Rhonda Byrne: The Real Truth About Money, Manifestation & The Law of Attraction

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Rhonda Byrne: The Real Truth About Money, Manifestation & The Law of Attraction

Date: November 10, 2025
Host: Lewis Howes
Guest: Rhonda Byrne, bestselling author of "The Secret"

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Episode Overview

In this insightful episode, Lewis Howes welcomes Rhonda Byrne, creator of "The Secret," to delve into the real truth about money, manifestation, and the Law of Attraction. Rhonda shares personal stories from her journey, dispels common myths about abundance, and provides actionable advice from her newest book, "Countdown to Riches: 21 Days to Wealth Attracting Habits." With authenticity and profound wisdom, she guides listeners in shifting their mindset about money to create lasting abundance, happiness, and financial freedom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rhonda’s Journey: From Lack to Abundance

• Starting Point:
  • Rhonda reveals she was $2M in debt while making "The Secret" film:

    "I went into that $2 million in debt. I didn't have a dime, and all of that I realized was a reflection of where I was inside about money." (01:26)

  • She shares her past anxiety about money and her transformation through new mental habits:

    "I would go to bed at night and I would feel sick in my stomach not knowing how I was going to pay for my daughter's school fees... I'm breathing in the abundance with every step I take." (02:04–02:30)

2. The Core Principle: Mindset Creates Financial Reality

• Financial circumstances are effects, not causes:

  "Financial struggle is caused by our thoughts alone. It's not the result of your salary, savings, debt, or any other circumstance." (06:13)

• Most people think they’re thinking positively, but are caught in loops of lack:

  "If they're thinking money, money, money, they would have it." (07:01)
  "They're noticing the things that are wrong. They're noticing the lack." (07:08)

• Key insight: Awareness and control of your thoughts is essential to manifesting abundance.

3. Manifestation: How It Really Works

• Manifestation is simpler and more reliable than many realize:

  "I understand way more how it happens. And I also know that it's much easier than I thought when I wrote The Secret." (03:45)

• We tend to over-effort and thus reinforce lack:

  "Trying, of course, says that I don't have it yet." (04:48)

• Every action and outcome is preceded by a thought:

  "Everything is coming from the mental first. Every action we take is a thought first." (05:04)

4. Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and World Patterns

• Typical limiting beliefs around money:

  "You have to work really hard for money; money doesn't come easily; rich people are evil; we can't afford it." (14:40)

• Practice: When you see something you want, shift thoughts from "I can't afford it" to "I can't wait till I can buy that." (15:24)

5. The Power of Repetition and Subconscious Reprogramming

• The subconscious is changed through repetition—affirmations, gratitude, and visualizations are key tools:

  "The subconscious mind changes based on repetition...and that will override the beliefs." (17:45)

• Sleep-time affirmations are especially powerful:

  "The last thing that goes into the subconscious mind is belief...The next morning, $4,000 came into my life." (17:45–20:02)

6. Expressing and Feeling Abundance Before It Arrives

• Acting and feeling as if you already possess what you desire initiates manifestation:

  "You have to believe you have it Already...like your name, like they're your feet and hands. No separation between you and it." (16:12–16:41)

• Generosity and gratitude open the gateway to abundance:

  "Gratitude and generosity are the gateway to abundance." – Lewis (24:40)
  "Without gratitude...I don't know what your life looks like." – Rhonda (24:55)

7. Happiness as the Ultimate Frequency

• True abundance is first about happiness and well-being, not money:

  "The whole idea of this book is to be happy...I do not want anybody to make money their God." (25:56)

• Happiness is both a cause and consequence of manifestation:

  "To be feeling happy, you're on the abundant frequency…Be happy first and then you just watch what happens." (27:35–27:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"Trying, of course, says that I don't have it yet."
— Rhonda Byrne (04:48)

"If they’re thinking money, money, money, they would have it."
— Rhonda Byrne (07:01)

"Every action we take is a thought first. So if we did more mental preparation, that action would be so smooth and just flow."
— Rhonda Byrne (05:04)

"Gratitude is incredible... I used to have tears in my eyes, I was that grateful. That was my thing before I got out of bed."
— Rhonda Byrne (72:00)

"You can't look at the way things are and have it change. If you keep looking at the way things are, it's never gonna change."
— Rhonda Byrne (28:31)

"Judgment is the undoing of so many people’s lives."
— Rhonda Byrne (49:31)

"Your wish is my command: every thought you have, the law responds the same, no judgment. Whatever you think, you get."
— Rhonda Byrne (75:32–77:15)

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Actionable Habits & Practices

(Linked with Rhonda’s "Countdown to Riches" 21 Days to Wealth Attracting Habits)

1. Gratitude Practice

• Be grateful for money received—past, present, and future (36:22).
• Tie gratitude into daily tasks (tooth brushing, showering) for subconscious reinforcement (73:45).

2. Wish List & Visualization

• Create a wish list as if money is no object. Write out what you want (39:13–39:47).
• Visualize the feeling of receiving what you desire, as vividly as possible.

3. Wealth Affirmations

• Speak positive commands:
  • "I am wealth."
  • "Money comes to me effortlessly and easily." (45:24)
• Listen to affirmations as you fall asleep (17:45–20:02).

4. Reframe Outgoing Money

• Mentally convert every outgoing transaction into an incoming one; imagine you're receiving each amount (58:05–59:57).
• See payments as donations supporting others' livelihoods (65:11–66:58).

5. Monitor and Redirect Thoughts

• Witness your thoughts; catch yourself in lack, judgment, or negativity and consciously shift to abundance, kindness, and positivity (49:20–49:45).

6. Be Happy Now

• Practice happiness before external circumstances change; joy elevates you to the "abundant frequency" where manifestation is swift (27:08–27:49).

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Noteworthy Sections & Timestamps

• Early hardship & mindset shift – [01:26–10:14]
• The true cause of money struggle (thoughts) – [06:13–07:06]
• The ease of manifestation & over-efforting – [03:45–04:48]
• Reprogramming subconscious & affirmations – [17:45–20:02]
• Feeling & acting as if – [16:12–16:41]
• Being, not just having, financial abundance – [24:40–25:56]
• Creating a wish list & vision board – [39:13–41:19]
• Wealth affirmations & practices – [45:24–47:08]
• Value of gratitude, even in struggle – [72:00–74:51]
• Navigating negative environments & news – [53:00–55:24]
• Biggest struggles post-Secret & gratitude for healing – [78:44–86:56]

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Final Insights & Rhonda’s Definition of Greatness

• Worthiness:

  "They are worthy and deserving of everything really. I know that they're eternal beings... just chill and really just stop and smell the daisies." (92:45–93:20)

• Purpose:

  "The only real purpose is to discover who we are. Who we are is greatness multiplied by infinity—and how do you find who you are? Here now." (94:37)

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Conclusion

With warmth and conviction, Rhonda Byrne broke down the mechanics of abundance, urging listeners to focus on thought, gratitude, joy, and the feeling of already having abundance. Her practical methods demystify the Law of Attraction, offering listeners practical habits to shift their mindset and reality. The central lesson: abundance follows those who claim it with thought, gratitude, and a deep sense of worthiness—right here, right now.

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For further exploration, check out Rhonda Byrne’s "Countdown to Riches: 21 Days to Wealth Attracting Habits."

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(All quotes are verbatim from the original speakers, per the transcript. Timestamps provided for key segments and quotes.)

Transcript

[Lewis Howes]

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[Rhonda Byrne]

When we're actually making the film the Secret I went into that $2 million in debt. I didn't have a dime and but all of that I realized was a reflection of where I was inside about money. Everything is coming from the mental first. First whether we realize it or not, you believe you have it already. It manifests simple as that. Internationally renowned best selling author, creator and the executive producer of the secret sold 34 million copies. The one and only Rhonda Byrne.

[Lewis Howes]

What was your thinking like before you started to create more financial abundance?

[Rhonda Byrne]

I would go to bed at night and I would feel sick in my stomach not knowing how I was going to pay for my daughter's school fees. I used to walk outside, I'd walk down the street. I'm breathing in the abundance. I'm breathing in the abundance with every step I take. Because I knew my subconscious mind only had beliefs of lack about money and I knew the moment that I had overcome that money would never be a problem again.

[Lewis Howes]

How does someone get happy happy when everything has gone wrong in their life?

[Rhonda Byrne]

By not indulging in.

[Lewis Howes]

Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Rhonda Byrne in the house again. Welcome back.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Thank You, Louis. It's so good to be here.

[Lewis Howes]

Thank you. Oh, my gosh. You have really transformed the world with your work. I think over 35 million copies, I believe, of the book the Secret have been sold over 50 languages, and you've been multiple New York Times bestseller for multiple books. But the impact you've made around the energy of your work has really had a ripple effect in the world. And I think it's almost been 20 years since the Secret. Is that right?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

20 years since the Secret transformed the world, but also transformed your world and changed your life totally. I'm curious, after 20 years of impacting that many people's lives and really speaking about the topics you talk about, has anything shifted for you, you around manifestation, has anything changed for you around manifestation that is different now than it was 20 years ago with the Secret?

It is.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It's actually that I understand now more about how it happens.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Rhonda Byrne]

But the method is exactly the same.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I understand way more how it happens. And I also know that it's much easier than I thought when I wrote the Secret. Like, and I thought it was easy when I wrote the Secret, but now I'm just like, it's a piece of cake, really. Yeah. And I think one of the reasons that one of the things that trips people up is they try too hard. Like, they're trying too hard. But, you know, we deserve everything that we could possibly want. And so there's no, you know, the universe to be. To put it, you know, sweetly kind of. The universe wants us to have everything and to live a full life. And so, yeah, it's not a battle or anything like that. So I think sometimes we just, like, try too hard. And trying, of course, says that I don't have it yet.

[Lewis Howes]

Really.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Isn't there something around, like, I guess putting an effort or putting in focus or putting in some energy to developing a skill so that you can receive more of what you want? Or is it really as simple as just kind of let it go and allow things to come to you as. As they come?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Well, I think if you, you know, with the skill, like, you, you know, you can't just pick up a violin and be a maestro. Right, Right. So. And those kinds of things we all tend to love anyway. Learning things and accomplishing things and building, you know, businesses and all of those kinds of things. But we do not. We certainly do not need to put as much effort into all of that. Like, it. Everything. Everything is coming from the mental first. First, whether we realize it or not, it Is every action we take is a thought first. Every word we speak is a thought first. And so if we did more mental preparation before we took an action, that action would be so smooth and just flow, you know. And that's kind of the part that in the future civilization will definitely realize and get really good at. And there's an for people to get really good at it now. So life's not so hard.

[Lewis Howes]

You talk about the first thing in the book, your new book called countdown to riches, 21 days to wealth Attracting Habits, which I love.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Thank you.

[Lewis Howes]

In the beginning you say financial struggle is caused by one thing, which is what you're just sharing. It's not result of your salary, the lack of savings in your bank account, the amount of debt you have, or any other worldly circumstance. Financial struggle is caused by our thoughts alone. And I love that. But I already know people are going to say, who are listening or watching say, well, how can that be true for me? Because I think in a positive way, but I'm not receiving the money I want or I've been struggling in my business or career for years, or I don't have the opportunities. So I'm trying to think this, this way or I think this way, but the results are not coming. I love that. And I think that this is 100% true. But I already know people are going to be saying, okay, well I'm thinking money, money, money, but I don't have it yet.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Well, they, but if they're thinking money, money, money, they would have it.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And are they thinking more lack of money?

[Rhonda Byrne]

They are. They're noticing the things that are wrong, they're noticing the lack, they're noticing that the business isn't doing as well as it should be and they're kind of worried about that and they're not really noticing the amount of thoughts they're having around all of that. And so like we are we, you know, without having real control over your mind and be the witness of your mind. So not go down the rabbit hole with your mind, not get lured down, but be the witness of your mind. Then, then there will be a lot of thoughts that we're not even realizing that we're having them. And so most definitely like it's, I'm sorry, but it just is thought first.

[Lewis Howes]

And when you were, and when you were struggling before, before the business started to take off, before the book, before all these things really exploded, what was your thinking like that kept you in the situation you were in before you started to create more financial Abundance, Right. What was that for you? Like, do you remember back in the day what that was like? Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

I remember so clearly because that night that I discovered this, I just became so aware of my thoughts. Really absolutely 100% aware. I was aware of every thought. In fact, I thought back over my life and I thought, it's amazing that I'm still alive because I've thought a lot of negative thoughts. You know, talk to people about dramas and the things that you really. You don't want and where therefore you're inviting those things into your life. And yeah, I thought a lot about those kinds of things, but I became very, very aware of my thoughts. And when we were actually making the film the Secret, I was strapped financially. I went into that $2 million in debt from a previous project that we'd been doing. And I just, like. I mortgaged my home, I took overdrafts out on my business. I took my credit cards to the max. I didn't have a debt dime. And. And here I am making. I've been protected and I'm making this film. I did everything. I used to walk. I used to walk outside. I walked down the street. I'm breathing in the abundance. I'm breathing in the abundance with every step I take. It's all around me. It's here now. Like, I did everything because I didn't have enough money to pay my staff. And so. But all of that, I realized, was a reflection of where I was inside about money, the degree of lack that I had inside me, which was just from growing up normally, you know, people saying money doesn't grow on trees and all those things. And so, yeah, I really. I had all of that within me. And I knew the moment that I had overcome that money would never be a problem again.

[Lewis Howes]

Wow. So it was more overcoming your thinking around money or anything you wanted in your life.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It's overcoming your own thinking that was holding you back.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It's interesting because you, as you were saying that with every step I take, I'm breathing in abundance. This is all around me. It reminded me. Wasn't Bob Proctor in the Secret as well? He was, yeah.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

There was a quote that I read from him yesterday because we just re released an episode of his today. And this quote that he said that both faith and fear demand you believe in something you cannot see. You choose. And it's like if someone watching or listening right now who is struggling financially and they've never felt or seen financial freedom or abundance, it can feel really hard to understand. What that looks like and feels like. And so we can either stay stuck in the fear and the scarcity of this is just how my life is. It's hard, it's the struggle. It's going, I want this, I want this, but I don't have it. Or we can start shifting things differently like what you talk about in the 21 day guide. Well, to count down to riches, 21 days of wealth attracting habits on how we can start to reprogram the way we think and feel around money and anything really that we want in the world and having it sooner. And so where did that thought come in? Where you said with every breath I take, I breathe in abundance and I see it all around me with the opportunities. Did that, did you see that somewhere? Does that just something that came to you because you realized you needed to shift something inside of you and you're just going to try something new? Like how did that idea come to you?

[Rhonda Byrne]

I think it came from a book that I read, your Invisible Power by Genevieve Barand. And that book was written in the early 1900s and I had read just about every single thing of the New thought authors back then. I loved all of their work and that was a big time in our civilization where there is a real waking up of people and being very aware of how powerful their mind was. But then what was interesting after that is we kind of got sleepy again.

[Lewis Howes]

Why?

[Rhonda Byrne]

It just happens.

[Lewis Howes]

Is this going to happen? Waves kind of happens like that really. There's a consciousness and awakening and then.

[Rhonda Byrne]

A crash back to sleep. Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't know why I'm not going back to sleep. No way. No way. So but yeah, that's what happened. And I think she, Genevieve Baron said something like that. I did everything, I came up with every idea, every game, every single thing because I knew my subconscious conscious mind only had beliefs of lack about money. You have to work really hard and struggle because my father works so hard. He would leave at like 4 o'clock in the morning. He wouldn't get back till 7 o' clock at night. I mean he just worked so, so hard. So that's all that I saw when I was growing up. And, and so yeah, I knew that I had all of that in my subconscious and I had to override it. And the only way to override it is with repetition of prosperity and abundance. Which is why I wanted to do countdown. And the very thing that you were talking about, like somebody that's never seen riches doesn't know how that feels. That's exactly why I wanted to write this book. Because there are practices. There are 21 practices in the book, and each one is designed to just fit into your life. It's not anything hard that you have to take on. It just fits into your daily life. They're really, really simple. However, they are life changing. Yes, they're life changing. And I just think it's a lot of fun, too. I just think they're a lot of fun, but they're all the things that I did. These are the. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

These are the tools. These are the ones that help you unlock.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

I love this.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

What would you say again, you talk about in the beginning of the book about how thought is what's keeping us in lack of. What are the most common thought patterns that most people have that keep them feeling in lack for financial abundance?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Like all of the kind of work the world believes, like, you have to work really hard for money. Money doesn't come easily. And even some of those crazy things like, you know, rich people must be evil and they must be dishonest and we can't afford it. Right. All of those kinds of world beliefs. And they are. They are world beliefs.

[Lewis Howes]

What if someone's like, well, listen, Rhonda, I really can't afford this thing. This is like, this is too much to pay for something like this. It just seems like it's crazy. Like, how can someone shift their mindset from saying, easy, I can't afford this, to it being such an easy payment to make?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because they can say if they see something that they love, instead of saying, I can't afford it, they can say, I can't wait till I can buy that. I can't wait. Just, you know, and it's going to be soon. Right. You could just, like, be the opposite. Just like, pivot to the opposite of what it is. Because I'm certainly not saying and suggesting that you go and buy something that you can't afford. You don't need to do that. You just need to do it in your mind.

[Lewis Howes]

Interesting.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Not with your pocket, not with your wallet, just with your mind.

[Lewis Howes]

How does that look like, if someone can't physically afford something and they don't want to go into debt to buy something, Right. But they want to be able to in the future. How can they do that in their mind first, before they physically create it?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Just imagine the habit. See, that's a really tricky, tricky thing about the law. The really tricky thing about it, the kind of curly bit about it, is that you have to believe you have it Already, you've just got to. And so that you believe you have it already, it manifests. Simple as that.

[Lewis Howes]

If we don't believe that we can have something already, yeah, we have to have it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You've got to have it like your name. Like you have your name. You've got to have it like they're your feet and your hands. Like no separation between you and it. You know, if you have something like your home or the clothes that you're wearing, like there isn't a separation for you about those. They're one with you. That's what it's gotta be like. Like you already have it. Like, I already have that house. I already have that car. I already have that company. I already have that promotion. Yeah, I already have it. I can feel it. I see it in my mind. And that's all you have to do. I think Bob Proctor would say see it in your mind and hold it in your hand.

[Lewis Howes]

That's true.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Right.

[Lewis Howes]

So it sounds like it almost has to be three or four levels deep. You need to think it. You need to think that you have it. You need to feel that you have it. Yeah, you need to, I guess spiritually believe that it's yours as well. There's like these different layers. If you just think it but you don't believe it and feel it physically embody sounds like it's going to be harder to manifest.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It will just take longer. It'll take longer because the subconscious mind just. The subconscious mind changes based on repetition. Like it doesn't ob to anything. It just takes everything that we believe. And so all the beliefs we have in there, we put those beliefs in there, piled them in full of lack. And then all you need to do is basically writing a new program. And the way you write a new program is through repetition, right? Over, over, over. And that will override the beliefs. And so you will then have new beliefs. And you can really see in the world things starting to change. You know, you can just. You can. I certainly did. I noticed things changing, that things didn't break down so much or I would get a lucky break here or there or, you know, I did the, the audio. This book comes with just this incredible kind of secret passage to audio and which I had recorded. And they're all wealth affirmations to listen to as you're going to sleep. So I just received it and I thought, I'm going to listen as I go to sleep. And I've always used that time of night, which is why I suggest this practice. I've always used that time of night to say affirmations as I'm falling asleep. Because the last thing that goes into the subconscious mind is belief. It will be a belief. And as you're sleepy, your conscious mind is not really objecting to everything that's being said. So all these wealth affirmations are saying that you're wealthy now already, that you already have it. So I decided to listen. And I. And I, as I was listening, I thought, you're never going to fall asleep because you're listening to your own voice and you're listening to the way that you've said it, and you're being critical of the way that you've said it. Right. But I did. I fell asleep probably after about 10 minutes. And the next morning, $4,000 came into my life. I received $4,000 from a place I would never have imagined. And I knew immediately it was from listening to those affirmations.

[Lewis Howes]

Wow.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

That's amazing.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm curious. I'm curious about. I'm really thinking about people who are watching and listening, who maybe have never experienced the feeling of abundance, who have always felt a little bit of anxiety, a little stress, little. Lack, little. Not enoughness, little. It's hard for those that have never experienced what true financial abundance feels like embodied. How could you explain it to them? And how could they start to believe that they have something that they've never experienced in their body?

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They would if. If they like. I used to think that too. I've never been wealthy and when I was really short of money I was like, I've never been wealthy. So you know, how does that feel? I don't know how that feels. But then, you know, you look around at people that are wealthy. I mean, that's what I did. I looked at people that are wealthy and I knew that the more that my mind changed, the more people would come into my life who were wealthy. Right? Because you start to get surrounded by wealth. You get all these signs of land, you know, of. And so I would look at pictures, I would imagine things, I would watch movies that were kind of centered around that. Like there are a lot of reality shows I think, you know, with that that are kind of focused around wealth and things like that. Then you could look at and you could buy those really like architectural dig, write all those kinds of things and look at those things. And you could look in jewelry stores, you could look in, you know, I mean and just imagine that you walk into a store and what would it feel like if I could walk in here and I could just go, I'll have that and I'll have that and I'll have that and I'll have that. You know, if you could just walk in a store, what would that feel like to just say, I want this and this and this. And sometimes for people, the way to feel wealthy is to imagine helping out your family or friends with that money.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. I always say that gratitude and generosity are the gateway to abundance.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Absolutely.

[Lewis Howes]

And when you couple both of those together and you do these acts of service to other people and you're grateful instead of resentful, it just compounds it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Sure does. Yeah. Gratitude is. I. I really don't think without gratitude, I don't know what your life looks like. Because certainly there are people in the world that are not grateful, that have a lot of money, however.

[Lewis Howes]

But they're not rich.

[Rhonda Byrne]

No, they are not. They're not. Their health, their relationships, their, you know, their friendships. They are not rich in any of those things. And. Yeah. So. But I just think. I don't know, I just think there's.

[Lewis Howes]

One thing of being like having a lot of money, but it doesn't mean you're financially free.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

You could still be shackled to your money or to stress around it or to people trying to steal it from you or feeling not appreciated. You could still have all these emotions that make you feel lack not enough.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So you could have money in the bank, but be financially poor.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You could totally be. And this. And the whole idea of this book is to be happy. It's not to be, you know, anything else. And I am not. I do not want anybody to put. Make money there. God, no, don't do that.

[Lewis Howes]

No.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because you do that and that'll be whisked away from you. But to think that we don't deserve to think. To be in struggle, to be in pain, to be in fear. And I was all of those things. You know, I went through really difficult times. That's why I feel that I understand how people feel when they're struggling. Because I would go to bed at night and I would feel sick in my stomach not knowing how I was going to pay for my daughter's school fees and things like that. So I know what that feels like. And honestly, if. If I can change my mindset, anybody can. Anybody.

[Lewis Howes]

And something you talk about. I love this. I just opened the book. It says, feel happy Now. You have so many good moments throughout here that kind of trigger you into creating this abundance. And you mentioned this earlier about. This book is about teaching you how to be happy. Because when you're happier, you're healthier, you feel free.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

But if you're not happy because you're lacking something and you need to wait until that happens to feel Happy, it's probably never going to happen or you'll never feel happy when you get it. Also, and I think the real strategy is figuring out how to be happy. Even if you feel like you're not getting what you want, even if you feel like you're in stress, in lack, you're not creating what you want yet. Because that happiness, that joy, that feeling will start to attract more what you want.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Right, right, exactly. And the thing is that to be feeling happy, you're on the abundant frequency.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I mean, that's where everything you want is on that happiness frequency. It's like be happy first and then you just watch what happens.

[Lewis Howes]

Well, how does someone get happy when everything has gone wrong in their life?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. By not indulging in all of those memories and not milking those memories. But look for the ones that are better than that, the ones that make you feel good. And. Yeah, just. I don't know, just. Just making sure that you try and focus just a little, little more on the things that you want to happen. Because you can't look at the way things are and have them change. If you keep looking at the way things are, never gonna change.

[Lewis Howes]

Say that one more time. You can't.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You can't look at the way things are and have it change.

[Lewis Howes]

So what do we need to do in order to make a change?

[Rhonda Byrne]

You gotta look at where you wanna be. You have to look there, you have to be where you want to be. And then you. And you know, anybody that's been successful, that's all they've ever done. They've had a dream, they've had a goal, and that is what has pulsated inside of them every day. Every day to. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. They became it actually before it happened. Right. Everyone that's been successful, that is the formula. Because it's the only formula for creation. It's the only one.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. I mean, everyone with a goal or dream or vision, they didn't have it originally. It was an idea that they said, here's this dream or vision that I want to create in my life. And they had to become someone who could bring that to their life.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

You have to let go of something you have been holding onto or you have to start thinking in a new way to draw that to you is what I'm hearing.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. Thinking in a new way and thinking more about what you want than what you don't want. And you can tell what you've been thinking because you can Tell by the way that you feel, if you're feeling down in the dumps, if you're feeling kind of heavy and I really don't want to go to work today and all of that, then what has preceded that feeling is a whole lot of negative thoughts of what you don't want. But if you are thinking a lot of thoughts of what you want, you will feel happier, happier, happier, happier, happier. And then all of a sudden, things start to manifest and things change and you know, and you're like, whoa, I'm on a lucky streak. You know, this is happening. Just don't have the thought that this is too good to be true. Right?

[Lewis Howes]

What happens when you say this is too good to be true?

[Rhonda Byrne]

End it all.

[Lewis Howes]

Wow, man.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Nothing is too good to be true.

[Lewis Howes]

And what about the people that are watching or listening that say, you know, Rhonda, I've been thinking positively for years, but I'm still not manifesting what I want. What would you say to that type of individual?

[Rhonda Byrne]

I know they think they've been thinking positively, but the law is infallible, you know, it's infallible. So if you're thinking positively all of the time, then in your life, you're creating your life, so you're not creating somebody else's life. You know, things could happen outside of you, but in your life, if you are thinking positively, then everything around you should be 360 degrees change from what it was. It has, has been for me, you.

[Lewis Howes]

Know, it's something I, I feel like I had to shift my way of thinking from self doubt, insecurity. When I was much younger, my, my, you know, teen years, even early 20 years, and I was working really hard to get results, something shifted in me where I, I started to read more, I started to learn more. I got around wealthier people, found mentors, and I started to see their kind of behaviors and patterns and, and language that they would use. And I just started to say everything I want comes to me and I'm a very lucky person. Even when I didn't see it, I was just like, let me even it wasn't happening for me. I started to look for little micro ways that this was happening. How can I create luck and how can I stack wins over wins over wins? And all of a sudden I would just start saying like, I'm a very lucky person. And things come to me randomly and you know, I have good fortune in my life. I would just start saying these things and then I would look for the good fortune. Oh, look, here's a penny. It didn't even have to be a lot. Yeah, see, this is confirming. Here's a penny. Oh, someone complimented at me today. I'm a lucky person. I have good fortune, whatever it might be. I would just find any small act and be like, that is confirmation. And I wouldn't focus on the things that I wasn't getting. I wouldn't focus on maybe the. The struggle that I was going through as well or something, not working out and say, ah, here's confirmation that I'm not lucky. This person didn't email me back or this mentor turned me down. I wouldn't focus on the things that weren't working. Instead, I would say that just wasn't meant for me. That wasn't going to set me up for the thing that I really want. So I have good fortune. I'm a lucky person. People want to be around me, people want to bring me opportunities they want to give to me. And I would find the littlest confirmations and then those confirmations would expand into massive confirmations and I was just like, see, I'm a lucky person. And you do that year after year, decade after decade, you start to really stack abundance. And then appreciating that abundance has been something that I've been doing as well, as opposed to being frustrated when I'm not getting and appreciating and saying thank you, thank you, thank you. You have that in the book as well, where you say we should be talking to our money, saying thank you to money. I think that's what it says.

[Rhonda Byrne]

But it's like thank you paid and things like that. And thank you for the money. Yeah, thank you for the money that I've received. Because even if you are being grateful for the money that you've received in the past for the law, this is no different. It's like the law responds to that now. It's all now. It's just responding now. I mean, I love what you said because that's exactly the way it works. That's exactly. And what does that take to do that?

[Lewis Howes]

Not that hard. Not much.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It's not that hard because you were choosing to say those things instead of those things. So it's like there's this dear friend of mine in Australia and she comes from wealthy family and she's very sweet girl and I became very close friends with her. Do you know the words that would come out of her mouth every day, all the time? I am so blessed. I am so blessed in my life, Rhonda. I'm so blessed that's what she would say every day. Every day. And do you know what? Oh, my gosh. She was just blessed even more. Blessed even more. Blessed even more. I mean, that is the same kind of thing.

[Lewis Howes]

It's like a command.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yes, it is a command.

[Lewis Howes]

It's like you speak a command in your life.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yes.

[Lewis Howes]

And if you're speaking a negative command, you're going to confess, affirm, and receive that negative command in little or bigger ways, unfortunately. And, you know, the more you speak a command of what you want, the more likely you're going to create it. And our. And our. You know, I've heard a Navy SEAL say that our tongue is like a rudder. It's like whatever you speak, it's like directing you on the path. You're like a boat, and your tongue is a rudder, and it's guiding you where you want to go. So we have to be very intentional. Like, you talk about in your book about being grateful for the money you're receiving and not being. And I'll catch myself sometimes. It's not like I'm perfect at this.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Oh, yeah, we all do.

[Lewis Howes]

I catch myself sometimes where I'm frustrated about it not being a certain amount that I thought I was supposed to get or whatever it might be. And I'm like, now be grateful for this, because if I'm going to be frustrated about a certain amount of money coming to me, it's going to stop coming to me more. It's going to be like, why would money want to come to me?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

If I'm speaking badly about it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, you're going to be frustrated again, like something else is going to happen. Like, that frustration will attract more frustration around money and more frustration around money. So. And it's fast. You know, it manifests quite fast because that emotion is fairly strong. So. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And I love that you're kind of talking about. Throughout your book, you have these kind of moments to tell, to remind us of things. And you say, be grateful when you receive money. But you also said earlier, which I'm not even sure you're aware of, you said, be grateful for all the money you've received in the past. And you also have here, be grateful for the money you want, as though you've already received it. So it's almost like a trilogy. It's like, be grateful when the money comes in now, whether it's a penny you see on the street or $1,000 or $10,000, it's like, be grateful now. Now, as if you're receiving it. Like you just have. But also be grateful for what you got yesterday when you were younger last year. Appreciate that. And I love that you talk about being grateful for the money you're going to receive in the future. Yeah, it's coming my way. It's being present in the now, thanking the past of what's come to you and thanking the future for the money coming to you soon.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I love those three things like be grateful. It's actually an easy practice and it's one that's a little easier maybe for people who haven't felt abundance is to be grateful for something before you've received it. Because you're basically telling the universe that I have it. I mean I use it for everything, for absolutely everything. Like last night I went to sleep, you know, thank you for the great time I'm gonna have with Lewis tomorrow, you know, and thank you. You know, it was just, I just had the best, best time at Lewis. And so I do it all of the time as though I've already had it, I've already lived it and I'm thanking for it. And it's just, I don't know, gratitude is just incredible there. I think there are like three gratitude practices in there. I think you're right in saying that. And, and they're essential. They're essential. And all of these things are free. You know, they're like, it's, it's just all you're doing is you're exchanging these thoughts for these thoughts. But when you do that, your life will completely change. And on top of that, you're going to be happy.

[Lewis Howes]

That's the key.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You're going to be happy, you know, you're not. And the world will look different to you because when you're happy, you only come across happy people. You'll be like, these people are so nice and they were so helpful to me. And just every little detail in your life changes on the road. People let you in, you know, go ahead, go in, you know, go ahead of me. I mean it's a completely different thing like if I'm driving. And so somebody, and somebody in Australia we say toot the horn. What do you say here?

[Lewis Howes]

Honk the horn, honk the horn.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Right? And somebody honks straight away. I know, I'm like, what are you thinking? Where are you? You know, lift your frequency up. Be grateful. Yeah, I use everything, I use absolutely everything that's happening around me to, for me to know how I'm doing and where I am.

[Lewis Howes]

One of these daily wealth attracting habits that you have in Here is about creating your wish list.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And you say, and there's a quote in here from another author, it says, if you wish to eliminate lack, concentrate on abundance. Why should we create a wish list? That this is what we would want it to buy if money were no object. Like if we're like, oh, I have all the money in the world or I could buy anything I want, these would be those things. Why is that an important habit to practice?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because they'll manifest.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, they'll manifest. And all of the really, the incredible entrepreneurs and really great business people, they have a one year plan, they have a five year plan, they have a three year plan. And they write out things that would seem impossible, you know, to achieve and they achieve them. It's so powerful to write down where you want to be and where you're going. And you know what? It's nothing to it. Like, and in this case it is writing down the things that you want. It's no big deal. Just pretend, you know, just pretend. If money were no object, what would I do? You know, it's a real fun game. And then you write it down and then that's that. But then you watch, you know.

[Lewis Howes]

So, yeah, it's interesting you say that because someone on our team, Sammy, she's got a screensaver on her phone with her vision board that she created at the end of last year. So 10, 11 months ago.

Right.

And she was saying, I think this Monday on her team call, she was like, I have accomplished everything on my vision board except for one thing. These were all like dreams. Yeah, they were like, maybe it'll happen, I don't know. But it was just like it was a dream of what to do. She's like, I want to travel to France, I want to do this, I.

Want to be here.

And all these things have happened this year. And she's like, I've almost accomplished everything on my vision board and I want to go back and tell her, did you have big enough dreams? You know, it's like, think even bigger of what you wanted.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Totally.

[Lewis Howes]

Because you didn't know if you'd be able to accomplish these things.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

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Go big, Go bigger.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Think big. Go big, Think big.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You know, what have you got to lose? Think big. Go on. You know, and you can put lots of small things, you know, there too. You know, I want a new pair of Nikes or I want this, you know, think small things. But yeah, think big things. Because one of the tricky things I think with people is they haven't ever stopped to think about what they want because they think they can't have it. And so to think about what they want is too painful, you know, so they don't, they don't do a list. That's the last thing they want to do.

[Lewis Howes]

It seems so far away.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It seems so far away and impossible and it's just gonna make me feel bad that I can never have it because I was born here. You know, I don't get those lucky breaks like the person over here that's really lucky. And. Yeah, so that's why it's so great to write a list. Because for many people who follow this, I bet they've never written a list before of what they want. No limits. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

A friend and mentor of mine who told me, you know, he grew up without a lot of money. He lived in Southern California, but he was probably two hours away from the ocean. But he always dreamed of, like, having a house by the beach in the ocean. And he's like, when I was in my 20s, I would just visit the ocean and look at the houses. Then when I started to make a little money, I was still so far away from affording it, but I was like, what if I just rent the house for a day to experience what it's like being in that kind of property, looking out on the beach. And I think the closer we can get to dreaming it by writing it down and making a wish list and then getting closer to the experience. Even if you just touch it, touch the car you want to buy, touch the house that you want to live into, or rent the house for a night, you know, you can't buy the whole thing, but it's like, rent something like it and see what that experience feels like for a day, for an hour, for a moment. You can go on Sunset Boulevard and rent a Ferrari for 30 minutes if you want to. You know, for 100 bucks. Experience the feeling. Right. Get around the feeling so good. And you have a whole chapter in here about wealth affirmations. And one of them is money flows to me effortlessly and easily, and I have more money coming in than going out. What's another wealth affirmation that you really use or you like people using as well?

[Rhonda Byrne]

That I use. I use quite a lot. I love. I am wealth. Just that really short. I am wealth. Money comes to me effortlessly and easily. Is something that I say, something that I say all of the time. Yeah, yeah. Because just, you know, just so it flows. And one of the things about more money coming in than going out is that most people have more money going out than coming in. You know, if you're in debt, if you've got credit card debt, if you are really struggling with money, if you were living paycheck to paycheck and all of those things, I want everybody to know I lived all of those things. I was there. If you're there, I was there. I know what it feels like. And so if you're experiencing all of that, you can change all of that. You really can. And I'm not saying. Pardon me, I'm not saying to go and get. Go out and get three jobs and, you know, work 24 hours a day. I'm not saying that at all. Do what you love to do, most certainly, because what you love doing, what you love to do, you'll be successful at it. Because if you Love it. Love is just like the highest attractor that there is, you know, so if you love it, you're going to be successful at it. And as long as fear doesn't come in or I hope this lasts, this is too good to be true, you know, fear comes in, oh, it's not as good as it was last year, or, you know, all of those kinds of doubtful thoughts, you know, so you've got to stay on top of it. You've got to notice those thoughts and jump on them right away.

[Lewis Howes]

You would think that people would realize this sooner, that having love in your heart, being positive, being kind, grateful and generous and expressing that energy to everyone and everything around you is an attractor for opportunities. Not just around money, but creating beautiful relationships, having beautiful experiences in life. But when we think negative thoughts, when we have a negative attitude, when we have hate in our heart versus love, that energy is going to radiate and it's just not going to create beautiful opportunities for us. It is so clear. And I used to have a lot of negative thinking, but it is so clear for me that how I show up in the world with a positive attitude, a positive loving heart, gratitude and generosity only creates more of that in my life. And if I think negatively, negatively, if I think about gossip or I'm judging people, it's going to make me feel less than.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lewis Howes]

And it's going to block my abundance.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It will.

[Lewis Howes]

But why is it, if, if people know this and hopefully they know it, why is it so hard to do it consistently?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because I think you have to be very determined and you have to be diligent about your mind. And we're all in the same boat. Nobody has a free pass on this. You know, we all have really the same kind of mind, the same kind of thoughts coming up. It's just slightly different things in the subconscious. But we are all carrying a lot of world beliefs. You know, most of the beliefs are world beliefs. So you just need to, you really need to watch your mind and become the witness. And even if, even if you like, you start to, to somebody's talking to you and it's about some kind of gossip and you like, right into it. And then you're like, whoa, what am I doing? What am I doing? You can backtrack, just go back, just step back and say, you know what? You know what? We don't know the full story. You know, we're not in their shoes. You know, let's just bless them and get on with our life, you know, kind of thing and just be more like that. I mean, judgment is the undoing of so many people's lives.

[Lewis Howes]

Really and truly, judgment is the undoing.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Oh, the undoing.

[Lewis Howes]

What does that mean?

[Rhonda Byrne]

It means that people are judging all day long. And that is one of the most negative ways of thinking, is to judge others.

[Lewis Howes]

Why is judgment one of the most negative ways of thinking?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because there's only one being. Even though it seems like there's a lot, that seems like there's 8 billion or however many billion, it seems like there's all these different people in terms of the law, there's only one. And so when you are critical of another, you're actually being critical of yourself. The law is hearing. It's all about you. So when you're kind, you say, and when you're generous and when you're grateful, all of that, even though you're giving it out so sincerely to somebody else, actually, the law is just all for you. It's all coming back to you, to you, to its source. When you hate, when you criticize, when you complain, when you blame, when you judge, it's all coming back to you. And it is not pretty what can happen, you know, on those frequencies. It just isn't pretty. So we've got to be diligent, you know, We've got to watch our mind, and we have to pick ourselves up. And I've done it. You know, I've done it. Like, I watch my mind. And. And even sometimes I would. I'd realize a couple of days later that I had done something. I'm like, oh, no. Oh, I know. So do you know what I'd do? I would go back in my mind to that situation. I would replay it in my mind, and I would not do what I did. I would take the positive path, and I would replay that, and so I would cancel it out.

[Lewis Howes]

Some people watching or listening right now might be like, man, you're a great time traveler. You know, it's like you're this spiritual, emotional time traveler traveler. And they might think that sounds a little weird, but I've done a lot of that in my life where I've had to heal memories and wounds of the past that had blocked me, that made me feel frustrated or resentful or holding on to grudges. And I've had to go back in time in my mind and almost relive those moments as an adult and as the version of myself at those time periods and kind of create a new harmony with myself, like a healing process that allows me to Feel at peace internally. And if I was listening to this when I was like 16, I'd be like, who is this Lewis and Rhonda person? These guys are like, weird, right? I'd have been like, that just sounds like a little strange. But I will take strange all day if it gives me peace.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, exactly. And I think that practice was a practice of Neville Goddard's, one of the new thought leaders, and he called it the pruning shears of revision.

[Lewis Howes]

And what does that look like?

[Rhonda Byrne]

And that's when you go back and you relive it in the way that you wanted it to be. You just go back. But you see for the law, there's only now. Right. And so you go back in your mind and you relive it and you correct, you make it go a different way. And I would do that until I didn't feel any bad feeling inside anymore. And then I'd know that I'd done it. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

You're talking about on page 150, you say the laws of nature and the spiritual laws all operate in the present moment. Now, what you just said right there.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And I wanted to ask you, how does our environment, our community, or even the energy of others influence what we attract?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Only if we. They influence us. Only if we buy into it, really. Right. So if we, if we buy into, oh, some negative situation, like, we've really got to be very, very picky about what we let into our life and the kinds of people that we have around us and whether we want to listen to the news and whether we want to, you know, all of those things. Like we have to be picky about it. And if you can listen to something and not have. Have any emotional charge around it, you're good. You're good.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Rhonda Byrne]

But if you have an emotional charge, it's going in.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. You have to keep a neutral energy.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

You receive information.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yep.

[Lewis Howes]

Which is really hard to do if you're empathetic or compassionate and you really care deeply.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And you see trauma or pain or suffering or murder or wars and you feel the pain. And I'm not saying you should, you know, you should not have compassion for what's happening in the world. But I don't think we should be entertained by the news and allowing it to affect us that much, where it holds us back every day after every day thinking the world is horrible and, you know, what's the point of all this? And you're just like in doomsday all day.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, that's right. And it's not like that at all. The world is not like that. News is focused on the whole hotspots.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Rhonda Byrne]

You know, I worked in news. I know it's focused on the hotspots. And you know, we would, with a camera, you know, if there was a fire, we would look for the biggest, like flames. Even though across the street was totally good, you know, we'd be looking for the really big stuff, dramatic stuff. Oh, yeah. It's like a little bird's eye view of what is really, really bad. And so they, they are the hotspots and on the rest of the planet. My God, it's so beautiful. It's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. And there are way more. Way more really wonderful, wonderful people who are kind and who have a big heart than there are people that are not. You know, I. The world is full of really beautiful people.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. And so the news doesn't make us feel like that. And it's exactly what you, you know, oh my God. The world's, you know, the world is just had it. I've friends who. The first thing they'll say to me is, how do you feel about the world and everything that's going on in the world? And I'd be like, it's all on track and unfolding exactly as it should be. It's all fine. It's all fine. It's a really good outcome to this. Really good for everyone. Yeah. For everyone who's ever lived and who's living and who will ever live. It's a really good outcome. It's all cool.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Speaking of people who have lived and who are no longer with us, does the law of attraction still apply after death?

[Rhonda Byrne]

It applies after death.

[Lewis Howes]

And do you believe our energy continues after we die in creating beyond the physical world?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Certainly law of attraction plays a part in death. But after that, after. And the frequency we go out on is the frequency we come back in.

[Lewis Howes]

Interesting.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. So it makes a big difference what you do in this life. Don't waste it, really. But the in between part is. And for some, that in between part is nothing. It's like a day, an hour. It's nothing. You know, it depends how attached you are to the world. If you really attach to the world, you'd be bouncing back really fast because that attachment will bring you back. So law of attraction is definitely on the way on, on the way out in terms of creating your life. But then your frequency and what. And how conscious you are when you go out is the consciousness that you have when you come back in. Therefore, it would be the kind of country you come back into or the kind of parents you have or.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah, got it. What would you say is the difference between wanting more money and being aligned to money?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Ooh. Well, being aligned to wanting more money is you don't have it. Right. And being aligned with it sort of suggests you've got it. So I think being aligned is better.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. Is better. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

How do we start to align ourselves to money in another way that we haven't talked about yet? Is there any other way that we should be thinking about this?

[Rhonda Byrne]

One of the things, one of my favorite practices in that book, and it's.

[Lewis Howes]

Probably.

[Rhonda Byrne]

One of the simplest, but also one of the hardest because it requires you to be very mindful. And so it's turning outgoing money into incoming money.

[Lewis Howes]

How do we do that?

[Rhonda Byrne]

And so you do it by. Every time that money goes out in your mind, you pretend, you make believe that that money, that you're receiving that money.

[Lewis Howes]

It's like a check or someone's handing you money.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So I've got to write a check for or a few hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars, and you write that check for a bill.

[Rhonda Byrne]

But then you imagine that you're saving it as you give it. You're, like, imagining you're receiving it.

[Lewis Howes]

What happens when we make that imagination, when we spend money? We're receiving it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because then your money's going to increase dramatically. Yeah, yeah. So take you really big amounts that you pay out for, like rent, you know, of a studio and that kind of thing. And when you give it out, as you give it out, just imagine that you're receiving it and be grateful. Thank you. Thank you for this money. And I'm talking about when you get your coffee, when you fill up with gas, when you go to the supermarket in your whole day, every time you hand your credit card over, every time you pay up money, imagine that you are receiving that money instead. The difference, like, you do that one thing, one thing alone. Because why? Because most people, when they're paying out money, they feel bad, right? They're like.

[Lewis Howes]

Like what? Like I'm losing this money.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. I'm. Now I'm not going to have. How am I going to have enough for. To pay the rent? Or, you know, when they go to an ATM and they look at their balance and they're like, oh, how am I going to have enough to do this or enough to do that?

[Lewis Howes]

That.

[Rhonda Byrne]

So when you do this practice, it's actually making you think about receiving money and being grateful to Receive money. And you are at the same time taking out all of those negative feelings about lack. That is a big attractor. So it's good.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Because when you feel bad, I mean, I guess a lot of people have a trigger when they spend money. It makes them feel good for a moment. Right. It's like I'm buying this thing to feel good.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Because I'm lacking the feeling good already. So this thing's going to make me feel better. But then you're like, oh, I don't wanna look at my bank account. Cause I realize how much money I'm losing that I don't have in there anymore. So I'm either afraid of that looking at it or I feel bad later that I spent that money. So then I go spend a little bit more to feel good on something else to get that feeling again. Right? Yeah, I've had that for sure before.

[Rhonda Byrne]

And vacations.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh yeah, right.

[Rhonda Byrne]

A lot of people will, they'll go on vacation and they'll be like they're putting the half the vacation or all the vacation on the credit card. They don't even want to think about it. You know, they're going on a trip, a world trip or whatever. And you know, the credit cards here, there and everywhere and they come back to all this debt, all of this debt. So.

[Lewis Howes]

So if you go and buy something to feel good in the moment, but then you put yourself in debt and then you feel shameful later, you feel guilt. What, what happens with that? That transfer of energy.

[Rhonda Byrne]

More money is taken from you. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

You go into more and more debt.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It is because you, because you're in lack, because you're focused on lack. So we attract whatever we're thinking. So if it's lack, we attract more lack. And that can look like things breaking down. The bill being way bigger than you thought, three times bigger. You know that this, that you need all the time. Your insurance has gotten like doubled. You know, this has happened, the healthcare has gone like all of those things. There are so many areas of lack that you can bring into your life. And the thing is, when you focused on those things, you're inviting that. That's what you're doing. You're inviting it into your life. We don't realize, you know, that's inviting. Like the universe is like, I'm gonna give you whatever you want, whatever you want. You just think it and I'm going to give it to you. And I'm not going to make any judgment about whether you want it or not. I'm just going to give it because that's how special you are.

[Lewis Howes]

So if you're thinking frustration or lack, it's going to give you more of that.

[Rhonda Byrne]

More lack.

[Lewis Howes]

I was talking to someone that I know recently who said their rent went up like $500 a month and they were looking to use that money to go, you know, get a lease on a new car. That would have been 500 bucks a month, but then they decided not to because it's going towards the rent. Let's say someone watching or listening has a bill that increases recently. How can they reframe in their mind about the increase of payment that they have to pay now or they get to pay now in order to make it a positive spin rather than oh my gosh, I'm already struggling financially, now I've got to pay more for the phone bill, more for the electricity, more for the home insurance, whatever it is. How do we reframe that and say, you know, so it's a positive reframe?

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[Rhonda Byrne]

And I did this practice. I did this practice. I would, as I paid it out, I would, first of all, pretend I'm not paying a bill, but I'm donating. I'm donating this money because I love this organization. This organization gives fantastic service and I'm donating it. And by donating this money, what is going to happen? I'm going to help to put food on the table of all the employees, including all those truck drivers. I'm going to help to pay for the children's, you know, school, school books and things like that. I'm going to help to pay for their mortgages so they've got safety and security in their home. And, you know, writing in donating this money, I'm even helping them, you know, go on vacation. All of the people that work for this organization, I feel really good about that and really, really feel it. I used to do it and I used to just feel so teary because I would think about, and that is, you know, your money is going into their salaries. Like, it's not a wild claim. It is doing all of that, like with a company or everything they receive is going, yes, they have profits, profits, but they're paying all their employees. And their employees use that money to put food on the table, to look after their children, to pay for that medical thing or whatever. Feel the good that you're doing. And I would always, always, always I'm donating this money.

[Lewis Howes]

I love that reframe because it's reclaiming your power of your energy rather than it being frustrated. Have to keep spending this every month or it just went up. It's shifting your energy from frustration to empowerment.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

And when you shift your energy from frustration to empowerment, people feel that energy. When you're around them, you have a better attitude, you have better energy, and then it brings better opportunities or better engagements with the people around you. You're impacting people in a more positive way. And so you may not have money coming to you right away that way, but you're going to feel happier. And I think that's what this is all about is feeling better, feeling happier so you can attract what you want.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, it is, it's you Know, ultimately, like. Pardon me. Ultimately, all we want to do is feel happy.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Rhonda Byrne]

That's it. You know, we don't. We. We think that if we have all of these things, then I'm going to be happy. And, you know, a lot of people have told us that when they got all of those things, they're in real trouble.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Why? Why is that?

[Rhonda Byrne]

They're in real trouble because they weren't happy.

[Lewis Howes]

And this doesn't make them happy.

[Rhonda Byrne]

And they thought that dream. They had that dream all their life and they're like, once I have that, once I get there, then I'm going to be happy. And then they got the success or whatever and they got there and they're not happy.

[Lewis Howes]

Now you're really screwed.

[Rhonda Byrne]

And now they're empty because they're like, yeah, exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

Now you're really screwed.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Totally. Because where do I go now? I don't have a dream anymore. And. Yeah. And I know a few people that. That has happened to and that, you know, got really depressed and. Yeah. And they've had everything that they always thought was going to make them happy. So happiness is really all that we want in the end.

[Lewis Howes]

It is.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. We only want those things because we think we'll be happy having those things.

[Lewis Howes]

It truly is a. You know, there's. There is something for, you know, gratitude, prayer before moments, setting an attention before a meal and saying, thank you for this food, thank you for the people that prepared this. Thank you for the people that thank you for the money that allowed me to. By this. Thinking of the process of you receiving food and thanking it, thanking the animals, thanking the plants, whatever it might be, being grateful for it. There's a process of appreciating that brings you more joy. When we are grateful, when we are appreciative, it brings us more happiness and joy and peace. And that unlocks opportunities.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Oh, it does. Yeah. It just. Your whole world will change, you know, and even if. Even if you're starting out with this and you start to have these positive thoughts and. And then you think, you know, you're like, I feel like I'm lying. Like, I don't really feel all these things. Don't you worry. You just keep going. You just keep saying all those positive things because it will not be long before you're feeling them. So just keep at it. Keep doing it. Keep looking for the positive, and then you're going to feel it. Then you will feel it.

[Lewis Howes]

It.

And I know, and I'm. As you're saying that, I'm reflecting back When I was like 24, 25, sleeping on my sister's couch, broke, had no money, three credit card, living off three credit cards, student loan debt, and relying on my sister to feed me every day, it doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good when you can't provide for yourself, when you can't take care of others. It doesn't feel good. So I remember this season of life vividly. And I remember probably six or seven months where I was feeling very low, right. I was like believing the situation I was in. I was confirming it over and over again. I was frustrated and I was playing the victim role of, look what happened in my life. Yeah, right, right. And I was living in that.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. No, and then it gets worse, right? Whoa.

[Lewis Howes]

But I remember I said, I have a decision to make. I can stay in this and stay on my sister's couch and stay stuck on credit card debt.

That.

And there is some validation that comes with playing that role. Like, some people will come and say, oh, yeah, your life is hard, or here's a little money, you'll get some, like, sympathy or attention for playing that role. Like there's some benefit to staying there. Right.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Some people feel good in that role.

[Lewis Howes]

They feel good in it. I didn't feel good. No, it didn't feel good to me. I remember just feeling like, how am I going to live my life and how am I going to get a girlfriend or anything? I was like, how am I going to. I can't provide for myself. Do I want to live on my sister's couch forever? I want to feel like I'm a grown man that can take care of myself, but I couldn't. And I just remember said, I'm going to do whatever it takes to shift my energy on a daily basis and I'm going to be grateful for what I have instead of complaining. I'm going to be grateful for my sister, grateful that I have a couch to sleep on, grateful that she's given me food that I can have right now and appreciate it. Anytime I get a chance to meet, meet a potential mentor, I'm going to be very curious and attentive and thanking them for their time, appreciating it. The more I appreciated other things and people and environments, the more I appreciated in value with those people and they wanted to support me. More and more opportunities came to me and so I just really believe I want to focus on this so much that gratitude, appreciation, feeling good even when you don't feel good, good is part of the process to Creating more of what you want.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yes. And you're not going to, you know, if you're on a lower frequency, if you're really down in the dumps and you're on a. You're on a low frequency. When you start to be grateful for things, you are not going to feel it because you're on that low frequency. But every single thing that you do is going to. Every thought you have, every grateful thought will lift you a little bit higher, a little bit higher, a little bit higher. And you know what you're going to. And it's really fast. It's not that it's going to take you months, not at all. It's really fast. Like, I would defy anybody to do gratitude in the morning. And you just watch what happens in the afternoon of that day. You know, you be really grateful to the point where, I mean, I used to have tears in my eyes. I was that grateful. That was my. Yeah, that was my thing that I would, before I got out of bed, I would go through all of the things that I'm grateful for. And I would do it until I had tears in my eyes because then I knew that my heart had melted. And you really, really do it until you feel it. Until you really feel it. And then you watch what happens. You can change a whole day. You can change, change everything. And that is just from a tiny little thing, you know? So like when you're getting ready is maybe a good idea. And it's, it's often a good idea to tie it into one of your daily tasks. Like when I get dressed or when I have a shower or when I'm cleaning my teeth. Something that you're doing every single day. This is when I do this. Because the subconscious mind will take that. This is a habit. You do it for like three or so days and the subconscious mind will then kick in and remind you and give you the thought, you've got to be grateful. And you remember when I'm cleaning my teeth, I'm being grateful for this and this and this, this. And so if you tie it in for a start, you're thinking thoughts of gratitude and you're stopping negative thinking. Like, that's one of the things I think in listening to the wealth affirmations that as when people get into bed at night and they're falling asleep, that is one time when they are thinking about all the things that went wrong that day and how they should have handled this better, that better that went wrong, that didn't happen the way that I wanted it to happen. And, you know, how on earth am I going to, you know, get more money or whatever?

[Lewis Howes]

And.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Or then they're dreading tomorrow, so they're going to bed with all of these thoughts of kind of regurgitating everything that happened in that day and then projecting that into the next day. But when you're listening to these affirmations and you are listening. Right. You've got to listen because that gives the mind something to do. You're going to wake up happy. And the reason you're going to wake up happy is because you didn't think any negative thoughts as you went to sleep.

[Lewis Howes]

It's true. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you say in the book that gratitude multiplies money. And we're talking about joy, happiness, gratitude. These are all free things.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Free. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It doesn't cost money. You don't have to go buy something to develop a tool or get some new skill set. That takes a ton of time and energy. This is literally in a shift in a second and repeating that shift throughout your day, weeks and years, and that energy will expand. There's another part of the book where you say, your wish is my command. What is this process of asking and receiving, and you call it, your wish is my command.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Okay. Because I use an example of Aladdin and the Genie.

[Lewis Howes]

You got this in the book. Yeah, with a little lamp and money coming out of it, which I like.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. And in Aladdin and the Genie, in the current story is it gets three wishes, but the original story was unlimited wishes. Because this was a story that was created to show how life works. Yeah. And so if you think of universal law, whatever you want to call it, the law that governs our mind, when you think of that law, that law is governing your mind at all times. So. And it is operating only on one thing, your thought. Like, it is sometimes called, like in the east, it's like, called the law of karma. So it is operating only on your thought. That is it. And so whatever you think, the law says, your wish is my command. I don't want to go there. I don't want to do that. My boss is really mean to me. He's never kind. He's just. Every time I go to that supermarket cost me way more than I ever want. Fuel's gone up again. I can't believe it. You know, I'm taking all that back in. I'm very grateful for the fuel. I'm grateful for the supermarket. I'm grateful for all of those things. But you're saying Those things. Every single thought, you say, your wish is my command. Your wish is my command. You just asked for it. You just commanded it. You're just getting it.

[Lewis Howes]

And you. Are you saying it to yourself then are you saying, if you're asking for it, do you also reply to yourself, yeah, wishes, my command.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I. I know that the Law is responding with.

[Lewis Howes]

It's saying, your wish is my command. Got it? Got it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. So that's for all of us. Every single thought, you know, so every thought. That's why when you're grateful, when you're grateful for something and the universe says, your wish is my command. Because whatever you are grateful for, you're going to get more of it, is going to multiply.

[Lewis Howes]

I believe that.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. And so when you're kind, my. Your wish is my command. You know, when you say something kind, when you're nice to somebody, when you help them out or, you know, you just do something, like, it makes you feel so good, you know, to just do. Especially to do something for strangers. Like, there's that in the book too. Just. I mean, it just makes you feel really, really good and brings you out of your head and all of those thoughts and everything and just brings you into your heart. And if we were more in our heart rather than in our head, it'd be really different world.

[Lewis Howes]

What has been the biggest struggle you've faced over the last 20 years with all the success that has come into your life? Because it sounds like before the Secret, you weren't as prepared to receive a lot as you are now because you were struggling. Like you were getting some wins here and you were growing, but then you were struggling financially and it was like, it was work. It was like a struggle. It sounded like like you were able to figure out life in certain ways and accomplish certain goals, but it wasn't like this.

Freedom.

What has been the biggest challenge in the last 20 years of having the success that you have through the Secret and the platform you've built that you've had to overcome.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Wow. I can think of so many before the Secret, but not as many after the Secret.

[Lewis Howes]

Because a lot of people think about the. The weight of gold, the pressure of success, the attention, the awareness about you. People are coming after you or now this or whatever's happening.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Morning. Oh, okay.

[Lewis Howes]

Did you have to.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, I had to modify things when the Sega was first released. Yeah. Because I would get, like, stopped in the street and. But all of that was really beautiful because it wasn't like I was any celebrity. People were like, my mother gave it to me and they were all, it was so beautiful, telling me everything that had happened in their lives. But, you know, if I went out to a restaurant, you know, I'd have a lot of people coming up to me and everything.

[Lewis Howes]

But did you ever sabotage or, like, say, wow, this is way too much? Like, did you ever think, this is way beyond my wildest wishes? Like, it's so much abundance. Maybe I should not have as much? Or did you ever have a, like, a thought that brought you back or that held you back in any way?

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[Rhonda Byrne]

No, not like. No, that's good. Not like, oh, this is. This is too much like I don't.

[Lewis Howes]

Deserve it or something like that.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I mean, I just responded by, I moved. I was living in at that time, I was living in Santa Monica and I moved out, which is really what I wanted to do, like, be more peaceful in a more spiritual place. So I, I did that and I didn't really want to change things. I mean, there have been, you know. Oh, actually, no, I think, you know, I think about My mother passed and, you know, that's like. That's an incredible story because my mother, My father died really suddenly. So it was 2004, toward the end of 2004 that I discovered the secret. But my father dying on the 1st of March was the downhill for me, really.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh, well, what year is this?

[Rhonda Byrne]

This was 2004. And I just. That was the first thing that happened. And then. Oh, my gosh, it was just one thing after another. I was making all these movies for television and. Oh, and they were about murder, the worst possible subject. And so I was. My health, everything, my friends, everything. I kind of lost almost everything. And that was how I like, collapsed in despair. And. And that's when. The night that I discovered a secret. But really, my father had died on the 1st of March. And so my mother, that night, she called me. My accountant called and said, you've. You're $2 million and you're going to be. And you're going to lose everything in 30 days is what he said to me, was the first phone call. I hung up the phone. I think it was a hard line. Then I hung up the phone and straight away it rang and I thought it was him again. And I said, hi. And he. And it was my mother, who I could not recognize because she was so distraught with grief and she's really tough, but she. She was done. She was done. And she was really young, so. So anyway, she. I just. I kind of got her as good as I could. I told her I'd be. She was a long way away, so I told her I'd go and see her the next day. And I hung up the phone and that I honestly, I just collapsed in despair because I've always, like, fixed everything. All my life, I fixed everything. I was the oldest child and I was just like, I'm responsible, you know, I gotta fix it. I'll fix it, you know, I'll sort it. I could not fix this. Like, these two things that happened. I was. There was no way. Like, I couldn't. And I just. I really just collapsed in absolute despair. And. Yeah. And that's when my daughter handed me the. The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles on photograph paper all screwed up. And I, you know, 90 minutes, my life changed. Really changed totally. Absolutely. I knew everything when I read that book. I honestly. I knew we didn't die. I knew everything. And it's not in the book. It's not in the book, but I knew it. Like, I was just like this massive kind of download. But what I wanted to say was I went to my mother and so I realized all of these things, but what I gave to her was gratitude because he had one whole chapter of gratitude in his book.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. And so I went to her and I gave her gratitude and I said, mum, this is what you need to do. Oh, my gosh, you should have seen what happened to her life. And she only used gratitude.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah, she. She just. She just got like. She was really struggling for money. Money just came from everywhere. She had. She was saying, all these marks on my body are just disappearing. You know, I've got. I've had all these things for my life and they're all just gone. And she was so happy. She traveled the world. She did all these, you know, incredible things, and she did it all from gratitude. Yeah. So. But, you know, I was thinking about. Well, what about, you know, when my mother passed, but. But even then, you know, I always imagined. I always thought, how am I ever going to be on the planet without my mom, really? You know, she was just like, you know, best friend. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. All I can say is make the most of every minute. But do you know what I did, really? I told my mother because after I discovered the secret, I used every moment. I would recollect things in my childhood and tell her how much it meant to me what she did and how incredible she was on our vacations and. And thanked her for everything she did, because those vacations were incredible. I just. One thing after another after another. So when she passed, I didn't. There was nothing unsaid that's good. You know, that's a big deal. And I knew she didn't die, you know, so. And she knew she didn't die, which was really great. She was not afraid. God, my mother, she died just. She just went out of here in grace. Absolute grace.

[Lewis Howes]

Wow.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. She. She was incredible. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Well, that's beautiful.

Wow.

I have a lot of peace in my heart right now just listening to you and hear this whole process, because I think a lot of people are struggling and suffering in the world right now, and it sounds like you were going through a really struggle, suffering moments. You had a lot of things that were kind of knocking you down before you had this big breakthrough through, before you had this download, this awakening, this knowing around the secret and what it would create for you and create for others. Do you believe that suffering plays a big part in people's lives around what they need to learn to create more abundance and freedom. What's your thoughts around suffering?

[Rhonda Byrne]

It's funny, isn't it? Because, you know, I hit rock bottom and when we were making the secret film and I was reaching out to all of these incredible teachers that I'd read all of their books and everything, they were like heroes to me. They wanted to know before they agreed to do the documentary, what was my story. And so my sister, who was handling that part of the production, would tell them exactly what happened, and they would say, I'll do it because. Because I hit despair like that. Like, do you know they were like, sleeping in phone booths. They were homeless. They were. They had nothing. All of these teachers, they were all abundant and. And so they knew that if I had hit rock bottom like that, that that was genuine, that I really, really did have, like, this awakening. And. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So do you think people need to go through suffering in order to create abundance?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Not at all.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay. It just happened for some people. But it doesn't have to happen.

[Rhonda Byrne]

It doesn't have to happen.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Rhonda Byrne]

That's. That's really why I think I do what I do and probably what you do, what you do, right?

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Because it doesn't have to be like that at all. No. Suffering doesn't equal, you know, life. Life getting better. It just. That's the way it happened for me, because I was misfix it.

[Lewis Howes]

But you also had to make a choice to get out of that suffering.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I did.

[Lewis Howes]

You had to choose and then choose daily.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I did.

[Lewis Howes]

Because you could have stayed in that suffering.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. And I mean, I did things like. Like I had reading glasses on at that time, and this was like 20 years ago. So I was using glasses to read books and, you know, reading. And I would have them on and off and on and off. And then the moment I discovered the secret, I was like, like, oh, that's a belief. Oh, my God. I would just hear all the words, you know, oh, I'm getting older now. I need glasses. You know, would you wait? You see? You know, and so I took all of the situations where I struggled to see in restaurants with dim lighting, on a. On a plane, you know, when the lights are all off. I took all of these things and I imagine myself seeing clearly. And my mantra was, I can see clearly. I can see clearly now. This is how kind of wet behind the ears I was, because I expected when I came out of my visualization, I expected that. I didn't need my glasses. I was like, I'm not going to need these glasses. But it took three days.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

And I've never used them.

[Lewis Howes]

Really? How long were you using glasses for before that? Like reading glasses?

[Rhonda Byrne]

I needed to up them so about five years and I needed to like take them up to the next level.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah. Yes.

[Lewis Howes]

And so you made a command.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I sure did. And you know what? I had no doubt. I knew. I absolutely knew. And one of the doctors who was in the secret film, when I told him what had happened, he said, do you have any idea what had to happen to your eyes for you to be able to see like that? And I said, no, thank goodness. I know it. Because if I knew that, then it would be impossible.

[Lewis Howes]

Right, right.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I just had absolutely no doubt. Oh my gosh. That was a belief. I can just change that.

[Lewis Howes]

That's beautiful.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

What did Bob Proctor say? If you can see it in your.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Mind, you'll hold it in your hand.

[Lewis Howes]

You'll hold it in your hand. And you had this. Even though you weren't able to see at that moment in your mind, you were able to see it.

[Rhonda Byrne]

I could. I knew it.

[Lewis Howes]

And then I guess you didn't have to hold reading glasses in your hand anymore. So you could, you could release that. If you can see it in your mind, you can hold it in your hands. You have this book, countdown to riches. 21 days of wealth Attracting Habits. The thing that I love about this the most, as you can go through this in probably an hour, it's beautiful, it's a visual experience and it gives you very simple practices every day for 21 days to create power in your life and to create you more tools to feel better and to create a better experience in your life as well. And if you do this and you follow this every single day for 21 days and then keep repeating it, you're going to create more opportunities in your life. I know it. So I want everyone to get this book, countdown to riches. 21 days of wealth Attracting Habits by our good friend Rhonda Byrne, who is the creator of the Secretary. And I'm assuming many people here have watched our previous interviews. And you probably have her books as well, but make sure you get a copy for yourself. Get one for a friend. Is there anything else that's on your heart or mind that you think people should really know before we wrap things up?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Probably. Probably just that they worthy and deserving of everything really. And I know that they're eternal beings. They might not know it. You know but they are eternal beings and they've done a few rounds around here. But yeah, just, just chill and really just stop and smell the daisies, as they say, and, and just, just do your best to be here now.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah, right.

[Rhonda Byrne]

And not let your mind take you to the past and project into the future, but just like, just be here now because, oh my gosh, here now is just really is divine.

[Lewis Howes]

It's beautiful. Rhonda, I want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up and creating tools, teaching books, content that inspire, that impact, that help us become better in our lives. This is a powerful one. Countdown to riches. The Secret. Obviously you've done so many other great books. The Greatest Secret, which I liked as well. So I want to acknowledge you for constantly showing up. You know, you've got 35 million plus books out there in the world. You don't have to keep doing this. You don't have to keep creating. You've made tons of money, you've got a great life, you have a harmonious experience. But I appreciate and value you and how you keep showing up in service the best way that you can to help other people. And you're making a difference in my life and everyone watching and listening. And I've asked you this before, but I'm curious, your definition. Now the final question. What's your definition of greatness?

[Rhonda Byrne]

Maybe for me now it's knowing the truth. Yeah, knowing the truth. And because I really know that there's only one real purpose for us, each of us, and that is to discover who we are. And who we are is greatness multiplied by infinity. And how do you find who you are here now? Secret door.

[Lewis Howes]

There you go.

[Guest or Co-host]

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[Lewis Howes]

Ronna, thanks for being here.

Appreciate you.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Thank you, Louis. Love it.

[Lewis Howes]

Amazing.

[Rhonda Byrne]

Thank you.

[Lewis Howes]

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