Can Natasha Leggero And Moshe Kasher Save Dan's Marriage? (Reheat)

Summary

The Sporkful – Can Natasha Leggero And Moshe Kasher Save Dan's Marriage? (Reheat)

Host: Dan Pashman
Guests: Phoebe Robinson, Natasha Leggero, Moshe Kasher, Janie (Dan’s wife)
Date: May 1, 2026

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Overview

In this “Reheat” episode, Dan Pashman brings together two classic Sporkful conversations:

1. A lively lunch with comedian Phoebe Robinson covering food, relationships, and race.
2. A guest appearance by comedy couple Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher, known for their relationship advice podcast “The Endless Honeymoon.” Dan’s wife Janie joins for a playful—but sincere—on-air marital counseling session about quirky household habits and hosting dinner parties.

Both segments use food as a lens to reveal deeper truths about identity, partnership, and the little frictions of domestic life.

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Segment 1: Lunch & Life with Phoebe Robinson

Starts ~02:42 – Ends ~21:07

Key Discussion Points

Ordering Lunch & Food Habits

• Phoebe and Dan bond over menu choices and share the Cubano and biscuits & gravy.
• Lighthearted negotiation over sharing food; Phoebe insists she’s not splitting her biscuit, setting a playful tone.

Eating and Body Image

• Phoebe discusses strategies for eating big meals while wearing tight clothes:
  “I wear skinny jeans, and skinny jeans look great, but they don’t really allow you to eat. So I have to not eat all day. And then I can wear cute clothes and then just be, like, a monster for dinner.” (08:21)
• Dan understands: “I have, like, different settings on my belt… default, big meal, Thanksgiving dinner.” (09:18)

Emotional Eating

• Phoebe candidly shares stress-induced eating habits:
  “There was like a month where I was just ordering takeout every day… eating until I felt like I could move. It’s not good.” (06:08)
• Both poke fun at healthy ‘stress eating’ (“It’s just like salad, salad, apples, smoothie… you literally just ate a farm.” (07:01)), and Dan reassures, “You’re not talking about heroin here.” (07:39)

Food, Dating, and Cultural Comfort

• Phoebe on race and eating with her white ex-boyfriend:
  “I never ate watermelon in front of him… society just makes me feel weird about stuff.” (03:50)
• On restaurant discomfort: “I would see [I’m the] only person of color there who wasn’t wait staff… we were walking and like everyone was just staring at me in a way where I was like, this is New York. Like, you haven’t seen a Black person eat pasta before?” (16:34)

Navigating Sharing Food on Dates

• Ground rules for sharing:
  “You have to ask and then it’s fine... but don’t feed me. It just feels weird.” (12:18–13:07)
• On dating etiquette:
  “If a dude doesn’t pay on the first date, I’m like, that is some bullshit. Are you kidding me?...I don’t do the fake reaching for the wallet. I don’t do it. I just chill.” (13:28–15:06)

Being Out as an Interracial Couple

• Sharing the social scrutiny of interracial dating:
  “People date. They don’t have the same skin color. It’s fine… but it was always worse walking around. That’s when people heckle us or say things… can we just get, like, a night off?” (17:52–18:41)
• On over-tipping to combat stereotypes:
  “I overtip all the time.” (20:14)

Notable Quotes

• Phoebe: “This isn’t a fucking field trip to Six Flags. Like, not going Dutch with you.” (14:01)
• “If you’re gonna… like, I don’t want a guy to spend, like, a hundred dollars on me on a date. That’s absurd.” (14:44)

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Segment 2: Comedy, Culture, and Marital Drama—Natasha Leggero & Moshe Kasher

Starts ~23:30 – Ends ~53:49

Key Discussion Points

Food Obsessions and Upbringings

• Moshe claims “big eaters” status and their love of discovering restaurants.
  “One of our main pastimes is exploring and finding great restaurants.” (24:34)
• Natasha’s humble culinary background:
  “I didn’t really even have Sushi until I was like, 23... [growing up] I was kind of in charge of making dinner every night. So what I would make is this little thing called Lipton rice and soup mix.” (28:55, 30:21)

Deep Cut Fast Food Debate

• Each names their favorite fast food “item.”
  • Natasha: Cheeseburger at In N Out; Shake Shack a close second; nostalgic but suspicious about Chicken McNuggets.
  • Moshe: Taco Bell chicken soft taco (“one of the most delicious things not only at fast food but that I’ve ever tasted.” (27:47))

Kosher Habits & Jewish Food

• Moshe explains his evolving dietary choices:
  “I wanted to infuse my eating… with slightly more mindfulness. And I thought, here I am a Jew, I might as well take this system of mindfulness to reduce my meat consumption.” (34:25)
• Natasha jokes about converting:
  “It’s much easier to become Christian… Christianity you just have to walk to a mall… they hand you a Bible and then you’re Christian.” (25:40)

Lightning Round: Jewish Foods (Timestamps ~40:10–43:48)

• Hydrox cookies: Moshe allies with a Muslim classmate over not being able to eat Oreos.
• Matzo braai: Both find it unappealing—“wet crackers.”
• Used tea bag: Sparks a sidebar about frugality and Jewish stereotypes.
• Apples & honey: Moshe and Natasha debate appropriateness; Natasha proposes grilled cheese as a pairing.
• Favorite Jewish food: Moshe—cholent; Natasha—matzo ball soup (“firm but fluffy”).

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Marital Advice Segment — Can Natasha and Moshe Save Dan’s Marriage?

Starts ~43:48

Major Conflicts Addressed (with Timestamps)

The Soap Dispenser/Watering Down Soap Debate (46:26–47:47)

• Janie habitually adds water to hand soap and dish soap to get out the last bits, mirroring her tendency to reuse teabags.
• Dan complains that the watered-down soap “shoots out” and doesn’t feel effective.
• Moshe sides with Janie’s thriftiness but understands Dan’s desire for “thickness.”

Notable Quote:
Dan, exasperated: “I want suds. I need to see suds and soap on my hands to feel like I’m cleaning them… [the watery soap] shoots out this, like, soapy water that hits me, like, in the shirt... it drills me in the chest for the first squirt.” (47:11)

Party Prep & Domestic Chores (48:24–52:14)

• Dan stresses about prepping food and the house before guests arrive; Janie procrastinates, which frustrates Dan.
• Natasha recommends dividing responsibilities according to strengths and lowering expectations.
• Moshe likens it to their own negotiated truce over hotel vs. restaurant spending.

Notable Quotes:
Moshe: “90% of fights between people are because expectations you already know aren’t going to be met are not met… This is Jeannie, the woman you married, so get up at 6 and start rolling them balls.” (51:55–52:43)

Natasha: “Delegate what you’re good at.” (51:13)

Advice and Solutions

• Natasha suggests a foaming soap dispenser as a compromise for the soap issue.
• Moshe encourages both to accept each other’s quirks: “My resentments are directly proportional to my expectations.”
• Light marital ribbing and warmth close the segment.

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Most Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Interracial Dating and Restaurants (Phoebe):
  “This is why I don’t eat in this area... just watching just people of color just waiting on white people, but they can’t necessarily afford to eat at the place. I’m just like, that. That makes you sad.” (16:34)

• On honest marital dynamics (Natasha & Moshe):
  Natasha: “Please don’t mention the rate when we check in. And then I also tell them, please make sure you don’t put a bill under the door.” (36:27)

  Moshe: “We eat three times a day. We stay at a hotel room maybe 10 times a year. And I think I got the raw end of the deal, actually.” (37:00)

• Playfully cutting marriage advice:
  “Lower your expectations.” – Natasha (52:42) “It’s not ever gonna change. This is Jeannie, the woman that you married.” – Moshe (52:43)

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Quick Timestamps of Important Segments

• 02:42 – Phoebe and Dan order lunch
• 03:50 – Phoebe on food & racial identity
• 06:08 – Eating habits under stress
• 08:21 – Food, fashion, & body image
• 12:18 – Sharing food on dates
• 13:28 – Dating etiquette and money
• 16:34 – Restaurants & discomfort as a Black woman
• 20:14 – On tipping and stereotypes
• 23:30 – Natasha & Moshe discuss restaurant obsessions
• 27:47 – Fast food favorites
• 34:25 – Moshe’s philosophy on mindful eating
• 36:13 – The hotel bill marital saga
• 40:10 – Jewish food lightning round
• 43:48 – Janie joins for marital advice
• 46:26 – The soap dispenser debate
• 48:24 – Party prep conflict
• 51:55 – Advice: “My resentments are proportional to my expectations.”

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, bantering, and deeply personal.
• Equal parts funny and revealing, often swerving between the absurd and the honest.
• True to the show’s tagline: “It’s not for foodies. It’s for eaters.”

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Conclusion

This double-feature Sporkful “Reheat” uses food—be it biscuits, soap, or cheap teabags—as an entry point into human quirks, social realities, and relationship dynamics. It underscores how the smallest habits (like watering down soap or dividing chores) can become flashpoints or, with good humor, opportunities for deeper understanding—at the table and at home.

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Recommended if you enjoy:

• Smart, confessional comedy
• The intersection of food, culture, and identity
• Candid relationship talk with a generous dash of laughter

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Key Quotes for Sharing:

• “Lower your expectations.” – Natasha Leggero (52:42)
• “My resentments are directly proportional to my expectations.” – Moshe Kasher (52:33)
• Phoebe Robinson: “This isn’t a fucking field trip to Six Flags. Like, not going Dutch with you.” (14:01)
• “You have to ask and then it’s fine... but don’t feed me. It just feels weird.” – Phoebe (12:18–13:07)

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Transcript

[Natasha Leggero]

We know that weeknights are not for

[Phoebe Robinson]

the week, but are you gonna throw

[Natasha Leggero]

in the kitchen towel and order takeout?

[Phoebe Robinson]

No way.

[Natasha Leggero]

You've got Land o' Lakes butter, a

[Phoebe Robinson]

skillet and a plan.

[Natasha Leggero]

Land O' Lakes Eat it like you own it.

[Dan Pashman]

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[Phoebe Robinson]

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[Dan Pashman]

Hey everyone, it's Dan bringing you another Sporkful Reheat. Actually, no, I'm bringing you two in one. This is two classic Sporkful episodes in one reheat. First up is my conversation over lunch with Phoebe Robinson. She is an incredibly funny comedian, a writer, an actor and podcaster and also, by the way, one of the best Instagram follows around these days. Phoebe is on tour for her latest stand up show. For dates and tickets go to phoeberobinson.com then later in the show, we're going to revisit my conversation with husband and wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. You might know them from their Netflix special or long running podcast the Endless Honeymoon where they dispense relationship advice. Today's Reheat they help me and my wife Janie as we try to resolve some of our marital conflicts involving hand soap and hosting dinner parties. Of course, as always, if there's an episode you want us to pull out of the Sporkful Deep Freezer, a classic from the archives. Drop me a line, we take requests. Send me an email or voice memo to helloporkful.com tell me your first name, location, what episode you want to hear and why. Thanks so much and enjoy this episode contains explicit language.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I think I might do the cubano.

[Dan Pashman]

All right.

[Phoebe Robinson]

There's a fruit relish. So there you go.

[Dan Pashman]

That's healthy. Yeah, it's basically a salad.

[Phoebe Robinson]

It's. Oh, my God.

[Dan Pashman]

This is comedian Phoebe Robinson. You know her from 2 Dope Queens and her current podcast, so Many White Guys. That's so. With three o's, by the way.

[Phoebe Robinson]

What are you thinking, Dan?

[Dan Pashman]

I'm torn.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Are you thinking brekkie? I mean, I don't think so. Oh, wait, they have biscuits and gravy. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. That's what I'm getting. Yeah.

[Dan Pashman]

Okay.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I gotta do that. You can't do.

[Dan Pashman]

Because I was tempted and maybe I gotta try some beers. Then why don't I get the Cubano and you get that and we can go halves?

[Phoebe Robinson]

That's great.

[Dan Pashman]

Okay.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I'm so excited.

[Dan Pashman]

All right. Today on the Sporkful, we're hanging out with Phoebe Robinson. She and I will trade strategies for eating big meals in tight jeans, and we'll talk about how to share food on a first date in a way that isn't creepy. Plus, Phoebe tells me why certain foods are off limits when she's eating with someone who isn't also black, as was the case with her ex boyfriend.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I never ate watermelon in front of him. Like, I'm like, I just can't.

[Dan Pashman]

Even after three or four years, I'm

[Phoebe Robinson]

like, I know we're together, but it just. I don't know, it's just like a weird society. Just makes me feel weird about stuff.

[Dan Pashman]

Stick around. This is the Sporkful. It's not for foodies. It's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people. As I said, Phoebe Robinson is a comic, but she's also a writer, actor, and podcast host. For several years, she Co hosted 2 Dope Queens along with her good friend and fellow comedian Jessica Williams. The show started as a podcast. Now it's an HBO comedy special. Welcome to 2 Dope Queen.

[Phoebe Robinson]

The audience was right there with us, and it was just like wall to wall laug talking to these guests. It's a dream. I was surprised at how bougie Jon Stewart was with the pizza.

[Moshe Kasher]

Generally, pizza is so warm.

[Dan Pashman]

In the last few years, Phoebe's career has just gotten bigger and bigger. She played Ciara in the film what Men Want. Earlier this spring, when Michelle Obama went on her book tour, Phoebe interviewed Michelle on stage. At several events. And season four of Phoebe's podcast, so Many White Guys just launched.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yes, babies, Phoebe Robinson here. I'm back with the brand new season of so Many White Guys with WNYC Studios. You know the show where I do a bunch of hard hitting interviews with incredible people who aren't just a bunch of white guys? Yeah, that one. I mean, you can call me the Christian Amapour of comedie, the Diane Sawyer of podcast, the Connie Chong who didn't get married to Maury Povich. I mean, girl, what you doing? Anyway, I dig up stories on the show.

[Dan Pashman]

Phoebe interviews a wide range of smart, funny guests, Everyone from Terry Gross to Tyra Banks. But no straight white guys. Not until the last episode of the season when she interviews just one token straight white guy. One season, it was Tom Hanks. Phoebe and I met up for a late lunch at the General Green restaurant in Brooklyn. She's been so busy with so many work projects. I asked her how that stress affects her eating.

[Phoebe Robinson]

There was like a month where I was just ordering takeout every day to like, my apartment was like, from a burger joint from like Italian place, like Thai food. And I was just eating, eating until I felt like I could move. It's not good.

[Dan Pashman]

What are some of your go to's when you're stressed out?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, my gosh. I have a lot. Okay, so smart food popcorn is like one of my go tos. I'm like, it has the word smart in it. So it's like, it's great branding. It's not horrible, but it's like definitely horrible.

[Dan Pashman]

Like sun chips. They put the word sun in it. They're like, well, that sounds natural and healthy.

[Phoebe Robinson]

It's awful. So like that. And I really like, I love like a nice penne vodka. You know what I mean? Just like sit at home with that.

[Dan Pashman]

The sauce gets like all up in the holes of the pasta into the penne and it gets like all. Yeah, you mix it around and.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah. But then I'll do things where it's like, sometimes I'll like, stress eat healthily, which I always think is like, ridiculous. Like, I'll be like, I'm just gonna eat really green today. So it was just like salad, salad, apples, smoothie. And it's just like. And I'm just like in the bathroom for like three hours. It's like, you literally just ate a farm. What are you doing? So sometimes it will, like, my body would be like, all right, you gotta. You gotta release the stress some other way, right? But yeah, those are like anything that's carb heavy. I really. Carbs make me feel good, which I know is a whole horrible thing to say. No, I don't. I. I don't know. It just feels.

[Dan Pashman]

You're being a little hard on yourself. No, but, you know, you're not talking about heroin here. Okay, it's gonna be.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I know, but I feel like, like emotionally eating, which is what I do sometimes, it's like, not the healthiest thing to do. But you're right. It could be drugs, and it's not right.

[Dan Pashman]

It's like, you know, all things in moderation, including moderation. You know, like, most eating is emotional in one way or another, you know, Like, I was working from home all day yesterday. I couldn't wait to eat the next thing I was gonna eat. I. Man, I'm work hours. I'm going to eat something else after that. It's going to be great. Those are the highlights of the day.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah, that's true. It's hard for me to do an appetizer and an entree.

[Dan Pashman]

That's a lot.

[Phoebe Robinson]

That's a lot. And I wear skinny jeans, and skinny jeans look great, but they don't really allow you to eat, so I have to not eat all day. And then I can wear cute clothes and then just be, like, a monster for dinner.

[Dan Pashman]

And then. Do you ever end up having to, like, unbutton your pants?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Pashman]

The other.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Just. Just. And I had dinner. We went to an Italian place. We got, like, pizzas and, like, whatever, and I think I had. I had a show, and she was gonna go to a concert, and so we were waiting for our Ubers outside. I was like, all right, I gotta, like, button my pants back up. And she was like, what do you. What do you mean? You have to button your pants back up? I was like, oh, well, if I. If I'm gonna go to a hearty restaurant, I'll sit down, like, unbutton my pants, cover it with a napkin, and I can eat.

[Dan Pashman]

Such a good move. Yeah.

[Phoebe Robinson]

She's like, wait, is this a thing? And I was like, she didn't know about this? Yeah. I was like, this is a Phoebe thing, for damn sure.

[Dan Pashman]

Right? Yeah.

[Phoebe Robinson]

She's never. She doesn't. She's like, this is bizarre. And I'm like, well, how else do

[Dan Pashman]

you eat good food in Buttlook in massive quantities? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, like, different settings on my belt. Yeah. Like, I have, like, the default, like, what? Normal morning setting. And there's, like, the, you know, big meal setting, and there's like, Thanksgiving dinner setting.

[Phoebe Robinson]

You know, that's the only way to live. But she was just like, this is insane behavior. And I'm like, I had the best meal, so.

[Dan Pashman]

Well, I'm with you, Phoebe. I don't think that sounds insane at all.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Thank you.

[Dan Pashman]

This is a safe space for you.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, thank you so much.

[Dan Pashman]

And she's always talked openly about dating and relationships in her comedy. This clip from 2 Dope Queens comes from a period when she was single. Phoebe tells Jessica Williams about an experience she had on Tinder. Right.

[Phoebe Robinson]

And so it was a good conversation with the first guy. He's a. He's a chef. So we're talking. Everything was like, fine. Like, like, when's your birthday? Like, what are you into? Really cool. And then he was like, I know where. He's like, what's your background? I was like, okay, my background? Like, where I'm from, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio. And he's like, lol. No. What's your ethnicity? And I was like, black. Like, you saw my picture, right? You said. You said he was white, right? He's white. And so I go black, and he goes, Caribbean or American? Boo. And I was like, american sup? That's very Trump rally of you. And I want you to feel it. Very Trump rally go off. And he goes, lol, Nothing. You're hot either way. And I was like, sick. Die in a fire. Like, kill yourself. Yourself, bro. You need to start saying just crazy. Like, maybe you need to just be out. You used to be like, I'm pure white. I have this condition.

[Dan Pashman]

Oh, here we go.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, look at those fries.

[Dan Pashman]

Cubana. You can put that in front of me. Going half, though. Okay.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is.

[Dan Pashman]

Can I request, please, could we get two small plates? And could we also get one extra biscuit, please? Yeah. Thank you.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I'm so glad you said that, because I didn't want to be rude, but I was like, I'm not sharing this biscuit with you. It's definitely not happening.

[Dan Pashman]

No, I was into participating that because also. Yeah, thank you. Just feel free to stick your hands into my fries at any time.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Okay, cool. How should we do this? Because this is, like, messy. Scoop it onto your plate.

[Dan Pashman]

We should get. Yeah, perfect. We should probably get a spoon too, so I can spoon some gravy.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Oh, my God. This is. This looks so good.

[Dan Pashman]

Phoebe, I love that you and I are not shy by sharing our food together. What. What are your feelings about sharing food on a first date? Like, sometimes there's going to be boundary issues with that.

[Phoebe Robinson]

You just have to ask and then it's fine. I'm like, so I'm so down with sharing food.

[Dan Pashman]

Do you have preferred methods of sharing? Because on a date it can be a little bit like, you know, you ask for some. It's one thing if the person cuts off a piece and puts it on the side of your plate.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah.

[Dan Pashman]

Or they just say, here, stick your fork into mine.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Digging in.

[Dan Pashman]

Or, but. Or they could put the bite on their own fork and then hand you the fork. And that's a little bit more intimate.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Right. That's a lot. I like that. Like, you just dig in, get a little bit.

[Dan Pashman]

What about if a guy handed you the fork?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Okay.

[Dan Pashman]

It's his fork.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Okay.

[Dan Pashman]

So let's say I take my fork, I stab a piece of food, and then I hand you my fork. So it's a fork that I've already used. There's a certain level of intimacy there.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I'm okay with that.

[Dan Pashman]

But you're still controlling it. You're not being fed.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Right. Like, but don't feed me. It's like. Cause I don't want to.

[Dan Pashman]

Right.

[Phoebe Robinson]

It's too, like out of a movie or something. It feels. I don't know, it just feels weird.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah. I think the only time feeding is acceptable is if like the. The bite has been composed on the fork so precariously that switching the handle could lose the bite off the fork. And if you're really in a. That's dangerous. Yeah, that's dangerous territory.

[Phoebe Robinson]

You don't want to waste food.

[Dan Pashman]

Right.

[Phoebe Robinson]

You don't want to drop it. Ruin that perfect bite. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm slowly trying to get back on to the dating stuff. It's just hard because I work a lot. I feel like things are changed, like so much. And I'm a proud ass feminist. Like, for sure, for sure. But I'm like, if a dude doesn't pay on the first date, I'm like, that is some bullshit. Are you kidding me?

[Dan Pashman]

Right?

[Phoebe Robinson]

You're not going to pay?

[Dan Pashman]

And what? They just like, how do they actually navigate that?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Well, I've had someone be like, they want, you know, some guys are like, well, you know, like, we'll just like go like Dutch. And I'm like, this isn't a fucking field trip to Six Flags. Like, not going Dutch with you. Like, we're adults and I'm not like, you have to pay for everything. But like, initially I kind of like get the cute outfits and like put makeup on and like, do all these things look great? You can, like, pay. But also, I. But I also do feel like some guys have probably been burned. Were, like, some girl who probably wasn't interested in them anyway. Go out to dinner, they get, like, an expensive thing off the menu, right? And then you, like, never hear from again. Like, that is. You have to be reasonable. Like, if you gonna. Like, I don't want a guy to spend, like, a hundred dollars on me. Me on a date. Like, that's absurd.

[Dan Pashman]

And on a first date, you're expecting him to pay. Would you be conscious of, like, how much the thing you order costs?

[Phoebe Robinson]

For sure. I'm conscious of that. And I also. I don't do the fake reaching for the. The wallet. I don't. I don't do it.

[Dan Pashman]

You're not even playing.

[Phoebe Robinson]

No, because I don't want to be like. Because if you do it, then they might be like, okay, great, and then you're, like, pissed. So I'm like. I'm just. I just chill. I just, like, wait. Like, we're just gonna hang out, but

[Dan Pashman]

I'm not gonna sit here all night long. I'm not going anywhere.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I know.

[Dan Pashman]

Coming up, Phoebe and I talk more about dating in restaurants. Let's pick things up with another clip from her show with Jessica Williams, Two Dobe queens.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I've been going on more auditions, which has been fun, but it's also been kind of weird because I'm getting sent on a lot of, like, best black girlfriend parts. What do you mean by best black girls? Like, mm, girl, get it together. It's like, so what are your. So what are your parts? Like, so my character. I'm like, the character who, like, just sits at home and waits for, like, my white best friend to come home and download about her life. Okay. And I'm just, like, watching, like, Moeshe. Hold on. So let me. That's crazy. Wait. I want to do it. I want to do it. I want to do it. I want to do it. So I'm going to. You're home already? And I'm coming home because I had. I had the craziest date with, like, Patrick Wilson or some bullshit like that, right? Oh, my God.

[Natasha Leggero]

Hey, girl.

[Phoebe Robinson]

Hey, Sequoia. I have the craziest.

[Dan Pashman]

That way Phoebe feels when she goes on auditions is kind of like the way she feels sometimes when she goes out to eat.

[Phoebe Robinson]

And we walked in, and I would see only person of color there who, like, wasn't wait staff. And I was like. And I go, this is why I don't eat in this area because this is like, literally always, like, what happens. And, like, we were walking and, like, everyone was just, like, staring at me in a way where I was like, this is New York. Like, you haven't seen a black person eat pasta before. So it's just like, stuff like that where I think I'm much more conscious of, like, where is this restaurant located? If it's, like, in an area that's, like, particularly open to people of color, then I, like, won't eat there, which is, like, a bummer because I'm sure I'm missing out on some good food. But that's the thing that makes me. I don't want to be stared at and, like, just watching just people of color just waiting on white people, but they can't necessarily afford to eat at the place. I'm just like, that. That makes you sad.

[Dan Pashman]

So when you. I know you mentioned your ex was white. When you guys would go out together, were there ever times you would be at a restaurant where one of you would feel more comfortable than the other?

[Phoebe Robinson]

I think for both sides, yes.

[Dan Pashman]

Can you give me an example of each?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah. I just think, like, we, like, we're in, like, a predominantly white neighborhood. There always be, like, what's this? What do they mean to each other that they're eating at this restaurant? Are they, like, co workers? Are they, like, friends? Are they roommates? And so that would just be like, now, this is my boyfriend. Yes. We're on a date. People date. They don't have the same skin color. It's fine. But I think, like, it was always worse, like, walking around. That's like, when people, like, heckle us or, like, say things and be like, like, I had this one guy go, why aren't you dating an African prince? And I'm like, where is he? You know? But it's also like, why does it matter that I'm dating, like, a white dude? And vice versa? And so that was always kind of, like, frustrating. Like, because we'll have, like, a good date and we'll, like, be walking home and then, like, someone says that you're like, can we just get, like, a night off where it's, like, fine and, like, no one is paying attention to us, but you just gotta. Just got soldier on. Like, it's way better than it was in the 60s. So I don't wanna, you know, like, we couldn't have been at the same restaurant in the 60s, so.

[Dan Pashman]

Right. Which I guess is like consolation, but also like a backhanded, like. Yeah, backhanded compliment to the present. And what was the situation where your boyfriend was the one who felt less comfortable?

[Phoebe Robinson]

I think just in general, it's just like, he didn't wanna feel like, oh, people are thinking like, oh, who this, like, white dude? And, like, why is he coming up in here? I think he maybe might have felt more, like, the whole gentrification, like, worry. Like, I don't want people to think that, like, I'm some rich kid who's, like, living off of mommy and daddy, and I'm gonna come in here and, like, change this whole scenario. It's like he was, like, a teacher. He's not like, you know, we're like, same equal in terms of income. So I think that was, like, his concerns. Like, he didn't want to feel like people perceived him as a threat. So I think it was just kind of like. It's just we were just always in our head just being like, I hope everyone thinks everything is okay with us. So I think that was more the thing that he felt.

[Dan Pashman]

And I guess it's just like. And you talked about sort of like the sort of the exhausting feeling of, like, what will white people think? It's got to be like, the whole, like, tipping

[Phoebe Robinson]

an amazing tipper.

[Dan Pashman]

Because you want to combat the stereotype.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I over tip all the time. Yep.

[Dan Pashman]

So when we leave this restaurant, should we leave a really big tip, or should I pay and leave a really bad tip to try to do the opposite stereotype?

[Phoebe Robinson]

No, we have to leave it really good tip.

[Dan Pashman]

Okay.

[Phoebe Robinson]

All right. Because they let us be here.

[Dan Pashman]

That's true.

[Phoebe Robinson]

You know, so we gotta, like, help pay their rent.

[Dan Pashman]

All right, I'll tell them. What was your idea?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah, please. Right? Like, Phoebe Robinson said, I should tip this much. Everyone should start doing that. My black friend Phoebe Robinson be like, oh, okay, cool.

[Dan Pashman]

Please sign all checks that way going forward.

[Phoebe Robinson]

That'd be awesome.

[Dan Pashman]

That's Phoebe Robinson. Coming up, I speak with husband and wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. We'll discuss their marriage and their podcast. Then I'll bring in my wife Janie and turn to them for some relationship advice. Stick around.

[Phoebe Robinson]

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on talk text and data exclusions like taxes and fees apply. See t mobile.com for details. Welcome back to A Sporkful Reheat. I'm Dan Pashman. Hey, if you're not already following the Sporkful in your podcasting app, what are you waiting for? In Apple Podcasts and Spotify? Go to our show page and click Follow. In other apps, it might be like a plus sign or a subscribe button or a heart. Whatever it is in your podcasting app, please do that thing. It's the best way to ensure you'll never miss an episode and it's good for our show. So please go ahead and do it right now while you're listening. Thank you. Now let's hear my conversation with comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Yeah, so you guys may know this already, but this is a food podcast. Yeah, but like, we also like to have fun and, you know, talk. Get to know people by. By talking about food. So it's not like our motto is, it's not for foodies. It's for eaters.

[Moshe Kasher]

Great.

[Dan Pashman]

So no special food expertise is required?

[Moshe Kasher]

Well, we're. We're big eaters. We might even be. We might even be foodies.

[Dan Pashman]

What makes you say that?

[Moshe Kasher]

Well, one of our main pastimes is exploring and finding great restaurants. So, I mean, what else is there, right?

[Dan Pashman]

That does sound like foodie talk, Moshe.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, I mean, how else could you qualify? I don't know. Wait, can I ask you, have we begun?

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, we're due. Oh, okay. Hey, Natasha, turn it up.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I was saving a story about why we're foodies for when we did podcasts.

[Moshe Kasher]

Listen, we were not even just. If you're listening right now, what you've heard the last 45 to 90 seconds is us when we're off. So buckle up. Cause things are about to change.

[Dan Pashman]

Now, what was your question? This is the Sporkful. It's not for foodies, Dan. It's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people. Today on the show, my guests are husband and wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. They often perform stand up together as they did on Netflix in what they called their honeymoon special. In one bit, they talk about Natasha's conversion to Judaism before their marriage.

[Natasha Leggero]

I was raised Catholic, and it's much easier to become Christian.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, it's a really complicated thing to. To become Jewish.

[Natasha Leggero]

But Christianity, Christianity, you just have to, like, walk to a mall and walk by a lady's foot walker and they hand you a Bible and then you're Christian. Like, that's all that's involved.

[Moshe Kasher]

Jews are like, there's a lot involved.

[Natasha Leggero]

Why do Jews make it so hard to convert?

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know. We don't want you.

[Natasha Leggero]

But you would think they would want more members since that membership drop off. That happened a while ago. I am Jewish. I can say that.

[Dan Pashman]

Later. In that Honeymoon special, they call couples up to both roast them and offer relationship advice. Now, Natasha and Moshe are offering similar types of advice in their new podcast, the Endless Honeymoon. They do also perform and work separately. Natasha is well known as a creator and star of The Comedy Central show another period. And Moshe wrote a funny, powerful memoir called Casher in the Rye, a play on his last name. The subtitle is the true tale of a white boy from Oakland who became a drug addict, criminal mental patient, and then turns 16. As I said, Natasha and Moshe have their own podcast, which was quickly evident when we spoke recently because they started off asking me questions.

[Moshe Kasher]

What do you think is the most delicious fast food item?

[Dan Pashman]

Item?

[Moshe Kasher]

Like?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Like.

[Dan Pashman]

Like, not from. Like, from a specific place or.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, we're not asking for the greatest fast food place, but I'm talking the greatest dish at. Available at fast food.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know what mine is.

[Moshe Kasher]

What is it?

[Dan Pashman]

Are we talking old school, greasy fast food or like, any. I would probably go the burger at Shake Shack.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay, that's a pretty good Shake Shack burger. That's a pretty good New York centric answer.

[Dan Pashman]

If you want me to go like old school fast food, I would say the Burger King chicken sandwich.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, okay.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay. Have you had the In N Out burger?

[Dan Pashman]

I have. I've spent my time in California. I think In N Out is good.

[Moshe Kasher]

You're being condescending. I can feel it. I can feel it in your tone.

[Natasha Leggero]

But Shake Shack. Shake Shack. To me, the bun is better, but the patty's a little salty.

[Dan Pashman]

What about you guys? I want each of you to tell me your favorite fast food dish.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay. Mine is gonna be a little controversial, but I would say that the chicken, whatever. The chicken in the chicken soft taco at Taco Bell is. Whatever that slew of redness is, is honestly one of the most delicious things not only that I've tasted at a fast food restaurant, but that I've ever tasted. Moshe, it's so good. It's so good. Listen, the engineer here at the studio is nodding demonstratively.

[Dan Pashman]

Yes.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay, just so you guys know, then

[Dan Pashman]

it must be true.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, it's gotta be true.

[Natasha Leggero]

Mine is a cheeseburger at In N Out. Shake Shack. Close second. And then any other fast food I will not eat. Except I do remember thinking a chicken McNugget was good.

[Moshe Kasher]

Those are pretty rough.

[Natasha Leggero]

Rough?

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know. They just don't feel like sometimes they're, like, different colors. I know. Did you know this? And I don't know if you had an agenda for this interview, but it looks like that's over with.

[Dan Pashman]

Eventually, the conversation did settle into some semblance of order. I started off by asking Natasha about the foods she ate growing up.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm from Rockford, Illinois, and I didn't really even have Sushi until I was like, 23.

[Moshe Kasher]

So, yeah, no, the fancy restaurant that Natasha used to eat at was the local Beefaroo.

[Natasha Leggero]

Beefaroo is like, Moshe thinks it's so funny because of the name, but it's a Rockford staple. And it's like a. It's like where you get, like, roast beef sandwiches to go. Like, it's like a drive in.

[Dan Pashman]

Okay, gotcha.

[Natasha Leggero]

But there's a lot of, like, online. There's a lot of reviews of Beefaroo. People giving reviews in their car.

[Moshe Kasher]

Just a guy in his car in Rockford. Yeah. Making deep eye contact with a camera going, burger King. Nope. Beefaroo. Wendy's. Nope. Beefaroo. And it was a very compelling argument. Honestly, it made me want to go.

[Natasha Leggero]

You would not like it.

[Dan Pashman]

And am I right, Natasha? Like, your parents split up when you were pretty young, so you. It was you and your mom was working, so it was like you were kind of the mom figure to your younger brothers.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, my mom was very present. But also, yes, I was kind of in charge of the cooking. And I would help. I would iron, and I would pack their lunches. And we all went to Catholic school, so they all had, like. I had to iron their uniforms.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, this is so cute.

[Natasha Leggero]

I cleaned. I babysat. I always had a job. I worked at a grocery store. I had two paper routes.

[Moshe Kasher]

The good news is things really changed one night when there was a big ball that was being held in the center of town and her stepsisters got invited, but she didn't, but she snuck off.

[Natasha Leggero]

I was kind of in charge of making dinner every night. So what I would make is this little thing called Lipton rice and soup mix. And it's like a packet or it's like Lipton rice dishes.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, yeah. When Natasha and I first started dating, she straight up bragged unironically. She's like, no one can open an envelope of food and make a dish with it better than I can.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I'm good at microwaving. I know the right dishes that can be microwaved. I'm pretty much an expert in all things. Like, I know how much water to measure. I know. Like, you know, I know. You know, you don't want it too watery. So I would make, like, one of these Lipton rice dishes for my brothers every night. And then we would go out to eat. There was one restaurant called Lino's, an Italian restaurant we would go to. And then there was one Chinese restaurant called the Great Wall.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, and didn't your Grill?

[Janie]

No.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thai? No. Sushi. Oh, my grandma made the salads at one of the Italian restaurants in town.

[Moshe Kasher]

Well, tell them about. That's an interesting story.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah. So my dad would. My dad told me that she was older or. No, she didn't have a sense of smell. Oh, no. She didn't have a sense of taste. So she had to. She would make the salad and then have to smell it to see if it was right.

[Moshe Kasher]

Is that how the story goes?

[Natasha Leggero]

That's what he said. Cause he's.

[Dan Pashman]

What's your recollection of the story, Moshe?

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know. I remember hearing it and being intrigued, but when Natasha just told it, it felt like a lie. Did it not feel like that to you?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I remember my dad because my dad made us the same salad when he came to visit and he told us the story and then said how she would say sniff to see if there was enough oil, vinegar, onion, etc. And it's the old style Italian salad, which has like hard boiled egg, chunks of meat, cheese, olive oil, pepper, pepperoncinis, balsamic, that kind of thing.

[Moshe Kasher]

Her dad came up to me the other day. He's like a classic Italian guy, pinky ring and all that. And he's like, you know, probably has had limited interaction with the Jews, although he does live in Florida now, so maybe there's been some more. And he goes. He's like, now, Moshe, do you like garlic? I was like, yeah, I like garlic. He's like, how about linguine? Do you, like, know what linguine is? I'm like, yeah, John, I know what linguini is. He's like, now, do you like. I mean, it was like. It was like basically a guy going, do you like stuff that's good? Do you like good stuff at all? Yeah, I do.

[Dan Pashman]

So that's a bit of Natasha's backstory. Today she's moved beyond food in packets. She's into sushi, for example. But Moshe is the one who's really into food, and he's always been that way.

[Natasha Leggero]

When he was a little boy in San Francisco, Oakland, for his birthday every year.

[Moshe Kasher]

Keep in mind, by the way, that I was raised with a deaf mother, a deaf single mother who was on welfare, so we were very poor. As she tells you this tale.

[Natasha Leggero]

But also all Moshe wanted for his birthday since he was a little kid is to go to a fancy restaurant. So his mom would take him on his birthday every year. Yeah, she would say a place they couldn't afford.

[Moshe Kasher]

Once a year we would go to like a kind of a high end restaurant. And we would have like a special meal on my birthday. So I've been, I've been, you know, obnoxiously and pretentiously sucking juices off of my fingertips since I was a very little boy on welfare in Oakland.

[Natasha Leggero]

Since we're roasting people right now, Moshe, why don't you explain your, your diet, what foods you can't eat.

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't want to get into that.

[Natasha Leggero]

I got a very food podcast.

[Moshe Kasher]

Here's the deal. I don't eat pork or shellfish ever.

[Dan Pashman]

Because, you know, that's a Jew thing, guys.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's a Jew thing.

[Natasha Leggero]

Just, you know, saying you'll eat regular chicken.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'll eat regular chicken, but only kosher beef. Only kosher beef and lamb and stuff.

[Natasha Leggero]

And then you won't eat fish that have fins in a certain way.

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't eat. Well, I'll try to avoid all the non kosher fishes, although I can't really keep track of what they are.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, isn't swordfish not kosher?

[Dan Pashman]

Swordfish, I think is one of those borderline ones.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, that's exactly right. In fact, I think the conservative Jews eat swordfish, but the orthodox don't.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah, like it depends on which rabbi is cooking for you.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, if it's a Charlie Tuna, he's all for. And then I try to avoid dairy products just cause.

[Natasha Leggero]

Except for dessert.

[Moshe Kasher]

Except for dessert. But I also really like cheese and it's very complicated. But I don't like raw tomatoes. And that has nothing to do with ideology or my body. It's just the way that I am.

[Dan Pashman]

Do your quasi kosher habits actually have anything to do with religious belief? Or is it more like cultural? Like this is how you were raised? In a certain point, it's just too weird.

[Moshe Kasher]

Well, the answer is kind of yes to both. Basically, the reason I started making dietary changes with pork and shellfish and kosher stuff is necessarily because I believe it has any intrinsic value, but because I wanted to infuse my eating, especially my consumption of meat, with slightly more mindfulness. And I thought, you know, here I am a Jew, I might as well take this system of mindfulness to reduce my meat consumption. Since I want to do that anyway. Why not infuse, you know, spirituality of some sort even into my eating choices?

[Dan Pashman]

Moshe, why did you want to go to fancy restaurants when you were a kid?

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know why. I guess I had like a strangely developed palate when I was a kid. There was always something that was really Exciting about going to a restaurant especially, I think, because we were so poor. And so primarily we were. It wasn't really sustenance eating, but it was definitely like, you know, co op in bulk, bags of beans and things like that. So that when I got an opportunity to experience food not necessarily as just a staff of life thing, but as an experiential thing, it was like, super exciting to me and always was. I don't know where I got that from, honestly, because I'm kind of the only person in my family who's like, could be classified as, like a. A foodie.

[Dan Pashman]

Right. There was a story that. That I read that one of you told about a time, kind of earlier in your relationship when you guys stayed at a hotel in New Orleans.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, most of we, like when we first started dating, we started realizing, like, okay, how are we gonna. Because, like, I like to stay at nice hotels, and Moshe thinks that hotels should cost $100 a night. And so I would just, I guess, lie to him about how much it costs.

[Moshe Kasher]

It's not a night.

[Dan Pashman]

You would book the hotel and not tell him that it was as expensive as it was.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, no, no, no, no. That's such a charitable interpretation. She would book the hotel and tell me a price. That was a lie. That was not the right. Not the price.

[Natasha Leggero]

But then you'd only have to pay, like, if I told you it was $200, you only had to pay 100. Please don't mention the rate when we check in. And then I also tell them, please make sure you don't put a bill under the door.

[Moshe Kasher]

Right.

[Natasha Leggero]

But then this idiot put a bill under the door, Right?

[Moshe Kasher]

And we did get into a fight. It became a big fight because it was, you know, I felt slighted or wronged because it was of the dishonesty or whatever. But it ended up. I think this is what you're getting at. It ended up with a nice solution, peaceable kingdom solution, which was that I would pay. Even though now we have joint checking accounts, we still do this. I would pay for all of the meals, and she would pay for all of the hotels. And I would never ask how much the hotel was. And it created a harmonious area in our relationship where there used to be friction. And what's funny about it all is I really thought that I, like, you know, I won. But now I realize we eat three times a day. We stay at a hotel room maybe like 10 times a year. And I think I got the raw end of the deal, actually.

[Dan Pashman]

But are you also Moshe the one where, like, eating at rest, like, having some sort of power or control or say, over the restaurant is more important to you than it is to Natasha. It sounds like, Natasha, you care more about the hotel, and Moshe, you care more about the food.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's true.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's exactly right. And I think we both sort of identified that. We identified that, like, and I feel like a lot of couples, when they fight, they're fight. You know, they always say that couples are having, like the same three fights over and over again. And that was definitely true for us. We were having the same fight about the same issue, and we just found a way to sidestep the issue altogether. I don't think we've really had an argument about money. Since.

[Dan Pashman]

You hear that story and you can understand why Natasha and Moshe have a podcast where they offer relationship advice to other couples. Right. Well, coming up, we turn this podcast into their podcast. When my wife Janie calls in for advice. Stick around.

[Moshe Kasher]

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[Dan Pashman]

now back to my conversation with comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Janie will join us by phone in a few minutes. But first, we have a little more ground to cover. As you heard, Moshe is Jewish. Natasha converted to Judaism when they got married, I wanted to get their quick takes on some Jewish culinary staples. So I picked a few entries from Tablet magazine's list of the 100 most Jewish foods and told Natasha and Moshe it was time for a lightning round.

[Moshe Kasher]

All right, let's do it. Lightning round.

[Dan Pashman]

Okay, lightning round. First up, Hydrox cookies.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's a Jewish food. Those are the ones that don't have pork in them.

[Dan Pashman]

Right. Well, Oreos are now kosher, but originally Oreos were not kosher. And actually Hydrox came first before Oreos.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, I remember we could eat those. And I remember there was a Muslim kid in my class named Khalil, and the one thing we bonded over was that we both couldn't eat Oreos. So yes to Hydrox, yes to Khalil, yes to Islam.

[Dan Pashman]

Natasha.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't know. They seem like they might be dry

[Dan Pashman]

without the pork fat, without the gelatin or whatever it is.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Dan Pashman]

All right, next one. Matzo braai.

[Natasha Leggero]

Don't get it.

[Dan Pashman]

What?

[Natasha Leggero]

I know. So many people are like, it's so delicious. And then every time it comes, it's like wet crackers.

[Moshe Kasher]

I know. I want to like it. It's a food that I want to like.

[Dan Pashman]

Another one on the list. The used tea bag.

[Moshe Kasher]

What?

[Natasha Leggero]

These are the top.

[Moshe Kasher]

Wait, is this the top? Sex positions.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's a type of Jewish food.

[Dan Pashman]

Is used Tablet insists that this is a Jewish thing, to make tea from a teabag, and then put the tea bag aside and save it so you can use it to make tea again later.

[Moshe Kasher]

That doesn't sound like a Jewish food. It sounds like a Jewish stereotype.

[Dan Pashman]

I know. Although I have to tell you that my wife takes. She makes herself tea in the morning, and the teabag stays in the glass, and she refills the water over the course of the day. But she would probably say that it's just because she likes it. Not too strong, not because she's trying. Well, she's pretty frugal. She may be trying to save money.

[Moshe Kasher]

And it's a bargain.

[Dan Pashman]

All right, one more for you.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yep.

[Dan Pashman]

Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year is coming up.

[Moshe Kasher]

Sure.

[Dan Pashman]

Apples and honey.

[Moshe Kasher]

The best, best combo of all time.

[Natasha Leggero]

What's even better is what you serve it with, which is grilled cheese or fried foods.

[Moshe Kasher]

Wait, no, that's Saponica. I think we're mixing.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, didn't we have apples and honey? And then also we had grilled cheese with it.

[Moshe Kasher]

That had nothing to do with Rosh Hashanah. That's what we had on hand.

[Phoebe Robinson]

That was so good.

[Dan Pashman]

I believe it was my monarchy who said no. But that sounds like a great idea, though, Natasha. I think that you're right that the cool crisp of apple and the sweetness of the honey would go really well with the grilled cheese. I think that makes total sense.

[Moshe Kasher]

And also, grilled cheese with honey on it is not bad at all.

[Natasha Leggero]

We should always have that for Rosh Hashanah.

[Moshe Kasher]

Really good. You haven't mentioned the greatest Jewish food of all time, for my money, which is what? If you leave aside the potato knish is chalant. That is my favorite Jewish food.

[Natasha Leggero]

Really?

[Moshe Kasher]

It's, you know, Jewish. It's basically Jewish stew, and it's the most delicious thing we've done.

[Natasha Leggero]

Matzo ball soup. That's what I pick.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's pretty good.

[Dan Pashman]

Matzo ball soup's your favorite, Natasha?

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes.

[Dan Pashman]

How fluffy or firm do you like your matzo balls?

[Moshe Kasher]

Great question.

[Dan Pashman]

Thank you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Firm but fluffy.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, great answer.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't want it falling apart. Like, I like that. It's, like, going to be like a ball sitting in the pit of my stomach eventually. But, you know, you don't want it to be, like, hard.

[Moshe Kasher]

Right.

[Dan Pashman]

So maybe you like a bigger matzo ball that's gonna have more textural variation between the perimeter and the center of the ball.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. Greenblatts in LA has a really good one.

[Dan Pashman]

So in the spirit of your podcast where you take calls from couples, I am very pleased now to bring in a special guest live on the phone from my house. It's my wife, Jamie.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yay, Jamie.

[Natasha Leggero]

How exciting.

[Moshe Kasher]

We hear you like a dirty tea, B.

[Janie]

I was listening, actually. In my house, the whole family shares one tea bag.

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know if that's legal, but we like it.

[Dan Pashman]

Janie, I was struggling to say for sure is that that's listed under Jewish foods. Moshe suggested that it's a Jewish stereotype. Do you reuse the same teabag throughout the day because you like the way the tea tastes or because you like to save money on tea bags?

[Janie]

I think a little bit of both. In the morning, I need the strong caffeine, but I feel like it's kind of wasteful. I don't like the tea so strong later in the day, so I'm not going to keep opening. I don't want to open up a new tea bag and then only let it. Keep it in the water for a minute and throw it out. So I'll just reuse the same one.

[Moshe Kasher]

Sure. I mean, tea bags are expensive.

[Natasha Leggero]

You're doing PG tips or what?

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah. What's your tea game look like?

[Janie]

Lemon Lift is what I use in the morning, and then I love lemon at night.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wow, you're healthy. That's your jolt of caffeine.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's impressive.

[Moshe Kasher]

Sometimes you just need a little lemon lift in the morning. Have you heard of coffee, by the way?

[Janie]

I feel like I need coffee at like 2 o' clock in the afternoon.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah, yeah. But sometimes, like, if I'm home in the afternoon, you'll say, like, oh, I'm really tired. And you know, as if they're like, what? If only there was a solution to this problem of feeling tired. And I'll say, well, would you like me to make you a cup of coffee? And you'll say, oh, right, coffee. That's the thing. And then I usually make you a cup of coffee. And then what happens to it?

[Janie]

I mean, I drink it, but it sometimes sits there for a while.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

I think we're getting into your pet peeves.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, right.

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah.

[Janie]

I don't know what you want me to say. You want me to say I either drink it too fast or not fast enough?

[Dan Pashman]

Yeah. I often find half of it sitting around the kitchen, like six hours later. And then I have to dump it.

[Moshe Kasher]

You guys seem like what I would call a happily married couple.

[Dan Pashman]

Moshe and Natasha. Is there information that I can like? You guys take the lead here. Now pretend it's your show. Like, what questions do you have for us, Janie?

[Natasha Leggero]

Do you have a pet peeve?

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah. What do you guys fight about the most? That is not your fault.

[Janie]

Nothing is my fault.

[Natasha Leggero]

I believe her.

[Moshe Kasher]

But what's your most common fight about? That you would say is not because of something you do, but because.

[Janie]

Well, I don't know if Dan would say. It's probably not a common fight, but there is something that I do that really drives Dan kind of nuts. One of my pet peeves is that I really don't like when dispenser, like soap or lotion dispensers, like, the pump doesn't go to the bottom, so there's a lot left, but you can't pump it out. So I put water, like the soap and the dishwashing stuff, I put water into the bottom of it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Sounds kind of like your tea situation oddly familiar, right?

[Moshe Kasher]

You're like, if I can't get the last little drips of soap, I'll just dip a little teabag in there and swirl it around. Wait, so Dan, you don't like it when she does that?

[Natasha Leggero]

Because I wouldn't like it either, because then it waters everything down.

[Dan Pashman]

Watering. I go to wash my hands like, I want suds. I need to see suds and soap on my hands to feel like I'm cleaning them. And I go and I squirt the soap dispenser on my hand. And also because the water is well, because the watered down soap is, of course, more watery, it shoots out of the soap dispenser with more force. So you press down the dispenser and it shoots out this, like, soapy water that hits me, like, in the shirt. It, like, drills me in the chest for the first work.

[Moshe Kasher]

Drills you in the chest. How weak limbed are you? He's like soapy water.

[Phoebe Robinson]

It drills.

[Dan Pashman]

The wood wound is deep, Moshe. It's very deep.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm doubled over on my kitchen floor crawling to a matzo ball to just ladle a little bit of soup on it to get some more energy for the rest of my day. Okay, but you know what, Jeannie? I'm actually on your team on this. I agree that it's very wasteful. And I also.

[Natasha Leggero]

It is better for the environment.

[Moshe Kasher]

I will water down a little bit of soap. But I also. Dan, I relate to what you're saying. I like a little bit of thickness.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, my God. I have their answer. I have an answer for her, but I want to hear Dan's.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, Dan, what's yours?

[Natasha Leggero]

Dan's thing first?

[Moshe Kasher]

What do you think you guys fight about?

[Dan Pashman]

Well. Well, here's a good one. So, like, when we're gonna have people over, we both, like. We both do a lot like to, like, we're both doing a lot to get ready. I like to do the food because I'm sort of like the one who's. I mean, Janie is a good cook, but I sort of enjoy cooking more. But I sometimes get a little bit, like, worked up about, you know, I want the food to be just right, and I want it to be delicious, and I want people to eat when it's hot. And Jane, by a little worked up,

[Janie]

he means, like, days of anxiety.

[Moshe Kasher]

Believe me, we're on your team. We heard the adriel me in the chest snippet. So we believe you.

[Dan Pashman]

So it's something that we struggle with because I want to be relaxed when we have people over, and I want to hang out with friends and socialize and all that. But the flip side is that we wake up at 7 or 7:30 in the morning. We have kids. So we're up. People are coming at noon. And to me, it's like to get ready for. Sometimes it's 10 or 15. Coming to our house from 7am to noon is not that much time to cook and clean and get the house ready. And Janie will be like, looking at her computer, checking Facebook for an hour. She's like, we have plenty of time. We have plenty of time. And then at a certain point, she suddenly freaks out and says, oh my God, we have like, they're gonna be here soon. And I'm like, yeah, I've been trying to say that we need to like, pick up the pace here a little bit. So I feel like sometimes my anxiety is justified.

[Moshe Kasher]

Ah, okay, I gotcha.

[Natasha Leggero]

Can I take this one?

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, Tash, please.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, so you chime in, but I just feel like I have an answer.

[Moshe Kasher]

Thanks, hun. I will. I just felt like you. Me in the chest, rhetorically.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, well, I found out about these things. I know this is very obvious, but they have all these little things that are like these foam things you can buy. And all you do is put in a little bit of soap and it automatically comes out as a foam. It like mixes with water. You can put a little bit of soap and water in it and then it mixes. And so you always have like a nice foamy thing.

[Dan Pashman]

It's got the aerator pump that kind of like foams it. Right, right, right. Okay. All right.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's kind of awesome. I bought it. I put a little, little bit of Dr. Bronner's in it and I had like, like foamy soap for like weeks. It's great.

[Moshe Kasher]

Wait, but what about the other thing, which is that Jeannie's out here like painting her nails and getting a tan and going for bungee jumping lessons and going for a swim in the sea. And then Dan's there like honey, the matzo ball soup. The matzo balls haven't been rolled yet.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, Moshe and I also entertain.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

And what I usually. What I usually do is do everything and then give Moshe a few little things he's in charge of. Like I say, Moshe, make a playlist. And then he would make like the best playlist, way better than I could ever do. Like, we have a Hanukkah party every year. And he made this playlist that was like part Jewish rock mute, like any Jewish rock stars. And then like actual Jewish music. That was really good. You just found all this great stuff.

[Moshe Kasher]

I think that what Natasha's getting at

[Natasha Leggero]

is delegate what you're good at.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah. What Natasha's getting at is something that we've been it actually comes back to the fight about the hotel and the restaurant is that we've been very good at figuring out the things that the two of us are capable of doing and. And setting our expectations exactly there. Because, like, 90% of fights between people are. Because expectations that you already know aren't going to be met are not met. And you're going, why are my expectations not been met? So Jeannie will probably always lag on making the matzo balls, Dan. So probably you need to get up at 6 instead of 7 and not get up at 7 and wonder, where is Jeannie? Because she busy trying to get a bargain. She's been. She's so pumped up on Lemon Lift that she can't stay in the house one more hour. She's gotta run that. She's gotta run that energy out.

[Natasha Leggero]

And Dan, you don't know what it's like being a woman. She wants to have her nails painted for the party.

[Moshe Kasher]

I made up the nail painting thing, right?

[Phoebe Robinson]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

In fairness, I thought that was the issue.

[Dan Pashman]

Janie, you know, gets showered and dressed in about 12 minutes. So she's not someone who requires a lot of primping. I think she's just more of a procrastinator. Is that fair to say, Janie?

[Janie]

Yeah. And I think that we are pretty good at division of labor. Dan's in the kitchen, but I'm setting up the table and putting the chairs out and maybe getting the drinks ready. But I do save it to the last minute, which stresses him out, and it stresses me out. But I think that's just. I save everything to the last minute. So I think that's just kind of how I operate.

[Moshe Kasher]

You know, there was a saying in 12 step groups. It was, my resentments are directly proportional to my expectations. And I think that that is probably true.

[Natasha Leggero]

Lower your expectations.

[Moshe Kasher]

Well, just. You already have the. Dan, it's not ever gonna change. This is. Jeannie is the woman that you married. And so get up at 6 and start rolling them balls.

[Natasha Leggero]

That was not what he wanted to hear.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm sorry, dude.

[Dan Pashman]

So who's doing what? Janie, for our next barbecue, Dan's doing it all.

[Moshe Kasher]

You're cooking the pork chops, and Jeannie's buying the foam.

[Janie]

Well, how expensive is this foam dispenser?

[Moshe Kasher]

Get out of here. It's about, like. Just to put it in terms that you'll understand, it's about. Probably will cost you about about 42 teabags.

[Dan Pashman]

Moshe. That's about two years worth of tea bags.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's a lot.

[Dan Pashman]

You're right.

[Moshe Kasher]

I said too many. I overshot. There's no way, you guys. You know what? Maybe you guys should look into relationship counseling.

[Dan Pashman]

All right, well, Janie, thanks so much for calling in. You're great.

[Moshe Kasher]

Thanks, Janie.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thanks.

[Dan Pashman]

Love you.

[Janie]

Thanks.

[Moshe Kasher]

Love you.

[Dan Pashman]

Love you. All right, well, Moshe and Natasha, thank you guys so much. I love all your work. I love the podcast.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, thank you.

[Dan Pashman]

Thanks again, you guys. Really appreciate it. Take care. Thank you.

[Moshe Kasher]

Bye. Bye.

[Dan Pashman]

Bye. That's Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Their honeymoon standup special is on Netflix and their new podcast is the Endless Honeymoon. This show is produced by me along with senior producer Anne Sani and associate producer. Our engineer is Jared o'. Connell, Music help from Black Label Music. Our editor is Peter Clowney. The Sporkful is a production of Stitcher. Our executive producers are Daisy Rosario and Chris Bannett. Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman.

[Phoebe Robinson]

I'm Rachel from Scotch Plains, New Jersey, reminding you to eat more, eat better, and eat more.

[Dan Pashman]

This reheat was produced by Gianna Palmer. The team that produces the Sporkful today includes me, along with managing producer Emma Morgenstern and senior producer Andres o'.

[Moshe Kasher]

Hara.

[Dan Pashman]

Our engineer is Jared o'.

[Moshe Kasher]

Connell.

[Dan Pashman]

Music help from Black Label Music. The Sporkful is a production of SiriusXM podcasts. Our executive producer is Camille Stanley. And hey, did you know you can listen to the Sporkful and the Sirius XM app? Yes, the SiriusXM app. It has all your favorite podcasts, plus over 200 A.D. free music channels curated by genre and era, plus live sports coverage. Does your podcasting app have that? And there's interviews with a list, stars and so much more. It's everything you want in a podcast app and music app all rolled into one. Right now, Sporkful listeners can get three months free of the Sirius XM app by going to SiriusXM.com Sporkful until next time. I'm Dan Patch. Now at McDonald's. Wake up to a four dollar breakfast meal deal. Wake up to a sausage McMuffin or a sausage biscuit to hash browns and wake up to a hot coffee. Get your $4 breakfast meal deal. Limited time only.

[Moshe Kasher]

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[Moshe Kasher]

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