The SkyePod - Airmail

Summary

The SkyePod - Airmail Episode Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: The SkyePod
• Host: Skye Jethani
• Episode: Airmail
• Release Date: June 6, 2025
• Description: Get a peek inside Skye's mind. Full episodes can be found at holypost.com/skyepod

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Introduction

In the "Airmail" episode of The SkyePod, host Skye Jethani teams up with producer Mike Strehlow to address listener-submitted questions. This interactive session delves into Skye's ongoing book project, the impact of past and present Christian teachings, the phenomenon of deconstruction in faith, and the intriguing role of artificial intelligence in religious practices.

Skye's New Book: "Letters to a New Generation of American Christians"

Serial Release and Structure

Skye introduces his upcoming book, "Letters to a New Generation of American Christians," which is being released serially—one chapter per month. The book is structured as a series of letters to his adult children, exploring what it means to live faithfully for Jesus in today's complex and often perplexing Christian landscape.

“The conceit of the book is what do I think it really requires of us to live faithfully for Jesus in this crazy post-Christian weird moment.” [01:31]

Chapter Highlights

• Chapter One: Empathy

  The first chapter, released on Holy Post Plus, emphasizes the critical role of empathy in Christian life.

• Chapter Two: Courage

  Slated for release in July, Skye hints at a more personal exploration of courage in the Christian journey.

  “Chapter two is going to get a whole lot more personal.” [02:36]

Skye explains his motivation for this approach, aiming to counteract the prevalent sentimentality in evangelical circles by grounding his reflections in steadfast Christian doctrines.

“We have replaced beliefs and doctrines and catechism and the historic doctrines of Christianity with sentimentality.” [05:04]

Listener Questions and Discussions

1. The Future of Christian Teachings and Deconstruction

Question by Callie: “Lots of people are looking back at teachings and media that were popular in the past... what do you see in popular media and or teaching now that you think people learning from them now will be recovering from in the future?” [07:18]

Skye's Response

Skye examines the cyclical nature of Christian teachings and their long-term impacts. He acknowledges that while some past teachings like Left Behind theology and purity culture had their roots in authentic Christian doctrines, their misapplications led to significant issues.

“The problem with purity culture, I think, was an error of isolation. It elevated sexual purity as an end-all be-all of the Christian life and isolated it from all the other ethical teachings of scripture and a more holistic view of our faith.” [09:00]

He warns against the current trends such as Christian nationalism and sensationalism, which represent overcorrections to past mistakes and could lead to future deconstructions.

“Most of the errors I see really taking root popularly in the church in America today have nothing to do with Christian doctrine or the Bible at all.” [10:00]

2. Overemphasis on Deconstruction in Faith

Mike's Commentary: “I worry we're quickly... getting rid of all boundaries or structure to Christianity and to faith.” [17:57]

Skye's Agreement and Insight

Skye concurs with Mike's concerns, attributing the overemphasis on deconstruction to the initial overreliance on sentimentality. He stresses the necessity of a faith built on historic doctrines rather than fluctuating emotional experiences.

“The idea that Christianity is just a buffet and you pick the parts that you like and you reject the parts you don't, that's not how it works.” [19:45]

Skye advocates for a balanced approach, urging Christians to root their faith in immutable doctrines to avoid the pitfalls of both extremes.

“We need clarity about the historic doctrines of our faith. Like what are the immovable things that are true about our faith.” [19:50]

3. Artificial Intelligence and Necromancy

Question by David: “Is using AI a form of necromancy? Is it just a massive Ouija board?” [20:26]

Skye's Response

Skye addresses fears surrounding artificial intelligence by drawing parallels with traditional knowledge acquisition methods.

“Books. So our species, one of the things that makes us unique is that we pass knowledge down.” [22:14]

He argues that using AI, like ChatGPT, is similar to reading books authored by deceased individuals. It serves as an advanced repository of human knowledge rather than a form of spiritual communion.

“I do not believe using ChatGPT is sinful. Or a Ouija board, or necromancy, or consulting the dead.” [21:32]

Skye reassures listeners that AI is merely a tool for accessing and organizing information, likening it to a digital librarian rather than a conduit to the supernatural.

“It feels like human interaction. It feels personal. And that's what kind of creeps some of us out.” [23:31]

Conclusion

In this engaging airmail episode, Skye Jethani and Mike Strehlow thoughtfully navigate complex questions from their audience, offering deep insights into the state of modern Christianity. From exploring the foundational aspects of Skye's new book to dissecting the challenges of maintaining doctrinal integrity in an age of rapid cultural shifts and technological advancements, the episode provides valuable perspectives for both long-time believers and those navigating their faith journey.

Listeners are encouraged to subscribe to Holy Post Plus for continued access to live streams, exclusive content, and ongoing discussions that aim to foster a robust and nuanced understanding of Christian faith in contemporary society.

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Notable Quotes:

• “We have replaced beliefs and doctrines and catechism and the historic doctrines of Christianity with sentimentality.” – Skye Jethani [05:04]

• “The idea that Christianity is just a buffet and you pick the parts that you like and you reject the parts you don't, that's not how it works.” – Skye Jethani [19:45]

• “I do not believe using ChatGPT is sinful. Or a Ouija board, or necromancy, or consulting the dead.” – Skye Jethani [21:32]

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This summary captures the essence of the "Airmail" episode, highlighting key discussions and insights while attributing notable quotes with timestamps for reference. It provides a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the episode, ensuring they gain valuable takeaways from the conversation.

Transcript

[Sky Jutani]

I read a book about the book. Is that. How is that weird? Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Sky Pod. I am Sky Jutani. This show is brought to you by Holy Post Media. Today we are doing an airmail episode, which is our name for listener questions. Joining me is our producer, Mike Strehlow.

[Mike Strehlow]

Hey, everyone.

[Sky Jutani]

Mike is here to ask the questions that you guys have sent in and dialogue with me a bit about them. We haven't done one of these in a couple months.

[Mike Strehlow]

It's been a couple months.

[Sky Jutani]

But we did a Q and A on the Polypost recently.

[Mike Strehlow]

We did. And we did one even on Esau. So we've done. The people have gotten their chance to ask their questions, but they haven't had their chance to ask you specifically questions.

[Sky Jutani]

Or only me without any, without any eye rolls and size from Caitlin correcting me.

[Mike Strehlow]

And I will do my best to play the Caitlyn role of holding you accountable and not just letting you, you know, get out of your soapbox for a while. Okay, so here we go. The very first question, kind of a softball one. But Tom wants to know what's the next chapter of your book going to be about? So good chance to remind people. The first chapter of your new book, the World Born in youn, was released this last Monday on Holy Post plus, only for Holy Post plus subscribers at the $10 level. And it was on empathy.

[Sky Jutani]

Right.

[Mike Strehlow]

So what's the plan, Scott?

[Sky Jutani]

Okay, so again, for those who aren't familiar with this project, I am writing this book serially. Means I'm releasing one chapter a month. The chapters are written as letters to my adult kids. And it's the subtitle of the book is Letters to a New Generation of American Christians. So the conceit of the book is what do I think it really requires of us to live faithfully for Jesus in this crazy post Christian weird moment? So the first chapter highlights the value of empathy. Chapter two, and this may change. I'm not promising anything because I am in the process of writing it, but chapter two will be courage.

[Mike Strehlow]

Okay? So I mean, this book, I'm fascinated, fascinated to see how this all goes because I loved the first chapter and especially how personal you got. I mean, the story about your brother and why you chose to keep your name, sky, when you went off to college. I thought that was great. It was very meaningful. So we're seeing kind of a different side of you, sky, that you're usually not one to share a lot of personal stories.

[Sky Jutani]

No. And chapter two is going to get a whole lot more Personal.

[Mike Strehlow]

You want to tease anything.

[Sky Jutani]

I really don't.

[Mike Strehlow]

Okay. So on courage and we can expect this the first Monday in July is when it's.

[Sky Jutani]

Assuming I get it done. Yes. Oh, sky deadlines are a writer's best friend.

[Mike Strehlow]

Sure. I'm kind of like your. Your editor here, just in the sense of making you hit your deadline.

[Sky Jutani]

Yes, I do have to hit my deadlines. So the plan is one chapter a month for the remainder of the year. We're also going to be doing a live stream at some point this month on chapter one.

[Mike Strehlow]

Yes.

[Sky Jutani]

And then we'll do that every month. Yeah. Release other things as well. I've done some preaching on some of the topics related to these chapters, so those will be those sermons we're going to post and some other stuff.

[Mike Strehlow]

One more question before we move on. Is there anything you're nervous about writing the book this way as a serial, Getting feedback as you're writing it? Anything that just makes you a little uneasy?

[Sky Jutani]

No. I mean, I shared on a prior Skypod episode that I've been thinking about this book for six years. So not. There are some chapters that I have more I figured out more than others. That makes me nervous. I'm a fairly private person. I don't share this personal stuff that much. And so some of it is. It's a little awkward putting some of these things out there. That makes me a little nervous. But I'm not disclosing deep dark secrets that no one knows or something like that. It's just the people closest to me know all the stuff I'm going to be sharing. It's. I don't typically open this stuff up more broadly. And, And I've said this many, many, many times on Holy Post and other venues like I. I think within American evangelicalism, we have way over indexed on sentimentality. And I'm not saying sentimentality has no place in life. Of course it does. But one thing that I think is just destroy the evangelical church in America is we have replaced beliefs and doctrines and catechism and the historic doctrines of Christianity with sentimentality. And I didn't. One of the reasons I've not written more personally is because I wanted to be part of the antidote to that sentimentality. Like there are so many books out there of so many people pouring out their hearts and a lot of that's fine and good, but it's not a substitute for having a firm foundation in Jesus and our faith. Right. So I've. For the last five years I've been writing books that have been much more about. You need to understand the Bible and our faith. I haven't been personal. So this is like it's off script for me to do it this way. And obviously I'm not against it. I wouldn't be doing it if I were against it. I just feel like we over index on it.

[Mike Strehlow]

So I love the line. It should be a T shirt. Sky Jatani, the antidote to sentimentality.

[Sky Jutani]

Sentimentality. Well, that's part of the reason they also did with God Daily because was it 2014? I launched that project. I couldn't find a contemporary devotional that wasn't just dripping with sentimentality and it made me gag and I was like, all right, I'm going to write my own devotional. That's smart.

[Mike Strehlow]

That won't make you have any feelings whatsoever.

[Caitlin]

There are some feelings.

[Mike Strehlow]

Academic.

[Sky Jutani]

No, it's not academic. It's not even that I'm anti feelings. It's like you probably experienced this when you've preached at your church. You'll work hard on a sermon, you'll get up there, you'll preach faithfully from the text and no one says anything to you other than you shared that cute story about the squirrel and your kid at the park. Right. That's all they remember. Right. And it's just the way we're wired to tap into that stuff and there's a place for it. But we have again just so over indexed on that and under index on the things that are going to keep us fundamentally rooted to our faith in difficult times. And now that we have those difficult times, you can see how many people are falling away from their faith. And that's, that's what worries me.

[Mike Strehlow]

Okay, I like it. Well, be on the lookout everyone for that live stream announcement. We'll. We'll get that scheduled here in the next couple days and, and yeah, start let letting us know even already what questions you have for sky about the first chapter of his book Moving on. Callie wants to know. This is such a good question, Kali. Lots of people are looking back at teachings and media that were popular in the past, in the past decades of evangelical culture, such as left behind in the purity culture and seeing the mistakes. What do you see in popular media and or teaching now that you think people learning from them now will be recovering from in the future?

[Sky Jutani]

This is actually a really good question and a spark question because it's rooted in history. Like okay, we've been through this pattern of very popular teachings doing damage and people deconstructing from them or whatever. There's no reason to think that's ended. Right. So what are the popular teachings now that are problematic that people are gonna be deconstructing in the future? So there's a lot of different ways to think about this. And I mean, we critique popular ideas all the time on the holy post Christian nationalism and all the nonsense going on in the culture. But I think what's is Callie's question. She identifies two things from the past Left behind, which is shorthand for dispensational eschatology, the rapture, all that kind of stuff, and purity culture. And the interesting thing about those two examples, and I think she's correct, but I think the two examples is they're actually both still rooted in Christian doctrine and truth. Like, yeah, purity culture is rooted in the Christian teaching about marriage and sexuality, and left behind stuff is rooted in the Christian doctrine of the return of Jesus. Those are true things. Now, I think those manifestations of them left behind in purity culture are full of errors. The error with purity culture, I think, was an error of isolation. It elevated sexual purity as an end all be all of the Christian life and isolated it from all the other ethical teachings of scripture and a more holistic view of our faith. And then the problem with the left behind stuff is it's just misinterpretation of the Bible and what the end is really going to look like. But they're still rooted in true Christian doctrines. They're just isolated or misinterpreted. The problem in answering this question is I think most of the errors that we're seeing in the church today have no connection to scripture at all. It's not like people are taking a core doctrine of the faith, like, I don't know, the deity of Jesus or the filling of the Holy Spirit or something like that, and just getting it right, wrong, or over indexing on it the way that purity culture did with sexual purity or something like. Most of the errors I see really taking root popularly in the church in America today have nothing to do with Christian doctrine or the Bible at all. They're not just mistakes. They're like fundamental invasions of foreign ideas into our faith, like Christian nationalism, if that makes sense. So that brings me back to her question. What do I think are perhaps Christian teachings that are problematic, that still have some rootedness in whatever Christian doctrine, faith, whatever. That brings me to. I think the two things that come to mind most are actually the two that she already mentioned, but it's our overcorrection on them. Okay, okay. So a lot of people and A lot of books and a lot of talks have been given about the baggage and damage caused by purity culture. I agree. I think one of the things that we're getting wrong now is we're overcorrecting that mistake of purity culture and moving either to complete silence about scripture and Christian doctrine on sexuality and marriage or complete rejection of the Christian teaching on sexuality and marriage because of the damage that purity culture did. We're like, okay, that's all terrible. Esau just did a show. You were on it. He just did a show about a pastor teaching that fornication, which is the fancy way of saying sex outside of marriage is not sinful.

[Mike Strehlow]

Right.

[Sky Jutani]

And it's like, okay, that's how far we have gone from purity culture. Now that we're saying a basic teaching of Christian ethics that predates Jesus, like, it goes back to the Hebrew Bible, we're now throwing it out because of the damage that purity culture did. And I honestly think our silence or complete rejection of Christian doctrine and teaching on sexuality and marriage, the pendulum has swung too far.

[Mike Strehlow]

Yeah.

[Sky Jutani]

And that we are going to be correcting at some point in the future. And the damage, that's one of them.

[Mike Strehlow]

Yeah. Before you move on, I'm going to ask you then the same question I asked you saw on his podcast that came out yesterday. Where's the middle ground? So if, like, I'm someone who's like, all right, I grew up in purity culture. I recognize the flaws, the errors, shortcomings of that. But, yeah. I'm not willing to just say it's just all about consent. Right. Do what feels right, and as long as you're consenting, it's all good. What. What's the answer?

[Sky Jutani]

I. I think going back to what my problem was with purity culture to begin with is it was. It's. It was elevated and isolated. Right. Sexual sin was elevated as the end all, be all of the Christian life.

[Mike Strehlow]

Yeah.

[Sky Jutani]

Or sexual purity, however you want to frame it. And so that's the elevation. And then it was isolated from everything else. If you're going to talk about the Christian ethic of self control, sexual control, sexual purity, ethic of marriage, all these things, it also has to be in conjunction with the Christian doctrine of grace and the Christian doctrine of everything else. The fact that so many young people in this country in the evangelical church grew up thinking that all God cares about is my sexual purity is part of the reason you get Christian nationalism today. Because they weren't taught that what God cares about is loving your neighbor or racial justice or Economic equity or anything like. They didn't think God cared about any of that stuff because all they were taught was sexual purity. So I don't think the answer is let's abandon Christian doctrine on marriage and sexuality. I think the answer is let's put it into a larger ecosystem of Christian ethics. Yeah, that's how you mitigate against the harms of purity culture. So that's the first one. I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way and it's doing its own damage there, and we won't see the effects of that. And what we're beginning to like, we had Christina Emba on our show. She writes for the Washington Post, and she's done a whole book on the. What did she call? Hookup culture?

[Mike Strehlow]

Hookup culture and consent, consent alone and.

[Sky Jutani]

Like, and the brokenness that that's leaving even among secular people who are going, this is not working. This is not helpful. So if one option is purity culture and the other option is consent alone culture, they both fail. And they fail for different reasons, but they both fail. So I think that consent, sexual consent alone culture, that is either permissible in a lot of churches now because they don't talk about sexual ethics, or it's outright advocated for, I think is something that we're going to be correcting in the future. That's 1, 2. The other one is the overcorrection to left behind. So I've done videos, you guys may have seen them, about how I think the left behind theology is complete bogus nonsense. But part of the left behind theology was this rapture idea that this world's going to burn. It doesn't matter. We're just thinking about heaven. We're going to get out of here. Part of the correction to that, over correction to that has been the new Apostolic Reformation kind of stuff, the Seven Mountain Dominionism stuff that, oh, wait a minute, we should care about this world. In fact, we should care about it so much that we should be in charge of it. Like, Christians should run the whole show. And that fuels a lot of Christian nationalism. So I think part of that's the pendulum swinging from left behind over to Christian nationalism. The other way I think the pendulum has swung is left behind. And the theological underpinnings of left behind, which is dispensationalism, was also primarily cessationist.

[Mike Strehlow]

Right.

[Sky Jutani]

It basically said the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer active in the world. And the reaction against that has been, I've dubbed it in one of my books, sensationalism, which is the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit should not only currently still happen, which I believe they do, but that they should be normat like you should be seeing these miraculous sensational movements of spiritual power all the time in your life, in your community, all over the place. And I have seen people get wrapped up in that movement and there are various voices and ministries behind that movement. And I think it's doing a lot of damage. So that pendulum swinging really far over and it's very closely linked to a lot of prosperity gospel stuff and things like that. I think that's doing a lot. And I get why people want it. They want the weirdness of Christianity back, they want the spiritual power back. They want a sense of awe and wonder. And they're looking for it from these miraculous movements of the Spirit. And again, I'm not a cessationist. I believe the Spirit does miraculous, powerful, amazing things. I just don't think they are as normative and commonplace as some of these people claim them to be. Yeah, and I think that's doing damage. So in both of these, it's the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

[Mike Strehlow]

When I was thinking about this question and my answer to it, similar of the pendulum overcorrecting because I want to be careful here, but really my answer to this would be the overemphasis on deconstruction. I think there are, as you just listed, many good reasons why so many Christians today are deconstructing. I think a lot of that is good, but I worry we're quickly, if we're not already there, getting to the point where your faith Christianity becomes kind of a pick and choose what feels right and best. And we over index on throwing out the harmful stuff that made you feel bad and truly was harmful. I don't want to undersell that. It really was. But I worry we're getting to the point where we're getting rid of all boundaries or structure to Christianity and to faith. And it's really just like, well, I don't like this aspect and I don't have a good reason to reject it other than I just don't like it very much. And it's like, no, like, I mean, you read the scripture and Jesus said very deeply unpopular things that drove the crowds away, that we are called to be uncomfortable in life, that even, like there is structure in place for church discipline, that not all church discipline is inherently wrong. And so I don't know, what do you think about that kind of this over this emphasis on deconstruction right now?

[Sky Jutani]

I Totally agree. And I think part of it, going back to the original question of what I was saying about sentimentality is the reason I think we deconstruct too far is because what was built in the first place was built on sentimentality. When you've been shaped by a form of Christianity or evangelicalism which was all feeling based and it was emotion based and it was self help based and it was self actualization based, and achieve your dreams and desires for you family, your community, when that's the construct of your Christianity and it doesn't work, or it's harmful or seen as abusive, or puts you at odds with your community or culture or whatever, then it makes sense. You throw it away. But what you end up building in its place is just another construct of sense mentality. Exactly. So the answer to all of this is we need clarity about the historic doctrines of our faith. Like what are the immovable things that are true about our faith? Now you may well have issues with those too, but at that point, then you need to admit I'm actually not a Christian anymore because I don't want these things to be true of my life. Okay, that's fine, that's legitimate, you can do that. But this idea that Christianity is just a buffet and you pick the parts that you like and you reject the parts you don't, that's not how it works. And so I think the answer to this, whether it's sexual ethics, purity culture, eschatology left behind all that. What is the historic teaching of the Church? It was not the rapture or left behind. And yes, the historic teaching of the church is marriages between man and woman. And there are boundaries on sexual expression. That is the historic teaching of the Church. But that teaching was never meant to be in isolation from all the other ethical teachings of the church. And certainly not to be the only thing by which people measured their faithfulness. That was the problem with purity culture. So I think the antidote to a lot of this is a rooted faith that is not built on sentimentality, but it's built on the historic doctrines of the faith. And even, yeah, there are variations there and disagreements and stuff, but that is so much more stable than just what am I feeling today or what is my culture feeling today? And that I think is why we get we go too far in our deconstruction.

[Mike Strehlow]

If only there was a up and coming Christian media company that could put together a catechism of these key doctrines of the faith.

[Sky Jutani]

Maybe someday.

[Mike Strehlow]

Maybe someday. Oh man, this one threw me for a loop a little Bit. David, I'm not going to lie. Is using AI okay? That's fine. I know AI. I've seen a lot of these questions. I haven't seen one like this. Is using AI a form of necromancy?

[Sky Jutani]

Necromancy? For those who don't know, necromancy is communion with the dead.

[Mike Strehlow]

Yes, thank you, Sky. So I'll go on. Large language models are essentially maps of human thought as encoded in human language across time and plotted using their tokenization system. They don't so much think think as echo the connections between concepts. Human thought already established. But then, if using ChatGPT is consulting the echoes of a long gone humanity for insight or power, isn't that consorting with ghosts? How is AI not just a massive Ouija board? Sky. Okay, when I use ChatGPT, am I committing a grave sin?

[Sky Jutani]

Yeah. Is this sorcery? Is it necromancy? I like the creativity of the question and the thought behind it. But no, I do not believe using ChatGPT is sinful. Or a Ouija board, or necromancy, or consulting the dead. Here's why he uses this phrase that ChatGPT is basically echoes of long gone humanity that we use for insight and power. You know what else is an echo of long gone humanity that we consult for insight and power?

[Mike Strehlow]

Tell me, Sky.

[Sky Jutani]

Books.

[Mike Strehlow]

Ooh. Because a lot of books are written by dead people.

[Sky Jutani]

Yeah, books. So our species, one of the things that makes us unique is that we pass knowledge down. Now, lots of species communicate knowledge. I mean, they've seen killer whales do this. Like, lots of species communicate knowledge, but I think humans are the only species that does that remotely. Now, maybe there's an exception for species that like, mark territory with scent, communicate to one another, like by dog peeing on a hydrant or something. But that's temporary, you know, it goes away or whatever. But like, we communicate knowledge through writing and art and other things, but we communicate it and we pass it down without having to have direct engagement with the source. So I can pick up a book from Plato, the Bible, for goodness sake. None of the people who wrote the Bible are alive. I'm not talking about the Holy Spirit, obviously. So this is what our species does. We record knowledge and we pass it down in various forms. Scrolls, tablets, eventually books, and then we retrieve that knowledge. And when I sit down and I read, gosh, Dallas Willard now, I mean, he's dead. If I read Dallas Willard's book and gain knowledge and insights from it, am I communing with this guy?

[Mike Strehlow]

It's over.

[Sky Jutani]

That's not necromancy. And we know it's not necromancy because the scripture that forbids necromancy and sorcery does not forbid reading the law of Moses. Right? So we know that that's not necromancy.

[Mike Strehlow]

But then why does. When I chat with ChatGPT, why does it feel different than reading a book?

[Sky Jutani]

It does feel different. Very different. So let's continue down the progress then. Okay, you have a book as a depository of knowledge from the past. Eventually, the human species accumulated so many books and so much knowledge from the past that we decided we need some way of organizing all this knowledge and accessing it. And we started to create libraries, most famously the library in Alexandria, Egypt. Ancient library, one of the wonders of the world. So we created libraries, and then we systematized the knowledge and go, oh, you're looking for knowledge about the sun, or you're looking for knowledge about crops, or you're looking for knowledge about the ocean. Okay, we can point you in the right direction. Eventually, we got so good at organizing that knowledge that we created libraries all over the world. And we didn't just go directly to the book. We went to the librarian who could help us or the Dewey Decimal System or whatever to figure out how to get that knowledge. Now you take another huge leap forward with the advent of the Internet, and suddenly all that accumulated human knowledge from 10,000 years of civilization gets digitized and it's put on the Internet. And now I have Google that can help me search and find in this giant library of human knowledge, information I'm looking for. Then you go to the next step, and it's AI and ChatGPT, and we go to them and say, hey, give me a definition of necromancy. And they scours the Internet. The difference is with ChatGPT is it. It's a. It's a facsimile of a more personal interaction. So, like, I used to go to the librarian and ask him or her, hey, I need a book on necromancy. Now I go to ChatGPT, and they can communicate with me, kind of like that librarian. And it feels like human interaction. It feels personal. And that's what kind of creeps some of us out. And that's why I can see David making the leap to, oh, this is. This is like talking to a ghost. It's a disembodied voice, personal voice, but it's not real. And it's giving me knowledge and information from the past. It has all those markings of it, but it's really just a better librarian. Yeah, a digital librarian is what it is.

[Mike Strehlow]

I mean, I feel like you've either eased David's concerns or you've convinced him that actually books and libraries are also forms of necromancy and he should just not learn anything ever again.

[Sky Jutani]

Now I think all this is different because we could do a whole other episode on AI. This is all different than what's known as general artificial intelligence.

[Caitlin]

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[Sky Jutani]

To hear this dumb announcement again, but.

[Caitlin]

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