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The Spiritual Hustler
You Can’t Amazon Prime Your Manifestations—How to Truly Trust the Universe AND Take Massive Action with Alexandria Maria
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Jessica Zweig
Welcome to the Spiritual Hustler podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Zweig, multi seven figure serial entrepreneur, best selling author and branding and business coach. And this is a show where we are redefining the word hustle. Reclaiming our true feminine nature of magnetism and putting down the self judgments and shame around loving to work and making.
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Alexandria Maria
A lot of money at it.
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Jessica Zweig
On this show you're going to learn how to stop hustling and start spiritually hustling. By pressing play, you are now part of a new movement of women who don't hustle for money. We hustle for meaning. We don't hustle from lack.
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Alexandria Maria
We hustle for love.
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Jessica Zweig
We don't hustle from survival. We hustle for humanity's thriving. We hustle toward healing the ancestral programming of fear and step into a new understanding of safety in the body to receive this shift isn't going to only heal your life.
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Alexandria Maria
It's going to make you a whole lot richer too.
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Jessica Zweig
This is the Spiritual Hustler podcast. Well, hello my beautiful spiritual Hustlers and welcome back to the podcast. Oh my gosh, I'm feeling spring, you guys. Are you here for it? Actually, let me back up, let me back way up. I don't feel like the year starts until March. I really don't subscribe to January 1st. Like winter is winter. You're, you're not meant to like spring out, pun intended, of the new year. On January 1st new year I put in quotes and like have all this energy and birth things and get it all done. I mean I think that we can of course, but I just feel so in alignment, energetically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, to like when things start to bloom and the sun starts to shine a little bit more, like I bloom, everything feels more awake and alive. And so it's been kind of dreary in Nashville as it should be, cuz it was January, February with snow and rain, as it does during this time, this part of the world. And we have earned the birds chirping and the blue skies and the flowers starting to sprout and the 60, 70 degree weather. I am feeling a vibe today and I am very grateful that you are here listening to the Spiritual Hustler podcast. I want to welcome you if you are new to the show, if you are not new, welcome back. I'm your host, Jessica Zweig, who clearly loves to come in hot around the weather and of course, you know, not following the patriarchal rules of the Gregorian calendar and celebrate the new year. When I want to celebrate the new Year, which feels more in attunement with my feminine identity, thank you very much. And on this podcast, if you know, you know, if you don't know, I'll tell you. We talk about all things business. We go deep on strategy and leadership and revenue and branding and all of the things. And we also talk about the real shit, the shit that you probably wish more women talked about out loud. Not just dark nights of the soul and ego deaths and transformation and rebirth, which we do talk about, but we talk about platience and we talk about astrology and we talk about feng shui and we talk about the moon and we talk about angels and goddesses and the flower of life and all of the frequency tools that one can use to elevate their vibration and how to connect to the divine and the divine within you. It is really all of the above because we are multi dimensional quantum beings, we are both, and we are spiritual beings having a human experience. And so the more we click into that, the more we embody our purpose and the truth of who we came here to be, the more authentic we become. And so we unlock it all on this podcast. And I actually have two episodes I release a week, this one that you're listening to now, which is my standard weekly drop drop, and then a Thursday bonus episode every week called the Unlocking series, where we talk about all sorts of things in shorter minisodes. So make sure you come in and find me on both of the Tuesdays and the Thursday drops. And also, speaking of frequency tools, I am a huge, huge fan of Lotus Way and I have so much of it all over my house because I literally live and breathe and drink and spray and rub this brand with all of their beautiful essential oils and aura mists and flower essences tinctures that I put in my water and under my tongue. These are so powerful to have in your repertoire of spiritual tools to keep your vibration high. And I'm a really tight sister with the founder Katie Hess of Lotus Way. So a huge shout out to Katie. And because we work so closely with the brand, I have all of these beautiful aura sprays, oils and essences here at my house that if you go ahead and you leave a review on the podcast on Apple, Apple's key Apple Podcasts, five stars. Couple sentences, screenshot that and, and send it to me on a DM over on Instagram. Yes, I check my own Instagram dms if you know, you know chances of you winning are really high. I'll pick 10 winners every month. Caveat you have to be based in the United States, just so you know. And we will send you a handful of essences, just you wait. So screenshot that, send it to me on Instagram, I will get your address and we'll send you some beautiful flower essences just because we love you. And it means so much to me that you're here and that you listen to the show, that you spread the love that you're subscribed, that you leave reviews. It all matters. It helps get this message of the spiritual hustler mission out into the world. And I can't do that without you. And so it's. The least I can do is to thank you with some beautiful, beautiful gifts that keep my vibe high. And I want to share the love. So thank you to you and to Lotus Way. So I want to talk about our guest today because some women you meet and you're just like, wow, I feel so safe with you. I feel so seen by you. I feel like I could tell you anything and you would have zero judgment, but only love and compassion. And that is my guest today, Alexandria Maria. She has an amazing story of manifestation. She's a manifesting queen, and yet she's been through the real thing. And she doesn't necessarily teach manifestation like you would typically hear about that word. I think it's an, you know, beautiful word and also a little bit misunderstood and overused. And Alex really breaks it down today. And that's because she's really been through a lot herself. She, you know, has experienced prenatal depression and she went through a pretty brutal pregnancy journey. And it really gave her a lot of perspective on how she was building her business and how she was growing her platform and how it really brought her into this place of real, embodied truth where she is going at her own pace and building a business on her terms in a completely new way. And she's already been so successful and really has mastered the seven step process to manifesting your dream life. She's really conquered so much in following her own method and she's gonna break it all down for you today. Now, if you don't know who Alexandria Maria is already, let me tell you, is a powerhouse podcast host of the chart topping podcast, It's Upgrade Season. She doesn't just talk about self improvement. She is really there to lead a movement for women who are refusing to settle for ordinary. And she ranked at number 17 across Apple upon its launch. And this is really where you can go the deepest with her. I highly, highly recommend her podcast. She's a Brilliant, brilliant interviewer and has some of the most amazing women on her show. She's not just a podcast host. She is an international retreat host and visionary woman on a mission to really help women claim their wealth, their freedom, their happiness and success without ever compromising who they are. She has such a clear mission to really get you to your next level and create a life that you've always dreamed of. Because our upgrade seasons according to Alexandria starts right now. Like, right now. So without further ado, here is my amazing conversation with Alexandria.
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Alexandria Maria
Maria. Welcome, babe. So happy to have you here in the flesh.
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Katie Hess
I'm so grateful. I'm just so grateful to see you. I love being such a huge excuse.
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Alexandria Maria
Just to hang out. Sorry if you guys, you know, are listening anyway. But we're just here to chat with each other because you are one of my absolute favorite people.
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Katie Hess
Same. But also I feel like that's the best. Like, that can be in on our girl chat.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah, exactly. They can be in on our girl chat. And that's great. Let's go as deep as we want. So my first question for you, in the spirit of the Spiritual Hustler show, what are you currently spiritually hustling for?
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Katie Hess
Alex, I am currently spiritually hustling for the most exciting, aligned version of my life in this new chapter. And part of that hustle has just been deep surrender, which is hustle. Yeah, the identity shift that happened for me, it actually happened for me. Pre motherhood, I was. I was really ill in my pregnancy, having gnarly, gnarly pregnancy for 10 months. And as part of that, all the things that I kind of anchored myself to, identities, practices, everything fell away. And that only happened to a deeper level once I then had a baby. And as part of that, the identity shifted. Who I was shifted, what I wanted shifted. And yet there was part of me that wanted to grip on so tightly to everything that had come before. So a lot of that hard work has actually been letting go, stripping away layer by layer and re meeting myself in this part of my life and working out what I want. And I speak about it through the motherhood lens right now, but I do also feel like this is a process that happens to people through so many different portals of transformation. You know, a career shift, a relationship shift, a hormonal shift as women. Like, there's so many different times this can happen, but for me, the most recent has definitely been motherhood.
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Alexandria Maria
So what parts of you were you gripping onto the most?
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Katie Hess
You know, I had this amazing seven figure business I created and I was coaching women on manifestation and business strategy, and I adored it. And the primary reason for that, I remember the primary reason I started was because I had been the girl crying in the toilets at work, literally hating my life until the point I had a nervous breakdown. That was why I left corporate. And I was like, I don't want any woman to ever feel like that again. Like, I want her to know that the possibilities are endless for what she can create in her life. So it always came from that. But inevitably, there is a part of you that gets caught up in the excitement and the joy of growing and scaling and expanding. And I was just in this expansive energy where things were happening faster and faster. And I remember there was a point just before I found out I was pregnant, where I was living in Miami. I was in this beautiful penthouse apartment. We'd just done 100k week in the business. Like all these big things were happening and I was like, my life can't get. Get any better.
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Alexandria Maria
I know that feeling. Yeah.
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Katie Hess
And the universe was like, interesting. So a lot of what I had to let go of was deriving my self worth from all my achievements, the accolades, what I was creating, what I was earning, all those things, and actually strip it right back to being a human and finding my self worth and my value. Just as that. Whoo.
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Alexandria Maria
I relate. I know so many women listening do too. That journey of unraveling and coming back home to that truth that you are worthy just being yourself. What did that process look like? Can you walk us through from that kind of break down into the breakthrough? Was that when you had the baby or during the pregnancy you mentioned right before? What. What did that look like?
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Katie Hess
I always want to, like, tie things in a neat, pretty bow, but I really dedicated. This is another thing where I'm trying to strip away. I really dedicated myself to just being, like, honest. And it wasn't neat and it wasn't A to B. And it wasn't one process or one hallelujah moment. It was just a series of letting little pieces fall away, noticing how that felt, feeling the pain, feeling the grief, feeling the gripping feeling, the who am I? Like, why am I even here? Like, that was genuinely a question that I would sit with so often. I was like, why am I even here? Like, what, what, why, why? And having to sit with that and go into the pain, go into the dark tunnel. Because we're in that dark tunnel of transition and identity, death and pivot and rebirth and all these things. All we want to do is see the light.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
Yeah, well, like, someone shine me a torch, Throw me a rope. Please just do something. Like, please let me know there is a way out of here. And actually, the more you're trying to grasp for that rope, that light, whatever it may be, the more you're losing yourself because you're just going to the quickest thing or the easiest thing or the comfortable thing. And I did that so many times. I would take one step forward and two steps back because I would try and cling on to. Maybe I can just make it work. Maybe just one more program. Maybe if I change the programs, Maybe if I do this, maybe if I do that. Like, trying to. To go back into the comfort of what was known previously and then realizing it wasn't comfortable anymore. It was so uncomfortable. So it looked like just sitting in the dark and leaning into the dark more and more. And also letting go of timelines because I wanted so. But this is my Capricorn. I wanted so badly to have an end date. I wanted to know, okay, I'm fine to surrender until March. Or, like, no, honestly, I did this. I was like, I'm fine to surrender till March. And then I was like, okay, March came around. I was like, I'm not ready. I was like, we'll give it to May, literally. And then May rolled around. I'm not ready. And I was like, do you know what? We're going away. September. I will give myself to September. And I realized the more I kept putting this timeline on, the more suffocating it was and the less the process was happening. And it was literally at the point where I was like, okay, can I swear? I'm like, you can totally swear. Great. I was like, it just. The timelines, like, this is just gonna. I'm just gonna sit in the goop that it actually started to move. So letting go of that timeline as well was like, a big, big piece.
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Alexandria Maria
That's huge. That's. So the program, right? Like, I called, like, the masculine linear timeline of, like, needing it to have the checkboxes and the. And the. The. The milestones that we can, like, say that we crossed. And really, it's. The feminine is the mystery and the void and the dark muck. I've read this in certain feminine texts. Like, the womb is the tomb. Like, the death is. Right. Like, where we get born is, you know, before life even exists. And you. You know, motherhood has been such a cornerstone to your evolution, and I love following you on social media. And everyone shall go follow Alex. Once this podcast is over, we'll Link everything in the show notes. You just show up so real. Like, I, you know, I consider myself a maternal person, and I mother the world in different areas and ways that I do it, but I really bow down to moms. I can only imagine just the beautiful task that it is to raise another human and the pieces of you that you sort of lose but also gain as part of that journey. And you really are honest about the beauty and the challenges of motherhood. And what has been the biggest, most significant part of your expansion when it comes to raising your child? Like, how has it been the accelerator for the growth that you've had recently?
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Katie Hess
Thank you for that.
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Alexandria Maria
First of all, it's so true.
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Katie Hess
I. I gratefully receive that. And I also just want to say I feel like there can sometimes be this narrative that, like, motherhood is the only way to, like, experience certain things or be in that. And being a mother now, I really don't think that's the case. I think it shows up in a multitude of ways in your life. But in this particular experience of motherhood, for me, the expander has actually been being more authentically myself and accepting those parts of myself. I didn't realize how much beforehand I was pouring energy into hiding or masking parts of myself, thinking they weren't lovable or acceptable or they didn't fit a certain mold. And it's funny, because if you'd asked me beforehand, I would have said, yeah, I'm so authentically me. And I was to the ability I had the capacity I had at that point.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
But with my capacity actually getting smaller, that capacity to hold extra energy or expend extra energy hiding or masking or trying to be something I wasn't. I wasn't capable of doing it anymore. And that was actually the biggest expansion because it was like, okay, you've just got to be fully you. You know, like, I love to go deep on spirituality. And at the same time, when you mention, like, the tomb and the womb, I'm literally reading the Akhata, the Thorn and Roses series at the moment. It's become my whole personality. Oh, my God. I read that book. Everyone read that book. But there's a bit in it. And he, like, speaks about. He honors darkness, and he says the darkness is where we come from and where we return to when we die. And. But that's me. You know, there's. Part of me is, like, deep and spiritual, and part of me is just reading Fairy Smut and, like, absolutely loving it. And actually, like, that was the expander just Being. Being both parts and not wasting any energy that I didn't have on, on trying to be something that I'm just not.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah. By the way, thank you for reflecting that about your perspective on motherhood. I think it's really, it's just really significant to hear you say that. I think that there's a lot of projection, not in this space, this room, but in general, of women who have kids, who. Versus women who don't have kids. And that there's a better way, you know, or there's a. There's a distinction and a difference in what equality of life can really look like. Because I have like a little bit of insecurity about it if I'm not gonna. Not all the time, but it comes up like I have made the choice to not have children and I stand in that really powerfully 97 of the time. You know what I mean? Like, there's that 3% of me that has a little bit of concern about the, the projection and the judgment, sometimes self judgment and, and I feel like I've been a mom in past lives and I, I really am clear. Like I came into this life to mother the world in a different way. And I love children and I love and honor the motherhood journey. I admire it, I respect it, I am in awe of it. And it feels good to hear someone like you say to me like, it's not the only way as being as embodied in love with your boy as you are. I just wanted to say that that really is significant to hear as a non mom.
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Katie Hess
Well, firstly, I'm glad you have the 3% because I feel like in any decision in our life, if we're like 100%, we're a little bit psycho, you know? So like, I think it's so normal to have like the tiniest bit of like in there.
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Alexandria Maria
Question. Yeah, regret. Yeah, whatever.
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Katie Hess
Yes, totally. But like, as women, we're damned if we do, damned if you don't. Because if you're not a mum, there's judgment. Once you become a mum, there's judgment because how are you mothering? How did you birth? That was such a big thing for me, babe. Like, the pressure to birth in a certain way was just wild. There's so many different pressures and we are just damning women whatever decision they make. And I, I still remember on, on the podcast, I interviewed Sarah Jenks. She's a pre.
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Alexandria Maria
Lover.
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Katie Hess
She's. She's so amazing.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
But she spoke about. And she's a mother as well, but she spoke about how traditionally Women would decide not to have children as well as have children because there was different paths and different ways they would dedicate to themselves, to their lives. And that was just. Was what it was. It wasn't weird, it wasn't outcast, it wasn't judged, it wasn't anything. And I just feel like we had to like, re. Embrace that and recognize that and, and stop making it. I just feel like we're playing a game. You can't win sometimes. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And to feel that love, to feel that mothering, to feel that identity, death, birth, all of it. You can feel it. So many different portals. It's not just one way.
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Alexandria Maria
Absolutely. And what you're talking about, in my view, is like true sisterhood, really, to truly see that every one of us is on the same team because we're all women.
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Katie Hess
Yes.
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Alexandria Maria
Like, doesn't matter what path you take, we're all essential to the journey and the evolution of humanity, however we choose to use our time and our gifts.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
And that has been one of the things that I, I really, truly appreciate about you, again, is the way that you show up for your community in service as a mom. Like, one day you're like, showing off your beautiful new hair color and then you're like, my child barfed in my hair. You just show up in the realness. And I've known you now for a few years and you have really just expanded and taken leaps and bounds. And you talk a lot about this concept of upgrade. Right. Which is the name of your podcast, which is such an amazing podcast. You, you are such an incredible interviewer and conversationalist. I mean, I was on 100 podcasts for my book and like, yours is one of my absolute favorites.
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Katie Hess
Thank you.
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Alexandria Maria
It means the world, truly, like, just to spend the time. But the questions that you asked. But back to this concept of upgrade. What is an upgrade season? And do we have a few? Do we have many? Do we have a constant experience? Like, what does the upgrade season mean to you?
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Katie Hess
I feel like we're always in an upgrade season. And I really wanted to. I wanted people to feel they could embrace that. Like, even if they are in the muck and in the mess, they could feel like, do you know what? This gets to be an upgrade? Because it is like even our messier seasons, our upgrade seasons, as well as our bright and shiny seasons, should we call them. But the idea behind its upgrade season was really taking small shifts that could make huge changes. So no matter where you were, there was something available to you. That would upgrade your life. And I think we are in a state of constantly seeking upgrades and expansion. Like, we are designed to be in this constant state of expansion. And it's why, you know, there can be a trap with this. We have to be careful with it. But you get something that you wanted and you're like, okay, next vision, next goal, next thing. And yeah, we need to keep that in check. And it's just part of this. We, we are designed to dream, to expand, to evolve, like naturally evolve. So it was really about embracing that. And I think it's always an upgrade season, but I think maybe the speed or the level of expansion shifts just depending when you. I'm a big fan of the law of rhythms, particularly after everything I've been through. It's a spiritual law that notes the seasonality and the rhythms in life. So just as we have spring, summer, winter, autumn, we have that in our own lives. Just as a women. Those of us who have cycles, we have different moments. Ones where we're feeling hot and sexy and spicy and ready to go, and other moments where we're like, do not touch me, like, pass me the cookies and don't talk. You know, like, we have these different, these different energies. And I think we go through that in our lives. And you know, in my own life, I went through like a three year summer and then a really hard winter.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
You know, so I think there's varying degrees of, of how fast things are expanding, how fast you're upgrading. But I think we can always be in that state of recognizing that anything can be an upgrade season.
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Alexandria Maria
I love it. It's such a powerful reframe. You talk a lot about, you know, manifestation is a big part of your work. Let me just be real. I have a little bit of a funny relationship with that word. I feel like it's, it's being used in a way that isn't as grounded at times as I wish it was.
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Katie Hess
Talk to me about that. I want to hear a little bit more about this.
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Alexandria Maria
I, I feel like we're living in an amazing inflection point in humanity where we are waking up and remembering our own power.
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Katie Hess
Right.
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Alexandria Maria
Like full stop. It is such an exciting time to be alive and to know that the power of our mind, which is the only thing that we have control over is how we create a reality. It's such an unlock. Right. And people are really stepping into this understanding that we are limitless. Right. That's really what I'm here to teach through my, like Palladian, you know, alien messaging. That's, that's what they're all about. Like you are limitless as a human being. So I love it and I think it's such a important conversation. It doesn't feel as expansive for like a greater good. It's like very self servitude, you know, and not like we should all want material things and feel comfortable and have an overflowing of resources and beautiful homes and whatever, whatever success and you know, abundance looks like to us. But I think that it's a lot of context, like using our minds.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
Versus like content of like what's really going on in our programming.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
And in our bodies and feeling safe enough in the first place to like hold abundance. And that's why I wanted to ask you about it because I think your approach to it is rooted in embodiment. You know, it's really a truly grounded approach and I would love for you to kind of walk me through, you know, how because like babe, what you $12,000 a year working in corporate job to becoming like a seven figure entrepreneur. You have a beautiful man, you have, you know, all things considered, a beautiful life. And that took work. And so what has been your approach to manifestation?
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Katie Hess
Can I just say I love that you bring like the skepticism in or the. I think it's so healthy. And like even though I love manifestation, I teach manifestation. I am thrown through a skeptic like that. I will always have like a lens of skepticism. Great. That I like about. For ages I resisted it. I was like, why can't I just be this like person who instantly believes things? And actually I love it because I get to dig deeper and I get to question things. It's good to question things. It's good to look at the way things are happening. So I love that you've, you've questioned that. My approach is this. I believe that manifestation is the portal through remembering that, that any possibility is possible.
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Alexandria Maria
I just got the chills.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah, that's truth right there.
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Katie Hess
You know, remembering that we are, as you teach, limitless. These, all these things that we can create. And again, I can feel resistance to the word limitless because I'm like, okay, well you know there are, there are some limits in the world. But the thing I always come back to then is, well, there's things that exist. Even if we look in this room around us now, if we went back 500 years and I won't get into the whole like debate of whether the Egyptians secretly had like, like just if we just. Let's just do 500 years, okay. Because maybe they did have it a thousand, I don't know. But like 500 years. If we went back 500 years and we were like, oh, we have these lights that just like light up and they're like, how does that work? And like electricity. And they're like, what the hell is electricity? Or like, you know, microphone, phones, everything. That was like a possibility beyond comprehension at that point, but it was still possible. And it's the same thing now. Like, it might be beyond our comprehension now, but doesn't mean it's not possible. So I think it's really recognizing that. But in that there's also a personal journey of coming back to what is truth for you, what is aligned for you. And I think a lot of people do go into the manifestation journey, manifesting the things they think they want or the things that other people want them to want, or the things they think they should want, what, you know, basically not what they actually want. And I actually think that in itself can hold power though, because there's two options. One, you manifest it and you realize you're not happy and you're not aligned and you're not fulfilled and you're like, okay, we got a course correct here.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
Or the second one, you begin that journey, you begin that process. And in that process, because to me, the first step of manifestation is always having clarity. So knowing what, what it is you actually want in that process, you're like, hang on a minute, I don't actually want these things. And feeling that in their body, in your body. I still remember my first business was a product based business. It was a healthy business. And the first sign I knew that I didn't want to run that business was I was doing my vision board and I was put. Trying to put these images based on that business on the board. I just felt like heavy inside. And I didn't feel excited, I didn't feel lit up, I didn't feel that spark. I just felt heavy. And that was my sign. That was my sign that this wasn't what I wanted. So I think there is still a way through for people. But sometimes it does require going through the first step of thinking that you just want, I don't know, the nice car, the nice house, a nice. And there's nothing wrong with those things, but like.
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Alexandria Maria
Right.
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Katie Hess
It's often not the actual thing that you want. Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
So how does one tap into like your process? You have a seven step process or you've talked about that. What are those seven steps?
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Katie Hess
Yeah. So the first step is clarity.
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Alexandria Maria
Clarity.
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Katie Hess
I feel like we talk about clarity a lot, but it's rare that we're actually honest with ourselves. Truly honest. What we want the version that we might be really embarrassed to share in public. Resistance. So working through resistance. Yes. Looking at things like limiting beliefs. But I actually don't believe that you have to completely believe in yourself to make things happen. Say that.
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Alexandria Maria
Say more about that.
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Jessica Zweig
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
So I. And I will hold my hands up. For years, I was teaching manifestation. Oh, self belief, believing yourself. And there is truth in that. Of course, if you believe in something, it's easier to make it happen. Things align. Yeah, sure. But when I look back on my own journey and so many of my friends, when I speak to them who have got, you know, incredible accomplishments, I'm like, did you actually believe in yourself? Did you actually believe this, this was possible? They're like, hell, no.
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Alexandria Maria
Yes. I. So I so resonate with that.
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Katie Hess
Right.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah, absolutely.
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Katie Hess
Exactly.
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Alexandria Maria
Very true.
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Katie Hess
So I've had to check myself and be like, hang on a minute. Rewind. You don't need to believe in yourself. You don't have to believe fully. It's possible. But the vision has to be bigger than the resistance, and you have to start taking action even if you don't fully believe yet. And the belief will start to come because it's hard. It's hard to believe without evidence. We've got to honor that a little bit more.
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Alexandria Maria
I feel like I'm a. I'm a fake it till you make it. Like, case study.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
You know, like, I. People ask me, I so relate to what you said about your friends. Like, if you would have told me five, six years ago that I would have this, I would have, like, laughed at your. Your face. I would have cried probably.
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Jessica Zweig
Like, there's no way.
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Alexandria Maria
That's not me. That's never gonna happen. But you're right. You just put one foot in front of the other until you do start to believe. Like, belief comes later. I've never really, like, put it that way.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
But that's such a powerful reframe.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
To just get the. Out of your own way and take action so you have clarity, resistance.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
Then your ask.
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Katie Hess
So really putting it out there, Putting it out there in. To the universe, but also putting out there to. To friends, support groups, like, whoever. And I say support groups because I know not everyone has friends and family who are supportive of their dream and goals and aspirations. But wherever you can just starting to plant those seeds and miracles happen from that alone. You Know, like, I've had conversations with friends and I'm like, oh, you know, I've got this dream. And they're like, oh, I know, so and so let me hook you up.
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Alexandria Maria
Or. Right.
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Katie Hess
You know, even in a mastermind I used to run, I always remember that was a service based mastermind, so service based businesses in general. And one woman just said, you know, but I really want to write a play and I really want to get it on tv. And another woman was like, my friend works in TV production and hook them up. And like, you know, just things happen when you put it out there, but also you put it up there. So your ask, your. Your declaration and then start. Start as a big one. Take action. Take those steps. I. One of my big bugbears with the manifestation teachings is this false narrative that you can just sit on your meditation cushion and visualize and you open your eyes and it's like, Amazon prime has delivered your manifestation. And you're like, ah, check me out. I'm so good at visualization. I'm so good at manifestation. Everything's good, right? You know, like, no, it doesn't happen that way. Actually. You're sat on the meditation cushion, you hear this whisper and it tells you to go do this big fucking scary thing. And you take a deep breath and you're like, okay, my. My pants, but I'm gonna go do it. And that is actually how the manifestation starts to come into place through. Through the action as well. So take an action. Starting actually doing something. Next step is trust.
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Alexandria Maria
Gosh, that's like the flex of life is trust.
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Katie Hess
And, and also the duality, because you're taking the action, but you're not guaranteed an outcome just because you've taken some action.
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Alexandria Maria
Right, exactly.
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Katie Hess
You know, you can be throwing all this energy out there, hoping something comes back, something might not come back for a really long time, and you gotta hold on and ride the waves. Yeah, and. And really trust in the process of not just how things are unfolding for you, but who you're becoming in that process.
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Alexandria Maria
Isn't that the whole point? In a way? Like, it's not just about the destination. And going back to what I was saying about my like, funniness around that word. It's like, like, we'll get the thing we want and then what? Like, it's really not about the destination. It's about the journey and holding the frequency of joy, of magnetism, of possibility, of limitlessness. Like, to me, that's really what I think is the beauty of the manifestation process. And it's so focused, broadly speaking, on, like, end goal, end goal. That. That's a powerful point. Like, put it out there. Take. I love your steps. And the thing might not come to you for a year, three years, you know, 10 years might come in a month, but, like, you get to choose who you. You get to live your life every day. You have to live your life every day. And I think the ultimate aim is. Is to really be enjoying the process.
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Katie Hess
I love that you brought this up. Like, love, love this. I remember saying, the joy is in the trying. And it really. It really stuck with me. I was like, oh, the joy is in the trying. And actually some of the times I felt most alive and lit up was not when I had the results.
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Alexandria Maria
Right.
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Katie Hess
I was so alive and fiery and creative and passionate. And I was like, that was the fun part. That was the real. Not actually getting the thing or achieving the thing or doing the thing. And I. I always have this analogy in my. In my mind where I think of, like, a mountain that we're climbing, and like, you think the whole goal is to get to the peak, but actually the joy is in the walk, the journey, the hike, the looking around, taking the view as you go, the company you keep, like, all these things. And I think we have to remember that because then the flip is also true where people are so peak oriented, so goal oriented, that they're just going, going, going for the goal, and then they get to the goal and they look around and there's no one left, or they.
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Alexandria Maria
They're not as happy as they thought they would be. I mean, that's really, again, my issue with the word, because I. I climbed that mountain, Alex, you know that to get to the peak, I was all about the peak.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
I reached it. I was at the peak of my success. And I had never been more miserable inside, and I had manifested so much.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
You know, so I think this process just, it's. It's not just what we achieve, but it's. It's really the point is who we become, you know, and it's really the. The game and to look around and to enjoy your life, like, and the busiest, most fruitful parts of my journey, I was like, I didn't enjoy this. Like, did I actually enjoy the journey? But this process is beautiful. And so you ha. You have to start trust. And then what.
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Katie Hess
The last is less of a final step.
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Alexandria Maria
Okay.
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Katie Hess
More of, like an overarching step. It's really being in a frequency of gratitude and acknowledgment because exactly what you said. Like, if you're keeping your happiness at arm's length and saying, do you know what? When I get that, I'm going to be happy, well, what about the reality you're going to live in between now and then?
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
And I really think gratitude's the magic. And again, a place where manifestation can be a really beautiful healing process because you can actually start to appreciate what is already in your life and your current version of your reality, whilst also desiring something else.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
It doesn't have to be I'm in misery and therefore I'm going to get to this place. It can be like, no, there's real beauty here. And it. I think it links to what you're saying about the journey, though, as well, because two big regrets I have from the last business I had was not celebrating enough. I look back and I see so many insane things I achieved, and I didn't landmark them or celebrate them anywhere near enough because I always thought it was too busy or there was something else that needed doing or another pull on my focus or energy or attention. And also I see people now celebrating those kind of things. I'm like, I wish I'd celebrated that a bit more. I wish. So, like, that's something that I'm really consciously curating. Like, a lot more celebration for, like, even the little moments, but also just the appreciation of. Of what it is right now. And things shift as well when you're in that. Because I always give this example because I think it's. I think often in manifestation, there's these big, lofty examples, and it's. And it's a very real example, I think, for a lot of people's realities. When I was setting up my first business, I was working every job I could get my hands on that was flexible, that could bring me in a little bit of cash and then I could pour into my business. And one of those jobs was being a promo girl. So I would literally hand out flyers.
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Alexandria Maria
I've been a promo girl, too.
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Katie Hess
Yes. I love this, of course. So, like, you get it. Like, you're on your feet for, like, 12 hours. People are either flirting with you, talking to you like shit, talking to you like you're the dumbest thing on the planet.
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Alexandria Maria
Yep.
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Katie Hess
Like, there's a whole range. Of course, there's the occasional nice human, but in general, you don't get the best treatment. Yes. And, you know, it's long hours, the pay is not amazing, and it's also great because it's flexible and all the rest of it. So I'm doing these promo girl shifts, and I'm like, I'm so miserable. I hate being a promo girl. This is so annoying. And I remember getting to this point, I was like, enough, Alex. And this is another thing I feel like people don't talk about enough. Like, often my biggest, like, shifts in life have come when I've actually just got sick of my own.
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Alexandria Maria
Yes.
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Katie Hess
Where I'm just like, enough. Like, I've had enough of you to myself, girl, we gotta get it together. So I reached that point, and I remember so clearly getting out a journal and putting in the middle all the reasons why I'm so grateful to be a promo girl. And I wrote down all these things. I used to meet the most amazing women being a promo girl because all these women had big dreams, big goals that they were moving towards. And this was just part of their journey in the. In their journey there. So many of them were into, like, spirituality. And we'd have these amazing chats about all things spirituality and mysticism. Like, all these amazing things whilst we were working together. Occasionally there were amazing events. I got to go to things like this. So I wrote the flexibility to run my own business. I wrote down all these things. I kid you not. Everything shifted from that moment.
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Alexandria Maria
Wow.
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Katie Hess
I started to land all the personal development events. So I was literally getting to. To sit in on events I would have wanted to pay to go to listening to these aspirational speakers. And I was getting to just stand there for free and get. Get paid for it. Yeah, we'd get giving goodie bags. I. I just started to land the most amazing. I'd get place with my friends. Like, just the most amazing shifts started to happen. And that was all just from sitting down and me going, like, no, I'm gonna find all the reasons I'm grateful for this. And everything shifted from there. No, it wasn't the end goal, but.
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Alexandria Maria
The reality shifted that I have full body chills. That is such a powerful example. Because when you put the frequency of gratitude and it's as simple as writing it down. I mean, I love your whole process, like, every single step. But gratitude really is, like, what is already here. And how can I truly appreciate and lean in and not want for anything more? And then the universe sends you more. It's. It's kind of magical, like how the universe actually works.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
And this is why I love processes like your. Like, there is real merit to putting tactical pen to paper and consciousness and intention behind your life. And everything shifts. I mean, that is Just, I love that you shared that story. I have a very similar story where it was the brokest of the broken and I literally had no money and I thanked the universe in a journal or like, I think I said it out loud on my knees to God, like, all the things that I'm thankful for. And literally my financial situation started turning around, like, two weeks later.
- [42:51]
Katie Hess
Oh, my God, I love that.
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Alexandria Maria
You know, like, I just. I think it's so powerful for people to hear that this works.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
And you really have to put your heart into it, you know, because it's not just the thinking, but it's the feeling. And that's what gratitude does.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
It opens up your heart space.
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Katie Hess
I can so hard relate to that example, by the way.
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Alexandria Maria
Really?
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Katie Hess
This is so funny. I was getting to the money manifestation thing, and I was like $20,000 in debt at least. Like, I was in my overdraft. Do you have overdrafts over here?
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Jessica Zweig
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
So I was in my overdraft all the time. Yeah. So, like, I. I remember I was like starting the money manifestation journey, and I would have like $2 left in my over of my overdraft. It wasn't even cash. It was overdraft, limit left. And I'd be like. Like, I am so grateful for my $2. But like, I was feeling it. Like I was hardcore feeling. And then as part of that process, you know, you take inventory, you get clear on everything. I was like, right. How much money do I owe? I, like, made a solid plan to consolidate all my credit cards into a loan. I'd pay it off over two years. I paid back that money in two months. But it was the gratitude.
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Alexandria Maria
Yes, it was.
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Katie Hess
And people think you could think I'm crazy what you want, but I was sat there thanking myself for that $2 of overdraft limit left.
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Alexandria Maria
If not crazy. It's brilliant. And it' the un. It's the unlock. It's the power of our minds and our energy and getting into alignment with that frequency of gratitude. I love. I totally believe that. It's an amazing, amazing story. I want to ask you, just this whole phenomenal ride that you've been on and you've learned and grown and served so much. And I know that the. The motherhood portal for you has been absolutely life changing. What does success look like to you now? What does your business look like now? How does life really feel for you today? Like, versus this very profound and expansive journey you've been on for a long time?
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Katie Hess
It felt very static. It felt like Grief. It felt like, is there any more to let go of? And I just wanted to share that because it doesn't feel that way now. It feels expansive. It feels really exciting. I feel like I have such a fire in my belly. I think the big shift now is recognizing. I remember being in a ceremony years ago, and I pulled this card and it said, I am a creator. And I feel like that's what I'm returning to through this motherhood portal. Really going back to being a creator and honoring that creativity and that spark and following that spark a lot more and trusting that a lot more. I think something can that happen for me, but I think it happens for a lot of people is in the journey of success, we lose the initial spark that led us absolutely on the path that we're on. And so to me, it's all about returning to that spark right now and just following that.
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Alexandria Maria
You found it. Your podcast is on fire. How are you serving women today?
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Katie Hess
I'm serving women in person, so doing retreats in person, which I absolutely adore. I'm going to shift it slightly next year, I think. So in person through the podcast, you know, for sure. Like that. Really going all in. Really all in. And giving that so much love and attention and. Yeah, that's the two main ways right now. That feels good to me right now. I'm also doing things in the background, so I'm kind of. I'm working on some things in the background which are way more, like, creative. I'm writing a lot, so are you. Yeah. So I'm feeling that's something that I really want to return to for a long time. And again, something I lost because I was always told it wasn't the best use of my time. The thing that would make the most money, like, you know, all these things. And actually it's something that I love. I really, really love and something I'm really passionate about. So I'm kind of returning to that in the background and creating space to do so.
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Alexandria Maria
It sounds like you're in a real season of simplicity and peace. And I think we have to go through the. The fire often to end up there and to really streamline what really matters. And watching you become a mom like you, it's empowering and a permission slip, whether back to our. Our earlier part of our conversation. You are sovereign over your own life, and you can choose to, you know, prioritize whatever feels good to you in that particular season and let go of what is no longer in alignment. And I know this motherhood portal for you has really gotten you so much clarity to just focus on what really lights you up. And I think we value the spark so much more once we've.
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Katie Hess
When we lost it a thousand percent. And, you know, you asked me earlier, what's your version of success now? I think you nailed it. Simplicity. Peace. Yeah. You know, like, that's so golden. That is so valuable because life. One thing I've learned over the last few years is life is gonna throw you situations, shall we say? You know, it's gonna throw energy at you. And literally your life can change in the blink of a moment, and everything you think is solid is no longer solid. And it's taught me so much more to appreciate and just, like, bask and bathe in those moments of peace and simplicity and just, like, really, really sit in those and allow those to be in a really beautiful way.
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Alexandria Maria
I was talking to a friend who's in feng shui, and she's like, you know, people hire me to make more money, like, to help them adjust their homes for abundance. She's like, but I'm not really helping them with abundance. I'm helping them with. With peace. Like, that's really, I think, what success feels like ultimately, you know.
- [48:43]
Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
Like, there's. There's no better experience than just feeling safe and secure and content.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
With where you are and what you have without striving for more.
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Katie Hess
Totally. You know, whilst also allowing one foot in each, you know, allowing yourself to dream and. But not. Not feeling like you need it. Yeah. Like, it has to be.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
And also I think to that point as well, you know, like, talking about abundance, like, abundance is simplicity. It is like, I feel way less abundant with more things.
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Alexandria Maria
It's so true. It's so true.
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Katie Hess
Yeah. Than when I have less. Because when you have more, constantly your brain's busy. There's like a busyness that comes and you can't appreciate anything. It's. There's not that space for things. You to breathe. Things to breathe. So, like, I do think it comes down to that. I love that she put it that way. The piece and, yeah. The simplicity.
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Alexandria Maria
So you have this beautiful podcast. The conversation is all around upgrade. What would you say to someone listening if they're really in a dip and they don't feel like they're upgrading at all?
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Katie Hess
Girl, I feel. First thing, I'd say, see you.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah, right. What would you say to her?
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Katie Hess
First of all, I just say, I see you and, like, just let yourself be in the dip a little bit as well. I mean, I'M definitely cautious sometimes of advising action. I think we can sometimes skip the actions. Sometimes we just need to be in the dip. So, like, maybe you're in a season where you need to be in the dip, and that's okay. Trust. That is an upgrade. It's just, you're in the process.
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Alexandria Maria
No need to market till May and then September.
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Katie Hess
Exactly. You know, you're. You're the. The. The caterpillar that's gone into the chrysalis. You're in the chrysalis turning to goop. That's what happens before the. The caterpillar becomes a butterfly. But if you're feeling like, no, I'm ready to get the goop. I'm ready to start taking some action. Really starting to tune back into yourself and your body and how you feel, because that is the biggest barometer of what is aligned and what isn't aligned. And alignment isn't this attunement that we get to and then we stay there for the rest of our life. Life. It's this constant, gentle recalibration. And sometimes we need to completely change course. Sometimes it's like, no about turn. Like we're in completely the wrong direction. Everything needs to change. But more often than not, it's just like, slight recalibrations. Slight recalibrations because we do evolve, we do change. We do shift things in our life shift. We need to learn to move with them rather than trying to resist them. So just tuning into your body and noticing where is that alignment, of course. And. And just really taking inventory and noticing everything you do, every interaction you have. How are you feeling when you call that friend or you text that friend? How are you feeling when you eat that meal? How are you feeling when you listen to that podcast or watch that Netflix show or drink that wine or whatever it may be? How are you feeling when you drive to work or sit down at your laptop? Like, really just starting to take inventory. Because it's not until we know where the. The recalibration needs to take place that we can actually recalibrate and that we can actually start to tune into what a yes feels like as well.
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Alexandria Maria
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
So notice the yeses. And then it's just like, okay, well, how do I create more of this in those other areas?
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Alexandria Maria
Beautiful. I want to ask you one more question about motherhood, because I, again, I told you I have a lot of women who listen, who are. Who are in that stage of life. And, you know, I really look at you, and I'm like, you're so you're in this beautiful place of joy and embodiment and peace. And it wasn't always like this. You went through a really rough go.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
And there's women out there who have lost their identities or are struggling with postpartum, or who are just feeling like they cannot hold it all. And I don't necessarily think you have to have a baby to feel like you've lost pieces of yourself and you can't handle it all. But in the vein of motherhood, how did you find yourself? What would you say to her? To really come home, to give herself a bit of a break? Because you're really on the other side of it, Alex. You're so vibrant, and I know that took a lot of work. So what would you say to her?
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Katie Hess
First of all, it's so normal. I think when you're in it, you feel like everyone else has their shit together and you are just this, like, I used to refer to myself as scrambled eggs. This just kind of, like, messy mix of, like, not knowing what things are. So first of all, just knowing it's completely normal to feel this way. And then there's. There's real duality in my answer, because part of my answer is, let go of who you were. And it's okay if that takes time, it's okay if there's grief in that, but really just start to let go of who you are and stop holding on to that and welcome in who you're becoming. But then the duality in that is also remember who you were. You know, don't just lose all these parts of yourself. We've associated the mother with the martyr for so long and really held women up the more they have martyred themselves. But why? Like, that makes no sense. So we keep women small and miserable. And I remember really feeling when I had my son, there was a certain sense of, okay, my life doesn't matter now because my life has ended, and now I'm just here to raise this other life. And I was like, hang on a minute. No, if. If I have a son. But, like, if I had a daughter and she just had a child and she told me my life doesn't matter now it's all about his life or her life. I'd be mortified. So why am I doing that for my child? No. So, like, straddling both sides, letting go of who you were, but also remembering who you are and stepping into who you might be. And then just like, one very practical piece of advice there is just do less. Like. Like, it's it's so. I was so good at just getting loads of shit done before I became a mum. Like, just here, there, everywhere. Just like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I am not like that anymore. Maybe I'll get it back. Maybe I never will. Who knows? But, like, I cannot do everything and I do not try. I just focus on the things I am most passionate about, most aligned with, and that are most important and that are actually going to move the needle and everything else falls away and that's okay. Or I get help. Like, get help. You know, like, just do less.
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Alexandria Maria
Girl, that. That is an upgrade. Yes. All of that. Like, you have upgraded. That is such profound advice. I. I needed to hear that today. Frankly, I really. I think we as women have a tendency to just put a lot of people in front of us and over give and over deliver and there's magic in the. The less the simplicity, like we were saying. And to just give yourself a break is like, is the upgrade.
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Katie Hess
That's the advice. Give yourself a break. Yourself a. I love it.
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Alexandria Maria
It's amazing. So people can go find you on your podcast.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
- [56:05]
Alexandria Maria
Where else can they find you?
- [56:06]
Katie Hess
I'm over on Instagram, probably more than I should be.
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Alexandria Maria
I'm saying I love it there, though.
- [56:10]
Katie Hess
No, I'm. I am Alexandria Maria, so everyone should go follow you.
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Alexandria Maria
Listen to your amazing podcast. You have, like, the wind down. You like it? I just love the way you structure your show. It's so well done. You always were pink. Why pink?
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Katie Hess
Do you. I. I am so beige and my house is beige. And, like, I fully own that in beige. I'm actually not beige today, but, like, I'm very beige and. But I do, like, a pop of pink. Yeah. I don't know why. It's just so good. So I was like, let's make it girly and fun. And also I just wanted personal development to feel fun again, you know, Like, I feel sometimes it can feel so serious.
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Alexandria Maria
Totally.
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Katie Hess
And like, I would sometimes put a podcast on and feel like I was about to receive a lecture and I was like, hang on, I don't want to receive a lecture. I want to feel like I'm having. This is what I love about your podcast. Like, I feel like I'm sitting here with you and, like, having a chat with the girls, and I'm like, that's what I want to listen to.
- [57:01]
Alexandria Maria
Totally.
- [57:02]
Katie Hess
So, yeah, the pink felt thumb, it's perfect.
- [57:04]
Alexandria Maria
And you're masterful at that. I have a few final quick fire questions for you. So I love that you're a spiritual girly like me. Do you have a favorite spiritual teacher or book that has really shaped you?
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Katie Hess
I don't know if you'd refer to her as a spiritual teacher, but, like, a book that I really just remember having constant chills, reading was Untamed. Glenn and Oil.
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Alexandria Maria
Oh, totally. She's a spiritual teacher.
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Katie Hess
I mean, I feel like she's just so real, though, as well, you know.
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Alexandria Maria
Her writing is codes.
- [57:33]
Katie Hess
Oh, literally.
- [57:34]
Alexandria Maria
She's profound.
- [57:35]
Katie Hess
The example at the start of Untamed, she talks about Tabitha, and she was like, I can't remember the exact lane, but, you know, it was like, she's never meant to be in a cage. You're.
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Alexandria Maria
You're a cheater.
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Katie Hess
You're meant to be like that. Just like.
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Jessica Zweig
Yeah.
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Katie Hess
So that book. I just feel like all women need to read that book.
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Alexandria Maria
I could not agree more. Yeah, that book is a really magical book. If there's a reason why that book popped off in the way that it did and exploded her. Like, her message in that book is for all women to read.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
A thousand percent love, love, love, love her voice. Okay. Do you have an angel or a goddess archetype or, like, a deity or an ancestor or some ethereal being that you call on or work with or feel close to?
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Katie Hess
I think recently what's really been calling to me is more of, like, the Mary Magdalene. I'm, like, really curious about the way that women have been written consciously out of the Bible and, like, things were destroyed. I love, like, ancient history as well, so it definitely appeals to that part of me. So, yeah, I'm really. I'm just very, like, curious around not just her and her energy, but also, like, what she represents in terms of women and how we have been removed out of a narrative and also how it's very political as well, you know, particularly in the landscape we're living in, in this day and age where. Where women's rights are being removed and things like this. I think she's very relevant right now. So, yeah, I think she's probably right now the one that I'm feeling most call to.
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Alexandria Maria
I love that. Do you believe in aliens?
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Katie Hess
Yes.
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Alexandria Maria
I know you do. I knew the answer to that.
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Katie Hess
I went UFO watching a Sedona recently. Stop it. So good. So good. Yeah. Did you see any? Oh, we saw, like. We saw stuff. We had night vision goggles. You could see lights.
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Alexandria Maria
Dude, this was in Sedona.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
We have to talk offline. I want you to tell me exactly where this was, because I'm gonna go.
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Katie Hess
You would die.
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Alexandria Maria
I know I would.
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Katie Hess
D they take you out in the night? It's pitch black. You're on this little, like, golf cart. It's like, it's. Baby, you gotta do it. It's insane.
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Alexandria Maria
I mean, I don't know how people don't believe in them, frankly. It's not even about believing in the. In, like, the weirdness of aliens that, like, lights me up. It's, like, not that they're weird, just the. The infinite nature of. Of the universe, you know, and that we're one tiny little part of it. I just think it's one of the most exciting things about being a human, is to tap into that.
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Katie Hess
I love that. And it makes all our problems feel so small.
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Alexandria Maria
Exactly.
- [60:01]
Katie Hess
I love remembering how tiny I am.
- [60:03]
Alexandria Maria
Exactly.
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Katie Hess
Makes me feel so good.
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Alexandria Maria
Were you at all, like, freaked out when you went and saw them in Sedona? Was that.
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Katie Hess
I'll be honest. They, like, build it up, and you're stood in the pitch black. Literally the pitch black in the middle of nowhere with, like, no humans around you. And I was a bit freaked. I'm not gonna lie.
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Alexandria Maria
I would have been, too.
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Katie Hess
Yeah. So I will. I won't lie. There was bits where I was a bit free, but, like, the woman was so in tune, and she. You would have loved her. She just kept talking about, like, not being in fear, going into your heart frequency, and, like, when you're in the heart frequency, like, they can't latch onto your fear, like. Because she was, like. She was very honest. She was like, there's good spirits, but also there's, like, not so great spirits here. Like, and if we're calling in spirits, there's gonna be different energies that come here, you know?
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Alexandria Maria
Wow.
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Katie Hess
And they tell you all the stories about, like, the cars stopping and, like, them fiddling with the engines and, like, so many. So they build up as they telegraph. Good story. So you're building up. You're dropped in the middle of nowhere. See, I was a little bit freaked, I'm not gonna lie. But it was great. I did. I've just. I've just got to tell you this so quickly. I did also. The first night I was in Sedona, I was by myself because Jake. Jake was driving in, and I had Leo with me, but I was. It was me and Leo in the room, and I slept with the lights on because I thought the aliens were.
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Alexandria Maria
Gonna come get me. I would probably do the same exact thing, honestly.
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Katie Hess
Are you such a jumpy sleeper? And I was like, the aliens. I'm In Sedona, of course I'm gonna get abducted by aliens. I was like, I'm just gonna sleep as if the lights were gonna prevent the aliens, you know, so even, like.
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Alexandria Maria
Be able to see you better with the lights.
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Katie Hess
Exactly. It was very. A beacon. Here I am. Come get me. So, yeah, that was my first time Sedona.
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Alexandria Maria
I have to tell you, Alex, I ask every single person this question on this podcast, and this is my favorite answer.
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Katie Hess
Sorry, everyone's meant to be quick. And I'm like, we're all we have.
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Alexandria Maria
No, this is perfect. Perfect people are like, yes, no. And then we move on to the next. This is my favorite answer I've gotten on this fucking podcast. Okay, final question. They're not really quick fire questions. They're like deeper questions. When you really think about it, what does it mean to you to be a co. Creator of the new Earth?
- [62:08]
Katie Hess
The immediate answer that comes to me is actually caring about the Earth again and remembering that. That we come from her and we are in many ways borrowing her and. And she is mothering us, and we need to honor that relationship a lot more and honor her. Yeah, that's. That's what comes to me first and foremost.
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Alexandria Maria
I knew I loved you. You're such a sister. Love. That answer that, like, pierced my heart. It's the truest thing ever.
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Katie Hess
I'm excited for you to go live in the trees, babe.
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Alexandria Maria
Oh, my gosh. I'm counting on the minute I'm going to become one with, like, the wilderness. I. I'm so excited for the wildlife.
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Katie Hess
I feel like you won't die. You'll just. She just merged into the trees one day, basically.
- [62:50]
Alexandria Maria
But I'm not. If you. If you want to find me, you'll have to come deep into the woods. These. That's. That's my new reality.
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Katie Hess
I love this.
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Alexandria Maria
I'm. All I want to be is in Gaia. She's our mother.
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Katie Hess
Yeah.
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Alexandria Maria
She calls us. She's calling us home. To connect with her, to restore her, to love her, to remember that we are a piece of her. Thank you for that answer.
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Katie Hess
Thank you for everything you do. I'm obsessed with you. I'm.
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Alexandria Maria
No, I'm obsessed. I don't want this to be over. I just want to hang out with you more. But we're going to thank you for being here. You're brilliant. You're pure light. You walk through spiritual hustle. This is the exact kind of message I want to bring to my community of women who have really remembered their power in their feminine power, who are living life on their own terms, who are being of service, who just know the values of manifestation, doing it in a different way. I'm just truly grateful you came and thank you.
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Katie Hess
I can't thank you enough. It's not even a light. It's like a beacon that you're just blasting out into the world. And I've just seen it. It was already bright and now it's just like ablaze and it's, and it's so powerful and beautiful to see. And what's so beautiful is I feel, feel like you're just the embodiment of like, you can be creating big change and, and sharing big light and spreading that and also so deeply fulfilled on like a personal level and, and just seeing the two, you do both is so, so incredible. So thank you.
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Alexandria Maria
I received that. Thank you. Thank you for bringing your beautiful duality as well today.