How Hilton is Turning Fandom into First-Class Stays—Insights from CMO Mark Weinstein

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Speed of Culture Podcast Episode Title: How Hilton is Turning Fandom into First-Class Stays—Insights from CMO Mark Weinstein
Release Date: February 11, 2025
Host: Matt Britton, Founder and CEO of Suzy
Guest: Mark Weinstein, Chief Marketing Officer of Hilton

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Speed of Culture Podcast, hosted by Matt Britton, we dive deep into the innovative strategies Hilton employs to transform consumer fandom into exceptional guest experiences. Joining us is Mark Weinstein, Hilton’s Chief Marketing Officer, who brings over fifteen years of expertise in driving Hilton’s brand evolution and loyalty programs.

Hilton’s Presence at CES: Embracing Industry Trends

[02:07] Mark Weinstein discusses Hilton’s strategic decision to attend the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas:

“It’s important to see the trends in the industry, see what's going on in the broader circles of what's going to be influencing culture and customer experience...”
[02:16]

Weinstein emphasizes the value of understanding emerging technologies and cultural shifts to enhance Hilton’s stay experience. CES provides a platform to reconnect with agency partners, explore new capabilities, and stay ahead in a rapidly evolving landscape.

Evolution of the Hospitality Industry

[02:55] Reflecting on Hilton’s century-old legacy, Weinstein highlights the company’s consistent core values amidst changing times:

“Our founder believed in the power of hospitality... Our ability to deliver for our customers, disconnecting from their day-to-day life or enabling a great heightened experience like a wedding or a business meeting, that hasn't changed either.”
[02:55]

He contrasts the unchanging essence of human hospitality with the dynamic ways Hilton interacts with customers, such as through mobile apps and personalized room selection.

Responding to Modern Consumer Needs

[04:10] Addressing current consumer expectations, Weinstein outlines how Hilton balances technological connectivity with the desire for restorative experiences:

“There’s almost again this extremeness in it. There’s a desire to be technologically connected... On the other hand, that you have high touch moments that are so analog.”
[04:10]

Hilton integrates features like text messaging for front desk services and in-room amenities such as Peloton bikes and gourmet food options to cater to diverse guest preferences.

Managing a Diverse Portfolio of Brands

[05:43] Discussing Hilton’s extensive portfolio of 24 brands, Weinstein explains the strategy behind maintaining uniqueness while ensuring a cohesive Hilton experience:

“We have a common DNA of what we stand for. Each brand needs to stand for something, but they all are powered by the same health and hospitality.”
[07:11]

This approach allows Hilton to serve various customer segments effectively, whether they’re leisure travelers, business professionals, or families, by offering tailored experiences across different brands.

Loyalty Programs: Hilton Honors

[07:31] Weinstein delves into the evolution of Hilton Honors, emphasizing the importance of first-party data in crafting personalized experiences:

“We have over 210 million Hilton Honors members that we get to know even more personally along the way... This data becomes the backbone of enabling that experience.”
[07:31]

Hilton leverages this data to understand customer preferences, drive brand acquisitions, and enhance loyalty through personalized offers and seamless interactions.

Pop Culture Partnerships: Building Fandom

[08:57] Highlighting Hilton’s collaborations with prominent cultural entities, Weinstein explains the rationale behind strategic partnerships:

“Being clear about what we stand for and what we believe in allows us to find partners who complement us... McLaren F1 is one of the fastest-growing sports on the planet.”
[08:57]

These partnerships, such as with McLaren F1 and NBCUniversal’s Wicked, enable Hilton to connect deeply with fan communities, offering unique experiences that resonate with their passions and enhance brand loyalty.

The Role of AI in Enhancing Guest Experience

[13:09] Transitioning to the impact of AI, Weinstein discusses how Hilton utilizes artificial intelligence to streamline operations and personalize guest interactions:

“AI is great at looking at the content, scoring it, writing descriptions as first drafts and kicking out exceptions for us to look through... Data can handle that.”
[17:35]

While AI handles routine tasks, Hilton focuses on creating meaningful content and storytelling, ensuring that technology enhances rather than replaces the human touch in hospitality.

Staying Ahead of Trends: Continuous Learning and Adaptation

[19:45] Weinstein shares his personal approach to staying informed about industry trends:

“I am just a voracious consumer of stuff. I'm just on social media, I'm reading magazines articles and watching TV programs...”
[19:45]

He emphasizes the importance of building a robust platform that allows Hilton to experiment with new ideas and double down on successful initiatives, ensuring the brand remains relevant and responsive to cultural shifts.

Career Insights: Embracing Challenges and Innovation

[22:50] Reflecting on his career journey, Weinstein advises aspiring professionals to tackle projects that others avoid, fostering growth and leadership:

“Do the project nobody else wants to do. Do the thing that's not being focused on right now... When they do, the next door opens up for the next opportunity.”
[22:50]

He underscores the importance of strategic risk-taking and continuous learning in achieving professional success.

Final Thoughts and Mantras

[24:08] Concluding the conversation, Weinstein shares two guiding principles:

1. Play the Hand You’re Dealt: Focus on current opportunities rather than lamenting circumstances.
2. Create an Environment for Creativity: Enable team members and partners to flourish by providing the necessary resources and support.

“There's a great quote from Warren Bennis who said there's two ways to be creative. One can sing and dance, or one can create in a world where singers and dancers can flourish.”
[24:08]

These mantras reflect Weinstein’s leadership philosophy, emphasizing adaptability and empowering others to contribute to Hilton’s ongoing success.

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Key Takeaways

• Adaptability is Crucial: Hilton thrives by staying ahead of industry trends and adapting its services to meet evolving consumer needs.
• Data-Driven Personalization: Utilizing first-party data through Hilton Honors enhances guest experiences and drives loyalty.
• Strategic Partnerships: Collaborations with cultural and sports entities bolster Hilton’s brand presence and connect with diverse fan bases.
• Embracing Technology: AI and other technologies streamline operations, allowing Hilton to focus on delivering exceptional human hospitality.
• Leadership Through Innovation: Mark Weinstein’s approach of tackling challenging projects and fostering a creative environment has been pivotal in his career and Hilton’s growth.

Notable Quotes

• Mark Weinstein:

  “Our ability to deliver for our customers... hasn’t changed either. Everything else around it has changed though.”
  [02:55]

• Mark Weinstein:

  “We have a common DNA of what we stand for. Each brand needs to stand for something, but they all are powered by the same health and hospitality.”
  [07:11]

• Mark Weinstein:

  “AI doesn’t say, 'let me find the cheapest or the closest.' It’s looking at all the dimensions of what a travel agent would talk to you about.”
  [17:35]

• Mark Weinstein:

  “Do the project nobody else wants to do... When you do, the next door opens up for the next opportunity.”
  [22:50]

• Mark Weinstein:

  “Play the hand you're dealt... move forward, and all we can do is beat the opportunity that's at hand.”
  [24:08]

Conclusion

Mark Weinstein’s insights reveal how Hilton effectively merges tradition with innovation, leveraging data and strategic partnerships to stay relevant in a fast-paced cultural landscape. By focusing on personalized guest experiences and embracing technological advancements, Hilton continues to set the standard in the hospitality industry.

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Transcript

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[Mark Weinstein]

These passion points allow us to connect with consumers. These brands allow us to connect with our people. Those people then become their tribe and that tribe stays with us. And that's been a winning success for us. A really good formula.

[Matt Britton]

To thrive in a rapidly evolving landscape, brands must move at an ever increasing pace. I'm Matt Britton, founder and CEO of Suzy. Join me and key industry leaders as we dive deep into the shifting consumer trends within their industry, why it matters now and how you can keep up. Welcome to the Speed of Culture up today. Live from ces. We are here with Mark Weinstein, the Chief Marketing officer of Hilton, a global leader in hospitality. With over a decade at Hilton, Mark has driven transformational initiatives from the award winning Hilton for the Stay campaign to the explosive growth of Hilton Honors. Mark, it's so great seeing you today.

[Mark Weinstein]

Thanks so much for having me, Matt. I appreciate.

[Matt Britton]

Absolutely. You know, I've been going to CES now for G is about 20 years and it used to be everyone who's in electronics, they didn't want everyone in media. Now it's everyone who's anyone in the advertising, digital space, et cetera. Why is it important for you as a CMO of Hilton to come here to CES in Las Vegas?

[Mark Weinstein]

You know, it's funny, I was thinking we took off a couple of weeks for the holiday, was enjoying our hotels all across the world and really taking a chance to relax and recharge and then you just jump right in the deep end with ces, right?

[Matt Britton]

Oh yeah, right.

[Mark Weinstein]

Back in the new year, go on that plane and off you go. I think for us it's important to see the trends in the industry, see what's going on in the broader circles of what's going to be influencing culture and customer experience and capabilities that might enable our stay, experience things that are adjacent to us, that may not be immediately apparent, what they're going to do. And then for me personally, it's a great chance to reconnect with our agency partners, our brand partners, to learn what's going on in the broader space and reconnect with friends that I haven't seen in a year. So good fun. Yeah, of course.

[Matt Britton]

You mentioned innovation and things changing. If you've been at Hilton now since 2010, so about 15 years, how have you seen the hospitality space evolve over time? And what gets you most excited heading here into 2025?

[Mark Weinstein]

What's really interesting to me is if you go back to our founding, go back 100 years, which is crazy, to start an innovation story going back that far. Our founder believed in the power of hospitality. He believed in the responsibility of our team members to deliver the light and warmth of hospitality. He believed that a world that broke bread together would not feel as foreign and people would start to get to know each other as humans and we might achieve actually, he said, world peace through travel. So that vision actually hasn't changed in over 105 years. Our ability to deliver for our customers, disconnecting from their day to day life or enabling a great heightened experience like a wedding or a business meeting, that hasn't changed either. Everything else around it has changed though. Where customers go to dream, how did they are inspired by, you know, who tells them where to go on vacation or where to go on holiday, the kind of hotel they're looking for. You've seen us develop 24 brands now across every stay occasion, for every travel budget and unique occasion. How we interact with our customers to the app, you know, letting you choose your room and go right to the room with the phone, all those things are new and yet the core of it remains the same. And I think that dichotomy, that seemingly paradoxical dichotomy of one of the world's oldest professions, that hasn't changed at all. Humans serving humans, people serving people delivering hospitality in a ecosystem that is totally enabled by new technology, new capabilities and new ways to create and tell stories. Absolutely.

[Matt Britton]

So what are some of the new things that consumers are looking for now when they go into a hotel room? And how is Hilton leading into those things unique to its brand?

[Mark Weinstein]

Yeah, when you look at our, you know, we've done a couple of trend reports over the last couple years, and this year what was really striking is there's almost again this extremeness in it. There's a desire to be technologically connected. And so the ability to message our front desk through text messaging. We're so used to text messaging everybody. Yeah. Why would you pick up the phone and call the front desk? You're used to text messaging phone. Right. So people are happy to do that and satisfaction goes up because the things are not going to bother stopping at the front desk where they're now doing over the phone. That becomes a high tech moment in that regard. On the other hand, you have high touch moments that are so analog. Right. That people want disconnection. They want to have restorative sleep, they want to have a recharging, restful experience. They want a peloton in their room, which we're able to do. They want the ability to have great food and beverage options that either elevate their lifestyle, you know, in a heightened moment of celebration with Michelin star chefs, or maybe recreate the diet they try to stay on when they're traveling for business. And so we're living in this world where both the technology is accelerating and enabling things like choosing your room by yourself, you know, from the floor plan, whatever room you want. Automatically upgrading our Hilton honors members several days in advance, allowing parents to confirm a connecting room at time of booking, which is huge for parents.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mark Weinstein]

Versus waiting at time to check in a year later. And then on the other hand, that the basics are just still this disconnection, this sort of retreat from it all. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Britton]

So you had mentioned 24 brands and obviously Hilton is the master brand, so to speak. But when you look at the different consumer segments you serve, from leisure traveler to business traveler, etc. Across the 24 brands, how do you look at that overall spectrum and how do you manage the nuances of all those brands to make sure that they're all unique?

[Mark Weinstein]

It's a great question. Look, at the end of the day, we are a consumer and a brand company. That's all we do. And so having the distinctly defined 24 brands is really important. And every time we have an unmet need, rather than try to cannibalize or bastardize an existing brand, we can create a new brand or we can partner or buy a brand, as we've done the last couple of years with our acquisition of Nomad Hotels or Graduate Hotels, or our partnership with Autocamp or Slh small luxury hotels of the world. Those give us opportunities to serve new customer segments. If we take a step all the way back. We believe very much that we're for the stay, that the branded stay experience is the business we're in. And we think about that. We spend a lot of time refining what makes a Hilton stay, a Hilton stay at any of our brands. And we realized it was the combination of great physical experience, this physical build out of a great place that motivates you, great service experience, this design of humans serving humans, people serving people to create human hospitality, and great technology enabling it. That's common in all of our brands. And the stay allow you to make the most of why you came. This need to be somewhere to be taken care of in this moment is what we do best across all 24 brands. So there's common DNA of what we stand for. There's literal DNA and Hilton honors backing all 24 of our brands. And then each brand is standing for its own unique travel budget and occasion. And so for a lot of our customers, what that means is they're transversing the brands. They might prefer a Waldorf Astoria for their honeymoon and then a great Hilton for a powerful business meeting they're having. And then ultimately they find themselves, their kids, soccer game at a Hampton. And so each brand needs to stand for something, but they all are powered by the same health and hospitality. Yeah.

[Matt Britton]

And you mentioned loyalty is kind of like the underlying layer in your Hilton Honors program. Obviously is a huge bedrock to how you go to market. How has loyalty changed in hospitality space in terms of what consumers expect? Because I know a lot of companies, yours included, have ventured into non endemic categories to basically round out a lifestyle approach for your loyalty offerings.

[Mark Weinstein]

Yeah, look, we make no secret about it. We want to have a brand, a hotel, a stay for every travel budget, need and occasion anywhere in the world. And that requires us to have a range of offerings. Some of that is market driven. There's just certain market conditions. If you look at the rising middle class all around the world, if you look at that segment, we have to have brands in that space. So we launched Spark, for example. People got really interested in glamping during the pandemic in particular, I shouldn't even call it glamping. This auto camp partnership we have is just a great experience where there's these nine sites in the US that are Airstreams that you stay in and a great common experience with hospitality and so very cool. Yeah. And each of these are designed for an unmet need and so if we want to serve you for every occasion, we have to have something for everyone. Hilton Otter is adding about 83,000 new members a day because of the relevance we're providing. And so whether that's the core offering of the stay itself. Better value, better perks, treating you with special, upgrading you and personalizing the stay experience for you, giving you relevant offers. And then some of our partnership work, you know, what we're doing with McLaren F1 and other things to make sure that people get these once in a lifetime money can't buy experiences. Hilton honors the glue that keeps all 24 brands attached to the stay.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah, I want to dig into a couple of things that you just mentioned, one of which is these sort of like pop culture oriented partnerships you mentioned. F1, F1 obviously just occurred in Las Vegas. It's a huge pop culture phenomenon. I also know that you've had recently a collaboration with the Wicked through Universal. Would love to hear what gives you, as the cmo, conviction in some of those partnerships. How do you know that they're right for the brand and why are they important areas for you to invest in?

[Mark Weinstein]

It's a great question. I think the first step is being confident in who we are. What do we bring to the world, what are we good at? What is our core space that we operate in and what is not our core competency. And so being clear about what we stand for and what we believe in allows us to A, do that really well, but B, find partners who compliment us. Yeah, we're not trying to white label them, we're not trying to pretend they're us. We're actually trying to find great brands to partner with that ranges from Paris. Paris Hilton, who's ultimately the granddaughter of the family and has been part of our legacy and is helping tell our story authentically and creating iconic suites that the Beverly Hilton to stay in. Partners like NBCUniversal, who we worked with for the years, brought us the IP of their movie slate. And Wicked felt like a natural way to build out a room at the New York Hilton in Midtown. So you find those opportunities. McLaren F1, 20 years, you know, we've been partnering with them now they just won the Constructors Championship. It's one of the fastest growing sports on the planet. And every weekend they're playing an away match. Right? Every weekend they're somewhere in the world at one of 24 cities in the world. As the season plays out, where they're staying with us, we're making their stay feel like home. Whether it's In Singapore, where we flip the day so they stay on European time and yeah. Breakfast at night and flip around the housekeeping schedule and serve dinner in the morning and keep the blackout shades up. That's what we do for these fandom communities. And if you think about the passion points, I love what Dr. Marcus Collins talks about, finding your tribes and finding your people. And, you know, people in my tribe look, do and feel this. And therefore they buy and associate with these brands. These passion points allow us to connect with consumers. These brands allow us to connect with our people. Those people then become their tribe and that tribe stays with us. Yeah. And that's been a winning success for us. A really good formula.

[Matt Britton]

And I think that tribal mentality also impacts the way that people increasingly travel. Now you look at passion points like the NFL or college football, they're increasingly becoming kind of travel rituals. And I would imagine having your properties at the heart of those leisure stays actually provides more upside opportunity as well.

[Mark Weinstein]

That's right. And to your question earlier, our unique role is we don't control the Taylor Swift concert, we don't control the F1 race, we control the stay. And so we know you're there for those things. But our role is very unique in that moment to enable you to be connected with those communities, to retreat into our hotels to either celebrate even more loudly at the bar and gather with friends or go quietly and do your work in the corner, whatever that is you're trying to achieve. That's what we want to enable. And also for all guests. One of the things we did this year is partnered with Be My Eyes and it's an AI and human powered app that allows those who are visually impaired to get assistance remotely so they can be guided around the room to help find the thermostat and set the right temperature or audio. Describe the view out the window for the stay means for every customer for the stay. And so we talk a lot about passion points, but there's also communities that aren't being served as much and we're here to be there for them as well. And yeah, that's been a part of grudging.

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[Matt Britton]

So obviously we've mentioned loyalty. At the heart of every loyalty program is data and first party data. And your company has the privilege of serving customers directly. Unlike say Coca Cola has to sell through a Walmart or Target. And first party data is only becoming more and more power in the age of AI. How do you look at first party data and crafting a go to market strategy to be able to unpack personalization and other opportunities really drive more growth and efficiency for your portfolio?

[Mark Weinstein]

That's a great question. We have over 200 million guests a year and we're fairly fortunate that we have over 200 million, you know, 210 million Hilton Honors members that we get to know even more personally along the way. The direct relationship we have makes it more efficient to engage with them.

[Matt Britton]

Right.

[Mark Weinstein]

We have a direct connection with them. There's cost removal of the system. Sometimes when they're booking through us directly that we're able to then reinvest in their experience versus paying to acquire them again and again and again, again. And so that data becomes the backbone of enabling that experience. Some of it allows us to see macro trends. There are things that we see we're missing. Brands, for example. And so we went out and bought through a JV Nomad Hotels. Right? We want to be in that luxury lifestyle space. We wanted to make sure we had more college campuses. We bought the graduate brand to have that in the portfolio. You see that from our customer data. You see what we're missing out on. You see the stays we're losing on, you see their preferences. You start to evolve the product. The partnerships we do, the way we actually build out the brand driven by that. Certainly the offers we put in front of customers and the products content we put in front of Them driven by personalization and then ultimately the interaction with the customer. Whether that's messaging them about key things we know that are relevant to them, whether that's a luxury hotel, pre booking you for the spa appointment they know you're going to want to have and saving space for you. We are always in the human serving, human business, but the technology is powering that. It's enabling our team members to deliver authentic hospitality, taking them away from the mundane, complicated tasks of trying to figure out what guests wants, what dinner reservation or what wine preference you have. Data can handle that. For us, the team members become the point of delivery. And so that's how the customer relationship with Hilton Honors enables the data, which then enables a better stay experience.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah, absolutely. And in terms of obviously you being able to implement these strategies, you have to be able to reach and capture appropriate mind share of your customers getting bombarded with millions of messages every day. And obviously your customer's changing. So your customers are increasingly becoming a customer that grew up with the iPhone in the household that's looking at their phone as an appendage to their body versus more traditional linear mediums, which means more importance in areas like the creator economy. Because when they're on their phones, they're normally looking at content from other people.

[Mark Weinstein]

That's right.

[Matt Britton]

How do you look at the evolution of media and content and leveraging creators and influencers to drive your brands?

[Mark Weinstein]

Yeah, again, I come back to the basics. Storytelling is more important than ever. Yeah, of course. Always been at the heart of how we're doing. That has changed rapidly. Being clear on who we are and what we stand for has been very important because it allows us to pick the right people to help tell that story for us. When it comes to creators, we're working with all kinds of different creator communities. Whether it's a 10,000 person following or 10 million. Finding people that can authentically tell the stay story in their own voice is really important to us now. It's a little scary as a brand. You lose control. You don't have full control over what you're saying and doing. But the authenticity is worth it. The connection to that tribe of fans they already have in that community they've already built. When you look at the media strategy overall, I do think the shift is more towards attention and engagement than it is from just reaching frequency.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah.

[Mark Weinstein]

At the end of the day, we are the most recognized hospitality brand on the planet. I don't have a brand awareness problem. What I have is a meaning, a depth of culture, opportunity in front of me to connect with customers who don't yet consider us. Some of that is actually putting new brands in place, introducing new products for them that maybe they didn't have a price point with us before or a type of stay occasion. We now have that available to them. But then how do you tell that story? I'm willing to trade off some of the engagement with the gen pop through mass media by finding more targeted ways to engage. I think the thing that's getting a little bit confused in that conversation though, is it doesn't mean the mediums are changing. Video is still extremely powerful. Of course. It just may not be that I want to be on primetime. I may want to be in a more targeted place on a device that's more of a second or third screen, which actually then it's more of a first screen at this point for a lot of the new travelers of the world.

[Matt Britton]

Right. Yeah. I think people get confused between the modality or the form factor of the television or the nature that people still want to watch long form video.

[Mark Weinstein]

Well said. Yeah. And I think we've got this, the whole issue confused between performance and brand the other day. We're here to build a brand.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah.

[Mark Weinstein]

Performance media will do the last step of that journey. But you're fighting in the auction market to get a customer to change their behavior. I'd rather establish preference upfront by connecting in culture and passion points and fandom in such a way that we're the only choice for them and then using performance media just to remind them at the last moment that of course we're here for them when they book that stay again. I think that gets confused with moving away from really powerful storytelling mediums. That's different than the channel itself. Yep.

[Matt Britton]

So we're here at CES and you're a CMO of an iconic brand. There's CMOs of so many iconic brands that are here all faced and grappling with the same things entering 2025. Namely, where does AI play a role in how you go to?

[Mark Weinstein]

Sure.

[Matt Britton]

How you think about creativity, how you think about the consumer and how it's going to change their lives. What are your thoughts on AI and how it's going to change your job as CMO of Hilton in the year ahead?

[Mark Weinstein]

Well, the first thing I like that we're done debating whether it's going to be a thing or not or whether it's a good idea. Like we're so past that point. This is real. It is a way of coming. I think the hype cycle is Still a little hot. I think we're still over rotating on tactics and sort of uses at the moment versus looking at the long term implication. But always happens, which always happens and then eventually the good ideas settle in and become the new way of working and the new way of engaging and the old idea ideas that are, you know, fads go away and drop off. We'll of course use what we are already using, generative AI to do all the more routine stuff. Right version, controlling images and scoring our content. We have 1.25 million rooms. To have people go through all the photography is a cumbersome task. Yeah, AI is great at looking at the content, scoring it, writing descriptions as first drafts and kicking out exceptions for us to look through. So there's, there's gonna be a tremendous amount of effort on more efficiency on the more routine tasks that are not what humans are best at doing on the creator side. Look, I do believe very few consumer brands will create an AI solution that'll change the game. It's just not going to happen. It's just not what we do. The tech companies will play in that space. There'll be companies we haven't even heard of that will create in that space. Our job is to create great content and great storytelling that's extensible to that. So I'm not freaking out and geeking out which tool it's going to be, but I want to create a corpus of the best content. So when somebody says what's the best thing for my stay? AI doesn't say, well, let me find the cheapest or the closest. It's looking at all the dimensions of what a travel agent would talk to you about a human or the best friend would recommend. To do that, we have to bombard the world and fill the corpus with content in a way that we've never had to do before. Is it tagged right? Is it proliferated correctly? Is it being served up in all the places? That is, I think the most pragmatic thing that a CMO should be doing right now is populating the world with our story in a way that can be consumed by the AI. And then over time we'll do exactly what we did with social media or E commerce or any of these other things that were massively disruptive once they settled down. You meet the customers where they are, you change roles and responsibilities to meet the moment. You add new roles, you evolve roles that go with it. You change relationships with partners and agencies to match the circumstance. But you don't get ahead of that. By trying to anticipate it, you have to be watching for it and reacting to it, testing your way into it. And then when you see the trends become real, then you lean into them and make them the forefront of what you're trying to do.

[Matt Britton]

So as a cmo, how are you spending your time to make sure that you have your finger on the pulse of those trends and you understand where the world's headed?

[Mark Weinstein]

It's a great question. I look at it in two ways. One is I am just a voracious consumer of stuff. I'm just on social media, I'm reading magazines articles and watching TV programs and watching YouTube clips and all the things you do to stay relevant in culture and just kind of keep a pulse on what's going on there. I think the real answer is you have a platform as a brand and that's what we focused on is that if you move away from just advertising campaigns or tactics or just one off things and you create a platform and our for the state platform is just that, it's a platform that will endure the test of time. It's our just do it. It's our powerful backing American Express. It's our priceless. You can take more risks because each bet is a small bet to take. It's in service of a larger message. And so you don't have to be on top of every trend trying a bunch of things. The ones that don't work great, don't do them again. The ones that do work, double down, triple down, quadruple down. And so the example may I'll give you from a few years ago we found out that TikTok was gonna let you have a 10 minute TikTok, the longest TikTok possible. We said, well if we're for the stay in a world that's kind of always on the go, can we get people to stay for 10 minutes in the longest possible TikTok? And we created and I didn't understand the idea really, I mean the team pitched it and the creators pitch and I thought, well that's interesting, right? I'm not sure it's going to go anywhere. But it didn't matter because we have a platform. It wasn't our only advertising, it wasn't our only performance media. We have all these other things working in tandem that when that thing caught fire and we saw hundreds of millions of views, we were ready to double down and step on the gas, embrace it and step on the gas and then move to the next thing. And I think that's the that's how things are trending. That's right.

[Matt Britton]

It used to be you made these huge bets on 30 second spots and it hit well, then you're kind of screwed until the next quarter.

[Mark Weinstein]

All your eggs were in the basket. You shot something a year ago, you hit play on it and you hope it works.

[Matt Britton]

Right?

[Mark Weinstein]

Today we're reacting real time, we're adjusting. And if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean the whole thing doesn't work. It means one little part of it may not work. That's change the end frame or change the channel strategy or change the execution or whatever it is. Nothing is irreversible at this moment. I think that's what's interesting as a cmo.

[Matt Britton]

Yeah, for sure. So, shifting gears, we wrap up here. You've, as I mentioned earlier, been at Hilton for 15 years. Have been in the CMO seat for about five. When you look back at your journey at Hilton and even your time before that, what are some of the decisions that you think you made right along the way to put you in the seat that you're in today?

[Mark Weinstein]

Yeah. Look, the piece of advice I always give folks is do the project nobody else wants to do. Do the thing that's not being focused on right now. You know, people always gravitate towards the shiny object. Problem with the shiny object is it's high pressure because it's often the biggest bet the company's counting on or the team is counting on. The roles and responsibilities are often super defined. So your swim lanes are super narrow. There's not a lot of room to learn, and there's not a lot of tolerance for risk taking. Right. Because it's so high pressure. That's the thing that's been promised. I guarantee you, though, two years back, there are projects they're incubating that will become the next shiny object. And my entire career at Hilton has been finding the next thing. Right. Finding the thing that nobody was yet thinking about or working on, rolling up my sleeves, getting involved. I think the balance of strategy and operations, execution, you know, that makes you a sharper strategist. Yeah. And it makes you a sharper executioner in the best possible way. And so what my advice to younger team members is go on that journey. Go do the thing you're not that interested in, but you think could be interesting. And then when it becomes the shiny object, you're the expert, you're the leader of it, you're the one driving it. And now suddenly you're in prime time and you put yourself in A position of strength. And so for me, Hilton's always met me with another challenge that I could deliver against. And when I did, the next door opened up for the next opportunity.

[Matt Britton]

I think a lot of times why people don't do that is they just don't have confidence in ability to dive into something new or it sits almost a little bit of an imposter syndrome. It's like, well, why would I go do that? I'm not an expert in that.

[Mark Weinstein]

Look, I started my career in consulting, and the biggest epiphany a year into that, one year out of school was, shoot, nobody here knows what they're doing.

[Matt Britton]

Nobody knows anything.

[Mark Weinstein]

We're all just making up. We're all just big babies trying to grind our way through life by making things up as we go along. And people get fancy titles. And hopefully over time, we make more right decisions than wrong. And hopefully the past experiences inform the future, but the future is unknown, and none of us know what's going to happen. And all of us are just trying to do our best to muddle through it. It's so liberating. Once you give yourself permission, just try something. Yeah, go for it. And not be worried about the right way to do it, or will I make a mistake? Or what happens if I fail?

[Matt Britton]

I think the gem of what you said is give yourself permission. I think so many people are waiting for permission and a lot of ways waiting to be told what to do. And I think if you go down that path, you're going to go down the opposite road, which is not as appealing, because most jobs where you just sit around, wait to be told what to do. Those are jobs become offshored or outsourced, et cetera.

[Mark Weinstein]

That's right. And look, I can't guarantee anybody success. There's nothing you can do that'll guarantee success. But not taking risks will guarantee you don't succeed. That is something I'm sure of.

[Matt Britton]

Absolutely. So to wrap up here, and again, thanks so much for taking your time during the busy.

[Mark Weinstein]

Yes.

[Matt Britton]

Is there a quote or a mantra that comes to mind that kind of have guided your professional journey?

[Mark Weinstein]

There's two things that come to mind, and I think they're both actually quite fitting for Vegas. The older I get, the more time I spend in the business, the more I think, just play the hand you're dealt. Yeah, I think a lot of calories get wasted on debating why we're in the circumstance, or why did this happen to me? Or why is my competitor doing this? Or why does it, you know, what doesn't matter. We are where we are, move forward, and all we can do is beat the opportunity that's at hand and play out what we've got in front of us. And so I spent a lot of time, my personal and professional life, start playing the hand of Gelt. And the second thing that I just really believe in, and again, it's been really a motivator for me, is there's a great quote from Warren Bennis who said there's two ways to be creative. One can sing and dance, or one can create in a world where singers and dancers can flourish. And increasingly, my job is to create that environment, to create that world, to create that platform for the teams to be able to be successful, whether they're my team members at Hilton, our agency partners, creators or brand partners. My job is not to do the work. My job is to create an environment with the context and the resources available and the coaching and the guidance so others can do what they do best, which is great.

[Matt Britton]

I love that you heard everyone deal with the hand that you're dealt with. Hope you get nothing but a royal.

[Mark Weinstein]

Straight flush here and likewise your time in Vegas.

[Matt Britton]

And again, thanks for taking the time and a big fan of yours from afar and it's been great to hear about your journey and the work you're doing at Hilton.

[Mark Weinstein]

Hey, really appreciate it. Thanks, Matt.

[Matt Britton]

Absolutely. On behalf of Susan Iowa team, thanks again to the great Mark Weinstein, the CMO of Hilton, for joining us today live from CES in Las Vegas. Be sure to subscribe Rate Review the Speed of Culture podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Till next time.

[Mark Weinstein]

See you everyone.

[Matt Britton]

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