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The Spiritual Hustler
A Conversation with the Woman Who Took Me to Egypt, Journeys into Sakred Portals & What an “Initiation” Really Looks Like with Joey McCune
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Welcome to the Spiritual Hustler podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Zweig, multi seven figure serial entrepreneur, best selling author and branding and business coach. And this is a show where we are redefining the word hustle. Reclaiming our true feminine nature of magnetism and putting down the self judgments and shame around loving to work and making a lot of money at it. On this show, you're going to learn how to stop hustling and start creating spiritually hustling. By pressing play, you are now part of a new movement of women who don't hustle for money. We hustle for meaning. We don't hustle from lack. We hustle for love. We don't hustle from survival. We hustle for humanity's thriving. We hustle toward healing the ancestral programming of fear and step into a new understanding of safety in the body to receive this shift isn't going to only heal your life to make you a whole lot richer too. This is the Spiritual Hustler podcast. Well, hello my beautiful spiritual hustlers and welcome back to the podcast. You guys, I am recording this intro. I just got to be real, real in my brand new studio inside of my brand new home that is so fresh and such an upgrade and has the most amazing, amazing vibes. Honestly, I got to give huge shout out to my guy Logan, who came down from Austin or came up from Austin, I should say, to help me build this incredible new space with such sacred, beautiful feathered frequency. For all of you spiritual hustlers, there's going to be so many incredible interviews and conversations that are going to be coming out of this space and I'm just feeling even though we're at the end of the year, the year of the snake has been a has in 2025 by the way. Felt so short and so long at the same time. I don't know about you guys, but. But having these new conversations that I'm gonna be sharing with you between now and the end of the year, it feels like a new beginning. It feels like there is a fresh energy as we all are releasing this final layer of that snake skin. Shedding to step into a whole new frequency inside of 2026. And I just could not be more grateful that I get to come on the microphone week to week. Doesn't matter the space because space and time are just kind of a linear illusion in the way we look at it here in the 3D. We're always ever connected in the most beautiful quantum entanglement field that keeps this community so woven as we expand our businesses, our brands, our leadership aptitude, our revenue, our consciousness, our joy, our abundance. And I'm just really honestly so clear that there is no show like this. That, and I say that with true humility, that is blending business and spirituality for women in the same conversation. And I'm especially excited about today's interview because I feel like this is the interview you guys have been waiting for, whether you realized it or not. So much of the spiritual Hustler podcast message movement, this entire new brand that I birthed about two years ago, all really was the response, if you will, and the integration after my trip to Egypt. Now if you've been following my journey for quite some time, you already know if you have not been following my journey and you're new to this community, welcome. I'm so happy you are here. I had been living the life of a hashtag boss babe for so many years, really had gotten myself so hooked into the dopamine hit of success and hustle and productivity and revenue ascension year over year, growing like a straight line upwards like a hockey stick, addicted to my identity of a successful woman. And it was all an illusion, it was all a lie that I had swallowed from the the programming of this 3D reality and conditioning, whether it came from my parents or my schooling or my community or the culture at large and what we're just fed every day that success needs to look like Killing yourself and Badge of Honor. The harder I worked, the more money I made. Yeah, but the harder I worked, the more I suffered. And I was blind to the depth of that suffering until I went to Egypt at the tail end of 2022 and I thought I was going for like a fun 15 day spiritual experience and nothing like the great pyramids of Giza that will fuck up your entire life plans. Just saying. And I had a full on death. I died in Egypt. That version of me, the one that was so addicted to accolades, productivity, scaling big teams, making a big impact, winning the awards, having all of the checks on my quote unquote resume that I had made it, all of that died and I was reborn because that's the cycle of life and evolution is birth, death, rebirth. And that trip inspired the Light Work, the book that I would come home and channel in three months time that became a USA Today bestseller. That trip inspired the Feminine Frequency Business School, which is my flagship program that has now graduated over 200 women plus worldwide into becoming MBA level certified female entrepreneurs of the new Earth. It inspired my mastermind where I take my small group to Avalon, the feminine Egypt once a year in a very small sacred container. It inspired my rebirth of my marriage. It inspired the sale of my former business. Simply be into starting Jessica Zweig Inc. To healing my body, my nervous system, to coming home to my true identity as a living, breath breathing, embodiment, walking piece of the goddess. And none of that would have happened if the woman that you're about to meet today, Joey McCune, didn't decide to start a company called Sacred Journeys and Pilgrimage small groups to Egypt multiple times a year. And I happened to jump into the one she was hosting in November of 2022. And Joey the real truth about Egypt. And we're going to get into all things Egypt today. It's not a place that you to go one and it's certainly not a place you should go if you want to go there to get the codes and to experience the ancient mysticism and the activated frequencies of these sacred sites and tap into the Stargate portal on the planet that it is. If you don't have somebody to guide you and you don't have the right guides to guide you. And Joey has been to Egypt I think over 20, 30 times. I don't know she'll explained in this interview, but she really created the space for me to die. And whether you're feeling the call to go to Egypt or not, there is something about Joey's message and the way she walks and the way she lives her life wherever she may walk. That in and of itself is a lesson in integrity and an alignment and following your destiny. Joey has prolific career. She's a fucking boss. Joey is a incredibly successful entrepreneur herself. She has three decades of experience in real estate, design and entrepreneurship. She started her career in Seattle, became one of the biggest agents in town, crushed it and then you'll hear today got a ping to uproot her entire life and move to Tulum, Mexico. She's a longtime sound healer. She wrote two real estate books and is now leading and is now about to publish her third book on Egypt which she will talk about today. She started Cenote Sagrado Sound Healing Tulum which are the most coveted world class hottest destinations for sound baths, sound journeys in the world. She's going to talk about how she found her cenote. What a cenote is why what she has tapped into this billions of years old cave underground with water in it was really her opening to her this destiny. And all about sacred journeys, the trips that she plans to Egypt and throughout Mexico and beyond. Joey really is an architect of the new Earth. When I think of the new Earth rising and those that are leading it, I think of Joey. Her work is rooted in frequency. She is one of the most talented sacred designers I've ever been blessed to meet and walk through her spaces. She works in the multi dimensional field. She initiates people home to their energetic blueprints of abundance, of healing, and of the highest expansion you could ever imagine for yourself. And I speak from experience. And so this was one of my most exciting full circle conversations, because this entire podcast was inspired by Egypt and the woman that died and was reborn there. And none of that would have been possible without Joey. And so you are in for a treat today. So get ready, open your heart, open your mind, and take a journey with me and Joey on this conversation on the Spiritual Hustler podcast. And it is my deep honor to welcome Joey McCune to all of you in the flesh with me in Nashville. Welcome to the Spiritual Hustler podcast.
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So exciting.
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I'm so excited. I get to see you, like a couple times a year at this point, which is such a gift. And you're one of those women that anytime I'm with, I upgrade.
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Thank you.
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The truth.
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Well, likewise. I mean, that's why we're friends.
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It's. We're Leo's sisters and we totally have that Sekhmet code. Yes. And I really want to start. I want to start just by getting right into this, actually, because everyone knows that I went to Egypt and I wrote a book about it, and everyone always wants to learn more about Egypt because I somehow clearly became some sort of microphone for it. And what I experienced in Egypt, the call to come to Egypt, the stars aligning to invite me into that country, wouldn't have been possible without you. I really want to start there because people need to know who you are, that you have created this portal for people to come through, and you lead it and you guide it through sacred journeys. And I want to thank you publicly in front of my audience.
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That's really touching to me. Thank you.
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I'm serious.
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I watched real time transformation happen. And you are such a beautiful example of that. When guests are called to come to Egypt with me or any person that they come to Egypt with and they experience the magic that's there, what happened to you was a beautiful example. And because of who you are and what this is, look what it's done to you. I mean, I'm just watching the ever changing evolution of Jessica's WAG over the years, and it's been unbelievable and amazing, and I I just, I'm honored, honestly, and thank you for having me on here to talk about it. And I think that Egypt is so much more than what, what people think it is.
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Absolutely.
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It's just a whole other depth to it and dimension to it that is, it's not just traveling there and visiting. And when you are actually open as an antenna to receive all the frequencies and all the magic and all the downloads and activations of that land, you, my friend, are the perfect shining example of what it can do. So honestly, amazing.
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Well, I, I say that I went to Egypt and I died. I came in one version of myself. I remember I was at baggage claim with Vanessa when Hatem came to pick us all up. I was burnt out and exhausted and jet lagged and I looked at Vanessa and I was like, I, I don't know who you are. I know we're going to be traveling together for the next two weeks. I'm sure you're very nice, but I'm burnt out and I don't want to talk to you. I don't know if you know that story.
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I do know that story. I like the better story though is she gets, she gets to Egypt and you in, you got in really late, right? Was there a.
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We got in really late.
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Yeah, everyone gets in late to Egypt, but I think there's something up with your flight. And Megan calls me, our mutual friend, right? And she says, joey, I need some help. Jessica's melting down in the hotel room right now. And I'm like, okay. So I come up there and I'm like, hey, hi.
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We just met.
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I can't do this. I'm overworked. I have too much, I'm on empty. I don't think you understand. I'm on glass. Half empty. No, it's not half empty. It's completely fucking empty. I don't think I can do this. You're telling me I have to get up, up at three in the morning tomorrow. I mean, she is, she is on her pedestal. She's ready to like quit right there. And I just looked at her and I thought, okay, there's two ways this is going to go right now, right? This is your first impression of me. No, I'm thinking there's two ways this is going to happen. Either she's going to completely flip out and not show up, or I'm just going to call her out right now and she's going to show up and life is going to like miraculously do things. And so I literally looked at you and I Said. Do you remember what I said?
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Remind me it.
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I said, I do. Look, you came all the way to Egypt. I get it. You're tired. I'm also really, really, really tired. I'm super depleted right now. But Egypt has this way of filling your cup up. I promise you, your batteries are going to get recharged. You can show up for yourself tomorrow. You don't have to come to the Sphinx. But if you want, just show up. You don't have to be beautiful. You just have to be there and be present. And you were like this. And my God, the next morning. I have to tell you, this is the best. We show up in beautiful Jessica, who is always quaffed and gorgeous and stunning. Everyone shows up at three in the morning. They've just flown into Egypt. We have our sunrise private tour at the Sphinx where we're going to do a meditation, we're going to touch it, we're going to entrain to the heartbeat of the Sphinx. It's this whole thing. And we show up in the lobby to go on the bus and there's Jessica. She's like looking like this and she is like hair, you know, she's like, I'm here. And I'm like, you go, girl. Right on. Okay. And that was it. And boom. That started off everything for you. I remember the light, the light beam, yes.
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That came through my back. Y. I put my hands on the Sphinx. I went up to it. Laura holloway was like 50ft away taking a photo. She didn't even know I was in it. While I am in that photo that she didn't know I was in. I heard voices. I'm like clear audience, but was on blast in Egypt. And they go, welcome back, welcome home.
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But she also caught the light.
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Being through you in that moment that they were speaking to me. And that is such a fucking funny story. I forgot I was, but I mean, but about to quit.
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You're amazing. You didn't do it. I mean, you, you showed up for yourself and look what it did.
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I know.
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I mean, kudos.
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Thank you.
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And so many people show up in that fashion. So you're not the only one. But a lot of them are like, I can't do it. I can't do it. Actually, no one's ever not shown up that morning. But I knew Jess needed to be there. I mean, you, you were busy. It was really hard for you to take time out, to take two weeks out of your schedule. I remember it was like a whole thing. And I think we're planning around Dates that would work for you even for that trip, probably. And I wanted you to have that opportunity. You only get to go this sphinx once on it, on the whole journey. So it was important.
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And you sent me a text message at the end. When I got back to Chicago, I was still living there. You left me this long, beautiful message, really just reflecting what you had witnessed in me. And I was a light warrior on that trip and you were the witness to it. And honestly, Joey, Egypt was, I call it now in hindsight, three years later, the doorway and these last three years has been the integration of those 15 days. Want to ask you because this is about you today. I can't wait to drop in and share your magic and your codes. I mean, I don't people who know you know this about you, but I get to share you today and just how like unicorn you are in the world of magic and portals and frequency and healing and spirituality and pilgrimaging. And I. I want to go back because. And let's just get a little brief background because you were badass real estate agent, broker, hustler, crazy in Seattle, one of the hottest markets. Let's talk about the journey to Tulum. And then I want to know why Egypt for you?
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Okay, well, Egypt came first.
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Okay.
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I mean, Egypt came 2007. It started. So do you want me to start there?
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Let's start there.
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Okay. I was called, you know, when I was a kid the Encyclopedia Britannica. I used to flip through that and see all the pictures of Egypt. And I grew up in a really small farm town, so there was no access to a city or to a museum that you could see, things like that. And so I always had this pull to go and I hung them up on my wall around my desk and I thought it was really cool. But that was kind of the depth of, you know, what you could do with that. And so when I had kids, it was one of the bucket list items. I wanted to take them to go experience Egypt, I thought, and Africa, you know, just go around the whole country. So we took off for three months to travel and we started in Egypt and I hired a private guide. I did what everyone does when they go to Egypt, right? Private guide, private driver, private boat. It was just for us and did the whole thing. But it was the Egyptologist version, the historian version of it. And I was feeling lack of the information coming through. And so as soon as I left, I came home and I started looking for books. And back then, this was, you know, there wasn't a lot of Information on like the new age, you know, the, I guess the mystical side of Egypt. There was just a little bit out there on the Egyptian mystery schools and all of that. So I found what I could and started reading. And I connected with someone who happened to live in Portland, Oregon, and I started studying with her. Her name's Nikki Scully. And that took me to a whole other level. So she taught me how to tap into the multi dimensional space of each temple without having to be there. So I didn't actually have to be in Egypt. I could take my heart space, you know, go into that beautiful space and then visit each of these temples and tap into the frequency of the archetypes of the pantheon as well as the frequency of the temple and get the downloads and get the activations. So I'm not someone who channels isis, I'm not someone who channels Toth, but I tap into those energies and I, I felt immediately called home. And so I started, I went on someone else's tour that claimed to lead these kind of journeys. And she did a beautiful job. It wasn't as in depth as what I do, but it was the start point for me to learn kind of how to do that. And I really am grateful to her. She was a woman from Seattle and I knew there was even more I wanted to do. So that's when I started leading my own journeys. And they've just, I mean, I had, I had like a five year hiatus.
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Did you?
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The pandemic?
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Yep, of course.
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And so you were the first trip back. I hadn't been there in a while and things had changed and shifted, so it was kind of like starting all over at that point. And of course I'm always expanding and curating.
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How many times have you been to Egypt at this point?
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I don't even know.
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You've lost count?
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Yeah. Last year I was there five times.
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Jesus, five times in one year?
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Yeah, yeah, it was every other month and a half. That's not going to happen again.
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Yeah, it's a lot, that's a lot.
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Leading other retreats as well. Um, it was amazing. It was a powerful year. I packed every retreat, so of course it was. And I keep them relatively intimate. So, I mean, that was an amazing year. But I do feel that I can do a couple, one or two trips a year now and, and keep it, you know, to a little more sane environment for me.
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Can we click into this, this Egyptologist route? Right. Which is the more historical tourist route. And then there's the mystery school route, because when we were There I remember even though we had a great Egyptologist who I didn't work with anymore, but there was this sense that each temple from like the guards, like they're literally guarding the mysteries. Like they don't want you to connect. And you have found this way to go into the Egypt that people want when they think of Egypt. And how. Because I almost feel like you've curated this backdoor, like private access, like exclusive way of journeying within these temples that is unlike any retreat pilgrimage that exists.
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Thank you.
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Seriously. And so how did you work to make that happen? Because I feel like that took some serious.
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It was a lot of trips to Egypt and a lot of trial and error, honestly. So let's look at the. The duality of Egypt. Okay, let's first start with that. Egyptologists don't want to learn about the mystical side of Egypt or the pantheon part of it, because that's against their religion, it's against their history, it's against what they've studied their whole life and received degrees in. And so for them to open up to the new tunnels that have been found beneath the pyramid, that's just. That's not possible because that blows their mind and it blows their concept and their theory. Right.
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And identity, probably.
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Exactly. So that's not something that they're going to confront or even challeng chat with you about at all. I mean, my last couple of trips, people have asked the guards at the Great Pyramid, you know, what their feelings were on that, and they were shut down immediately. And so I finally have found the most amazing team that is completely in line with everything that I do. And it's amazing. I'm very lucky. But we always have to deal with the duality of Egypt and that is that it's a Muslim country first and foremost. And also Egyptians themselves do love the pantheon and the ancient Egyptian history. It's the government that doesn't. And so. And I have to be careful what I say here because actually the Ministry of Tourism follows me with a lot of things that I do. So I'll be careful as I speak about this. But it's against the law for anything with Egyptian mysteries to be talked about, as well as any kind of New age concepts. So when we go into the temples, we still have to be. Even when we have privates, obviously we can get away with a little bit more. But not all of the visits are private. And it's a crapshoot.
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You don't always know if you're going to be able to get in guards.
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Which Guards are going to be. Well, no, we pay in advance.
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That's right. That's right.
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But we don't know who the guards are. And there's a lot of finessing that takes place to be able to do what we do. I think the final culminating ceremony is really special and powerful and beautiful and really seals the whole deal. So, thankfully, that we are allowed to. Not allowed. But we do because we have this beautiful private time. Um, but, you know, it, It's. I feel badly. Egypt. The Egyptians shouldn't have a bad rap for us not being able to do, you know, oming and, you know, spiritual signs and mantras and whatever we want to do, or even posing in a way that doesn't look okay to them. It's their. They'll lose their job. My guides will lose their jobs. They'll go to jail. I won't be allowed back in the country. So we have rules that we have to follow when we're there. And it's gotten stricter and stricter and stricter even since you came. Yeah. So, you know, I used to take sound bowls and play inside some of these temples, and I used to. I mean, it was amazing back in 2007. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. It's not like that anymore. Sure, we can do a few things here and there, but, you know, as you know, our meditations and our activations take place outside of the temples. And, you know, we're just careful, we're respectful to the culture, but it's really the. It's the government that's wild.
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And yet you still are able to have curated the most sacred pun intended with a K, with the journeys. And I'm just gonna say right here, right now, we just talked about this. We're gonna co host one.
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I would love it.
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Everybody asks me, like weekly in the dm.
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I don't know why we haven't thought of that.
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Actually, I, I 2027. Okay, maybe the 1111 portal.
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Yes.
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Like, just let's talk about it.
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I better lock that in now before.
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People are like, let me know when you're going next. And I want to go with you, so I'll help you fill it.
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Okay.
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But back to your journey into this work, because you, you're a badass entrepreneur.
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Joey McCune, serial entrepreneur. It's a problem. I know.
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Yes, you are. You have that Leo fire like I do. You're fierce and you never stop. And you're good at making shit happen and building something out of nothing. And you had a really successful real estate business in Seattle and you don't live in Seattle anymore.
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So I still own reside reset group in Seattle and I also own my elite properties in Tulum. I'm selling that one right now and I have a full staff that runs the one in Seattle, so I don't have to really, I'm just the owner. So thankfully I'm not doing the day to day grind which I used to do all the time. The one in Mexico I didn't even want to open but because I have so many guests that come and see me and they all love it so much and they all want to buy houses. I so sold all my neighbor houses pretty much to amazing cool people. So out in the jungle we have this groovy, you know, jungle neighborhood with this great vibe there because I've filled it with my clients that are all in line with the same frequency so it makes it really fun. But yeah, that's, that's been busy. And then of course, I'm sorry, you asked me about sound healing Tulum.
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Okay, you guys, you know that I am all about the rituals, the energy, the practices that keep us in touch with the divine and our power, the things that we can add to our life that really, really remind us who we are. And one of my favorite rituals pretty much every morning, true story, is putting on my Malkari jewelry. Okay, because honestly, these pieces are not just jewelry. They are activated sacred talismans that honestly help me lead with a consciousness as a confident woman in my business and my life. They are seriously activations, you guys. When you put them on, not only are they gorgeous and Versat and they stack and there's so many options to choose from, they are spiritual activations. And that's really because the founder of Malkari is my best friend and stylist, Tali Kogan, who is a visionary woman in the world of fashion who lives by the belief that you can have anything in life that you want as long as you dress for it. And I am here to preach from the mountaintops that that is true. And so when I wear her pieces, I feel freaking unstoppable. Yes, they're edgy and high fashion. They'll take your cutest little outfit or your T shirt and jeans to absolutely new heights. But they're also deeply spiritual. Each necklace, each ring, each bracelet is a code. And like the lion of Malkari roaring through you, it reminds you that you are already the queen of your own business in your life. When you put them on, you're going to feel a difference. And if you're curious, which I know you are, to up your style game and your frequency, check the link in the show notes and use the code JESSICA15 for 15% off your order because it's not often that accessories feel like medicine and lakari is feminine power you can wear. So you and your husband Mitch made your way down to Tulum. Talk to us about how that manifested. Like with the bird falling in the water. Can you share this?
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I think it should start with that. I channeled literally Christ in bed one night and I was told through an amazing consciousness. It was the most unbelievable, undeniable channel. I, I rarely channel anything, but this was clear what it was that I needed to go and build a sound temple. And at that point were you still in Seattle at this point? We're still in Seattle. My daughter was graduated from Colgate University. My son was finishing up at Bucknell and we were empty nesters. My husband had a hugely successful design build firm. I had a huge successful real estate office. There was no reason for us to be moving. We had a lot of investment properties and I mean just life was great. We did all the things we said we were going to do. We traveled and I ignored it. And then the second night it came again. And then the third night I could not sleep and I rolled over and looked at my husband and I said, hey. And we were burned out. We were on the hamster wheel of life. You know, you've been there, right? Just on that wheel, couldn't get off of it. And both of us spiritually connected and you know, living a conscious life and you know, back and forth to Peru all the time and just really doing a lot of shamanic work and not happy in our day to day grind. And so I looked at him and I said, what do you think if we go build the sound temple somewhere? And I was kind of half laughing, but I just needed to get it out of my mouth because this was just, I couldn't sleep. And he rolled over, it was 4 in the morning. And he said, honey, if this is something that you feel that you're being called to do, then I think we need to do it. And that was that. So we managed. I was kind of shocked. He's probably kicking himself now. But he said if we put my company on the, put it up for sale, if it sells, then I guess that's a sign. And I'm like, okay, and who's going to buy a design build firm when he's the, he's the face of it? And we sold it three months later. So then we knew, okay, this is a threshold. We're walking over it right now. Let's go so we started liquidating everything and then we didn't know where we were going to go. And we traveled all over the world and we considered a ton of different.
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Places, so Tulum was even on the radar.
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I didn't even like Tulum. We went to Tulum several times. Every time I was dissatisfied. Didn't like any of the architecture, didn't like the houses, didn't like the town. Wasn't. I was like, this isn't my vibe. This isn't it. Kept looking at Costa Rica, kept looking at just all these other places considered. Thailand, Africa, Ecuador, Peru. Like we were all over the place. And then we rented a house in the jungle and fell in love. Yeah. Outside Tulum. 30 minutes at the house that you've been to. And we said, is this for sale? And they said no. And I said, well, could it be? And so we bought it. And on the land we were told there was a cave. That's all we knew. But you had to like machete to get down to it. And all I was thinking is, I'm going to build a sound temple. So we got, we got busy. We bought this land with the house that was. We renovated the house first and then Mitch built me this beautiful glass, glass encased sound temple in the jungle and matched the house. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to start sound healing and I'm going to be semi retired and that's what we're going to do. Well, that is not what happened.
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Universe had other plans.
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So then Covid hit and I thought you told me to build something and open this. And I just started and I'm starting to get busy. I know no one here. We don't have any friends. We just moved here and now the whole world shut down. And then what happened? Mexico opened up to tourism. Everybody came to Tulum. Everyone came to Tulum. And I realized that I was supposed to just be ready for this, you know, awakening, this dark night of the soul that was happening to the entire planet. And everyone was flooding the gates to Tulum. And I was prepared so you can say that sound healing is the gateway into spirituality because it's a beautiful, you know, you're not taking any drugs, you're not doing any plant medicines. It's just this beautiful frequency work. But that's what it is. We're adjusting frequency and we're working to realign you. And it was just this magical time and, and it was such a beautiful space. Everyone's hanging in these silk hammocks and I have, you know, over 50 Alchemy Bowls and, you know, many planetary gongs. And so the site was taken off on Instagram. And next thing you know, I'm getting influencers. And then we're on Netflix and we're on, you know, the Bachelor and all these things. And I kept saying, well, you, I'll let you come and film here, but you have to be spiritual. You can't be doing this, can't be doing that, and there's no alcohol allowed. And I was like, having all these rules and because I didn't want to dirty the energy of our property with all the Hollywood stuff. And they abided by the rules. And then we just popped off. But in the meantime, um, my husband's mother died of COVID She was elderly and she had Alzheimer's. And it was. Well, we don't know if it was Covid, but we're pretty sure it was. And my husband decided to go down to the cave. And so what's interesting about Tulum is when the meteor hit the earth, creating the ice age and the dinosaurs went extinct, that meteor hit what's called the Chicxulub Crater. It created Chicxulub Crater. It hit on the Yucatan Peninsula. So Tulum's on the Yucatan, right? And you can't visit the site because it's out in the ocean, but it's on the Yucatan, just away from it in the water. And when that meteor hit, it created this vortex of energy all around the Yucatan, which is the Mayan civilizations there. So we have the ancient Mayan cosmovision, plus we have this vortex of energy from this meteorite. So, you know, it's. That's why Tulum is. Has this, you know, amazing vibe. And when that meteor hit, it broke into thousands of pieces all over the the peninsula. And each of those pieces hit, creating sinkholes. And those sinkholes are connected to the underground river system, and those are the cenotes. So we have this. You can tell when you come down the stairs this beautiful big meteorite site. And then you realize you can feel the energy of it as you're coming into it. Some people show up and just start crying. You know, they're feeling the energetics of it. But you start going down into the cave we had before, before you had to whack to get down into it. It was all muddy and dark. And so my husband was down there meditating and this beautiful bird flew by that's called a toe. And toe are the like kind of Dr. Seussy looking birds that live in the Yucatan. They always live in snow taste because that's where the water is. And so he was realizing we had families of them inside the cave. And he ended up being guided to this hole that had water in it.
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You didn't know there was water? We didn't.
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We were told it was a dry Cenote.
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It was just a cave.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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So anyway, I don't want to talk.
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Too much about it. I want to clarify that for them listening.
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It was a dry, muddy, dark cave. In fact, a jaguar had had a baby in there. And so we didn't really want to go in there that often, you know, and we wanted to make sure there was no, you know, animals we were disturbing or anything. And so Mitch comes up and he said, oh my God, I'm going to start digging. Like I think this is all I have to do is just open it. We are connected to the underground river system. So he. And the world was still shut down at this point. This is before it opened back up to tourism. So he and eight men hand dug because we live off grid, 100% solar. You can't like we don't have electricity other than from the sun. So you can't use huge tools. You can't get a bulldozer down there or anything. So they hand dug what is now this beautiful water temple that we call Cenote Sagrado. And you have to have the inflow and the outflow for it to be clear. So we have the full river system. It's just. We just opened it and then he. Obviously we decorated it.
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I mean that's an understatement. Yeah. Like I just want to frame for everybody, like I'm going to leave a link in the show notes to your Instagram and your website where people can go look at what Cenotes Salgado looks like now and what it is because it's not just like a large, like expanded upon pool of water. It is a full on water cave. Like you can swim in it. It's got multiple different corners and nooks and it's underneath, underneath this like, I mean it's billions of however, how many years?
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66 million years.
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66 million years old. It's. It's the womb of the earth. It's ancient. The water coats are there and you have elevated the space. And I know you and Mitch, I mean you're both of you, I want to shout out to your husband are like geniuses in design.
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Thank you.
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And the intention behind it, it's a ceremony space. Now you host all sorts of events, Cacao sound. You have called in like musicians. Like when you go to your cenote for a quote unquote sound bath. It ain't your average sound bath.
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And so you're, thank you for saying that. It's, it's been a real labor.
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I know it's one of your, it's so clear and your staff loves you and they're so like people talk about it globally. What you've created is a global destination, you know that. But if you can explain just for anyone that's interested, like quickly because we want to get through a bunch of things. But the, no, that's what you're here to do is talk. I just, I could talk to you for hours. I just want to get, I have so many questions for you. The approach you have to sound and you've curated all of these beautiful artists and singers and indigenous instruments. Like how did your gongs and crystal bowls go from that to what it is now?
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B
It's honestly a miracle. I, I, I feel, I, oh my God, I can feel my frequency shifting right now talking about it. It's actually emotional for me because it was just a calling. I followed it and the universe kept opening doors. And this is a great lesson in trusting the universe. Like some people say they're going to move internationally and they never do. Some people say they want to get out of the rat race and off the hamster wheel of hell and they never do. Right. So this is a great inspirational story for anyone who you can do it, even if it doesn't seem like makes any sense. And also trust that the universe is so much more gracious and going to give you so much more than what you envision. I envisioned a sound temple with my bowls and me semi retired. Did I ever imagine in my life that I would own this gorgeous cenote water temple and now have people from all over the world visiting and experiencing a multi instrumental, you know, sound medicine that we're offering to people. No. And I just, you know, I had to throw myself into the community of Tulum and meet people because we didn't know anyone when we moved there. And I just started meeting the right people and randomly I met a girl who worked for Asencia Hotel and her boyfriend, partner of many years is Kit Cohen.
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Julia.
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Julia and Kit. Yep. They needed a place, they, they needed jobs. And so we decided that we, they first came to me and said let's put on concerts for the hotels around here. And I was like, it's not really what I think I do here, but let's just see of what. What you're all about, you know. So we did a little. They started practicing and stuff and the evolution of those two people from the moment that I met them to who they are today and all the musicians that work for us have. I want to cry. They're completely different humans. These, these people are now full on medicine musicians and are so tapped in. In high frequency and the work that they do and from their heart is. It's so beautiful. And that's not who showed up at my doorstep. Okay. So it's. This land was coded. What they're doing is coded. I still, I feel like I'm a band owner, which is funny because Kit's. Kit's now the head of all of that.
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Can I say that Kit reminds me of like a Mayan. Alan Cummings.
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B
Yeah, totally.
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Like he's like the maitre d of.
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Like Musical Frequencies and he's incredibly talented as well. He plays all instruments. So you know, we, we've just started pulling people from the community that we. We need to see if they weave in together. Right. Because you can't just bring around a musician and, and so many people send us resumes. They want to work there, but we have a full of staff. We have about 30 people that work there and they, you know, it varies on. You know, we curate for every specific group that comes in. So we might have two this day, three this day, five this day.
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You know, I've been to quite a few different types of. I've been to like a lot. Like you don't do too many public events.
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B
Yeah. Oh yeah. You came to the concert.
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I came to the concert.
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Yeah.
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You and you create ceremony for you, me and Megan and. And then 20 women at my retreat. I've tasted it and just huge endorsement for. What you see is not what you get. You can look at it online. It's a completely different experience to, to go there and that you've accumulated a 30 person staff. Kit's your musical director, like she. Yulia's your event director. I mean you've built this empire there that is so rooted in integrity and devotion to the land.
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Oh, thank you. That's been a really big part for us. And what we feel is we were gifted this totally. So as stewards to this beautiful land, I mean yes, we own it, but we're also gifted the opportunity to visualize this, curate it, create it. And it's a legacy for us. So we feel like someday when that is complete for us, we hope and we really, really, really Want it to continue on as a legacy project so that no matter what, it has to be in service to humanity, because you're just not gifted. A cenote with sacred waters like this and the guardians of the cave and the land and the nature, and being one in this womb, feeling that we. That we're so fortunate to have on our land, it needs to continue on in service somehow. You know, even if it's not sound healing, it needs to be something in service to people.
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100 and that's everything that you will touch, that you touch and you do. So you have the cenote. You. We've talked about Egypt. Everyone go to sacred journeys and look at all the things that Joey is doing, because you're constantly doing. Your mission here is to really, I think, guide lightworkers into portals so that they can remember who they are. For whatever it's worth, that just came through.
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B
It's exactly what I write. So thank you. You channeled the exact thing that I put on everything.
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A
Emma, we're going to talk about your book in a second, but before we get into the things I know you're planning on doing, you know, I throw out the word portals all the time. And I know you talk about it, and it's like a spiritual term that is commonplace for most people, but not everybody. And so, like, what, in your viewpoint, Joey, is a portal? Like, how do we.
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B
What.
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Where we find it? Can we create it? How do we know we're. When we're.
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B
I think it's an energetic frequency that we tap into, and I think they're everywhere. Right. I mean, I'm fortunate enough that we bought land, that we met the frequency of a portal that needed to be open there, which is the cave. So that's one example of it. When you travel and you go to sacred sites, those sacred sites are typically portals, Right. Because you're tapping in interdimensionally or multidimensionally to a certain space within it. We go to Avalon. What are we tapping into? The priestess codes. We go to Mount Shasta. What are we tapping into? The Lemurian codes. We go to Egypt. What are we tapping into? We're tapping into each of the temple codes and the pantheon and types of. Yes. And the galactic codes. And also in Shasta. And also all over. Right. I mean, like, there's just so much that you're tapping into. So there's astral gates, there's. There's portals. I mean, they're all different. Right. But I lead portals of light through the Yucatan. What is that to me, it's a great way to explain this. I go to my sacred places, that, that and I lead people to all of the spots that I go to regenerate, rebalance, reconnect. So those are my portals. So portal can mean so many different things. Right. So I'm leading people around and, you know, stitching together different places on that particular journey. Those are all portals to me. And so we're connecting into that sacred space of each of each spot.
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A
So speaking of sacred spaces, you're doing something that I would call like next year, Cenote, maybe the most ambitious thing you've done to date is this 40 day pilgrimage. Yes. Called Sacred Atlas.
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B
Sacred Atlas.
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This.
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B
Where is this?
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When is this? Why is this?
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It's in curation right now.
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Okay.
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I'm partnering with my very, very good friend Marissa for this, who's a phenomenal breath work facilitator. Yes, she's amazing. She's one of my very best friends and we lead amazing retreats together. She brings the breath work facilitation as well as emotional release to all of our retreats. I'm not sure we're going to be tapping into that for Sacred Atlas, but that's what we do in Egypt. And on our Yucatan retreat that we lead, she sometimes collates with me. So Sacred Atlas was born from an idea, started with Marissa actually, and grew through both of us talking. I mean, I had been talking about doing a much larger expanded one and then we just together grew it into this entire odyssey is really what it is. So we start in Peru and we end in nepal and it's 40 days of sacred sites across the world. It's going to be a high level, um, it's not a cheap ticket item obviously, because there's no way to do it affordably. This is for someone who is a visionary or someone who just can take 40 days off and can afford to do that through time and financially we're going to try to keep it as affordable as possible. Obviously I'm not here to make this unaffordable to the public, but it's a big journey. We're looking into all different opportunities, but the each site that we're going to is going to be one of the more. I mean, we can't possibly hit the entire world in 40 days. You know, I think there's going to be the first one and then we're probably going to have two or three others for, you know, to marry in all of the sites. But we think we're hitting the major ones with this first one. And we're thinking end of 2026, we haven't. We're looking at weather because we need to look at weather for Peru, weather for Nepal, for the beginning and the end. Right now we only have two more places to travel to, to lock in, because, you know, we have to go to these places and really get to know the healers and the sites before we can lead people to. We have a couple left on this amazing six country.
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Wow.
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Yeah. Tour. So we're excited.
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A
I will just vouch for you right now, like, you know how to curate. You know how to find the best of the best. You have, like, amazing style and taste on top of being so coded. I just want to say that. And these portals, I mean, they're real and we live in our own, to some degree, myopic lives and lose sight of, like, access, you know, And I. I would just add to the portal conversation, like, we just came through a portal with the eclipse, right? Like, there's universal portals, right? There's physical portals, there's energetic portals. There's portals you can create within community. And I think it's really about awareness and intention and consciousness, which is woven into everything that you do. And so if someone is listening, like, okay, because they're gonna go check out. Cause you've got Yucatan coming up soon.
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B
Tomorrow.
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Tomorrow. You came in for, like, not even 24 hours to be on this podcast because. Got to go. Oh, it's a Portal of light retreat in the Yucatan.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I'm literally going leading Yucatan Portals of Light starting tomorrow for 10 days. And then I. I'm only home 24 hours, and I leave to do October Egypt retreat and then five days in between, then the November Egypt retreat back, back. Because, you know, it saves me from flying twice. So one is all women on this, and the other one is open, and we're just doing the other one's on the 1111 or not 1111. The. Yeah, the 1111 portal.
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Yeah.
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November.
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But 2027 is 1111 11.
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Yeah, I know.
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A
That's what I wanted.
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I know. Yes, it's gonna be good. Put it out there. Okay. Okay.
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A
We'll manifest it.
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Yes.
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A
I was gonna say, you know, it's in actually before I asked my question. Are you tired? Like, how are you taking care of yourself? Are you happy?
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B
I'm in all these energetic frequencies at the time. You're kidding me.
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A
You're great.
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Build it. Go. Yeah. Some people are always say, how do you do it? Are you actually doing the work? And I'M like, oh, I'm doing the work, or I couldn't be doing this.
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Totally.
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I mean, I'm filled up when I'm doing this. For me, I think I'm made to host, to curate, to travel. These are all my favorite things. And yeah, it's depleting and tiring and you're working with a lot of energies with different personalities and everything. But for me, it's fun. And to be in sacred sites all the time, there's nothing better. I'm going to anti age. Okay. I'm going to keep doing this. I look 25 when I'm 70 or something. Right. I'm just going to keep trying that.
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A
You're gorgeous. I can vouch for that. Let me actually going back to our time in Egypt together when I had my meltdown, you actually said two things. And I'm really remembering this conversation very vividly. You said two things. You're like, well, you can sign up for the ride, Jessica. And it just, you know and know that it's going to be transformational or you go home. You actually told me that. You were like, you don't have to be here. You have agency.
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B
You signed up.
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A
You can go home if you don't really want to be here.
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B
And you were like, I know what. And I felt really badly, but I knew she needed the nudge, right? You needed the nudge. That's all.
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A
It was so funny. You did you. I needed the nudge. I needed it from you. I needed in that space. But what is actually amazing about you recounting that story is I talk about my burnout story a lot. And you saw me at the pinnacle of it. Like, when I got on that plane from Chicago to wherever I connected into Cairo, I was bag of bones. I was like, I don't even care. I'm going. Like, I was so cashed and all that to say back to my question to you. It's a kind of a universal point I want to make. That trip is not an easy trip. You are up early. You are, you know, eating like all sorts of food. You're in different beds a lot. You're, you know, it's a pilgrimage, it's not a vacation.
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B
Yeah, that's important to note for sure.
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Yes. And. And you're going into these intense, energetic vortexes and portals and of living cosmic DNA and stone inside of these temples. By the end of that 15 days, I had never met, felt more alive. I mean, granted, I had like DNA activations and light activations and Palladians speak To me. But like there is something about creating time for yourself to do this work. Because it's work. It's the light work, right? And while your body might be tired, you're more than flesh and bone. We're light beings. We're energy bodies. And I was, yes, tired. I had not enough sleep up by the end, but I didn't feel tired. I was so alive. I was so awake. I was so open. I was so connected to my heart.
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B
You're so coded.
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Coded.
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I watched. I love, I love to lead Egypt. It's my favorite thing to do because I see people show up, they're tired. Everybody's tired when they get there. It's horrible to get in. And by the end, I love to say now I say take a picture of yourself right now. A selfie, day one. And then let's take a selfie after the pyramid, after our ceremony there, you're a different person because you are. The glow up is real.
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A
Yes.
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And, but let's. I feel like I need to say something here though, because on my two trips ago, I don't call this retreat and I don't call it a vacation because this is truly an initiatory pilgrimage. A lot of this depends on where your container is before you come and where your frequency is. Right? Like, we can never promise someone that you're going to have a Jessica Zweig experience, right?
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Truly.
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So don't, don't ever compare because, you know, I'm going to have someone popping off at this banks. I'm going to have someone popping off at ISIS temple. I call it the pop off. When they're having this, like, higher, you know, this amazing conscious connection. And you know, clearly they're being encoded and they're having something happen. Everyone's going to integrate differently. Some people are going to integrate for six months afterwards. Some people are going to take three years afterwards. Some people are going to take, you know, they. I get phone calls all the time from 10 years ago saying, I get it. Oh my God, I get it now. This is, that's why I think my book is going to be so important for people because it is going to help with all of that. But the change in your face, in your skin, in your DNA on a cellular level, and the encoding, if you get it, if you're open to receiving what can happen on this journey, it's incredible. And so 99.9% of the people that come, we don't promise that you're going to get rich. We don't promise you're Going to find the love of your life. We don't promise that abundance will flow naturally every single day. But what we, what I can say is there's before Egypt and there's after. It's impossible to stay the same. Right? That's like, I can't say that enough. That's like my tagline. Because the natural, and the natural side effects of experiencing a journey like this is things will start aligning for you, things will start flowing for you. Abundance starts happening. You start feeling into your birthright of all of the things, when you have that connection, your higher self, your soul is just screaming for. Everything's going to fall into place. So, you know, you're a great example because, I mean, look at you. We should show a picture.
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A
Oh yeah.
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B
Of you. Of you before Egypt and now maybe.
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A
I'll share it on my stories because before and after this, when this podcast.
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B
Comes out all the time, you know, you're a beautiful example of that. My God, maybe I would look like I was 95 years old if I didn't go to Egypt all the time. I don't know. But I mean, yeah, you know, honestly, there is an upgrade. Yes, it's an upgrade. Every time you die, you shed, you're blind. If you're tapping in. I mean, anyone can go to Egypt and you're walking on the sands and you're in these beautiful temples, but if you're not open to understanding what they're actually doing in each of these spaces, I mean, the Egyptian mysteries are encoded on the walls of the unis pyramid. It's the story. There's, there's classrooms that we go to where we can see different, you know, writings and teachings so you start to understand and make that connection. And I mean, even since you came several years ago now I am three years ago.
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A
Three years ago almost exactly.
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B
I mean, every time I go, which was five times last year, I'm learning more, I'm gaining more. There's, I want to share. So it's, you know, it's a, just a huge encodement that happens.
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A
Well, speaking of encodement, people listening are going to be like, okay, I don't know if I can go to Egypt this year or 40 day sacred atlas thing may be too much for me. You have written a book that allows you to connect to the frequencies of these temples in Egypt right there in your own home, as I understand it. So share with us what this book is, how it came through, what you want people to take away from it and where people can get it.
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B
There isn't much out there about the Egyptian mysteries. It really isn't. Danielle Rama Hoffman has done a really good job with one of her books. I took a lot of her teachings into my retreats, but I wanted to have more than other people's information with me. And so through all of the trips to Egypt, which I don't know, over 20, over maybe 30, I don't even know, and just time spent there in these sacred places, and all the questions that have been asked to me by all my guests each time, which I always consider to be my children, my grandchildren, my great grandchildren. Because someone like Jessica's Way comes and then you have this platform and you're talking about it. So I ignite the light, or I help ignite the light for one person. That person then goes out and ignites the light in their family and their workplace, on their platforms everywhere. That is an extension of what took place in Egypt. And that's. That is like the reason why I do this. Forget money, forget any of the other work. That is my dharma and the reason why I do this. In fact, when you came with me, I still wasn't making money on the trips. And I didn't have a website or an Instagram. I was just doing this and filling my trips randomly and having fun. I obviously had to take it to the next level after some time, but.
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A
Which is why I thanked you so truly and sincerely from my heart. Go on.
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B
Yes. So I felt a book is needed out there for the world and I really wanted it to be deeply encoded. So this book I just finished, I'm now going to start pitching it to publishers. I have some leads and some interest, but, you know, nothing's been done yet. I'll probably have it on my website though, soon, before I take it to the next level. I don't know what I'm doing yet, but I'm there. Anyone who comes on my retreat receives it. And it's Codex of Light Initiatory Pilgrimage through Egypt. Every chapter is encoded with a codex and has a sigil on it. So all the pages are like frequency coming in at you. You can put your hand over the sigil, you can take in the information, but naturally it will do that as you're reading it. I tried to make a two part book. The first part is all about like, where does the Garden of Eden fit in? Where does Kemet fit in? What are. What is the pantheon? What is an archetype? What are the frequencies? How does that tie in? Where does Jesus tie in? In Christ consciousness So I'm tapping into all the questions, Pleiadians, the cosmic part of it. All those questions are being answered and I've tried to map out so that you have a better understanding by the time you get to part two, which is the temples, the frequencies, Joey, all of that. Yeah, at the very end. Then I describe through a glossary and through the codex, what each of the sigils are and why I've created them, what the frequencies are. And then this is the good part because, you know, we do the meditations. So for anyone who comes as you know, we do a meditation after the temples and we're tapping into that multi dimensional space and we're, we're doing the activations, you know, through the Mystery School teachings. And I have downloaded my own meditations and I just did it from my heart, professionally recorded them. And so now you can actually go to the channel, you get a QR code, you can scan it at the end of the chapter and you can revisit. If you come with me to Egypt, you can obviously hear it live. And then you can go back and re. Listen and revisit each of these meditations. But also, and I put a frequency map with it, so all the music and frequency is purposeful and highly curated to take you into that space and travel. It's awesome.
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A
I could go to Gendera every day, of course.
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B
And I kept them. Like a couple of them are 15, 20 minutes, but most of them are like 10, 12 minutes. They're not like huge, you know, like overpowering meditations, but it helps you like relax in and tap in and visit into those energies and then just allow it to go from there. And I added a couple because some were missing, I felt. And so then anyone who wants to travel there, that can't afford to go right can actually read this book and understand the Egyptian mysteries in a much easier way. That's palpable. You know, you can, you can swallow this information because it's confusing and there's a lot of it out there and being coded by it and then tap in through the meditations. So, yeah, I'm excited.
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A
I'm about to fall off my chair. I'm like seeing sacred geometry around your field as you speak about this book. Like I said, I'm like seeing things.
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B
I'll send it to you. I'll give you. I was gonna say, can you send to you right now, Please have it.
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A
Well, I know that when it's ready, my audience is ready for it. And I just. You are one of a Kind, like I said. And the work that you do, it's so, you know, service driven, but it's. You really are the definition of a spiritual hustler.
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B
Thank you.
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A
You really are. You have built the badass real estate business. You could make all the kind of money in all the kind of ways that you want. You have become in deep devotion to Mother Earth, the human experience, the cosmic collective consciousness. Like, you really have devoted your work and time on this planet to this. And it is what I call hustling for meaning over money. And you are building a business, and it's an asset with sacred journeys, and it's worth every damn penny for those, as Joy was talking about. Like, it's an investment. It's expensive. It's. You do it right, but it's an investment in you. I. I mean, I don't even remember how much money I spent on that retreat. And it. I don't think about it, because it's not about that. It was about the experience and what it does to you on a soul level, on a cellular level, for the rest of your life. And you can't put a price tag on that. So I just want to say that I just have a few final questions for you. I mean, I could. I could go in. We covered so much. We really did. You really. You've just walked a joy, and you're only just beginning, I feel, so. Thank you.
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B
Thank you.
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A
Speaking of books, do you have a favorite business book and a favorite spiritual book? Gosh, a little spiritual hustler book stack.
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B
I mean, I love light work. I have to tell you, I do love it. Yes. I gave it to my daughter. I gave it to my sister. Yes. I think it's a great book. I love it so much. I've said that I hardly read these days because I don't have time.
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A
Why would you have time?
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B
I mean, it's been crazy.
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A
You read mine?
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B
Yeah, absolutely. I read yours. Of course I did. I'm honored to read it.
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A
It was.
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B
It's beautiful work. Thank you. I would say that's probably my top one I have. I've also read Gertrude Lyon's book recently, but it's not about business.
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A
Yeah, but rewrite the mother code.
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B
But it's still.
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A
Really. That's a code.
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B
Deeply touching. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. I heard you had a beautiful time of that retreat. Okay. I'm interested to know the answer to this. So there's angels, deities, archetypes, goddesses, archangels, master guides. Do you have one or two, even maybe one that you particularly work with.
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B
Feel the closest to 100 Saint Germain.
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A
Really? Oh my God, yes.
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B
Yeah, we went to Mount Shasta together, of course. Yeah. Saint Germaine has been with me since I was a child and I understood it more as I became an adult. And now like the color purple and I'm a. I'm a tender of the sacred flames. So when I. When I hold space and do a sound journey in my sound temple, I call in the sacred flames and St. Germain is immediately there. The purple flame of transmutation. Yes, I know, I know. But he would be my major one.
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A
That I work with.
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B
Yeah, all the time.
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A
And the sacred flame Saint Germain is like pure healing. What's his.
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B
It's transmutation.
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A
Transmutation, yeah.
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B
So basically it just swirls through you and it goes through all of your DNA on the cellular level and all of your energetic fields and helps transmute it when no longer serves. Beautiful.
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A
Well, I already know the answer. I don't even know why I asked this question anymore. It's like it's a yes or no question. Depends on the guest. Do you believe in aliens?
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B
And I already know the answer to that 100% yes.
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A
Do you know if you are one, like where you're from?
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B
I think I'm from Venus.
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A
Oh, yes, you are.
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B
Yeah, I'm from Venus. And that's where I. I have my past relationships. I remember it's where I have an energetic imprint and have tapped into that and channeled a little bit of it. So that's what I remember. But I do think I had some time with Pleiadians and probably Arcturians as well.
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A
That tracks. You're going all the right places all the time to connect with all of those friends of ours. Final question, Joey. What does it mean to you to be a co creator of the New Earth Rising?
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B
Oh, such a big question. That's a whole podcast. Just means being in service to humanity in a really beautiful way without any strings attached. And the New Earth is here right now. I was just. I meant it all the time. I feel like I live in it. This is like a really emotional subject for me, actually. I just had a massive, massive experience where I was literally. The New Earth was open to me for about five days and I couldn't get out of it. It was. I didn't want to, but it's here now and it's very accessible. And I think a lot of even myself thought for a while that, you know, we're shifting into 5D and that it's another place that you go to, but it's not another place that you go to to. It's here and it's now, and it's open and accessible to all of us. So it's just a matter of your frequency being right and being able to engage with that frequency and merge with it.
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A
I love that answer. Such a big question, such a beautiful answer and so accurate. Thank you for sharing, like, speaking that in the form, people needed to hear that. I know they did. Joey McCune, my sister, thank you for flying in and blessing me and my audience with your coats and for the work that you do and keep spiritually hustling because the world needs you. Thank you.
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B
I will.
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A
I'll see you. We're gonna see each other before the next trip to Egypt. But we're going to Egypt.
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B
I know. Absolutely. Thanks, Jess. Thank you.