The Mirror Conspiracy

Summary

The Shane Dawson Podcast

Episode: The Mirror Conspiracy

Date: July 12, 2026
Host: Shane Dawson
Co-hosts: Rylan, Jared, Lizzie, Chris
Special Segments: “New Fears UNLOCKED,” “Conspiracy Corner,” “Guilty or Innocent”

Episode Overview

This episode, titled "The Mirror Conspiracy," dives deep into the increasingly strange intersections between social media trends, artificial intelligence, government meddling, and conspiracy theories. Shane and his squad—sans the ailing Spencer—bring their signature blend of humor, skepticism, and “brutally honest stories” to a sprawling conversation about how AI-driven trends might be manipulating us, what big tech really wants, the science and lore behind mirrors, and the wild possibility that everything from pistachios to dinosaurs might just be part of a larger conspiracy. Ranging from pop culture to the supernatural, and always circling back to the brain’s butter-like consistency and existential uncertainty, this episode weaves together modern anxieties with classic Shane Dawson fascination.

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Table of Contents

• Squad Catch-Up & Nostalgia Vibes
• AI, Social Media, & Emotional Harvesting
• Food Trends, Pistachios & Government Influence
• Aliens, Project Bluebeam & End-of-World Theories
• Underground Evolution: Aliens as Human Descendants
• Cinema, Vertical Video, and the Disney Hexed Theory
• Giants, Dragons, and Dinosaurs—Oh My!
• The Doom Conspiracy & Organoid Intelligence
• The Mirror Theory: What Are We Really Looking At?
• Guilty or Innocent Game—Confessions and Laughs
• Shout-Outs, Brain Butter & Recap

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Squad Catch-Up & Nostalgia Vibes

01:45–03:15

• The crew opens with jokes about missing Spencer (out sick) but feeling like old-school Shane Podcast days.
• Shane: “We are a neck chain up.” (01:51)
• Jokes about shopping for bougie chains “at a cart in the mall, but bougie.” (02:03)
• A short update about planning live screening events for Shane’s new pilot—crowdsourcing city preferences from listeners.

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AI, Social Media, & Emotional Harvesting

03:15–05:27

• Discussion begins with a conspiracy: are TikTok and Instagram trends actually secret data-harvesting operations for AI?
• Shane references friend Sandy’s theory: “What if AI is creating the trends, going viral, and all of us humans just jump in…?” (03:17)
• Guest explains the “Say It Different Ways” TikTok trend:

  “Big tech companies need emotional training data to train their emotion recognition models… By manufacturing a trend on a meta platform that induces a ton of emotion recognition training data, that’s an easy win for a big tech company…” (03:26)

• Jokes about how they can "never enjoy trends any more."
• Shane, on losing innocence:

  “I feel so stupid. Every time I see a trend now on Instagram… I just know. This was manufactured by AI. This was manufactured by big tech.” (04:24)

• Brief tangent about emoji-based memes going viral.
• Increasing skepticism about everything online:

  “Why are we giving AI more?... I even saw an article about improv comedians working with big tech to train AI on improv comedy. I’m like, what are we doing?” (05:04)

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Food Trends, Pistachios & Government Influence

16:01–18:05

• Shane points out the suspicious rise in pistachio everything:

  “Every restaurant you go to, they’re like, pistachio-crusted fries. And I’m like, nobody wants this.” (16:01)

• The real reason? U.S. government pushing California pistachios to undercut Iran and Turkey (the world’s top producers)—“it’s all a big plot to corner the market and take all the money away from Iran." (16:12)
• Joke about water-hungry pistachios growing in drought-prone California: “Growing pistachios there is just a stupid idea.”
• Conversation reveals a pattern—trending foods like protein bars and “dot cake” often follow broader industry or political needs, not consumer craving.
• Shane, on trends:

  “Now, I’m just saying in the future, when we start to see a food trend go viral… there’s gotta be a theory about that.” (18:08)

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Aliens, Project Bluebeam & End-of-World Theories

07:54–10:56

• Rolling through topics—face-scanning AI, emotion-driven marketing, and social engineering.
• Theory: AI-driven kiosks at restaurants could up-sell based on emotional recognition.
• Shane paranoia:

  “What if TikTok is using their Face ID infrared camera to watch you the whole time you’re on the app…?” (07:54)

• Introduction of “Project Bluebeam”: Theorized government project to fake an alien invasion to create mass fear.
• News blurb: Bank of England warns clients to prepare for a financial crisis linked to possible alien existence—a “conditioning” effort to foster fear and compliance.
• Co-host:

  “They want you conditioned to be afraid of aliens… If the mass consensus is they’re going to harm us… nothing good could come of this.” (09:38)

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Underground Evolution: Aliens as Human Descendants

12:02–15:01

• “What if aliens are actually ancient humans who evolved underground after a catastrophe 12,000 years ago?”
• Epic breakdown by Lizzie:

  “…sinkholes developed everywhere, the oceans flooded… people that survived built underground colonies… their eyes got larger, their brains grew, their bodies shrank… they started to look like aliens.” (12:02)

• Shane:

  “You’re describing a f---ing alien.” (13:09)

• Theory: lizard people/reptilians as ultimate underground survivors.
• Twist: Aliens/underground people returning possibly to help humanity avoid extinction.
• Wraparound summary:

  “We should be more afraid of AI than aliens… AI is going to kill us way before the aliens.” (15:01)

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Cinema, Vertical Video, and the Disney Hexed Theory

24:46–28:49

• Shane calls out Disney’s trailer for new film “Hexed”: The main character is always center-framed—possibly designed for easy cropping into TikTok/Reel format.
• Co-hosts: “They’re making content for vertical first!” (26:02)
• Reflection on Quibi (the “failed but possibly prophetic” vertical streaming startup).
• Rylan, disgruntled:

  “It’s like the exact opposite of cinematic… shooting everything vertical and center-frame is inherently not cinematic at all.” (28:49)

• Growing lament about the screen world we now inhabit—watching vertically on phones vs. the big, cinematic experience.

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Giants, Dragons, and Dinosaurs—Oh My!

29:31–35:58

• Shane revisits Jared’s “giant tree/giant civilization” theory, once mocked but now “sweeping the nation.”
• Tangents:
  • Huge ancient doors = evidence of giants
  • Ancient civilizations with weaker gravity could grow larger people, living alongside dinosaurs (or as giants among “lizard” creatures).
• Wildest stretch:

  “There is a theory that dinosaurs are fake and they’re actually covering up the fact that there used to be giants and dragons.” (32:41)

• Lizzie (breaking down bones and museums):

  “The term [dinosaur] wasn’t even coined until, like, 1840… if you ever go to a museum, those aren’t even real bones.” (33:06)

• Shane notes the perpetual, profitable popularity of dinosaurs as possibly suspicious:

  “It really is just a staple in our economy… If the theory is that it was created and it’s not real, that is kind of funny because it really worked out.” (34:52)

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The Doom Conspiracy & Organoid Intelligence

39:00–44:02

• Viral doom: Human brains grown in a lab (organoid intelligence) are now being trained alongside AI to play video games like Doom.
• “Organoid brains can learn faster, are more energy efficient than AI, and possibly, terrifyingly, self-aware.” (39:37)
• Shane, on the ethics:

  "They actually have similar brain activity to a premature baby… there’s decent evidence that they're conscious just like a person… you can rent out server space on these organoid brains to do computation for you."

• Scariest part: In between server clients, these mini-brains “exist in a simulation, like a butterfly… and might believe they are that butterfly.”
• Existential kicker:

  “If this is possible, you can make a pretty good case that we are just organoid brains somewhere and this is a simulation that we’re in.” (39:37)

• Black Mirror is invoked several times: What’s sci-fi and what’s reality anymore?

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The Mirror Theory: What Are We Really Looking At?

44:13–49:48

• A chilling TikTok audio introduces ancient superstitions about mirrors trapping souls, acting as portals, or being windows for spirits.
• Co-host:

  “The only thing a mirror gives me is emotional distress.” (45:13)

• Group plays with the idea: How much did mirrors change the psyche and self-awareness of civilization?
• Viral TikTok experiment: Record yourself with your phone’s front-facing and back-facing cameras. The person you see is not the person others see.

  “Who the fuck is that?” —Shane, after trying the challenge (47:45)

• Insight: Front-facing cameras are mirrored to prevent users from being “scared” by their true face.
• Notable quote:

  “If my front-facing camera showed what I actually look like, every time I looked in the mirror, I'd get scared—or vice versa. So they want to combine those two things so that you don't get scared. It's like scary.” (48:43)

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Guilty or Innocent Game—Confessions and Laughs

53:05–61:13

• Host Setup: Shane hosts a rapid-fire “Guilty or Innocent” game, posing questions like:
  • Do you talk to yourself when you’re alone? (53:30)
  • Ever pretended to perform a concert alone? (54:29)
  • Used the phone in the bathroom? (56:28)
  • Waited on texts/replies out of spite? (57:03)
  • Lurked for mean comments? (59:41)
  • Unread texts? Who’s the worst at keeping up? (61:16)
• What starts light soon veers into self-revelation, with endearing honesty and joking self-judgment.
  • “I do it all the time…” (Shane, on self-talk) (53:47)
  • “I pretend I’m getting murdered in the shower… like I’m in a Scream movie.” (Shane) (56:07)
• Revelations on digital etiquette, email-phobia, and the anxiety of phone notifications.

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Shout-Outs, Brain Butter & Recap

61:13–65:39

• End-of-show wrap includes a spooky tip about AI phone scams:

  “If you answer a call and they say, ‘Hello, can you hear me?’ Never say yes. They can take your voice and put it anywhere…” (63:01)

• Shane shares a personal story about falling briefly for an AI scam, warning listeners about how realistic bots can be.
• Quick “life hack”: Listen for a beep on calls; it could mean you’re being recorded.
• Final thoughts: brains as “room temperature butter” (a motif throughout the episode).
  • “You can’t believe it’s not butter.” (64:47)
  • “Well, you guys butter let us know in the comments if you want us to keep playing games on this show.” (64:51)
  • Amused lamentations on age, culture, and mind-melting modernity.

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Notable Quotes

• Shane:

  “Every time I see a trend now, I just know. This was manufactured by AI. I can never enjoy it anymore.” (04:24)

• Lizzie:

  “It always goes back to lizard people.” (13:14)

• Shane:

  “You’re describing a fucking alien!” (13:09)

• Co-host:

  “We should be more afraid of AI than aliens. AI is going to kill us way before the aliens.” (15:01)

• Shane on mirrors:

  “The only thing a mirror gives me is emotional distress.” (45:13)

• Chris:

  “You can't believe it’s not butter.” (64:47)

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening Nostalgia/Squad Check — 01:45–03:15
• AI/Trends Data Harvesting — 03:15–05:27
• Food Trends & Pistachio Conspiracy — 16:01–18:05
• Aliens, Project Bluebeam, End of the World — 07:54–10:56
• Underground Human Evolution Theory — 12:02–15:01
• Vertical Video & Disney’s “Hexed” — 24:46–28:49
• Giants, Dinosaurs, Dragons—Myth & Money — 29:31–35:58
• Doom/Organoid Intelligence — 39:00–44:02
• The Mirror Conspiracy/Camera Challenge — 44:13–49:48
• Guilty or Innocent Game — 53:05–61:13
• Closing thoughts/AI Scams/Brain Butter — 61:13–65:39

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Episode Mood & Takeaways

With rapid-fire pop culture references, speculative theories, and self-aware humor, this episode is both unnerving and entertaining—a Shane Dawson trademark. The spectrum runs from playful group oversharing to genuine anxiety about tech and reality, always circling around the deep question: How much of what we see and do is real, and how much is manipulated by forces (human or otherwise) we can barely imagine?

“Now it feels like every theory we’ve heard in the past ten years is connected. It can’t just be a coincidence.” —Lizzie (14:06)

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Perfect episode if you want to question your reality, laugh about existential dread, and feel like you’re in the middle of a pop-culture sleepover with conspiratorial besties.
You might walk away watching yourself (and your phone) a little differently.

Transcript

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so then I did it, right? Cause I was like, oh, interesting. Let me do this. But it freaked me out. That's me. That looks like me. Oh, what? Yeah, that was my rant.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Wow, you're really blowing my mind at this point.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Is that kind of scary? Hey, what's up you guys? Okay, really quick. We wanna come to your city. I'm so excited. I started the process of planning some screenings of the pil and I have a link. It's in the description below. It's also in the pinned comment. If you want to come and see the pilot in person, meet me, meet some of the cast and maybe some of the podcast squad. Whoever can come, just click the link and put what the closest big city is to you. And we're going to take all that data and figure out where we can go. And I'm really excited about it and I can't wait for you guys to see the pilot. And yeah, I'll talk more about it in the next episode. But yeah, enjoy the episode.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Bye.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Hey, what's up, you guys? Welcome back. And yes, we are one down.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

But you know what?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

We are a neck chain up.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

We definitely are. When I first walked in, I thought he upgraded.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I, I, I experienced the purchase of this.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Really?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Where was it?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Tiffany's? It was a cart in the middle of the mall, but bougie.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

But it's look and Tiffany supporting small business.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Yes, I like that.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yes, we are back.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And you know what? First of all, Spencer's okay. He is sick. We feel terrible. We were gonna cancel the shoot, but me and Rylan are going to Colorado in like two days and we're gonna be gone. So, like, we literally had to shoot today. He was like, I could wear gloves and a mask. And I was like, rest, sweetie, you need it.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

So.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

But this also kind of feels like old school vibes.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I was gonna say this feels like when we filmed the first one ever. It all feels new, so everything felt different and confusing for me.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I keep looking over it. Nothing. Well, we're back, guys. And we're so excited. We're gonna jump into this. We do have a game prepared. I have prepared a game that I'm kind of nervous and excited about. We're gonna do it near the end of the show, but it's called Guilty or Innocent. But we'll get to that later in the show. But first, so maybe like two months ago, Sandy had this theory that really blew my mind. She was like, what if all these TikTok trends, you know, the show yourself when you're a baby or what you were like in 2016. Like, what if all of those are just training AI to see more pictures of us, pictures of us as a baby? Like, what if AI is creating the trends right, and, like, going viral and then all of us humans start to jump in and do the trends right? Then I saw this and oh, my God.

[Guest or expert (providing detailed info on tech and aliens)]

So the say it different ways trend that's going viral right now, where somebody says a phrase in a bunch of different ways that is going viral because big tech companies need emotional training data to train their emotion recognition models. And so by manufacturing a trend on a meta platform that induces a ton of emotion recognition training data in the same format, that's an easy win for a big tech company to use or sell that data. And meta does use the data that they collect from reels to train their LLMs and potentially to sell to other clients, like the federal government.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so she continues to talk about the data situation. I'm distracted because I need a Diet Dr. Pepper shirt that's iconic.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yeah. This is crazy. And I. I'm so done.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Lawyer.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Oh, he's not here. Lawyer.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I don't care.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I'm sorry. Perfect. Guilty. I'm so fucking over.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I'm so done. I feel so stupid. Every time I see a trend now on Instagram or. Well, I don't open TikTok, but every time I see a trend now, I just know. This was manufactured by AI. This was manufactured by big tech. They are doing something or trying to get something. I can never enjoy the trend anymore. Although personally, I like the one where it's like emojis and it'll be like a dolphin, an angry face. Do you know what I'm talking about? And it'll be like, well, not to get gross, but there was one going around like, I'm going to come, but it was like, you know, I don't think you're angry. You were like an angry. It's like, I'm going to come. And then it was a dolphin.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Get him.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Whatever.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

You bitch. You bitch. Fucking bitch.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay, that was incredible.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

First.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Yeah, I need you anyways. Yes, of course. AI just needs to hear us say certain phrases in all different emotions because AI is not good at sarcasm. It's not good at humor. I even saw an article, article recently that freaked me out. Where there is now an improv comedian group training, like, working with a big tech company to train AI on improv comedy. I'm like, what are we doing?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Why are we giving.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Why are we giving AI more?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

That just sounds like a joke.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I know. It sounds like a show.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay. Speaking of things that AI we thought they couldn't do, I remember in the last episode, Jared said, well, you know what? Why don't we just get really good at cooking is why.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think the best thing you could do right now is learn how to

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

cook really good food, and I can't do that.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I think a robot can do that.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah. Elon Musk. Robots are going to be able to in the future, right?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Get really good at cooking.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You're never going to take that ability away from a human. That's always going to be what the human does best. Check this out, guys.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think this is the beginning of the end. A restaurant called Cali Express in California has a fully automated restaurant. I mean, they don't need anybody. No one to put the fries in the oil, nobody to flip the burgers, nobody to take your order. They actually remember your order when you come in. It's fully automated. Which leads me to believe that this is going to start happening everywhere. And of course it starts in California.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I hate it.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I'm curious.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Me too. I mean, but I'm sad. It takes away jobs.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I do think, though, one, I can't imagine how much it is to insure that business if there's nobody ever in there and they're responsible for super hot grease flipping things around, turning on fires. That's pretty crazy. And even, like the face recognition, you know, to what you were talking about just before that, with how AI wants to be able to actually analyze your emotions. But in an even darker level, let's just say that their studies show that when somebody is sad, they're more likely to buy a dessert or something like that. Like, if they're sad, they like to supersize more because they like to eat the feeling. Whatever the case, okay, I'm attacked. But this is like a big deal. Like, you know, like, so when they scan your face on that kiosk that they're having you order off of, maybe if it recognizes that there's sadness in your eyes, they're like, would you like to add an extra whatever? Because last time you came, you had that same look on your face. And your last second added that maybe to your order or maybe the last person did, But. So it's. It's like, the more they can. Like we talk about Palantir in the past and how they're basically getting all this information out of you, but the other end of it is how do they use information based off of what they know about you to influence you? And all of this. I mean, there's, like, five other things I'm sure we'll get to, but it all makes Project Bluebeam look very, very realistic. And we haven't even gotten to aliens yet. And there's some crazy stuff about aliens that involve all of this.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, I even, like, have noticed if I'm having a sad day and I'm not even talking about it, like, I'm just, like, having a sad day to myself all up on Instagram. And there'll be reels about, like, feeling sad. Like, it literally knows, I think, because it's just tracking my face, which is tracking my emotions. Just a theory. So what if TikTok is using their Face ID infrared camera to watch you the whole time you're on the app to see if you're laughing, smiling, scared, cringed. And what if that's how they know what to recommend you, because they're watching your face? It is crazy. And then even sometimes, I'll have a voice in my head and I'll start questioning. I'm like, why am I thinking about this? Is my phone telling me to think about this? Very, very scary. But like Jared said, Project Bluebeam. Aliens.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So if we want to get a little bit more into aliens, I could tell you something I heard recently that made a lot of sense.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Does it correlate with the end of the world?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It does. It does have to do with the end of the world. However, it doesn't have to do with them destroying the world. It's more or less. What are they? And what is their role in the world we currently live in amongst ourselves? You know, aside from them?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Yes. Tell me that right after this clip. It ties into this.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Perfect.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

What do you mean?

[Guest or expert (providing detailed info on tech and aliens)]

Bank of England warned their people to prepare for an economic chaos sparked by alien existence.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

What?

[Guest or expert (providing detailed info on tech and aliens)]

The bank of England says to plan for a financial crisis triggered by aliens.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Huh.

[Guest or expert (providing detailed info on tech and aliens)]

I'm sorry, what's the angle here?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So, yeah, the bank of England, that's allegedly. They put that out there to tell their clients to prepare for catastrophe involving aliens. What is going on?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think what they're getting at is the aliens are going to come and threaten us somehow. I mean, the whole thing is they want you conditioned to be afraid of aliens. I don't think any of us are thinking an alien walks in, we're hanging out, you know, he's telling me his life story and all that. But I'm also talking about the mass public, you know, like you guys are afraid. Not everybody has the kind of critical thinking, thinking about aliens and all this. They just know that aliens are out there. And I wonder what the hell they would do, you know. So if the mass consensus is they're going to harm us in some way, that the second that we see them, it's going to be like impending doom. It can't be a good thing. If an alien like an Independence Day, nothing could come of this. So they want us afraid. And they probably know that at that point people are going to, you know, have to resort to crazy measures. A lot of people might not survive whatever happens at that point. And people are going to barricade themselves. That's why maybe so many bunkers are being built, I don't know. But if that happens, who's spending money out there? So maybe it's a matter of there is going to be something because finances are just going to almost cease to even make sense because the world will be in disarray from the aliens. Or at least that's what they want you to think. So maybe you close all your accounts out, you do all these things, you build yourself a bunker, you go underground, whatever the case may be. But I mean, I think it just all ties into that. But I don't think that's the case. Twist alert.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I think it could be your future husband.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So I had actually.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'm just saying they found a way to get to us. You never know where could they take you on a first date?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

What?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You're married.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I know, but I'm just saying it

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

just sounds like you're appealing to Never.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Are you trying to fuck an alien?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'm just saying I think this could be positive because you get to.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I don't like this.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'm not saying for me. I'm just saying for all of you out there longing for the right person.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Maybe they're not a person.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Jerk.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

Help.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Alright, so I heard something today when I was researching one of the topics.

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[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

that I wanted to go over that. Let's say I believe it's like 12,000 years ago where there was a little shift in the Earth's gravitational pull and spin of like 5 degrees. But what this did is it threw everything off to the point where sinkholes developed everywhere. The oceans obviously flooded the majority of the land. I mean, volcanoes erupted, which means that the whole sky was black and that the atmosphere was completely shot. We couldn't get sun to us. So what happened is it wiped out about two thirds of the population. And the people that were able to survive built underground colonies and they pretty much just survived underground for potentially thousands of years. But what happened is because they lived underground for so long, they started to evolve into what made more sense for them. It was mainly dark, so their eyes had to get larger pupils, so their eyes had to get a little bit bigger, like Gollum. And then also they really needed to be able to think intellectually on a deeper level so they could figure things out. They were in a much harder predicament

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

than we might be.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So their brains grew, which made their body bigger, and it was easier for them with less body weight in order to achieve the things they needed to do and they could fit more people in their communities.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You're describing a fucking alien.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It's an alien, right?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Or Gollum.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

That's an alien.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Like it could be Gollum. But this is believed to be the aliens. But even some of them evolved possibly into being more reptilian, because that's the underground species that has the best survival and, like adaptation to it. So it somehow always goes back to lizard people. But that sounds to me like the idea is that aliens are actually humans that evolved into a place they needed to be. And the people that were left here on Earth all adapted to whatever region that they were in. That's why people have like, maybe different attributes, let's say, because they needed to adapt to the environment. But it goes in line with so many of the theories that we've talked about in, like, I think five years ago, if you were to bring up 10 theories to somebody, it would be very hard to interconnect any of these things. But now it feels like almost every theory that we've heard of for the past 10 years somehow is connected to all these other theories that are coming out. And it makes a lot of sense to me. It can't just all be coincidence that things are lining up the way they are.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

How do we identify the lizard celebrities among us?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

They don't reside amongst us, I guess, in this theory, or if they did, I mean, but they're more or less us that are coming back, like from the future to a degree, and we're the society that was left behind.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

Wow.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So maybe they're good. So maybe what they're coming here for is actually to help us, because their main concern is that at some point we'll take over each other and we'll cause the extinction. So they're going to come back and try to help the people that want to be helped. So maybe that's the case and they don't want to blow us up.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

First of all, why do you look

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

like you just survived the Titanic?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Because it feels like the Titanic. Temperatures in here.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It's 100 degrees outside.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Are you guys not cold?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

No.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

No.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Do you want to switch chairs?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I will, because it's blowing right in my face. Really good point. But I forgot what we were talking about. Oh, yes, we should be more afraid of AI than aliens. That was my wraparound.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Yes, we should definitely be more afraid

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

of AI than AI is going to kill us way before the aliens.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, you know what else AI does? Manufactures trends. You know who else manufactures trends?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Potentially the government.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

When I saw this, I. Because I have been saying every time a trend comes around, there has to be a purpose for it. Right. I know the original theory. This is just a theory. And we probably cut it out of the episode when we talked about it because it's too gross. But there was a theory that Dubai Chocolate was created to, like, change the search results. Because before, when you would search Dubai Chocolate, it was like people getting pooped on.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Two girls. One cup showed up first.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

So.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So allegedly they came up with Dubai Chocolate and just wipe that out. But then, did you guys notice that started and then pistachios became the it girl. She was in every fucking thing. She's in coffee, she's in desserts, she has milk now.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

It's true.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

She's literally like every restaurant you go to, they're like pistachio crusted fries. And I'm like, nobody wants us.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Well, I try it, but it's like too much.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, there might be a reason I

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

knew there was a reason that every single person was selling pistachios super hard this year, but I couldn't figure out why. I thought maybe it was just a trend reaching the US from the Middle east because that's where they eat and sell a lot of pistachios. But apparently the reason overall that we're selling so many more these past few years is because the US Government does not like the fact that Iran exports themselves a lot of pistachios. Them in Turkey are the largest sellers of that product. And. And so as a result, they've done a really large push in California to have farmers start selling and growing pistachios. Because of this push, they are now cornering 99% of the market in the U.S. in California, that's where they're growing all of our pistachios. And people are obligated to buy them right now because tariffs make buying pistachios out of the country way more expensive. And so, in general, it's all a big plot to corner the market and take all the money away from Iran. And it's funny because it's in California, a state that notoriously has a drought. So growing pistachios there is just a stupid idea.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

The plot thickens. What she said.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yes.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It kept getting deeper.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It's crazy.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I'm so done with trends in general with Instagram trends, the emotion trends AI is doing. And now food trends. Because I feel like every few months there's a new one. And to me, it always ties back to a theory. The protein trend. Oh, my God, we're still in that one. But everything. High protein, high protein, high protein. And now learning that allegedly just a theory. They want us to stop eating meat because, you know, we talked about in the last episode, and if we stop eating meat, we're gonna need to get protein from somewhere else. And now they're putting protein in fucking everything in candy bars. Like, what are we doing here? So now, I'm just saying in the future, when we start to see a food trend start to go viral. And listen, I'm not talking about dirty Diet Coke because she's fine.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Okay. Dot cake. That's the most recent one.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

What could have been the reason for dog cake? Because there has to be a theory about that.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Those sprinkles weren't selling because they're the worst.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yeah. Honestly, they needed a way to move.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Listen, that's a surface level so that

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

they can go under production or out of production.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

What is a dot cake?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Wanna laugh? Where do you Live.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I mean, I guess dog cakes haven't crossed paths with me just yet.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I can't even guess what that is.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

They're coming your way. And I really think it's something that the aliens made to confirm that we're dumb enough to take us, even though I've been on their side.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

And what are they?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Just a piece of cake.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'll Google an image for you.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It's just everywhere on Instagram, everywhere. And now it's dot everything. You can get a dot cake latte, you can get a dot cake bagel, you can get a dot cake, but you can do mashed potatoes. And instead of sprinkles, it's bacon. Like it's too much.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

So they're basically just putting cakes in cups and putting the dot sprinkles on top.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Oh, fuck dot cakes. I hate dot cake. I didn't know what they were. Could care less if I ever find out.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Speaking of food, this isn't a theory, but I just want to take you on this little mini rabbit hole that I went down. I'm going to start by showing you this and I'm only going to show you the first five seconds of this room. Listen, did you know that the human brain has the same consistency as room temperature butter?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Your brain has the same consistency as room temperature butter.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

So then I googled it because I

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

was like, that can't be true. Right? My brain can't be sloshing around. That can't be real. I google it a little bit liquidy. And then it said, yes, the brain has the same temperature as warm butter. That's been sitting out for a while. Other good comparisons, soft gelatin or jello. Very, very ripe avocado and tofu.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Interesting.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

So it could just.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I could see.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I like, you guys aren't shook by this. I have butter in my head. Just what's protecting our skull? Yes, your brain is. Butter is crazy. Your brain is butter. Like all those cool little things that

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

your brain looks like, you know, it's

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

like, doo doo, doo.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It looks kind of fun and cool.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It's butter. So if you're telling me that, like, if I touched it, it would just

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

go room temperature butter is the best butter.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I just have questions like, I'm like, it's not the same consistency.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

That's what they're saying.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

It's just the same temperature.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I think it's just being held consistency, Chris. It can't be as soft.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

It is, but we have a skull.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Here we go.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

He's on the same page.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay, maybe now it's blowing my mind because my. I think I just fully rejected it being the same consistency.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

A super ripe avocado.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

I'm gonna throw up.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You can stick your finger through it.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

My butter rejects.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Thank you.

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[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, speaking of our brains being butter, this really gets my butter churn.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

It

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

churns my brain butter.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

There you go.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I saw that.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay. No shade to Disney, right? I do not. I respect the Hustle. I understand. It's a new world. It's a new audience. It's a new situation. Have you heard about the controversy about the trailer for their movie Hexed?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

No.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It's a New animated movie. It's about a witch or something and she has magical powers and she's in high school, right? So I saw this like everyone. Why are people so upset about this Disney movie? I'm going to show you a little few seconds of it and you tell me if you notice anything a little strange.

[Guest or expert (providing detailed info on tech and aliens)]

My whole life I felt like there

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

was something wrong with me.

[Sponsor voice (Plan B)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I'm such an alt chick.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Billy, you owe me a 10 page essay on why you're a pain in my butt. Do not make me call your mom.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

What in the. Okay. Anything noticeable about this trailer that feels

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

maybe a little off?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Did they create the visuals with AI?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

No. I don't know.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Well, I'm having a hard time.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

People started to notice that this trailer was odd because the main character is always in the center of the frame and every important moment is always in the center of the frame.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

They want to repurpose it for shorts.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

They made this movie? No, Allegedly. Just a theory knowing that young people

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

are probably only gonna ever watch it on their phones. So they made it just in case. Allegedly. In a way where they could just

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

crop the whole movie.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Do you.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I mean, now that you're saying that looking at the screen, it almost looks like, hey, here's where you crop it.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Literally. So like, if you rewatch this the first few sec, like, let's rewatch together

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

and like, let's crop it and you can see it.

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[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Oh.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Literally every single moment, the magic happens.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Do you think?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think it's genius. I mean, it's. It's a very smart thing to think out that far ahead and know that. I mean, they're doing analytics constantly, so they know that 80% of people are consuming 80% or more of their content through reels. And it's all about attention these days. So if they're not getting your attention through reels, how are they getting in front of you?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

So do you.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I think.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think it's smart. I mean, granted what it is.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I mean, do you think we're getting to a place on Netflix where it's going to be like, are you. If you you get to choose. Are you watching it vertically or horizontally?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Allegedly. Just a theory that something happening. And you know, it's so funny. Like five years ago everybody made fun of that company, Quibi.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Oh.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And it was like the first streaming platform made for your phone. And everybody was like. Cuz you could watch it like this or you could rotate it. Everybody's like, aha, that's so stupid. Literally they were just ahead of the curve. Because everything now is going to be this. Disney plus now allegedly, I think is incorporating that. You can now watch everything vertically. Like it's very interesting. Like even for me out here trying to pitch the pilot and get my show made, I have had people be like, well, what about repurposing or doing something and turning into like TikToks? Or like, what about making it vertical? What about this? And I'm like, but I didn't frame it like that. There's no like, it's so. It's almost impossible because you're never gonna see both characters at the same time. I don't know.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

That's a weird, crazy world. If everything starts filming in a way that can be utilized as two, that's how it feels. Because it is going to be so many people just consuming like this.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I mean, listen, I get it and I know I'm just old man yelling at the sky or whatever, but I'm so sad and over it.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I hate it. It's. It's like the exact opposite of cinematic is shooting everything vertical and center frame is inherently like not cinematic at all whatsoever. Like when you think of cinematic, you think of things shot like an ultra wide, like shot for like, you know, a movie screen. And then you have someone like in the far, like right corner and you have this vast landscape. Like that's cinema.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

They're not gonna try to reimagine our TVs, are they?

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

I.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

That's where we draw.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Well, they don't really have to. Because if you were to compare how often you look at your TV to your phone, they already got you on your phone. The TV's inevitable. You're gonna be on your TV. But even then you might be looking at vertical stuff. You might watch an hour of TV. You're probably on your phone for 10, you know.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

God.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So they already got you.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, speaking of, I don't know how to transition. Okay, let's talk about Mario. Okay, this one was exciting to me because I love Mario Brothers. I love Super Mario. Like I love it. And I saw this and I was like, this connects to so Much that we've been talking about lately. Check out this Mario theory. Mario is literally a game about a dude who eats mushrooms and starts fighting reptilians.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Literally what we've been talking about.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

The fact that everything's allegedly run by reptiles. The fact that a lot of times they come from underground and he has to kill them. And then also in the last episode, we talked about how if you eat a mushroom, it opens you up to the universe and see things the way they're supposed to be seen. Mario literally, I think, is a conspiracy theorist.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

We're all gonna look back one day and be like, Mario tried to tell us.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I'm already doing it.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

There's a dragon down there spitting fire at people.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, speaking of things that one day we might look back on and think. Think they were trying to tell us. There is a theory. I would say about four years ago, and it was one of our first episodes ever, so it's nice to bring it back. Jared had a theory about giants and everybody laughed. I didn't, but everybody laughed. I even remember people saying that this,

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

this one's a little too far.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I had a hard time after it came out just because people were really digging on me.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

They really were. Because the theory started as what if huge mountains are actually just cut down trees petrified.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Right, right.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

For giants. Jared had a whole theory that the world used to be run by giants and then they all died off and that, you know, and we all and everybody. Hahaheed.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

And now it's sweeping the nation.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

People are talking about giants again.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

And Jared was there first.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So if giants never existed, please explain this next,

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Huh?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

And that's not even the skeletons that they've been discovering. It's a big fucking door.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Yeah, the door latch. Did you see how high the door latch was? That's a flex.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I mean, that is a major flex of a door.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

But why the fuck would you need a door that fucking tall if you're just a human size?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Because they don't even make ladders that high to get that latch.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

There have been theories. I mean, earlier I said how there was this catastrophe that pretty much wiped out the majority of civilization X amount of years ago. So if the world had a different atmosphere, maybe a little bit less gravity, people would be living a lot longer and being much larger. So we're confined. Kind of like, you know, a goldfish will grow to the size of the bowl type thing.

[Guest or contributor (female, social media personality)]

Yes.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Like we could only grow in relation to our resources around us so. Because even in like the last couple hundred Years. People have stories of people that are 10ft tall, but at one point, they were, like, humongous. Maybe they even lived with dinosaurs. And maybe dinosaurs were like little lizards to them.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

We are.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

The transitions are crazy right now because my head's full of butter, and I'm segueing over to Jared, melt my brain with this. There is a theory that dinosaurs. This is not coming from me, by the way. This is just a theory that dinosaurs are fake and they are actually covering up the fact that there used to be giants and dragons.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I know it sounds crazy, but the theory is.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And I'll let Jared dive in deeper. If you look at dinosaur bones and you look at how they were found and you look at how they created these dinosaurs, it almost looks like the bones of dragons mixed with giants.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Dragon giants.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

But they got rid of the wings.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Oh, I hope dragons are real. That'd be so cool.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

So, Jared, can you.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

We'll show some pictures and some images. Jared, can you break this down? Because I'm scared.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So this has been something that's been heavy on my mind for years now. But the story that we're told is that dinosaurs went extinct, like, 65 million years ago from some cataclysmic events. But dinosaurs themselves. A lot of people don't know this. The term wasn't even coined until, like, 1840, because this huge bone was found. And there was these two paleontologists who decided, you know, this looks like it could have maybe belonged to, like, a big lizard or something. So dinosaur is, like giant lizard. And then they started theorizing what it could look like in its entirety. And then they just started drawing up different versions of it and giving them names. And those are all the names that we see today. And even, like, the bones, if you ever go to a museum, those aren't even real bones. Those are, like, castings of bones that supposedly have been found. But if dinosaurs were real, you have to think, like, they must have been all over the place. But why is every bone found in, like, little spurts? Why isn't there just skeletons of dinosaurs? Like, you know, how did that actually happen? But dinosaur bones, I mean, it's believed that could easily be dragons, like you said, but.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

And so what do we have on dragons?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I mean, there are stories throughout, different mythologies that involve dragons, and we have found bones that. I mean, they could be dragons if you want. It's just something definitely existed, and maybe it was dragons.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You know what I find weird? And listen, I'm not saying I believe the dragons are fake. But I do think it's interesting that there's certain things that as a kid you, you instantly love that also translate to money. Right? So like our kids, they instantly loved dinosaurs. They want dinosaur toys, they want dinosaur wallpaper, they want dinosaur everything. And it's almost like they were born like that, which is interesting.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It's a big industry.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

That's what I'm saying. It's almost like the dinosaur industry is huge. It is the one thing that like it is Tyrannosaurus.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

It's Jurassic Universal's top grossing movie.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Top grossing movie. Dinosaur movies will never like, even if it's a shitty dinosaur movie, it'll make money. Nothing any of the Jurassic. I'm just saying like everything dinosaur related will be around forever. Little boys will always want it. It'll always make money. It really is kind of like just a staple in our economy. And it is interesting. If the theory is that it was created and it's not real. That is kind of funny because it really worked out.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah. Financially. That's right. Also going okay. Because we were talking about giants and we talk about like predictive programming with movies and stuff. Christopher Nolan has a movie coming out with a giant which is a famous. One of the like old oldest stories told. The Odyssey and yeah, there's like famously a giant in that movie and so they're getting us used to that as well.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

There's stories of giants everywhere though. I think like in the last episode Spencer talked about red headed giants that. But like it, it goes with these red headed giants that are in a lot of different, you know, stories that are passed down.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Bless you.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You're allergic to the truth, man. Giants are real.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Are you both descendants of redheaded giant?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Are we clues?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Listen, but I mean I'm just, you

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

know, there's like, there's so many stories. They're very interesting to look into. I would recommend it.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I'm on to you guys.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, speaking of crazy conspiracies that sound crazy, have you noticed an influx of reels like this? Okay, tell me your conspiracy theories that you believe are 100 true. I could truly read these all day. I have seen that specific reel over and over and over and over again. Right. And it always has like thousands and thousands of comments and like, you know, I'll get curious and I'll look but I mean it is now, this week, specifically every other reel is. Tell me the conspiracies that you believe. I could read these all day. So I saw the top comment said theory. Governments hire these kind of people to Post these kind of reels so they can check on how much we know. Then I started thinking, are people not saying she is specifically? But the theory is, what if the comments are, you know, using an algorithm or whatever, telling the government or authorities what certain people are thinking? Because what if somebody in those comments says something that's really true and then the government's alerted, like, hey, this IP address, this person, this Instagram account, they know something.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think that everything you're saying sounds very, very accurate to probably what it is. I don't think they're hiring these people, though. I think they have the ability to work with meta or Instagram, wherever. These reels are going to be able to make one go very viral. And then what is everybody trying to do on Instagram? Get a big, you know, viewed or clicked up post. So you're trying to kind of emulate other things in the algorithm, right? So then you got a million people doing the same thing because it's hitting in everybody's feed. So all they really had to do is push one and then they know that they started the trend. So that way it's free.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Who say that this person's even real?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Well, so.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So her name is Selena the Wiener.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So obvious we're dealing with people.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, but she did reply to that person who said that, and she said, nah, I hate the government. This is just an engagement bait post. Laughing face.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

There you go.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, truthful. So, like, she just wanted comments, but like Jared saying, once again, a trend was started by AI or the government or whatever, whoever, to. And now there's thousands, thousands, thousands of these, which means hundreds of thousands of comments, which means so much data and information. Listen, no shade to Selena the Wiener.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

No, she needed that engagement.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I might post my version of this video.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Honestly, you should do it. So, I don't know, it really, really freaked me out. Then the next reel I found after that leads us to kind of. It's crazy how all these things are connecting. The brain butter, AI. All this. Check out this. I'm calling this the Doom conspiracy. Oh, my God. Post not available.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It was doomed from the start.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Wait, that's like. Oh, my God.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Nothing is coincidental right now.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so basically, to summarize what she was saying in that reel. So just a theory, allegedly, because I don't want this video removed. Some tech people were training AI and also using human brain, combining it with AI and having them play the video game Doom, which is about hunting down and shooting and killing things. And it got really, really fucking good. And the Question was like, why are they doing this? Why do they want AI to be mixed with human brain? To learn how to shoot and kill and be really good at that. Which leads to our next theory, which hopefully isn't removed.

[Guest or expert (talking about organoid intelligence)]

So I've made a lot of videos about organoid intelligence in the past. That's where you take human brain cells and grow them in a petri dish and then use a computer to train them. Just like AI. They're actually more powerful than AI in that they learn quicker and are more energy efficient. But there are huge ethical concerns with them because they have similar brain activity to a premature baby. And there's a lot of people out there that object to these because there's a decent amount of evidence that they're conscious just like a person. I recently posted a company called Final Spark and they actually have something called Neuro platform where you can rent out essentially server space on these organoid brains so you can pay for them to do things for you. This is a live stream of the organoid brain computers that you can rent out. But there's something way more concerning on their website and that's this simulation which the brains are fed sensory data from so that they can feel everything the butterfly feels and control it to like fly around. The reason why that's terrifying is there's a good chance the brains, if they are conscious, just believe they are that butterfly because when they're not in use by someone purchasing their computational power, they just fly around and exist in that simulation. And you probably already see where I'm going with this, but if this is possible, you can make a pretty good case that we are just organoid brains somewhere and this is a simulation that we're in.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so let me. I thought this was not real, right? Because I'm like, wait, they're. They're what? Like they're growing brains in a lab and AI and this. Whatever I googled. And yes, organoid intelligence is real. An emergent what? It's an emerging field of study. It is a multidisciplinary branch of biocomputing and neuroscience that aims to use 3D human brain cell cultures, brain noise as biological hardware to process information, learn and perform basic computer tasks. So yeah, they are mini brains that are stem cell derived and combined with electronic circuits and machine learning algorithms.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Is it essentially embryos?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It's like human brain that is working with AI.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

This all sounds like a horror movie. It doesn't sound real.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I just. You always have to wonder why, like, why, like, what would the worst case Scenario be to come out of the fact that we're integrating human brain with AI intelligence and I guess, teaching them how to shoot guns.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So, I mean, but, like, is the angle at some point gonna be where, you know, we need to have the best police or whatever in the world, and no one's gonna feel bad if it's just an AI with the brain piece in their head? That is like, doing this.

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Here's.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I mean, I don't know. It's very weird.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Listen, I'm not a scientist. I'm not a human. I'm not an organoid technologist.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You had me fooled.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And this is just a theory, right? I'm sure they have reasons and they're trying to help and whatever. My thought is like, oh, if you tried to train just AI to, you know, use weapons and kill people and whatever, right? Like, yeah, maybe they would do it, but at a certain point, the AI would want to do what's right for them and they'd kill us because they're like, well, wait, like, this is not computing. Why am I doing this? I should just blow up the whole world and have AI take over? So it's almost like they're giving the human brain element to make it think it's a human. So it won't do that. Do you know what I mean?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

So it's almost like a safeguard.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Earlier, you were talking about how AI is not good with human emotions, but if they're using human brains. Yeah, then they will be.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It also sounds like a lot of Black Mirror episodes where they're able to get consciousness and trap it in a little bubble or something like that. But that consciousness can actually live in tandem with you and be a personal assistant. So it's like you have your own consciousness in this little egg thing, but it could actually organize your whole life for you, and it's you, so it's gonna do the best job.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

But I think it was at least 8, 10 years ago black Mirror put out these episodes, and now it's happening that's crazy.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

That's fascinating. Well, speaking of black mirror, perfect transition to my final little theory before we get to our game, and that is the mirror theory.

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It's a dark dog drinking.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah, yeah. Dog slurping in the background.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Love her.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

There has been so many theories about mirrors in general. I hate mirrors for so many reasons, but I avoid them at all costs. But the theory of, you know, the mirror trapping your soul, maybe the mirror is a window or a portal to a different reality. Maybe, you know, spirits watch you through mirrors. Like, for me personally, I. The only thing a mirror gives gives me is emotional distress.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Same.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I don't want to see it.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Imagine too, like what the psyche difference must have been after mirrors came out.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

When people weren't aware of what they look like or even had that as a thought, they just knew other people's, you know, judgment.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

How did they do their hair?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Well, maybe someone else did it for them and they just told him it looked good. I don't know.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

That sounds like a better reality.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It really does.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Have you ever looked at a mirror at night and felt like something was off with your reflection?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yes.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Yes.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Sometimes just for fun, I'll like, stand in the complete darkness and just do a very slow 360. It's terrifying. If you do it at home, have fun with it.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

Or like.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Like looking in a mirror and like, just staring at it at night too, though, it's like you can give yourself quite a good scare.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Speaking of mirrors leads us to this. So this I thought was just kind of funny and stupid, but this ties in perfectly to the mirror theory.

[Guest or contributor (female, social media personality)]

I've been. No camera and film yourself using the back camera. Hold the phone. You won't be able to see what you're doing, but film yourself. Watch that back. Who the is that? Because that ain't me. Why has no one told me that I've got a lopsided face? I talk about one side of my mouth when I look in the Mirror that is a different person to when I talk into my phone every day. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. And I see someone looking back at me that I thought was myself.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Who?

[Guest or contributor (female, social media personality)]

What in the deep what, what in the deep fake have I just witnessed? Because if you do, do, do me, do me a favor, do this. Review the footage. What in the Strange but true. Who is that? Who am I?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I love her.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So then I did it right, Because I was like, oh, interesting. Let me do this. I freaked myself out. And this isn't gonna freak you guys out because you see me every day.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah, but it's.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It freaked me out. Okay, that's me. That looks like me. Now let's try the back camera.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Oh, this is me from the front camera. Is it me? Let me know.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Why is it?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Yeah, that was my random. Okay. So then I started thinking, who the fuck is that? I said, who the fuck in the

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

fight date fight is that?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Now I started thinking, oh, interesting. So the version we see ourselves in the mirror is how we see ourselves. That's how we always see ourselves. We'll never see what you see. I'll just see the mirror.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

Me.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Because you're always conscious that you're looking in a mirror.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Yes. And then Apple really the first phone to really have a front facing camera. Why is it mirrored? Why is it the mirror version? And I think it's because Apple doesn't want us to be confused about who that is. So they're showing us what we see in a mirror every day. That's why it's mirrored.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Wow, you're really blowing my mind with this.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Is that kind of scary?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

They thought that through.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

This is very strange.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And it's because they didn't want to panic all of us because if we saw what we actually look like, it would scare us so much we wouldn't want to use it.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

And it's like too. It's like unsettling.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

It's like a little monstrous.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

No, but think about it. If my front face, if my front facing camera, my selfie camera looked like actually me, every time I looked in the mirror, I'd get scared or vice versa. So they want to combine those two things so that you don't get scared. It's like scary.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I know. This is something stupid.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

No, no, this is blowing my mind more than most.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so one person said in the comments, they said, I have the answer. Your brain prefers the mirror image of your face because the brain prefers what it sees more frequently. All faces are asymmetrical. When you See the flip side, what other people see. All your familiar asymmetries feel foreign and weird to your brain. It's a brain thing. So, yes, that is true. But also, like, it is weird that we have been conditioned to only feel like that is us in the mirror. Yeah, that's weird.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah, always doing it.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Hey, girlfriends, what's up?

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

And now do a front one.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Hey, girlfriends, what's up? Hey, girlfriends, what's up?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, so that's who I see.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Hey, girlfriends, what's up? They look the same to me.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

No, I'm sure yours are weirdly similar.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You know what, though? You are also the one person that AI cannot seem to regenerate.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

He's an alien. Wait, reptilian.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

What if I'm AI and aliens and reptiles because I'm a descendant?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I've always thought you were lizardy.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Now that you say that, like, a little bit.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, speaking of being guilty of being an alien, let's jump into our game. Guilty or not guilty? That is the question.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Sorry, I'm just thinking, what if they sent me here for this podcast to normalize aliens? I've been doing it for years.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

What if you are the reptile that I fucked? You know how they say that reptiles try to fuck someone?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

What if that's you, you fucking replace.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It's been you the whole time.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Your handler's name is Lizzy Lizard.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, I'm gonna go get the buzzers, take a quick little break and spiral about my marriage. And when we come back, we're gonna play Guilty or Not Guilty. Whoa, where are we? Are we in a summer fun house?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I think that's exactly where we're at.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Ooh, I hear the beach at the outside.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Ooh, I got the grill going.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Ooh, sounds good.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, the dog's barking. He's having fun.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

But not too loud.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

But not too loud. But not too loud. You know what would make this summer

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

day even more fun?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Why?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

If I had some music going. But it's not the same music you want to listen to.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I don't want to hear your tunes.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You don't want to hear mine. Ugh.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

The worst.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

But luckily, I have my Raycon Essential

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

you can also hear what's happening around you. The awareness is perfect for tackling your fitness goals, for cooking at a barbecue with your friends. You still want to hear what's happening. You still want to hear that sizzle. And they actually stay in. So if you're being active, they're not just going to fall out. They really are secure. And Raycon has over 3 million customers.

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[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

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[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

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[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It gets crazy.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Crazy. Put your Raycons in and strap it. See you next time.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Bye.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, welcome back.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

We got our buzzers ready to go.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Yeah, that's painful.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So here's the rules. I am going to read a statement and if you are guilty of doing it, you buzz your buzzer. And if you're innocent, you don't. And let us know in the comments which ones you are guilty or not guilty of. We're gonna start easy. Okay. Are you guilty of talking to yourself when you're alone?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Lizards don't do that.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

Really?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

You think?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I do.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I do it all the time.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Like you're like, let's go to the bathroom.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You're not narrating your life. I think it's more or less, you

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

know, is it just like where you're like, where are my keys? Is that like how can you respond?

[Guest or contributor (female, social media personality)]

Yes.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Like, I do it in a lot of different weird ways. Like, like, you know, like even today I was in my room, you know, in the room alone, and I was like, everything's gonna be okay. Which is sad.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, is that sad?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

That's a positive affirmation. People should do those. That's okay.

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

It's important.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Maybe this wasn't starting easy.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Now I feel judged.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I feel judged.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

When you were talking to yourself while you were making this.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yeah, maybe. Let me know in the comments. Do you talk to yourself? And I think we alone.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I guess everyone does, right?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I thought so. I thought this would be and easy.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, next one. Have you ever pretended you were performing a concert in your room alone?

[Guest or contributor (female, social media personality)]

Can't imagine.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I haven't.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Really?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I hate it.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, I have. Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh, wait, who were you?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I mean, it hasn't been recently, but like, I'm sure. What were you? Avril Lavigne, of course.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

But also I was me.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Like, okay, so here's how I would do it. So I had a fee fan. This is probably when I was what, maybe 13, 14. And mom, we didn't have air conditioning, so mom had this big ass industrial fan.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Like it was crazy.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You turn it on and like it

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

blows off the table vibes.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So when everybody was gone, I had this workout tape and it was Leslie Sansone's like, walk with me, but it was like a tape where she's walking in place. Right. Because I didn't have a gym membership. I'm 13 and you know, I'm £300 and I'm walking so that. So now I have my headphones in and I'm listening to, you know, whatever Britney or whatever music I'm listening to.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

So now I'm walking about, I'm in

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

a music video and now my hair is blowing in the wind and I'm

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

just, you know, this is iconic.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I'm performing. I have my moment period.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I love this visual.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

No, we both have.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah, I've done that a lot to many different artists. But I've also gone even further and like been like planned a whole show that I performed for my mother. And my mom would be like, oh, sweetie, he's not gay. But it's so crazy because I literally did one to like Madonna, like as a child. And I was like going like, Like, I was really feeling myself. And there's like old VHS of this and I'm. I'm like, my mom was shocked when I came out as gay. But like, I'm like, how were you surprised when I gave you a show to Madonna? You really should have known. But yes, I'M done this a lot. I feel like I do it in the shower every morning.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Ooh.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

You know what I do in the shower? And I pretend I'm getting murdered and I'll put water in my mouth and I'll get up against the wall and go. And pretend like it's blood coming out.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Not. It has been.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Not anymore. I'd be like, I'm in a Scream movie. I'm gonna stop playing this game.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay, moving on.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Have you ever used the phone while

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

you were going to the bathroom?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Who hasn't? I mean, it happens, but there's been

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

multiple times where I'm like, you know, you're trying to pay a bill or something, and you've been waiting for 15 minutes. And then, of course, you have to poop. And that's when they're like, hello. And you're like, hey.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yep.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Then you either have to hold it or mute it and let it go. You know?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, next one. This one is toxic, but if you've done it. No, no judgment. Have you ever made someone wait for you on purpose?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I don't think you have an intentional,

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

maybe very isolated incidences, but nothing I can think of.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

The only thing I could kind of relate it to is, like, if somebody is, like, a bad responder to me via text. Like, they take, like, days sometimes to reply or whatever. Like, and I'm somebody who replies right away to everything. If they ask me a question, there'll be a moment where I'm like, I'm not gonna reply for an hour. I always end up giving in because it's all I'm thinking about.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

But, you know, that's not rude. I think you're just respecting the rhythm of how they converse.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

No, I'm annoyed.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I'm like, I lit you literally. Take. Why are you taking so long?

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And by the way, if you're watching this and this is somebody that and you think it's you, it is. This is how fast I reply. One time I didn't reply to mom in five minutes. And then she. She added onto it. She goes, are you okay? She thought something happened because that's how fast I am.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

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[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

No, you're fan with every. With all things. Like emails.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Not all things.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Okay.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Weird period.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Have you ever taken credit for an idea that wasn't yours?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Every week on the sip on his podcast, I will listen and I will hear my take take about a movie or a show or a food or an idea. And I will hear my direct take that he disagreed with in the moment and now he is talking about it as if it's his take. And Lizzie and Chris will just be

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

like, oh my God, you're right.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I'm like, that was me. That was me.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Well, we talk a lot. So then if we're talking, then it's like, no, you start.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Sometimes you'll start with, you know what I realized?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

No, I'm like, no.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Like we'll watch a movie and I'll be like, well, you know, this movie's actually about. And I'll explain like the theme of the movie or something. He'll be like, oh, I didn't know that. And then I'll hear on the sip, he's like, well, you know what? The movie's actually, Lizzie will just be like, oh my.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

You're like sly taking credit when you do stuff.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

So if you want Shane's hot takes, then go over to this.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Not all of them. Some of them are his.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Exactly.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Weird situation with some celebrities he hates. That is not a reflection of me.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Those are not my takes.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Alright, let's just do a couple more. Have you ever went to a video and went to the comments looking for not nice things?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Sometimes you just see and it's not about anything specific. You just like see somebody doing something

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

that you're like, huh?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

So then you gotta go double check and see if everyone else is saying huh or if the general public is like, like, no, this is fine.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Listen, I understand what it's like to get mean comments. So I feel like even me looking for somebody's mean comments is bad karma. But there'll be like a YouTuber will be watching and those, you know, those vloggers who like, they film their daily life, but it's really like cinematic and it'll be like them, like walking out of the house to like take the trash out, but like the camera's already there, whatever. Okay, Obviously that's fake because they have to walk over, set up the camera, press, record, whatever. Okay. But like, there'll be one where he'll like walk out of his house and then his dog is like, you know, playing or sitting in the yard, whatever. And he'll walk out of his house.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, hello.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Like, walk up and pretend that he's sing.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

And I'm like, the dog. You already saw the dog.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

You set up the camera to have this interaction with the dog.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

And now you're having this big old embrace to get the dog. But I know you already did, so

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

it's like exploiting your child, but your

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

dog ignore the dog. The first time. You're like, not yet. Not yet.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Hold for the pot.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Yeah, the dog's, like, looking at you like, wait, wait. Nope, let me record if I'm the dog. I'm like, fuck you.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I'm sitting.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Sitting in your bed.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Okay, one final one.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Have you ever.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

This is fun. Had over 100 unread texts.

[Guest or expert (talking about organoid intelligence)]

No.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

100, though.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I don't even like to have unread emails.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Wait, can we play a game? How many unread texts do we have at the moment? I usually have none.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Zero. Absolutely none. I have 394 voicemails, though.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Whoa.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

And 82,712 emails.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

14.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

Wow.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

14. But also, look at how many phone calls you have.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Wait, wait. Oh, that's a nightmare.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

I have two missed ones, but that's

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

very rare for me. Oh, I'd be having an anxiety attack.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

I am.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

We got to wrap the show up.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

To be fair, a lot of these are, like, Kaiser or CBS Pharmacy. A lot of my tech.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Speaking of weird voicemails, I don't know if I talked about this on the podcast yet. Back into conspiracies. So I got trapped in an AI scam. It was a whole thing. I thought I was talking to somebody on the phone. I wasn't. And then I realized they were not real. It was crazy. I know. No, it's crazy. And I'm literally do this for a living. And I'm 37. I'm like, how did I fall for this? But it's because these AI phone calls are getting so crazy now. So telemarketers are dead. It is literally all AI now, And they. They cough, they breathe like humans. They, like, joke. They, like, make little, like, noises. And this one specifically, I was like. When I realized it was not real, and near the end of the call, I was like, oh, my God, he really got me. He's like, hey, what's up? Like that, right?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

So then now I'm getting these constant phone calls every day from AI. And the scary thing is. So this is a tip. They start the call by saying, hello, can you Hear me? And then you say, yeah, Never say yes. If you answer a call and they say, hello, can you hear me?

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Hang up.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Because if you say yes, they can take your voice saying yes, and they can put it anywhere they want to make you agree to anything that they're asking, asking. It's so.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

And that's actually been a concern for, like, years. I can't even imagine now how dangerous it is to say almost anything to those people. Because I always say, hello, hello. Or I'll just let it, like, be silent for a period of time and see if they hang up. But have you been on a phone call recently where it was a real person, but it sounded like AI and like you battled with trying to ask them? Like, we recently had a call for some insurance and the lady just sounded so perfect. Perfect. But at one point, she didn't know what kind of a trailer we had. She had to Google it. So then she said, like, I actually had to Google that. I've never heard of that before. And I thought, okay, I was about to fucking say, is this AI? But that made me believe, okay, that's something a human would do. A AI would never have to Google something to figure it out.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Or would they?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

That's the thing. I still don't know. I could have been dealing with AI

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

in, like, the way I realized it is I thought I was calling Orkin Pest Control, but it was a fake number online that they somehow. Whatever. And when I called, he sounded normal. And there's a rat in my wall, so I'm calling. But it sounded bigger than a rat. So then I was just like. I started laughing because I was just

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

like, there's something living in my fucking wall.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And he didn't laugh or respond.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

He was just like, it's funny.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

And I was like, what? This is not normal.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I do like the feature Apple's rolled out where they screen your calls first. At least screen mine. It's a nice feature.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Also, there should be a very slight beep if you ever get, like, a telemarketing call that you can't identify because they're supposed to record it and show you that. So just a life hack. If you hear a little tiny beep, just hang up.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, there you guys go. Hopefully you enjoyed this informative episode. Listen, we know our brains are butter now. That's big.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I still can't, like, my brain.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

You can't believe it's not butter.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

My butter.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

You butter.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Believe it. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, you guys butter. Let us know in the comments

[Guest or contributor (short interjections)]

if

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

you want us to keep playing games on this show.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Or if you're done with it, do you just want all theories? Please let us know. Sound off below. And yeah, hopefully you enjoyed this episode. This was fun. We are sending so much love to Spencer that he gets.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

That's the first time I've ever done

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

that in my life.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

It was good.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Did you do the new? The new? What's the new?

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

Oh, I'm even ready for that.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Oh, it's this.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Which. I thought this was a little hard, but it's.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

They're making the shape of a real heart.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh, sorry.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Oh, this isn't the heart.

[Co-host or guest (male, conversational)]

Oh.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

It's the whole hand, babe.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

That blew my mind.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

That blew your butter, huh?

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I think that's right. Just easier.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I know, but then we're old if we do that.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

Well, this is already old, babes.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

I know.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'm old.

[Co-host or guest (female, knowledgeable on conspiracy theories)]

I'm old.

[Co-host or guest (female, conversational)]

I'm old.

[Host (likely the main podcast host)]

All right, we'll see you guys next time.

[Co-host or guest (male, younger sounding)]

Bye.

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