San Pedro Plant Medicine & How to Think with Your Heart with Luke Featherman

Summary

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The Spiritual Hustler – "San Pedro Plant Medicine & How to Think with Your Heart"

Host: Jessica Zweig
Guest: Luke Featherman
Date: October 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Spiritual Hustler dives deep into the world of plant medicine—specifically San Pedro (Wachuma)—and explores the journey from intellectual living to heart-centered existence. Host Jessica Zweig speaks with guest Luke Featherman, a devoted medicine carrier, men’s work facilitator, and founder of Brother Medicine. Together, they discuss the power of sacred ceremony, the need for integrity in plant medicine spaces, the metaphorical and literal meaning of "thinking with your heart," and the unique healing potential of Wachuma. The episode also features candid conversations about trauma, grief, sacred masculinity, and how individuals can find balance and belonging through gentle devotion rather than ego-driven hustle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Redefining the Hustle & Sacred Invitation to Plant Medicine

• Jessica’s Opening & Disclaimer:

  • Jessica reframes “hustle” as a vibration of love, meaning, and service, not merely survival or scarcity ([00:34]).
  • She emphasizes that plant medicine is not “the path,” but one possible modality for those called to it. Sharing openly about it is an invitation—not a glorification—especially given the trendiness and misuse of psychedelics in western culture.
  • Quote: “If you are not sovereign and clear... it’s actually really dangerous.” – Jessica ([02:10])

• Introduction to Luke’s Work:

  • Luke is presented as someone in deep devotional service to love and humanity, upholding integrity in medicine work ([06:10]).

2. Luke’s Spiritual Evolution: Trauma, Blindness, and Heart Opening

• Origin Story & Challenges:

  • At age six, Luke survived being hit by a truck; the trauma resurfaced later as a degenerative eye condition that eventually led to temporary blindness in his twenties ([13:27]).
  • A miraculous surgery restored his sight—a turning point that forced deep introspection and shaped Luke’s quest to understand the root of life, love, and his own essence ([17:43]).

• Profound Grief as Initiation:

  • Luke shares the devastating experience of losing his daughter Goldie, born without the top of her skull and survived only 40 minutes. This catalyzed his understanding of grief as a sacred path and a doorway to love.
  • Quote: “All of this is really defense mechanisms for avoiding our grief.” – Luke ([19:34])
  • He describes how grief work became the foundation of his men’s work and heart-based teaching.

3. Plant Medicine As Heart Technology: San Pedro/Wachuma Explored

• Discovering San Pedro:

  • Luke’s introduction to plant medicine comes through intuitive, synchronistic guidance. He describes his calling to San Pedro (Wachuma), which he finally encountered during COVID lockdown ([25:05]).
  • The first ceremony gave him the lived answer to his question: “How do I keep my heart open no matter what?” ([25:40])

• Wachuma’s Lineage & Symbolism:

  • The name "San Pedro" links to conquistadors’ spiritual encounters; "Wachuma" means both “the great mystery” and “to cut off your head”—a metaphor for moving awareness from the head to the heart ([29:00]).
  • Quote: “To cut off your head… you put it in the right place beneath the heart.” – Luke ([31:00])
  • Luke shares indigenous teachings on medicine as anything restoring balance, with Wachuma as a gentle but powerful catalyst for realignment.

4. Ceremony, Zero Point, & Somatic Healing

• Jessica’s Testimonial:

  • Jessica describes arriving to ceremony closed-hearted and grieving, but moving through cathartic tears and recognition of how grief signals love ([38:23]).
  • Quote: “The reason why I was angry and sad and in grief was because of how much I love my friend.” – Jessica ([39:16])

• Zero Point Teaching:

  • Luke explains the practice and symbolism of “zero point”—the notion of complete surrender, returning to a state of nothingness, and beginning anew ([40:14]).
  • Vision quests, fasting, and prayer tie into this principle, allowing participants to recalibrate from a pure source.
  • Quote: “You give it all back to life and make a gesture to life that I trust you.” – Luke ([41:36])
  • Mathematically, zero is the foundation for all creation (flower of life symbolism) ([47:35]).

5. Plant Medicine Discernment & Integrity

• On Ceremony Safety and Finding the Right Guide:
  • Both Jessica and Luke affirm that discernment, energetic hygiene, and self-responsibility are crucial ([56:13]).
  • Luke advises listeners to “clean yourself and stay clean... you become the crystal, you become the light” ([57:19]).
  • Red Flags: Overuse of the title “shaman,” ego-driven facilitators, lack of humility. “The people that are walking in integrity... are doing their shadow work and willing to go to the bottom.” – Luke ([60:39])
  • Quote: “We create spaces for people to have their sovereignty ... we're just cleaners, we're just sweeping. You're doing the healing, I'm doing the sweeping.” – Luke ([63:07])

6. Sacred Masculinity & Feminine/Masculine Harmony

• Gentle Masculinity and Men’s Work:
  • Luke unpacks the matriarchy/patriarchy cycle, the value of the “midlife chrysalis,” and the need for gentleness in men’s healing processes ([65:42]).
  • Quote: “If I could say one thing to women and to men, it would be the same thing: Be gentle with yourself.” – Luke ([71:14])
  • Jessica aligns her mission with the reclamation of both sacred masculine and feminine, emphasizing mutual flourishing.

7. Playful Questions: Star Lineages & Co-Creating the New Earth

• Aliens & Starseed Wisdom:
  • Luke confirms his belief in aliens and shares recent synchronistic connections to the Mintakan lineage from Orion’s belt—a star race associated with empathy and crystalline water ([71:42]).
• Co-Creating the New Earth:
  • For Luke, co-creation begins with sovereign, loving friendship, and recognizing that we are the creation itself, not just the creators ([73:21]).
  • Quote: “We are being created right now. And I am being created by you.” – Luke ([75:31])

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “All of this is really defense mechanisms for avoiding our grief.”
  – Luke Featherman ([19:34])
• “To cut off your head… you put it in the right place beneath the heart.”
  – Luke Featherman ([31:00])
• “We create spaces for people to have their sovereignty ... we're just cleaners, we're just sweeping. You're doing the healing, I'm doing the sweeping.”
  – Luke Featherman ([63:07])
• “Be gentle with yourself. Be gentle with yourself. Be gentle with yourself.”
  – Luke Featherman ([71:14])
• “We are being created right now. And I am being created by you.”
  – Luke Featherman ([75:31])

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• [01:05] Jessica’s introduction & plant medicine disclaimer
• [13:27] Luke’s trauma, blindness and spiritual pivot
• [18:25] Grief work and the loss of his daughter
• [25:05] Discovery and initiation with San Pedro/Wachuma
• [29:00] The meaning, history, and medicine of Wachuma
• [39:58] Teaching on “zero point” and surrender
• [48:33] Jessica’s summary of Wachuma ceremony experience
• [56:13] Navigating plant medicine with discernment
• [65:42] Reclaiming masculine gentleness and men’s initiation
• [71:42] Star family, Mintaka, and friendship as the ground of new Earth co-creation

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Closing Reflections

This episode offers rare vulnerability and spiritual clarity on plant medicine, trauma, and healing the splits between mind, heart, and body. Both Jessica and Luke urge listeners to approach medicine work—and all of life—from a place of integrity, gentleness, and sovereign responsibility, embodying both the sacred feminine and masculine in all that we create.

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Transcript

[Jessica Zweig]

Welcome to the Spiritual Hustler podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Zweig, multi seven figure serial entrepreneur, best selling author and branding and business coach. And this is a show where we are redefining the word hustle. Reclaiming our true feminine nature of magnetism and putting down the self judgments and shame around loving to work and making a lot of money at it. On this show, you're going to learn how to stop hustling and start spiritually hustling. By pressing play, you are now part.

[Jessica Zweig (Ad Read)]

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[Jessica Zweig]

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Well, hello my beautiful spiritual Hustlers and welcome back to the podcast. I am your host, Jess, and I am so grateful you have landed here, especially here on today's podcast, because today I have one of the most sacred, special human beings I have met in a long, long, long time. And I want to share with you how this whole thing manifested. But more than anything, why I've decided to bring this beautiful human onto my podcast and share his medicine with all of you. Now, I have definitely been very open about the fact that I work with plant medicine. It is a big part, I wouldn't say a big part, but it's a part of my healing journey and my spiritual work. And I've been working with all sorts of medicines for a while and you know, I've been very adverse and I, I talk about this actually on the conversation today with my guest about sharing about plant medicine so openly because it has become really trendy and it's become really glorified and overused and misused. And I feel it is such a de, deeply personal choice. And if you are not sovereign and clear and put the right people around you to hold you in these experiences in the right environments, it's actually really dangerous. And I've had my own unfortunate, not so great experiences working with plant medicine at a time when I wasn't as sovereign, when I wasn't as conscious, and they were pretty disruptive. And so I want to really start with this disclaimer that in no way, shape or form am I promoting, you know, this path as the path, but really opening up an invitation into what it actually looks like when sacred spaces such as plant medicine ceremonies are held with integrity and with reverence and with love and with protection and with. And with light. And I was so moved back in May when I met my friend Luke Featherman at a San Pedro, also known as Wachuma, ceremony, that I knew I had to get him onto my podcast. It was so clear that he was walking a path that is not at all about the glory or about the trendiness, but of the deep devotion to love and humanity and healing on this planet. If there is ever a signature frequency of integrity that you are looking for, come back to this episode. This is really what it looks like to witness somebody who is getting out of their own ego, out of their own way, to simply be of service to the collective. And that is what these plants, I believe, are really coming back into the collective consciousness for, so that we can remember our oneness, we can remember our innate wholeness, that we can really heal generations of trauma and ancestral lineage that didn't have access to these plants, or at least not in the same mainstream way that we all do today. And so I just wanted to start by saying this because I have been, you know, a little shy around sharing. I mean, yes, I mention it and I share it, and it's, you know, not something that I wrote about it in my book, the Light Work.

It's not something that I hide, but.

It'S not something that I talk about at length because I'm not an expert. But my guest today is somebody who has been in deep devotion to this medicine for a long time and is now the person that I wanted to bring in to teach all of you. Now, like I mentioned, I've done all the things, and San Pedro, also known as Wachuma, has sort of been on the periphery of my consciousness for years. Like, it was something that I had heard about back in Costa Rica. I don't even remember how long, like seven, eight, nine years ago. And I wanted to work with it. It was such a strong, clear yes, but I just wasn't finding the opportunities. And then, lo and behold, here in this sweet little magical corner of Nashville that I roll in, all these beautiful lightworkers. I got invited into a ceremony with Luke this last May, and we're going to talk all around what this medicine is about, what that journey and ceremony was like, what we are really here to remember when it comes to this human experience, to love what we as women need to know about the sacred masculine My guest today, Luke Featherman, does beautiful work, men's work, that is all found on his website, brothermedicine.com Luke believes that the substance of all matter is love and that it is expressed through devotion and gentleness. Yes, looking at you guys, gentleness. And for him, everything is alive and therefore everything is sacred. And in a world that we all know that is often overwhelmed by survival demands and other people's expectations, Luke is here to remind us that we can learn the skills to live, awake to our essence and alive in our own creativity. Luke today serves visionary leaders, entrepreneurs, seekers, women mentors across the world who are ready to really remember their sacred place in this beautiful tapestry of life. And his mission is to awaken the heart of humanity. It's so simple. Through song, through story, through initiation, through creative practice. I know that after you listen to this podcast, you're going to want to get involved in his work. You're probably going to want to look for a ceremony that he's hosting. If anything, you're going to want to go deeper into your own understanding of Wachuma San Pedro. And I'm so thrilled to share that Luke has actually created, alongside some of his sacred co creators, a microdose of San Pedro or Wachuma.

[Luke Featherman]

It's.

[Jessica Zweig]

He'll explain the distinction in the names, but I just know after listening to to this, you're going to be like, wait, I've heard of microdosing psilocybin. I've, I've heard of all the different things, but San Pedro is maybe going to be new to you and I want to invite you to try his brand. It's a nootropic. It's a microdose of San Pedro that can be [e-mail] hums h u m Z and in transparency, I have been working with hums ever since my journey with Luke in May. I do take microdose psilocybin with my dear friend Christy Nault's brand, Microflow. But I pair them. It's my little secret upgrade that helps me rewire my subconscious mind and taps me into the frequency of my heart of love, of pure presence, of connection, of creativity. I'm such a proponent of working with the micro doses of these incredibly sacred plants. And I'm so grateful to Luke, my brother, who has done the deep, powerful work of creating a product that anybody can use. And I know after listening to this, you're going to take away many things, but if you take away one thing that I want you to take away is the sacredness of your human existence and the gentleness that is calling you home. And the gratitude that plants like Wachuma in the world exist and have come into hands of Westernized people like you and I to help us return to just that. Not in a once or twice or once in a while ceremony, but in each and every day of our beautiful lives. So I'm very grateful to Luke for saying yes to the invitation. I'm very grateful to Luke for being a living, walking embodiment of what it looks like to be an integrity as a man, especially a man who holds sacred space for men and women, who is really here not for the glorification, but for the love and truth that gets to be our everyday when we really do this work. Without further ado, here is my amazing conversation with my brother, Luke Featherman.

I am. I'm just so honored you're here.

[Luke Featherman]

Thank you. It's an honor to be here.

[Jessica Zweig]

It is an honor to have met you, to have connected in the soul level that we did, which we're going to talk about, and just to feel you in the ether. And I see you. I feel like you see me. And now here we are.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

So welcome to the podcast, Liz.

[Luke Featherman]

Thank you so much.

[Jessica Zweig]

Truly a gift. So, so many questions for you, like, so many. But I want to start with the first question that I ask every guest that comes on, which is, what are you spiritually hustling for?

[Luke Featherman]

A lot. But the simplest answer I can give is that for myself and for all people that have consciousness, all beings that have consciousness, to realize, you know, I have a choice. They have a choice. And my choice to understand how everything is made and held together. And there is a way that creation happens. In my way of looking at it, there's nothing and then there's everything. But the first substance that is used to create something is the substance that is going to tie all of the things that come after it together. And for me, I had to make a decision what that was. Yeah. And for me, it's love. And so. And love is the thing that if you can really tap into it, if you can really tap into this. The thing that I hustle for is that when people realize that they are love and that everything is love, when you think about the words spoken to you, every word spoken to you, whether it's a harsh word, whether it's encouraging word, is actually born of love, really let it in. It's somebody that did not receive love, and they're wanting to feel love, and so they're confessing I just want your love. Or there's somebody that really knows love and they're confessing, I love you.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah.

[Luke Featherman]

And so if I'm hustling for anything, it's an alignment to that, to this. And this changed my life. Whenever I did this work and was like, I'm going to make this decision for myself that this is what everything is made of.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah. You walk that.

[Luke Featherman]

Oh, thank you.

[Jessica Zweig]

This is why I wanted you on my show. I want you in my life, and I want to share your love with my community and my world.

[Luke Featherman]

Thank you.

[Jessica Zweig (Ad Read)]

So agree.

[Jessica Zweig]

So the truth of all truths. You said the word decision. I had to make that decision. You haven't always been walking this path of yours. So can we go back to before the decision was made, what your life looked like, what you were up to in the world? I know it was very different than what you're doing now.

[Luke Featherman]

Very different. Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

Let's go there. CliffsNotes. I'm sure it's a novel.

[Luke Featherman]

So when I was a kid, I had a pretty intense trauma. It's different than a lot of people. It's very. I was hit by a F150 going 55 miles an hour when I was six.

[Jessica Zweig]

Oh, wow.

[Luke Featherman]

And I'm a pretty positive person. I've always had been. I take things in stride, even when I was a kid. And this. Healed from it. And broke my leg. Had some stuff happen in my head, and I healed from it, but it didn't manifest until later. Imagine this moment as a child stepping out into the street, and then, I don't want to see this. I don't want this to happen. Yeah. And his little body. Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

And six years old. That's so tiny.

[Luke Featherman]

Tiny, right. And so this didn't manifest until I was 18. And anything that happens, the best understanding I have of trauma is that the organism of your body cannot handle and process what's happening in the moment. It's a very simple way to look at it. And so then it gets stored in the body and it's going to come out in different ways. Now we have a lot of people talking about how to do this. So we're getting healthy.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah.

[Luke Featherman]

But When I was 18, I was diagnosed with a degenerative cornea disease. And what this meant was called keratoconus. And keratoconus usually takes 40 to 50 years before you go blind. I was blind by the time I was 25.

[Jessica Zweig]

Completely blind.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah. Yeah. So I lost my sight. Yeah. And it's pretty painful because the corneas are deteriorating. And you have to, you know, as they're deteriorating, the different things you do in order to see. So you decide I either see and have pain or I don't. And eventually it went away.

[Jessica Zweig]

Did you heal it?

[Luke Featherman]

How did that then? You know, this obviously put me on my interior world and helped me go in and really understand what was happening. And then spending a few years like this, I was a big reader, big philosophy. I was raised in a Christian home. And so this was a big part of this. It's like I know that Jesus is real and that he heals people. And so I heard about a church in California and moved there. They were having miracles and things happen that you really hear about in the Bible but don't see a lot of in this day and age. But as I was obviously forced to the interior of my life, there are things that you start to figure out and you just, okay, I can't see out there, but I can see in here. Let me see what I can figure out. And it's also my 20s, so it's a time when I'm meant to be like figuring out what I'm supposed to do with my life and build my reality, but I've just lost my sight. 90% of our sensory intake is our eyes, our side. And so there's a lot of depression that comes with this. And so what happened was I moved to this place and I met this gentleman who wrote a book and still pretty outgoing, still making my life work, you know. And I ended up really befriending his children. And he became a mentor of mine. And this book that he wrote, he wrote for his kids. But then it ended up selling 30 million copies. And because of our relationship, he called me one day and said, hey, you know, I know that there are these trial surgeries going on and I know that you can't afford them. I want to take care of it. And so these were not FDA approved yet, but they were. There's a doctor in Beverly Hills that was working specifically with this issue that I had and I went to see him in a two year period from 28 to 30. So one eye per year. So a bit of a. That's when my pirates pirate age.

[Jessica Zweig]

That's where it comes from.

[Luke Featherman]

Eye patches for two years. And at the end of it, he stopped at a generation. So this isn't very important. And then he put a couple of lenses inside my eye and then there's a part of what he does to the cornea and gave me my sight back. And I Still have to wear a very specialized made for my eye contact. But my sight was restored after that and the degeneration stopped.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah, you see perfectly now.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah, 2010, actually.

[Jessica Zweig]

Wow.

[Luke Featherman]

So, yeah, that's beautiful. But in that process, really made me look in. Yeah. And so then I spent the next decade of my life unpacking the what am I supposed to do with myself? Why am I here? And all of the things that come along with this experience of going blind and really understanding why I went blind. And existential reality has always been important. And so I got to make sense of this. It's very painful, it's very difficult. So I just need to make sense of it. And in doing that, I came to find some trauma specialists. One in particular, Peter Levine, who worked specifically with children hit by cars.

[Jessica Zweig]

Wow.

[Luke Featherman]

And then he himself, when he was 60, got hit by a car. And he's got a couple books that explain trauma and trauma release and what our bodies are capable of. And then When I was 33, I had a daughter who was born without the top of her head. If you see this, this is her ode to her. So she was born without the top of her skull. Her name is Goldie and she began my awakening. Right. I always understood love and always understood my life, but I didn't understand my place in it. Where do I belong? Why am I here? I don't know. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to be in this world. I'm not really good at. I'm good with people, but I'm not really good at like business and I'm not good at making money. I'm always feel behind. I always feel like really the best way I can say it is belonging. I don't know what home feels like. And whenever she. She came and was born and lived for 40 minutes, oh my God. Fully unexpected. We didn't know. And so then she passed. And I'm making a long story short here, but what this taught me, the most important role for me in my life has been a father. And there's lots to that too. The most talked about thing in any therapy is going to be mother and father wounds. So I'm a father. No matter how hard I try, I'm still going to traumatize my children. And so maybe I just accept that and move on. Nothing but force, right? But this particular daughter, she still exists, but she's not with me. And so the only way I knew how to father her responsibly and well in my heart was to Grieve. And so this really taught me a lot. This opened me up to a very deep understanding of the source of our emotions and the source of anger, the source. All of this is all really defense mechanisms for avoiding our grief. I wanted to be a good father to her, whether she's in my arms or not. The only way I needed to do that was to father her through my grief. So I devoted myself to. Anytime these waves come, I'm going to feel them. And so this, for me, helped me really understand what the body can do and. And what the body does in deep grief, how well and how much it can be trusted. And this is an important point and what we're going to talk about in a little bit, because the chemical responses to drowning and to accessing your grief are the same. So it's going to feel like you're drowning, but your body knows exactly what it needs to do to help you process these emotions. And so I just learned a lot through this. And she really woke me up to really understand how much I didn't believe in myself. The mental game that I was playing. She was born without the top of her skull. So each of my children, I have four children, represent the four parts of the being. The physical, the mental, the emotional and spiritual, to put it very simply. And she was the mental. And so this really woke me up to my thoughts and the importance of taking care of them and the importance of keeping them clean and clear and really my thoughts about myself. And again, we'll get into that. Because this leads to what I do now. Yes, because of what this. What I do now, and the teachings that have been around for thousands of years in these cultures that have to do with the appropriation of the mind. So I work in the music industry, I worked privately, helped publish a couple of books for my then wife, and just in these worlds. And something began to happen where, because I did this grief work, men began to go, what is it about you? And they just began to share themselves with me. So I got into men's work. I got into helping men understand and map their inner worlds. Yeah, of course, I've been through a couple of dark nights of the soul. And when you do this, for me, the only way to make it through was to go in and really understand what's happening with my being and how to be here, present well. And because I had a family and because I had a world, the only way I knew to like, all this stuff is distracting me. All this stuff is keeping me from being present with my life. And I want to be present. And so as I started working with men and just helping men understand, hey, like, this is what our society has done to you. This is the script and the conditioning that you've been given. This is what needs to happen. We need. You know, most men are beaten out of their bodies so physically, verbally, they live from the neck up. And in order to be present and for women to feel as present, women are the. In my way, women are the keepers of intuition and the keepers of integrity. And so they are the reflection for us if we are living in the present moment. Okay. And if we are not, they know and they feel it. And so the only way I know to express this to men is that we've got to be in our full being, in our full body. That requires some work, and that requires some remembering of the sensations and the emotions. And so in this work, in my own work with myself, I began to ask the question, well, I can tell that my heart opens and closes. And I understand that it's doing certain things to help me feel safe, have discernment. And my decision is that I would like to know what it's like to keep my heart open at all times and to be that kind of a being in the world. And so I started doing this work, and very practically, there are physical sensations in the body of what the heart feels like when it opens, when it closes, when you are living from your heart, speaking from your heart, giving from your heart, or when you're not. This led to. So, again, shortening this in my meditations, as I open my heart, I would hear this word, San Pedro. San Pedro. So I studied St. Peter. I didn't understand. This is not clicking. And then I was here in Nashville in a business meeting, and across the room, I heard a man go, yeah, San Pedro's this cactus from Peru. You got to go there to drink it. And it. Yeah, it's just this psychedelic plant medicine. And I beeline them. What are you talking about? And it clicked. My whole body turned to light in this moment.

[Jessica Zweig]

Wow.

[Luke Featherman]

So I started doing research on this, and I never done anything like this. Really?

[Jessica Zweig]

Really.

[Luke Featherman]

I was like, I know I got to do this.

[Jessica Zweig]

You'd never dabbled in plant medicine before that moment.

[Luke Featherman]

Like, I had, like, a little bit of mushrooms, but really nothing like this level. And so it's just a different level for me. And so I understood that it was here, and it was kind of coming out into the world more prevalently. But then I wanted to go to Peru, and I booked a Trip to Peru. And then Covid happened. So the whole world shut down. Two weeks after that happened, I got a phone call from somebody I didn't know, sister of a friend, saying, hey, the world is shut down, but we're going to go to my dad's farm with the shaman that's stuck here and have these plant medicines, Ayahuasca and San Pedro. Are you interested? So the whole world shuts down. And then one thing opened up for me, this medicine. So no matter what was going to happen, it found its way to me and to my heart. And this changed my life. The Wachuma. To San Pedro, also called Wachuma. My one question was, how do I keep my heart open no matter what? And he showed me that day. And then with the ayahuasca, I didn't really know much. I didn't, you know, how do I get my daughters to go to sleep at night? That's all I asked. And this changed my life because it said to me, I. I went through a whole night of what it did. He said, I'm going to initiate you tonight. And then it said, I thought I was going to do something in my body. I didn't have a big reaction and said, go and pick up a guitar, learn a couple chords, and sing from your heart the way you know. And I started doing this every night. And this changed my life. Up until this point, music was a big part of my life, but not like this. And as you have experienced, it became a very magical thing for me.

[Jessica Zweig]

And this was a couple years ago.

[Luke Featherman]

This was 2020, so I've only been really playing like this since five years ago. Yeah. So all of this is the short story of how we are here.

[Jessica Zweig]

Thank you for. Thank you for all of it, every piece of it. And I did, leading up into this moment, meet you in a Wachuma ceremony that you guided with your beautiful heart, wisdom and music. And it changed my life. It's my favorite medicine I've ever done.

[Luke Featherman]

Me too.

[Jessica Zweig]

I'm serious. I mean, I've done them all. Most of them not a boga, but bufo, mdma, aya, mushrooms, all for healing, all intentionally, as I deepened my own spiritual path, really understand the power and the necessity of them when done in integrity, in sacred spaces, with intention. And you really were one of the few. Because I, unfortunately, have had experiences over the last decade that weren't held in spaces of integrity. And it fucked me up. And it was. It was challenging and traumatic. And then you go into a space like the one you held you know, as somebody that is from not there, not Peru, to hold the indigenous lineage and the depth of reverence that you did was a code and spoke to me almost as equally as the medicine did itself. They work intertwined, in my view, woven together. They're woven together. And I think that it would be important because Wachuma and San Pedro aren't necessarily as spoken about or as mainstream as many of them are. And so I will, of course, at some point, get into my experience of it, because I think it'd be important for them to hear. But what can you talk about the cactus and the frequency of this plant and what it is and what it does?

[Luke Featherman]

I think a good understanding of it is, to begin with, is why it has the name San Pedro. So when the conquistadors came through looking for a city of gold in Peru that they'd heard about, they bypassed these people that were on the mountains because they had potatoes and they had cactus. Yeah. And then the church came. The Catholic Inquisition came through. And a lot of terrible things happened in South America. But. But in this one, they saw that these people had temples, and they saw that they were. You know, there was something about them. And so they said, well, we need to drink this. What is this? And so they drank it. And when they came back, they. The short story is they're. Their experience. They're like, wow, we've never felt closer to the gates of heaven than in this. And so St. Peter, San Pedro, that's how he got this name. So this is a good understanding of moving from the matriarchy to the patriarchy and how there are still codes and the things that we might not like, there's still codes and the truth is still there for this. It is known as Wachuma, and Wachuma as multiple meanings. Okay. One of them is the Great Mystery revealed from the Great Silence by the Great Mother. The Great Mother, who from the Great Silence, reveals the Great Mystery, Wachuma. And then the other one is to cut off your head. To cut off your head. And this sounds violent, but you got to think about these people that for thousands of years had been sitting with this and coming to this understanding that there is an old. In Chavin, there's this old temple, and it's a pyramid. And at the bottom of the pyramid is a man with his hands tied above his head and his feet tied to his genitals. And at the top of the pyramid is another man that holds a knife in one hand and his head in the other hand. His neck is Open, his head is here on his side. Now, these are codes. And what they are is this man at the bottom and this man at the top are the same man. This man at the bottom has surrendered himself. I am in a posture of surrender. And he has learned to bring into alignment and self control his base nature, right? And then he ascends into this spot. And at the top, this man has cut his own head off. And he has not thrown his head away. He has put it in the right place beneath his heart. And the sun is above him, shining into his body. So it is light. This light is going to every nook and cranny. And this is important because in our conversation and the society's conversations around this, there's a lot of talk about ego death and where this is a real thing. My way of understanding this is an ego appropriation and an ego relationship because we couldn't drive cars without our ego. It helps us judge physical distances. It helps us judge. We need judgment. You know, we forget that when we talk about judgmentalism that there is judging of safety and wrong, there's judging of right. And this is for me a teaching of, of to cut off your head. And this is why when I talk about Goldie, she came with her head cut off. She. She came right in and opened this door. And it is a heart medicine. So it's opening your heart and it is helping you to realize the capacity of your heart, the capacity of yourself to process and to feel all of life, the beauties and the terrors, the goods and the bads. Because without all of it, you are not able to exist.

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[Luke Featherman]

And so he's holding his head right here. He's keeping it close. This is my friend. I don't want to throw it away. I want to keep it because it helps me. But it is no longer governing my life. It's no longer directing my life. My heart is. And I told this a little bit about beginning to open my heart, and then this medicine showing up. And it's important in this world to understand what the indigenous. What I've learned from them about what medicine is. Okay. Medicine is not a scientific thing. It's not a. I mean, it can be, of course, but really, the simple definition of this, something that helps us come back to balance, helps us rebalance, and. And this is what this medicine has done for me. It's helped me find my balance again in a world that is very imbalanced and. Well, in a world that exists that it can seem like is imbalanced. But remember, nothing can exist if it is not imbalance with something else. This is important because we often get really caught up in the stories that we're seeing and the story that's being forced on us. But remember that nothing would exist if it wasn't balanced somehow. So then we need to go and find the thing that will help us balance individually. So that's a bit about San Pedro. I could talk for days.

[Jessica Zweig]

I know you can. And I would. Would love for you to. And I'm excited to be in another ceremony with you soon. I love that metaphor. Thank you for explaining all of that. You know, I was in a really tough place when I came into that ceremony. My heart felt closed. I was in a rupture with a friend. And, you know, San Pedro has been sort of circling my field for years, and I've had a very strong intuition to work with it. And we have a mutual friend, Jen, which was a very serendipitous connection, she and I. Very sisterly. Pleiadian codes that were instant. And she started talking about it, that she works with it, and then that manifested. And I really love the metaphor of the man who's cut off his head because it allows you to think through your heart. I feel it's the plan of pure love consciousness. And I was in so much grief around my friend. And I'm, you know, thank you for sharing that about Goldie. And I. I feel. I feel her here. Just wanted to share that. And I'm very blessed. You know, I've had grandparents die, but I've never had anyone super close to me pass. And. And I lost my dog in December, and I don't have children.

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[Jessica Zweig]

They're my. My babies.

[Luke Featherman]

That's also pure love.

[Jessica Zweig]

The most pure love. And he was one of the most, if not next to plant medicine ceremonies. The grief of that was the most spiritual experience of my life. I was able to really move through the flower of life dimensionally, reach the other side instantaneously because my heart was so cracked open in the frequency of grief, which is the same as love. That's at least what I took away. And so there I was inside of your ceremony, in a different. Different kind of grief, but still grief. And I. I can't even put into words the sensation of crying. Like what those tears felt like recognizing and tuning into and somatically embodying. The reason why I was angry and sad and in grief was because of how much I love my friend.

[Luke Featherman]

That's right. Grief and praise.

[Jessica Zweig]

That was the morning, you know, taking us through. And we live in this world of polarity, imbalance, love and grief. All of the things. And what Chuma does is it takes you into the truth of the truth that you were mentioning at the beginning. You talked about something on that day that I'll never forget. Many things around reaching zero point.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

And I. I touched it, you know, and then you go back into life, and it's life. Will you explain zero point what that is to you?

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

How we access it, why it's important, how do we work with it, how do we find it?

[Luke Featherman]

This is an interesting thing that you're talking about. You know, for me, most of my life is I hear things or I feel things intuitively from my guides, and then I don't get much else. So in a way, I'm a map maker. Yeah. And this was one of those. I kept hearing go to zero. So I did. Went to zero in my bank account, went to zero. My possessions went to zero, Most of my relationships. And. But it was also curriculum.

[Jessica Zweig]

Right.

[Luke Featherman]

Life was walking me through an initiation, which is, wow, we could talk about a lot. Everything in life is an initiation, if you can perceive it this way, is actually initiating us into. Into a more holistic view of ourselves. And this was one of those. And so for me, I was just stumbling around trying to figure out what it meant, because it's like one of those things. You just imagine someone knocking on the door and never stopping.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yes.

[Luke Featherman]

It gets louder and louder, and I'm listening, but it's still getting loud. Until I agreed to do what's called a vision quest. And a vision quest is a very old Lakota ceremony, and now it's been adopted on Turtle island and in South America. And what a vision quest is. It is there is a community of people that sit on a mountain, and I have somebody eating for me. I have somebody and a whole group of people keeping a fire for five days. And what we do is you can do it with a group or by yourself. I've done some by myself. And then you go and you sit inside of a circle. You put together 405 tobacco prayer ties. And these are all prayers that you pray. You blow into, and you pray over what they are. And then you wrap these tobacco ties in a circle. And then for four nights and five days, no food and no water, you sit inside of these and you pray. That's it. You're there. And the original teachings is hambletcha. Yeah. Hamleta means to cry for a vision. And it's really. There's a code, because there is a grief, There is a crying for something, and it's a spirit that just takes over and. And you really are. The spirit is coming through and grieving for a vision that will be good for you. How are you of service for yourself, for your community and for the world and for the earth? Okay. And we did a Wachuma sermon the night before. And on the fourth altar, the man holding this altar begins a teaching. And he Says, you know, and I didn't know any of this before going in. I just knew I was called to do this. He said, before we go into this in our culture, it's often called sitting inside of zero. My mind blew. I've been looking for years for this. And I knew at this moment this was it. And he said, what we're doing is we are giving life back to itself. We're giving life back to itself, and we're giving everything back to life. We're letting go of all of our control mechanisms, we're letting go all of our desires, all of our I want this and I need that, or I don't have this, and I don't have this. I'm giving back all of my trauma, all of my pain. I'm giving back everything to life. And making a gesture to life that I trust you, I trust you with this. Yeah. And then you sit inside zero. Now, very practically, what is zero? Very practically, zero is a vacuum. Think about the energy. If zero had an action, what would it be? It would just be nothing. You're returning to nothing. And this is important. Think about this. Take a moment, think about the energies. Just think about one energy, the person you love the most. This is an energy, right? This energy is all of existence. So it has the good and the bad, okay? And it is entangling, is weaving, is connecting, is all of the things in this one connection, okay? Now imagine that for just a moment, all of the ways that you speak to this person, the good and the bad, all of the ways that you think about this person, the good and the bad, that you give it back to that person, you give it back to life, and you step into nothing. You don't eat, you don't drink, you just sit or you pace or you walk or you dance in nothing. This allows you a moment to give all of this energy, all of these thoughts, all of these feelings back to life so that you can actually remember what you are at your essence and what you are in nothing. And this is important because before you become anything and everything that you are, first you got to realize that you're nothing really, to have this experience of nothingness. And this is also now we're talking about. In any mystery school, in any religious way of thinking, you have a story of creation. So this gives you a moment in your life to return to nothing, so that you then get to choose consciously what's the next thing, and then what's the next thing? What's the next thing? So when you can have a Moment to come into the frequency and the energy of zero. This allows you a really fresh perspective, a really fresh moment. And this is important to have a fresh moment because we have a lot of input and we have a lot of thoughts and we have a lot going on and we have a lot of conditioning. Imagine if you could wipe all of that away for just a minute and just be yourself. And it really reorganizes things.

[Jessica Zweig]

Sure does.

[Luke Featherman]

Sent me on quite a journey. Quite a journey. I lost a lot of money. I lost a lot of business. I went through some of the hardest few years of my life after this. But again, I made a choice to trust myself, to trust life. And it took me on a journey of real sovereignty, of really going, who am I? How am I? And belonging. Oh, wait a second. I'm here. My feet are on the ground. I belong here now because I've had this experience and embodied this experience. At any moment, I can recall it and make new decisions, make new connections, speak differently to this person. That I have trained myself and trained them to speak this way. But I would like to speak this way now. And it's important to me that people have this experience. Right. So everything we know about is made of math also. Yes, it is Mathematics and sacred geometry. Well, if you understand that all this starts with zero, then every archetype after that. And this is the flower of life. What is it? First is a zero.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yes, it is.

[Luke Featherman]

And then that zero becomes one and two. And then you have the desk of Pisces and then you have the flower. That's right. So this is all about creation. And so to me, zero is this. It's returning to this. Oh, wait a second. This is what life is. This is who I am. I'm not all of that. And wow. I can really trust myself. I can really be present here and now. I can really be sovereign to making my choices and how I want to walk, what I want to be in the world. I want to be of service. What are my offerings? So, you know, in this way, coming to zero is stepping into a vacuum of. Let me just be clean for a second. Let me remember the beginning, the origin.

[Jessica Zweig]

I'm so glad I asked that question. I'm so glad I asked that question and the way you explained it. Thank you. Did that refresher. I felt like I was just on a small journey just now, but just to take my community through the Wachuma ceremony that we had together. We got there at sunrise and were there together through sunset. It was a full day experience outside in nature, which I think is critical to be one with Gaia. And you talked about that zero point in the morning. I remember I got there, it was still dark. I knew you for three seconds. Poured my cup, we laid down, kind of were in our own energy. And we sat back up about an hour later. And you had that. You shared about zero point. Really stayed with me. And thank you for taking us through your personal. Yeah, it's profound to listen to in a micro macro sense. It's what at least my experience was with Wachuma is reaching that zero point, touching that true essence of self, non self, giving it back unattaching, and then deciding and moving through the rest of the day with sovereignty, with love. The conversations, the connections. As it was an intimate group, which I know you. You try to keep these ceremony. And I believe they should be. Yeah, I don't subscribe to like 90 strangers in a shala doing ayahuasca. Anyway, that's. Well, I want to talk to you about that. But it really. It really was a reset.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

Getting you into your heart and the way that you guided it from zero point, or at least the understanding, notion of it, concept of it, but embodiment of it. Because you're in the medicine and you can really understand it in your system. The invitation. And then to allow whatever comes up from that place. Because you're so in your heart, you're so in alignment. Because that's what it does to us when we are in our heart. It gets us into alignment just like that. That's why I say it changed my life.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah. Come on.

[Jessica Zweig]

So thank you.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah, that's really beautiful. Thank you for receiving it. You know, it's. We step into the ceremonial space. It's a very particular space. And people that come into these spaces, the way that I perceive it and the way that I work with it is this. That you know, it's a bunch of adult bodies. However, we're all children. So how would I treat children? How would I hold children? How would I guide children? How would I help them be themselves in a ceremonial space? I understand that these people are about to have a rebirth experience. They are about. They have an opportunity to really come into the life new. Okay. Stepping into the unknown which require unknown is required for transformation. The ceremony is the soup.

[Jessica Zweig]

Totally.

[Luke Featherman]

It's the soup that the caterpillar turns itself into. And then from this space, it needs to be perceived that these are children. And that. And it's important too. Because my hope and my prayer and my personal intent is that Everybody just remembers, and let's live inside of them, their inner child. And this is the magic. And so this is important to understand in these ceremonial spaces that not dealing with grown people, dealing with their inner child. And this is where the magic lives. And this is also how you handle them. This is also how you sing to them. This is also how you. It's very tender. And so for me, this is my perspective, and I have also been in ceremonies where this has not been the case. And this is also my way. There's other ways that are equally healthy and equally safe, but this is how I walk with it. And we're bringing real life, real adult things. And yet, in this moment of going to zero, we really are able to see with pure eyes. And for me, I'm just very happy that you. Yeah. Like, good job.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah, I got it.

[Luke Featherman]

Good job.

[Jessica Zweig]

Well, thank you for creating this space to be held and seen and loved and celebrated and. And, you know. You know, I've done, like, aya, and I sort of feel like it's. Ayah. Feels like this.

Like a roller coaster.

You can't. Like waves. Waves, right. Huh? 100%. Then Bufo takes you straight up.

[Luke Featherman]

Straight up.

[Jessica Zweig]

Mushrooms are, like, everywhere.

[Luke Featherman]

Orbs.

[Jessica Zweig]

Orbs. And I feel like Wachuma feels like the ocean.

[Luke Featherman]

Interesting.

[Jessica Zweig]

It's powerful.

[Luke Featherman]

Interesting.

[Jessica Zweig]

And soft.

It's like a.

Like. Like a deepening. But then there's this, like, effervescence to it, too. This, like, magic, what you were saying about fairies downstairs, like, you can, like, you see life clearly, actually, through, like, a. Like the purest of its own dimension. But it's a strong medicine. But it's soft.

[Luke Featherman]

This is so interesting. It's hard for people to understand.

[Jessica Zweig]

It's hard to explain. I'm trying to explain it. And it was our friend Ryan who said at one point, like, what is the most powerful, softest force on the planet? And he was like water.

[Luke Featherman]

Because it never forces itself. Never forces it, and it always finds the lowest place.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yes.

[Luke Featherman]

No matter where it's going, it's going to find the lowest place.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yes.

[Luke Featherman]

So there's a. All power is born of powerlessness. Let that phrase in for a second. Real power. What I mean by that is, is the. The real understanding that again, if you understand the stories of creation and how the first energy carries through all of the energies until the end, if the first energy is love, then when you really understand power, what did our big brother and wise counsel, Bob Marley, say? The love of power or the power of love. And it allows all of this for people. And it's interesting that you experience it like the ocean.

[Jessica Zweig]

Well, it's also. You think about the ocean, you think about love, you think about grief, you think about the depths of the human experience. And there's really no better physical metaphor than what that exquisiteness is, what that exquisite pain is, and the depth of it, the oceanic capacity, which is massive. You reach that in the frequency of love in Machu. I have a question for you. People are listening, they're interested, they're probably going to want to go find you and follow your journey. We'll get more into that and what you're up to now in California. But it's. So if you really want to know the truth, Luke, I started the plant medicine journey about 10 years ago, a little less than. And I was. Changed my life, like, all about it. And then I had my two specifically, unfortunately, out of integrity experiences that were not safe, not clean, et cetera. And I was sort of watching the.

Whole, like, Internet blow up and everyone.

On a podcast, you know, talking about this and that, and I had a reaction to it. I had a visceral know in my body to talk about it publicly because I didn't want to glorify it. I didn't want to promote it. I am not a shaman. I'm just a girl here on my own path. And I think that people are intrigued for good reason, because this is here to heal humanity on a cellular level and is important medicine and all of its forms. And yet discernment is everything. And so if you were to be talking into the hearts of the women that are listening and they're feeling the pull and the call to work with San Pedro or work with Aya or work with mushrooms, whatever it might be, or maybe already have, and are looking for a deepening. What advice do you have? How do you really find that discernment within yourself? You get what I'm asking?

[Luke Featherman]

The first thing is, and this is going to rub some people, first thing is whatever you experience is a mirror of what you're carrying. Okay? So the first thing to do is to clean yourself and to stay clean, to have good energetic hygiene and to really show up for yourself in this way. And when you are this way, you become the crystal, you become the light. Then there is a magnetism, and there is a manifestation that happens that draws a reflection of that into your world. Yeah. And that's a very important thing to remember. There's the next level of people that are. However the universe is doing this, however life is doing this, that also are going to have roles in expanding the awareness of these things. So they go through initiations. And those initiations can be any form of thing. But in this world, often it is about having the experience of a space holder that is not in integrity. For you to decide how you're going to walk and for you to experience how you are going to be, because you need that experience. And I have had many of these very deep, very close people. And also remember that everyone's capable of everything, including me. I remember this always. So I never pedestalize anybody. But I also watch for people that are going to pedestalize me. Let's not do this. I'm just a man, okay? I'm just a man. And this brings the next thing for me, which is this word shaman. Yeah, I like to play with words. And there is, you know, this, this is a very ancient word and it means in its source, origin, meaning one who knows. One who knows the origin. Archetypically speaking, there is a shaman. It's an archetype, it's an energy, it's part of our consciousness. And the way that I work with that is that that is the shaman and he knows the origin. And just like we honor gods and goddesses, just like we honor those deities, it is very important that we, with this one, that we hold it in that place and we keep it in that place. So, you know, the people that I know that are true, deep, really doing good for work, for healing, and they don't call themselves shamans. They don't. This is. They understand the respect and the reverence for this energy. And one of my teachers calls himself a plumber. I'm just a plumber.

[Jessica Zweig]

What do you call yourself?

[Luke Featherman]

I like this. I'm just a man. I'm really. I'm just a man. And that's it. Yeah. And the next thing I would say is just a friend. We all just need a friend. And I think the world needs a friend right now. And, you know, then maybe just a brother. These are the ways that I will identify myself with. And so that's a good key is like, is this person? How are they throwing that word around? And again, if you're playing with words within this word, shaman is also sham.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yes, it is.

[Luke Featherman]

And so I watched this and I had, you know, for me, this was a big part of my bridge building understanding. When I came to understand I'm going to be doing a lot of bridge building and introducing people that maybe have never had this experience to people that they want to have this experience. With. So I need to make sure that these people are trustworthy and I need to have my journey also with my shadow and be always in this hygiene because again, I am a man and we talked about any organization, any system you're in. I've been in lots of systems and I've been behind the scenes in lots of systems. All systems are one universe that have the whole spectrum of experience inside that system. And so the people that are walking in integrity are the people that are doing their shadow work and that are willing to go to the bottom really. And not just willing to go there once, but they understand that now that they've gone there. Okay, it's cool, I can take a hike. And I need to go and check this out and I need to go and make sure this is good. And it becomes a practice, becomes a way of life. But the deeper we go, the higher we grow.

[Jessica Zweig]

That's right.

[Luke Featherman]

And there's a lot of talk about shadow work and there's a lot of need for that. I think we have enough shadow work also in our life in the world right now. It's presenting us. And this is why this particular medicine is here and amongst my community. It's a medicine of this time because it is a medicine of creation. And as you can attest to this, when you're creating something, you also are doing shadow work because you're going to reach those levels. Oh my God. Self doubt. Oh my God, I can't do this. Why am I, you know, I've been creating things and I have moments where I have to stop and cry and like. Or stop and go for a hike because I'm getting angry and really be with myself. This is an initiation itself into shadow work. Just by being in the light. Yeah. These are the things that I would just say think about and be aware of to trust yourself, to do your work with yourself before you step into these experiences so that the reflection the world. You know, my, one of my teachers teaches that everything is a mirror. Life is a mirror and the mirror never smiles first.

[Jessica Zweig]

You said that, remember? I think of her description, never smiles.

[Luke Featherman]

And this is true. It's like we. This medicine is not going to heal me. No, this person is not going to heal me. They are not. We create spaces for people to have their sovereignty. And if somebody is going, I can heal you, you know? Yes. There are people that are like, they have remedies that we need them. But in this world and in the way people are walking here, we're really just cleaners. We're Just cleaning. We're just sweeping. You're doing the healing, I'm doing the sweeping.

[Jessica Zweig]

Totally. We are our own healers.

[Luke Featherman]

And so I think this is also important to remember that from the moment you feel called or the moment you're like, I'm going to do this. This is on you. It's not on them. This is on you. And this is also the way that I carry myself. This is on me when I'm going to somebody and when I'm holding space for people. Yes, it's on you, but it's also on me to make sure that this space is good for this person to experience utter beauty while they're processing their pain.

[Jessica Zweig]

Mission accomplished. I have a few more questions for you. I want to go back to. You know, I asked you, what. What do you consider yourself to be, Luke? You said, I'm just a man.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

And you had spoken earlier in our conversation around the men's work that you. That you did. That really kind of is an opening, you know, based on where you had been with your timeline and masculinity. Let's talk about it, because you have all women listening right now, and I would say, like, 99.9%. And I'm. I have the tattoo of the Vesica Pisces on my arm. Like, I am here for harmony and sacred union.

We have to have both.

And there is a distortion of the masculine. It is so demonized, not appropriated in ways that I think are obviously playing itself out in the patriarchy today that I think a lot of women have a clear and understandable reaction to. And so much of my community and what I teach about is the reclamation of their own inner feminine. The essence of my show is the spiritual hustler. To be a woman who hustles, but from a vibration of meaning, not money and receptivity and safety versus survival, et cetera. I love the masculine. We need the masculine in equal measure. Why, in your view, is it so important to celebrate it, to honor it, to recognize it for what it really is? And what is it really again?

[Luke Featherman]

We're talking about creation and the story of everything, where we are in it. Okay. We are the first conscious beings that get to choose evolution. We are aware that evolution happens. We are aware that this growth is happening. Evolution is our own being, is that evolution is carried. Everything from the beginning to now. We get to look at that and go, oh, I want to be part of that. And part of the bigger picture is that in the beginning of consciousness, it was really understood as a matriarch. As a mother and the wisdom of women, because they carry this portal of life just physically, literally, life comes from them. Okay, then in the understanding of balance, this is the part of the story. Now the patriarchy is going to come in and I'm bringing this to very simple terms, okay? And it's going to bring all of their. The good and the bad, the competition, the insecurity and the ability to build and make progress, okay? And we have been in a season and in an age where the shadow and the light of men have reigned and have presented all of itself. How many women would like their husband to present all of himself, really, to show himself this way? Totally. Well, we get an opportunity to look at that in our culture and in our world in the last few thousand years. And what men have done, you're getting to see all of it. But what we, in our day and age, we get to see mostly the ones that are loud and that are belligerent and that are power hungry. But underneath all that, look through the spaces and look through the sounds. How many good men are there that are just being men? They're enjoying stillness and they're being quiet and they're just getting to work. And my little bit of what I can do in the world for me has been, wow, I hear there's lots of men's work and there's lots of. Of men talking harshly. There's lots of men being intense. And this is what most men were given. Most men were given fathers like this and their fathers were given that. And the truth is it's all innocence because it's what they were handed and they're doing their best. Everybody's always doing their best, right? But now we have a moment to see what's possible and to then make the choice to. I want to be this way and I want to call men into this. And what's happening now, because his mother didn't. Patriarch the matriarchy, patriarchy. We have a moment where we can choose to balance this, where we can choose to honor the feminine and the masculine. We can choose to embody these behaviors towards men. And yes, there is toxic masculinity. This does exist, okay? Because there's also toxic femininity. There's also everything, because everything exists. The toxic part exists. But this is why I love about. One of the things I love about men is that we quietly, we are really good alchemists. We're really good at taking shit and turning it into something beautiful, really. We're just quiet about it. And at the same Time. There is underneath all that, there is a space where men need to have space to transform too. And this is how we help them. This is how we help this culture of men to remember that what we call a midlife crisis. The man has held all of this in his body. He's gone through his whole life. And now it's time for him to change. All of the conditioning and all of the things that he has created from this. He needs to transform, and he doesn't have a choice. The psychology of life will do this. It's going to happen. It needs to expand. It needs to break out of this. He needs to come into his kingship. Okay? In order to do this, he has to go through a tunnel. He has to go through a part of himself and experience with himself of, I no longer want to be this. I want to be me. So this often sends the people around him into crisis because they have relied upon him so much.

[Jessica Zweig]

Wow.

[Luke Featherman]

And what I see is that men just need to hear a voice saying, yo, this doesn't have to be intense. It doesn't have to be a U shaped hole in a wall to change. If I can catch men before this, you know, again, people, you understand marketing, when they're in crisis, they really go. But if I can get the language out that people, this can be guided, this can be gentle. There can be space for you, a way to communicate with the people that you love, that, oh, wow, this is happening. And I need to be different and I need space to transform, which men don't really give themselves and the world doesn't give them to actually go through this process, the midlife chrysalis, as our friend Ryan would say, to go from being the man that he was to the man that we need him to be and the man that he needs for himself to be. If I could say one thing to women and to men, it would be the same thing. Be gentle with yourself. Be gentle with yourself. Be gentle with yourself.

[Jessica Zweig]

Taking that in for me.

[Luke Featherman]

Be gentle with yourself.

[Jessica Zweig]

So good. Really, really glad I asked that. Can't have the conversation about the feminine without talking about the masculine. And I don't have very many men come on this podcast just by the thank you nature of it all, but thank you. And I wanted to you to come on for so many reasons. I have just two more questions for you. They're kind of quick fire questions.

Okay.

But I kind of see if I can keep.

[Luke Featherman]

Keep a quick fire answer.

[Jessica Zweig]

Do you believe in aliens? Yes or no?

[Luke Featherman]

Yes.

[Jessica Zweig]

Okay. Do you have a star family that you feel connected to.

[Luke Featherman]

Yes. This has been an interesting thing that you ask. They have been talking to me because it's not something I've been deeply connected to, but I've been presenting myself for the first time online. Hey brother and brother medicine. And really just in celebrating and encouraging man and in doing this, I've had multiple people not connected to each other. Give me one word. What is this word? Minton.

[Jessica Zweig]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke Featherman]

And so I have been in a school of this to understand what this is. And so it has. It has presented itself to me, the Minton. And what I've come to understand is that they. It is a planet in the Orion's belt and they were the original light workers that came here to. And their. Their planet, their home is a crystalline water planet, Water. And I don't know much about them, but they, they came for these reasons. To remind us of empathy and remind us of light and to remind us of love and, and honest optimism and positivity and yeah, it's very fresh for me. And I also like this word. Min Duncan just is a very masculine word in my opinion, but I love it.

[Jessica Zweig (Ad Read)]

And all of those.

[Luke Featherman]

I'm learning.

[Jessica Zweig]

Yeah, you are. But you're also, I think, already embodying all of those things. Final question for you. What, Luke, does it mean to you to be a co creator of the new Earth?

[Luke Featherman]

You know, I really love creating things with my friends. And the thing about a friend is that they can go through the hardest times. They're there and they'll go through the best times. They're there, they're crying and they're laughing and they're willing to go as far as they can or willing to go all the way through this experience of life together and some coming, some go. And that's okay. And so for me, a co creation is this. Number one. We're always in co creation. It's always happening with something. There is the one and the source and the oneness of all things. And then the understanding that a friend, no matter what's just going to go through this with me, then you got to think about the new Earth. It's very important that we communicate as friends about our vision. What is our vision for what we are creating? What are we embodying? What are we holding for what the new Earth is? And what frequencies are we inputting together? What are we listening for? Because the Earth also is her own being and she must go through her transformation. And she is gracious and kind enough to share her DNA and to share her elements with us. And this is the way we connect with her. We are her. We are this earth. And so to remember that we are naturally, when we shed everything that we thought and shed these ideas, and we can just be in our sovereignty together as two beings or 100 beings or 7 billion beings, we are this creation. So it's an interesting thing that we can create. But I think remembering that we are the creation, that we are this, it is us. We are being created right now. And I am being created by you.

[Jessica Zweig]

And I'm being created by you.

[Luke Featherman]

Correct.

[Jessica Zweig]

Luke, I could talk to you for hours and I know there is more where this came from. Thank you for coming.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah. Thank you for having me.

[Jessica Zweig]

Thank you for dropping your codes and for being you and for seeing me and giving me the gift to co create, because I see you too.

[Luke Featherman]

Thank you for having me. And you know, I've listened to your book. I've listened to some podcasts and sitting with you in medicine and here. Thank you for being a being that is helping the world rebalance, to align and to remember that there is a way to be in the world. There's a way to really belong and to show up and to be feminine in that. So thank you so much for being that voice. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

[Jessica Zweig]

Being a mirror, smiling at me back.

[Luke Featherman]

Yeah.

[Jessica Zweig]

So beautiful to have you. Bless you, bless you, bless you, bless you. Blessed my audience today. Yeah.

[Luke Featherman]

Bless everybody.

[Jessica Zweig]

Thank you.