our DNA, it's all. It's all encrypted, encoded into our DNA, into our cells, all of this ancient knowledge.

[Mike Tyson]

For my brief, you know, for my brief investigation about the toad and all this stuff and the universe, I. It's just hard to believe that so many people are born. And what happened to all these people. And like you say a man, say a Chinese emperor at one time, he led billions of people. And those billions of people accomplish great things. The Great Wall of China and all the great temples, all this stuff, Right? Where are their names? Where are their names?

[Evan Britton]

Gone.

[Mike Tyson]

That's a crime. Everyone, 30 million of them, their names should be mentioned. That's when they found the territorial soldiers. They had thousands of them, but it was just too many of them. But they put their names on every one of them with different characters, different soldiers, and they put their names on them.

[Evan Britton]

That's cool.

[Mike Tyson]

And that's the closest that it ever came down. When the whole crew got the recognition.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Mike Tyson]

From China, when he made a. He made a. He made a. He made a clay statue of everyone. In the lifestyle of every one of his soldiers. And his soldiers, horses and stuff. And the guns and all this stuff.

[Evan Britton]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Well, in that same token of the. What did you say, Mike? The actions of us all, of one of us.

[Mike Tyson]

The conduct of one of the faith of us all.

[Unknown]

Yes. So in the same vein, the conduct of one Alexander the Great.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Is the fate of his entire community. His entire tribe.

[Mike Tyson]

Exactly.

[Unknown]

You know, so he is the embodiment of all of those people.

[Evan Britton]

It's true. He represents it. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

Nobody ever went that far before. Nobody ever went that far. That must have been crazy. You imagine marching for 10 years. Imagine 10 years just keep going. Not ever thinking about home. Well, you think about home, but you never know when you're coming back. Everybody had, they went mutiny on him when he got to India. They said, man, we're not going home. We've been gone for 10 years. We lost a bunch of people. We got children by other women from other tribes that in our group now, you know, it's just.

[Unknown]

Whew, that's crazy.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Lewis, what do you have going on these days, man? What are you doing right now? You writing any new books?

[Evan Britton]

I'm working on a new book that I'm just started writing. It's about eliminating self doubt.

[Unknown]

Nice.

[Evan Britton]

I think self doubt is the killer of dreams and I think it holds us back from everything when we doubt ourselves.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, why do we have doubts? We human beings are the only species that make doubt up when it's not there.

[Evan Britton]

Isn't it crazy?

[Unknown]

That's wild.

[Evan Britton]

It's crazy. That's what I'm going to be writing about. Yes. How do we overcome that self doubt that keeps us back and it doesn't matter? You know, I've. You've probably seen some talented athletes over the years who, maybe they were more talented than you or something, I don't know. And you were like. But they didn't believe in themselves and you had enough energy to put yourself out there and believe. I met a lot of guys. Maybe you did on the football field, but I was not the best athlete. But I made it past a lot of the guys that I played with. And I was always like, man, you're so talented, you're a mutant, you're a freak of nature. But when it comes to the game, you get scared. And I didn't understand it. Yeah, I never understood it. And the thing is, it doesn't matter if you're the baddest person in the world and if everyone believes in you and says you're the greatest, you can achieve it all. If you don't believe, you'll never do anything.

[Mike Tyson]

This is, that's so interesting. This is something I always wanted to find out. Like I have some sparring guy, partners, people that I spar. And when I'm sparring, I'm vicious, I'm the limit. I knock you cold, break your dirty ice. And there's some guys in there that kick my right and you're like, what? But you put them in the ring, put them on the ring, they're nervous. You put them some popcorn there and they panic, won't throw a punch. I said, yeah, fight him. Like you fought me in the ring. It's fighting the same way, please, this guy. And they freak out, they panic, they won't.

[Evan Britton]

I think it's, I think part of it is this is something I'm going to be researching and going down. I think part of it is our ego and opinions of other people. We care so much about the opinions of other people. If we, the way we look, if we fail, if you know, something happens we're not proud of. We're so scared of what our friends, our family, the media thinks of us that it holds us back from actually being in flow and giving our all.

[Unknown]

Absolutely, that's true too.

[Mike Tyson]

But there's other things that in that realm there's some guys that don't got, ain't got nothing, talk, pump confidence and this guy that got the world. They don't do nothing to shy the introverted. They don't think much of themselves. They're scared to talk to. Yeah, yeah, now why is that? Now if you talk about self doubt, the insecurities. Yeah, you scared to talk to a girl. I know I would buy one. Don't forget to. I'll take this money.

[Evan Britton]

I think it's get the car, get the house. People are, I think the reject. The fear of rejection. It's like the opinion of what that person thinks of you. If they don't, if they say no to you, then it means you're not worthy. And at the core of all of our fears is us not being enough. It's saying I am not enough and therefore I'm afraid of putting myself out there because what if this person says you are not enough to me, I'm rejecting you. Then we get scared and our ego takes over and we don't want to be put in that situation.

[Mike Tyson]

In some cases people killed other people for saying that.

[Evan Britton]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Mike Tyson]

People freak out.

[Evan Britton]

And isn't it interesting, isn't it interesting that you could have the world saying you got this, you're the greatest and you not believe in yourself and not take up the opportunity. And in the reverse you could have the world against you and everyone says no, there's no way you can do this, there's no chance you're not good enough. And all it takes is one person to believe and that's yourself. And you can be against the world but if you have the belief then you can go and create it. And so that's what I want to.

[Unknown]

Absolutely.

[Evan Britton]

This book is about developing self belief and eliminating self doubt because I think self doubt is the killer of dreams.

[Mike Tyson]

I used to have a mentor, and he used to say this confidence applied properly with superseded genius.

[Evan Britton]

Oh, yeah. The genius without confidence isn't going to do anything.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Doesn't matter.

[Unknown]

Amazing.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. So I've got that of.

[Unknown]

You should interview Mike for it, Toad.

[Evan Britton]

I'm going to. I mean, I'm going to. Yeah, for sure. I've got that. I've got a documentary I'm looking to launch here soon that's about. It's called Chasing Greatness. It's all about discovering what greatness is, and I'm excited about that. And then my podcast is called the School of Great Greatness. So we interview people like Mike, who's going to be coming on soon, and.

[Mike Tyson]

So tell us. I'm going to say something that John Kennedy Jr. Said, All right. I've known him well before he died, right? And he said this. I met a lot of great men, but. And all those great men I met, I never met. There were no good men. And he said, after meeting all these great men, I decided I want to be a good man. And that's what I said. I said, I want to be a good man. People told me I was great for a long time, but it didn't give me, you know, as I got older, it didn't mean anything to me. You know what I mean? And then I realized that being a good man, you know, I mean, it's worth more than being a great man. All great men are not good men, but most good men could become great men.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. It's true.

[Unknown]

So true.

[Evan Britton]

That's great.

[Unknown]

So true. Because that doesn't give you anything.

[Mike Tyson]

No.

[Unknown]

All of the material, success, accomplishments.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Do anything for your soul. You may get five minutes, five years of gratification for your achievements, but it's not going to fill the hole unless you're at peace with yourself. You are in love with yourself.

[Mike Tyson]

Listen, we're human beings. We're human beings. How do you take your great man? How do you take that? What do you say? I'm a bad. How do they take that from the perspective of humanity? How do you take your great man?

[Evan Britton]

I just try to say I don't.

[Mike Tyson]

Even know what that means.

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[Evan Britton]

I if someone says that to me, I would just say thank you. I'm trying to do my best. Every single day I'm learning, every day I'm growing. I'm not perfect and I just want to help and serve. So I just try to absolutely focus on service and I say thank you. I'm just trying to serve as much.

[Mike Tyson]

My idiotic I thought of a great man's man like Gandhi, a man that gives up all his money, gives everything to something. But that don't make him a great man. That's this man don't give money. But that doesn't make him a good man either. You know, he just value he has a price. But his price is not money. Might be sex, might be liquor, might be drugs. This might be his happiness. You know what I mean? And all happy people are not good people. You know what I mean?

[Evan Britton]

Yeah, you be doing bad things and feel happy about it.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, well, happy people are not good people.

[Unknown]

Good stuff, man.

[Evan Britton]

This is fun, guys.

[Mike Tyson]

Really good. When you see somebody that's that's in a bad situation and you try to make that situation better, that's a good person. That's a good person. You don't have to know him or anything, but to make a situation better.

[Evan Britton]

No, you could do. You could simply smile. Yeah. You don't have to do a lot to change someone's energy and make them feel better. You can smile. You can 100% say, how are you? You know?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

It's just your energy, your way of being, how you show up.

[Unknown]

So there's a lot of homeless people around LA.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

You live in LA?

[Mike Tyson]

I live in West Hollywood, downtown LA.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And on my side of town in NoHo. North Hollywood.

[Mike Tyson]

In Hollywood. But Hollywood, they got the functional homeless people. Still clean. They're still not talking.

[Evan Britton]

They got cell phones.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah. These guys downtown don't have nothing. Yeah, they're gonna die there, man.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's really bad. But, you know, I try to acknowledge them, at least. That's good, you know, I feel like those people are so beaten down that if another soul can just acknowledge their existence, that lifts them up to some extent.

[Evan Britton]

Just smile and say, hey, I hope you're doing well.

[Unknown]

Hey, man, you know, God bless you. Good luck to you.

[Mike Tyson]

I don't understand. Listen, it's funny you say that. It was a story about Alexander the Great. And there was this guy. I forgot the genius, I forgot his name, but he was a homeless guy and he never complained. He was always happy. And Alexander was the king of Greece. At some point he said, hey, listen, I notice you. You have nothing. You're always happy. I have everything. What can I do for you? And the guy said this. He said, for once, if you can please just get out of the way of the sun so I can get my pass. And Alexander just couldn't understand why this guy had nothing, but he was happy and he had everything. He wasn't happy. That was confusing.

[Evan Britton]

It's interesting. I've been a part of a charity called Pencil of Promise, where I'm actually. Tonight I'm flying to Guatemala. Every year I go on a trip. We go to Guatemala, Laos and Ghana.

[Mike Tyson]

And we build schools.

[Evan Britton]

It's cool there. I like it there, but we go and build schools. I've been doing it for seven, eight years. A guy named Adam Braun founded it. Scooter Braun is part of his brother. I don't know if you know Scooter Braun.

[Unknown]

We do.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

Yeah. So I'm going tonight. And every year I go on a trip for about four days and I see these kids that have nothing. They're in the middle of. They're so happy, man. They have nothing. They have no schools. They have no.

[Lewis Howes]

They have a hut.

[Evan Britton]

But then they get like a little sandwich and they're just hanging out with their family and they're kicking up soccer ball in the dirt field with, you know, you know, trees in the middle of the field. And they're, you know, they're so happy kicking a rock around.

[Mike Tyson]

Well, they don't expect anything. In this country, we were taught to expect things. Even if we don't work, we expect to have that beautiful girl, we expect to have that house, we expect to have that money, Someone to give us money. Yeah, give it to us.

[Evan Britton]

They're so happy. And so when I come, when I'm there for four or five days and I come back and I drive through Beverly Hills to get to West Hollywood and I see it's grotesque, the material abundance and people honking in their four hundred thousand dollar Bentleys or whatever and getting mad. And I'm like, these people are so happy with nothing. They've got family, they've got laughter, they've got health. And people in Beverly Hills. Not everyone obviously, but I see people that are angry and I'm frustrated.

[Unknown]

Cosmic joke, man.

[Evan Britton]

Isn't it crazy?

[Mike Tyson]

No, this is crazy. People are so fragile. Life is Fred. It's hard living life. You see people, they say, they make a bad mistake, think it's over, they may kill themselves. Life is hard to live. Yeah. By making them say, oh God, I'm not getting the money, I'm not going. My girl left me, no one ever loved me. Boom, I'm dead. You know, it's just people.

[Evan Britton]

It always passes though, right? You've been through some crap, but you.

[Mike Tyson]

Have to go through it. Some people can't go through the rain.

[Evan Britton]

A lot of pain to go through that pain. A lot of pain.

[Mike Tyson]

Deal with that pain.

[Unknown]

And you have to be willing to always see the light.

[Evan Britton]

It's so hard when you feel like suffocating though.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, but it's just your mind playing tricks.

[Evan Britton]

It's all mind games.

[Mike Tyson]

We're so. Human beings are so drama filled. We're movies in our own self.

[Evan Britton]

That's it. Stories we tell.

[Mike Tyson]

You listen. It's not even true. When we playing, we got the emotions of crying. It's cool. It's over, it's gone. It's cool.

[Unknown]

Good man. Well, this is fun. What do you think? Dude? We have a ball in here.

[Evan Britton]

This is a great conversation.

[Unknown]

It's a great.

[Evan Britton]

I'm excited to have you on soon and just talk more about this stuff, so.

[Unknown]

Hell yeah, dude.

[Mike Tyson]

Do you, do you ever think about that? Like where the am I gonna go? When I know you don't think it's a blackout. Boom. Yeah, I know you understand it's gonna happen.

[Unknown]

I think about it every day.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, you do. Because it's kind of exciting, too. Let's be honest.

[Evan Britton]

What's next?

[Mike Tyson]

Exciting because, you know, God didn't make us for us to blank out. Do you think God made us? For us to say, hey, it's over? Blank out, we don't exist anymore. Come on.

[Evan Britton]

I don't think so.

[Unknown]

Interested?

[Mike Tyson]

The galaxy is so big, I think sometimes that we're in somebody's. No, we're in somebody's system. We're guts. We had cells.

[Unknown]

We're cells.

[Mike Tyson]

We're living. We're living inside somebody that's just so big, we can't even fathom it.

[Unknown]

Why not? You know why not?

[Mike Tyson]

When we stop being afraid, we're ready to die. Isn't that crazy? When we're no longer afraid.

[Unknown]

That's the paradox.

[Mike Tyson]

We ready to die. Even when you're young, we no longer afraid usually die, you know?

[Unknown]

Interesting.

[Mike Tyson]

Fear keeps us alive. Fear is a friend of ours.

[Unknown]

You have some realization.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And then you go, should we wrap this up?

[Mike Tyson]

Sure, why not?

[Evan Britton]

Do you guys have a special ending, too?

[Unknown]

No. Dude. Thank you.

[Evan Britton]

Powerful.

[Unknown]

This is awesome.

[Evan Britton]

It's beautiful.

[Unknown]

Big Mike, hope to see you again.

[Evan Britton]

Appreciate you, man.

[Mike Tyson]

Thank you.

[Evan Britton]

This is beautiful meeting you, man.

[Unknown]

Mike, Amazing episode, brother. Hey, wait, where can people find you?

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah, tell us.

[Evan Britton]

Ewishously, W I S H O W E S and on Instagram or wherever. And then School of Greatness podcast.

[Unknown]

Awesome. Check it, y'all.

[Mike Tyson]

Why do you think we could we put greatness and wealth in the same category?

[Evan Britton]

I don't do that.

[Mike Tyson]

We know most people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Evan Britton]

You know, I think it's. I think they think of, like, wealth and success. The reason why, for me, it wasn't called school of Success, because I think that word is. I don't know. It's just not used that well. It's. It's tied around, like, money and accomplishments, where greatness, for me, is not about money, accomplishments. It's about service. It's about how can you use the.

[Unknown]

Sacrifice, Stepping into your highest self.

[Mike Tyson]

Yeah.

[Evan Britton]

It's about how can you use the gifts and talents that you were given that you were born with, to cultivate them and pursue a dream that you have. And in that pursuit, how can you impact the people around you? The maximum number of people.

[Mike Tyson]

For me, that's what we do about homeless people. What do we do about having homeless hotels? Imagine a hotel like Vegas, like like the MGM Grand, a 5,000 room hotel. Imagine something like that for the homeless. And as they go in the hotel they learn how to take care of the hotel, they learn how to handle it, take the people, they learn how to bellhop, they learn how to administration, they learn all that and then they build more hotels all over the world for homeless people to learn how to make live their lives.

[Evan Britton]

I think it's a great concept if they have the responsibility and want to do the work and want to show up and work. That's the challenge man.

[Unknown]

Well we'll have you on again and we'll go deeper on success and greatness. I think it's awesome man.

[Evan Britton]

I appreciate it man. Appreciate it. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full.

[Lewis Howes]

Rundown of today's episode with all the important links.

[Evan Britton]

And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally as well as ad free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our greatness+channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social.

[Lewis Howes]

Media and leave us a review on.

[Evan Britton]

Apple Podcasts as well.

[Lewis Howes]

Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review.

[Evan Britton]

I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward.

[Lewis Howes]

And I want to remind you if.

[Evan Britton]

No one has told you lately that you are loved, you are worthy and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great.

[Lewis Howes]

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