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Jessica Zweig
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This is the Spiritual Hustler Podcast.
Jessica Zweig
Well, hello, my beautiful spiritual Hustlers, and welcome back to the the podcast. I am your host, Jess. And as always, I am so blessed. I am so grateful. I am so lit up. I am so freaking excited to be with you. I really want you to know that every time I come on the microphone, whether it's here alone in my studio or it's with a guest, I know you. I feel you. I feel you because I am you. We're all so connected and the same. And I don't believe you would be listening to the Spiritual Hustler podcast in the first place if we weren't on the same frequency. And so, as you'll hear soon in my incredible conversation today with my incredible guest, who I'm going to introduce you to in just a few minutes, we opened up the field to connect with all of you. This is going to be a very different kind of episode. And I really hope that by the end of this episode, once you listen to the channeling and the opening and the messages that have come through from me and my guests to each and every one of you, you understand just how truly connected we all are. And when we link arms and come together as women of this consciousness, we rise higher. I really believe that's the game that we're all here to play as women. When I rise, you rise, we all rise. And I'm thrilled that you've made it onto my podcast at this moment. If you are new, welcome. And if you are not new, welcome back. You know that on the Spiritual Hustler, we talk about all things business and all things spirituality, and we blend the two because I don't believe they're mutually exclusive. All in service of the divine feminine. You, me, all of us as women on this planet at this time, rising higher together and doing our work from love and doing it for a deeper purpose, to bring back down or maybe bring back up, new earth consciousness, where everyone gets to win and it all gets to be easy. That is the true game that I'm here to play, and I know you are, too. And with the support of my guest today, you're going to learn that it's actually possible. Now, before I get into introducing my sister, my teacher, my guide, my secret weapon, which you're going to hear about today, I just want to speak to this energy of aliveness and momentum and connection, because there's a lot happening in the ether right now, and so much of it is because we are coming up upon the Lunar New year happening on February 17, right? And it's the year of the Fire Horse. And we all know that the last time this happened was 60 years ago in 1966. Most of us will never get this again in our lifetimes. And I do believe that the year of the Fire Horse, because it is fire alchemization, regeneration, burning away what no longer serves us so that we can run, we can ride, we can dance, we can be gorgeously unbothered. As I've been saying, in the first place, freedom it is to be ourselves, shine our light, use our gifts, make money with our dharma. I know that's why you come to this podcast, to learn how to do more of all of that. I have decided I got the biggest download a couple months ago to prepare us all for this threshold. And so on February 10th, 11th and 12th, if you haven't seen it yet on Instagram or my email list or wherever, you might catch it. If you haven't caught it yet, well, you're gonna catch it. I am hosting a three day global masterclass, Fire Horse Medicine Activation on February 10th, 11th and 12th called the Feminine Wealth Ignite. It is three days in a row. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at 12pm Central Time. I'm coming on and teaching for 90 minutes, three days in a row, taking you through a portal. Day one is going to be all around identity, becoming her, the Fire Horse woman you have been destined to become your entire timeline up until now. This is the year you are going to activate her. And you have to look at your shadows and you have to look at your blocks, and you have to look at what's possible when you claim her. Because being a successful female entrepreneur today is all around identity. Now on day two, we're going to talk about how you build the business that carries her, her being you. Because once you've locked in to knowing exactly who you came here to be, you've got to build an engine, a horsepowered engine, to get you from where you are to where you want to be. And we're going to break down the new way to build a business that doesn't run your life anymore and run you over, but fuels your life. And I'm going to be walking you through a tactical business plan and system and strategy that allows you to actually make more money, to ignite your wealth with less effort, I'm giving you guys the cheat codes, okay. To how I have built this for myself. And on day three, we're partnering with the unseen realms to guide her. And I'm taking it home on day three in the most spiritually unapologetic situation ceremony to show you exactly how to open up your channel to connect to your spirit animal guides. This is going to be a shift in the ether. We have 10,000 women who are coming to this. It is totally free. And I really know that if you're hearing this message at this time, you were meant to be there. And you must be there because like I said, when I rise, you, you rise. We all rise. That is how we are all going to break through to our next level and quantum upgrade our entire identities, businesses and lives. So I'm going to leave a link here in the show notes. It's totally free, like I said, and I cannot wait to be with you on February 10th, 11th and 12th. Block your calendar. Make sure you've cleared those afternoons so that we can all be in the sacred energy together. Now, speaking of sacred energy, let's talk about my guest today. It doesn't even feel appropriate to call her my guest today because she was my guide today. She was going to be your guide today. She is a sister of mine that I have now known for over a year. Going on a year and a half, she came into my world on a zoom call. We'll talk about that today. And Amy Gatzert ended up coming to my world retreat in Mexico. She signed up for Claim youm Light, which is my one's annual retreat. And once my retreat was over, she continued coaching with me inside of my seven Sisters Mastermind, where I coach in depth. Seven women. And we end our experience going to Avalon in the UK outside of London, in the English countryside, Amy and I had a sole remembrance working with each other. While I helped Amy with her beautiful brand, her website, her messaging, her offers, her confidence and visibility. Amy activated me because, you know, this is the beautiful thing and you hear me talk about it a lot on this podcast of sisterhood. When you get to be in real relationship of reciprocity and generosity and mutual reflection and activation of one another's gifts. It's like the greatest outcome, if you will, of my entire career. In the last few years since I started my third business is looking around the women that I call, quote, unquote, clients, and they become my closest sisters and I get to become their clients. And it creates this infinity loop of service and abundance and impact for everyone. And Amy is an Akashic record reader who is by far one of the most coded and open channels of anyone I've ever met. And I have worked with a lot of spiritual teachers and guides and mystics and people of the healing arts professionally. And nobody holds a candle to Amy's gifts specifically when it comes to being a world creator, a female entrepreneur, a woman with a mission. And I believe that if you're listening to my show, that is you. And I have been so impacted by Amy's presence in my life that I have brought her into my business and my world to support my growth and evolution and vision. I actually don't believe that you only need to bring people on your team who are operations and project management, creative designers and copywriters and marketing officers and financial advisors. Like, we need all of that. Great. It's important, it's essential. But if you're really a woman of the new earth, creating world disrupting business and vision, we have to be working with higher dimensional information. And Amy is a conduit to the Akashic records, which she's going to explain today, that have the ability to affirm or deny decisions, actions, choices, strategies, launches from the records from your guides. Whether or not this is a yes or a no, I have been mulling over a pretty big vision that was sort of deeply seated inside of my subconscious mind for a while about where I'm taking my business, like over the next three, five, ten years. But I couldn't put words to it. And in working with Amy, because she connects to the Akashic, her guides, my guides, the angelic realm. In just a few months, I have been able to crystallize, articulate, and actually put down on paper my entire business plan for the next three, five, ten years. And I could not have done that without Amy's support. Amy is here to show all women who are of the new Earth, who are building new earth businesses, how to truly scale with ease, with fun, with play, and with magic. And there's that quote that says, those who don't believe in magic will never find it. And I believe that you're here, part of the spiritual hustler community in the first place because, you know, magic is real. And in just the few months I worked with Amy, magic is starting to happen to me every single day. Things are accelerating, abundance is flowing more effortlessly. I feel like I have aged backwards. 10 years. Energetically and emotionally, I look different. I feel the work that Amy has brought into my life in this beautiful reciprocal sisterhood. Container. It was the missing piece. And I've already created a lot in my life, and now I know what I'm really here to create and exactly how to do it. And none of that would have been possible without Amy. She is my chief angel officer, effectively. And you're gonna hear her story today. She probably is gonna remind you a lot of you. Cause she wasn't always doing this thing called Akashic record reading for a living. She has a tremendously opposite background. And you're gonna hear about our work together in more detail. She's gonna share how she works with. With clients across her business. And we opened up the Akashic Records today. I asked her to do this live for all of you so she could channel a message for the collective community of the Spiritual Hustler podcast. And what happened was amazing. I'll let you hear it in a while. It happens towards the end of the interview, but I was able to access my records. And you are going to feel the potency of the clarity of what is always available to us when we drop in and channel. And she talks about how we all have the ability to do this. And so, without further ado, here is my incredible conversation with the one and only angel of a human being walking planet Earth, Amy Gatzert. Welcome to my show.
Amy Gatzert
Thank you.
Jessica Zweig
I'm sorry. Excited for this conversation. I feel this might be one of the most important conversations I've ever had on the show. Because the work that you're doing and the work that you have done with me, our sisterhood, the activation that we've been for each other, is really, I think, the new Earth and what women are really coming home to, whether they realize it or not. So I just wanted to say, set that foundation to my audience that's listening. You arrived at a very special place to be listening to this conversation today. And I'm excited for them.
Amy Gatzert
I'm excited for us.
Jessica Zweig
I know I'm excited for us. I actually just want to get right into this because there's so much I want to talk about with you. I really want to start with your story. If we can go back before we go forward.
Amy Gatzert
Okay.
Jessica Zweig
Because what you do today looks very different than what you are doing for the majority of your career. So can you take us back to. We don't have to get into all of the details of, like, the job that you held, but what the job was like. Yeah. And how it led you to the work that you're doing now.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. Okay. Well, I. For 20 years, I worked in production in some form or another, whether it was working in visual effects or on a TV show or a film. And then in the last 10 years of my life, I was working in advertising with big brands and as a commercial producer. It's crazy to me, and I feel like this story would just really sum it up. I recently did the math on how many people I would be responsible to on one job, and I started to make a list. And it was somewhere between 30 and 50 people on one project who needed different things from me all at the same time. So there was no such thing as boundaries. I didn't even know what that word meant. Text at 11pm at night, waking up to, you know, a. A huge inbox full of emails and requests and needs, all from different people. And traveling a third of the year internationally. Internationally. Shooting internationally in third world countries. And yeah, it just was a lot on my nervous system. And I didn't even know what my nervous system was at that point. I was just so automatically in it. I was just a robot. I was like, okay, next thing, do it, do it. And it was all about performance, performing to be the best. The best is you do what everyone tells you. You don't fight anyone on anything. You don't speak up. You just do your job. And yeah, I did that for 20 years.
Jessica Zweig
Crazy.
Amy Gatzert
It got to a point where I realized I cannot do this anymore. And so I quit my job without anything else lined up. And I took some time off and realized who I actually am. And I let go of an entire work identity that wasn't me. And I realized because I took a speech writing class and I wrote about my experience. And in the process of writing this speech, I realized I am not that person. I actually love this version of myself that is not the producer, is not the go between the irritable woman who is just always annoyed with everybody and doesn't eat enough and doesn't sleep enough and is not taking care of her body. And yeah, I got to know that person and she did not want to go back to advertising.
Jessica Zweig
So you had gone. And I know your story. So I'm just gonna kind of flip some pages here. You were on this sort of healing path, like you really reclaiming who you were. And as part of that, you saw an Akashic record reader talk to us about what happened there.
Amy Gatzert
Well, I was having what I guess many people would call a midlife crisis. I would call it a spiritual awakening. Yeah, let's rebrand the midlife crisis.
Jessica Zweig
There's a lot we're gonna Rebrand today.
Amy Gatzert
And in that process, I was seeing a therapist, and she had a sister who read the Akashic records, and she said, I don't know why I feel like you're supposed to see my sister. And I said, I'm open to anything at this point. And I had no idea what it was. It was not spiritual at all at the time. And this woman gave me an Akashic Records reading, and I just gave her my full trust.
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Amy Gatzert
And in that reading, I just saw myself through her eyes of the Akashic records, and I realized there was so much more meant for me than the life I was currently living. And I just felt so deeply seen. And so I ended up firing her sister, the therapist.
Jessica Zweig
I didn't know this part.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. And hiring her. And I saw her regularly for years, and it really helped me solidify why I needed to leave my job and to get out there and start to have a vision for my life and. And to move it forward in a very exciting and scary way.
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Jessica Zweig
Okay. So she was reading for you, but then you began to practice opening up the records for yourself.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. So she, in one of our readings, said, the guides are telling me it's time to teach you how to do this. And I was very. Yeah, I. I just looked at her, perplexed, and, like, I don't know why. Like, I'm a producer. That's not accessible to me. And she's like, you have to do this. And so I had a friend who convinced me to do it. It's not going to work. It's probably gonna be a waste of time. And I sat down and did my first reading for a complete stranger. And I knew everything about her, and she just was like, everything you said is just so resonant. And it was just coming out of me.
Jessica Zweig
Wow.
Amy Gatzert
But it was the feeling that I had, which was the deepest feeling of euphoria I've ever experienced in my entire life. It just took over my whole body, and to the point where I felt like crying and, you know, tears of joy. And I'm like, I think this is. There's something here. But I didn't actually start to use it until years later, after Covid, when everyone had a little timeout. And I'm like, okay, let's play with this and see what happens. And it was only in my mind. It was only meant to be a fun thing. And so I started off with friends, and then they kept sending me people, and then those people sent me people, and then everyone was coming back, and My schedule was full of readings, and people were paying me, and I'm like, is this a thing? Is this, like a career path? Like, what in the world? But I loved it. Loved it. It felt so good, and it was my favorite part of my day.
Jessica Zweig
Well, you're. I mean, you're masterful at it. It's your dharma, your purpose, your calling, your highest timeline. And, you know, often takes us a couple divine detours to arrive, as we all know. And this is your business now. It's how we've connected. You work specifically with female entrepreneurs using this guidance and the channeling of the Akashic. And I want to talk about how you've influenced my business and my life and. And what we're doing together. But before we get into all of that, can you break down what the Akashic records are?
Amy Gatzert
Yeah, and before I do that, I want to preface it by saying I don't think we as humans fully understand what it is. And I think I'll give you the. I will tell you how it was explained to me the first time because it helped me wrap my human brain around it. If you could imagine the largest library, like the Library of Congress, and every book in the library is the record of a soul, and every soul who's here on Earth has a record in the library. Past, present, future. It's a huge database of information, but it's more than our human minds could possibly understand. And I think a lot of humans think in terms of, oh, okay. The Akashic record can tell me everything about myself, but in my experience, that's not how they work. It's what you need to hear in this moment to further you on your journey. You have to do some of that work yourself. But the Akashic records give you the roadmap to get there and help you understand what you have to do each stage of the way to, like, move forward on your path. And they give you a big, expansive vision of what you're here to do, and they help you see your, you know, the things you have to work on and your shortcomings. And they're very specific, too. Very. And they're funny.
Jessica Zweig
They're super funny. They're super direct.
Amy Gatzert
Yes.
Jessica Zweig
So we've done quite a few sessions together, and you open up the channel. You're like, I'm going to open up your records. I'm out of curiosity. Like, what is that process like for you? And how do you do that? And how do you know when they're open?
Amy Gatzert
Well, I have a prayer that I Say, and you're part of that experience. And I close my eyes and I put my hand on my heart. And as I'm opening them, I can feel them open. And it's a different feeling for everybody. So some people, it's a little bit more subtle. Some people, it's a big whoosh. And oftentimes my clients can feel it too. With me, I've had clients cry when I open their records because they can feel something so strongly. I've had people tell me they can feel their heart opening up. Yeah, it's just a really ceremonial experience as you go in. And I have the deepest respect for it. And I just, I make sure that, you know, they're only open for as long as they need to be and they're closed after. And while we're in there, we are responsible. And when we close, we thank our guides for the time they've taken. You know, time which doesn't exist, but in the ethereal space. And, yeah, it's just a really beautiful, magical experience.
Jessica Zweig
I speak firsthand, at least in my experiences. In being in your space and your energy and working with the Akashics in partnership with you, I feel my channel is opened.
Amy Gatzert
Yes.
Jessica Zweig
And I am way more available to hear and receive. Ask and you shall receive. It's really upgraded my gifts in just very short amount of time.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
So your business has evolved. I love the story is I think it's going to be really inspiring for people to hear how organically your business grew and friends were doing it, and then they sent their friends and then all of a sudden you had a business. Over the last few years, you've really focused on female entrepreneurs and actually helping women with their business plan. Because you say that your business has a soul and they both have a plan. So why women who run businesses?
Amy Gatzert
Again, this. As this found me, this just organically unfolded. I just trusted and followed where it went without knowing where it would lead. And because of the time that I started doing this, which was 2020, right after Covid happened, there were a lot of women who were lacking direction in their careers. And I think Covid was a major wake up call. Like, you know, life could end at any moment. Are we all doing, you know, is this. Are we doing what makes us happy? Are we living with purpose? Or, you know, are we living in our hearts? And a lot of women were asking those important questions and needed guidance. And so a lot of them wanted to open up businesses. A lot of them wanted to pivot in their careers. A lot of them wanted to expand their current businesses or start a new one. And you know, I still had people coming to me to talk about relationships and all the things. But I felt the most lit up when these women came to me. And I felt so much energy, so much more information was being channeled for these women who had these visions. And after a period of time I just realized like, this is where I want to be.
Jessica Zweig
Yes.
Amy Gatzert
This is where my soul is happiest. And. And so I just decided to go all in on the business angle.
Jessica Zweig
And you have what I let. We talked about this the other day. You have the business background. You have such a unique advantage and vantage point because you were in a 20 year career of the patriarchy and the matrix. Yes. Even those of us that are building our own businesses that are quote unquote outside of the matrix, like I'll speak for myself, still have matrix programming that we're working against. You can have the most beautiful feminine vision of them all. But what I find so incredible about you because you really are working with a very specific type of woman who is really here for new earth consciousness. And what is new earth consciousness? I'll just answer that question. Then I'm answered. You can answer that question. But to me, it's a world in which it gets to be easy. It's a world where it's fun, it's abundant.
Amy Gatzert
I just got chills.
Jessica Zweig
Like what did we say the other day? This is my mantra for the year. The highest frequency is not love. The highest frequency is fun. Yes. And we get to a certain level in our career. We being me, I'll speak for myself, but I know people can relate. Where we're super successful, we've built a business out of alignment. Like in alignment from alignment is what I mean. We've made an impact and we believe that in order to scale it to get to the next level, we have to follow the same rules that got us there. And the new Earth business consciousness for women is available to us, but we can't see it. And that's where you come in.
Amy Gatzert
And I think we're starting to see it.
Jessica Zweig
Yes.
Amy Gatzert
And I think the way I am seeing this is this is being rolled out to us slowly. It's not. We can't do it all at once or it's going to be too much. Right. And so I think we've all started to clue in on hustle and grind. We're leaving behind. Wow, that was. That rhymes.
Jessica Zweig
Beautiful.
Amy Gatzert
And I think like the next layer is letting go competition really leaning into true collaboration. And reciprocity.
Jessica Zweig
Yes.
Amy Gatzert
I serve you, you serve me. We do this together. We're in this together. Your success is my success. We all rise together. As you say, it chills, but it's not just saying it. It's actually doing it and feeling it and embodying it. I think embodiment is another huge piece that we're missing. We haven't fully stepped into it.
Jessica Zweig
Embodying it. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And where I feel so lit up about working with you, because reciprocity, generosity, collaboration, interdependence, oneness, like no hierarchy, we all thrive like New Earth. New Earth, which is what I have been saying and leaning into for years in the most, I think, impactful way that I wasn't expecting when I started my new business. What I think is also available to us, where you also come in, is how do we do that?
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
What is the actual how? And I will say that in the last few months, in working with you for over a year, and it's just. It deepens all the time, and it's. We're really each other's mirrors. And I saw you as a sister from the second I met you on that very first zoom in October of 2024. I have a big vision for my life and for the business, and you know this. And I have felt it in my cells and working with you, Amy, you channeled the guides, and you were able to articulate it in a language that everything downloaded into crystal clarity. And I saw basically the next three, five, ten years of my life with a plan that I don't think I would have achieved without you, because you work in quantum time, and we're not working in the 3D when we're working in the Akashic. And that is something that I don't have the words to describe. If you are a female entrepreneur and you are ready to take your business to a different level, I don't think you cannot not work with the unseen. Does that make sense?
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking today, the only teacher I'm listening to at this point forward is the Akashic records and my own intuition, because that makes me think about the other thing we've been doing is we've been following other people's formulas and methods, and we think, oh, I'm supposed to do it the way she's doing it, and there's comparison. And truly, the beauty of the Akashic records is you're supposed to do it your own way, and your guides know exactly what way that is, and that's why you received it.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah, in that way. So this is like on the precipice of the year of the horse, and this is the message that I keep getting. It's like we are all here to carve our own lanes.
Amy Gatzert
Yes.
Jessica Zweig
Like each and every single one of us has our own unique blueprint in this lifetime. That is 1 in 8 billion 1 in trillions. Like, the fact that we're incarnated here in a human body is literally a miracle. This is the precipice for women and witch who remove distraction, become gorgeously unbothered. As I know it's my mantra for the year that create the most impact in a way that feels so good to them. Because when sometimes I drop that term, like make an impact, and I've been preaching that for a long time, that can be tricky because making an impact can take a lot of you and it can burn you out and you can overextend and you can over give because you care and you want to be in service. But the frequency of making an impact this year in this frequency of fun and freedom, because to me, that's the horse is freedom. It's lighter. It's from your heart.
Amy Gatzert
Exactly.
Jessica Zweig
Let's go there.
Amy Gatzert
We haven't talked about the heart. That's the most important piece.
Jessica Zweig
Yes, that is the piece.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. Business led from the heart.
Jessica Zweig
And like, let's break this down because I think people can hear that and be like, okay, well, that sounds obvious, but we spent eight hours together this weekend. Amy basically channeled for me for eight hours on my business. And the guides came through. We recorded it all. Like, so many notes, so many instructions, so many next steps, so many actual strategy came from this. But at the center of it all was the heart.
Amy Gatzert
It's all about the heart.
Jessica Zweig
Say more about when you think of that experience of leading from the heart, like, what does that have to teach everyone?
Amy Gatzert
Well, at first, I want to acknowledge that I sound like Pollyanna when I.
Jessica Zweig
Say that, but I want to demystify this.
Amy Gatzert
No, I know.
Jessica Zweig
Because it's not that, like people could think that.
Amy Gatzert
I know. And that's why I'm saying that is because that's what it sounds like. But I think when you really work with your heart and really lead from your heart, magic happens. I mean, literally. And it's the more you expand your heart, the more that field opens up and magnetizes to you at that same frequency. I believe our hearts are guided by our soul. That's how we know. That's why we go back to our hearts, because our heart always knows the way because that it's in communication with our soul. And so business led from the heart is what we're moving into. And this is what I've seen over and over again. The businesses that are led by greed are going to fall away. So being on the bandwagon.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah, yeah, I know. I want to break this. Can I. I have so much to say about this.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
So, okay, first of all, I learned this from, like, heart math and Joe Dispenza. Like, let's just talk about the science of the heart.
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Right?
Jessica Zweig
Because the. The heart is the largest electromagnetic force field in the human body. It has a extension of, like, energy of, like, 4,000 times bigger than our brains do. And what activates our heart? Well, joy, fun, love, play. Right. Like compassion, fulfillment, touch, like magic. All of those things that are available to us all the time, that activates a physical electromagnetic force field within the human body that creates actual magnetism, alignment. It draws things to us effortlessly. Right. And so this is actual science rooted in, you know, Pollyanna, beautiful beliefs. But it's true. They're connected. It does magnetize magic. And I think when we're in our hearts, it's obvious. I want for anyone listening and at least this is going to be my new practice as well, to be able to be honest with ourselves when we're not in our hearts.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
Like, I transparently was working on a potential client, and we talked about this, and based on who this person was and, you know, just kind of where I am right now, like, I had a bit of fear attached to it. I kind of pedestaled this person. I didn't feel in my full. I wouldn't say my full power, but my full heart. Like, I actually knew I could help this person, but the frequency was off, and it wasn't aligned for either one of us. But she called it first, and I had to really acknowledge the gap. Like, what. What was happening inside of my system. And I look at anything and everything I've ever created in my business. Any opportunity, any idea, any launch, any product, any service, any partnership, any client. And if it's not from my heart, it never works. And that's what my heart told me on Saturday.
Amy Gatzert
Yep.
Jessica Zweig
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Jessica Zweig
And so this is, I think, the invitation of this new earth consciousness of of high performing women, because that is who you really serve to allow it to be fun and easy. And easy. Like it really gots to be easy. And I think this whole conversation around, like, healing, right. What did you say?
Amy Gatzert
The other day, well, this was channeled, but healing needs a rebrand. We are taught that we have to work hard to earn anything. And unfortunately, that story has been told us on the healing journey. Like, look at all the people who go pay thousands of dollars to fly to another country and have their head over a bucket. Like, okay, I mean, I've done it, I get it. But it does not have to be like that.
Jessica Zweig
I remember puking in mine and being like, there has to be a better way to reach the divine than this.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, everyone has to do it, I guess, but it doesn't have to be the way. And I also think there's a lot of healing that happens on the entrepreneurial journey.
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Amy Gatzert
You know, there's a lot of our shadows come up, our ego, like, all these things that happen. And this is where the Akashic records does come in. It can help you move through and transmute that stuff fairly effortlessly if you take the direction it gives you.
Jessica Zweig
That's the key.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
Is just the biggest invitation I think of this time right now for women, when it comes to your business, when it comes to your hustling, when it comes to your healing, like, what if it was easy? What if it was fun? What if it looked like playing with colored markers and, like, talking about your family over, you know, beautiful music and candles and just being heard and then getting up and dancing and like, it just. We make it so complicated. And I think that has been one of the biggest reflections in working with you. Is it's all already perfect. Yeah, it's already perfect.
Amy Gatzert
It's all perfect.
Jessica Zweig
It's all perfect. So why are you trying so hard? You have a new name for me. Okay, well, I've already told you what it is. Yes, it's Chief Angel Officer.
Amy Gatzert
I love it.
Jessica Zweig
No, it's so important. And let me explain why. I read about, like, Prince and like Michael Jackson, like, I think Diana Ross, like, this has been going on for a while. And I'm pretty positive, like, Beyonce and Taylor Swift have the same thing, but they had, like spiritual advisors on their team. They had like psychics and people within their inner circle and their entourage that would go on tour with them, that would help them get ready to be on stage. Like, not just their makeup artists and their dancers and producers and directors, but their spiritual advisors. If you're a conscious fucking leader today, I think having someone like that on your team is a non negotiable.
Amy Gatzert
You need an angel in your corner.
Jessica Zweig
You need an angel in your corner and you are like a living angel. I mean, that's really the truth. I could have the best conversation with my CEO, who I love, and my chief creative officer, my team, and coming to talk to you about my vision and my business plan. It was the missing piece.
Amy Gatzert
I thank you for saying that. I think the magic is in. I can see and hold your vision for you. When you have the self doubt creep up or the it's going to be hard or whatever. I'm always holding it for you. Even the clients I've only seen once who never come back, really, I'm still holding that vision for them. I can see it with such clarity.
Jessica Zweig
I mean, that is something that is quite rare. No, I'm serious. Like there's this. Well, first of all, after our weekend, like, you've created this whole drive for me. It's like a business plan of spiritual quantum strategies, next steps, validation points. And just to be specific about one piece of it, you were like, I was telling you about all these synchronicities that were happening right away and you had like, created a doc of like, this is validation. You're stepping into this new earth alignment, whatnot. And I had seen it and then I texted you about something else a couple hours later and I went back maybe an hour or two after you had updated it.
Amy Gatzert
Like there was. Yeah, it was so many things happening.
Jessica Zweig
But there's a devotion.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
To someone else's success.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
That's what I'm saying is rare.
Amy Gatzert
Thank you. I mean, I'm in it with you. I feel so privileged to work with these women, like, of your caliber, who are so in their hearts and just have that business acumen and who can pair the two together and they're just like unstoppable. And I can see the beauty of the vision, the big, beautiful vision that you hold, that these women hold. And I want these visions to come to life. I am just in it with you. I am there. I'm attached to the outcome. Let's do this.
Jessica Zweig
Where does that come from? Can you name that?
Amy Gatzert
I have so much hope for humanity despite, you know, what other people feel and what we see in the media. Because I work with these women and I see these visions downloaded from the Akashic records and I see what our world could become if all these women activate on their ideas. I can just. Yeah, I have hope. And so I want to do everything I can to help that process. It just feels like it's in me. I can't stop it.
Jessica Zweig
So I worked with you as your coach.
Amy Gatzert
Yes.
Jessica Zweig
Which Was amazing.
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Jessica Zweig
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Amy Gatzert
Yeah, you did. Thank you.
Jessica Zweig
You're welcome. That's my gift.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
Right. Like, I have a different. Different gift, but it's the same inflection, point of reflection. Like, I'm able to mirror back what I see and put it into a different form. And I would love for you to share this because I think it's a really beautiful thing for everyone to hear. You know, we were working on your brand and your website and your Instagram and your coaching containers, and you made a lot of breakthroughs and progress and, like, covered a ton of ground in a very short amount of time, actually. And in the last few months since the mastermind ended, you're taking a different direction. And so can you explain how that came to be and why that came to be?
Amy Gatzert
I think when I was starting to think about my goals for this year, what I wanted to do was have bigger impact. And in that, I really wanted to be working with women who were in the space, had been in the space for quite some time, knew how to run a business, but needed help with the vision or aligning more to the New Earth frequency. And I just saw myself as being able to contribute more by working with women at that level and allowing that to trickle down to all the women they work with. So women like you.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah.
Amy Gatzert
Women who have New Earth businesses.
Jessica Zweig
Yes.
Amy Gatzert
That have the potential to really have a very high impact and ripple out. So.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah. And I think what's really important to note, and I'll just come clean myself here, is, like, when you reach a certain level of success, I'm pretty clear that I can do anything I put my mind to. Right. Like, that's my design. Like, I think you kind of have to be if you're a world creator, which is what I call visionary women. And yet there's always another level that you can't even see for yourself. And you're not intentionally capping yourself. You just don't know what you don't know. Yep. And I think for someone like you to open up a whole new world, a whole new possibility, possibilities, I think, is where this 5D, 7D, whatever you want to call that dimension, comes through into the 3D. When we have these intuitive gifts and partners that can access that information, I think we all can strengthen our own guides and intuition. I think we're all psychic to some degree.
Amy Gatzert
Yes, for sure.
Jessica Zweig
But you're at a different level of capacity and clarity and the clairvoyance and connection, that just accelerates what's meant to be.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah.
Jessica Zweig
Does that make sense?
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. And it's interesting you say that, because I was getting this download the other day, that there are women who are meant to be activators. Like, you are an activator, and you still have really strong intuition. But then there's also women who aren't activators. They're meant to be channels. And I think that's me. I'm meant to be a channel. That's where I'm happiest. That's where I like to play. The more I'm in there, the better it gets. And I think that me paired with an activator, we can do anything.
Jessica Zweig
It's insane. You also work with numerology. Where did that come through? And how do they work together?
Amy Gatzert
Well, the numerology just kind of came in, and it just really captured my interest. And I'm like, I want to learn more about this. And so I took a course and I just went deep, and it all just downloaded into my brain, and I didn't have to memorize it. It just was all there. And, yeah, I had people who were like, I think you must have done this in a past lifetime, because it's way easier for you than it is for me. And what I found was when you understood your life path and your life expression and what personal year you're in, because each year has a different theme that we're working through, and each month has a different theme learned, by the way. Most people don't know this. Once you learn what energy you're stepping into, you can plan ahead and you can really use it intentionally while it's happening. Like, you know, you're in a month. Three, you're writing a book. The three is all about communication and creativity and heart opening. And look what's happening for you this month.
Jessica Zweig
Right.
Amy Gatzert
And it happens on its own. But the more intentionality you put into it, the more you can really excel that.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah. Do you want to know something about numerology? Well, I've told you that, like, I feel like my higher self orients the timeline.
Amy Gatzert
Yes.
Jessica Zweig
And then my human self catches up later. Like, I didn't realize that we planned to go to Avalon and Seven Sisters on Seven. Seven.
Amy Gatzert
I know.
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Jessica Zweig
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Amy Gatzert
Instagram, probably the easiest way to find me. You could DM me there or go to the website and message me there. But yeah, there's a lot of great info on the website about what I do, how the akashic records work, and how to work more intimately with me.
Jessica Zweig
I will say that the friendship that has come through there is something about. And this really goes for any container, but especially someone that's working with you at this level of intimacy has to really be on your side and a sister, and that is new Earth. That's how we were always designed. I believe, as women to work in collaboration and equanimity and reciprocity, and that has been so lost. And when you really find those partnerships, they accelerate and activate you and open you up to so much more than you even knew possible because it's healing you on a soul level and creating all of this safety for you to shine, be in your gifts, to be.
Amy Gatzert
In your gifts and deliver on that big, beautiful vision of yours and every.
Jessica Zweig
Single one of us. And I loved what you said about the activators versus the channelers. Like, I really, really do are pouring this into all the women listening who are all in their own unique timelines and their own unique paths, but all came to this show and they come here to see themselves differently. You know, at the end of the day. Do you have a message? Can I ask you to maybe even open up the records. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't planning on this, but I just came through.
Amy Gatzert
And so we do acknowledge the forces of light asking for guidance, direction, and courage to know the truth as it is revealed for our highest good and the highest good of everyone connected to it.
Jessica Zweig
What message does this spiritual hustler community, as a collective of women lightworkers here for the new earth rising, what do they want them to know?
Amy Gatzert
Each of you has a special gift inside of you that the world is waiting to experience experience and to not hold it too close. For it was given to you for a reason. It's meant to be shared with the world. And so find those ways to access that and to bring it out and to know that you're the vessel to bring this to life and only you in your own unique way, not the ways that anyone else is telling you to do it. Don't listen to those voices. Listen to your own. To your own inner guidance and know that if this idea was planted inside of you, it's meant to be seen and experienced in the world. So listen to that voice and follow it.
Jessica Zweig
You know, when I close my eyes and I come into this microphone, or even when I'm here by myself recording my solos, I feel them. I feel all of you as you listen. Please know I can listen back to your energy. And as you said, all of that. I saw them. I saw you guys.
Amy Gatzert
I could feel them.
Jessica Zweig
Could you feel them energetically in the field? Like, it almost looked like the universe. Like the lights, like the starry night sky lighting up. Does that make sense?
Amy Gatzert
There's so many women out there who have amazing ideas that never make it into form. And we have these tools available for all of them. The Akashic records are available to all of them, and so many resources are available to them if they could just find that one next step to take to bring that idea to life. Like, just imagine what our world would look like if everyone was living according to the mission that was planted inside their souls.
Jessica Zweig
I. I could cry. Thank you for saying that. No. And it's so powerful and it's actually so simple at the same time. That's what I appreciate about the Akashic is the ability to hold, like, that big, beautiful vision that you just shared with thousands of people and the instructions of how there's something about over complicating the process that we all get stuck in doing, myself included. I mean, just to give a very small example, Brian and I are working things out with us, and you channeled for Brian and I. And you were like, you need to move your bodies. You need to work out and exercise more and make sure you eat lunch together twice a day or twice a week.
Amy Gatzert
Twice a week?
Jessica Zweig
Twice a week. Because we work from home together and we don't see each other throughout the day. There's such beauty in the aspiration and the vision and the knowing and how to bring it down into the now. And so whoever is listening to this podcast, as you heard that message and bringing that out into your own unique way, because you do have a gift. You do have an idea that the world needs, that your soul needs you to do. What is the one simple thing that you can do to take action on it? And I think that we overcomplicate what it is. Maybe it's a mentor that you reach out to and have coffee with. Maybe it's a book that you read. Maybe it's a walk that you take on a regular basis. Maybe it's a certain song you listen to over and over again. I'm just, like, channeling whatever I'm what's coming through it. It doesn't have to be what anyone else is doing.
Amy Gatzert
It's your own blueprint.
Jessica Zweig
It's your own blueprint, and it belongs to you. Do you have to close the records?
Amy Gatzert
I do.
Jessica Zweig
Okay. Is there anything else they want to say?
Amy Gatzert
Well, I had chills the whole time you were saying that. Listen to your heart. Your heart has the answer. It's right there. It's right there. And so the more we can all access our hearts, the more deeply we step into our purpose, the more fulfilled we become, the more inspired and creative we become, and the more magnetizes to us in that frequency. So it's reciprocity.
Jessica Zweig
Can I share one last thing that's coming through? So I'm going to share wisdom with all of you guys that are listening that my heart gave me. Because we're in reciprocity in all ways. Always. Always. And that includes the relationship you have between you and your heart. And we're always. I shouldn't say always, but often overriding it because we have a Instagram caption to write or a meeting to attend or an errand to run or a demand or an email to get back to whatever it is. And my heart told me, and I'm going to give the wisdom of my heart to all of your hearts who are listening, that your heart wants you to let itself feel itself, to give yourself the space to let your heart feel itself. And for your heart to show you that miracles are real. That's what my heart said to me. And I wanted to share that with everyone, because I don't believe that was just for me. And I don't think I would have been able to access that without you. You're a game changer. You're an angel in the corner.
Amy Gatzert
So are you in a.
Jessica Zweig
In a corner office.
Amy Gatzert
Oh, I'll take that. Okay.
Jessica Zweig
Truly, you are a walking angel on this earth, Amy Gatzert.
Amy Gatzert
So are you.
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Jessica Zweig
I received that.
Amy Gatzert
Oh, that.
Jessica Zweig
Okay, close the records, and then I'll ask you my last few questions.
Amy Gatzert
I would like to thank the masters, teachers, and loved ones for their love and compassion. I would like to thank the Lord's the Akashic Records for their point of view. And I would like to thank the Holy Spirit of Light for all knowledge and healing. The records are now closed. And so it is. The records are now closed, and so it is. The records are now closed, and so it is.
Jessica Zweig
All right, we're back. I just. Thank you for finding me.
Amy Gatzert
Okay. Yes. You're welcome.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah, you found me.
Amy Gatzert
Thank you for existing.
Jessica Zweig
Thank. You're very welcome. But this was always meant to be.
Amy Gatzert
Oh, yeah.
Jessica Zweig
There was just spiraling of timelines that needed to happen first that allowed us to. To merge.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. And we knew it, like, in the.
Jessica Zweig
First five minutes instantly. You are somebody that I see in my life forever, and I know that you'll come back on this podcast. I feel that.
Amy Gatzert
I feel it.
Jessica Zweig
There's more for us to do and more for us to share in time. Yeah. But I want to thank you for coming today and for sharing your story and sharing your gifts, sharing your heart. It's felt. And I'm not just speaking for myself.
Amy Gatzert
I feel so honored to be here, and I just reflect back to you, if I may, You. That first phone call, when we spoke and connected, you saw me in such a deep, beautiful way that reminded me of who I am and what I'm capable of. And I literally felt like you took the key and unlocked it. And after that happened, everything just started to come into form. And that is a gift of yours. I see it not just with myself, but with every woman you work with. And you're so pure and in your heart, and the world is so lucky to experience the creations that you have built and are continuing to build.
Jessica Zweig
I receive that. Thank you. This is the gift of sisterhood and being in this new Earth consciousness. When you meet another woman who sees you as clearly as you see her, and what can happen from that place for both of you and for the world. I have just a few quick fire questions for you. Okay.
Amy Gatzert
Okay.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah, they're fun. Do you have a favorite spiritual book?
Amy Gatzert
Oh, that's easy. Journey of Souls.
Jessica Zweig
Oh, yeah.
Amy Gatzert
Have you read that one?
Jessica Zweig
A long time ago, but it's amazing.
Amy Gatzert
It was the first book I ever read and I felt like it just. Everything made sense.
Jessica Zweig
That's how I felt about Bringers of the dawn when I read. Yeah, I get it. I totally get that. I loved that book. Do you read business books? And if so, do you have a favorite business book?
Amy Gatzert
I don't really read business books.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah, that's what Tali was on the podcast recently. She's like, I don't read books.
Amy Gatzert
I. I mean, I read books. I actually am in a season of not reading because, like, of what I said earlier, I'm just. I'm leaning into the wisdom that comes in from the Akashic records and my intuition.
Jessica Zweig
Beautiful. Yeah, I love that answer. Okay, this one is a fun one for you. So I always ask, like, do you have a favorite guide, goddess, angel, deity, ancestor? Do you have, like, anyone specific, Amy, that you work with?
Amy Gatzert
You know, it's really funny you ask that because the answer is no.
Jessica Zweig
Yeah.
Amy Gatzert
And it's really interesting because I have told myself this story. It's so interesting. All these other women have angels that speak to them. They call themselves out and this person that. And I've never had that. And I. I think there's just a part of us as humans that want to humanize that. And I don't know, it's all different for everybody. But I don't have certain angels call themselves out to me or. I know I work with the angelic realm, but I don't. No one specifically calls themselves out to me.
Jessica Zweig
Okay. I do have another question, a follow up to this. It's not like part of the quick fire.
Amy Gatzert
Okay.
Jessica Zweig
Because I'm curious. When you open up the records and you have you like, you communicate with the guides and the angelic realm, totally clear that there's no one specific they're formed to them. Is there a frequency, a shape, a color? Like, is there anything that you.
Amy Gatzert
It's the frequency of love.
Jessica Zweig
That's it. Which is a lot.
Amy Gatzert
It's really. It's a frequency of love. And on that I find the more I'm in my heart and the more I harvest and develop unconditional love for myself and humanity and everyone in my life, the stronger that field becomes and the more able I am to channel.
Jessica Zweig
Clearly beautiful yeah, beautiful. It totally makes sense, actually. Makes perfect sense. That was a channeling in and of itself.
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Amy Gatzert
That's why I had to chat.
Jessica Zweig
I got it. Do you believe in aliens?
Amy Gatzert
Oh, yeah. Oh, yes.
Jessica Zweig
Do you believe you are one?
Amy Gatzert
Pleiadian.
Jessica Zweig
You're so Pleiadian. Yeah, you look like a Pleiadian.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah, I've been told that, like, we.
Jessica Zweig
Have a certain look to us.
Amy Gatzert
No, I'm definitely a Pleiadian. I think I. That's all I am. I think you think I'm pure Pleiadian.
Jessica Zweig
You might be the word that, when I think of you, Amy Gassard, is pure. So that would track. Thank you. Okay, final question.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah, what?
Jessica Zweig
Well, we've kind of answered this, but I'd love for you to just channel this. What does it mean to you, Amy, to be a co creator of the New Earth Rising?
Amy Gatzert
I love that question, especially because one of my words for this year is co create. I think it's all. It's what we talked about earlier. New Earth Frequency is about collaboration and co creating together. Its reciprocity. It's your success is my success. We build this together. The more we're in it together, the better it becomes. And it's just true, true collaboration without ego or competition or worrying about how much value you're giving. It's just you show up with what you have to add and that's enough. So that's how I see it.
Jessica Zweig
I love it. And when you were saying that, I was seeing a world, I was seeing a dimension that we think is out there, unavailable to us or someday one day. But I saw this world. If I'm going to be honest, it almost reminded me of, like, Lumeria. Like, it has that frequency to it that is happening in real time. And the only way that it happens in real time is through the co creation in every action, in every interaction, in every conversation and every thought and every belief in every word. You know, it's like, it can only happen with co creation.
Amy Gatzert
Yeah. And it's. It's co creation and it's allowing everyone to work in their unique genius, and you stay in your unique genius. And that's how we all contribute together.
Jessica Zweig
So you're the horse, baby. Stay in your own lane.
Amy Gatzert
Exactly. Carve it.
Jessica Zweig
And stay in your only. Because there's only one you.
Amy Gatzert
Mm.
Jessica Zweig
I love you.
Amy Gatzert
I love you.
Jessica Zweig
This was such a gift to be with you as much as we've gotten to be with each other. And thank you for bringing your angelic frequency and medicine to my community today.
Amy Gatzert
I love you so much.
Jessica Zweig
I love you so much. And we're only just beginning.
Amy Gatzert
Scratching the surface.
Jessica Zweig
Let's go.
Host: Jessica Zweig
Guest: Amy Gatzert
Date: January 27, 2026
This transformative episode features a deep and soulful conversation between Jessica Zweig and Akashic Records reader Amy Gatzert. Together, they explore what it means to run a business from a place of spiritual alignment, heart, and ease—blending new earth consciousness with female entrepreneurship. The discussion centers around the practical and mystical aspects of the Akashic Records, quantum business planning, and the elevation of feminine leadership. Amy channels wisdom for the audience, offering actionable spiritual insights for women ready to activate their highest visions in business and life.
Timestamp: 58:50
Amy Gatzert (channeling):
“Each of you has a special gift inside of you that the world is waiting to experience. Don’t hold it too close. For it was given to you for a reason. It’s meant to be shared with the world… Listen to your own inner guidance and know that if this idea was planted inside of you, it’s meant to be seen and experienced in the world.”
Jessica and Amy both close their eyes and describe energetically feeling and sensing the light of each listener, experiencing a collective feminine quantum field (59:54).
“Listen to your heart—your heart has the answer. The more we access our hearts, the more deeply we step into our purpose and the more fulfilled, inspired, and creative we become.”
— Amy Gatzert (62:29–63:03)