The Lonely Price of Olympic Gold | Lindsey Vonn

Summary

The School of Greatness

Episode: The Lonely Price of Olympic Gold | Lindsey Vonn

Host: Lewis Howes
Guest: Lindsey Vonn
Date: February 6, 2026

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Overview

In this moving and insightful episode, Lewis Howes sits down with Olympic gold medalist and legendary downhill skier Lindsey Vonn. The conversation dives deep into the physical and emotional demands of greatness, the loneliness behind the spotlight, resilience through injury, the struggle with transitioning out of sport, and authentic happiness beyond achievement. Vonn opens up about mental health, journaling, support systems, and the invaluable lessons learned from a lifetime devoted to chasing speed and victory.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Influences and Mindset

• Role Model: Lindsey cites Peekaboo Street as her biggest inspiration—meeting her idol at age 9 made her Olympic dreams feel real ([02:23]):

  "As soon as I met her, I was like, that's what I want to be. ... I never really had a concrete goal until I saw her." – Lindsey Vonn

• Advice That Stuck: Peekaboo’s cryptic guidance about finding the "fall line" left a mark:

  "I'm trying to find the fall line... you have to figure that out yourself. It's like an instinctual thing." – Peekaboo Street via Vonn ([02:36])

• On Competitive Mindset: Lindsey’s self-described nature as “a perpetual one upper" ([04:32]).

  “If I get this, then I need to get that... finding constant motivation in becoming better.” – Lindsey Vonn ([04:37])

Resilience Through Setbacks and Injuries

• Handling Doubt and Comeback: Lindsey opens up about her toughest period, being demoted after the 2002 Olympics and repeatedly crashing ([05:14]):

  "I just decided to double down... I hired a trainer with money I didn't have... and I got my first podium the next winter." – Lindsey Vonn ([05:14-05:52])

• Processing Crashes:

  "Crashing is part of the job description. ...if you’re not pushing yourself that hard and you’re never crashing, you’re never going to find your limit." – Lindsey Vonn ([06:53-07:50])

• Reflecting on Injuries: Lindsey would not have changed her career—even with repeated injuries—which brought growth and perspective ([08:03]):

  "Every injury taught me something. ...I became more hungry to come back because I realized how much I miss it and how much I love it." – Lindsey Vonn

Race Day Mentality and Letting Go

• Pre-Race Focus:

  "Hopefully it's really pretty empty... everything should be automatic. ...If you're thinking about things you could’ve done, you know you’re screwed." – Lindsey Vonn ([09:02])

• Top Speed: Lindsey’s fastest was 84 mph; men have reached over 100 mph ([09:46]).

• Advice to Her Younger Self:

  "I wouldn't say anything... everything that you experience teaches you something, whether it's good or bad. ...I'd maybe just say enjoy the ride." – Lindsey Vonn ([10:23])

Transitioning Beyond Sports

• Difficulty Letting Go: Despite preparation, the end of her skiing career was emotionally jarring—especially after her last, injury-ridden race:

  "From one day to the next, your life is completely different, no matter how prepared you are." – Lindsey Vonn ([11:32]) “I felt like I was being held together by duct tape… my last race was literally, ‘this is my—this is all I got.’" – Lindsey Vonn ([13:54])

• Processing Achievement:

  "I got my gold medal framed... it was like, this is what I did... It's not what you're doing, it's not who I am, certainly." – Lindsey Vonn ([26:31])

The Lonely Price of Success & Mental Health

• Depression and Loneliness:

  "I struggled with depression for a long time... when the cameras go off, you go back to an empty hotel room, and it can be really, really hard." – Lindsey Vonn ([19:59–20:56])

• Support System: Having her dog Lucy with her helped with isolation ([20:56]).

• Success ≠ Happiness:

  "Success doesn't equal happiness... You have to find that on your own." – Lindsey Vonn ([23:44])

• Perspective on Life Now:

  "I think just waking up every day and being excited about something new... I get so excited every day because I'm like, what am I going to do today?" – Lindsey Vonn ([24:16])

Coping, Rituals, and Strategies for Mental Strength

• Journaling as a Tool:

  "I always journal... Especially when things are going well, because… all of a sudden one day things aren't going well, like, how do I get back?" – Lindsey Vonn ([15:55]) "I think I would have lost my way a couple times because... remembering how it felt to have a good run… my own words helped me visualize that." – Lindsey Vonn ([18:03])

• Inner Confidence and Self-Belief:

  “I always went back to, why am I doing this?... I'm doing it because I love it. ...Even if I have setbacks, I still am happy every time in the starting gate.” – Lindsey Vonn ([18:46])

• Mental Health Now & Support: Works with a psychologist using “brain spotting” to process emotions and trauma ([28:57]):

  "He has a theory that your body keeps score. … You have to process it to be able to unload it, otherwise it's just going to sit there." – Lindsey Vonn ([29:12-29:46])

• Trusted Circle:

  "I have a very small group of friends... it’s just spending time with those quality people, allowing yourself to be you." – Lindsey Vonn ([31:43])

Identity and Quiet Confidence

• On Being Herself:

  “Who are you? I'm just a nice girl from Minnesota.” – Lindsey Vonn ([27:09])

• Spreading Confidence Beyond Sports:

  “It took me a while, but yeah, I feel like finally I've kind of spread out the confidence. So it's not solely in one place, but it's sprinkled everywhere.” – Lindsey Vonn ([33:41])

• Physical Routine for Confidence:

  "Working out is one of the best things that's happened to me... The more I did it, the better I felt." – Lindsey Vonn ([33:53])

Success Habits & Lessons in Greatness

• Non-Negotiables for Success ([35:38]):

  • Hard work and sacrifice
  • Rituals & healthy habits
  • A supportive inner circle

  "The most successful people aren't the most talented. They’re the people that are willing to go the extra mile that the other people are not." – Lindsey Vonn ([35:47]) "You can't do everything alone... surround yourself with people that will help you." – Lindsey Vonn ([37:27–38:04])

• On Teamwork:

  “If I didn’t have him [ski technician]… if I didn’t have my coaches, I couldn’t do what I did.” – Lindsey Vonn ([38:46])

• Staying True to Herself:

  “You are who you are and that's what makes you special. So stick with it.” – Lindsey Vonn ([39:27])

Handling Negativity, People-Pleasing, and Boundaries

• On Social Media & Judgment:

  "I try to focus on again, what makes me happy. ...I'm not doing it for other people. I'm doing it for myself." – Lindsey Vonn ([40:00])

• People-Pleasing and Learning Boundaries:

  "You can't make anyone else happy. You can only make yourself happy." – Lindsey Vonn ([50:25]) “If I can turn the lights off, go to sleep by myself and say, I did the best I could today, then that’s what it is.” – Lindsey Vonn ([53:24])

• Biggest Emotional Challenge:

  “People-pleasing.” – Lindsey Vonn ([54:30])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Resilience:

  “What is 60 seconds in your whole life? It’s nothing. So who cares? Just go.” – Coach’s advice to Lindsey before her last race ([14:37])

• On the Price of Greatness:

  “Just because you're successful doesn't mean you're happy. And there were definitely a lot of times where I was not happy.” – Lindsey Vonn ([23:44])

• On Authenticity:

  “Always stay true to yourself. Never give up on your dreams. ...You can't make anyone else happy. You can only make yourself happy.” – Lindsey Vonn (Three Truths, [50:17])

• Definition of Greatness:

  “My definition of greatness is ... overcoming all obstacles. ...When you're at your absolute limit and you're scratching and clawing to get to the finish, and you make it, and you push yourself past where you think you could ever go.” – Lindsey Vonn ([60:44])

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:23]: Meeting Peekaboo Street—childhood inspiration
• [05:14]: The one moment of self-doubt and comeback through change
• [07:15]: Processing and learning from crashes
• [13:20]: Racing after a major crash in her last event
• [15:55]: The importance of journaling for performance and recovery
• [19:59]: Open discussion on depression and loneliness
• [24:16]: Discovering happiness beyond sport—embracing new routines
• [31:43]: The importance of support systems and authentic friendships
• [33:53]: Physical activity as a daily anchor for confidence
• [35:38]: Non-negotiables for success
• [39:27]: Advice from her old coach—be yourself and stick with what makes you unique
• [50:17]: Lindsey's “Three Truths” for life
• [60:44]: Lindsey’s definition of greatness

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Conclusion

This episode breaks the myth of achievement equaling happiness and showcases the quiet, sometimes lonely, cost of greatness. Lindsey Vonn’s candor about her struggles, rituals, mental health, and recovery both inspire and humanize her legend. Her journey underscores the necessity of self-knowledge, healing, and inner circles that keep you real. Whether you’re an aspiring athlete, transitioning careers, or simply striving for resilience, Lindsey’s wisdom and authenticity offer enduring lessons in living with both drive and compassion.

Transcript

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[Lewis Howes]

Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspirational Lindsey Vaughn in the house. I'm so excited you're here. I was telling you before, it's always great having the greatest of all time in their field and you're the greatest downhill skier of all time. And it's exciting to have you here. We have some mutual friends which I'll share more afterwards. But I'm excited to learn about your mindset because it's always fascinating to me the way people think who get to the top. And as a former professional football player and USA handball player, I was never at your level. I never made the Olympics, but I was able to.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You're still professional, so.

[Lewis Howes]

But I was able to cut yourself short. I was able to train hard and I was able to get to a certain level, but not to the level you're at, which is inspiring. So I'm curious, and I'm always curious about the most influential person in your life growing up, because I think that has a big influence in our life. So who was the most influential person, and what was the greatest lesson they taught you?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Well, I mean, the person that really inspired me was Peekaboo street, because she was, like, the only person that we had really in skiing at that time that was, like, you know, really in the spotlight.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And I met her at an autograph signing in Minnesota.

[Lewis Howes]

You were 10, right?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Nine. And so, like, as soon as I met her, I was like, that's what I want to be.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Because, I mean, I skied for fun before that. And, I mean, I trained and all this stuff, and I loved ski racing, but I never really had a concrete goal until I saw her, and then, you know, it was suddenly an attainable goal. And then, you know, I ended up on the Olympic team with her in 2002. And she said the only thing that she didn't say much to me because, I mean, I kind of followed her, like, her shadow. And she was probably pretty annoyed because I was 16, but she said. I asked her when she was inspecting, I said, what are you looking at? And she said, I'm trying to find the fall line. I said, well, where is the fall line? She's like, you have to figure that out yourself. It's like an instinctual thing. And so I always thought about that, and it stuck with me.

[Lewis Howes]

You mean when you were in inspecting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

The course, like, you always look at the course and you find your line? Right. And, you know, I was like, I'm just like, what are you. You know, I just want to pick her brain because she, you know, she was my idol. I'm like, what are you. What are you doing?

[Lewis Howes]

She wouldn't really teach you that, though. She was kind of like.

[Lindsey Vonn]

She didn't really want to teach me that. I, like, you know, try to force it out of her. But it was a good piece of information nonetheless.

[Lewis Howes]

When was the first time you beat her?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I actually don't think I did because. Oh, no, I might. I might have beaten her in some of the World Cups that year, but she retired after the 2002 Olympics, so I didn't really get a chance to race against her very much.

[Lewis Howes]

She went out on top, at least. Top of her game, I guess.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Definitely above me, right? Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And she was like, this girl's coming for me, so I might as well get out. Get out while I can.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. I mean, she had had similar to me, she had a lot of injuries, and she was just kind of the same thing, like, beaten. Beaten up. So.

[Lewis Howes]

Right. What do you Think made you such an instinctual, dominant athlete? Where did the mindset come from, like, needing to or desire to win all the time at the highest level?

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know, I'm a really competitive person, and I'm always kind of. I'm like a perpetual one upper.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

So, you know, it's like, if I. And, you know, I think one of the things that most people said about me is when I started to succeed, they said, well, you know, now she's got this, she's gonna, you know, relax, and it's not gonna happen again. And that's the exact opposite way that I think, you know, I'm like, if I get this, and I need to get this, and if I get this, I need to get that, and then just kind of, like, I always try to get better and better because that's the fun of a challenge, you know? And I think as time went on, too, then I started hit these, you know, marks of, you know, records, and. And that then excited me, and then, you know, just, like, finding constant motivation in becoming better.

[Lewis Howes]

Right. Did you ever doubt yourself?

[Lindsey Vonn]

There's only one time I doubted myself. I was. I think I was right after the Olympics, which one, 2002, I was still young, you know, says 17. 17, 18. And I just, you know, I kind of got demoted from the ski team. I was on, like, the, you know, Europa cup team, which is one level below, and I was kind of crawling my way back. And, yeah, I just. I kept crashing, and I wasn't sure if I was going to make it. And then I just decided to double down on what I was doing. I hired a trainer with money I didn't have. I asked for an advance on my contract, and I spent the whole summer with a new trainer in Monaco, and I. I got my first podium the next winter.

[Lewis Howes]

So when you doubted yourself, how did you get out of it, though? Was it just let me find people to help me get out of it?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think, like, a reset, you know, like, because you get stuck in a rut, and it's like, what I'm doing is not working. So if I need to get to the next level, like, what is there that I can change? You can't change everything, obviously, because then you can't figure out what was wrong. But I needed to find something that I could drastically improve on to get better. And fitness is one thing that I had obviously worked hard at, but not hard enough, really. And so I made that change, and it worked.

[Lewis Howes]

Now when you had all these, you had, like, what? I don't Know so many crashes and injuries, right throughout so many years.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, a couple.

[Lewis Howes]

I mean, you tore your knees like 50 times. I mean, everything is crazy. You got plates in your arm and your back. I mean, it's nuts. How do you have confidence after a crash and come back and say, well, I'm going to go back and do this course or the next course. Better, faster, stronger, short term memory. Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I mean it's part of the job.

[Lewis Howes]

The concussions, I guess help as you forget.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You're like, oh wait, I don't even remember that.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Shoot.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, you know, it's like that's crashing is part of the job description. So if you're not ready to do that, then, you know, you should probably not do that. But for me, you know, I always use it as a learning tool. You know, what did I do wrong? What can I do better? You know, I always analyze my crashes. A lot of people can't watch their crashes because they're like, you know, they don't want to painful.

[Lewis Howes]

Watch your crashes, especially when you're shooting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I kind of loved it. I was like, what's my style? Points?

[Lewis Howes]

Oh my gosh.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And every time my coaches, I would crash, they would stop videoing because they're like, oh shoot, you know, they start stop video, I'm like, you have to keep videoing. I want to see the whole thing. And so yeah, I mean, I just would analyze my crashes, what I do wrong. And, and you know, I think for me you have to push the limits in order to find your limit. And I always like wanted to be right up on the limit and then obviously you go past it sometimes, which you crash and you know, but if you're not pushing yourself that hard and you're never crashing, you're never going to find your limit. That's how I think.

[Lewis Howes]

But some of these crashes, they would take what, three to six months to recover, right?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So how do you get to the. Do you feel like you could have done it without crashing or do you feel like you need to crash?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, not for me. That's just kind of how I raced was always 110%. So I think that's the reason why I was able to be, you know, as successful as I was and downhill for as long as I was. But that's also the reason why I crashed a lot. So it's kind of a double edged sword. But I don't know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't change it because I think every injury taught me something. You know, I think I became a stronger person. Maybe not physically, but, you know, mentally I definitely got a lot stronger. And I think when you go through, you know, those kinds of setbacks, you also have a different perspective, you know, and appreciate what you have so much more. So every time, you know, I crashed or I had injuries, I became more hungry to come back because I realized how much I miss it and how much I love it and, you know, just, I wouldn't change it.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Can you walk me through when you're going down, right before you're about to go off, what is it called?

[Lindsey Vonn]

The starting gate?

[Lewis Howes]

The starting gate?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Right before you're about to go off, what does that five minutes before look like in your mind?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, hopefully it's really pretty empty.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I mean, because up until that point you do all the preparation, right? You know, I'm, I've analyzed the course, I've visualized it a thousand times in my head. I've done all the physical preparation I can do. I've warmed up in the morning, I've warmed up right before I'm in the starting gate. And at that moment, that's when you kind of automatize everything. Like everything should be automatic. You should be in the starting gate calm and like ready to go. Because if you're thinking about, you know, certain things that you could have done, you know you're screwed because you have to be so in the moment. You know, when you're racing at 80 miles an hour, you have to be only thinking about what's right here. You know, if you're thinking about this and that and the other thing, then, you know, that's a dangerous recipe.

[Lewis Howes]

You know what your fastest speed was ever?

[Lindsey Vonn]

The fastest I've ever been clocked at was 84.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh my gosh.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But you know, I don't know, the men have gone 100.

[Lewis Howes]

That's nuts. Yeah, crash on that. You're awesome. How do you survive that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know. Good question. We have like back protect. I mean, they have airbags now.

[Lewis Howes]

No way. You didn't have that when you were 17?

[Lindsey Vonn]

No, I wish I did.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Airbags?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, airbags and your back protector. And like if you are inverted in any way, it'll shut up. Yeah, it's great.

[Lewis Howes]

That's amazing technology.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I know, it's awesome. I really needed that like 20 years now.

[Lewis Howes]

You said you were nine when you met your hero, your idol, right? If your 9 year old self was standing in front of you right now, what would you say in terms of advice to Her, I wouldn't say anything.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Because, you know, like, you can't correct the things you've done in the past. And I think that, you know, again, everything that you experience teaches you something, whether it's good or bad.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

And.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And so I wouldn't be here if I had done things differently. So I wouldn't go back and say, you know, do something differently. I would maybe just say enjoy the ride. You know, that's about it.

[Lewis Howes]

Do you feel like you enjoyed it?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I did. I mean, I definitely think sometimes I took myself a little too seriously, you know, I mean, but that's also part of it, you know, when you want to be, you know, the best, you have to give up a lot of things. And, you know, you can't always enjoy everything as much as everybody else. But, you know, I think it was well worth it.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

For me, one of the hardest transitions of my life has been from when I was done playing football into what's next in my life.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And you've been transitioning for the last few years now. Has it been hard for you, or do you feel like you've set your brand up so well that it's been easy to kind of move past the sport in a sense?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, I tried as hard as I could to set myself up, you know, and I had plenty of work and plenty of things to do. But, you know, as, you know, it's, you know, one day to the next, your life is completely different, no matter how prepared you are. And it definitely took me until probably, yeah, a few months ago.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Covid was the best thing for me because I actually had time to slow down, because what I do if, you know, I always overwork. So if, you know, there's something going on in my life, no matter what it was, I had skiing. I could always really focus on skiing and kind of, you know, push the other stuff out. And so work is just a great way to Band Aid everything as well. And so Covid, I had to slow down. Had to, like, think about things. Like, think about retirement, which was horrible.

[Lewis Howes]

When did you officially retire?

[Lindsey Vonn]

February 2019.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay. The year before. Year before COVID So almost two and a half years.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. So it took me. I mean, the year after, you know, before COVID was. Yeah, it was really hard. And then Covid was like, okay, slow down. Think about things. Process things. And now I'm finally at, like, a really good place where I'm not, you know, working to, you know, forget that. I used to ski, race.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It's Weird.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Kind of weird, right?

[Lewis Howes]

It's really weird. Now, when your last race was. Was that in February? Then the last race. When was the last, like, big medal that you won?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Because then you have, like, last race.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

That was it.

[Lewis Howes]

Didn't you have a big crash like 5 days before or something?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Or like 2 days before?

[Lewis Howes]

2 days before you had a big crash?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Now, Brad Slater asked me to ask you this question because it was a big crash. This was 2019, huh?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

How did you decide to be like, okay, I'm gonna come back after demolishing your body.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, there's really no other option. Not race, go big or go home. You know, I didn't want to go home. Really? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I've always been the person that if. If I can walk, like, if I can be out there, I will be out there. You know, unless you have to. Like, the doctor physically stops me. You know, I'm.

[Lewis Howes]

Or you can't walk.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Right?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Like, I'm going to be out there. I mean, I was pretty close to, like, you know, not being able to walk at that point because I was. I had torn my lcl, so I was racing with no lcl. I had braces on both knees.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Shut up.

[Lindsey Vonn]

No, I was. It was definitely. I felt like I was being held together by duct tape.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And so, like, my last race was literally, I was like, well, this is. This is my. This all I got. So I'm just going to lay everything on the table and see what happens. And I. It was hard because I. I didn't want to crash in my last race. There's no do overs.

[Lewis Howes]

You knew this was going to be your last race.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It was like, I'm done after this. My body is falling apart, literally.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And so, you know, I was like, there's no do overs. Is this your last chance? And, yeah, I just, literally, I threw down and gave it everything I had. And I'm, you know, third place.

[Lewis Howes]

It's crushing it. So how did you get your mind right, though? Like, I know in your body you're like, okay, I'm just gonna puff it up and just make it happen. But how'd you get your mind right?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Well, I actually talked to my coach that I grew up with in Minnesota the night before my race, and he's like, what is 60 seconds in your whole life? Like, what is 60 seconds? I'm like, wow, it's a really good perspective. I'm like, it's nothing. It's like, exactly. It's Nothing. So who cares? Just go like, all right, yeah, I mean, I, I, that was my mindset anyways, but it just kind of like put everything in perspective in that moment. And he made a Great point. He's 96 years old and he made a great point.

[Lewis Howes]

Wow, that's a great point. Isn't it crazy that, I mean, how many Olympics did you do?

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Three.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Four.

[Lewis Howes]

Four Olympics.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

That's nuts.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Just masochi. That sucked.

[Lewis Howes]

Only four times the Olympics. Isn't it crazy that so many athletes I'm sure you know as well train decades for 60 seconds, 10 seconds, 30 seconds.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's nuts. And especially, you know, qualifying to you cold. You're a track and field athlete. Your competition is 60 seconds, 45 seconds, and you're a little bit off and you're done. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Lewis Howes]

A decade, two decades of your life over, over how? Luckily you never had to deal with that because you won a bunch of medals. But how do you think people could deal with that mindset, that mentality of I gave my whole life to something, whether it's a relationship, a career, a project, whatever, business, and doesn't work out. How do we bounce back from that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, it's hard. I think everyone has their own process. I always felt like if I worked hard enough, things would turn around. Like, whenever I had really bad moments, I said, you know, the good guy is not going to finish last. You know, I'm going to come back, I just have to double down, you know, reinvest everything in myself and come back. You know, sometimes you just need a little bit of a reset sometimes, you know, you need to take a break and come back to it. Sometimes, you know, it's more of just a mind over matter. There's just a lot of different ways to get from point A to point B. But I think the biggest thing is just believing in yourself, which can be very difficult to do, obviously, especially if you have, like, multiple setbacks in a row. But that's why I always journal, really. You know, I did a lot of journaling from like a general day to day to when I was racing and training. I would write everything down, really, especially when things are going well, because everyone thinks when things are going well, like, this is great, it's so easy and they forget about what they're doing. And then all of a sudden one day things aren't going well, like, how do I get back? You know, so it's good to keep, like, I always kept notes of everything, like what runs, felt good, what skis felt good.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

What?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Boots felt good. And then I always had a reference point to go back to.

[Lewis Howes]

Was that daily or was that just most days? You were.

[Lindsey Vonn]

No, daily.

[Lewis Howes]

Every day.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I have, like. I have stacks of books. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

When did you start?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Probably 2005.

[Lewis Howes]

So you were, what, like, 21 or 23 or something?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay, so for, like, when I started winning. Yeah, 14 years, you were, like, journaling consistently.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And I also. On and off, I journaled my workouts because that got a little bit excessive. There's only so much journaling one can do. But I occasionally did do my workouts as well.

[Lewis Howes]

But was it more like, here's what I did. Here's the feeling I had. Here's what worked. What didn't work, though?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Like, every run, you know, I would write down, you know, I tried a different line. It didn't work. I felt good. Like, this boot felt good. You know, this setup felt good. This felt bad. I tried to do, you know, this line. It didn't work.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

I just.

[Lindsey Vonn]

As the. As much detail as I could give myself, I felt like the better because it's only helping me.

[Lewis Howes]

Where do you think you would have been if you never journaled?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think I would have lost my way a couple times because, you know, looking back definitely gave me confidence and thinking about, you know, remembering, you know, like, how it felt to have a good run and what I was doing in that moment. You know, my own words helped me visualize that, which then translated into me finding my way again. So, you know, I don't know. I feel like.

[Lewis Howes]

So you would read back your journals?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Interesting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

You talked about believing yourself. How did you learn to believe in yourself consistently? With all the setbacks, though, how do you stay in belief when it's like, okay, crash, failure, didn't make the Olympics here. Whatever. I'm going through personal struggles in my life, whatever it might be, how do you stay in belief with yourself?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I kind of always went back to. Especially when I had multiple injuries, I always went back to, why am I doing this? You know, I'm doing it because I love it. I'm passionate about it, and, you know, even if I have setbacks, I still am happy every time in the starting gate. So it's kind of like always going back to the root of why I'm there. Yes. I love winning, and that's always what I wanted to do. That's. There's no. Yeah. But, you know, at the end of the day, when I'm in. When I'm putting myself through everything that I did, you know, all the rehabs and everything, I always remembered I loved it and I wanted to go fast again. Whether I won or lost, I wanted to go fast again. So kind of keeping things in perspective.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Which again, is like, you know, one of the reasons why I think being injured, you know, not so many times, but, you know, having injuries is just a good way to have a different.

[Lewis Howes]

Perspective on things, reflect and see do I still love this or not? Do I want to keep going? And it sounded like you did so many times.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

How important was mental health for you, you know, throughout your entire career? Because it wasn't really talked about until, like, the last five years. Mental health and the importance of self care and taking care of your mindset, how important was that for you? Do you ever feel like you lost it at times or overwhelmed or stressed or depressed at certain points?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I definitely struggled with depression for a long time, and I, you know, is vocal about it. Not until 2012, maybe. Um, and at that time, like, you know, no one was talking about it. I hadn't told my parents. Like, I didn't tell anybody. And then I just was like, this is something I really need to do. And it definitely helped me kind of process everything and, like, feel more comfortable about it. But, I mean, you know, if being on the road is really hard, you know, you're always in a hotel room. I'm always on myself. And, you know, a lot of times, you know, people just see the athletes, like, on the podium and happy and like in the media. But, you know, when the cameras go off, you go back to an empty hotel room, and it can be really, really hard again, especially because you're doing it for so long, you know. And at the end of my career, thankfully, I got my dog, Lucy, so she was like my companion and always was with me and definitely helped a lot. But it's like the loneliness really gets to you.

[Lewis Howes]

It is lonely.

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[Lewis Howes]

If you're training that hard for something. I mean, your team is there and I'm sure your family are there, but at certain points you're just alone.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's isolating.

[Lewis Howes]

It's very isolating. Yeah, there's not many people that can probably relate to you. Not you have a couple peers, there's a couple other athletes you can talk to and kind of understand your coach maybe.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But then also, you know, it's if you want to talk to somebody about it, they're not really going to have any sympathy for you because you're doing.

[Lewis Howes]

Well because you're making money.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Why are you complaining about something? So, you know, success doesn't equal happiness. I mean, everyone says that like money doesn't equal happiness. Success doesn't equal happiness. You have to find that, you know, on Your own. But, yeah, it's just because you're successful doesn't mean you're happy. And there definitely a lot of times where I was not happy.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Do you feel like you're happy now?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I'm actually the happiest I've ever been.

[Lewis Howes]

I love that you do have a great energy about you right now. Not that I knew you before, but you have a great energy right about you right now. What brings you the most joy in your life?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think just waking up every day and being excited about, you know, something new. New challenges, new experiences, meeting new people. I think, you know, I was so focused on skiing that I had, you know, blinders on. And I didn't see, you know, a lot that was around me. And, I mean, you have to do that if you want to, you know, be successful. But I just. I get so excited every day because I'm like, what am I going to do today? You know, am I going to wake surfing? Am I going to go mountain biking? You know, all these things that, A, I haven't been able to do because of my sport, and, like, B, I just have never experienced. So I just. I'm excited. It's a very exciting time. I'm very, very happy.

[Lewis Howes]

So it sounds like it only took you two years to kind of transition from the sport to feeling at peace about moving past it now. Right. Kind of letting it go. That's pretty quick, though. Most athletes hold on to a sense of loneliness or depression or the glory days.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, don't get me wrong, I miss it. And it's easier in the summer because no one's racing, you know, like, ask me again in February when the Olympics are going on.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh, man.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. And this. This past winter was the world championships in Cortina, which is literally one of my favorite places. And I was commentating for NBC.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh, how is that Watching and commentating?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I commented for. Yeah, I could only do a couple races, and I. I preferred to only do. I preferred the men because.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh, right, yes. You know, it's, you know, like, I can beat these girls right now.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Exactly. Don't put myself in position. But, you know, it. It's like I process it as a death, you know, like a death, you know, like, it's gone, it's never coming back. Because the second you think, oh, well, maybe I could do a comeback, oh, man, it'll really mess with your mind.

[Lewis Howes]

How important has rituals been in your life? Do you do a lot of rituals beyond journaling to when you said, this is like, A death. Have you ever, like, put your skis in a coffin and buried it to, like, allow you to process or something like that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I actually did the opposite. I always had, like, my Olympic medals in my sock drawer. I never had them out. Like, I never. I mean, I had, like, a nice trophy case for my other. Other, you know, trophies, but I never.

[Lewis Howes]

You probably had a whole room for all your trophies. I mean, so many of them.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I had a nice display case in Colorado, but now I moved to Utah, so I don't have. Literally everything is in storage.

[Lewis Howes]

But you got your.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But I have my Olympic medals, so. My Olympic medals. I, for the first time, like, got my. My gold medal framed, and I got all my world championship medals framed, and it was like, this is a big moment, of course. And it kind of was like, this is what I did. You know what I mean?

[Lewis Howes]

It's not what you're doing.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Right.

[Lewis Howes]

Ooh.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Because it was kind of like, it's put away now. You know what I mean?

[Lewis Howes]

Right. There's a lot to celebrate, but my heart hurts.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Right.

[Lewis Howes]

Gosh.

[Lindsey Vonn]

So it was, like. It was an interesting moment to do that. It seems weird and, you know, slightly vain, but I just felt like it was like, this is what I did, and it's done now. And I can look back and be happy about what I did, but it's not what I do, and it's not who I am, certainly.

[Lewis Howes]

Who are you?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I'm just a nice girl from Minnesota.

[Lewis Howes]

You're from the Twin Cities, right? Or a small town near there. Yeah, I played Minneapolis. I played football in Marshall, Minnesota, for a season.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, no way.

[Lewis Howes]

And I played in the Metrodome like, four or five times.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Metro Dome.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah, it was the old school.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Crazy.

[Lewis Howes]

The Astro Turf collapsed.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Oh, man.

[Lewis Howes]

I still have, like, turf toe from the Astro Turf. The Metro Dome. Yeah, it was. It was a good time. I was in Minnesota for three months. I came for my freshman year to play football at Southwest Minnesota State, and I left after the winter. I was just like, underground tunnels to get the classroom. I was like, this is nuts. I remember the first day I went to training camp in football in the summer. It must have been August. Remember stepping on the field and literally, I've never seen this in my life. The field moved with me every step. Millions of mosquitoes moving with me to the next step. I was like, what am I doing? For weeks, I'm just swatting mosquitoes.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Minnesota mosquitoes. A state bird.

[Lewis Howes]

It's crazy.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. It's gross.

[Lewis Howes]

It's probably not as bad in the Twin Cities, but like in the farmland.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yes.

[Lewis Howes]

It was nuts.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. I mean, actually, when I grew up racing, it would be so cold sometimes they wouldn't let us take off our jacket and pants. We would have to race with everything that we had on. It was like my dad would have, like the car sitting ready, warmed up. I would literally go straight through the finish and into the car.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm curious about mental health now because you talked about it when you were lonely and kind of had some depression during the traveling time. What is it like now that you've hung up the awards, that you've gone through different challenges in your personal life and I'm sure you're having career stuff up and down. What are you doing to stay mentally strong post career?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, similar things. I started working with a new psychologist, which was really good. He kind of focused on more like athletes and had worked with other athletes that have retired, which was, I think, really helpful.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

What's his name?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Dr. Armando. Yeah, he's awesome. And again, we're with a lot of athletes and he kind of also had a different technique of like processing things, which is really good.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

What's.

[Lewis Howes]

What was the technique?

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's called brain spotting.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But it's also. It's kind of hard to explain, but basically you sit there and you really focus on the thing that really makes you emotional, whatever that is, like retirement or, you know, whatever. And your brain has to actually process it to be able to unload it. Otherwise it's just gonna sit there. Because he has a theory that, you know, you're like, your body keeps score.

[Lewis Howes]

Absolutely. So any great book called the Body Keeps a Score.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, really?

[Lewis Howes]

It's amazing. Yeah. Called the Body. It's called the Body Keeps the Score.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

Physical, emotional trauma. It's like stored in the body until you process and heal it.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But he did say that I don't store my trauma from my crashes.

[Lewis Howes]

Which you don't.

[Lindsey Vonn]

No, I don't.

[Lewis Howes]

You don't physically or emotionally?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, physically I do, obviously.

[Lewis Howes]

Right, right. But you don't keep it emotionally.

[Lindsey Vonn]

No. I don't know.

[Lewis Howes]

How'd you do that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know.

[Lewis Howes]

Short term memory, concussions.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I always watch my video. I always like, I processed it. I was like, this is what I did. This is what I need to do better. And I just moved on. The more you like you, you don't address it, the more it becomes a problem.

[Lewis Howes]

Absolutely.

[Lindsey Vonn]

So, yeah, so he was like one of the best things that. That happened to me.

[Lewis Howes]

Brain spotting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So you think about the. The moment of sadness or pain or frustration or.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, like, the emotional trauma or whatever. Whatever it is that, you know, is really causing you, you know, anxiety or emotional, like, you know, frustration or sadness. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So you think about it. How long do you think about it for? What's the process then?

[Lindsey Vonn]

It could be a couple hours. You know, it's. It's. He usually comes to my house for a few days, and, like, we have good, you know, sessions and kind of work when we have time when we can. And, um, it's really different, but it's really great. And. And, yeah, he's. He's awesome. You should look him up.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm gonna check him out.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

So what happens at the end of the. The 30 to 60 minutes when you're thinking about. Are you supposed to put your attention on the feeling on the event, Everything.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Like, visualizing what happened, how you feel, and, like, the more you think about it, it's weird. I start, you know, with something that's emotional, and it's very triggering, and then by the end, it becomes less triggering and less triggering. And then by the end, it's like.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay, you let it go.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It's when we resist something where it continues to kind of fester and be suppressed inside of us. But the more we actually pay attention to it and go through different scenarios and process it, then we can let it go. It's not as scary anymore.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Right.

[Lewis Howes]

So brain spotting. What's another strategy you've used to help?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Surrounding myself with people that really support me and for me, who I am, like my sister and my family and, like, really good friends. I have a very small group of friends, you know, I mean, I travel all the time. I have a crazy lifestyle, but I have really, like, a couple friends that I grew up with in Minnesota since I was 7 years old. And, like, we're solid. And it's just, you know, spending time with those quality people, allowing yourself to be you and not having, you know, any fear of judgment. I think that really helps, you know, I don't know. Be yourself and then be around other people is easier.

[Lewis Howes]

Did you feel the fear of judgment when you were competing ever?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Not really. I think when I was competing, I had the most confidence, you know, Like, I felt like on any given day, if I was healthy, I could. I could win. It was a different. Totally different than what I am in, like, real life.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, kind of like the exact opposite.

[Lewis Howes]

In competing mode, you were super confident. You talk about, but then you walk off.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's like Harnessing. Missed all of my confidence that I ever had and I put it right in the skiing.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay, but you're saying you weren't as confident in your normal life outside of computer?

[Lindsey Vonn]

No, not really. Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

What did that look like?

[Lindsey Vonn]

More shy. Like, I'm not really. I'm like. I feel like I'm more right now. This is like media mode.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know, and. Which is still me, but I'm just. I don't know, I'm. It's. It's different when I'm at home or like I'm at a dinner or I'm at a, you know, a function. I'm not the person that's, like, overly, you know, talking to people. You know, I'm like. I hang back and I wait for someone to come to me.

[Lewis Howes]

Like, interesting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know. That's just.

[Lewis Howes]

Well, the next time I'm on an event with you, I'll make sure to come up to you, I'll give you a hug, I'll say, what's up, Lizzie?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I swear, I'm not like, trying to be my. Like, you know, some people think that I'm just, you know, they don't want to come say hi. And I just. I'm not trying to be, you know, negative. I just, you know, shy in my corner.

[Lewis Howes]

Do you feel like you're. You've been able to translate that confidence into your life now or do you feel like there are more times?

[Lindsey Vonn]

It took me a while, really, but yeah, I feel like finally I've kind of spread out the confidence. So it's not, you know, solely in one place, but it's like, you know, sprinkled everywhere.

[Lewis Howes]

What do you do on a daily basis to build confidence?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Honestly, I think working out is one of the best things that's happened to me.

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[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. I thought for a while, you know, I don't want to work out. I'm retired, really. I want to, you know, enjoy it because I've been working out my entire life and I stopped working out. Like, wow. I really feel like, you know, like I felt miserable and then I got back into it and the more I did it, the better I felt. And so now it's like I prioritize working out because it makes me feel so much better. And I like working out first thing in the morning because then it sets my day up for success and I feel confident and, you know, better and clear minded and it's just. It's awesome.

[Lewis Howes]

It's the greatest feeling ever.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And when you can look Yourself in the mirror, completely naked, stripped down, and be like, at least I'm proud of the process. Maybe I'm not proud of the result right now, but I'm proud of, like, showing up for myself today. That feels good.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Well, I feel like no matter how you look, as long as you like, you're putting your best effort forward. Like, when I work out, you know, six days a week, you know, and, like, the scale says something other than what I feel like I put in. Like, I mean, sometimes it still bothers me, but, you know, I feel like that's not a testament to, you know, the effort that I felt like I gave. And also, like, how that made me feel from a confidence perspective. And so you always got to keep that in mind. It's really more about, I don't know, I feel like it's more about mental.

[Lewis Howes]

Absolutely. Mental confidence than physical confidence. What would you say are the non negotiables? You've been living this life for a while now at a top level, 20 plus years you've been competing and now transitioning. What would you say are the non negotiables? Three to five things that have helped you become successful and that will help you to continue to be successful. If you had three to five habits or things that you must do non negotiable in your life to support your success, what would those be?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, work ethic in general, but at the same time, you know, if you want to succeed at anything that you're doing in life, you know, you have to be willing to put in the work.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know, and make those sacrifices. I honestly feel that the most successful people aren't the most talented. They're not the smartest. They're the people that are willing to go the extra mile that the other people are not. What else? I think, you know, rituals are habits that, you know, help you, you know, get to the place where you can work hard. So whether that's working out or journaling or going on a walk or, you know, meeting your friend once a week or whatever it is, you know, finding habits, like healthy habits like that that, you know, put you in a mental place that allows you to then work harder and again then be more successful.

[Lewis Howes]

Right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And then surround yourself by people that believe in the same things that you do. So that will help, you know, facilitate your success and not bring you down. You know, I think it is oftentimes really hard to actually find people that want you to succeed.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Why is that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

You think that's just human nature.

[Lewis Howes]

I Think or jealous or.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I mean, and honestly, I haven't experienced that a lot, but sometimes it like creeps up on you and you're like, wow, you really didn't want me to succeed.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. So it's just kind of like people.

[Lewis Howes]

You'Ve hired on your team or friends or peers.

[Lindsey Vonn]

My internal team, we're tight. You know, they've been with me since I was 16. I'm a very loyal person. Like, we're a very tight knit group and, and, and I like to keep it that way. But yeah, there's, you know, there's like people. Yeah. Coming in that, you know, pretend to be one thing and they're not. And so it's good to make sure you keep, keep yourself surrounded by, by people that want to see you succeed and will help you get there. And you know, if you have to make your sacrifice, that they're going to pick up the slack for you.

[Lewis Howes]

Right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know, because you, you can't do everything alone. You know, that's the other thing.

[Lewis Howes]

Right. What were your coaches and your team like when you were competing? Do you have, do you think you could have been as successful on your own or without the team?

[Lindsey Vonn]

You need a team. You absolutely need a team. And so it goes with everything that you're doing, whether it's in business or sports or whatever. You know, you can't do everything by yourself, so surround yourself by people that will help you. And you know, my coaches were amazing. I had the best ski technician in the world. Hindsight. He literally was just as invested in my success as I was. I mean, if I, when I won, he would cry, you know, that's beautiful. It was great. And it, you know.

[Lewis Howes]

Did you cry too?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I cried because he was crying.

[Lewis Howes]

It was like a thing.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I'm like, Heinz, why are you crying? You're making me cry. And you know, he would, he was so nervous when I crashed and you know, like, it just feels really good to know that someone's that invested in what you're doing and they're putting just as much effort into what they're doing to make you succeed as you are. Yeah, it's just like me working in the gym. You know, he's in the ski room tuning my skis for hours on end. And a lot of people don't know that about ski racing. It's your equipment is a, is a huge part of your success. So if I didn't have him, if I didn't have my coaches, I didn't have my physical therapist, Lindsey Winninger. Who helped me get back from all my injuries. You know, if I didn't have like all those people, I couldn't do what I did.

[Lewis Howes]

Right. So team is everything. What's the greatest lesson your coach taught you?

[Lindsey Vonn]

It was my coach from Minnesota, the 96 year old. He said when I was, I think I was like 10 or 11, he said, I'm fast the way I am, so don't change it. Because a lot of people at that time in my career try to change my technique. And even my dad was like, you know, this isn't. She's not going to succeed if she stays like this. And he's like, no, this is her natural talent. Stay with what you, what you, what you have. Don't try to be someone else. You know, you're fast the way you are. And so. So I kind of morphed that into life as well. It's like you are who you are and that's what makes you special. So stick with it.

[Lewis Howes]

That's a good lesson. It's a beautiful lesson. And how do you deal now? And how did you deal with negative thoughts? Did they fester for a while? Did you have a technique that allowed you to get out of it, into more positivity? What did you do?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, I think journaling helped. Honestly, skiing was the best outlet for me.

[Lewis Howes]

It was therapy, huh?

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And which was why it was so hard to retire. Which is why then, you know, Covid, sitting there with your thoughts, not ideal, but ended up being great. Yeah. I mean, I think social media was at times really difficult.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Because other people would say negative things about me and that would kind of creep in. And I wouldn't necessarily always believe it, but it's still kind of. It's like there. It's like a little mosquito and it's like annoying. People actually think that about me, you know, and it kind of adds a little bit of. Of doubt in there. And it's not always easiest to get rid of those negative thoughts. But I try to focus on again, like, what makes me happy. Why am I doing this? I'm not doing it for other people. I'm doing it for myself.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And you know, everyone's gonna judge you. Everyone's gonna. There's always gonna be people that say bad things about you. But, you know, when the lights are off and you go to bed, you know, it's just you and are you happy with yourself? And I think that's the ultimate question. If you can be happy with that, then you're good. Who cares when you know, those things.

[Lewis Howes]

Amen to that. There's a great speech by Matthew McConaughey where he talks about his hero is 10 years away from him. He's always chasing his hero. When he won the Oscar, I think it was, he said, I'm always chasing my hero who's ten years away from me. We talked about your ten year old self. You've had a couple years of transition. Now I'm curious, in 10 years from now, where do you see yourself being and what advice do you wish your 10 year old, your 10 year away self would give you right now?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I have no idea where we'll be in 10 years. Like I don't know where we'll be in 10 days. I know it's crazy and I really like not knowing it. You know, I used to really try to. I'm a planner and I like organizing and like knowing what's going to happen and like planning as far out as I can.

[Lewis Howes]

You're always scheduled, you got events, you got training.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, yeah, it's always a schedule. And I kind of really like not having as like, you know, as tight of a schedule as I used to have. And so I don't know, I have no idea. I mean, hopefully I'll have kids and you know, 10 years, a long time, you know, I'm 36 and that's, you know, I don't know but I, I know that I have a lot more to do and, and that's really exciting.

[Lewis Howes]

What do you think advice you would want to hear from your 10, your 46 year old self?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think the same as, you know, when you ask me what would I tell my 10 year old or 16 year old self, I wouldn't say anything because I have to have those experiences and I'm excited for them. You know, good or bad, I think, you know, it's just a part of the journey and so far it's been great.

[Lewis Howes]

So I feel like just keep it.

[Lindsey Vonn]

One day, one day at a time, keep it simple.

[Lewis Howes]

And when do you feel the most loved? When you're doing what?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Hang out with my dogs. Yeah, they love me no matter what. That's the best feeling ever.

[Lewis Howes]

Isn't it incredible?

[Lindsey Vonn]

So I have three. I'm the crazy dog lady.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh my God. It's not crazy. Well, I have one cat, so I'm the crazy cat dude.

[Lindsey Vonn]

That's where I draw the line because.

[Lewis Howes]

I travel so much. I travel so much.

[Lindsey Vonn]

And cut.

[Lewis Howes]

She's a good cat. She just relax. She's like a little dog. She like Lays next to me. She just, like, purrs on me.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think I'm scarred for my mom's cats.

[Lewis Howes]

They're crazy cats. No, you need a chill cat. You need a cat that's, like a dog that, like, plays fetch and. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, so my dogs are the best. Like, nothing. Like, well, you know, having a Ben and Jerry's. My three dogs watching Law and Order pizza. Ideal.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. That's when I feel the best.

[Lewis Howes]

What is something about yourself that you are most proud of that most people don't know about?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know. I feel like everyone knows everything about me sometimes way too much that I'm most proud of. I don't know. I'm most proud of my family. Just like, you know, I think I'm really lucky to have siblings that are, you know, as great as they are. And, you know, I'm really proud of, you know, where everyone's. How far everyone's gone, and I guess that has something to do with me, but at the same time, I don't know, I feel like. Like we're all unit, so I'm proud of them.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Beautiful.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

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[Lewis Howes]

What about your biggest fear right now?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, I had a lot more of them a couple months ago, but I feel like, what were they a couple months ago? Well, you know, I hadn't really processed, like. Like, you know, retirement. So I guess now I'm. I don't know. I'm just kind of happy not knowing what's gonna happen, you know, where. I was a little bit nervous, you know, it was gonna happen before. Like, you know, where's my career going? You know, what. What's life. What's gonna. You know, just because, you know, as much as I have things planned, nothing's really planned.

[Lewis Howes]

Right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Right. So I don't know.

[Lewis Howes]

And your fears now?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know. I kind of. It's. I guess it's similar to skiing. Like, I don't really. I try not to think about any. Like, I don't. I never had fear when I was skiing. I. And I think I'm finally in a place where I am, like, very present in the moment. Not thinking about, you know, what could go wrong. I'm just thinking about what opportunities are there.

[Lewis Howes]

That's beautiful. And what is the question you wish more people would ask you, but they.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Don'T ask you, how are you doing?

[Lewis Howes]

How are you doing?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I'm great.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Thank you.

[Lindsey Vonn]

How are you?

[Lewis Howes]

People don't ask you that enough.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Like, in a general way, like, yeah, you know, it's like, how are you feeling? Like, I don't know. People, it's like, there's. Greetings. We're like, hey, what's up? You know, how's it going? But it's like, actually, how are you feeling? Like, are you happy? You know what I mean? Like, I have a few people that say that, and those are my friends.

[Lewis Howes]

Not many people ask you how you're feeling.

[Lindsey Vonn]

No.

[Lewis Howes]

Again, next time I'm at an event and you're by yourself, I know what to do. I know what to ask you. I'm coming up to you. I'm gonna ask you how you're feeling.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I'm pretty simple.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Those are. I think those are really important things.

[Lewis Howes]

Who is the person in your Family that has taught you the biggest lesson. I'm sure they've all taught you something. But what's the lesson that really taught me?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, everyone's taught me something. I think, you know, my, my grandfather and my dad taught me, you know, about toughness and, you know, what it really means to, you know, sacrifice and work hard. And I think those are incredible traits that, you know, not a lot of people have. And like, I have a really good understanding of what it means to sacrifice because they had such a great example for me.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But I mean, and I think my sister Karen really kind of has been. She's just helped me be like a person and that's also a human being. Yeah, I'm like, that's been great.

[Lewis Howes]

Not the athlete and not the competitor or the personality.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Right. And that's the one thing I love about my family, which, you know, is why I talk about them so much, is because they're. I'm always me, you know, so they always, you know, doesn't matter what I do. I'm always, you know, gonna be me. And they always treat me like that. And it's just kind of nice to always have that to go back to.

[Lewis Howes]

What was that like coming from such a small, I guess, Midwest town, I guess Northwest town. But I think of Minnesota is a Midwest.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Midwest.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm from Ohio, so I think it was all Ohio.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

We had little bunny hills that I'd ski sometimes when I was a kid. What was it like transitioning from small town, you know, Midwest values into the spotlight and into the scene and into everything that comes with that. How did you stay grounded?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think there are moments where I kind of like, you know, especially when I was like 18, 19, where I didn't really 20 and kind of got into the hype a little bit.

[Lewis Howes]

You did get into it a little bit.

[Lindsey Vonn]

A little bit. And then, you know, my family was like, this isn't you.

[Lewis Howes]

Chill out.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Like, what are you doing?

[Lewis Howes]

Just cause you went to two Olympics doesn't mean anything.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, Anything special. And so again, like, you know, family kind of always has been the equalizer. And I always go back to Wisconsin and see my relatives. And it's like. And we just had like a big celebration for my grandma's 90th birthday. And you know, like, everything's the same. We're in the garage celebrating, you know.

[Lewis Howes]

Playing cornhole wake surfing.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Exactly. Right. Definitely. Cornhole. S'. Mores.

[Lewis Howes]

It's amazing.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

The best.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. So it's just, you know, that's normal for me. And so I don't ever get. I don't know. I don't. That's.

[Lewis Howes]

You don't let Hollywood take over.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. That's something else.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. That's beautiful. Sounds like a good life. This is a question I ask people towards the end of the interview is. It's called the Three Truths.

[Lindsey Vonn]

This sounds really intimidating. I'm scared.

[Lewis Howes]

So it's a hypothetical question. So I'd like you to imagine I've had you imagine your childhood, your older self. I'd like you to imagine that many years away from now. It's your last day on earth, and you get to live and accomplish and do everything you want to do. All the ups and downs and the beauty of life. You get to live as old as you want to be. But then eventually, it's got to be your last day. Hypothetical.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Okay, so it's your last day.

[Lewis Howes]

Last day. You've accomplished everything.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

But for whatever reason, all of the words that you've said, all the content, this interview, your books, anything you create.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Goes away, goes to the next place. So no one has access to your information anymore.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Okay. Your blank slate.

[Lewis Howes]

Blank slate.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

No one's got your. Your message to the world.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

If you could leave three lessons behind and this is all we would have to remember you by. Three lessons.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I call it really intense.

[Lewis Howes]

You know, it's called the school of greatness. It's not school average.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, wow.

[Lewis Howes]

You had three lessons. You leave behind. I call it three truths.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Based on what's on your heart right now. What would be those three truths?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't know. Always stay true to yourself. Like, never give up on your dreams.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

Which.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Cheesy, but very true. And. I don't know. Third one. I don't know, I feel like maybe you can't make anyone else happy. You can only make yourself happy. Mm.

[Lewis Howes]

That's so true. You can't make anyone else happy.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Did you have to learn that the hard way?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yes, I did. I've had.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yep. Many times. Yep. I cannot make anyone else happy, no matter what I do or how hard I try. So I can only make myself happy. And I can make someone else happier, but I can't make someone happy.

[Lewis Howes]

I think I saw Will Smith share a quote about this recently. He was like, happiness. I think he was talking about his wife. Happiness is her responsibility. I can contribute to the happiness.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I've seen that one.

[Lewis Howes]

But it's not my responsibility to make someone happy.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Exactly.

[Lewis Howes]

It's my responsibility to make me happy. There's to make them.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. Which seems, like, really kind of narcissistic in a way, but it's true. Because if you're. If you don't know who you are and, like, you don't know what makes you happy, like, how are you supposed to make someone else happy? It's like, you have to focus on yourself, and if everyone focuses on making themselves happy, like, we'll be a lot better.

[Lewis Howes]

I feel like up until recently, I have been in the pattern my entire life of wanting to please and make others happy, especially, like, intimate relationships and close dynamics. And it hasn't been until up until recently when I've started to really not abandon myself in those settings, make sure I stand up for what I want, say what I need to say, and not just boundaries. Give in and do something to make someone else happy.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Because I've done that my entire life up until recently. And I tell you what, it's exhausting trying to live that way.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's very.

[Lewis Howes]

It's exhausting. Right, Lindsay?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Very exhausting.

[Lewis Howes]

What made you realize that? That's one of your truths. When did you realize, like, okay, this is.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, trial and error.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah. Do you feel like you were that way in multi? Do you feel like you were like that with family or intimate relationships and business?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Well, a lot of things, really. I think, you know, personal stuff, but also, like, you know, with media stuff. I had to learn to say no. Like, I can't please everybody. I can't do everything that everybod wants me to do. I can't sign. I can't physically sign every autograph, even though it kills me when I see little kids and I'm like, I literally physically have to go to the start right now. I can't. I literally have to raise. I literally cannot sign your autograph. That's tough, and that's really hard, but that's the reality. And, you know, I can't live my life, you know, upset that I didn't do something or I didn't make somebody happy or one person doesn't like me or, you know, I mean, you can't live your life that way. And, you know, sometimes it really ate at me, and. Yeah. But now it's like, I can only do what I can do.

[Lewis Howes]

Right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know, I can't do more than that, and I can't. I can't make other people happy again.

[Lewis Howes]

To the point, how have you learned how to disappoint people and be okay with it? Because I feel like I'm gonna need to learn how to just be comfortable.

[Lindsey Vonn]

If I'm not disappointed in myself, like, if I'm ha. If I can again turn the lights off, go to sleep on myself and say, I did the best I could today, then that. Then that's what is what it is.

[Lewis Howes]

What if you disappoint millions of people? How do you feel?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I mean, it sucks, right? But that's. You mean either you made a mistake and you gotta live with it and just own it, or, you know, people just don't like you.

[Lewis Howes]

Right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

But if, you know, if that's. If it's like something that you really believe in, then that's what it is. Yeah. You know, I mean, you can't change who you are. You can't change what you think or, you know what I mean? It's like some people, no matter how polarizing, have opinions and, you know, as long as that's what you believe and you're. You. You know, you're true to it, then that's, you know, who am I to judge someone else's opinion? That's the thing. I never judge anyone else. Like, you know, no matter what it is, whatever you believe, that's. That's you. I'm not. I have nothing to. I'm not going to criticize that. I.

[Lewis Howes]

You know, what would you say has been the biggest emotional challenge for you to overcome in your life? You talked about kind of depression and mental health. Is it people pleasing? Is it staying true to yourself emotionally? Is it trusting yourself?

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

What's.

[Lewis Howes]

What's been the biggest emotional challenge?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I think people pleasing.

[Lewis Howes]

Really?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

You've been like. You've been like me your entire life, too.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Working on myself. Yeah. Because I'm. I'm very. I'm selfish when it comes to skiing because you have to be focused on yourself in order to make gains and to be in that position. But, you know, I was very selfless when it came to, you know, other people around me and, like. Like wanting them to be happy. And that takes a lot of energy. And it's like very. It's very draining.

[Lewis Howes]

Exhausting.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Exhausting.

[Lewis Howes]

Why do you think people live in that way, in that. In that space? Like, why do you think me and you have done that and others tend to do that?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Question for Dr. Mondo.

[Lewis Howes]

There we go.

[Lindsey Vonn]

What is the answer to this question? You know, I don't know. I've always been like that. You know, I'm the oldest of five. I always try to take care of my siblings at, you know, change all their diapers. Like, you know, I just. I Help when I can. I, you know, try to make everybody happy and I don't know, that's so tough. Excite some. You gotta ask Dr. Mondo, like I'll ask some psychologist, because that's a deep question I don't have the answer for.

[Lewis Howes]

I will ask him.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

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[Lewis Howes]

I've got one final question for you and a statement. Before I share the statement and ask the question, I want people to follow you because I love your content over on social media. So check out Lindsey Vaughn with two N's around social media. You got LindseyBond.com as well, right? Or what's your, your website?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't use a dot com anymore.

[Lewis Howes]

Your website?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, it's there.

[Lewis Howes]

Gotcha. But social media is your main thing. Is it Instagram or Twitter or Facebook? Which one you use most?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Probably Instagram the most. But yeah, all, all those platforms. I'm not really on TikTok.

[Lewis Howes]

We gotta get you on there.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I feel like I'm too old. I don't know.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm 38 and I'm on TikTok.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Oh, come on.

[Lewis Howes]

The generation is getting older, you know?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Remember when Facebook was just for college kids?

[Lindsey Vonn]

There's so many platforms. It's really overwhelming.

[Lewis Howes]

But you got a great team, don't you?

[Lindsey Vonn]

I do it all myself.

[Lewis Howes]

Oh. You got to build your team just like you had in sports.

[Lindsey Vonn]

That's not me. That's not authentic. I'm. This is me. This is everything that's on there. That's all me. I don't.

[Lewis Howes]

Of course, but you can have teams support you just like everything.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't trust anybody, so I messed it up.

[Lewis Howes]

Everything on the slopes is all you. But you had a team to support you with the tuning the skis and doing this and making your schedules good.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, but would I have my team come in here and do an interview for me?

[Lewis Howes]

No.

[Lindsey Vonn]

So you got you there.

[Lewis Howes]

So you can still. You can still post your content. Take the content you want to do and make sure they support you in other ways.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's actually an extra step. It's actually an extra step.

[Lewis Howes]

Okay.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's easier for me to post it than to send it to somebody.

[Lewis Howes]

I get it.

[Lindsey Vonn]

You know what I mean?

[Lewis Howes]

I get it.

[Lindsey Vonn]

It's like, also, it's like, what's the point? I say what I want to say.

[Lewis Howes]

It's very authentic. Yeah, it's very authentic. Very inspiring.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Just me. If you want to follow me, great. If not, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there. There's millions of people.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor/Ad Reader)]

It's great.

[Lewis Howes]

And you got a book coming out next year, early next year, which I'm excited to share out as well. So be on the lookout for that. People can pre order it hopefully soon. I don't know if they can preorder it now.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I don't think they can now, but.

[Lewis Howes]

In a few months, I think they're.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Going to be pretty soon. Yeah. It's called Rise.

[Lewis Howes]

It's called Rise. It's gonna be inspiring. About all these lessons and more.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yes. I really should talk to you, Pearl.

[Lewis Howes]

The book, but I'm sure I'm assuming you're sharing a lot of these.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yes, I am.

[Lewis Howes]

Insights and more. Philosophies and stories and lessons. Right?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah. It's kind of like all of the things that I've experienced in my life and what it taught me and, like, how I overcame it and, you know, like, more the mental side of it. And it's meant to be, you know, inspiring because, you know, we all face obstacles and, you know, we all have to overcome certain things. And so, yeah, my life as a roller coaster written down.

[Lewis Howes]

Beautiful, beautiful, exciting. So when that comes out, make sure you guys pre order that. My statement, Lindsey, is I want to acknowledge you for a moment for the incredible life you've had up until now, for the ups and downs and for being so mentally and emotionally tough to continue to show up for your dreams even when you had so many injuries. I've been surgeries and injuries myself, and I know how hard it is sometimes to come back after the first time, but then after 30 times. For you to keep showing up for your dreams and for your heart is so beautiful and inspiring. And also for you to know when it's time to transition, I think it's inspiring as well, even if you didn't maybe want to. But showing up authentically where you're at now, healing in the process of the transition, being a positive force for your fans, your followers, and your family, which is most important. It's really inspiring to meet you, to connect with you, and to hear about these stories and kind of know more about your life. So I acknowledge you for all this that you've created and accomplished, and I'm excited to see what you create moving forward. And when I'm at an event that you're at, I know exactly what I'm gonna do. Coming right up.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I'm nice.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm gonna ask you, how are you feeling? How are you feeling?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Thank you. Yes, that'd be great.

[Lewis Howes]

Yes.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Look forward to it.

[Lewis Howes]

I'm very excited. My final question. What is your definition of greatness?

[Lindsey Vonn]

My definition of greatness is like, overcoming all obstacles. I mean, I think the greatness isn't just, you know, a perfect run on a perfect day. You know, it's when you're at your absolute limit and, you know, you're scratching and clawing to get to the finish, and, you know, you make it and you push yourself past where you, you know, think you could ever go. Because, you know, like, Tom Brady, you know, his best. He always has, like, his best performance isn't, you know, winning this or that Super Bowl. There's, like, certain moments where he felt like he overcame a lot. And those are. Those are, like, really great moments. And again, to each his own. So not everyone has the same experience, and everyone's greatness is different, but, yeah, beautiful.

[Lewis Howes]

Were you in greatness code also?

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yes, I was. So many greatness.

[Lewis Howes]

That's right.

[Lindsey Vonn]

So many greatness.

[Lewis Howes]

Well, I remember that story from that of Tom Brady talking about that. I was like, oh, I think you were in that, too. Yeah, it's a great series.

[Lindsey Vonn]

I always watch stuff like that because I think it's so cool. Yeah, it's really cool to see and to hear and you know, again, everyone has their own experiences and it's interesting to learn from that.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Vonn]

Yeah, I think it's all very inspirational.

[Lewis Howes]

Love it. Lindsay Gone thank you for being here. Appreciate it.

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