The SkyePod - Drew's News

Summary

The SkyePod - Drew's News: In-Depth Analysis of Christian Nationalism and Modern Relationship Dynamics

Release Date: August 15, 2025
Host: Skye Jethani
Guest: Drew Dick

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Introduction

In this episode of The SkyePod, host Skye Jethani welcomes Drew Dick for the monthly segment titled Drew's News. The episode commences with exciting news: Drew Dick is officially joining the Holy Post Media team in an editorial capacity. Skye humorously notes, "We only want you in a certain capacity," to which Drew responds with his signature wit, establishing a congenial rapport between the hosts ([00:17]).

Drew Dick Joins Holy Post Media

Skye enthusiastically announces Drew's official role, highlighting his ongoing contributions to various podcasts and upcoming projects. Despite remaining based in Portland, Drew will significantly influence Holy Post Media's written content and other initiatives. Drew celebrates the occasion by showcasing his Holy Post Media-branded Yeti tumbler, adding a light-hearted touch to the announcement ([00:27] - [01:43]).

Holy Post Plus and Content Strategy

Skye delves into the workings of Holy Post Plus, the subscription-based model supporting Holy Post Media's diverse content offerings. He explains the innovative approach of releasing his new book serially, with interactive live streams accompanying each chapter. Addressing listener feedback, Skye discusses the strategic placement of exclusive content behind the paywall, inspired by Andrew Sullivan's Dishcast, to encourage subscriptions without traditional advertising ([01:46] - [05:09]).

Drew humorously introduces his new puppy, Moby Dick, a nod to his last name, reinforcing the show's personable and relatable atmosphere ([05:09] - [05:54]).

Main Segment: Christian Nationalism and Pastor Douglas Wilson

The primary focus of this episode centers on a controversial CNN segment featuring Pastor Douglas Wilson, labeled as a "Christian nationalist" with affiliations to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Drew and Skye dissect the implications of Wilson's beliefs and his growing influence within both religious and political spheres ([05:55] - [09:50]).

UnAmerican Views:

• Pastor Wilson's stance against democracy, advocating for a theocratic system where Christianity governs societal structures ([06:38] - [09:24]).

• His opposition to equal rights for women and the abolition of slavery, positing biblical justifications for these views ([06:38] - [09:24]).

  • Drew remarks, "He, strictly speaking, does not believe in democracy," highlighting the incompatibility of Wilson's beliefs with foundational American principles ([06:38]).
  • Skye emphasizes the contradiction of having officials who reject the Constitution, stating, "How can you say God gave us the Constitution and then put someone in charge... who doesn't believe in the Constitution? That's insane to me" ([22:49]).

Christian Perspective:

• Wilson's advocacy for Old Testament law in modern society contradicts the teachings and intentions of Jesus Christ, posing significant theological concerns ([10:08] - [11:39]).

  • Skye critiques Wilson's approach, noting, "It's a bad reading of Scripture... a misunderstanding of what Jesus came to create" ([11:19]).

Appeal and Media Savvy:

• The duo explores why Wilson's brand of Christian nationalism resonates today, attributing it to societal complexities and a desire for clear, authoritative guidance in a polarized culture ([12:07] - [19:12]).

  • Drew observes, "There's a loss of cultural power that some Christians feel... and it resonates with a lot of people" ([12:07]).
  • Skye connects Wilson's movement to post-millennialism, contrasting it with the traditionally dominant premillennialism in American evangelicalism, and discusses its fundamentalist appeal ([14:03] - [19:12]).

Institution Building and Longevity:

• Skye praises Wilson's strategic institution-building, which ensures the movement's persistence beyond his personal leadership, unlike movements centered around charismatic leaders like MAGA under Donald Trump ([20:11] - [21:26]).

  • Drew adds, "He's very media savvy... he understands the media landscape" ([20:56]).

Concerns and Accountability:

• The conversation shifts to the alarming endorsement of Wilson by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, questioning the Senate's role in approving such appointments and holding Congress accountable for oversight failures ([22:29] - [24:29]).

  • Skye passionately states, "Blame President Trump all you want... At the end of the day, it's Congress's responsibility to prevent these kinds of people from having Power" ([24:13]).

Shift to Gender Dynamics in Relationships

Transitioning from political-religious discourse, Drew introduces a New York Times article discussing the emotional labor burden on female partners due to shrinking male social circles. The article posits that men often confide solely in their romantic partners, who then shoulder the responsibility of emotional support ([25:25] - [26:09]).

Discussion Highlights:

• The pressure on women to act as unofficial therapists for their male partners.

  • Drew humorously critiques the article, stating, "I kind of think this is a load of bull" ([26:03]).

• Skye playfully responds, indicating acceptance of traditional relationship dynamics, yet the conversation is cut short as the transcript moves towards a promotional segment ([26:09] - [26:56]).

Conclusion

The episode provides a compelling examination of the intersection between religion, politics, and societal norms, anchored by the dynamic discussions between Skye Jethani and Drew Dick. The analysis of Pastor Douglas Wilson's Christian nationalism serves as a critical lens on contemporary issues affecting American values and governance.

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Notable Quotes:

• Drew Dick ([06:38]): "He, strictly speaking, does not believe in democracy."
• Skye Jethani ([22:49]): "How can you say God gave us the Constitution and then put someone in charge... who doesn't believe in the Constitution? That's insane to me."
• Skye Jethani ([19:12]): "It's a way not only to support the work we're doing and the content we're creating, but also resourcing yourself with all kinds of great stuff."

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Transcript

[Drew Dick]

I don't think I've ever done that, weirdo. No.

[Sky Jatani]

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Sky Pod, brought to you by Holy Post Media. I am Sky Jatani. Joining me this week for our monthly Drew's News episode is Drew Dick. Hey, Drew.

[Drew Dick]

Hey, Sky. Good to be back and.

[Sky Jatani]

Okay, I think we can officially announce this now. We're not going to announce all of it, but I am really excited to tell everybody that you are officially joining the Holy Post Media team.

[Drew Dick]

Yes. Yes. In a certain capacity.

[Sky Jatani]

Yes.

[Drew Dick]

But I'm so excited. Yes. Right.

[Sky Jatani]

We only want you in a certain capacity.

[Drew Dick]

You couldn't take all of me.

[Sky Jatani]

No. Who can?

[Drew Dick]

Who can?

[Sky Jatani]

Who possibly could?

[Drew Dick]

Not even my wife.

[Sky Jatani]

So you are going to be joining our editorial team, and we have some projects you're going to be working on with us that we will be announcing in the coming weeks. But you've been a part, informally a part of the team for a while because you've contributed to a lot of the podcasts over the years. You're going to remain out in Portland. Unfortunately, we can't have you here. We just got Caitlyn to move here. We're slowly drawing all, you know, pro Christian, pro neighbor people to ourselves. But you're going to stay out there, but you're going to be contributing to some of the stuff we're doing, especially some written content that we're working on, so. But your fingerprints may well show up in other places. But welcome to the team. We're really excited to have you.

[Drew Dick]

Thank you.

[Sky Jatani]

Part of us.

[Drew Dick]

To commemorate the event, for anyone watching the video, I am sipping water from my Holy Post Media Yeti Tumblr.

[Sky Jatani]

There you go. All the cool kids have them.

[Drew Dick]

Quite a flex. Yep.

[Sky Jatani]

Very much a flex. A bunch of other stuff's happening around here at Holy Post Media. For those of you who are Holy Post plus subscribers, you know that I'm writing my new book as a serial, releasing one chapter a month. We just released chapter three. I am scrambling to get chapter four done because I'm leaving the country shortly and I need to get it done before I head out. But that's a fun project. It's a new way for me to write a book. We're interacting with people. We're doing a live stream every month with people about the chapter. So go to Holy Post to learn more about that project. Of course, we have all of our other big stuff over at Holy Post Plus, I want to address one other thing before we jump into the Drew's News content, though. Drew. Because I know Some people subscribe and listen to the Skypod through their regular podcast platforms, whatever. And they get jaded and a little shocked when they're about halfway through this episode and it stops and my voice pops in and says, hey. The rest of the episode is exclusively for Holy Post plus subscribers. And people are like, why are you doing that? And that's mean. And why can't I get whole episode? Okay, couple things. Number one, this show, as people may or may not have noticed, has no ads on it. We don't sell advertising on the Skypod because it's part way behind the paywall for Holy Post plus subscribers. So there's a plus. You don't get any ads for shirts or dietary supplements or counseling. But the other reason is we, we support Holy Post Media largely through our Holy Post plus subscribers. So we've been trying to experiment with different ways to draw people into the Holy Post plus subscriber network. And so originally, the Skypod was kind of an experiment. I got the idea by listening to Andrew Sullivan's podcast, the Dishcast. Have you ever listened to that, Drew?

[Drew Dick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sky Jatani]

Brilliant podcast. He interviews long form interviews of really fascinating people. And he does that kind of same thing where partway through the podcast it fades out and then Andrew Sullivan pops in and says, hey, if you're a subscriber for whatever it is a year for his show, then you get the full thing. And I kept bumping into that and realized this is kind of a smart model. We should experiment with that and try it. So that's what we have tried with Skypod. And I'm really grateful for a lot of you who have become Holy Post plus subscribers. The difference, though is, apart from the Dishcast, like Andrew Solomon is when you become a Holy Post plus subscrib, you don't only get full episodes of the Skypod, you get everything we're creating over at Holy Post plus, which is a bunch of other podcasts and shows, video content, my new book, live streams, merchandise, like all of that stuff.

[Drew Dick]

Rewards in heaven, right? Exactly.

[Sky Jatani]

So it's a way not only to support the work we're doing and the content we're creating, but also resourcing yourself with all kinds of great stuff. But that's why we're doing it this way. So I know some of you are like, oh, I wish I could share this whole episode with my friends. Also, preview. Like, we are working on potentially a new system for Holy Post plus that will build in more of those capabilities and make it more user friendly. So all that's in the works. Thank you for your patience on it and thank you for those of you who are HolyPost plus subscribers because it allows us to hire people like Drew to do great content. And he's got young children and a dog to feed.

[Drew Dick]

A big growing dog.

[Sky Jatani]

That's right. You should tell everybody what you named your puppy.

[Drew Dick]

Okay. Well, he is a white golden retriever and he was like the biggest one in the litter. So we knew he was going to be a monster. And so I thought, okay, we need, he's white and he's going to be big. I should name him after the whale, Moby Dick. And then it hit me. My last name is Dick. It is perfect. Moby Dick is the dog.

[Sky Jatani]

Your dog is Moby Dick. I hope your fate is not the same as Ahab's.

[Drew Dick]

Right, so far, it's pretty close.

[Sky Jatani]

All right, Drew, so you've brought to us a whole slate of stories to talk about for this edition of Drew's News. What do you want to start with?

[Drew Dick]

Let's jump into it. This one has everyone talking online. This week, CNN ran a segment on Pastor Douglas Wilson. He is, well, this was the title, the Christian, the Christian nationalist pastor with ties to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. And it's about a six or seven minute segment, if you haven't seen it. Douglas Wilson is an interesting guy. He's been around for a while, as you know, Sky, I think he, he came on my radar back when we were at Christianity Today, I think. And back then, I remember he was like doing debates with Christopher Hitchens and debating students on college campuses. But he is, and I think he would own this, this label, a Christian nationalist.

[Sky Jatani]

Oh, yeah.

[Drew Dick]

And like the segment points out, his influence is, has been growing. He's also looking a lot like Santa Claus these days. He's got a big belly and a white beard. So that's a side note.

[Sky Jatani]

Well, that's not too hard to pull off.

[Drew Dick]

No, that's right. I'm on my way myself.

[Sky Jatani]

Sound like you have to work hard to.

[Drew Dick]

Well, I mean, you know, put on.

[Sky Jatani]

The pounds and grow the hair out. You basically do nothing. And those things happen, at least for me.

[Drew Dick]

Years of overeating.

[Sky Jatani]

That's right. Okay, so the connection to Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, we don't have to spend a lot of time on that. But apparently Doug Wilson, you know, he's in Moscow, Idaho, and leads this network of churches which are now stretching internationally. And they recently planted a new church in Washington, D.C. that some influential people are part of, including Pete Hegseth. Part of the controversy recently was Pete Hegseth retweeted or reposted a tweet from Doug Wilson basically saying that women should not have the right to vote.

[Drew Dick]

Yeah, well. And you know, it's funny, when I saw this segment and they were playing up the connection to Pete Hegseth, which isn't like an official connection organizationally to Doug Wilson, but I thought, oh, man.

[Sky Jatani]

He'S a member of the church.

[Drew Dick]

Well, yeah, okay, So I actually didn't know that.

[Sky Jatani]

Yeah.

[Drew Dick]

Now I thought, oh, man, Pete Hegseth is probably going to want to distance himself now from this guy. You know, could bring some heat on him. No, he shared the segment Pete Hegseth did on on X with the. He like retweeted it or whatever you call it now. And then he said all of Christ for all of life and shared the segment. So he is absolutely, it seems, 100% on board with Doug Wilson's Christian nationalism right now.

[Sky Jatani]

Okay. There's many ways to skin this cat. I want to begin by talking about his particular form of Christian nationalism. And in that segment we can split in two parts. Why it's, in my estimation, I think many others profoundly un American. And then why it's problematic as Christianity. So on the un American side, I mean, I already mentioned Doug Wilson doesn't think women should be allowed to vote. He, strictly speaking, does not believe in democracy. And he says this in the CNN interview. Democracy. The word democracy means rule of the people. He believes in theocracy. He believes that America and in fact every country should be ruled by a theocratic system that puts Christianity at the top. Okay, so he doesn't believe in democracy. He doesn't believe in one person, one vote. He doesn't believe in equal rights for women. He does not believe in the abolition of slavery.

[Drew Dick]

Yeah, that was, I mean, I don't know his broader views on that, but.

[Sky Jatani]

He'S written extensively about it.

[Drew Dick]

Yeah, right. There's a book called Black and Tan, I believe where he shares some really disturbing views. And yeah, in the segment, it's like he's kind of like, yeah, I'm glad slavery's gone. You know, he said he's glad that.

[Sky Jatani]

Chattel based slavery as practiced in the United States is gone because channel based slavery is not biblical. But he would argue slavery in and of itself is biblical.

[Drew Dick]

Right. And it's just that it was, it was executed by fallen human beings and they didn't do it. Right. So it's like, are you kidding? And then of course, he he plays up the supposedly warm connection that masters and slaves had with each other. Yeah, so crazy stuff.

[Sky Jatani]

So, I mean, going down the list now of how these things are un American. He doesn't believe in democracy. He does not believe in one person, one vote. He does not believe in equal rights for women. He does not believe in the abolition of slavery. He does not believe in the Constitution because he doesn't believe in the First Amendment and the separation of church and state. He does not believe in pluralism, that people of diverse faiths and beliefs should have equal rights under the law. So on all those fronts, and probably 10 more, this is a profoundly un American view to have. Now, I find it probably. Let's take faith out of it for a moment. I find it deeply problematic that the Secretary of Defense is retweeting and endorsing the beliefs of somebody who does not believe in the most essential qualifications of American leadership. Like, you might give biblical arguments for not believing in the Constitution, but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be in charge of the military of the United States or in the executive branch of government or an elected official of the country if you don't believe in the Constitution, that gives you the authority to do your office. Like, that's weird. That is very, very weird.

[Drew Dick]

A little unsettling.

[Sky Jatani]

Very. Then on the Christian side of things, Doug Wilson has this view that essentially Old Testament law ought to be put in place in modern society. And I think that's just a bad reading of Scripture.

[Drew Dick]

Right.

[Sky Jatani]

And a misunderstanding of what Jesus came to create. I don't believe he came to create nation states. So anyway, that could go on. I want to ask you this, though, Drew. Why do they make a big point in the CNN piece of that? His popularity is growing. His movement is growing. And not just Christian nationalism, but the particular form of Christian nationalism that Doug Wilson represents. Why do you think it's so appealing right now to so many people?

[Drew Dick]

Yeah, and I should say, too, from what I understand specifically why it's appealing to so many dudes. Right. There are a lot of guys that they're even moving to Moscow, Idaho, to kind of join the network and build the kingdom, as it were. And, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's a loss of cultural power that some Christians feel. And then this is sort of a radical response to that, you know, and it resonates with a lot of people. Like the one quote he had in the interview. He says, I'd like to see the town be a Christian town. I'd like to see the state be a Christian state. I'd like to see the country be a Christian country. I'd like to see the world be a Christian world. So it's this kind of grand vision of a Christian takeover. The other thing, too eschatological element to this that is mentioned in the CNN thing is that he sees this as sort of precipitating the second coming of Christ, apparently. Right. That they're going to usher it in in some way, which is another very dangerous approach, I think, on the Christian side of the equation. Right. Because, man, when you adopt that stance, it's like, okay, it's on me to establish the kingdom, to build the kingdom, to even bring in the second coming of Christ. That's dangerous. I remember being in seminary, one of my professors, Eddie Gibbs, said to the class, he said, if you're here because you want to build the kingdom, I have bad news for you. The kingdom's already built. It's already built, man. We're supposed to herald its arrival. And I think when it seems like a subtle shift, but when you go from I'm going to build and establish the kingdom, or if you say, I'm not going to be just a herald of the kingdom, I'm going to build and establish it.

[Sky Jatani]

Yeah.

[Drew Dick]

Then all of a sudden anything you do to. To achieve that is justified. Right, right. Because it's all on your shoulders to bring the kingdom about. And that. That gets really, really scary.

[Sky Jatani]

What strikes me is it sounds very post millennial. And, okay, so I know there's folks who don't know this language, but for most of our lives, especially in the American evangelical subculture, it's been dominated by a theological belief known as premillennialism. Premillennialism essentially says the world is going to deteriorate and become more and more corrupted and unjust and unchristian. And as things get worse and worse and as Christians become more and more persecuted in the world, then Jesus will return and wipe out his enemies and establish his reign on earth. That's pre millennialism. So it basically anticipates the decline of civilization and Christian values. Post millennialism, which was a belief that was held for a long time in a lot of parts of the Western church, Post millennialism said that Christians in the world and the church in the world will grow and convert more and more of the world to Christianity, create more and more just systems, more and more Christian institutions as they take over all the levers of power in the world. And essentially we will, through the church, establish the kingdom of God on earth and perfect society as a Christian society. And then Jesus will return. So millennium refers to this thousand year reign of Christ and his kingdom on earth. So when you say post millennial, that means we believe Christ will come after a thousand year reign of Christianity on the earth. Premillennialism said Christ is going to return and then establish the reign of himself on earth. But Doug Wilson is talking like a post millennialist, like I think he would be. I don't know if he would, but that's what he sounds like. And it's just, it's such a dramatic shift in posture from what a lot of American Christianity has been since, you know, the last 100, 150 years. And it's kind of jarring and striking that that's finding appeal. It's just weird. And that there's so many other people within the MAGA movement who are decidedly pre millennial and yet they're all finding common cause, which is weird. Okay, here's the other thing I wonder. I mean, this is a form of fundamentalism, right? It's strict fundamentalism. Because when he says that he wishes this town were Christian and that this state was Christian and the country was Christian, the whole world was Christian, like on one level I can go, okay, yeah, but how, right? How does this town become Christian? And I think his movement argues it's going to become Christian when Christians take over the levers and offices of power and impose Christian values and impose Christian laws and impose Christian structures. I would say the way a town becomes Christian is by the people of Christ loving their neighbors so sacrificially and so fully that the way of Christ becomes so appealing that others want to join the way, right? They're attracted into it. It's not from the top down, it's from the bottom up. But when he's going with this top down posture, I think part of the appeal of that, it's a very fundamentalist appeal, is as American society becomes increasingly complicated and difficult to navigate and pluralistic, there's a lot of people out there who are going, can I just please stop thinking so much? Can someone else make all these hard decisions for me? And I'll tell you the thing, and this is going to make some of our listeners upset. I'm going to warn you up front. I think what tipped this movement into the accelerated growth it's now seen is the fact that we've reached a point in American society where a significant number of people are questioning the most basic organizing principle of every human society throughout history. And that is, what does it mean to be male and female? When you get to a society that cannot answer that question simply, it's going to make people lose their minds. And they're like, okay, we're at a point now where we don't even know what it means to be a man or a woman. And people are seeing that impacting their children in schools and teenagers and, like, this whole movement now. And it's causing a lot more people to run to the safe harbor of these fundamentalist movements that are saying to them, not only will I tell you exactly what a man is and a woman is, I'm gonna tell you exactly what roles they're supposed to have in society. I'm gonna tell you exactly what offices they can have. I'll tell you exactly how men and women should function in every household and business and government office. We will take all the ambiguity out of this complicated society. And you can exhale again and relax. That's very appealing to people. When the culture has gone so far off of its definitions and moorings that we don't even know the basics anymore. And in a weird way, I would argue the extreme rhetoric of the left has fueled people running to the extreme craziness on the right that you see in a Doug Wilson. Yeah, I don't know how that ends. I don't know how you.

[Drew Dick]

You. You should not. Well, right. Yeah. And I think you're right. I mean, we got this polarization. We're in this cultural moment where people have given up on debate and reason, discourse and civility and humanizing the other side. And so kind of extreme views like this get a larger hearing. Because it's like, yeah, it's not that we're just gonna, you know, make iterative changes and slowly influence people to maybe have the country reflect our values a little more. Or like you said, be so winsome that people, you know, come to Christ or give Christianity a second look. No, this is sort of like, hey, we're going to take over eventually. We're going to hoist a Christian flag over the White House. And so it is appealing for that reason. And I'll say this. Doug Wilson is practicing what he preaches. He's out there creating his own little kingdom. He's got churches that he's planting, businesses in town, publishing house, sprawling campus. And so people see that and go, ah, this guy's doing something. He's actually.

[Sky Jatani]

Well, yeah, what's interesting about what he's doing is he's an institution builder. And so he's not A spring chicken. And when he's no longer around, this movement will continue because he has effectively built the institutions to perpetuate it. There have been other movements that are so almost cult like in their focus on the charismatic leader, that when the leader disappears, the thing kind of just dissipates. I think that might well happen with maga once Donald Trump is out of the picture. He's not an institution builder, he's just an institution destroyer. So I'm not sure MAGA has built the enduring institutions to keep going as a political and cultural movement, but Christian nationalism has. And Doug Wilson represents that. He's not a dummy. He knows what he's doing.

[Drew Dick]

He's very media savvy, too. He's got a knack for obviously saying controversial things. It gets. Get people talking. He's got a flair for the dramatic. I remember a few years ago, he had this video where he was given this talk on a couch that's in the middle of a field, and the couch is on fire, and the flames are creeping closer and closer to him, and he's sitting there smoking a cigar. So he's got this whole macho thing, and he's very. Yeah, he's very. Even though he's got to be, like, 70, he understands the media landscape. And. And he's working it.

[Sky Jatani]

He is working it. And my hunch is he's probably surrounded by a lot of very savvy young men who know how to work social media tech. Exactly. It's a movement that's going to draw a lot of them. It will be interesting what ends up happening. I mean, I don't want to predict scandals, but, like, these kinds of highly patriarchal movements often manifest horrible abuses.

[Drew Dick]

Oh, and there have already been some scandals. Yeah, but in some ways, they're. You know, if you take the Trump tactic, where you just shrug off scandals, sometimes they don't really affect you or at least your core movement.

[Sky Jatani]

Well, and the argument, the way they immunize themselves to these scandals is they might say, yeah, yeah, yeah, these terrible things may well have happened. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. And what we're trying to do here is save the culture from its inevitable decline. You know, slouching towards Gomorrah as. As Bork said many years ago. And if.

[Drew Dick]

If we originally. But if.

[Sky Jatani]

Yeah, if we don't succeed, then the secularists and the lgbtq, the progressives, all those are going to be the ones that take over all of America, and then we're in. Everyone's in huge trouble. So, yeah, we're going to turn a blind eye to some of these abuses because the overall mission is so much more important that we can't get somebody.

[Drew Dick]

Barbarians at the gate are so dangerous.

[Sky Jatani]

Exactly. And that's how they end up squashing the dissent over abuses that may happen in their midst. So it's unfortunate. I obviously am no fan of this, both as an American and as a Christian. I find it abhorrent. And it is scary to me that there are officials in the Trump administration, incredibly important positions of power that do not believe in the Constitution, that do not believe in pluralism, that do not believe in democracy. I don't know why. And the irony that this is coming from the end of the political spectrum that wraps itself in the flag and says the Constitution was inspired by Jesus, why they can't see these contradictions, I don't get. How can you say God gave us the Constitution and then put someone in charge of the whole military who doesn't believe in the Constitution? That's insane to me. But who says contradictions?

[Drew Dick]

My hunch is, though, if you sat down with Pete Hegseth, he probably doesn't even understand or couldn't articulate the tenants of Doug Wilson's theology.

[Sky Jatani]

Well, that's a problem, too. Like, so you're saying he's either dumb or evil. I don't want a dumb or evil person in charge of the Defense Department.

[Drew Dick]

I think he likes his vibe. He's like, oh, he's a macho dude who is into Jesus. And, yeah, I mean, that's my. That's my read of it. But it's still scary that he would cozy up to this kind of guy with these kind of ideas, 100%.

[Sky Jatani]

And. Okay, last rant. I think all of the problems we're seeing in government right now, at least in Washington, land at the feet of Congress, because there is no Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, if the Senate doesn't approve him.

[Drew Dick]

Right? Yeah.

[Sky Jatani]

Right. So. And I know for a fact that there are senators, including Republican senators, who, who see this problem, who recognize that he is unfit and unqualified to serve as Defense Secretary, but they won't do anything about it because they're more focused on saving their own hide in the next election than they are in doing what's right for the country or what's even constitutional. So blame President Trump all you want. Blame Pete Hegseth, blame Doug Wilson. At the end of the day, it's Congress's responsibility to prevent these kinds of people from having Power. People who don't believe in the Constitution and they didn't fulfill their duty. So I 100% blame Congress for this and many, many, many, many other things. And then we get into a deeper levels. Okay, well, why do we end up with the senators and congressional leaders that we have? That's another systemic issue that should be addressed. But Congress. Do your job.

[Drew Dick]

Yeah. Although Hegseth is pretty good looking. He's a pretty good looking dude. I'm confident enough in my masculinity to admit that. Okay, so that's.

[Sky Jatani]

I don't know. Man looks at the appearance. I look at the heart.

[Drew Dick]

You look at the heart. Good. Sky. Apparently not everyone does. Maybe that's how he skated through. All right, let's move on. All right. Okay, this is a real shift, okay, from that story. This is a New York Times story about the emotional labor of man keeping. Is that kind of like zookeeping? I don't know.

[Sky Jatani]

Is that like manscaping? I find that emotional. I got a lot of work to do there.

[Drew Dick]

I got less and less manscaping to do, you know, on the top of my head, but. All right, here's the subtitle. As male social circles shrink, female partners say they have to meet more social and emotional needs. So basically, they quote a whole bunch of, you know, psychologists and therapists that. That talk about how their male clients rarely open up to anyone except their girlfriends or their wives. And then their partners become their unofficial therapists doing all the emotional labor. I don't know what's wrong with this. Is this bad? I. I thought this is how it's supposed to be.

[Sky Jatani]

I read the article, and I. I don't know. I kind of think this is a load of bowl.

[Drew Dick]

Oh, well, that just means that you're part of the problem.

[Sky Jatani]

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